Tuesday, 6 June 2017

Conservative Party stands by leadership??? YEA RIGHT

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/conservative-leadership-oleary-campaign-debt-1.4150293

Kevin O'Leary's pitch to pay back leadership race debt rejected


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David Raymond Amos 
David Raymond Amos
OH MY MY I Love this particularly with Elections Canada attacking me recently. My first question is why won't CBC tell us who the lawyers speaking for O'Leary are?


James Rockford - ( Spaceman )
James Rockford - ( Spaceman )
@David Raymond Amos

And why does it matter ?

David Raymond Amos
David Raymond Amos
@James Rockford - ( Spaceman ) I am taking Election Canada to court


Sinclair Valentine 
Sinclair Valentine
Unfiscal Conservatives

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David Raymond Amos
David Raymond Amos
@Sinclair Valentine True but how should we label the Fake Left?


Michael Murphy
Michael Murphy
@David Raymond Amos "True but how should we label the Fake Left?"

Most progressives call them neo-liberals


Jim Graham 
Jim Graham
As usual, and consistent with his appreciation for Canada, O'Leary fails to understand how we do things in Canada.

Ignorance is bliss to these American interlopers like O'Leary and Trump ... fortunately, in Canada, we don't care for his kind of politics; regrettably in the States, they erred in their collective judgment and now are stuck with a White House nightmare.


James Tellmore Stanton 
James Tellmore Stanton
This clown spent hundreds of thousands his campaign didn't have, knowing he wouldn'tbe able to personally repay it, and feigns concern for small vendors - he put them in that situation! Fiscally responsible? What a joke!


David Allan
David Allan
@Kat Burd

The cons were right to do so.

The cons shot themselves in the foot when they let O'Leary to run.

David Raymond Amos
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David Raymond Amos
@David Allan I disagree. O'Leary was my favourite Clown in that Conservative Circus I wish the Yankee had stuck it out until the bitter end


 David Raymond Amos
@David Raymond Amos 
Interesting that CBC's moderators  would block that comment N'esy Pas Hubby Lacroix and Minister Joly?



mo bennett
mo bennett
@David Raymond Amos better go out and buy a lottery ticket, jimmie and davey finally get 1 right.
 

David Allan
Angela Kung
The little guys will probably get stiffed. And good luck with suing the American resident. What a mess this guy left behind.


David Raymond Amos
David Raymond Amos
@Angela Kung In a nutshell they should have known better


Mike Poska 
Mike Poska
Did they think that the debt they ran up during the campaign was going to magically disappear if they became leader?
Fiscally irresponsible.


Michael Murphy
Michael Murphy
@Mike Poska "Did they think that the debt they ran up during the campaign was going to magically disappear if they became leader? "

Well they magically think the federal debt they created, 2/3 of the total, will magically disappear as I have never heard a Conservative run on paying it off

David Raymond Amos
David Raymond Amos
@Michael Murphy Doesn't your hero Dion still owe money from many moons ago?

Bob Loblaw 
Bob Loblaw
Ironic that all the top Conservative candidates can't even balance the books of their own campaigns and leave the vendors holding the bag for their failure....sad.

Michael Murphy
Michael Murphy
@Troy Mann "Total debt added by last two cons is well over the 500 Billion mark not 160 Billion."

Vote Scheer to pay off the debt! Wait, that's not in the Conservative party platform? Ever? Odd since that's all they ever complain about when a Liberal is in power

David Raymond Amos
David Raymond Amos
@Michael Murphy I remember your Liberal heroes stealing our CPP and UI premiums etc to make themselves look good.

  
Michael Murphy
Michael Murphy
@Pat Smith (JuJubes) "No government has ever paid off the debt. Nor will they ever."

No but the Chretien/Martin government paid off $100b, roughly 25% but right wingers were complaining about being overtaxed instead of being happy that a fiscal responsible government way paying it off


David Raymond Amos
David Raymond Amos
@Michael Murphy Perhaps you should review what I said to you?
 

Dan Cooper
Dan Cooper
@David Raymond Amos

"I remember your Liberal heroes stealing our CPP and UI premiums etc to make themselves look good."

As did your conservative heroes and they still couldn't balance a budget (until they needed to look good for an election)

Heck the Harper Conservatives raised EI rates, reduced the eligibility for claims and pumped the extra money raised into general revenue. While at the same time buying ad time with our money to tell us how they were lowering our taxes LOL

Why do you hate it when liberals act like conservatives and vice versa?

David Raymond Amos
David Raymond Amos
@Dan Cooper "As did your conservative heroes" Now that truly funny.

Perhaps you should do your homework before insulting someone. FYI I ran against the Liberals, the Conservatives the NDP and the Greens etc FIVE times thus far.

BTW I also sued the Crown while running in the election of the 42nd Parliament and that litigation is ongoing to this very day.

Ask yourself why the liberals are defending Harper's actions against me and even deleted my SIN and now won't give me my Old Age Pension.


Michael Murphy
Michael Murphy
@David Raymond Amos "Perhaps you should review what I said to you?"

Oh I read it, I saw you forgot to mention Harper took $57b from EI, even more than the Liberals $54b

Both were wrong


David Raymond Amos
David Raymond Amos
@Michael Murphy Are you the same Michael Murphy who was the liberal lawyer I talked to personally before I ran in the election of the 39th Parliament then sent me and the RCMP a rather important letter a year or so later when he became the Minister of Health for NB the very same people who have been denying me the right to Health Care?


Patrick Russell
Patrick Russell
@David Raymond Amos

Your comment"@Michael Murphy I remember your Liberal heroes stealing our CPP and UI premiums etc to make themselves look good."

Harper did the same... he also sold government of Canada GM funds to ballance the books, cut every service in sight, and went far into the red, after criticizing Chretien and Paul Martin on their surpluses.


David Raymond Amos
David Raymond Amos
@Patrick Russell I repeat why do you think I ran against ALL the political parties 5 times and am suing the Crown right now?

Query the docket of Federal Court for File Number T-1557-15 to see for yourself if don't believe me.


Michael Murphy
Michael Murphy
@David Raymond Amos "Are you the same Michael Murphy who was the liberal lawyer I talked to personally before I ran in the election of the 39th Parliament then sent me and the RCMP a rather important letter a year or so later when he became the Minister of Health for NB the very same people who have been denying me the right to Health Care?"

LOL yeah sure, and now I post on CBC during court hours

David Raymond Amos
David Raymond Amos
@Michael Murphy The Moncton lawyer I know definitely Tweets a lot during court hours Even though he thinks he blocked me long ago I can read his political nonsense anytime I wish.

For instance here is his latest tweet within the hour to a CBC political reporter. See for yourself

https://mobile.twitter.com/monctonlawyer?lang=en

Michael B Murphy QC
@monctonlawyer 1h
Replying to @poitrasCBC
It was a joint session Except our joints are almost legal


Michael Murphy
Michael Murphy
@Pat Smith (JuJubes) "By stealing billions from EI and the federal public service pension fund."

I already addressed this point.

Another person failing to mention Harper took $57b, more than Chretien

And like I already said, both were wrong

Michael Murphy
Michael Murphy
@David Raymond Amos "For instance here is his latest tweet within the hour to a CBC political reporter. ."

Neat, but I have never voted Liberal (let alone be one), they are simply Conservatives with a better sales team

David Raymond Amos
David Raymond Amos
@Michael Murphy Your words earlier within this thread
"LOL yeah sure, and now I post on CBC during court hours"

Should I inform you that I never believe the word of a lawyer or anyone whom I suspect is one?

John Oaktree
John Oaktree
@David Raymond Amos

No one has ever taken money from CPP.

You're right - Chretien "stole" from EI and transferred the money to general revenues.

But so did Harper. Harper actually "stole" about $7 billion more from EI than the Liberals.

Harper also won a case at the SCC to ensure that all future governments can "steal" the EI surplus and transfer it to general revenues...


David Raymond Amos
David Raymond Amos
@John Oaktree Nobody wants to talk about CPP tis all

Government broke law on EI financing in 3 years: top court

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/government-broke-law-on-ei-financing-in-3-years-top-court-1.750084

"It is clear that the [employment insurance] account does not constitute — as is the case of pension fund assets — a trust fund or patrimony by appropriation. It forms part of Canada's government accounting, and premiums form part of the government's revenues," the ruling said."

  
David Allan
Angela Kung
The only good thing that came out of this was that Canada dodged one big bullet.


David Raymond Amos
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David Raymond Amos
@Angela Kung Not really Although I proved that Bernier was just anther crooked lawyer way back in 2006 at least I am ethical enough to admit the I agreed with the nasty Yankee O'Leary in that Maxey Baby was the pick of the litter that the Conservatives were offering to their followers. Now we have to deal with Harper 2.0 promoting his old boss' malicious nonsense with a not so sly smile for several more years



David Raymond Amos
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David Raymond Amos
@David Raymond Amos Oh My Now I see that the CBC moderators is getting rather busy today blocking my comments N'esy Pas Hubby Lacroix and Minister Joly?

It appears that your mindless minions have failed to recall that I have already Emailed, Blogged and Tweeted about their obvious malice many times and soon I will file a lawsuit as well.


David Raymond Amos
David Raymond Amos
@Angela Kung FYI CBC blocked two comments of mine in this thread alone Go Figure

Dallas Trufyn
Dallas Trufyn
@David Allan "O'Leary must now repay his leadership debt by soliciting individual Canadians to donate a maximum of $1,550 each until he has enough to cover his outstanding costs"

Unless I'm reading this wrong, it sounds like Canadains are footing the bill, not O'Leary?

John Oaktree
John Oaktree
@Karen King

From the article:

"The Canada Elections Act says an individual candidate can't donate more than $25,000 in contributions, loans and loan guarantees to his or her campaign. The limits are there to keep wealthy candidates from having an unfair advantage."

O'Leary would have already paid off this debt if he were allowed...

David Raymond Amos
David Raymond Amos
@John Oaktree True

David Raymond Amos
David Raymond Amos
@Dallas Trufyn Only Conservatives will partake of this gravy train though


bill chagwich
Roosevelt Smith
So what this shows is that conservatives who purport to be fiscally responsible, clearly aren't and have no issues with creating debt and have no qualms about trying to get around the rules to pay off said debt. mmm hmmmm.


David Raymond Amos
David Raymond Amos
@Roosevelt Smith This should not surprise any of us.. However what amazes me is that O'Leary found a law firm to try to argue this nonsense even another Harper minion went to jail not too long ago for doing just such a thing. Need I say DUHHH??


David Allan
David Allan
@David Raymond Amos

The firm is happy to bill on anything their client asks for.


Alex Sobieski 
Alex Sobieski
Where did all the money go? The guy didn't even campaign in any meaningful or real way and he didn't bother to show up to 90% of the debates. So where did the campaign spend all the money?


David Raymond Amos
David Raymond Amos
@Alex Sobieski I have no doubt that O'Leary's campaign took care of their beloved candidate very well as he did his best to try to protect our rights and interests.



Malcolm Alexander 
Malcolm Alexander
So, what I understand is because some candidates may not be as rich as him and are unable to pay off their political debt without declaring bankruptcy, he doesn't want to pay his debt from his personal fortune.
Why do the self centred rich folk always seem to shirk their public responsibilities?
He knew the rules before he started, and if he didn't, then he is no business person that anyone should ever get involved with.


Michael Murphy
Michael Murphy
@Radam Feizo-Gas "he is not allowed to pay back himself. Electoral rules"

The best part is Conservative donors will be fleeced for years to pay off these debts

Malcolm Alexander
Malcolm Alexander
@Ryan Coake
No, he wants to lend money to his private company so THEY can pay HIS debt.
How many own private companies worth millions?


David Raymond Amos
David Raymond Amos 
@Michael Murphy CBC and I remember a fancy lawyer in New Brunswick with the same name as you. History tells us he was a Wannabe Leader of a the Liberal Party not all that long after he quit his seat and his dream job as Attorney General and waited for his party to lose bigtime before he reentered the fray to save his beloved party.

Your moderators should not block this comment because after all this is your work EH CBC?

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/michael-murphy-launches-liberal-leadership-campaign-1.1134580



David Raymond Amos
David Raymond Amos
@Michael Murphy Well are you the same fella or not?


Angela Kung
 Angela Kung
The little guys will probably get stiffed. And good luck with suing the American resident. What a mess this guy left behind.


Johnny Horton
Johnny Horton
@David Allan

Most candidates don't care. They know they aren't responsible for the debt. So why should hey care what they spend?

Personally I disagree with the current law. I think that AFTER the election or leadership race is over. Candidates become then personally responsible for any debts.

I'm not an o Leary fan. At least he tried to pay the little guys who often do t get paid, or end bs Krupp in the years it takes to fundraise the money after an election is over.

It shouldn't be the businesses that suffer. The current law forces businesses to take on the brunt of political campaigning costs, often never recouping the services they provide,

David Raymond Amos
David Raymond Amos
@Johnny Horton I think they should change the rules so that the Candidates can only order services and pay from cash on hand and never be allowed to go into debt.


Jonas Prince 
Jonas Prince
Fine examples of the fiscally Conservative.


David Allan
David Allan
@Michael Murphy

"LOL! Harper promised never to run a deficit, then ran 7 straight. Clueless."

It gets even better.

Harper passed balanced budget legislation.
Then ran deficits.

David Raymond Amos
David Raymond Amos
@David Allan Its worse than merely clueless. It is deliberately malicious.

Karin Bougie
Karin Bougie
@steve coy

I think you're on on the wrong comment.

I don't care, but when one is bashing one party for something, I love to show that other parties do the same thing.

They are all the same. But for some reason, a couple years into a new government, all past history of other campaigns get deleted from the mind.


David Raymond Amos
David Raymond Amos
@Karin Bougie You go girl Tell em like it is. I have a long memory as well Thus you have a fan in me.


William Reed
Braden Walker
Yes, I'm sure O'Leary is purely concerned with small business vendors hahahaha


Angela Kung
Angela Kung
@Braden Walker
Many sleepless nights no doubt ...

David Raymond Amos
David Raymond Amos
@Braden Walker No doubt he can't sleep at night with such things on his mind.


William Reed 
William Reed
Looks like these rich people went ahead and spent more than they knowingly raised, trying to secure an advantage for themselves and putting small businesses at risk. The Conservative party should be punished for this severely. This attempt to simply bull your way to what you desire despite the laws, known to all, is a great example of how "win at all costs" characters like this try and bend the rules and then have them changed to avoid the problem they were so willing to bring on. It's a cry of socialism that looks like this now: look at these poor suffering businesses that you allowed me to put in jeopardy. Hypocrites is what they are. These businesses ought to get stiffed and it should go on top of their resumes.


David Raymond Amos
David Raymond Amos
@William Reed Everybody knows Liberals do the same thing


 tom barry 
tom barry
Rules are rules, they should be applied equally for everyone.


David Raymond Amos
David Raymond Amos
@tom barry I agree the rules should be applied equally for everyone however history proves that is not always the way things go.The tragic part to me is that nobody seems to care.


David Barry Cooper 
David Barry Cooper
"They said no. I think a candidate should be personally liable for any debts not cleared after the race is over and the outcome has been determined."

And that Kevin is exactly why the elections act was created, so wealthy candidates to not have an unfair advantage over the not so wealthy ones, or did you not read that part when you decided to run?

And you ran an election campaign with money you did not have?


David Raymond Amos
David Raymond Amos
@David Barry Cooper The funny part to me is that the people giving O'Leary the credit must have known the rules too. They took a chance and lost tis all. Hence as fellow gambler I don't feel sorry for them


David Raymond Amos
David Raymond Amos
@William Reed Everybody knows Liberals do the same thing


roberta cullin 
Dave Brown
The shining guru of the Harper Party Leona Hemsley is said to have declared, 'We don't pay taxes. Only the little people pay taxes.'

The Harper Party and its adherents have taken this to a new level. It becomes, 'We don't follow rules and laws. Only the little people do that.'


Daniel Jean
Daniel Jean
@Dave Brown I presume you think that you are funny, but your entire comment is a non-sequiter. News Flash!! Harper is no longer in politics. Let it go.

David Raymond Amos
David Raymond Amos
@Daniel Jean Methinks you forgot the winner some folks call Harper 2.0
 

Conservative Party stands by leadership voting process as questions mount


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 Jim conor 
Jim conor
Is anybody really surprised by this?? They are just practicing their electoral fraud tactics.
 

David Raymond Amos
David Raymond Amos
@Jim conor Congrats It appears that you can brag about two things in the article not only were you the first that CBC allowed to comment but you are the most popular as well


David Raymond Amos
David Raymond Amos
Oh My My don't we love a circus?


David Raymond Amos
David Raymond Amos
Should we be appalled that Jay Hill feels disenfranchised or support Kevin O'Leary's bid for some limelight? For the record I spoke to Deepak Obhrai's daughter personally because she answered the phone for his campaign office. I liked her she was very open and honest with. However her daddy has ignored my emails and phone calls for years. So at least byway of his beloved political party snubbing someone his loves Deepak Obhrai now has an idea what it feels like to be ignored.


David Raymond Amos 
David Raymond Amos
Gee I have already Tweeted and blogged about the article and CBC has yet to post the first comment?


Frank Lee
Frank Lee
@David Raymond Amos: They posted this comment . . .

 
David Raymond Amos
David Raymond Amos
@Frank Lee Yup and my first two as well After CBC finally did so I updated the blog about this Conservative nonsense

roberta cullin
roberta cullin
@David Raymond Amos

There are at least 15 comments that were posted 1 hour ago. your comment was posted 2 hours ago . perhaps you should get a new watch ?

David Raymond Amos
David Raymond Amos
@roberta cullin I have not owned a watch in 30 years since I threww the last one away. However the clock on my computer keeps perfect time. For the public record folks will find your comment an this response within my blog. . 

That said it went down just as I posted. When I posted the first 2 comment there were no comments showing whatsoever. One hour later comments had begun began to appear but not mine so I mad the third comment . As i said by that time I had already created a blog about this article and Tweeted about it as well. When the comments of mine finally did appear I updated the blog. (FYI CBC often blocks my comments which why i create the blogs tweet and email their bosses)



---------- Original message ----------
From: "MinFinance / FinanceMin (FIN)" fin.minfinance-financemin.fin@canada.ca
Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2017 15:43:11 +0000
Subject: RE: Elections Canada - Required documentiation RE Federal Court File No T-1557-15 Cya in Court SOON
To: David Amos motomaniac333@gmail.com

The Department of Finance acknowledges receipt of your electronic correspondence. Please be assured that we appreciate receiving your comments.

Le ministère des Finances accuse réception de votre correspondance électronique. Soyez assuré(e) que nous apprécions recevoir vos commentaires.


---------- Original message ----------
From: David Amos motomaniac333@gmail.com
Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2017 11:43:01 -0400
Subject: Re: Elections Canada - Required documentiation RE Federal Court File No T-1557-15 Cya in Court SOON
To: Lorenzo.Prudhomme@elections.ca, jan.jensen@justice.gc.ca, Yves.Cote@elections.ca, mcu@justice.gc.ca, bill.pentney@justice.gc.ca, Liliana.Longo@rcmp-grc.gc.ca, bob.paulson@rcmp-grc.gc.ca, Bill.Morneau@canada.ca, hon.ralph.goodale@canada.ca, pm@pm.gc.ca, MulcaT@parl.gc.ca, andrew.scheer@parl.gc.ca, leader@greenparty.ca
Cc: david.raymond.amos@gmail.com

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From: "Prud'homme, Lorenzo" Lorenzo.Prudhomme@elections.ca
Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2017 13:50:01 +0000
Subject: Elections Canada - Required documentation
To: motomaniac333@gmail.com>
Cc: A friend

Hello Mr. Amos,

Thank you for sending the statement of surplus. However, the form
isn't completed and the declaration is not signed.

Please resubmit the completed documentation with the Official Agent's
signature on part 1.

Thank you,

Lorenzo Prud'homme (13-A-040)
Coordonnateur d'équipe régionale / Regional Team Coordinator
Financement politique et vérification / Political Financing and Audit
Élections Canada / Elections Canada
Tel: 819-939-2037 / 1-800-267-7360
[Logo of Elections Canada / Logo d'Élections Canada]


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Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2017 15:43:10 +0000
Subject: Re: Re: Elections Canada - Required documentiation RE Federal Court File No T-1557-15 Cya in Court SOON
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From: David Amos motomaniac333@gmail.com
Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2017 10:53:05 -0400
Subject: Re Unfair Elections Acts and the ERRE nonsense etc So much for the Integrity of the sneaky lawyer Stephane Perrault and his many nasty assistants N'esy Pas Mr Cote?
To: Yves.Cote@elections.ca, political.financing@elections.ca, bill.pentney@justice.gc.ca, Bill.Morneau@canada.ca, Bill.Casey@parl.gc.ca, Matt.DeCourcey@parl.gc.ca, andre@jafaust.com, markandcaroline@gmail.com, postur@for.is, francis.scarpaleggia@parl.gc.ca, david.raymond.amos@gmail.com, mcu@justice.gc.ca, pm@pm.gc.ca, MulcaT@parl.gc.ca, leader@greenparty.ca, andrew.scheer@parl.gc.ca, David.Coon@gnb.ca, Dominic.Cardy@gnb.ca, kelly@lamrockslaw.com, bob.paulson@rcmp-grc.gc.ca, Gilles.Blinn@rcmp-grc.gc.ca, Ronald.Lamothe@elections.ca, jkingsle@uottawa.ca, warren@daisygroup.ca, diane.davidson@uottawa.ca, David.Hansen@justice.gc.ca, Paul.Harpelle@gnb.ca>, david@lutz.nb.ca, david.eidt@gnb.ca
Cc: Alistair.MacGregor@parl.gc.ca, Alain.Rayes@parl.gc.ca, Ruby.Sahota@parl.gc.ca, cullen1@parl.gc.ca, Sherry.Romanado@parl.gc.ca, John.Aldag@parl.gc.ca

Seems that this lawyer got his fancy not long after I posted this
email withinAndre Murray's old blog in 2014 N'esy Pas?

https://www.linkedin.com/in/st%C3%A9phane-perrault-12068b69/?ppe=1

Stephane Perrault
Deputy Chief Electoral Officer, Regulatory Affairs, Elections Canada
Company Name Elections Canada
Dates Employed Jul 2014 – Present Employment Duration 3 yrs
Location Gatineau

Reponsible for Legal Services, Political Financing (Audit and
Systems), Regulatory Compliance and Electoral Integrity


http://thedavidamosrant.blogspot.ca/2014/06/friday-13th-of-june-was-my-final-follow.html

Monday, 16 June 2014
Friday the 13th of June was MY Final Follow up: with the Very
Questionable Elections Dudes The lawyers played dumb as usual but some
of the help did not.

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From: David Amos
Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2014 20:31:31 -0300
Subject: Friday the 13th of June was MY Final Follow up: with the Very
Questionable Elections Dudes The lawyers played dumb as usual but some
of the help did not.
To: Yves.Cote@elections.ca, Michael.Quinn@electionsnb.ca,
Marc.Mayrand@elections.ca, Mackap@parl.gc.ca,
justin.trudeau.a1@parl.gc.ca, MulcaT@parl.gc.ca, leader@greenparty.ca,
justmin@gov.ns.ca, pm@pm.gc.ca, Bob.Paulson@rcmp-grc.gc.ca,
terry.seguin@cbc.ca, jacques_poitras@cbc.ca,
danny.copp@fredericton.ca, oldmaison@yahoo.com, david.eidt@gnb.ca,
police@fredericton.ca, Premier@gnb.ca, briangallant10@gmail.com,
Davidc.Coon@gmail.com
Cc: Motomaniac333@gmail.com, Ronald.Lamothe@elections.ca,
jkingsle@uottawa.ca, warren@daisygroup.ca, diane.davidson@uottawa.ca,
David.Hansen@justice.gc.ca

It appears that they are all game to take me on in Federal Court.

So be it. I will pick the time and the location as is my right.

Veritas Vincit
David Raymond Amos
902 800 0369

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: David Amos
Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2013 17:06:28 -0300
Subject: Mr Hansen YOU are the guy with my file who has been ducking
me for months Methinks I will name YOU in the lawsuit
To: David.Hansen@justice.gc.ca, Mackap , David Amos
, justmin , stoffp1

Cc: "justin.trudeau.a1" , leader
, MulcaT

On 8/1/13, Hansen, David wrote:

Hello Mr. Amos,

I manage the Justice Canada civil litigation section in the Atlantic region.

We are only responsible for litigating existing civil litigation files in
which the Attorney General of Canada is a named defendant or plaintiff. If
you are a plaintiff or defendant in an existing civil litigation matter in
the Atlantic region in which Attorney General of Canada is a named defendant
or plaintiff please provide the court file number, the names of the parties
in the action and your question. I am not the appropriate contact for other
matters.

Thanks

David A. Hansen


From: Lamothe, Ronald Ronald.Lamothe@elections.ca
Subject: Call
To: "David Amos"
Date: Thursday, May 22, 2014, 6:30 AM

Mr. Amos … could you give me a call regarding your
recent email to Elections Canada.

Looking forward to hearing from you soon.

Please take note that I am in the office today until 2 pm –
and away from the office, returning on Tuesday June 3rd 2014.

RON

Ronald Lamothe Enquêteur / Investigator
Élections Canada / Elections Canada
819-939-2073
ronald.lamothe@elections.ca


-----Original Message-----
From: denise.savoie.c1@parl.gc.ca
Sent: Monday, March 26, 2012 5:53 PM
To: david.raymond.amos@gmail.com
Subject: RE: FWD I just called a lot of news people from 902 800 0369

Hi Dominique,

This is definitely not casework but you might want ot show it to Alex
. . . but he does not appear to be our constituent, may not even live
in Canada anymore. Seems to have a complaint with Elections Canada
from when he ran for election in Fundy in 2004. Is angry with Peter
McKay for something.

Slim chance it is useful but maybe Alex could look.

FYI - he called from NS today and left a long message on our machine.
I have not listened to it . . . . seems to be sending this to Denise
because she is Deputy Speaker.

Thanks

Donna Forbes
Constituency Assistant to Denise Savoie, MP

Phone: 250-363-3600
Fax: 250 - 363-8422
________________________________________

From: David Amos [david.raymond.amos@gmail.com]
Sent: March 26, 2012 3:13 PM
To: Savoie, Denise - M.P.
Cc: Savoie, Denise - Riding 1
Subject: Fwd: FWD I just called a lot of news people from 902 800 0369

-----Original Message-----
From: David Amos
Sent: Wednesday, February 29, 2012 7:52 AM
To: william.corbett@elections.ca ; Bob.Paulson@rcmp-grc.gc.ca ;
ndesrosiers@ccla.org ; Marc.Mayrand ; jkingsle@uottawa.ca ;
diane.davidson@uottawa.ca ; dbertschi@boslaw.ca ;
david@davidbertschi.ca ; email@stephentaylor.ca ; warren@daisygroup.ca
; nspector4@shaw.ca ; pm ; bob.rae ; Nycole.Turmel ;
leader@greenparty.ca ; scottribe@execulink.com ; lawrence ;
vote@bahmanyazdanfar.com ; vote@votersecho.com ;
info@grantgordon.liberal.ca ; craigscott@ndp.ca ;
christopher@canadianactionparty.ca ; elvis-priestley@rogers.com ;
mapleparty@yahoo.ca
Cc: oldmaison@yahoo.com ; danfour ; thepurplevioletpress ;
terry.seguin ; evelyngreene ; sallybrooks25@yahoo.ca ;
mclaughlin.heather ; publicite@ledevoir.com
Subject: A lttle Deja Vu for the Commissioners of the RCMP and Elections Canada

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: david.raymond.amos@gmail.com
Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 07:20:10 -0400
Subject: Fwd: Re voter fraud at least Vic Toews and Jean-Pierre
Kingsley know why I am laughing at you crooks today EH Harper?
To: jkingsle@uottawa.ca, diane.davidson@uottawa.ca,
william.corbett@elections.ca, Bob.Paulson@rcmp-grc.gc.ca,
ndesrosiers@ccla.org, general@oic-ci.gc.ca,
ippd-dpiprp@tbs-sct.gc.ca, maritime_malaise@yahoo.ca,
terry.seguin@cbc.ca, mclaughlin.heather@dailygleaner.com
Cc: dbertschi@boslaw.ca, david@davidbertschi.ca,
email@stephentaylor.ca, warren@daisygroup.ca

Jean-Pierre Kingsley
Telephone : 613-562-5800 ext. 2654
Fax : 613-562-5241
E-Mail Address : jkingsle@uOttawa.ca

http://ccla.org/2012/02/27/ccla-calls-for-investigation-into-federal-election-allegations-of-voter-suppression/

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: david.raymond.amos@gmail.com
Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 06:44:42 -0400
Subject: Re voter fraud at least Vic Toews and Jean-Pierre Kingsley
know why I am laughing at you crooks today EH Harper?
To: pm@pm.gc.ca, vote@bahmanyazdanfar.com, vote@votersecho.com,
info@grantgordon.liberal.ca, craigscott@ndp.ca,
bob.rae@rogers.blackberry.net, lawrence@actionparty.ca,
christopher@canadianactionparty.ca, elvis-priestley@rogers.com,
mapleparty@yahoo.ca, Nycole.Turmel@parl.gc.ca, leader@greenparty.ca
Cc: jacques_poitras@cbc.ca, nmoore@bellmedia.ca,
sallybrooks25@yahoo.ca, thepurplevioletpress@gmail.com,
brother.chao@gmail.com, evelyngreene@live.ca,
maritime_malaise@yahoo.ca, oldmaison@yahoo.com

Just Dave
By Location Visit Detail
Visit 16,250
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City : Ottawa
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Visit Number 16,250



---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Elizabeth May leader@greenparty.ca
Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 02:44:44 -0800
Subject: Thank you for your message / Merci pour votre courriel Re: Re
voter fraud at least Vic Toews and Jean-Pierre Kingsley know why I am
laughing at you crooks today EH Harper?
To: david.raymond.amos@gmail.com

Thank you for your email. We will work to ensure that a response is
sent to you as soon as possible.

Nous vous remercions d'avoir pris le temps de nous écrire. Nous ne
ménagerons aucun effort pour vous transmettre notre réponse dans les
meilleurs délais.

Leader's Office Correspondence Team
Équipe de correspondance du Bureau de la chef

--
Green Party of Canada
Parti vert du Canada
1-866-868-3447
www.greenparty.ca

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: David Amos david.raymond.amos@gmail.com
Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 17:04:33 -0300
Subject: Check the attachment Francis
To: Marc.Mayrand@elections.ca
Cc: maritime_malaise

From: Grady, Louise (ENB)
Sent: Friday, June 06, 2014 11:55 AM
To: mailto:David.Raymond.Amos@gmail.com
Subject: Final Follow up: Your registration as an independent candidate

Mr. Amos:

Following the Chief Electoral Officer's request by telephone on May
28, 2014 and his previous e-mailed requests for additional information
with respect to your registration as an independent candidate (please
see below), and having not received that information despite having
provided you with several opportunities to furnish the requested
information, he has now directed that said registration be cancelled.
Should you wish to re-apply for registration as an independent
candidate, you may do so after 60 days following the cancellation of
your present registration as provided for under subsection 146.1(1) of
the Elections Act.

Louise Grady
Elections Coordinator / Coordinatrice des élections


Elections New Brunswick / Élections Nouveau-Brunswick
Office/bureau : (506) 453-2218 / 1-800-308-2922
Fax/télécopieur: (506) 457-4926
http://www.electionsnb.ca

http://www.ourcommons.ca/DocumentViewer/en/42-1/ERRE/meeting-39/minutes

Special Committee on Electoral Reform (ERRE)
42nd Parliament, 1st Session
Meeting No. 39
Friday, October 7, 2016, 1:32 p.m. to 8:28 p.m.
Fredericton, Delta Fredericton, Grand Ballroom BC
Presiding
Francis Scarpaleggia, Chair (Liberal)

Members of the Committee present

Liberal

    John Aldag
    Matt DeCourcey
    Sherry Romanado
    Ruby Sahota
    Francis Scarpaleggia

NDP

    Nathan Cullen


Green Party

    Elizabeth May

Acting Members present
• Alistair MacGregor for Alexandre Boulerice (NDP)
• John Nater for Scott Reid (Conservative)
• Alain Rayes for Gérard Deltell (Conservative)

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: David Amos motomaniac333@gmail.com
Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2017 10:23:59 -0400
Subject: Attn Stephane Perrault
To: Stephane.Perrault@elections.ca, Sylvie.Rochon@elections.ca
Cc: david.raymond.amos@gmail.com, jan.jensen@justice.gc.ca

http://davidraymondamos3.blogspot.ca/2017/06/mindless-minister-dianelebouthillier.html



---------- Original message ----------
From: "Mayrand, Marc" Marc.Mayrand@elections.ca
Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2017 13:47:00 +0000
Subject: Automatic reply: Mindless Minister Diane.Lebouthillier and
the CBC crooks should remember why I was not surprised to see
Commissioner Andrew Treusch and his buddy Kevin Dancey sneaking out
the back door last year EH?
To: David Amos motomaniac333@gmail.com

Bonjour,

J'ai quitt? mes fonctions ? ?lections Canada depuis le 28 d?cembre.
SVP communiquer avec M. St?phane Perrault
Stephane.Perrault@elections.ca mailto:Stephane.Perrault@elections.ca
, Directeur g?n?ral des ?lections par int?rim ou Sylvie Rochon
l'adjointe ex?cutive par int?rim au 819-939-2017 ou par courriel
Sylvie.Rochon@elections.ca mailto:Sylvie.Rochon@elections.ca.

I left my function at Elections Canada since December 28. You can
reach Mr. Stephane Perrault Stephane.Perrault@elections.ca
mailto:Stephane.Perrault@elections.ca Acting Chief Electoral Officer
or Sylvie Rochon the Acting Executive Assistant at 819-939-2017 or by
email Sylvie.Rochon@elections.ca mailto:Sylvie.Rochon@elections.ca

Marc Mayrand




---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: David Amos motomaniac333@gmail.com
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 16:42:24 -0400
Subject: RE The Commission on Electoral Reform for NB Yo Hubby Lacroix
and Premeir Gallant Why did CBC and GNB fail to tell the Public when
and where Public meetings are?
To: ht.lacroix@cbc.ca, Matt.DeCourcey@parl.gc.ca, Matt.DeCourcey.c1@parl.gc.ca, postur@for.is,
brian.gallant@gnb.ca, Consultations.ECO-BCE@gnb.ca,
victor.boudreau@gnb.ca, passaris@unb.ca,
jason.alcorn@fcnb.ca, premier@gnb.ca, David.Coon@gnb.ca,
blaine.higgs@gnb.ca, bruce.northrup@gnb.ca, duff@goodorg.ca,
Hon.Dominic.LeBlanc@canada.ca, hon.melanie.joly@canada.ca, 
pm@pm.gc.ca, justin.trudeau.a1@parl.gc.ca,
Gerald.Butts@pmo-cpm.gc.ca, Katie.Telford@pmo-cpm.gc.ca,  steve.murphy@ctv.ca, nmoore@bellmedia.ca, news@kingscorecord.com,
peacock.kurt@telegraphjournal.com, CMacKay@stu.ca
Cc: david.raymond.amos@gmail.com, Sarah.Betts@cbc.ca,
Jacques.Poitras@cbc.ca, oldmaison@yahoo.com, andre@jafaust.com, markandcaroline@gmail.com, COCMoncton@gmail.com,
peter.dauphinee@gmail.com, francoise.roy@gnb.ca,
Carolyn.Kavanaugh@gnb.ca, john.ames@gnb.ca, debbie.hunter@gnb.ca,
Gilles.Blinn@rcmp-grc.gc.ca, Leanne.Fitch@fredericton.ca, martin.gaudet@fredericton.ca

The Commission on Electoral Reform
c/o The Clerk of the Executive Council and Secretary to Cabinet
Executive Council Office
Chancery Place
PO Box 6000
Fredericton NB E3B 5H1
Telephone: 506-444-4417
Fax: 506-453-2266
Email Consultations.ECO-BCE@gnb.ca

Hey

With regards to GNB latest call for briefs please view the document
hereto attached entitled  "Democracy Watching" It is a true copy of
the cover letter I gave the former Commission on Legislative Democracy
long before it issued a report in 2005 but failed to answer me.
Perhaps your new commission will do so this time.

Perhaps your assistants can find all the rest of my  documents that
came with the aforesaid cover letter if not go to Federal Court and
pull Docket No T-1557-15 You will find the documents there as well.

Clearly I cannot attend these meeting because you dudes illegally
barred me many Moons ago Hence my lawsuit N'esy Pas Premier Gallant?

http://www2.gnb.ca/content/gnb/en/corporate/public_consultations/ElectoralReform/meetings.html

Upcoming Meetings

Friday, January 6
Council Chamber, Legislative Assembly
9:30 a.m. to 4 p.m.

Monday, January 9
Council Chamber, Legislative Assembly
9:30 a.m. to 4 p.m.

Friday, January 13
Council Chamber, Legislative Assembly
9:30 a.m. to 4 p.m.

Monday, January 16
Council Chamber, Legislative Assembly
9:30 a.m. to 4 p.m.

Meeting dates and times are subject to change.


Whereas Prof Passaris mentioned the ERRE Committee of House of Commons
that was in Fredericton on October 7th, 2015, he should enjoy
listening to the sound file hereto attached while reading the portion
of the parliamentary hansard found below that the folks on Prince
Edward Island were made well aware of

(I edited this email for you people ask David Coon for all of it if you wish)

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: David Amos motomaniac333@gmail.com
Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2016 14:38:51 -0400
Subject: RE Electoral Reform on PEI Yo David Coon I must say that the
assistants to Jamie Fox and your buddy the not so happy dentist down
in the basement picked a bad day to hang up the phone on Mean Old Me
To: premier@gov.pe.ca, psbevanbaker@assembly.pe.ca, jdfox@assembly.pe.ca,
samyers@assembly.pe.ca, crlavie@assembly.pe.ca, Natalia.Goodwin@cbc.ca, Kerry.Campbell@cbc.ca, psmith@charlottetown.ca, fdwatts@assembly.pe.ca,
plleveque@assembly.pe.ca, ajmcdonald@assembly.pe.ca, David.Coon@gnb.ca, Davidc.Coon@gmail.com
Cc: david.raymond.amos@gmail.com, steve.murphy@ctv.ca, jamcquaid@assembly.pe.ca, gatownsend@assembly.pe.ca, gopublic@cbc.ca, cbcinvestigates@cbc.ca

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/prince-edward-island/pei-electoral-reform-motion-1.3863378

Opposition motion for PR on P.E.I. in 2019 defeated
Motion for referendum on electoral reform remains on the floor
By Natalia Goodwin, Kerry Campbell, CBC News Posted: Nov 23, 2016 6:39 AM AT

The entire Liberal Caucus plus three PCs voted against the motion to
bring in mixed member proportional representation for 2019.


"P.E.I. Green Party Leader Peter Bevan-Baker is expressing extreme
disappointment at the defeat of a motion to bring electoral reform to
the province, saying governments will do "whatever the hell they
want."

---------- Original message ----------
From: David Amos motomaniac333@gmail.com
Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2016 18:08:54 -0400
Subject: YO Lionel "The Big Talking Yankee Lawyer" DO TELL Do I sound
Incoherent? How about the Judges? What say you now CNN or CBC or CTV?
How about YOU James Comey?
To: lionel@lionelmedia.com, James.Comey@ic.fbi.gov,
bob.paulson@rcmp-grc.gc.ca, leanne.murray@mcinnescooper.com, Gilles.Blinn@rcmp-grc.gc.ca, mcu@justice.gc.ca,  jan.jensen@justice.gc.ca, bill.pentney@justice.gc.ca, newsroom@globeandmail.ca, news@hilltimes.com, news-tips@nytimes.com, newsonline@bbc.co.uk, ed.pilkington@guardian.co.uk, gopublic@cbc.ca, newtipsatlanta@foxtv.com, newstips@cnn.com, newstips@whdh.com, info@lebronfirm.com, oldmaison@yahoo.com,  birgittaj@althingi.is, markandcaroline@gmail.com, andre@jafaust.com, steve.murphy@ctv.ca, nmoore@bellmedia.ca
Cc: david.raymond.amos@gmail.com, postur@for.is, premier@gnb.ca, pm@pm.gc.ca, Theweek@cpac.ca

>>
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: Póstur FOR postur@for.is
>> Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2016 22:05:47 +0000
>> Subject: Re: Hey Premier Gallant please inform the questionable
>> parliamentarian Birigtta Jonsdottir that although NB is a small "Have
>> Not" province at least we have twice the population of Iceland and
>> that not all of us are as dumb as she and her Prime Minister pretends
>> to be..
>> To: David Amos motomaniac333@gmail.com
>>
>> Erindi þitt hefur verið móttekið  / Your request has been received
>>
>> Kveðja / Best regards
>> Forsætisráðuneytið  / Prime Minister's Office
>>
>>
>> This is the docket
>>
>> http://cas-cdc-www02.cas-satj.gc.ca/IndexingQueries/infp_RE_info_e.php?court_no=T-1557-15&select_court=T
>>
>> These are digital recordings of  the last two hearings
>>
>> Dec 14th https://archive.org/details/BahHumbug
>>
>> Jan 11th https://archive.org/details/Jan11th2015
>>
>> This me running for a seat in Parliament again while CBC denies it again
>>
>> Fundy Royal, New Brunswick Debate – Federal Elections 2015 - The Local
>> Campaign, Rogers TV
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-cFOKT6TlSE
>>
>> http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/fundy-royal-riding-profile-1.3274276
>>
>> Veritas Vincit
>> David Raymond Amos
>> 902 800 0369
>>
>>


---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Lionel Media lionel@lionelmedia.com
Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2016 16:18:43 -0400
Subject: Re: Perhaps Lional the lawyer will call me back now if only
to protect his own butt from litigation EH CNN?
To: David Amos motomaniac333@gmail.com

Thank you for this most interesting note. Incoherent yet most interesting.

All the best,

LIONEL
LOTUS (Lionel of the United States)
Emmy® Award Winning Legal and Media Analyst
"Telling America things no one wants to hear since 1988.”
Logodaedalus & Expert
Lionel’s YouTube Channel

LionelMedia Website
The Official Lionel Reel
Lionel Bio

Lionel is “[a]n intellectual known for his irreverent political and
social humor.” (Newsweek)

“He wears the mantle of Lenny Bruce, with Lenny’s own tropisms: The
Oblique, The Irreverent, The Tangential, The Concupiscent, The
Polymorphous Perverse, The Arcane, The Numinous. And yet Lionel brings
to the table his own savory: A love of the mother tongue and a gonzo
vocabulary that puts his logo on all his works, whether talk-show
hosting, standup-comic spritzing, or hanging out – with himself a
minor art form.” (Jerry Wexler)

“This is not a succedaneum for satisfying the nympholepsy of
nullifidians. Rather it is hoped that the haecceity of this
enchiridion of arcane and recondite sesquipedalian items will appeal
to the oniomania of an eximious Gemeinschaft whose legerity and
sophrosyne, whose Sprachgefühl and orexis will find more than
fugacious fulfillment among its felicific pages.” (Laurence Urdang)

 


 
 
> On Nov 3, 2016, at 1:31 PM, David Amos wrote:
>
> http://www.lebronfirm.com/contact
>
> Telephone
>
> +1-646-979-9520
>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: "CNN.Viewer.Communications.Management"
> CNN.Viewer.Communications.Management@cnn.com
> Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2016 17:11:41 +0000
> Subject: From CNN
> To: David Amos motomaniac333@gmail.com
>
> Greetings,
> Thank you for taking the time to submit your news tip to CNN. This
> message is your confirmation that we have successfully received it. A
> CNN representative will be in touch with you if we are interested in
> exploring your tip and require additional information. If this is a
> breaking news event and requires immediate attention, please call
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>
>
> On 11/3/16, David Amos motomaniac333@gmail.com wrote:
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2bMJa3vWJAo
>>
>> How Corrupt Mainstream Media Rig Elections and Then Deny It
>> Lionel Nation
>> Published on Nov 2, 2016
>>
>> This is beyond obvious. But I'll explain it any way.
>>
>> ME TOO
>>
>> QSLS Politics
>> By Location  Visit Detail
>> Visit 36,741
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>> IP Address         198.147.175.# (WGBH Educational Foundation)
>> ISP         WGBH Educational Foundation
>> Location        
>> Continent     :     North America
>> Country     :     United States  (Facts)
>> State     :     Massachusetts
>> City     :     Brighton
>> Lat/Long     :     42.3484, -71.1551 (Map)
>> Language         English (U.S.) en-us
>> Operating System         Macintosh MacOSX
>> Browser         Safari 1.3
>> Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10_11_6) AppleWebKit/537.36
>> (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/54.0.2840.71 Safari/537.36
>> Javascript         version 1.5
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>> Out Click        
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>> Visit Number         36,741
>>
>>
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: David Amos motomaniac333@gmail.com
>> Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2016 04:04:03 -0400
>> Subject: Fwd: You are welcome Hillary and when are you and your
>> buddies such as Obama now Prez and Comey now of the FBI gonna get
>> around to answering the documents from 12 years ago which hereto
>> attached?
>> To: James.Comey@ic.fbi.gov, bob.paulson@rcmp-grc.gc.ca,
>> Gilles.Blinn@rcmp-grc.gc.ca
>> Cc: david.raymond.amos@gmail.com, premier@gnb.ca, andre@jafaust.com,
>> markandcaroline@gmail.com, sallybrooks25@yahoo.ca,
>> leanne.murray@mcinnescooper.com
>>
>> ---------- Original message ----------
>> From: Info Rocky 2016 info@rdlfg.com
>> Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2016 01:00:00 -0700
>> Subject: Re: Fwd: RE An October surprise for Yankees Now all the
>> latest GOP wannabe US Presidents can't deny that they know what
>> Bernie, Hillary and the Donald have known for quite some time about
>> mean old me versus the Red Coats EH Trudeau "The Younger" and Stevey
>> Boy Harper?
>> To: motomaniac333@gmail.com
>>
>> Thank you for your interest in the "We the People" political campaign
>> of Roque “Rocky” De La Fuente. We will return your inquiries as soon
>> possible. If you need immediate assistance please contact Rocky's
>> campaign headquarters at (858) 569-9000.
>>
>> For more information about Rocky and his platform, please visit
>> www.rocky2016.com.
>>
>> --
>> Sincerely,
>>
>> Public Affairs Team
>> Rocky 2016 LLC
>>
>>
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: David Amos motomaniac333@gmail.com
>> Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2016 14:46:15 -0400
>> Subject: You are welcome Hillary and when are you and your buddies
>> such as Obama now Prez and Comey now of the FBI gonna get around to
>> answering the documents from 12 years ago which hereto attached?
>> To: nh@donaldtrump.com, info@nhgop.org, chris@chrissununu.com,
>> info@livefreeordiealliance.com, zmontanaro@donaldtrump.com,
>> Info@603alliance.org, electchrisbooth@yahoo.com, 2016@brianchabot.org,
>> ardventures@gmail.com, info@kellyfornh.com, info@maggiehassan.com,
>> washington.field@ic.fbi.gov, Boston.Mail@ic.fbi.gov,
>> bob.paulson@rcmp-grc.gc.ca, hon.ralph.goodale@canada.ca
>> Cc: david.raymond.amos@gmail.com,info@rocky2016.com
>> info@hillaryclinton.com, HQ@jillstein.org, Info@garyjohnson2016.com,
>>
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: Official Clinton Campaign info@hillaryclinton.com
>> Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2016 18:36:01 +0000 (GMT)
>> Subject: Thank you for your message
>> To: motomaniac333@gmail.com
>>
>>
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: Info Rocky 2016 info@rdlfg.com
>> Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2016 11:36:00 -0700
>> Subject: Re: Sometimes less is more So I talked about Maggie Hassan
>> and cohorts to Parliamentarians then called the GOP HQ in New
>> Hampshire explained some things and told them to look forward to this
>> email and Halloween as well
>> To: motomaniac333@gmail.com
>>
>> Thank you for your interest in the "We the People" political campaign
>> of Roque “Rocky” De La Fuente. We will return your inquiries as soon
>> possible. If you need immediate assistance please contact Rocky's
>> campaign headquarters at (858) 569-9000.
>>
>> For more information about Rocky and his platform, please visit
>> www.rocky2016.com.
>> --
>> Sincerely,
>>
>> Public Affairs Team
>> Rocky 2016 LLC
>>
>>
>> On 10/26/16, David Amos motomaniac333@gmail.com wrote:
>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>> From: David Amos motomaniac333@gmail.com
>>> Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2016 13:31:43 -0400
>>> Subject: Attn Alain Rayes remember me?
>>> To: Alain.Rayes@parl.gc.ca, pm@pm.gc.ca>,
>>> Gerald.Butts@pmo-cpm.gc.ca
>>> Cc: david.raymond.amos@gmail.com
>>>
>>> http://davidraymondamos3.blogspot.ca/2016/10/mr-prime-minister-trudeau-younger-and.html
>>>
>>> Friday, 21 October 2016
>>> Mr Prime Minister Trudeau "The Younger" , the CBC, the RCMP and the
>>> CROWN's many lawyers should understand why I appreciate Parliament
>>> labelling citizen's words as EVIDENCE N'esy Pas?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.parl.gc.ca/HousePublications/Publication.aspx?Language=e&Mode=1&Parl=42&Ses=1&DocId=8493010
>>>
>>>
>>> Special Committee on Electoral Reform
>>> NUMBER 039
>>>     l        
>>> 1st SESSION
>>>     l        
>>> 42nd PARLIAMENT
>>> EVIDENCE
>>> Friday, October 7, 2016
>>> [Recorded by Electronic Apparatus]
>>>  (1335)
>>> [English]
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The Chair:
>>>    Thank you very much.
>>>    Mr. David Amos, the floor is yours.
>>>
>>> Mr. David Amos (As an Individual):
>>>     Mr. Chair, I ran for public office five times against your party.
>>> That said, I ran against Mr. DeCourcey's boss right here in
>>> Fredericton in the election for the 39th Parliament.
>>>    I was not aware of this committee meeting in Fredericton today
>>> until I heard Mr. DeCourcey speaking on CBC this morning. I don't
>>> pretend to know something I don't, but I'm a quick study. I thought I
>>> had paid my dues to sit on the panel. I notified the clerks in a
>>> timely fashion, but I received no response. At least I get another
>>> minute and a half.
>>>    The previous speaker answered the $64,000 question: 338. I can
>>> name every premier in the country. Governor Maggie Hassan is my
>>> governor in New Hampshire. The people there who sit in the house get
>>> paid $100 a year plus per diem expenses. I think that's the way to run
>>> a government. There are lots of seats in the house for a very small
>>> state.
>>>    My understanding of this hearing is that you have to report to Mr.
>>> Trudeau by December 1, because he said during the election that if he
>>> were elected Prime Minister, the 42nd Parliament, which I also ran in,
>>> would be the last first-past-the-post election. You don't have much
>>> time, so my suggestion to the clerks today, which I published and sent
>>> to the Prime Minister of Iceland and his Attorney General, was to do
>>> what Iceland does. Just cut and paste their rules. They have no first
>>> past the post. They have a pending election.
>>>     A former friend of mine, Birgitta Jónsdóttir, founded a party
>>> there, for which there is no leader. It is the Pirate Party. It's high
>>> in the polls right now with no leader. That's interesting. I tweeted
>>> this. You folks said that you follow tweets, so you should have seen
>>> what I tweeted before I came here this evening.
>>>     That said, as a Canadian, I propose something else. Number one,
>>> my understanding of the Constitution and what I read about law....
>>> There was a constitutional expert named Edgar Schmidt who sued the
>>> government. He was the man who was supposed to vet bills for Peter
>>> MacKay to make sure they were constitutionally correct. He did not
>>> argue the charter. He argued Mr. Diefenbaker's Bill of Rights.
>>>    In 2002 I read a document filed by a former deputy minister of
>>> finance, Kevin Lynch, who later became Mr. Harper's clerk of the Privy
>>> Council. Now he's on an independent board of the Chinese oil company
>>> that bought Nexen. As deputy minister of finance, he reported to the
>>> American Securities and Exchange Commission on behalf of the
>>> corporation known as Canada. It is a very interesting document that I
>>> saved and forwarded to you folks. It says that he was in a quandary
>>> about whether the charter was in effect.
>>>  (2005)
>>>
>>> The Chair:
>>>    Could it be in relation to a particular voting system?
>>>
>>> Mr. David Amos:
>>>    According to Mr. Lynch, because of the failure of the Meech Lake
>>> and Charlottetown accords, he was in a quandary as to whether the
>>> charter was in effect. I know that the Supreme Court argues it on a
>>> daily basis. That charter, created by Mr. Trudeau and Mr. Chrétien,
>>> his attorney general at the time, gave me the right to run for public
>>> office and vote as a Canadian citizen. However, in the 1990s, Mr.
>>> Chrétien came out with a law, and because I am a permanent American
>>> resident, I can't vote. Yet the charter says I can.
>>>
>>> The Chair:
>>>    That's a—
>>>
>>> Mr. David Amos:
>>>    That said, that's been argued in court. In 2000, Mr. Chrétien came
>>> out with a law that said I couldn't vote. Right? He also took away my
>>> social insurance number.
>>>
>>> The Chair:
>>>    I don't know about the case—
>>>
>>> Mr. David Amos:
>>>    No, he did.
>>>
>>> The Chair:
>>>    But I don't know about the case.
>>>
>>> Mr. David Amos:
>>>     I did prove, after I argued with Elections Canada's lawyers in
>>> 2004.... You might have taken away my right to vote, but you can't
>>> stop me from running for public office, and I proved it five times.
>>>
>>> The Chair:
>>>    Given that you're an experienced candidate—
>>>
>>> Mr. David Amos:
>>>    Very experienced.
>>>
>>> The Chair:
>>>    —does that experience provide you with a particular insight on the
>>> voting systems we're looking at?
>>>
>>> Mr. David Amos:
>>>    In Mr. Trudeau's words, he has to come up with a plan and no more
>>> first past the post. My suggestion to you, in my contact today, is to
>>> cut and paste Iceland's rules.
>>>
>>> The Chair:
>>>    What kind of system does Iceland have?
>>>
>>> Mr. David Amos:
>>>     It's just what you need, just what Mr. Trudeau is ordering now.
>>> It's proportional elections.
>>>
>>> The Chair:
>>>    Is it MMP, or is it just...?
>>>
>>> Mr. David Amos:
>>>    I tweeted you the beginner's book for Iceland.
>>>
>>> The Chair:
>>>    Okay, we'll look at Iceland.
>>>    We're just checking on the kind of system they have, but I
>>> appreciate the input, especially from a candidate, from somebody who
>>> has run many times.
>>>    But we do have—
>>>
>>> Mr. David Amos:
>>>    I have two other points, because I don't think you can pull this
>>> off. I don't think it will happen.
>>>
>>> The Chair:
>>>    Well, I'm hoping we do.
>>>
>>> Mr. David Amos:
>>>    Here is my suggestion. You guys are going north.
>>>
>>> The Chair:
>>>    Yes.
>>>
>>> Mr. David Amos:
>>>    Look how parliamentarians are elected in the Northwest
>>> Territories. There is no party, and I like that.
>>>
>>> The Chair:
>>>    That's true. We were just up in Yellowknife, in fact, and we
>>> learned all about that. That's why it's good for us to be travelling
>>> the country.
>>>    But, sir, I—
>>>
>>> Mr. David Amos:
>>>     I have one more suggestion.
>>>
>>> The Chair:
>>>    One more.
>>>
>>> Mr. David Amos:
>>>    Mr. Harper changed the Canada Elections Act and I still couldn't
>>> vote.
>>>
>>> The Chair:
>>>    Yes, I was in the House when that happened.
>>>
>>> Mr. David Amos:
>>>    Anyway, that said, when you alter the Canada Elections Act, make
>>> it....
>>>    The biggest problem we have is, look at the vast majority of
>>> people who, like me, have never voted in their life. Apathy rules the
>>> day.
>>>
>>> The Chair:
>>>    Except that you've put us on to an idea about Iceland—
>>>
>>> Mr. David Amos:
>>>    Let me finish.
>>>    I suggest that you make voting mandatory, such as Australia does.
>>> Make it that if you don't vote, it costs you money, just like if you
>>> don't report to Statistics Canada.
>>>
>>> The Chair:
>>>    Well, we're talking about that. That is part of our mandate, to
>>> look at mandatory voting and online voting.
>>>    You already had your last suggestion.
>>>  (2010)
>>> Mr. David Amos:
>>>    Put in the line, “none of the above”, and if “none of the above”
>>> wins—
>>>
>>> The Chair:
>>>    That's right, we've heard that, too.
>>>
>>> Mr. David Amos:
>>>    Well, I haven't.
>>>
>>> The Chair:
>>>    We've heard that in our testimony.
>>>
>>> Mr. David Amos:
>>>    You and I will be talking again, trust me on that one, by way of
>>> writing.
>>>     You answered my emails, Ma'am.
>>>
>>> The Chair:
>>>    Thank you very much, sir.
>>>    Now we'll hear from Julie Maitland.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canada-trudeau-electoral-reform-critics-1.3813714
>>>
>>> Critics accuse Justin Trudeau of electoral reform flip-flop for
>>> 'selfish' political gain
>>> Prime minister insists he is 'deeply committed' to consultation
>>> process on changes to voting system
>>> By Kathleen Harris, CBC News Posted: Oct 20, 2016 4:44 PM ET
>>>
>>





http://www2.gnb.ca/content/gnb/en/corporate/public_consultations/ElectoralReform.html


The commission has been given the following mandates:

    Assess commitments made by the provincial government in 2014 to
contribute to making a more effective Legislature by:
    – eliminating barriers to entering politics for underrepresented groups; and
    – investigating means to improve participation in democracy, such
as preferential ballots and online voting.

    Assess other electoral reform matters that have been raised
recently, namely:
    – the voting age;
    – political contribution rules; and
    – political spending rules.

The commission is required to consult with New Brunswickers by:

    engaging experts, interest groups and the public about the issues
and options presented in the discussion paper on Electoral Reform; and
    giving New Brunswickers the opportunity to make written submissions.


http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/electoral-reform-commission-meetings-1.3916003


Electoral reform commission invites public to join upcoming meetings
Commission formed in November, tasked with assessing things like
online voting and age of voting

By Sarah Betts, CBC News Posted: Dec 30, 2016 8:30 AM AT

The province's electoral reform commission is looking for public
input, especially from under-represented groups, in an effort to
strengthen democracy in New Brunswick.

Constantine Passaris, one of five members of the commission, said they
are hoping to get a lot of feedback from New Brunswickers.

"We're reaching out to them to engage them in the process because this
is a very important process. Electoral reform is one of the
foundations of what keeps democracy breathing and living through the
centuries," he said.

Meetings, which are open to the public, are set for Jan. 4 and will
continue each Monday and Wednesday of the month until Jan. 27.
Constantine Passaris

Constantine Passaris, an economics professor at the University of New
Brunswick, said the commission hopes to help underrepresented groups
and incorporate new technology into the electoral reform. (UNB)

Passaris said the commission is expected to report its recommendations
to the provincial government on March 1.

He said the commission's purpose is to make sure people are aware of
what it is doing in terms of recommending "new frontiers for electoral
reform" to the government, as well as how democracy can be
strengthened and how more people can be engaged in the democratic
process.

"We're particularly interested in under-represented groups in society,
getting them engaged in the political process, looking at the
transformation information technology has made available to us," he
said.
What do the people want?

The commission is preparing to hear from various stakeholder groups
and experts in January.

Passaris said stakeholders include women's groups, multicultural
organizations, agencies regarding disability issues, younger
generations, and Indigenous groups.

Experts are considered to be those who have expertise in areas such as
cyber security, political participation and political party finances.

The commission invited the public to share thoughts and concerns on
its website up until Nov. 30, but Passaris said that deadline is one
that is "movable."

"As long as the commission will be holding its public sessions, we
would like the public to continue to send in their comments," he said.

Passaris said the commission is reaching out "to make sure that all
New Brunswickers are aware of this commission … and to provide an open
invitation for all New Brunwickers to participate in the process
because we strongly believe that this process should be inclusive and
should be transparent."
PEI plebiscite form

Envelopes like these were sent to more than 100,000 Islanders
registered to vote in the provincial plebiscite on electoral reform.
(Kerry Campbell/CBC)

He said they have not yet looked at the feedback from the initial open
period, but the commission has been discussing amongst itself and
identifying who they want to hear from.

A referendum dealing with similar issues was dealt with via plebiscite
in Prince Edward Island between October and November.

Votes indicated mixed member proportional representation was the
preferred choice with over 52 per cent support on the final ballot.

However, as voter turnout was at a low 36 per cent, Premier Wade
MacLauchlan said he was doubtful the results could "be said to
constitute a clear expression of the will of Prince Edward Islanders."
'A mini-citizens assembly'
New Brunswick legislature

A flag waves in the fall breeze in front of the legislative assembly
in Fredericton. (Daniel McHardie/CBC)

Passaris said the model of the New Brunswick commission on electoral
reform is very different from the federal committee that released its
report on Dec.1.

Rather than being a committee of House of Commons members, Passaris
said New Brunswick's model is different.

"It is basically made up of citizens who expressed an interest in
participating in this process and were selected by the government to
form a sort of mini-citizens assembly of five people," he said.

Passaris said he believes this is a better approach because discussion
will not be effected by the "element of advancing their political
parties and the political ambitions."

As the democratic process evolves over time, Passaris said the
democratic institutions, mechanisms and machinery have to change with
it.

"We need to keep pushing the frontiers. We need to build a bigger tent
so more people can come into [it] and enjoy the benefits of living in
a province and a country that has an outstanding democratic record."

This isn't the first time New Brunswick has studied ways to improve
its democratic institutions.

In 2005, the Commission on Legislative Democracy issued a report,
which made many recommendations, including moving to a mixed member,
proportional representation voting system.

Bernard Lord's Tories were defeated before the majority of those
recommendations could be implemented.

Another report was done in 2011 looking at ways to improve politics
and legislative democracy.

Executive Council Office
Electoral reform commissioners announced
09 November 2016

FREDERICTON (GNB) – The provincial government has announced the names
of the five members of the commission on electoral reform who will be
tasked with submitting recommendations for improving the electoral
system in New Brunswick.

The individuals are Carolyn MacKay, Bev Harrison, Gaétane Johnson,
Jason Alcorn and Constantine Passaris.

“These individuals were chosen for their high levels of experience and
exceptional qualifications,” said Health Minister Victor Boudreau, who
is also deputy house leader. “I congratulate them on being selected
and look forward to seeing their recommendations for improving our
democracy.”

The members were chosen following a process that allowed any member of
the public to express their interest in serving. They will be given
the following mandate:

    Assess commitments made by the provincial government in 2014 to
contribute to making a more effective legislature by eliminating
barriers to entering politics for underrepresented groups; and
investigating means to improve participation in democracy, such as
preferential ballots and online voting.

    Assess other electoral reform matters that have been raised
recently including changing the voting age, political contribution
rules and political spending rules.

“Yesterday, the State of Maine voted in favour of the preferential
ballot and the day before Prince Edward Island voted for electoral
reform using the preferential ballot,” said Boudreau. “This is an
evolutionary system worthy of consideration.”

Boudreau also noted that the non-binding Prince Edward Island
plebiscite offered the option of online voting and allowed votes from
16 and 17-year-olds, which are also options being considered by the
commission.

The public has been encouraged to participate in the process by
reading the discussion paper Strengthening New Brunswick’s Democracy
and submitting comments. The information received will be compiled and
analyzed by the commission. Recommendations will be submitted to the
clerk of the Executive Council by March 1, 2017.

Following are the biographies of the commission members:

Carolyn MacKay

A career civil servant with the provincial government, MacKay held a
number of senior positions over the course of her 37-year career. In
2007, she was named deputy minister, a post she held until she retired
in February 2014. She has a bachelor’s degree in nursing and a
master’s degree in business administration from the University of New
Brunswick.

Bev Harrison

Harrison was first elected as a member of the legislative assembly in
1978. He was re-elected four times, including terms in 2006 and 2010
as the MLA for the riding of Hampton-Kings. A former high school
teacher and principal, he held different positions including minister
of supply and services, government house leader and speaker of the
legislative assembly. He also served on various standing committees.

Gaétane Johnson

Johnson was elected as a councillor for the Village of Rogersville in
May 2015. The 18-year-old, who is studying psychology at Université de
Moncton, has received various honours over the course of her studies,
including the Governor General’s Academic Medal and the Roméo-LeBlanc
Excellence Scholarship.

Jason Alcorn

Alcorn joined the Financial and Consumer Services Commission in May
2006, where he works as senior legal counsel within the securities
division. He holds a bachelor of laws from Université de Moncton, a
master’s degree in International Affairs from Institut d’études
politiques de Paris and a bachelor of arts in political science from
University of New Brunswick, Saint John campus. He is a former student
of the prestigious École nationale d’administration in France.

Constantine Passaris

An economics professor at the University of New Brunswick, Passaris
has extensive experience in the private and public sectors. Along with
experience in teaching, research and administration at the university
level, Passaris has worked in banking in the private sector and served
as a policy consultant for the federal government and several
provincial governments. Along with his role at the university,
Passaris is an Onassis Foundation Fellow, a research affiliate of the
Prentice Institute for Global Population and Economy at the University
of Lethbridge, an affiliate professor of the Canadian Centre for
German and European Studies at York University and a member of the
Academic Scientific Board of the International Institute of Advanced
Economic and Social Studies.



Kevin O'Leary's pitch to pay back leadership race debt rejected

O'Leary, Bernier, Leitch campaigns all in debt from Conservative leadership race

By Catherine Cullen, CBC News Posted: Jun 08, 2017 5:00 AM ET 

Kevin O'Leary addresses a news conference in Toronto on April 26, where he announced he was quitting the leadership race and throwing his support behind rival Maxime Bernier. The sudden departure left the O'Leary campaign in debt.
Kevin O'Leary addresses a news conference in Toronto on April 26, where he announced he was quitting the leadership race and throwing his support behind rival Maxime Bernier. The sudden departure left the O'Leary campaign in debt. (Nathan Denette/Canadian Press) 


Kevin O'Leary is a businessman who loves a good deal, but his attempt to sell the Commissioner of Canada Elections on his pitch to pay off campaign creditors seems to have flopped.

CBC News first reported that after the reality TV star shocked the political world by dropping out of the Conservative leadership race, his campaign was saddled with more than $200,000 in debt.

Now, in a letter O'Leary shared with CBC News, lawyers for his production company peg the debt at $300,000.

In fact, it seems the three biggest fundraisers in the Conservative leadership race are also the three with outstanding debts.

The campaigns of Maxime Bernier, Kellie Leitch and O'Leary all said they are in the red, though Leitch's campaign said the debt was minor. All of the 11 other campaigns said that, while they were awaiting final numbers, they believed they would break even or have a surplus. Brad Trost's campaign said it was uncertain, but that a small deficit was possible.

O'Leary's pitch fails


While O'Leary has not shied away from touting his own financial success, he's not allowed to pay back his campaign debts himself.

The Canada Elections Act says an individual candidate can't donate more than $25,000 in contributions, loans and loan guarantees to his or her campaign. The limits are there to keep wealthy candidates from having an unfair advantage.

But O'Leary wanted the commissioner to let him bend — perhaps even break— the rules.

The law firm that represents O'Leary Productions made its pitch to the Commissioner of Canada Elections in a letter dated May 23. That's four days after CBC News first reported that O'Leary's campaign was in debt, and that some campaign contractors were complaining about unpaid bills.


The law firm's letter asks that the production company be permitted to loan O'Leary's campaign $300,000 "to facilitate the payment of small vendors who may face financial hardship as a result of having their accounts to the campaign go unpaid for a prolonged period of time."

While the letter refers three times to the potential suffering of small vendors, it also notes that if O'Leary Productions can't loan the campaign the money, O'Leary himself could be squeezed by potential legal action.

"The litigation could very well result in Mr. O'Leary being required to pay these accounts directly if he is found to be personally liable for them," the letter reads.

It also calls the proposed loan "an option of last resort" and notes that "attempts to secure loans from banks have been unsuccessful."

O'Leary told CBC News his pitch was rejected.

"They said no. I think a candidate should be personally liable for any debts not cleared after the race is over and the outcome has been determined. This law seems unfair to smaller vendors that service the political process in Canada that get hung out to dry waiting while the candidates try to raise dollars for a race that is already over," he said.

O'Leary must now repay his leadership debt by soliciting individual Canadians to donate a maximum of $1,550 each until he has enough to cover his outstanding costs.

Bernier's debt tied to O'Leary


In Bernier's case, it seems his campaign debt is at least in part due to his dealings with O'Leary. When the businessman and reality TV star dropped out of the race, Bernier not only accepted O'Leary's endorsement, he also agreed to hire scores of O'Leary's campaign staff for the final leg of the campaign.

A spokesperson for Bernier said his campaign was still waiting for some bills to come in but would "certainly" have a deficit, though she could not provide a precise figure.

Bernier was the top fundraiser in the Conservative race, bringing in more than $2 million, according to filings with Elections Canada. (Final fundraising totals haven't yet been made public.)

O'Leary raised more than a $1 million during his short time in the race.

Leitch's campaign, driven by a promise to screen immigrants, refugees and visitors for what she called "Canadian values," raised more than $1.3 million. Leitch's deficit would be "small," said spokesperson Michael Diamond.

"We are very confident that we will be able to raise sufficient funds in very short order."

Clarifications

  • This story has been updated to make it clear that the Commissioner of Canada Elections is responsible for compliance with political fundraising rules.
    Jun 08, 2017 8:54 AM ET

Conservative Party stands by leadership voting process as questions mount

Kevin O'Leary, who backed runner-up Maxime Bernier after dropping out of the race, wants a recount

By Catherine Cullen, Susan Lunn, CBC News Posted: Jun 06, 2017 4:45 PM ET

Conservative Party members cast ballots at the Toronto Congress Centre ahead of the final results.
Conservative Party members cast ballots at the Toronto Congress Centre ahead of the final results. (David Donnelly/CBC) 

The naming of a new leader was supposed to be a fresh start for a newly united Conservative Party, but a growing list of complaints over the leadership vote suggests increasing malaise.

One former Conservative cabinet minister who never received his ballot calls it a "fiasco." Other party members have concerns about who got their hands on personal data. Some in the camp of runner-up Maxime Bernier have been raising questions about the integrity of the vote itself.

Now, one particularly outspoken former candidate — Kevin O'Leary — is even demanding a recount.

And while a senior Conservative said there may be room for "tweaks," the party is standing by the overall process, which saw record membership sign-ups and voter turnout.

"I'm extremely happy with the way this went off," said Dan Nowlan, chair of the party's leadership election organizing committee.

Potential questions of vote's legitimacy


That's not how at least one party stalwart sees it.

Jay Hill has been involved with the Conservative movement since the 1980s. He was an MP for 17 years and a government House leader and whip under Stephen Harper. He said he contacted the party three times but never received a ballot.

​In a Facebook posting he called it a fiasco. He told Rosemary Barton of CBC's Power & Politics that he's been disenfranchised and would like to know where there are hundreds if not thousands in the same situation. 
"​Because of the narrowness of the vote and potential question of the legitimacy of the outcome, everybody involved in the party​ should be concerned about this, and they should be trying to address it and put it to rest. There's been enough questions raised.​"​​ 
Hill said his response is not sour grapes. He simply feels strongly that he and others should have been allowed to vote.​ 
As CBC News reported the day before the vote, Conservative MP Diane Watts only received her ballot at the last minute and said she knows others in her B.C. riding experienced similar problems.

Deepak Obhrai's campaign told CBC News the candidate's own daughter had to contact the party to get a ballot couriered to her at the 11th hour so she could vote.

Nowlan said he had also heard of instances where people didn't receive their ballots in time. However, he couldn't offer any sense of the scope of the problem.​

"Frankly, it's disappointing if any member who wanted to vote didn't get a chance to vote, and that's definitely something we should look at for the future. We need to fix that."

One possibility would be to change the party's constitution to no longer require a mail-in ballot, said Nowlan.
He'd like to see the leadership committee have options such as online voting and other technologies when the next vote is held.

Concerns about numbers


Perhaps the most serious concerns raised about the vote come from Bernier's campaign. As first reported by the Globe and Mail, Bernier's camp has raised concerns about a discrepancy in the final ballot count. It points to a difference of about 7,000 votes in the number of ballots the party said were cast and the list of voters given to the various campaigns before the weekend convention.

However, there has been no official complaint to the party yet — and Bernier himself tweeted late Tuesday, in English and French, that he "unconditionally" supports Andrew Scheer as leader.

Nowlan said he is confident in the process.

"The party did Herculean efforts to make sure that every member was in fact a bona fide member that had paid for their own membership. So the membership list to start off with is very, very clean."

He said the lists were not an integral part of the party's process, rather the focus was on the ballots themselves. Nowlan points out they were constantly under scrutiny from auditing firm Deloitte, scrutineers from the various campaigns and webcams. ​

O'Leary calls for recount


Former candidate O'Leary is going even further.

"I see no reason we should not have a recount. There are a relatively few number of votes to count and I am sure that no leader or the Conservative Party wants to start a new mandate under a vote-count cloud," said O'Leary in an email to CBC News.

That's not possible, said Nowlan. Once the party's chief returning officer and auditing firm Deloitte signed off on the results, a recount could no longer be done. Dozens of scrutineers were also able to raise issues during the vote count itself.

"That's it. No appeal. It's very clear in the rules," said Nowlan, noting those rules have been in place for well over a year.

Conservative Leadership 20170426
Kevin O'Leary, right, backed Maxime Bernier after quitting the Conservative leadership race in April. O'Leary says he thinks a recount is needed to dispel questions about the ballot results. (Nathan Denette/Canadian Press)

Membership list leaked


Nowlan said he is concerned about a third party gaining access to the Conservatives' membership list. On Friday, it was revealed the National Firearms Association had obtained the list.

The party's chief returning officer, Dave Filmon, is still investigating to find out who was behind that leak. All 14 leadership candidates have denied responsibility to CBC News.

"Frankly, we don't want to name somebody unless we're absolutely 100 per cent sure that the evidence clearly points to it, but if we have that evidence, yeah, we'll definitely identify who that is."

Nowlan said there have been no other complaints about inappropriate access to the list.

Party defends overall process


While Nowlan acknowledges those concerns, overall he's satisfied with the process.

"We wound up after the leadership race having raised more money than we've ever raised before, with the largest membership we've ever had before and the largest participation of members. I think by any measure that's a success."

And another leadership candidate is coming the party's defence. Third-place finisher Erin O'Toole released a statement Tuesday afternoon.

"Based on my team's experience with the leadership election, I am very confident that the process was run fairly, " it said.

He emphasized the importance of attacking the Liberals rather than fighting internally.

"I stand 100 per cent behind our leader Andrew Scheer and want to keep our members focused on the battle that lies ahead."

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/conservative-party-membership-list-trost-leak-nfa-1.4152275

Conservative Party puts Trost campaign 'on notice' over leaked membership list

Campaign wants to see proof as party weighs disciplinary action over leak to National Firearms Association

By Catherine Cullen, CBC News Posted: Jun 08, 2017 5:39 PM ET
 
Brad Trost finished fourth in the Conservative leadership contest.
Brad Trost finished fourth in the Conservative leadership contest. (Liam Richards/The Canadian Press) 

Brad Trost's campaign says it is has been put "on notice" by the Conservative Party for illicitly leaking a party membership list to a gun owners' rights group, CBC News has learned.

However Trost's campaign manager said he can find no proof the leak came from the Saskatchewan MP's camp.

"What we have is an allegation. We've seen no evidence," said campaign manager Joseph Ben-Ami.

When the party handed out copies of the membership list to the leadership campaigns, it engaged in a process called "salting," meaning each campaign received a slightly different copy to allow the party to trace potential leaks.

Ben-Ami said the party reached out to the Trost campaign last Saturday to say it believed it was their version of the list that was given to the National Firearms Association, an Edmonton-based organization that advocates for gun owner and property rights.

Since then, Ben-Ami said all six members of the Trost campaign who had access to the data have been interviewed and the campaign's data logs and security arrangements have been checked. Those checks turned up nothing, he said.

"It would be wrong to say we pushed back [against the party]. We simply wrote back to the party and said there's no indication that any list originated with us. So we've asked them to provide us with whatever information or evidence in their possession to indicate that the list was in fact our list," he said.

Ben-Ami noted that Trost, who ran a campaign based on social conservative values and came in fourth, did not personally have access to the list. However, he said others beyond the Trost campaign did have access to the very same copy.

"The party people themselves had access to the data."

Cease and desist


Last week, the party announced on Facebook that it had received complaints an outside organization was reaching out to its members. On Monday, the party's lawyer sent a cease and desist letter to the National Firearms Association.

The party is demanding the NFA return any hard copies of the membership list and delete any electronic copies. It also wants the party and the Conservative Fund to have access to the NFA's electronic database to be sure all the membership information has been permanently deleted.


​​"Having a third party have access to our party membership​ list is just something that's not acceptable," Dan Nowlan, chair of the party's leadership election organizing committee, told CBC News earlier this week.

The NFA has not responded to a request for comment from CBC News.

In its assessment of each candidate's firearms' policies, the NFA gave Trost a "B."  Only three candidates got a higher grade. However, Ben-Ami said his campaign had no connection with the group.

"We have no relationship with the National Firearms Association. Period. Full stop," said Ben-Ami.

Sorting out consequences


The Conservative party's chief returning officer was charged with looking into allegations surrounding the NFA's acquisition of the list.

Once that investigation is finished, the party must decide on any disciplinary measures. A spokesman from the Conservative Party of Canada said no decision has yet been made on how to deal with the situation.


One option would be to a fine. Each candidate had to give the party a $50,000 compliance deposit by Jan. 1, which was refundable if the candidate followed the rules.

The sums still haven't been returned and could be docked if campaigns were found to have engaged in bad behaviour during the race.

Ben-Ami said he's still waiting for the party to provide him with more information. He said it would be "very disappointing" if the party moved ahead without providing that information.

"I don't think that's proper due process."


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