Uncivil society: The divide between passion and practicality in U.S. politics now
People don't feel heard and want to fight back, says professor and Democrat supporter
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Christopher Sebzda
Someone should have bothered
to teach Sarah Sanders that if you work in the service of the Devil, you
shouldn't be surprised when the people around you hold their noses and
complain that you reek of sulphur.
George Foreman
@Christopher Sebzda Yeah, sounds like something Hugo Chavez would say!
Phil Beech
@Christopher Sebzda More examples of the level of sophisticated political discourse from the left.
David Amos
@George Foreman YO Georgey Boy Methinks the real George Foreman has enough class not to speak ill of the dead N'esy Pas?
Christopher Sebzda
@Phil Beech ...since when has
politics EVER been a civilized discourse? I find it entirely amusing
that someone on the right should start whining when they receive as good
as they themselves have seen fit to dish out.
Arlond Lynds
Trump calling for other people to be respectful is the very definition of hypocrisy.
David Amos
@Arlond Lynds Oh So True
Chris Halford
I see no reason for Sanders
to be shown respect when she shows no respect for her fellow citizens
while shilling for Trump. Anybody who lies for a living doesn't deserve
respect.
Brian Cohen
@Alex Taylor
Ah yes, all of those news outlets that don’t parrot Alex Jones are “neo-Marxist propaganda”.
Me thinks you’ve gotten it backwards
Ah yes, all of those news outlets that don’t parrot Alex Jones are “neo-Marxist propaganda”.
Me thinks you’ve gotten it backwards
David Amos
@Brian Cohen Methinks you are emulating mean ol me but you are bass ackwards as per your MO N'esy Pas?
rick richard
It's NUTS down there. We've
been going "South" to the USofA to spend our Winters (& our $$) for
the last 10 years. NOT THIS YEAR. Sad that i will miss our friends but
they understand.
Brian Cohen
@Don Brown
MAGA
Mo ro ns Are Governing America
MAGA
Mo ro ns Are Governing America
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David Amos
David Amos
@Brian Cohen Methinks I
should ask you the obvious question Are you related to Trump's lawyer
Mikey Cohen You do seem as witty as he N'esy Pas?
Don Brown
Trump will love it if violence breaks out over him.
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Phil Beech
Phil Beech
@Don Brown No that is the
Soros plan. Organized riots via the groups he funds. Each week Trump
stays in power he is losing billions on his shorts.
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David Amos
David Amos
@Phil Beech "No that is the Soros plan"
I wholeheartedly agree.
I wholeheartedly agree.
Cal Mett
Republicans practically threw
a party during the Obama years when a baker refused to serve Joe Biden.
They were elated. It's just like when Republicans were having angry
fits when Obama said he would be willing to talk to Kim. Now they a
Nobel prize for Trump because he talked to Kim. Their hypocrisy is a
matter of public record.
Darren Coleman
@Cal Mett Biden refused being
refused service is a mix of true and false. Joe Biden's staff wanted
to host a media event at the store, the store refused due to political
differences. Joe Biden didn't stop in to buy some cookies and was
refused service. Do a "snopes biden refused service" search. The
Republicans took advantage of the event in 2012, Democrats are taking
their turn in 2018.
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David Amos
David Amos
@Darren Coleman "Joe Biden didn't stop in to buy some cookies"
Exactly
Methinks the Fake Left are arguing apples versus oranges N'esy Pas?
Exactly
Methinks the Fake Left are arguing apples versus oranges N'esy Pas?
Edie Allen
Karma will visit this
mouthpiece. No job is worth what she is teaching her children.
Repeating lies is as bad as if they originated with you.
David Amos
@Edie Allen I ain't one bit
religious but methinks somebody should have taught you to judge not not
lest ye be judged. The Lady is entitled to her political opinions and
she does work for the Yankee President N'esy Pas?
Al Park
Glad you didn't make a scene when you were kicked out Sara....don't go away angry, just go away :)
David Amos
@Al Park I wonder what you would say and do if it had happened to you.
Methinks you would sing a different tune N'esy Pas?
Methinks you would sing a different tune N'esy Pas?
Winston Smith
@David Amos
Don't you mean "N'est Pas"?
Don't you mean "N'est Pas"?
Chris Maurier
She has access to the best
Chefs in the world and she chooses what Trump calls a Filthy Chicken
Joint ,, Whats wrong with this picture?
David Amos
@ Chris Maurier Whats wrong with this picture?
Nothing.
Methinks the Lady can dine wherever she wishes within purportedly profound democracy. I know I should have said republic but no doubt Plato's ghost will forgive me N'esy Pas?
Nothing.
Methinks the Lady can dine wherever she wishes within purportedly profound democracy. I know I should have said republic but no doubt Plato's ghost will forgive me N'esy Pas?
James Mittlefehldt
@David Amos Don't you mean n'es't pa
Arlond Lynds
Civility, just watched the
press briefing by John Bolton regarding the meeting with Vladimir Putin.
When John Bolton is more reasonable sounding than the President and the
President thinks Russians are the good guys one has to wonder.
Phil Beech
@Arlond Lynds Sign. Russian
is a huge country with many huge competing interests all of them much
bigger and more powerful than the Canadian government (not saying much
admittedly). The Russians as Good guys or Bad guys view of reality is
an old prejudiced and infantile hold over from the cold war. Ironic it's
the "educated" left that seems to be the most unable to adapt to the
new reality due to this lifelong anti-Soviet propaganda absorption.
David Amos
@Phil Beech Methinks we are on the same page about a lot of things this evening N'esy Pas?
Joe Green
@Phil Beech - Sorry but look
at the evidence for the Russian state today. Its economy is smaller than
that of Italy, and its run by kleptomaniacs that have robbed the state
blind.
These thieves tried this in Ukraine, but were kicked out. Now they are working with their partners in the White House. Just remember one thing. There is no bank in the west that would have financed Trump and his family. All the money came from Russia who in turn stole it from the Russian people. Full stop.
These thieves tried this in Ukraine, but were kicked out. Now they are working with their partners in the White House. Just remember one thing. There is no bank in the west that would have financed Trump and his family. All the money came from Russia who in turn stole it from the Russian people. Full stop.
Colin Sanders
The conservatives have lost
all credibility over this issue. They blame the left for being uncivil
towards Sarah Huckabee Sanders and her entourage for the Red Hen denying
them service? What about the bakery that denied Joe Biden service and
for which the Republicans not only applauded the bakery, but toured him
around celebrating this action and claiming it as the way to stand up to
government corruption?!?!? Memories are short and hypocrisy immense on
the right side of the political spectrum
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Phil Beech
Phil Beech
@Colin Sanders Maybe Joe
Biden was refused service because they did not want their customers
children grouped? It was a cookie store right? Or is inappropriate
touching okay when Dems do it?
George Foreman
@Colin Sanders
Joe Biden was planning on stopping in a cookie store while campaigning in Virginia in 2012, but the store owner refused, saying he didn't want to pose for a photograph with him due to differing political opinions.
Biden was not refused service in person; Biden was visiting the store specifically for a political purpose, not to eat.
Fact Check: https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/was-biden-refused-service-in-2012/
Joe Biden was planning on stopping in a cookie store while campaigning in Virginia in 2012, but the store owner refused, saying he didn't want to pose for a photograph with him due to differing political opinions.
Biden was not refused service in person; Biden was visiting the store specifically for a political purpose, not to eat.
Fact Check: https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/was-biden-refused-service-in-2012/
David Amos
@Phil Beech Methinks many a true word is said in jest N'esy Pas?
Uncivil society: The divide between passion and practicality in U.S. politics now
People don't feel heard and want to fight back, says professor and Democrat supporter
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"People don't feel heard, and I think you are asking them to wait," said Melissa Michelson, a Democrat supporter and professor at Menlo University, California.
"I think that's unreasonable given what is happening to our country," she told The Current's guest host Mike Finnerty. "I think people want to fight back."
Last night I was told by the owner of Red Hen in Lexington, VA to leave because I work for @POTUS and I politely left. Her actions say far more about her than about me. I always do my best to treat people, including those I disagree with, respectfully and will continue to do so
Speaking at a rally at the weekend, Democratic Congresswoman Maxine Waters urged people to "push back" if they encountered representatives of the Trump administration in public. In response, Trump tweeted that Waters was "an extraordinarily low IQ person."
Congresswoman Maxine Waters, an extraordinarily low IQ person, has become, together with Nancy Pelosi, the Face of the Democrat Party. She has just called for harm to supporters, of which there are many, of the Make America Great Again movement. Be careful what you wish for Max!
"When we engage in tactics that are personally just yelling at each other, that tactic — rather than the issue — becomes what is vivid to people," said Celinda Lake, a leading political strategist within the Democratic Party.
Lake told Finnerty that action like this could have an electoral impact.
"For swing voters, when we participate in tactics like this we become part of the problem, rather than part of the solution," she said.
Michelson disagreed, arguing that it will take passion to get people out to vote.
"Enough about reaching out to swing voters," she countered.
"That is not working. The way to victory is to fire up the base, and to fire up people who have not been voting in previous elections."
CBC News
Sarah Sanders on being asked to leave restaurant
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Midterm elections looming
With U.S. midterm elections in November, Lake argued that the tactic could deflect from issues.
"What we need to do is organize, get out the vote, and win these elections in four months because they have real consequence," she said.
"I'd rather have the Supreme Court in four months and have blockage on the Supreme Court than not have Sarah eat at a restaurant in Virginia," she added.
Michelson argued that it's easy to say that dissatisfied voters need to organize "when you go home and you live a life of relative privilege."
"Members of these marginalized communities — people who are seeing their friends and family members hurt by this administration — just don't think that that's enough," she said.
Listen to the full discussion near the top of this page.
This segment was produced by The Current's Willow Smith and Idella Sturino.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/refuse-service-sarah-huckabee-sanders-1.4724079
Why Sarah Huckabee Sanders would have no trouble getting a meal in D.C. — or Quebec
White House press secretary was asked to leave a restaurant in Virginia last week because of her politics
When
the owner of the Red Hen restaurant in Lexington, Va., asked Donald
Trump's press secretary, Sarah Huckabee Sanders, to leave the premises
last Friday, she was perfectly within her rights to do so.
But if it had been a restaurant in Washington, D.C., then it may have been a different matter. The same goes if Sanders had been trying to sit down for a meal at a restaurant in Quebec.
That's because the right of a business to refuse someone service in the U.S. or Canada often depends on rules set down by the individual states or provinces.
The Virginia restaurant's co-owner, Stephanie Wilkinson, told the Washington Post that her staff had called her to report Sanders was at the restaurant. She said several of her employees are gay and knew Sanders had defended Trump's desire to bar transgender people from serving in the military.
"Tell me what you want me to do. I can ask her to leave," Wilkinson says she told her staff. "They said yes."
Historically, the refusal of service in the U.S. was usually linked to racism and the denial of service to visible minorities, particularly black Americans.
The landmark U.S. Civil Rights Act of 1964 set out to address some of those issues, laying down some basic anti-discrimination laws that are applicable across the country with respect to denying someone service.
Sanders
said in a tweet last week that she was booted from the Red Hen in
Lexington, Va. Sanders said she was told by the owner of the restaurant
that she had to 'leave because I work for @POTUS and I politely left.' (Daniel Lin/Associated Press)
But
the laws were actually narrow in scope, applying only to certain
businesses, "a place of public accommodation," which included
restaurants, movie theatres, sports arenas, hotels and motels. And the
categories of discrimination only included race, national origin, colour
and religion.
Almost all individual states have filled the gaps with their own so-called public accommodation laws. They have made them applicable to almost any business open to the public. As well, some states have expanded the list of "protected traits" to also include sex, sexual orientation, disability and age.
D.C.'s list, for example, is particularly extensive. It prohibits a business from denying service to someone based on political affiliation, personal appearance, gender identity or expression, familial status, source of income and place of residence.
So
would a restaurant in D.C. have been able to deny Sanders service?
Maybe not, but it could depend on the definition of political
affiliation.
The restaurant might be able to argue it's not denying service to Republicans in general, but just to Sanders.
"It seems that rather than being discrimination against Republicans, this is actually a targeted shaming of a public official for her individual actions," Sepper said.
North of the border, the Canadian Human Rights Act covers federally regulated operations, including banks, interprovincial transport companies and federal institutions.
As for regular businesses and their right to deny service, it depends on the province or territory, as each has its own human rights code. Generally, nobody can be denied a service on the basis of personal traits such as race, age, national origin, sex, religion or sexual orientation. But provinces vary with respect to other categories, including political beliefs.
Gregory Ko, a Toronto-based civil litigator who specializes in employment law, said the human rights codes of B.C., Alberta, Saskatchewan and Ontario do not prohibit an individual from denying service to someone based on their political beliefs.
(There is, however, a debate in Ontario over whether creed, which has historically been interpreted to mean religion, also includes political convictions.)
The Quebec Human Rights Commission gives specific examples of what it means by denying somebody a service on the basis of political conviction, Ko said.
"They say, for example, you cannot be denied access to a business or a restaurant because you're wearing a political symbol such as a pin a badge or a sticker," he said.
"They don't want folks who are carrying some type of political party message on their lapel to be denied service in a restaurant."
The tighter rules in Quebec likely come from the "very defined cleavages between federalists and sovereigntists and the history behind that," Ko said.
Brian Smith, a senior counsel with the Canadian Human Rights Commission, told The Canadian Press there are differences in how the provinces and territories define political beliefs and apply their laws.
So before an individual in Canada wants to deny someone service based on political beliefs, "it would be worth double-checking," he said.
But if it had been a restaurant in Washington, D.C., then it may have been a different matter. The same goes if Sanders had been trying to sit down for a meal at a restaurant in Quebec.
That's because the right of a business to refuse someone service in the U.S. or Canada often depends on rules set down by the individual states or provinces.
- Sanders's Red Hen experience becomes political bunfight
- Trump press secretary says she was booted from Virginia restaurant
The Virginia restaurant's co-owner, Stephanie Wilkinson, told the Washington Post that her staff had called her to report Sanders was at the restaurant. She said several of her employees are gay and knew Sanders had defended Trump's desire to bar transgender people from serving in the military.
'I can ask her to leave'
"Tell me what you want me to do. I can ask her to leave," Wilkinson says she told her staff. "They said yes."
Historically, the refusal of service in the U.S. was usually linked to racism and the denial of service to visible minorities, particularly black Americans.
The landmark U.S. Civil Rights Act of 1964 set out to address some of those issues, laying down some basic anti-discrimination laws that are applicable across the country with respect to denying someone service.
Almost all individual states have filled the gaps with their own so-called public accommodation laws. They have made them applicable to almost any business open to the public. As well, some states have expanded the list of "protected traits" to also include sex, sexual orientation, disability and age.
D.C.'s list, for example, is particularly extensive. It prohibits a business from denying service to someone based on political affiliation, personal appearance, gender identity or expression, familial status, source of income and place of residence.
The restaurant might be able to argue it's not denying service to Republicans in general, but just to Sanders.
'Targeted shaming'
"It seems that rather than being discrimination against Republicans, this is actually a targeted shaming of a public official for her individual actions," Sepper said.
North of the border, the Canadian Human Rights Act covers federally regulated operations, including banks, interprovincial transport companies and federal institutions.
As for regular businesses and their right to deny service, it depends on the province or territory, as each has its own human rights code. Generally, nobody can be denied a service on the basis of personal traits such as race, age, national origin, sex, religion or sexual orientation. But provinces vary with respect to other categories, including political beliefs.
Gregory Ko, a Toronto-based civil litigator who specializes in employment law, said the human rights codes of B.C., Alberta, Saskatchewan and Ontario do not prohibit an individual from denying service to someone based on their political beliefs.
(There is, however, a debate in Ontario over whether creed, which has historically been interpreted to mean religion, also includes political convictions.)
- Sanders's Red Hen experience becomes political bunfight
- Collingwood's Red Hen mistakenly receives online backlash from Trump supporters
The Quebec Human Rights Commission gives specific examples of what it means by denying somebody a service on the basis of political conviction, Ko said.
"They say, for example, you cannot be denied access to a business or a restaurant because you're wearing a political symbol such as a pin a badge or a sticker," he said.
"They don't want folks who are carrying some type of political party message on their lapel to be denied service in a restaurant."
The tighter rules in Quebec likely come from the "very defined cleavages between federalists and sovereigntists and the history behind that," Ko said.
Brian Smith, a senior counsel with the Canadian Human Rights Commission, told The Canadian Press there are differences in how the provinces and territories define political beliefs and apply their laws.
So before an individual in Canada wants to deny someone service based on political beliefs, "it would be worth double-checking," he said.
Notable cases involving refusal of service:
- This month, the U.S. Supreme Court handed a victory to a Christian baker from Colorado who refused to make a wedding cake for a gay couple for religious reasons.
- Also this month, a Walgreens pharmacist, because of moral objections, refused to fill an Arizona woman's prescription to induce a miscarriage. Walgreens said they allow for pharmacists to deny service based on moral objections, but the pharmacist should refer the customer to another store.
- In 2012, a woman launched a human rights complaint against a Toronto barbershop that refused to cut her hair. The barbers were Muslim and told her their religion didn't allow them to cut the hair of a woman who is not a member of their family. (The issue was later resolved in a closed-door mediation session, the National Post reported.)
- Also in 2012, a B.C. Human Rights Tribunal ruled that owners of a Grand Forks bed and breakfast illegally discriminated against a gay couple when they denied the pair a room.
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