David Raymond Amos @DavidRayAmos
Clearly Mr Higgs has a plan but the Fat Lady aint sung about the LIEbranos yet N'esy Pas?
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/higgs-gallant-government-1.4866707
Agree to disagree: Gallant, Higgs won't work together to form coalition government
Higgs rejected the idea to work with the Liberals put forward by former PC cabinet minister
Progressive
Conservative Leader Blaine Higgs agrees with Liberal Premier Brian
Gallant on at least one thing: their two parties won't be working
together to form a coalition government.
Higgs rejected the idea put forward by former PC cabinet minister and MP Bud Bird, who urged him and Gallant to work together in the wake of an election that gave neither party a majority.
But Higgs said forming a coalition with the Liberals would be unfair to two smaller parties, the People's Alliance and the Greens, that won three seats each.
"People aren't expecting the Liberals and Conservatives to form any sort of partnership," Higgs said. "They've elected two other parties that cannot and should not be shut out of this process.
"I don't think it's the right thing to do, democratically, to have any sort of agreement between the Liberals and Conservatives. I think we get in the house, we let the process unfold, we have the throne speech and we vote on it."
Liberal
Premier Brian Gallant and Progressive Conservative Leader Blaine Higgs
spoke for the first time since the election on Oct. 11, when they
encountered each other at an orientation session for MLAs. (Jacques Poitras/CBC)
Bird
said in his Oct. 2 letter to the two leaders that they should explore
working together to give the province a stable, moderate government for
four years.
The idea has been endorsed on social media by, among others, former NDP leader Elizabeth Weir and Dallas McCready, a former deputy minister to former PC premier David Alward.
The Liberals won 21 seats in September's vote and the PCs won 22. But Gallant is relying on parliamentary rules to call back the legislature, present a throne speech and seek to win a confidence vote on the speech that would allow him to stay in power.
To do so, he would need the votes of at least one, if not both, of the two smaller parties. Gallant said Tuesday there were too many "fundamental differences" between the Liberals and the PCs to contemplate a power-sharing agreement.
Higgs said the mechanics of two parties working together in government seemed unworkable.
"I can't imagine the practicality of such a model," he said. "There has to be somebody who, through the process, ends up being the government."
Liberal Leader Brian Gallant said he won't be working with the Progressive Conservatives to form a coalition government. (Photo: CBC)
He
said his preference if he becomes premier will be to deal with the
other three parties to win support for legislation one bill at a time.
Higgs spoke to reporters Wednesday after a 30-minute meeting with Gallant. The Liberal premier said he wants to meet all three other party leaders to get their ideas for what should be in the throne speech.
Gallant said the "vast majority" of proposals in the speech will be ideas supported by at least two political parties.
Higgs said the meeting was "pleasant," but he also called it "more of a public relations exercise than anything else."
Gallant disputed that and hinted to reporters that Higgs had not been "polite and cordial" but would not reveal what was said.
"Maybe you can ask Mr. Higgs if he wants to divulge some of the niceties he went through during the discussion, because I certainly missed them," he said.
The PC leader said he and his fellow Tory MLAs will vote against the motion to support the speech, regardless of what it contains.
"It's not about the throne speech," he said. "This is about the last four years of a government that has failed our province. ... It doesn't matter what the throne speech says."
Higgs also acknowledged that part of his hesitation about co-operating with the Liberals comes from the barrage of attack advertising they unleashed on him during the campaign.
"I don't stay awake at night being overly hurt by it, but it's a sad commentary on how one chooses to get elected," he said. "They went well beyond any reasonable approach of trying to make an assessment of an individual.
PC
Leader Blaine Higgs said he wouldn't be able to work with someone who
had just been using attack ads against him in the campaign. (CBC)
"To
me, it says a lot about character. It says a lot about who you can
trust and what the motive is. So for me, personally, it's a hurdle to
cross, but you look beyond those things at a time like this."
Gallant told reporters Wednesday that he was consulting other party leaders because voters sent a message on election day that the two mainstream parties have not co-operated enough over the years.
"We have to humbly admit that we weren't doing enough of it," he said. "I will act to make sure we learn from our mistakes."
Higgs said he has met with all of his MLAs to interview them for potential cabinet positions. If the Liberals lose the Nov. 2 confidence vote, New Brunswick Lt-Gov. Jocelyne Roy Vienneau will call on Higgs to form a government and seek the confidence of the legislature.
But MLAs have to elect a speaker before the house can conduct any business, and both Gallant and Higgs say they won't offer one of their own members to hold the position.
The standings in the legislature are so close that neither party can afford to give up one member to become speaker. The speaker only votes when there are ties.
It's still unclear who will be the Speaker of the house. (Daniel McHardie/CBC)
Gallant said Tuesday that offering a Liberal MLA to be speaker would make governing "a little bit more complicated."
Higgs said Wednesday he's willing to have a PC member become speaker — but only after his party gets to take power.
He said with one more MLA than the Liberals, the PCs could govern more effectively even with one of their members out of the mix.
"I can put a speaker forward and I can still be in a position to effectively win the throne speech," he said.
Higgs rejected the idea put forward by former PC cabinet minister and MP Bud Bird, who urged him and Gallant to work together in the wake of an election that gave neither party a majority.
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But Higgs said forming a coalition with the Liberals would be unfair to two smaller parties, the People's Alliance and the Greens, that won three seats each.
"People aren't expecting the Liberals and Conservatives to form any sort of partnership," Higgs said. "They've elected two other parties that cannot and should not be shut out of this process.
"I don't think it's the right thing to do, democratically, to have any sort of agreement between the Liberals and Conservatives. I think we get in the house, we let the process unfold, we have the throne speech and we vote on it."
The idea has been endorsed on social media by, among others, former NDP leader Elizabeth Weir and Dallas McCready, a former deputy minister to former PC premier David Alward.
'Fundamental differences'
The Liberals won 21 seats in September's vote and the PCs won 22. But Gallant is relying on parliamentary rules to call back the legislature, present a throne speech and seek to win a confidence vote on the speech that would allow him to stay in power.
To do so, he would need the votes of at least one, if not both, of the two smaller parties. Gallant said Tuesday there were too many "fundamental differences" between the Liberals and the PCs to contemplate a power-sharing agreement.
Higgs said the mechanics of two parties working together in government seemed unworkable.
"I can't imagine the practicality of such a model," he said. "There has to be somebody who, through the process, ends up being the government."
Higgs spoke to reporters Wednesday after a 30-minute meeting with Gallant. The Liberal premier said he wants to meet all three other party leaders to get their ideas for what should be in the throne speech.
Gallant said the "vast majority" of proposals in the speech will be ideas supported by at least two political parties.
Higgs said the meeting was "pleasant," but he also called it "more of a public relations exercise than anything else."
Gallant disputed that and hinted to reporters that Higgs had not been "polite and cordial" but would not reveal what was said.
"Maybe you can ask Mr. Higgs if he wants to divulge some of the niceties he went through during the discussion, because I certainly missed them," he said.
The PC leader said he and his fellow Tory MLAs will vote against the motion to support the speech, regardless of what it contains.
"It's not about the throne speech," he said. "This is about the last four years of a government that has failed our province. ... It doesn't matter what the throne speech says."
Bad blood
Higgs also acknowledged that part of his hesitation about co-operating with the Liberals comes from the barrage of attack advertising they unleashed on him during the campaign.
"I don't stay awake at night being overly hurt by it, but it's a sad commentary on how one chooses to get elected," he said. "They went well beyond any reasonable approach of trying to make an assessment of an individual.
Gallant told reporters Wednesday that he was consulting other party leaders because voters sent a message on election day that the two mainstream parties have not co-operated enough over the years.
"We have to humbly admit that we weren't doing enough of it," he said. "I will act to make sure we learn from our mistakes."
Higgs said he has met with all of his MLAs to interview them for potential cabinet positions. If the Liberals lose the Nov. 2 confidence vote, New Brunswick Lt-Gov. Jocelyne Roy Vienneau will call on Higgs to form a government and seek the confidence of the legislature.
Search for a speaker
But MLAs have to elect a speaker before the house can conduct any business, and both Gallant and Higgs say they won't offer one of their own members to hold the position.
The standings in the legislature are so close that neither party can afford to give up one member to become speaker. The speaker only votes when there are ties.
Higgs said Wednesday he's willing to have a PC member become speaker — but only after his party gets to take power.
He said with one more MLA than the Liberals, the PCs could govern more effectively even with one of their members out of the mix.
"I can put a speaker forward and I can still be in a position to effectively win the throne speech," he said.
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Methinks our local provincial politicians have far more important things to argue about lately N'esy Pas?
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/cannabis-legalization-government-nb-liquor-1.4863239
Where New Brunswickers buy cannabis could change if PCs take over
PCs could be sworn into office by mid-November with a chance to change the cannabis retail model
· CBC News · Posted: Oct 15, 2018 1:29 PM AT
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David Amos
Methinks Bud Bird is partaking a day early because he is having quite a pipe dream today N'esy Pas?
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/bud-bird-grand-coalition-1.4864674
David Amos
CBC says the PCs could be
sworn into office by mid-November however there also could be a writ
dropped for another election and if so methinks that the Liberals will
out spend them again N'esy Pas?
David Amos
Methinks our local provincial politicians have far more important things to argue about lately N'esy Pas?
Chuck Stewart
Leave it to Brian Gallant, to
go broke with selling weed, something dealers can make a profit with.
According to Gallant this was going to be the economic savior of the
province, what a joke and now we see his true colours his only concern
is holding on to power for another term, no matter what the cost. Worst
Premier and government in New Brunswick History.
Marc Martin
@Chuck Stewart
*something dealers can make a profit with*
Dealers are criminals and don't pay taxes, at least the money will go to job creation and have a revenue to the province.
*something dealers can make a profit with*
Dealers are criminals and don't pay taxes, at least the money will go to job creation and have a revenue to the province.
@Marc Martin "at least the money will go to job creation and have a revenue to the province."
Too Too Funny
Too Too Funny
Marc Martin
@Shawn McShane
*Some cannabis companies turning to temporary foreign worker program ahead of legalization.*
I am not surprised, the people in NB don't want to work, there are over 2000 positions on job bank not filled. Its like the group that feel entitled they should get a government job even if they don't have the requirement to do so.
*Some cannabis companies turning to temporary foreign worker program ahead of legalization.*
I am not surprised, the people in NB don't want to work, there are over 2000 positions on job bank not filled. Its like the group that feel entitled they should get a government job even if they don't have the requirement to do so.
Marc Martin
@Shawn McShane
*NBers are paying for NB students to learn to grow pot in Dieppe*
NBers are paying for a lot more then pot grower jobs...
*NBers are paying for NB students to learn to grow pot in Dieppe*
NBers are paying for a lot more then pot grower jobs...
Marc Martin
@David Amos
Prove me wrong....
Prove me wrong....
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David Amos
David Amos
@Marc Martin Methinks there is no need to prove a negative to a troll all the down votes against you tell the tale N'esy Pas?
David Amos
@Marc Martin I did and was blocked as usual
SarahRose Werner
The stores are ready to go in
any case, and we don't know how well (or badly) they're going to do yet
because we've never done this before. How about instead of jumping to a
new model, we run the one we have ready, gather some data on how it's
doing and then decide whether or not we want to change?
Marc Martin
@Greg Smith
The organized crime samples are not pure you don't even know what they have in it.
The organized crime samples are not pure you don't even know what they have in it.
Marc Martin
@Samuel Porter
*Fake Weed sells for about $1500/lb now*
I corrected you.
*Fake Weed sells for about $1500/lb now*
I corrected you.
Marc Martin
@Greg Smith
I have not watched any documentaries, I come from a rural community and I know for a fact that the dealers do not receive pure cannabis.
I have not watched any documentaries, I come from a rural community and I know for a fact that the dealers do not receive pure cannabis.
Marc Martin
@Greg Smith
Some people don't like when the facts are true....right ?
Some people don't like when the facts are true....right ?
Marc Martin
@Jeff LeBlanc
You seem knowledgeable ? I've seen people add tea, normal grass, what about you ?
You seem knowledgeable ? I've seen people add tea, normal grass, what about you ?
@Marc Martin a fact? you should move to a different community before someone in yours poisons you. sounds like quite the place.
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David Amos
David Amos
@Marc Martin "I know for a fact that the dealers do not receive pure cannabis."
Methinks we should ask how is it that you know that N'esy Pas?
Methinks we should ask how is it that you know that N'esy Pas?
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David Amos
David Amos
@Marc Martin "Some people don't like when the facts are true....right ?"
Methinks everybody knows that you hate dealing with the truth N'esy Pas?
Methinks everybody knows that you hate dealing with the truth N'esy Pas?
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David Amos
David Amos
@Marc Martin "I know for a fact that the dealers do not receive pure cannabis."
Methinks certain people should find that an interesting statement N'esy Pas?
Methinks certain people should find that an interesting statement N'esy Pas?
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David Amos
David Amos
@Marc Martin "Some people don't like when the facts are true....right ?"
Methinks everybody can figure out why all 3 of my replies to you were blocked N'esy Pas?
Methinks everybody can figure out why all 3 of my replies to you were blocked N'esy Pas?
David Amos
@Marc Martin Methinks trying to reply to you within this thread is like flogging a dead horse N'esy Pas?
Samuel Porter
Call a new election and open up the market. Pc's will be a shoe in. ( not that I'm a PC or LIB ).
David Amos
@Samuel Porter It would not be wise to bet the farm on it
Jake Quinlan
Assuming NB Liquor employees
will work the stores? There's your price gap there relative to black
market. Unionized cashiers require higher product prices (less
competitive) to cover their wages.
Marc Martin
@Jake Quinlan
And dealers do not pay taxes on what they sell so your point is useless.
And dealers do not pay taxes on what they sell so your point is useless.
Marc Martin
@Paul Black
*they need to be all laid off and the outlets privatized and staffed by the new owners. Same with booze.*
Yes, give more money to the private sector so they can pay minimum wage and buy bigger trucks and boats and take more vacations to the south...You must have voted PANB.
*they need to be all laid off and the outlets privatized and staffed by the new owners. Same with booze.*
Yes, give more money to the private sector so they can pay minimum wage and buy bigger trucks and boats and take more vacations to the south...You must have voted PANB.
David Amos
@Marc Martin "your point is useless."
Methinks you have yet to make a point N'esy Pas?
Methinks you have yet to make a point N'esy Pas?
David Amos
@Marc Martin "You must have voted PANB."
Methinks everybody knows who you vote for N'esy Pas?
Methinks everybody knows who you vote for N'esy Pas?
Marc Martin
@David Amos
*Methinks you have yet to make a point N'esy Pas?*
I did, government monitored = job creation and taxes
Drug dealers = no tax money and selling to minors to addict them and to put more pressure on our health system.
*Methinks you have yet to make a point N'esy Pas?*
I did, government monitored = job creation and taxes
Drug dealers = no tax money and selling to minors to addict them and to put more pressure on our health system.
Marc Martin
@David Amos
*Methinks everybody knows who you vote for N'esy Pas?*
The last 2 election I voted Liberals, they are the only ones who stand up for French rights.
*Methinks everybody knows who you vote for N'esy Pas?*
The last 2 election I voted Liberals, they are the only ones who stand up for French rights.
David Amos
@Marc Martin Methinks you just proved my point for me N'esy Pas?
Shawn McShane
New Brunswick based
Organigram “accompanied government personnel and representatives of
other manufacturing companies on recruiting trips to Mexico and the
Philippines.”
We have students in NB learning to grow pot on the taxpayer dime while the Liberals go abroad for workers...in this place!
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/cannabis-students-growing-course-1.4538999
https://business.financialpost.com/cannabis/some-cannabis-companies-turning-to-temporary-foreign-worker-program-ahead-of-legalization
We have students in NB learning to grow pot on the taxpayer dime while the Liberals go abroad for workers...in this place!
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/cannabis-students-growing-course-1.4538999
https://business.financialpost.com/cannabis/some-cannabis-companies-turning-to-temporary-foreign-worker-program-ahead-of-legalization
David Amos
@Shawn McShane Welcome to the Circus
Jeff LeBlanc
There was plenty of good
dispensaries that I used to frequent until they all got shut down. They
should be allowed to reopen and pay the government a license fee to
operate. By far their staff are more educated and passionate about their
craft. I can't see a government employee being the same.
Marc Martin
@Jeff LeBlanc
*There was plenty of good *illegal* dispensaries that I used to frequent until they all got shut down*
I corrected it for you Jeff, your welcome.
*There was plenty of good *illegal* dispensaries that I used to frequent until they all got shut down*
I corrected it for you Jeff, your welcome.
Marguerite Deschamps
@Marc Martin, a PA supporter and a pot head, go figure!
Marc Martin
@Marguerite Deschamps
You have also noticed all the PANB supporters are the ones complaining regarding this subject?
You have also noticed all the PANB supporters are the ones complaining regarding this subject?
Marc Martin
@Paul Black
*The laws are illegal*
Why ?
*The laws are illegal*
Why ?
Jeff LeBlanc
@Marguerite Deschamps you just aged yourself big time with that post
Jeff LeBlanc
@Marc Martin ever notice how
many thumbs down your posts get. Seriously go back and look at your
profile, you can comment all you want but your efforts are futile, you
can't even type in proper sentences and your English and grammar are
horrible. Why not give it a rest?
Marc Martin
@Jeff LeBlanc
*you can't even type in proper sentences and your English and grammar are horrible. *
You don't read a lot of your anti-French buddy posts do ya ?
*you can comment all you want but your efforts are futile*
If they are why read them ?
*you can't even type in proper sentences and your English and grammar are horrible. *
You don't read a lot of your anti-French buddy posts do ya ?
*you can comment all you want but your efforts are futile*
If they are why read them ?
Marc Martin
@Jeff LeBlanc
*is part of the vocal minority*
My minority got the popular vote at 38% what about yours ?
*is part of the vocal minority*
My minority got the popular vote at 38% what about yours ?
Marc Martin
@Marguerite Deschamps
That was a threat.
That was a threat.
David Amos
@Marc Martin "My minority got the popular vote at 38% what about yours ?"
Methinks you have yet to figure out who I am merely because I did not get many votes in the six elections I ran in N'esy Pas?
Methinks you have yet to figure out who I am merely because I did not get many votes in the six elections I ran in N'esy Pas?
David Amos
@Marc Martin "That was a threat."
Nope anyone can read this comment section if they care
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/fundy-royal-riding-profile-1.3274276
Nope anyone can read this comment section if they care
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/fundy-royal-riding-profile-1.3274276
David Amos
@Marguerite Deschamps Methinks you should say Hey to your pal Judge Richard Bell N'esy Pas?
Marc Martin
@David Amos
Your in need of attention today Davis ?
Your in need of attention today Davis ?
David Amos
@Jeff LeBlanc "ever notice
how many thumbs down your posts get. Seriously go back and look at your
profile, you can comment all you want but your efforts are futile,"
I agree
I agree
Rod McLeod
Good luck with that, Blaine.
NB Liquor's strangle-hold will continue with Cannabis-NB. While I love
the idea of it, it'll never happen. If it does happen, maybe you could
do the same with NB Liquor.
Marc Martin
@Rod McLeod
Why would you want to remove NB Liquor the only government agency that makes money ? You must have voted for PANB right ?
Why would you want to remove NB Liquor the only government agency that makes money ? You must have voted for PANB right ?
Rod McLeod
@Marc Martin
Cannabis-NB-Liquor is a gouge operation with no competition. What I'm
doing is agreeing to having some competition. We just watched their
strong arm tactics with the cross border issue. These are purely scam
operations. I've no doubt that the black market issue with cannabis will
still do just fine after Wednesday. The reason: no competition which
will drive inflated prices; just like alcohol.
Marc Martin
@Rod McLeod
Alcohol is a privilege not a necessity, you don't have the money to buy it then don't. Privatizing alcohol will only put more money into business and wont be reinvested into the public.
Alcohol is a privilege not a necessity, you don't have the money to buy it then don't. Privatizing alcohol will only put more money into business and wont be reinvested into the public.
*I've no doubt that the black market issue with cannabis will still do just fine after Wednesday*
That the people choice I guess, you can buy good beer or make your own... The same thing will apply to cannabis you can buy the right stuff or buy the diluted and mixed with all short of stuff rom drug dealers.
David Amos
@Marc Martin "That the people
choice I guess, you can buy good beer or make your own... The same
thing will apply to cannabis you can buy the right stuff or buy the
diluted and mixed with all short of stuff rom drug dealers."
Methinks you seem rather bitter about something N'esy Pas?
Methinks you seem rather bitter about something N'esy Pas?
David Amos
@Marc Martin "You must have voted for PANB right ?"
Methinks it is not illegal to vote for the PANB yet N'esy Pas?
Methinks it is not illegal to vote for the PANB yet N'esy Pas?
Marc Martin
@David Amos
What are you talking about again Davis ?
What are you talking about again Davis ?
Marc Martin
@David Amos
*Methinks it is not illegal to vote for the PANB yet N'esy Pas?*
I never said it was...
.
*Methinks it is not illegal to vote for the PANB yet N'esy Pas?*
I never said it was...
.
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David Amos
David Amos
@Marc Martin Methinks Mr Leblanc has you figured out. I would lay odds that he understands Chiac as well N'esy Pas?
David Amos
@Marc Martin Yea Right
Paul Black
Government should not be in
the business of running a business. They can’t get it right. They’re
role is to create a framework for private enterprise to compete on a
level playing field. This liberal nanny state stuff has to end. Premier
Higgs will be sworn in soon.
Marc Martin
@Paul Black
They are trying to fight the black market dealers and control it, its a drug all drugs are controlled in civilized worlds.
They are trying to fight the black market dealers and control it, its a drug all drugs are controlled in civilized worlds.
David Amos
@Marc Martin "its a drug all drugs are controlled in civilized worlds"
Methinks if it such a nasty drug then your liberal pals should not have legalized it N'esy Pas?
Methinks if it such a nasty drug then your liberal pals should not have legalized it N'esy Pas?
Marc Martin
@David Amos
A lot of drugs are legalized you didn't know ?
A lot of drugs are legalized you didn't know ?
David Amos
@Marc Martin Methinks folks
who know me well know that I know far more about politicking than you
ever will. Furthermore they know that the government makes far too much
off of my addiction to nicotine but they are thankful that I never had
a beer in my life and I seldom take a drink of wine or booze anymore.
Hard to believe but nevertheless true N'esy Pas?
Marc Martin
@David Amos
Cannabis is only legal tomorrow Davis.
Cannabis is only legal tomorrow Davis.
David Amos
@Marc Martin I don't smoke
dope so I will let you and your heroes Brian Gallant and Trudeau The
Younger worry about tomorrow. Methinks everybody know why am too busy
with "The Donald" the Yankee mid term elections Its called an October
Surprise N'esy Pas?
Michael durant
Organigram in Moncton used a
fungicide supplied by Dow chemical which was approved by Health Canada.
When medical marijuana smokers began getting very ill Dow chemical was
contacted and explained their product should never be inhaled. It was
designed to be ingested in the gut and not the lungs. Health Canada
missed that bit of info, what else are they missing in their "approved"
facilities?
David Amos
@Michael durant Good Point Sir
Rosco holt
And again government will shoot itself in the foot to profit their friends.
If privatize, only those close the Conservatives party will be chosen and with it all of the profit minus licenses, taxes & fees.
If privatize, only those close the Conservatives party will be chosen and with it all of the profit minus licenses, taxes & fees.
David Amos
@Rosco holt YUP
Rob Williams
"It's a very strongly educated guess that we would maybe not break even but be close to that by the end of the year."
Wow, and that's despite charging twice as much for product than what the street does. Aaaaand despite that product being sub-par compared to that street stuff.
This whole thing is being handled by people who can't even begin to understand the basics of the market. No one who uses cannabis now is going to likely go legal when it costs twice as much and doesn't even look good. Pictures I've seen posted on CBC before have inspired zero confidence.
There's a difference between liquor and cannabis. People can't easily get off-market beer, so they put up with asinine prices. People -can- easily get off-market weed, that's not only cheaper, but better.
How long until they learn this lesson?
Wow, and that's despite charging twice as much for product than what the street does. Aaaaand despite that product being sub-par compared to that street stuff.
This whole thing is being handled by people who can't even begin to understand the basics of the market. No one who uses cannabis now is going to likely go legal when it costs twice as much and doesn't even look good. Pictures I've seen posted on CBC before have inspired zero confidence.
There's a difference between liquor and cannabis. People can't easily get off-market beer, so they put up with asinine prices. People -can- easily get off-market weed, that's not only cheaper, but better.
How long until they learn this lesson?
David Amos
@Rob Williams "How long until they learn this lesson?"
Methinks your question is rhetorical in nature N'esy Pas?
Methinks your question is rhetorical in nature N'esy Pas?
Joseph Vacher
government should step back
and let private corp. do 100% of this. Why the hell are we paying tax
dollars for cashiers to sell goverrnments controlled anything
David Amos
@Joseph Vacher Methinks it is just another cash cow for the government's political pals N'esy Pas?
Marc Martin
@Joseph Vacher
Yes lets give it to private CORP and let them create the minimum wage jobs so they can keep more money to buy big trucks, big boats and go on more trips to the south....
Yes lets give it to private CORP and let them create the minimum wage jobs so they can keep more money to buy big trucks, big boats and go on more trips to the south....
David Amos
@Marc Martin Methinks the government should not have all the fun N'esy Pas?
Marc Martin
@David Amos
Actually the way it implemented right now you have more people able to enjoy a decent wage instead of a few individuals.
Actually the way it implemented right now you have more people able to enjoy a decent wage instead of a few individuals.
David Amos
@Marc Martin So says an
overpaid bureaucrat whose salary and pension are supported byway of the
Crown's taxes on way too many folks who are forced to work for a minimum
wage that he would consider a mere pittance N'esy Pas?
Allan J Whitney
Anybody think people are
going to buy this grossly overpriced product when they can grow it
themselves for almost nothing? Heaven only knows what it will have been
sprayed with.
They are already relocating their grow ops to foreign countries where production costs are one thirtieth what they are here.
They are already relocating their grow ops to foreign countries where production costs are one thirtieth what they are here.
David Amos
@Allan J Whitney Methinks
that is par for the course of the liberals in their failed efforts of
making work for Maritimers N'esy Pas?
Matt Steele
Just another Brian Gallant
failure . It looks like Gallant was more interested in creating high
paying govt. jobs for his buddies than he was in trying to save
taxpayers money . Why pay high prices at a govt. store when users can
grow it themselves , or buy it on the street for a fraction of the price
. Luckily for New Brunswicker's , Gallant lost the election before he
can do any more damage....Bye Bye Brian !!!
Rosco holt
@Matt Steele
Didn't the Alward government do the same thing?
What her name again, the one that resign being an MLA and given a administrative job in NBPower. Then there's also Alward exchange his job of PM for diplomat in Boston.
Didn't the Alward government do the same thing?
What her name again, the one that resign being an MLA and given a administrative job in NBPower. Then there's also Alward exchange his job of PM for diplomat in Boston.
Colin Seeley
@Rosco holt
Not the same thing at all. Alward is gone. We kicked him out.
Now it’s Gallant’s turn to be licked out.
Bye Bye. Brian !! Sadly Rogers is still getting paid by me.
Not the same thing at all. Alward is gone. We kicked him out.
Now it’s Gallant’s turn to be licked out.
Bye Bye. Brian !! Sadly Rogers is still getting paid by me.
Rosco holt
@Colin Seeley
He wasn't kicked out, he left before he was kicked out.
He wasn't kicked out, he left before he was kicked out.
Samuel Porter
@Rosco holt Now if Nb voters would just get some gonads, and quit voting for the old boys clubs....
.
.
Rosco holt
@Colin Seeley
What about Margaret-Ann Blaney, she was given another government job that paid just has well has being an MLA.
What about Margaret-Ann Blaney, she was given another government job that paid just has well has being an MLA.
David Amos
@Rosco holt Methinks the NDP dude has a selective memory N'esy Pas?
David Amos
@Samuel Porter "Now if Nb voters would just get some gonads"
I agree
I agree
Marc Martin
@Matt Steele
*Why pay high prices at a govt. store when users can grow it themselves , or buy it on the street for a fraction of the price *
Because its a drug and it needs to be monitored, all drugs are monitored by the way didn't you know ?
*buy it on the street for a fraction of the price*
And this is the type of people who voted for the Cons and PANB....
*Why pay high prices at a govt. store when users can grow it themselves , or buy it on the street for a fraction of the price *
Because its a drug and it needs to be monitored, all drugs are monitored by the way didn't you know ?
*buy it on the street for a fraction of the price*
And this is the type of people who voted for the Cons and PANB....
David Amos
@Marc Martin So says a liberal bureaucrat N'esy Pas?
Marc Martin
@David Amos
*So says a liberal bureaucrat N'esy Pas?*
That is not possible unless you work under the party itself, im glad I educated you on this you can say ty now.
*So says a liberal bureaucrat N'esy Pas?*
That is not possible unless you work under the party itself, im glad I educated you on this you can say ty now.
David Amos
@Marc Martin "im glad I educated you on this you can say ty now."
Dream on and when you wake up say hey to your boss for me will ya?
Dream on and when you wake up say hey to your boss for me will ya?
Thomas Davie
I live in another province
and was able to create an account w/my real address. Wonder if it'll
choke when I try to check out tomorrow night.
I'm on medical retirement so I may as well see how many provincial stores, if any, I can buy from.
Tom
I'm on medical retirement so I may as well see how many provincial stores, if any, I can buy from.
Tom
David Amos
@Thomas Davie Good Luck
Samuel Porter
There is no such thing as a locked tight contract. Just ask Frank McKenna.
Rosco holt
@Samuel Porter
Contracts with the NB government aren't what the used to.
Contracts with the NB government aren't what the used to.
David Amos
@Samuel Porter Oh So True
Jeff Smith
A lot of people are going to
buy it at the beginning just for the joy of legally buying cannabis -
then it's going to drop off, as competition with 4 home grown plants and
"gifts" kicks in.
David Amos
@Jeff Smith I concur
David Amos
@Jeff Smith Methinks a lot of the first purchases will never be smoked and turned into collectors items N'esy Pas?
stephen blunston
smartest thing I heard in
awhile no need to have another crown corp that has unreasonable overhead
like NB liquor, their needs to be tough rules and regulations but the
government needs to stay away from running businesses they just make it
too costly , maybe a cannabis place that regulates and sells to the
store, but not on the retail side
David Amos
@stephen blunston Methinks the government will never rid us of its latest cash cow N'esy Pas?
Marc Martin
@stephen blunston
* crown corp that has unreasonable overhead like NB liquor*
The only crown corp that makes money you do know that right?
* crown corp that has unreasonable overhead like NB liquor*
The only crown corp that makes money you do know that right?
Bernard McIntyre
@Marc Martin. Yes they could make more money, you do know that right?
David Amos
@Bernard McIntyre Methinks
you should forget trying to argue an overpaid liberal pundit That dog
don't hunt he just barks at people N'esy Pas?
Darren J Taylor
What kind of idiot is going to pay almost $300 an ounce??
David Amos
@Darren J Taylor Wealthy ones
Bernard McIntyre
I wrote about the same thing
in yesterday's comment that the private sector should have run the pot
stores instead of government wasting tax payer's money. The same as
alcohol N.B . Sell it and the government would still make money if not
more from taxes , no expenses. The money from the sale goes to pay down
our deficit. The government has proven that it can't run business and
not just the current government but past also. Example our Provincial
deficit getting close to 15 billion
David Amos
@Bernard McIntyre "Provincial deficit getting close to 15 billion"
Methinks many political pundits know that I told the folks my solution to that problem in a debate and on the TV during this election which is being much disputed right now N'esy Pas?
Methinks many political pundits know that I told the folks my solution to that problem in a debate and on the TV during this election which is being much disputed right now N'esy Pas?
Marc Martin
@Bernard McIntyre
*Sell it and the government would still make money if not more from taxes , no expenses. *
Yeah sell it to a private Corp to have them create minimum salary jobs and to able them to buy a bigger boat, car and travel more....Alcohol and Cannabis is not a necessity, if you cant afford it don't buy it.
*Sell it and the government would still make money if not more from taxes , no expenses. *
Yeah sell it to a private Corp to have them create minimum salary jobs and to able them to buy a bigger boat, car and travel more....Alcohol and Cannabis is not a necessity, if you cant afford it don't buy it.
David Amos
@Marc Martin Methinks you are being rather redundant N'esy Pas?
Bernard McIntyre
@David Amos. I don't know. I
can't ansewer that question scince I don't remember of hearing you ask a
question on the tv debate for this election. But saying this I never
watched all the debates It's hard to watch something when no one shows
any respect towards other people.
Marc Martin
@David Amos
You think too much, your going to overwhelm yourself, relax, don't be so angry Davis.
You think too much, your going to overwhelm yourself, relax, don't be so angry Davis.
Bernard McIntyre
@Marc Martin. You can stop repeating your self . No one is listening.
David Amos
@Bernard McIntyre "The same
as alcohol N.B . Sell it and the government would still make money if
not more from taxes , no expenses."
I agree let private businesses sell the dope just like they do cigarettes and now some booze
Methinks that whereas the Tax Man is involved with cannabis they will come down hard on the illegal sale of it just like they do with tobacco and cross border booze N'esy Pas?
I agree let private businesses sell the dope just like they do cigarettes and now some booze
Methinks that whereas the Tax Man is involved with cannabis they will come down hard on the illegal sale of it just like they do with tobacco and cross border booze N'esy Pas?
Bernard McIntyre
@David Amos .I don't believe your the angry one here.
David Amos
@Bernard McIntyre "It's hard to watch something when no one shows any respect towards other people."
Google Fundy Royal Debate
Google Fundy Royal Debate
David Amos
@Bernard McIntyre "I don't believe your the angry one here."
Methinks if you can't find some fun the madness you will go crazy just like my political foes in Canada and the USA have falsely claimed that I am and had me illegally arrested and falsely imprisoned in both countries N'esy Pas?
Methinks if you can't find some fun the madness you will go crazy just like my political foes in Canada and the USA have falsely claimed that I am and had me illegally arrested and falsely imprisoned in both countries N'esy Pas?
Marc Martin
@Bernard McIntyre
I wasn't aware you could listen to posts on a website....
I wasn't aware you could listen to posts on a website....
David Amos
@Marc Martin Methinks most folks know what YouTube is N'esy Pas?
Martine Stevenson
Of course change everything, New Brunswick has so much money.
David Amos
@Martine Stevenson Methinks many a true word is said in jest N'esy Pas?
Martine Stevenson
@David Amos ??????????
David Amos
@Martine Stevenson I figured you were not serious
Martine Stevenson
@David Amos . LOL! maximum sarcastic.
Al Bekirkey
it doesnt matter their isnt
enough supply in the legal market right now the person that sets up a
few reliable testing facilities to take in overproduction from the
public and sell to private stores should be the gov perogative
Al Bekirkey
@Al Bekirkey the person that
sets that facility will be the person that keeps this game going and
really this company should be the crown control not the stores the
stores should be run by the ma and pa outfits
David Amos
@Al Bekirkey Methinks many a Ma and Pa Outfit agree with you N'esy Pas?
Anne Bérubé
Well, isn't a more pressing
issue that getting stoned a.s.a.p. here? For God's sake, give your
little heads a shake, this country went from NO SMOKING signs to PLEASE
SMOKE POT, WE NEED THE MONEY in a heartbeat. Is this real? Shame on this
federal government.
David Amos
@Anne Bérubé I truly believe
that legalizing dope was the big reason the liberals won the last time
folks voted. The next election folks will affirm whether or not the
liberals are a one trick pony or if they will get lucky and Maxime's new
political party splits the vote on the right. Either way 2019 will be
interesting and all the political pundit know why I look forward to the
Circus r in Fundy Royal next yea. Methinks elections are for the benefit
of more than the middle class, out of work potash miners, and wealthy
dairy farmers. Folks collecting the minimum wage and pensioners pay
taxes too N'esy Pas?
Fundy Royal campaign targets middle class with focus on jobs
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/fundy-royal-riding-profile-1.3274276
Where New Brunswickers buy cannabis could change if PCs take over
PCs could be sworn into office by mid-November with a chance to change the cannabis retail model
They say the current design — 20 government-owned retail stores around the province — is "quite flexible" and could be changed.
- Cannabis NB expects sales of $45M in first year
- What you need to know about legal weed in the Maritimes
- New Cannabis NB stores to market weed for different 'occasions'
"We have leases to consider. There are a number of different factors to consider. It would probably be a matter of months, I'd say, not days."
Cannabis becomes legal in Canada on Wednesday.
Each province decides own system
Different provinces have adopted different systems for regulating the legal sale of the drug, with New Brunswick's Liberal government opting for a chain of 20 stores operated by a subsidiary of NB Liquor.
The opposition Progressive Conservatives have called for a greater role for the private sector, predicting the government-run model will be a money loser.
CBC News
'We'll have a range of products that will range form $8 a gram to $16 a gram'
Cannabis NB CEO Brian Harriman talks about what the province's cannabis stores are expecting come legalization on Wednesday. 0:48
Last
month's election left both parties with no majority in the legislature.
The Liberals will try to govern by winning a confidence vote in the
legislature with the support of at least one of the smaller parties that won seats.- Cannabis NB's online store posts price list, instructions for rolling joints
- Liberals intend to form government, although Tories win more seats
CBC News
'The only legal place to buy cannabis is from a Cannabis NB store or from Cannabis NB's website'
Deputy minister of
finance Nicole Picot reminds New Brunswickers of some of the basic
ground rules regarding the purchase, transport and consumption of legal
cannabis. 0:48
On the CBC political panel,
PC MLA Ross Wetmore said the party wants to "expand" the retail system
and will review existing contracts that have been signed to see what can
be done."It could be locked-tight contracts that are signed and we can't do anything to get out of them," he said.
A 'tight, high-government-oversight model'
"We are essentially operating under a service contract with the Province of New Brunswick," said NB Liquor CEO Brian Harriman. "We are in essence a franchisee."
"If the province chose to add other retailers or to switch to a mixed or a private market, it's an option, but it's not something we can turn on overnight. It's certainly something that's possible."
Liberal Finance Minister Cathy Rogers said the government opted to start with "a tight,
high-government-oversight model" because some U.S. states that legalized cannabis said it had been a mistake to start out "loosely."
CBC News
CBC NB Political Panel October 12
The political panel discusses the various political parties' approaches to retail sales of marijuana. 18:17
"Their advice is they wouldn't do that again," Rogers said on the political panel.
Harriman was part of the task force that recommended a strict government-run model. He said it was best suited to match the federal government's mandate of shrinking the criminal cannabis market and protecting children.
"This was the model we felt best delivered on the mandate," he said.
PC Leader Blaine Higgs predicted repeatedly during the election campaign that the system would see taxpayers lose money on sales.
The province had projected $6 million in tax revenue and $1.2 million in store profits in the 2018-19 fiscal year when legalization was set for July 1.
But when delays to passing federal legislation pushed the legalization date to this week — meaning sales for a smaller part of the fiscal year — the projections shrank.
Tax revenue is now expected to be $3.6 million. The figure for store profits was not available Monday but Finance Department spokesperson Sarah Bustard said overall, the impact on the provincial budget would be neutral this year.
Harriman said because it's a new market, the corporation won't really be able to forecast its sales revenue until the stores open.
"Until that happens, we don't know," he said.
But with start-up costs, including the construction of stores, on the books this year, "It's a very strongly educated guess that we would maybe not break even but be close to that by the end of the year."
Harriman said that he expects the stores will turn a profit for the government in fiscal 2019-2020.
Harriman was part of the task force that recommended a strict government-run model. He said it was best suited to match the federal government's mandate of shrinking the criminal cannabis market and protecting children.
"This was the model we felt best delivered on the mandate," he said.
PCs predict losses
PC Leader Blaine Higgs predicted repeatedly during the election campaign that the system would see taxpayers lose money on sales.
The province had projected $6 million in tax revenue and $1.2 million in store profits in the 2018-19 fiscal year when legalization was set for July 1.
But when delays to passing federal legislation pushed the legalization date to this week — meaning sales for a smaller part of the fiscal year — the projections shrank.
Might near breaking even
Tax revenue is now expected to be $3.6 million. The figure for store profits was not available Monday but Finance Department spokesperson Sarah Bustard said overall, the impact on the provincial budget would be neutral this year.
Harriman said because it's a new market, the corporation won't really be able to forecast its sales revenue until the stores open.
"Until that happens, we don't know," he said.
But with start-up costs, including the construction of stores, on the books this year, "It's a very strongly educated guess that we would maybe not break even but be close to that by the end of the year."
Harriman said that he expects the stores will turn a profit for the government in fiscal 2019-2020.
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