http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/k-c-irving-bermuda-house-for-sale-1.4066078
K.C. Irving's former house on the market in Bermuda
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David Raymond Amos
I have a funny story about me
being in Bermuda back in the eighties ( I have gone there every decade
to visit friends since the first time in 1970) Anyway I was wanting to
go around to ol KC's house and approach the front door with a particular
task in mind but my friends would not allow it just like CBC would
likely block the comment if I tried to tell what I was up to so why
waste my precious time typing it in here N'esy Pas?
Mike Bookman
Well, since 1972 the Irving's
Oligarchy owe Canadians and specifically NB'ers around 40Billlion in
taxes.Why don't you do a story on that?
David Raymond Amos
@Mike Bookman Its not in CBC's interest to write such things
john bourque
A company built on not paying it's fair share, and where has that gotten us.
Shawn McShane
@john bourque Government that raises taxes by hook or by crook.
David Raymond Amos
@Shawn McShane Sad but true
"Death Taxes" BS. If that
were the case estates would not survive. This was about not paying any
taxes as is still the case now. We struggle just to survive while they
wallow in wealth. I Loath everything they stand for. Every job they
supposedly create yields major dividends for them and take tax revenue
out of our economy. Our economy is constantly robbed of infrastructure
funding do to a lack of funding. Cause and effect. We suffer for their
benefit.
David Raymond Amos
@William Roberts "This was about not paying any taxes as is still the case now." TRUE
Cheap and dated, as befitting Irving philosophy
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David Raymond Amos
@Matthew Smith Nasty but oh so true
David Raymond Amos
@David Raymond Amos Do tell why does CBC block my comment just because I agree?
Errol Willis
Wonder if they are selling because the property taxes went up?
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David Raymond Amos
@Errol Willis BINGO
David Raymond Amos
@David Raymond Amos There CBC goes again and I wrote only one word in agreement this time
Shawn McShane
The kitchen in K.C. Irving's former home in Bermuda will need to be completely remodeled, says the real estate agent?
Its better than my kitchen (circa 1976) and my property tax assessment went up $30,000!
Its better than my kitchen (circa 1976) and my property tax assessment went up $30,000!
David Raymond Amos
@Shawn McShane I saw nothing
wrong with the house either. However I believe I heard on CBC this
morning the Real Estate saying it should be knocked down???
Sean Onuaillain
It is heart-warming to be
assured by K. C. Irving's son that moving to Bermuda had nothing to do
with saving money for the Irving family or his father's general loathing
of taxes but all about saving jobs for Atlantic Canadians. His family
too has carried on that tradition when negotiating tax deals like the
LNG plant. The family made $12.5M USD a year on rent and paid $500,000
CD in property taxes to save the 29 jobs at the plant. What a family.
David Raymond Amos
@Sean Onuaillain A Noble Clan Indeed
Lou Bell
Many of the jobs of the
people they claimed they saved were " created and eliminated" before the
people had the chance to retire at normal retirement age ! Fact !!
David Raymond Amos
@Lou Bell True
wayne guitard
Why does the CBC only allow
comments on lame duck stories like this, and not on controversial
stories involving drugs, immigrants, first nations, etc, ?
David Raymond Amos
@wayne guitard That is a fair question but I betcha the crickets will even ignore it though.
Stephen White
Very simply.. money talks,
and in the case of Irving, it speaks loudly. These folks ARE the Govt.
here in NB. They make up their own rules..
David Raymond Amos
@Stephen White What did you
say about rules? Sorry but I could not hear ya above the din of the
Irving Clan's cash registers, their chain saws and the loud mindless
rhetoric of this political employees
William Roberts
http://www.nationalobserver.com/2016/06/27/news/how-irvings-intimidate-their-critics
This is part 4 of an 8 part serious on the Irvings.
I thought I knew most of it but this opened my eyes like coming out of a very dark place into bright sunlight. We have no idea how much exploiting has been done to our province by one family.
This is part 4 of an 8 part serious on the Irvings.
I thought I knew most of it but this opened my eyes like coming out of a very dark place into bright sunlight. We have no idea how much exploiting has been done to our province by one family.
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David Raymond Amos
@William Roberts I talked to
Brucey Baby both before and after he wrote those articles. His newsrag
has a questionable agenda but what his Yankee boss published about the
Irving Clan is worth reading.
In defense of some of the Irving Clan I must be fair and point out the fact that they are not all bad.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-on-business/kenneth-irving/article33791019/
In defense of some of the Irving Clan I must be fair and point out the fact that they are not all bad.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-on-business/kenneth-irving/article33791019/
David Raymond Amos
@David Raymond Amos I must say I am shocked that CBC blocked that comment
William Roberts
@David Raymond Amos LOL they blocked it in one post and allowed it in another. What are we to think? Bias of some?
rayma allaby
while taking advantage of every tax break he could in this province......
David Raymond Amos
@rayma allaby You forgot everywhere else as well
Joe Allaire
If he had to pay 80% of his
worth in taxes upon his death as they claim; who can blame him? And
I'make no Irving supporter, quite the opposite!
William Roberts
@Joe Allaire If that were
really the case there would be NO owned companies in Canada. It is
complete and utter BS. 80% of your assets being taxed out upon the death
of it's owner???? KC had a major brawl with the feds and lost over
taxes not just estate taxes. This article is a joke.
David Raymond Amos
@William Roberts I agree
Willie Smith
Death taxes would have done
in the empire.... Man that is such crap..... I can't even call this a
half truth....as mainstream media usually feeds us....
James Reed
@Willie Smith
Anyone on here old enough to actually remember what was going on with “death taxes”, “succession duties” and the new federal Capital Gains taxes at that time – without getting into too much detail, the feds decided to get out of the death tax business, which they collected and shared with the provinces and instead collect tax on capital gains when transferred… the feds didn’t really want to do this but the prairie province started rebating estates for the provincial portion of the death tax. Long story short, the feds said they would still collect a uniform death tax if at least 4 provinces still wanted to, New Brunswick did, keep in mind the feds were still going to move ahead with the capital gains transfer tax implemented over a few years… “death taxes” in Atlantic Canada eventually fell apart by the mid 70s because although originally part of the deal PEI decided not to collect them, so the other provinces feared capital flows to the Island and gave up on the death tax as well… but for a company like what KC had built (from nothing to worth billions – the capital gains transfer tax would have been huge), being hit with the new federal capital gains taxes and the existing “death tax” would have possibly destroyed his empire – as it turns out that would not have happened because the tax system changed, but by that time he had already fled.
Anyone on here old enough to actually remember what was going on with “death taxes”, “succession duties” and the new federal Capital Gains taxes at that time – without getting into too much detail, the feds decided to get out of the death tax business, which they collected and shared with the provinces and instead collect tax on capital gains when transferred… the feds didn’t really want to do this but the prairie province started rebating estates for the provincial portion of the death tax. Long story short, the feds said they would still collect a uniform death tax if at least 4 provinces still wanted to, New Brunswick did, keep in mind the feds were still going to move ahead with the capital gains transfer tax implemented over a few years… “death taxes” in Atlantic Canada eventually fell apart by the mid 70s because although originally part of the deal PEI decided not to collect them, so the other provinces feared capital flows to the Island and gave up on the death tax as well… but for a company like what KC had built (from nothing to worth billions – the capital gains transfer tax would have been huge), being hit with the new federal capital gains taxes and the existing “death tax” would have possibly destroyed his empire – as it turns out that would not have happened because the tax system changed, but by that time he had already fled.
Anne Bérubé
@James Reed And our little
Teflon pet Justin now has decided to change this again, money for him,
nannies, trips and his famous family friend who invites him on his
private island, all funded by us the taxpayers. Yes people, capital
gains is coming back with a vengance. This is a lot worse than being
billionnnaire and wanting to protect assets and jobs....
Willie Smith
@James Reed
As I said Death taxes would not have folded the Irvings... Too big to fail... however with all the taxes that were hidden NB is a bankrupt province.... If you can't pay your taxes and you go belly up it wasn't much of a business now was it?? Add the Corporate Welfare in etc.....
As I said Death taxes would not have folded the Irvings... Too big to fail... however with all the taxes that were hidden NB is a bankrupt province.... If you can't pay your taxes and you go belly up it wasn't much of a business now was it?? Add the Corporate Welfare in etc.....
Shawn McShane
@James Reed I remember my
grandfather putting my dads name on his home and business in case he
died. I wonder why KC didn't just do the same thing for his own kids?
Was it a control thing?
David Raymond Amos
@Shawn McShane Of course
Buford Wilson
Taxes are far too high in Canada.
Even before justin decided to whack Canadians with the carbon tax.
Even before justin decided to whack Canadians with the carbon tax.
John Wilkins
@Buford Wilson So how much has your taxes gone up since the Carbon Tax HASN"T been passed into law YET.
David Raymond Amos
@John Wilkins You checked the price of my tobacco, hot dogs and beans lately? I make my fair share of carbon with them.
Joe Allaire
@David Raymond Amos, but not
Buffoon Wilson; his intervenions are usually one-liners, and always
respectful. You have to give the devil his dues.
Lou Bell
If you can't believe a billionaire, who can you trust ?? Ha !
David Raymond Amos
@Lou Bell Lots of folks still trust Trump for some strange reason I will never understand
Simeon Elliott
Why is this news? There's a bunch of houses for sale in my neighbourhood.
David Raymond Amos
@Simeon Elliott Yea but did beloved ol KC live in them?
Murray Brown
"The house, called "Skyline Cottage," is modest by Bermuda standards,..."
By the interior looks, etc. you could probably build it for $200,000 in NB. The new owner will likely demolish it and rebuild bigger and better.
By the interior looks, etc. you could probably build it for $200,000 in NB. The new owner will likely demolish it and rebuild bigger and better.
David Raymond Amos
@Murray Brown It is not
modest by Bermudian standards only billionaire standards. What it does
have that they want is location location location
pete prosser
Corporate Research
Associates also have an office there. You know guys with the polls that
shape New Brunswickers thinking. What a coincidence.
David Raymond Amos
@pete prosser They ain't got billions of bucks but they do love to count them.
Anne Bérubé
I wish my name was Irving, Ford, Chrysler, any of those, with the $$$ of course that goes with it.
David Raymond Amos
@Anne Bérubé What is said to be the root of all evil?
William Roberts
@Anne Bérubé It is said" You
have a better chance of fitting a camel through the eye of a needle then
having a rich man enter heaven".
They can have their gold. I have no respect for "their KIND"
They can have their gold. I have no respect for "their KIND"
Colin Seeley
"We've got other billionaires here who are Canadian."..........
like who? please do tell. why pick on Irving CBC?
like who? please do tell. why pick on Irving CBC?
David Raymond Amos
@Colin Seeley I don't know of
any other billionaires from New Brunswick and this article is about
what the liberals tax dudes call "The Place to Be" Hence old KC split.
K.C. Irving's former house on the market in Bermuda
Billionaire moved to country in 1971 to avoid proposed death taxes in New Brunswick
By Jacques Poitras, CBC News Posted: Apr 12, 2017 6:00 AM AT
It's a house that many New Brunswickers have heard of, imagined, and talked about, but have never seen — and now it's for sale.
K.C. Irving's former home in Bermuda, a property that was once a vital legal link to his offshore tax status, is on the market for $1.9 million.
The house, called "Skyline Cottage," is modest by Bermuda standards, with three bedrooms and two-and-a-half bathrooms. It sits on two-thirds of a hectare of land.
The real estate listing describes it as having "great bones" but in need of "some cosmetic updating."
Jim Turnbull, a former Saint John broadcast journalist who once called on K.C. Irving in Bermuda, confirmed the house is the one he visited near the Fairmont Southampton Princess Hotel.
Real estate agent Sally Ann Smith, who is trying to sell the
property, said it's "not high-end at all" in the Bermuda market and will
need some work.
"In its day, I'm sure it was a lovely house," she said, suggesting that the kitchen will need "a complete remodelling."
"You've got a lot of much bigger and more luxurious houses than this one. But it has quite a lot of potential to some people. The golf course is just across the road and it has the facilities of the hotel right next door to it."
Smith wasn't aware of the name K.C. Irving when she was contacted by CBC News.
"I've never heard of him," she said.
She added that the Irving name is not attached to the current owner of the house. "That is not the name, no."
Irving moved to Bermuda in 1971 to avoid death taxes, and his Bermuda residence was key to the structure of Irving's offshore trust after he died in 1991.
Irving's widow, Winnifred, continued to live in the house for years
after her husband's death. She was one of the three trustees of a
Bermuda-based trust established by his will, which required the trustees
to live outside Canada. Analysts said this was to avoid taxation.
The trust, which controlled several Bermuda-based Irving holding companies, was dissolved after Irving's three sons decided about a decade ago to divide up the family conglomerate.
It's not known if the house was owned by the trust or by an Irving family member. It's also not clear when Winnifred Irving moved out or whether it was sold to someone else before this sale. Smith said the current owner is Canadian.
J.D. Irving, Limited spokesperson Mary Keith did not respond to an email question about the house from CBC News. John Irving, a grandson of K.C. Irving, did not respond either.
"This would have been devastating to the businesses as they would have had to have been sold to pay the anticipated death duties and taxes," Irving wrote. The "collapse of a life's work of growing jobs and enterprises" was "not acceptable" to his father.
"He would move to Bermuda to ensure the survival of the companies and the related jobs," J.K. Irving wrote. "We would have much rather had him around." But the move allowed the Irving companies to remain in Atlantic Canada and "sustained thousands of jobs," he said.
JDI and its associated companies are now "owned and controlled by entities and citizens resident in Atlantic Canada," the letter added.
In his book Citizens Irving, author John DeMont said the billionaire lived in a small cottage first and then "razed" it to build a $2.5 million white stucco "mansion." But Smith said the original cottage is still there, attached to the larger house built later.
The house has been listed for six months.
"I think it's priced reasonably well at the moment," Smith said. "It was higher."
She explained she had dropped the price once already because
government regulations have designated it as no longer available for
sale to non-Bermudians, "which obviously devalues it a bit because you
haven't got that outside market," Smith said.
"It probably would have sold quicker had it been available," she said.
Smith recently had to tell a potential foreign buyer who stays at the nearby hotel every year that he couldn't buy the house as a retirement property.
She said she was unaware of the fascination that New Brunswickers have with the Irving name and the role of the house.
"You don't ask too many questions about previous owners and how they managed to get this property," she said.
"We've got other billionaires here who are Canadian."
K.C. Irving's former home in Bermuda, a property that was once a vital legal link to his offshore tax status, is on the market for $1.9 million.
The house, called "Skyline Cottage," is modest by Bermuda standards, with three bedrooms and two-and-a-half bathrooms. It sits on two-thirds of a hectare of land.
The kitchen in K.C. Irving's former home in
Bermuda will need to be completely remodelled, says the real estate
agent who has the property listed. (The Property Group)
Jim Turnbull, a former Saint John broadcast journalist who once called on K.C. Irving in Bermuda, confirmed the house is the one he visited near the Fairmont Southampton Princess Hotel.
'Not high-end at all'
K.C. Irving's former home in Bermuda is in need of 'some cosmetic updating,' says the real estate listing. (The Property Group)
"In its day, I'm sure it was a lovely house," she said, suggesting that the kitchen will need "a complete remodelling."
"You've got a lot of much bigger and more luxurious houses than this one. But it has quite a lot of potential to some people. The golf course is just across the road and it has the facilities of the hotel right next door to it."
'In its day, I'm sure it was a lovely house.' - Sally Ann Smith, Bermuda realtor
Smith wasn't aware of the name K.C. Irving when she was contacted by CBC News.
"I've never heard of him," she said.
She added that the Irving name is not attached to the current owner of the house. "That is not the name, no."
Avoiding death taxes
Irving moved to Bermuda in 1971 to avoid death taxes, and his Bermuda residence was key to the structure of Irving's offshore trust after he died in 1991.
K.C. Irving's former home in Bermuda is called Skyline Cottage. (The Property Group)
The trust, which controlled several Bermuda-based Irving holding companies, was dissolved after Irving's three sons decided about a decade ago to divide up the family conglomerate.
It's not known if the house was owned by the trust or by an Irving family member. It's also not clear when Winnifred Irving moved out or whether it was sold to someone else before this sale. Smith said the current owner is Canadian.
No Irving response
J.D. Irving, Limited spokesperson Mary Keith did not respond to an email question about the house from CBC News. John Irving, a grandson of K.C. Irving, did not respond either.
Irving moved to Bermuda in 1971 to avoid proposed death taxes and
duties that were expected to be as high as 80 per cent, his 89-year-old
son, J.K. Irving, wrote in a letter last year to Atlantic Business
Magazine.
"This would have been devastating to the businesses as they would have had to have been sold to pay the anticipated death duties and taxes," Irving wrote. The "collapse of a life's work of growing jobs and enterprises" was "not acceptable" to his father.
"He would move to Bermuda to ensure the survival of the companies and the related jobs," J.K. Irving wrote. "We would have much rather had him around." But the move allowed the Irving companies to remain in Atlantic Canada and "sustained thousands of jobs," he said.
JDI and its associated companies are now "owned and controlled by entities and citizens resident in Atlantic Canada," the letter added.
In his book Citizens Irving, author John DeMont said the billionaire lived in a small cottage first and then "razed" it to build a $2.5 million white stucco "mansion." But Smith said the original cottage is still there, attached to the larger house built later.
Price has dropped
The house has been listed for six months.
"I think it's priced reasonably well at the moment," Smith said. "It was higher."
The view is one of the features listed in the real estate listing for K.C. Irving's former home in Bermuda. (The Property Group)
"It probably would have sold quicker had it been available," she said.
Smith recently had to tell a potential foreign buyer who stays at the nearby hotel every year that he couldn't buy the house as a retirement property.
She said she was unaware of the fascination that New Brunswickers have with the Irving name and the role of the house.
"You don't ask too many questions about previous owners and how they managed to get this property," she said.
"We've got other billionaires here who are Canadian."
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http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/fredericton-nashwaak-irving-site-1.4050183
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Emilen Forest
If the land is contaminated
Irving should be held accountable. The Irving empire has been raping New
Brunswick land for decades and there is not one Liberal or Conservative
politician with the testicular fortitude to challenge them. Only with a
major change in government can we, as New Brunswickers move forward and
prosper.
Johnny Horton
@Emilen Forest
I think we all used the oil from those tanks. I think we are all responsible,
I think we all used the oil from those tanks. I think we are all responsible,
William Reed
@Johnny Horton
Do you refine much oil?
Do you refine much oil?
Johnny Horton
@William Reed
No, but like everyone else, I ise oil.
There's no question Irving holds repsonsibilty for the site as it is theirs, however it is not their sole responsibility. Society gave them permission though elected municipal government to have the site there.
We also all used the oil from that site knowing it was close to the water and that oil farms contaminated soil.
So we should knowingly be able to use a resource that is bad, and hold no ethical responsibility for the effects? Of course not. Sites like these are society as a whole problem. We created them with our wanton use of the product,
No, but like everyone else, I ise oil.
There's no question Irving holds repsonsibilty for the site as it is theirs, however it is not their sole responsibility. Society gave them permission though elected municipal government to have the site there.
We also all used the oil from that site knowing it was close to the water and that oil farms contaminated soil.
So we should knowingly be able to use a resource that is bad, and hold no ethical responsibility for the effects? Of course not. Sites like these are society as a whole problem. We created them with our wanton use of the product,
Willie Smith
@Johnny Horton
Geez are you ever out to lunch.. If you had a leak of oil on your premises you would be taking care of it very very fast and if not the misery would be upon you... However a complete free ride if it is someone special...
Geez are you ever out to lunch.. If you had a leak of oil on your premises you would be taking care of it very very fast and if not the misery would be upon you... However a complete free ride if it is someone special...
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David Raymond Amos
@Emilen Forest I recall quite
clearly the stories about that location that Terry Curtis told me just
before Christmas in 2005. I sent hours talking to him about cops and
politcs etc after he had signed my nomination papers to run against his
former buddy Any Scott in the election of the 39th Parliament. That dude
was far from dumb and not exactly as crazy as the RCMP and the liberals
claimed.
Over 11 years later both dudes who went to High School with me in Fat Fred City but were slightly younger than I are dead now and the Irving Clan many of whom are far older than I still live on and have yet to clean up any of their messes throughout the place the liberal once claimed was "The Place To Be".
With regards to the property discussed by CBC today I have no doubt whatsoever that eventually the Irving Clan will make out like the bandits they are and in the end it will at the taxpayers expense so that the politicians and the wealthy bureaucrats etc can leave their offices and play with their fancy boats in downtown Fat Fred City. Of that I have no doubt.
Over 11 years later both dudes who went to High School with me in Fat Fred City but were slightly younger than I are dead now and the Irving Clan many of whom are far older than I still live on and have yet to clean up any of their messes throughout the place the liberal once claimed was "The Place To Be".
With regards to the property discussed by CBC today I have no doubt whatsoever that eventually the Irving Clan will make out like the bandits they are and in the end it will at the taxpayers expense so that the politicians and the wealthy bureaucrats etc can leave their offices and play with their fancy boats in downtown Fat Fred City. Of that I have no doubt.
David Raymond Amos
@Johnny Horton The real Johnny Horton must be rolling in his grave
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David Raymond Amos
@David Raymond Amos CBC
moderators can support their malicious Trolls with fictitious names and
block my comments all they wish but trust that the comments I do make
will be in the email I send your bosses and published in my blog about
this article.
Johnny Horton
@David Raymond Amos
Yes I realize personal responsibility is a bad word in today's world.
Where we feel entitled to everything, and it's someone else's job to make it all safe,
Yes I realize personal responsibility is a bad word in today's world.
Where we feel entitled to everything, and it's someone else's job to make it all safe,
David Raymond Amos
@Johnny Horton "Personal
Responsibility" begins with a real name to back up what you say about
other people particularly within a website controlled and moderated by
the Crown and paid for my taxpayers who have real names.
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David Raymond Amos
@David Raymond Amos I met to type by instead of my but CBC will block me anyway EH?
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David Raymond Amos
@David Raymond Amos I must
say that its kinda strange that CBC blocked that comment with mere
minutes but is still thinking about the one I tried to correct N'esy Pas
Jacques Poitras, Darrow MacIntyre, Minister Joly, Alex Johnston and
Hubby Baby Lacroix?
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David Raymond Amos
@Johnny Horton If you nasty
little Trolls truly wish to read all that I am posting then as you no
doubt know you have to look elsewhere N'esy Pas?
http://davidraymondamos3.blogspot.ca/2017/04/wow-was-cbc-ever-quick-to-show-its-fat.html
http://davidraymondamos3.blogspot.ca/2017/04/wow-was-cbc-ever-quick-to-show-its-fat.html
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David Raymond Amos
@David Raymond Amos Perhaps I
should tell a funny story about CBC pitching a fit after filling up
their fine fancy land cruiser or whatever at my old gas station in
Sussex NB about 35 years ago. It would be rather fun to watch you snobby
dudes block that one N'esy Pas Hubby Baby Lacroix?
Johnny Horton
@David Raymond Amos
I'm well aware what the rules are,
So perhaps instead of attempting to deflect, you address the issue of personal consumer responsibility instead of corporate or government doing the job for you?
I'm well aware what the rules are,
So perhaps instead of attempting to deflect, you address the issue of personal consumer responsibility instead of corporate or government doing the job for you?
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David Raymond Amos
@Johnny Horton If YOU know
what the rules then why don't you obey them? Trust that I understand the
rules and what the government is capable of doing on behalf of their
wealthy buddies. Why else would I be suing the Queen after running for
public office FIVE times. Once in Fat Fred City remember?
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David Raymond Amos
@Johnny Horton FYI I have been responding to you
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David Raymond Amos
@Johnny Horton Here is a little Deja Vu for you and CBC's malicious moderators
This me running for a seat in Parliament again while CBC denied it again for the fifth time
Fundy Royal, New Brunswick Debate – Federal Elections 2015 - The Local Campaign, Rogers TV
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-cFOKT6TlSE
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/fundy-royal-riding-profile-1.3274276
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http://www.texasescapes.com/ClayCoppedge/The-Eerie-Demise-of-Johnny-Horton.htm
The Eerie Demise of Johnny Horton
by Clay Coppedge
Despite Johnny Horton's wild-at-heart looks and voice, he was a man haunted for years by ominous premonitions of his own death. He often promised those close to him he would contact them from beyond the grave.
Like the psychic he claimed to be, Horton came eerily close to predicting the manner of his death. He believed he would be killed by a drunk. He died on Nov. 5, 1960, in an automobile accident at the Little River bridge on Highway 79.
James Evan Davis was driving a pick-up truck that smashed head-on into Horton's car. Horton was alive when ambulances arrived on the scene but died en route to hospital.
Davis, the driver of the truck, was charged with intoxication manslaughter; he was drunk at the time of the accident.
On New Year's Day 1952, when Horton was trying to get his career started, he learned from a radio account that Hank Williams had died of a heart attack in the backseat of his Cadillac after playing a New Year's Eve gig at the Skyline Club in Austin. Later that same year, in 1953, Horton married Williams's widow, Billie Jean.
Horton went on to become one of the era's most successful recording artists with hits on both the country and pop charts. He made his name as a honky tonk singer with strong rockabilly tendencies but made his biggest impact on the charts with his 1959 recording of Arkansas history teacher Jimmy Driftwood's 'Battle of New Orleans.' The song went number one on both the pop and country charts and reached number 16 on the British charts despite the BBC banning the song because of the lyrics 'the bloody British.'
This me running for a seat in Parliament again while CBC denied it again for the fifth time
Fundy Royal, New Brunswick Debate – Federal Elections 2015 - The Local Campaign, Rogers TV
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-cFOKT6TlSE
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/fundy-royal-riding-profile-1.3274276
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David Raymond Amos
@David Raymond Amos Methinks I know who is playing games flagging me.
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David Raymond Amos
@David Raymond Amos Need I name the Troll? Or just holler BINGO?
http://www.texasescapes.com/ClayCoppedge/The-Eerie-Demise-of-Johnny-Horton.htm
The Eerie Demise of Johnny Horton
by Clay Coppedge
Despite Johnny Horton's wild-at-heart looks and voice, he was a man haunted for years by ominous premonitions of his own death. He often promised those close to him he would contact them from beyond the grave.
Like the psychic he claimed to be, Horton came eerily close to predicting the manner of his death. He believed he would be killed by a drunk. He died on Nov. 5, 1960, in an automobile accident at the Little River bridge on Highway 79.
James Evan Davis was driving a pick-up truck that smashed head-on into Horton's car. Horton was alive when ambulances arrived on the scene but died en route to hospital.
Davis, the driver of the truck, was charged with intoxication manslaughter; he was drunk at the time of the accident.
On New Year's Day 1952, when Horton was trying to get his career started, he learned from a radio account that Hank Williams had died of a heart attack in the backseat of his Cadillac after playing a New Year's Eve gig at the Skyline Club in Austin. Later that same year, in 1953, Horton married Williams's widow, Billie Jean.
Horton went on to become one of the era's most successful recording artists with hits on both the country and pop charts. He made his name as a honky tonk singer with strong rockabilly tendencies but made his biggest impact on the charts with his 1959 recording of Arkansas history teacher Jimmy Driftwood's 'Battle of New Orleans.' The song went number one on both the pop and country charts and reached number 16 on the British charts despite the BBC banning the song because of the lyrics 'the bloody British.'
David Raymond Amos
@Johnny Horton I must say it
is rather interesting that you can attack me but when I respond I am
blocked. Other folks must have noticed by now.
William Roberts
The Irvings should be forced
to take responsibility for the clean up. The are real good at polluting
but not in the room for the clean up if at all possible. Fine them
heavily for every second it is not done. The the expropriation can
begin.
Another government body showing it's fear or special consideration for the Empire.
Another government body showing it's fear or special consideration for the Empire.
David Raymond Amos
@William Roberts FY 30 years ago I used to own a gas station on the Four Corners in Sussex NB which had a gas station on each corner. My old bike shop and land is now surrounded by Irving properties. Anyway I have been told that for years the NB Government has been trying to blame my old property for soil contamination in order to get rid of the Irving's last competitor in the the area. However I know for a fact that there was NEVER any loss of gas on my property because I used to dip my tanks everyday to take readings because is liquid gold don't ya know. I quit pumping gas because because I could not be bothered with that crooked business and just collected the rent from the ESSO key lock pump installed on my property. However the Texaco across the the corner from me I believe was a bulk plant at one time and now Irvings own that turf too. Go Figure.
Willie Smith
@William Roberts FY 30 years ago I used to own a gas station on the Four Corners in Sussex NB which had a gas station on each corner. My old bike shop and land is now surrounded by Irving properties. Anyway I have been told that for years the NB Government has been trying to blame my old property for soil contamination in order to get rid of the Irving's last competitor in the the area. However I know for a fact that there was NEVER any loss of gas on my property because I used to dip my tanks everyday to take readings because is liquid gold don't ya know. I quit pumping gas because because I could not be bothered with that crooked business and just collected the rent from the ESSO key lock pump installed on my property. However the Texaco across the the corner from me I believe was a bulk plant at one time and now Irvings own that turf too. Go Figure.
Johnny Horton
@David Raymond Amos
And of course not s single customer of yours ever dribbled gas on the ground causing contamination. Not s one, they were all so perfect.
Plus it sounds to me you see just jealous that you didn't sell to the risings like the other smart people they did on thet corner.
And of course not s single customer of yours ever dribbled gas on the ground causing contamination. Not s one, they were all so perfect.
Plus it sounds to me you see just jealous that you didn't sell to the risings like the other smart people they did on thet corner.
David Raymond Amos
@Johnny Horton Wrong
Clearly you do not know who my Father was or who I am either. .
FYI I could have sold the property to the Irving Clan for twice the amount and refused to. In fact I actually talked my friends into buying the gas station. Years later after I ran for a seat in the 39th Parliament. I tried to tell my friends to sell the property back to me and I would assume responsibility take on the government myself.
Clearly you do not know who my Father was or who I am either. .
FYI I could have sold the property to the Irving Clan for twice the amount and refused to. In fact I actually talked my friends into buying the gas station. Years later after I ran for a seat in the 39th Parliament. I tried to tell my friends to sell the property back to me and I would assume responsibility take on the government myself.
Willie Smith
If I had a tank leaking oil in my basement old he!! would break loose.. Everyone wold be there to pass out their misery...
David Raymond Amos
@Willie Smith Truer words were never spoken
Matthew Smith
Perhaps expropriate, just as
the Irvings had the power to do until Robichaud!; unfortunately that
would assume the responsibility of cleaning up the toxic mess...
Murray Brown
@Matthew Smith Before they do
expropriate, they should ensure that the Irving`s do what every other
oil company is required to do throughout this land, except for in the
province of New Brunswick.... Clean up your mess at your expense... Not
ours.
Matthew Smith
@Murray Brown Precisely! Only
that would take leadership, something that been largely missing in New
Brunswick since before confederation
David Raymond Amos
@Matthew Smith YUP Hell we don't even have a constitution for this province yet.
Miles Long
Did anyone ever do studies
and clean-up when the Fredericton train station and lands were developed
(seems to me it is in the well field protection area). Likewise what
was done on the new Picaroons site which was part of the railyards for
the NB Railroad Co.? As for the oil tank farm it probably is railroad
property that the Irvings acquired after WW2 and just as with the train
station things may be complicated. The tank farm land was probably
contaminated by the railway and the Gibson tannery that was there at one
time no wonder that nothing seems to grow there. (I notice on some
drawings that there is pipe from the site going out 20 or 30 metres into
the river. Not sure what its purpose or history is or even if its still
there). The fort was further back from this site but this site likely
would have had use by our indigenous population.
David Raymond Amos
@Miles Long Cleanup is the responsibility of current owner.
Jon Winters
There will need to be
considerations as a National Historic Site, the likely presence of a
significant Indigenous site and the 17th century fort.
David Raymond Amos
@Jon Winters That an idea
lets get Trudeau "The Younger" to come on down to do a few selfies and
write some more cheques to his pals on our dime.
wayne guitard
Possibly contaminated ? Guess who will get to pay for the clean up ? Certainly not the Empire, as long as Gallant is premier.
David Raymond Amos
@wayne guitard It would be the same under Higgs never forget who he used to work for.
Keith Jagger
Travis McIntyre
Keith Jagger
Someone should tell the City that there is already a boat launching site, about 200 metres up stream from that site.
David Raymond Amos
@Keith Jagger There are too
many wealthy impatient bureaucrats camped in Fat Fred City so they need
another one to help them enjoy their toys
Keith Jagger
@David Raymond Amos - And
Urban Planning 101 tells future planners to "make no small plans" - and
politicians just love spending other peoples' money while patting
themselves on the back and sipping their champagne.
Travis McIntyre
Irving doesn't have to clean up contaminated land.? Beside a waterway? Say what? Yes they really are great citizens.
Miles Long
@Travis McIntyre The
city/province should monitor around the perimeter of the property to
identify what is leaching off the property and into the river.
William Reed
@Travis McIntyre
The citizens of Rich-istan don't live by the same rules as citizens of NB. In that culture the heroes of lore are the ones who steal from the poor and give to the rich.
The citizens of Rich-istan don't live by the same rules as citizens of NB. In that culture the heroes of lore are the ones who steal from the poor and give to the rich.
William Roberts
@Travis McIntyre If your oil
tank sprung a leak they would on you like white on rice in a heart beat.
Irving has been polluting with total impunity for decades. The
contaminate land,water and air with no regard for man nor beast and with
no recourse. The excuse once was simple "JOBS". There are no jobs worth
those risks. Our kids pay the price in so many ways.
Johnny Horton
@William Roberts
Then stop using Irving products.
But I bet you aren't willing to make that lifestyle sacrifice, just want to complain instead,
The buck ALWAYS stops st the consumer. They are the ultimate one responsible for all products,
Then stop using Irving products.
But I bet you aren't willing to make that lifestyle sacrifice, just want to complain instead,
The buck ALWAYS stops st the consumer. They are the ultimate one responsible for all products,
William Roberts
@Johnny Horton I put less
then 3K on my car each year and would walk a thousand miles over broken
glass bare foot before pumping from an Irving gas pump. I make great
effort to avoid anything Irving. I stopped using Crosby molasses when
Irving bought in. No one does more.
Johnny Horton
@William Roberts
Sounds like while you don't support Irving you have no problem still using the resource of oil. It's just as contaminate doing from non Irving tanks us know,
Sounds like while you don't support Irving you have no problem still using the resource of oil. It's just as contaminate doing from non Irving tanks us know,
David Raymond Amos
@William Roberts I commend you sir. However sometimes I must buy fuel from the Irvings but it grates on my soul to do so.
David Raymond Amos
@William Roberts I commend you sir. However sometimes I must buy fuel from the Irvings but it grates on my soul to do so.
Jim Johnston
@David Raymond Amos
Unfortunately if you buy fuel in the Maritimes it is likely coming out
of the SJ refinery. Sucks but that is reality - at a minimum though
don't buy from an Irving retail outlet.
Clarence Slydell
@Johnny Horton
Which Irving company do you work for Johnny boy?
Which Irving company do you work for Johnny boy?
Colin Seeley
Meanwhile "SHEDIAC BAY" remains infested with E.Coli .
Let's get that cleaned up first.
Let's get that cleaned up first.
David Raymond Amos
@Colin Seeley What makes Shediac bay so special? Would you dare swim in the Saint John River by the Marina in Grand Bay?
Colin Seeley
@David Raymond Amos
The Walkerton E. coli outbreak (also known as the Walkerton tragedy) occurred in May 2000 when Escherichia coli O157:H7 (a dangerous strain of pathogenic Escherichia coli bacteria) contaminated the water supply of the small community of Walkerton, Ontario, Canada.
As a result, seven people died and thousands were sickened.
The Walkerton E. coli outbreak (also known as the Walkerton tragedy) occurred in May 2000 when Escherichia coli O157:H7 (a dangerous strain of pathogenic Escherichia coli bacteria) contaminated the water supply of the small community of Walkerton, Ontario, Canada.
As a result, seven people died and thousands were sickened.
Jim Johnston
@David Raymond Amos Grand
Bay - about 20 years ago put my boat into the SJ River at the boat
launch just up river from this site and my son, at the time 4, and I
went up the Nashwaak. It was an incredible trip - the river bottom was
literally wall to wall with tires and there were a few old car bodies
as well as a tonne of other human debris. The thing that got me the
most though was the floating, hairy green "nuggets". My son saw one
and was reaching for it, asking what it was! I have never put my boat
into the SJ River since. It is a disgusting river, top to bottom, and
continues to be abused.
David Raymond Amos
Say Hey to Premier Gallant,
your Crown Corp buddies the RCMP, Chucky Crybaby Leblanc, his old pal
Mayor Mean Mikey O'Brien, the Fat Fred City Finest, their lawyer Leanne
Murray, David Coon, his boss Dizzy Lizzy May, your boss Hubby Baby
Lacroix and his boss the former wannabe Montreal Mayor Minister Joly for
me will ya?
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Fredericton takes another look at former Irving tank farm site on river
Vacant for years and possibly contaminated, the privately owned land now holds appeal as potential boat launch
By Lauren Bird, CBC News Posted: Apr 02, 2017 9:00 AM AT
Plans to revamp Carleton Park on Fredericton's north side include the
possibility of a boat launch on the site of the former Irving Oil bulk
tank farm.
The land along the St. John River, between the Bill Thorpe Walking Bridge and the mouth of the Nashwaak River, has been vacant since the tanks were taken out in 2003.
A year after they were taken out, the city wanted to buy the land from Irving Oil.
With federal funding, it planned to build a Fort Nashwaak tourist
attraction on the property, which is believed to be the site of a
historic fort, built in the late 1600s.
But that didn't happen.
The city was prepared to pay Irving $500,000, along with a $250,000 tax receipt for the land. But according to news stories at the time, the deal was changed as negotiations neared an end.
A news release from the city at the time said Irving asked for $1.1 million in cash and wanted the city to take on the future environmental responsibility for the land.
Then-mayor Brad Woodside said that's when the deal fell through.
"They really should have just said, 'Look, we're going to get this
property cleaned up and we're going to make a donation of the property,
like they have done in many other places," Woodside told CBC's Information Morning Fredericton at the time.
"Because ... there's not going to be a whole lot of people lining up to buy that piece of polluted property. I mean, it's an environmental disaster."
CBC asked the Department of Environment and Local Government recently to speak to the environment status of the land, but no one was made available.
Communications officer Marc André Chaisson wrote in an email: "Unfortunately we will not be able to provide an interview for this request and the sites that you have requested information on are owned by private individuals and companies and it is protected under the Privacy Act. You would need to contact them directly to get any more information about those lands."
CBC News did a story about 10 years ago when soil was taken away from the site.
Last week, the broadcaster again approached Irving Oil to ask if the land is contaminated, and if so, to what extent. There was no response.
All the negotiations for the deal in 2004 between the city and Irving Oil were done in closed session and aren't on public record.
Jim Scott of Trace Planning and Design, the firm that designed the Carleton Park master plan, said he hasn't seen any environmental impact assessments, or any other documents that might say what contamination is on the site, but he did speak with the Department of Environment and Local Government about the land's viability.
"We know a little bit about the site," he said. "Obviously with the
tank farm, that comes with your usual standard set of issues around that
and soil contamination. It's very preliminary but the idea we talked to
them about is if it did work here, can we look at the notion of capping
the site and developing above that without doing anything below the
site? And they said, well, it's worth seeing if it's possible."
According to Dr. Kripa Singh, a civil and chemical engineering professor at the University of New Brunswick who specializes in environmental engineering and waste treatment biotechnology, depending on what the contaminants are in soil, if they're biological in some degree they might break down naturally over a long period of time.
"There are many factors," Singh said. "If it is a long period of time, naturally some of these things will be degraded ... but again, it is also possible that some of these things might not degrade so quickly. Sometimes people intervene and they try to take out the soil and treat that soil. But again, it depends how long you leave that land without any use."
"It is difficult to say how long because that depends on what was the level of contaminants there," he said.
Singh also said that contaminants could seep into the river through soil that is contaminated. If there's a heavy rain, the run off water can carry those contaminants into the waterways.
The land has been vacant and unused since the 2004 deal fell through.
Former city councillor Marilyn Kerton said there were several
complaints from people who live in her ward that the property is
unsightly.
"Many, many times it was an issue in the ward. People have always talked about what an eyesore on the St. John River and how that should be cleaned up."
Kerton said she pushed several times as a councillor to have something done with the land.
"Even if that just had grass and a couple of benches on it that would be an improvement, but unfortunately that just didn't ever happen," she said.
The city is also considering the possibility of leasing the land.
"It is a really nice piece of land, if you can set the environmental
aside for a second," Scott said. "It is a wonderful piece of land and a
great location. We'd hate to take away any long-term opportunities from
the Irvings on that piece of land.
"So we looked at the idea if the boat facility did work there, we would really keep it quite minimal and make it such that if the Irvings did have a great opportunity in the future we could get out of the way."
Leasing the land also would keep the city off the hook if an environmental cleanup is needed.
"Whatever you do there, you just don't want to get into the ground because the cost of remediation of the site becomes virtually impossible," Scott said.
"I haven't seen reports on just exactly what the contamination is,
but at minimum there's probably some petrochemical issues, which you
know is a big deal to fix. So if we go on the site and stay on top of
everything, then it becomes more probable than if we're digging into
something that would require in-ground structures."
Scott said his firm reached out to the Irving family about the idea, though the city said it hasn't engaged in any talks about the land with the Irvings.
And though this could be the plan that adds another chapter to the land's long story, any action is still a long way off, said Mayor Mike O'Brien.
"It's a visionary document," he said. "I'd love to see it roll out, but there's been no discussions with the property owner," said O'Brien. "It resonated with the public and the boating community and the fishing community. They'd love to have a spot there."
The land along the St. John River, between the Bill Thorpe Walking Bridge and the mouth of the Nashwaak River, has been vacant since the tanks were taken out in 2003.
A year after they were taken out, the city wanted to buy the land from Irving Oil.
The Irving Oil bulk farm tanks in Fredericton were removed in 2003. (CBC)
But that didn't happen.
The city was prepared to pay Irving $500,000, along with a $250,000 tax receipt for the land. But according to news stories at the time, the deal was changed as negotiations neared an end.
A news release from the city at the time said Irving asked for $1.1 million in cash and wanted the city to take on the future environmental responsibility for the land.
2004 deal fell through
Then-mayor Brad Woodside said that's when the deal fell through.
Brad Woodside said after the city's
negotiations with the Irvings about the tank farm site fell apart in
2004 that there wasn't going to be a lot of people lining up to buy the
site. (CBC)
"Because ... there's not going to be a whole lot of people lining up to buy that piece of polluted property. I mean, it's an environmental disaster."
CBC asked the Department of Environment and Local Government recently to speak to the environment status of the land, but no one was made available.
Communications officer Marc André Chaisson wrote in an email: "Unfortunately we will not be able to provide an interview for this request and the sites that you have requested information on are owned by private individuals and companies and it is protected under the Privacy Act. You would need to contact them directly to get any more information about those lands."
CBC News did a story about 10 years ago when soil was taken away from the site.
Last week, the broadcaster again approached Irving Oil to ask if the land is contaminated, and if so, to what extent. There was no response.
All the negotiations for the deal in 2004 between the city and Irving Oil were done in closed session and aren't on public record.
'We know a little bit'
Jim Scott of Trace Planning and Design, the firm that designed the Carleton Park master plan, said he hasn't seen any environmental impact assessments, or any other documents that might say what contamination is on the site, but he did speak with the Department of Environment and Local Government about the land's viability.
The master plan for Carleton Park
commissioned by the city of Fredericton envisions a boat launch on the
site of the former Irving Oil tank farm site.
According to Dr. Kripa Singh, a civil and chemical engineering professor at the University of New Brunswick who specializes in environmental engineering and waste treatment biotechnology, depending on what the contaminants are in soil, if they're biological in some degree they might break down naturally over a long period of time.
"There are many factors," Singh said. "If it is a long period of time, naturally some of these things will be degraded ... but again, it is also possible that some of these things might not degrade so quickly. Sometimes people intervene and they try to take out the soil and treat that soil. But again, it depends how long you leave that land without any use."
"It is difficult to say how long because that depends on what was the level of contaminants there," he said.
Singh also said that contaminants could seep into the river through soil that is contaminated. If there's a heavy rain, the run off water can carry those contaminants into the waterways.
Vacant since 2004
The land has been vacant and unused since the 2004 deal fell through.
Former Fredericton city councillor Marilyn
Kerton said there were several complaints from people in her ward over
the years that the tank farm site was an eyesore. (CBC)
"Many, many times it was an issue in the ward. People have always talked about what an eyesore on the St. John River and how that should be cleaned up."
Kerton said she pushed several times as a councillor to have something done with the land.
"Even if that just had grass and a couple of benches on it that would be an improvement, but unfortunately that just didn't ever happen," she said.
Lease considered
The city is also considering the possibility of leasing the land.
The land envisioned as a boat launch in
Fredericton is located between the Bill Thorpe Walking Bridge and the
mouth of the Nashwaak River. (CBC)
"So we looked at the idea if the boat facility did work there, we would really keep it quite minimal and make it such that if the Irvings did have a great opportunity in the future we could get out of the way."
Leasing the land also would keep the city off the hook if an environmental cleanup is needed.
"Whatever you do there, you just don't want to get into the ground because the cost of remediation of the site becomes virtually impossible," Scott said.
The former site of the Irving Oil tank farm in Fredericton has been vacant since the tanks were removed in 2003. (CBC)
Scott said his firm reached out to the Irving family about the idea, though the city said it hasn't engaged in any talks about the land with the Irvings.
And though this could be the plan that adds another chapter to the land's long story, any action is still a long way off, said Mayor Mike O'Brien.
"It's a visionary document," he said. "I'd love to see it roll out, but there's been no discussions with the property owner," said O'Brien. "It resonated with the public and the boating community and the fishing community. They'd love to have a spot there."
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