Methinks CBC should allow me to remind peoplekind of a very simple rule "He With The Gold Makes The Rules" N'esy Pas?.

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Methinks CBC should allow me to remind peoplekind of a very simple rule "He With The Gold Makes The Rules" N'esy Pas?  

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'Striking' APEC confrontation causes uncertainty ahead of G20

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Dax Randall

There are lots of Anti Canada posters again today.

Sorry Vlad. Canada is not buying it.

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Oliver Welch

@Dax Randall

Canada is not doing anything.....except losing major ground in a "booming economy...

GDP lowest since 2011....TSX worst performing index of the G7 countries....

try some.....

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Dax Randall

@Oliver Welch

If you actually lived here you would know that the economy is so strong that it is impossible to find staff.

Sorry Russia, real economies work well.

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David Amos

@Dax Randall "If you actually lived here you would know that the economy is so strong that it is impossible to find staff. "

Methinks you should come down to Fundy Royal and explain your opinion to the peoplekind in Sussex N'esy Pas?

 

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Naomi Forbes

Is that really Mike Pence or his cardboard cutout - don't know which one is scarier Trump or Evangelical man Pence!

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David Amos

@Naomi Forbes "don't know which one is scarier Trump or Evangelical man Pence!"

Methinks many would agree that Pence is Trump's puppet master N'esy Pas?

mark moncton

More than 85 % of China’s GDP is now from domestic demand. China also is the world largest trading partners with countries around the world. US miscalculated and vastly underestimated China’s determination to hit back hard against US. Trade war is only punishing the US consumers. Thousands of owners and CEOs in US from big, mid and small corporations protest Trump's trade war seriously hurt, cripple and bankrupt their businesses. All leading economists and Winners of the Nobel Prize for Economics point out that that trade with China, the result would be a crisis in the U.S. economy. Isolationism and protectionism will not work. Actually, China exports to US surges by 15 % last month. Economics Study Shows that 70 % of US import goods, components and products from China is non-replaceable. Million others will require many years or decades to search and qualify for application in US by alternatives. China is not only in retaliatory tariffs against the U.S, but will ban critical components to supply to US firms such as Apple, GM, Intel …These US corporations sold a 380 billion dollars goods in China( Not in US trade figure). GM operations in US and worldwide are losing money for years. GM profits substantially from Chinese market all those years. GM sold four million cars in China last year. Chinese retaliation will push GM and other US corporations out of Chinese market, and push US GM into bankruptcy ( So far China has not done that yet). China can also dump the US bounds in the open international market and no longer to support US currency. An overwhelming majority of economists believe Trump's trade war will harm the US economy, and tip its economy into a recession in 2019.

http://www.iiss.com/html/article/20184/3/a164bb.html

David Amos

@mark moncton 'Almost all economies and entire world have joined China-led Asian Infrastructure Investment Bank with 87 founding members( more founding members than IMF (30) and world Bank (20) "

Methinks beyond this point there be dragons N'esy Pas?

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David Amos

@mark moncton Trust that I follow money too

https://www.scribd.com/doc/2718120/integrity-yea-right

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David Amos
@mark moncton Its too bad my link to inform you of something important was blocked Try Googling the following if you truly care and this comment is allowed to be posted

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John Pokiok

@Marie Price I can't because I'm an immigrant and English is not my first language however your buddy Trudeau truly looks lost and no one in the world cares for his opinion. However they do care for the money that he easily spends and tax us carbon tax rings the bell.

Marie Price

@John Pokiok Clean up your grammar and get new eyeglasses. Trudeau looks great and sounded even better.

John Smithson

@John Pokiok
It's evident that at the staff meeting this morning the agreed-upon attack would be "deer in the headlights".

 

David Amos

@Marie Price "Trudeau looks great and sounded even better."

Too Too Funny

David Allan

@John Pokiok

Do you have an actual point, or are you just hanging your entire post on the timing of a photo?

David Amos

@John Pokiok "Trudeau truly looks lost and no one in the world cares for his opinion."

I agree

David Amos

@John Smithson "It's evident that at the staff meeting this morning"

Methinks you should be fair and reveal what was said during your staff meeting this morning N'esy Pas?

Richard Sharp

@John Pokiok

CBC does the same for Sajjan, publishing him looking stunned. It’s obviously on purpose and doubly so when you check out the favourable photos of Scheer and other Cons.

John Oaktree

@John Pokiok

ROFL!!! Meanwhile Conservatives are still blaming all of Canada's woes on Pierre Elliot Trudeau who's been dead for 19 years...

David Amos

@Richard Sharp "It’s obviously on purpose and doubly so when you check out the favourable photos of Scheer and other Cons."

Methinks thou doth jest too much N'esy Pas?

David Amos

@John Oaktree Methinks you don't like my opinion about the malicious actions of Trudeau the Elder which is fine by me However everybody knows I am no Conservative N'esy Pas?

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David Amos

@Neil Turv "david (like Trump) is not interested in facts."

Methinks the same can be said of you correct? Anyone can Google the following and ask Minister Bill Morneau or Trump's ex lawyer if I am a am a liar or not N'esy Pas?

trump cohen amos Morneau nafta tpp fatca

David Amos

@Neil Turv "david like Trump must flood the board (or twitter) with multiple rambling posts stating essentially the same thing. "

YEA??? Methinks you should check out page 2 of this old file I posted in my Twitter yesterday and wonder if Trump's lawyer Mikey Cohen has discussed it with his new US Special Counsel pal Mr Meuller

Even if the link is blocked anyone can Google Mr Mueller David Amos and check out my Twitter Account that you lament about and download it from there N'esy Pas?

David Amos

@David Amos Go Figure

https://www.scribd.com/document/2619437/CROSS-BORDER

  
Richard Dunphy
The dominance of China in world trade is now virtually assured by the weak and dangerously wrongheaded US political leadership.

The best Canada can hope for is that we are successful with our efforts to expand trade.

David Amos 

@Richard Dunphy Many moons ago Trudeau the Elder while ignoring the sleeping dragon overseas and teasing Russians in a Cold War compared us with Yankees as a mouse being in bed with an elephant. Justin's Papa Pierre played his wicked games with the Bank of Canada and Castro etc order to become a big dude in the UN. Obviously Harper did not care about the UN just like his buddy Georgey Boy Bush and the evil lawyer Bolton never did.

Whereas Trudeau The Elder tied our little loonie to the US petrodollar and the bankster's Federal Reserve System long ago there may do no escape for us from the pending economic collapse. Obviously for years Harper and now Trudeau The Younger ignored the fact that the Russians and Chinese had been buying gold by the ton and yet are wondering why Pence and Trump are talking tough to China today while the USA is so deeply in debt it can never pay back what it owes? Seems to me thay are picking a fight on several fronts.

Methinks CBC should allow me to remind peoplekind of a very simple rule "He With The Gold Makes The Rules" N'esy Pas?

david mccaig

@Richard Dunphy

There's also no doubt conservatives on this page that want our Prime Minister to fail at APEC , also think Donald Trump is a great leader.

David Amos

@david mccaig Yea right

mark moncton

Many clearly belongs to the past, soaked with American bias. That bias blinds people from seeing or accepting the rise to greatness of other countries. With the USA becoming more socialist, and China has become more capitalist than many countries. According to Oxford Economics, China's labor costs are no longer cheap and only 4% cheaper than those in the developed countries. China now is the world’s biggest Robot user and it has been leading the world in filing patents. China is the largest market and import country in the world. It has the world’s largest middle class and most billionaires. The World banks reports that China is the largest global growth engine singlehandedly accounted for almost a third of the world’s growth( 33 % ). The U.S. contribution is contributing almost 17 % in 2018. China has 30 cities that are each bigger than Canada (expanding to the next 600 big and modern cities), and far more the state of the art in technological advanced with far newer infrastructure. In 2017, Chinese tourists have amounted to 145 million, making China the single largest outbound tourist country in the world. Chinese people is able to compare and view the pro and con of all countries around the world personally and with their own eyes .They spent a staggering $ 300 billion USD for the whole year. China also is the world's number 3 tourism destination for global tourists, and the inbound tourists arrived from overseas in China has reached 130 million in 2016 alone. Almost all economies and entire world have joined China-led Asian Infrastructure Investment Bank with 87 founding members( more founding members than IMF (30) and world Bank (20)

https://openknowledge.worldbank.org/bitstream/handle/10986/24296/World0Bank0Gro0nference0in0Beijing.pdf;sequence=1

Derek Golota

@Richard Dunphy ...HOPE, 2nd worst strategy after "sunny ways".

Roch Comeau

@Derek Golota

I don't think the government is operating on hope. They are taking concrete steps to expand trade. Hope for the best and work to make it happen.

David Amos

@Roch Comeau 'Almost all economies and entire world have joined China-led Asian Infrastructure Investment Bank with 87 founding members( more founding members than IMF (30) and world Bank (20) "

Methinks beyond this point there be dragons N'esy Pas?

David Amos

@mark moncton Opps I meant the comment above for you

David Amos

@mark moncton Trust that I follow money too

https://www.scribd.com/doc/2718120/integrity-yea-right

  

jim mika

Well, given the fact that justin has accomplished zero since elected, I have extremely low expectations here.

Richard Sharp

@jim mika

Here are 96 Liberal campaign promises met, as of June, 2018. Your expectations are in need of a serious makeover:

https://www.canada.ca/en/privy-council/campaigns/mandate-tracker-results-canadians.html

jim mika

@Richard Sharp

How cute - a website by the govt saying how great they are.

Mary Bellows

@Richard Sharp

AAWWWWWWWWWWWW that sure purty. A liberal website tracking liberal promises getting funding from the liberals.

HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM

Richard Sharp

@Mary Bellows

It's a federal government (PCO) website, providing facts on the meeting of Ministerial mandate letter objectives, which letters the Libs disclosed for the first time in Canadian history.

Darrel Newman

@jim mika

Can we all remember those paid for advertizements by the last Con gov't about how well they were doing . All at the tax payers expense. Prob more expensive than a website page

Jamie Gillis

@Richard Sharp

Richard, Richard, please. That site was debunked and ridiculed the second it came online. For heaven's sake, it still says that a balanced in 2019 is "underway, with challenges." Give us readers a little more credit.

Stephen George

@jim mika

How cute...a poster who makes a statement but can't back it up. So what else is new?

Stephen George

@Jamie Gillis

Some readers, Jamie, don't deserve any credit.

Richard Sharp

@Jamie Gillis

It’s the PCO’s word, which I accept much more easily than the Con shills and bots on this and so many other sites.

David Amos

@Richard Sharp Methinks you forgot to mention ERRE Mr Prime Minister Trudeau The YOunger failed big promise that out of the gate N'esy Pas?

David Amos

@Richard Sharp "It’s the PCO’s word, which I accept much more easily than the Con shills and bots on this and so many other sites"

.Methinks everybody knows the last dudes anyone should are those in the PCO N'esy Pas?

Angus MacDonald

@David Amos
Careful, Richard is the one who can get away with making personal and unsubstantiated attacks on here but calling him out on his actions can get you removed.

David Amos

@Angus MacDonald Methinks he knows that I have grown accustomed to the malice Someday he may admit that I have spoken to him personally and sent him emails as well N'esy Pas?

Jamie Gillis

@Richard Sharp

The PCO. The PM's personal branch of beaucrats. Right.

Derek Golota

@jim mika ...not true, legal pot is what he will be remembered for....and destruction of Canadian economy.

David Amos

@Jamie Gillis Methinks you have it backwards Everybody knows the Privy Council controls the PMO Trudeau The Younger is their puppet N'esy Pas?

David Amos

@Derek Golota "not true, legal pot is what he will be remembered for"

Methinks legal pot will be Mr Prime Minister Trudeau The Younger's only legacy to the folks he purportedly protected and served N'esy Pas?

 Ed Norton

Trump is not a leader. A true leader does not inflame irritants, loudly holler insults, indulge in divisive behaviour, spread mistruths ...

David Amos

@Ed Norton I concur

  

Paul Letendre

Looks like a deer in the headlights. Less than year until the Liberals get voted out!

Earl Murphy

@Paul Letendre By who , Andy , Harper light , can't even keep his own party working as a unit , right Maxime ?

Mike Martin

@Paul Letendre
Best temper your expectations.

 

David Amos

@Paul Letendre Methinks it would not be wise to bet the farm on your opinion with Maxime splitting the vote on the right N'esy Pas?

 

Paul Grablowski

Canada leading the way once again! Our prime minister is representing Canada well, while other leaders (ahem, Trump) are having tantrums.

jim mika

@Paul Grablowski

LOL

That made coffee come out my nose! LOL

David Amos

@jim mika "That made coffee come out my nose! LOL"

Me Too

 

Dwight Williams

The more the USA abdicates the position of leadership the more the Chinese will pick it up, and that isn't going to help anyone.

China cheats.

Richard Sharp

@Rick Shea

Agree. Except the one per centers in the USA are outrageously more greedy and dangerous than China’s communist party members. When was the last time China attacked anybody? Hasn’t China pulled literally hundreds of millions of citizens out of poverty in just 30 years.

David Amos

@Richard Sharp "Hasn’t China pulled literally hundreds of millions of citizens out of poverty in just 30 years."

Methinks you know at whose expense N'esy Pas?

 Kevin Delaney

America continues its.... America has no friends approach on the World Stage. China continues to show that it will move forward. America has isolated itself. Only America can fix that and coming to terms with China is a large part of that fix.

Stu Nelson

@Kevin Delaney America will only begin to make headway on international relations in 2020 when they get the current "bull in a china shop" President out of office.

David Amos

@Stu Nelson Maybe However methinks that by then the worldwide economy my have crashed and the Chinese my reap the whirlwind of what Trump et al have sown N'esy Pas?

 
Brad Fallon

So many inane and useless comments here. Who care about Trudeau's smile or leadership. This is a global issue and the warning lights are going off. Canada will be swept up in it regardless of who is running this country.

David Amos

@Brad Fallon I agree

  

Naomi Forbes

It's time Americans ousted that disgrace of an old TV reality host as their "leader". Hurry up Mr. Mueller!

Igor Nordham

@Naomi Forbes
The Trump administration is non stop comedy.
#RAGA Rake America Great Again

Naomi Forbes

@Igor Nordham .....Yeah, just when you think it can't get any more insane Trump is suggesting the Californians go rake the forests. Next time he will bring rakes instead of paper towels maybe? how can intelligent Americans tolerate this old guy for one more minute.

David Amos

@Igor Nordham Welcome to the Circus

Methinks you may enjoy Googling the following N'esy Pas?

trump cohen david amos nafta fatca tpp

 
Nico De Jong
Why does Trudeau look so stunned, in that photo? 
 

Doug James

@Nico De Jong
He has resting stunned face. Not his fault.

David Amos

@Doug James True

'Striking' APEC confrontation causes uncertainty ahead of G20

Normally friendly gathering turned tense, with no agreement reached — now what?

Janyce McGregor · CBC News · Posted: Nov 19, 2018 4:00 AM ET

The 2018 APEC summit, traditionally an amicable gathering, was instead the scene of a 'striking' confrontation between the U.S. and China. (Mark Schiefelbein/Associated Press)

he opening photo call at the Asia-Pacific Economic Co-operation (APEC) summit Saturday turned out to be a useful roadmap for what unfolded in Papua New Guinea's capital this past weekend.
Front and centre in the shot: Xi Jinping. Stiff and straight, offering an authoritarian smile.

Maybe it was the alphabet that put the Chinese president in the front row (Justin Trudeau was just off-centre, to Xi's right and the world's left, with Chile between them.) But it's a useful visual metaphor, so let's continue.

Just over Xi's left shoulder stood Vladimir Putin's No. 2: Russian Prime Minister Dimitry Medvedev.
Who was missing? Donald Trump's representative. U.S. Vice-President Mike Pence's itinerary didn't prioritize the opening photo.

The leaders carried on without him.

The opening photo call, with China's Xi Jinping in the front row and U.S. Vice-President Mike Pence absent, served as a sign of things to come at the 2018 APEC summit. (Aaron Favila/Associated Press)

Such was the APEC summit in 2018: the commanding presence of China driving its agenda, with an isolated United States pursuing competing goals, leaving others looking very uncomfortable.

When trade watchers marvel at the failure of this group to come up with even a general consensus statement on a few issues, they do so because this isn't meant to be a forum for fighting.
Co-operation: it's right there in APEC's name.

APEC doesn't usually get into security issues or high politics, University of British Columbia Asia specialist Yves Tiberghien said.

"This confrontation… as far as I know it was the first time," he said. "It's striking."

Stark contrast to ASEAN

APEC is usually a friendly summit, where the head of the International Monetary Fund offers a briefing and affiliated business advisory councils "engage" politicians on their regional priorities.

Hot for 2018: "strengthening the digital economy" and — in an effort not to look too elite among the Maseratis ferrying VIPs around APEC's poorest country — enabling "a more open, accessible and secure online environment, so communities and businesses of all sizes can participate." (Canada was pleased to see an emphasis on digital privacy issues, an official said.)

Many of the leaders, Trudeau included, arrived in Port Moresby from Singapore, the host for the 2018 Association of Southeast Asian Nations (ASEAN) and East Asia Summit talks.

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The contrast was stark, even jarring: from the luxury fashion labels of a city capitalizing on its region's fast-growing wealth, to the broken windows and tin roofs of a developing country pushed beyond its limits to host.

Holidays were declared to clear out the city for its international visitors, who were warned not to stop at roadside stands trying to attract the attention, and money, of foreigners.

"This is the biggest thing Papua New Guinea has done in their history," said Jonathan Pryke, director of the Pacific Islands program at the Lowy Institute, a non-partisan Australian think-tank. The country has "acute development issues," something Australia has been providing low-key help with for years, particularly in its remote and rural regions.

China winning 'both above board and below board'

Australia's support overall dwarfs the Chinese money that flowed into Port Moresby to ensure the summit's success. But there was nothing subtle about China's role: a huge Chinese gate outside the brand new Hilton Hotel, with a giant roadside banner celebrating "co-operation" and "peace," made it pretty obvious who was paying.

Chinese aid is strategic, Pryke says, and usually followed by contracts for China's state-owned enterprises (SOEs).

"Corruption is a real thing here," he said. "These SOEs don't operate on the same playing field as a lot of Western commercial enterprises here. But they're also competitors. So they are winning contracts both above board and below board."

China's presence and influence could be felt throughout Papua New Guinea's capital city of Port Moresby during the APEC summit. (Mark Schiefelbein/AFP/Getty Images)

Extrapolate that Chinese strategy to a global scale and it gets easier to see what Donald Trump is on about, and why the Americans are so unhappy with the aspects of the World Trade Organization that enable market-distorting, state-subsidized competition.

Fundamental issues stood in the way of a final communiqué at APEC, with some countries wanting reform, and China strenuously objecting to accusations it isn't playing by the rules laid out when it joined the WTO in 2001.

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According to reports from the Australian Broadcasting Corporation, China tried to strong-arm the summit's host into the language it wanted. No dice.

This disagreement isn't something that a few more hours, days or weeks of conversation will resolve, despite Xi's suggestion that multilateralism — talking — is the answer to the escalating trade war that's slapped hundreds of billions of dollars in disruptive tariffs on the world's products.

The U.S. may be big enough for a go-it-alone, protectionist strategy, but others — Canada included — are not. Their prosperity depends on trade, and their future economic growth likely requires selling new things to China's enormous market.

However, their security may depend on continuing to line up with the U.S. So rhetorical demands to pick sides are unwelcome.

Singapore's prime minister said this week that ASEAN countries need a good working relationship with both China and the U.S. to thrive. The appetite to confront American trade bullying may fade in the face of security concerns, like North Korea's nuclear program.

'Coalition in the middle'

The road to the seat of government in Port Moresby was paved by the Chinese. But the warships in its harbour were Australian and American.

Pence turned up at APEC with a commitment to work with Australia to redevelop a naval base on Manus Island to try to counter China's growing influence in the region.

Beyond the trade war between the U.S. and China, there's a second confrontation underway about globalization itself, Tiberghien said.

"Clearly there is an interesting clash where the U.S. is saying 'trade has left too many people behind' … we have to 'rein in trade,'" he said.

The tension between the U.S. and China was one of the biggest takeaways from the 2018 APEC summit. (Mark Schiefelbein/Associated Press)

Here the U.S. is not alone: Malaysia, a Pacific Rim trade partner Trudeau also met with this weekend, has voiced similar concerns (and not ratified the Comprehensive and Progressive Trans-Pacific Partnership yet.) So have populist politicians in Europe, including some of the champions of Brexit in the U.K.

It's a "redrawing of camps," Tiberghien said.

Trudeau's father Pierre championed a "third way" foreign policy, hoping to diversify its relationships beyond its Commonwealth history and its geographic ties to the U.S.

Now the son finds himself in need of a third way in trade policy — if the U.S. won't champion a multilateral trading system anymore, who will? Canada's working with allies like the European Union, Japan and Australia on how to reinvigorate a rules-based system.

But when the G20 meets in two weeks, the fighting between the two biggest players may suck oxygen away from topics like WTO reforms.

"It's a very tense environment for making any breakthrough," Tiberghien said. "But on a secondary level, Canada can show a good image by saying 'we're here, we're reasonable, we stand for principles, we'll stand with partners that believe in the same principles' and maybe, over time, build a coalition in the middle."

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