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David Amos
@Robert Lloyd "And what if they said "fight your own battles".
Methinks we have Minister of Defense not a Minister of Attack but you should read paragraph 83 of my Statement of Claim against the Crown if you don't know that we helped the Yankees plan the War on Iraq in the summer of 2002. N'esy Pas? BTW How many WMDS were ever found?
Go Figure
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/weston-canada-offered-to-aid-iraq-invasion-wikileaks-1.1062501
Methinks we have Minister of Defense not a Minister of Attack but you should read paragraph 83 of my Statement of Claim against the Crown if you don't know that we helped the Yankees plan the War on Iraq in the summer of 2002. N'esy Pas? BTW How many WMDS were ever found?
Go Figure
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/weston-canada-offered-to-aid-iraq-invasion-wikileaks-1.1062501
Robert Lloyd
@David Amos said "Methinks we have Minister of Defense not a Minister of Attack ..."
David, exactly, a Minister of Defense....and you defend with....deterrence or words or 'spit balls'?
David, exactly, a Minister of Defense....and you defend with....deterrence or words or 'spit balls'?
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David Raymond Amos @DavidRayAmos
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/lockheed-martin-contract-shipbuilding-irving-1.5011032
Lockheed Martin to partner with Irving Shipbuilding on $185M ship design contract
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Commenting is now closed for this story. David Amos
"The challenge will be heard in Federal Court and critics question how completely the bids were evaluated."
Methinks much to the Irving Clan's chagrin I should pick up the phone again and send a few more emails N'esy Pas?
Methinks much to the Irving Clan's chagrin I should pick up the phone again and send a few more emails N'esy Pas?
Clarence Slydell
@David Amos
Sic 'em Dave.
Sic 'em Dave.
Norman Albert Snr
I think we are being suckered
into one of the longest and poorly set up contracts in Canadian history
with no idea what we get for about %60B in end costs. Sucker born every
day. Mean while Irving gets much richer off the tax payers.
David Amos
@Norman Albert Snr YUP
Rosco holt
@Norman Albert Snr
It's nothing new.
It's nothing new.
daryl doucette
Why does Canada need " WAR"
ships? We don't start wars, the americans do. No one is going to
attack us with the USA right next door. Lets spend that money on health
care and infrastructure to benefit ALL Canadians.
Robert Lloyd
@daryl doucette said " No one is going to attack us with the USA right next door"
daryl, if we took that stance, how would the people of the USA feel about that? Or does it matter to you?
And what if they said "fight your own battles".
And you really need to reassess your thinking if you think no one will do harm to Canada with the USA next door. You might like to believe that however it is not very realistic.
daryl, if we took that stance, how would the people of the USA feel about that? Or does it matter to you?
And what if they said "fight your own battles".
And you really need to reassess your thinking if you think no one will do harm to Canada with the USA next door. You might like to believe that however it is not very realistic.
Paul Bourgoin
@Robert Lloyd
Where do you come from?
Where do you come from?
daryl doucette
@Robert Lloyd Who cares what
the people of the USA think? What " battles"? We don't have "
battles". The only reason the USA is attacked abroad is because they
continuously meddle in other countries affairs and invade countries to
control their oil and other resources. Canada does not do that. Watch
and see what will happen soon with Venezuala..." Chavez" booted out the
Americans ( Exxon) whom were stealing the oil wealth...either the
americans will " invade" or the new guy will invite Exxon back in, which
is probably what will happen.....stay tuned!
Chris McNee
@daryl doucette Hi Darryl, I
won’t bash you as like many other Canadians they aren’t aware of what
the RCN (Navy) do. They assist our allies in foreign operations that
battleships for a lack of a better are the only vessel for the job.
They also serve off of our Canadian waters to help counter the drug and
human trafficking issues. As far as no one attacking us, this is already
happened in Ottawa at the war memorial and other isolated attacks. One
could use similar logic of not buying a health plan or car insurance
since no one plans on getting sick or having and accident. But to agree
on our health care system improving is a good idea. Take Care
LucasMcCain
@daryl doucette: Daryl that
is LIBERAL thinking...we are the 2nd largest landmass in the world with
37 million people ,in the top 5 for wealth and the longest coastline in
the world....we have to protect it.China is growing and RUSSIA is
trying get it's false past glory back at the expence of it's
people...don't forget terrorism....We have a professional military,a
world renowned legal system,our citizens for the most part are happy and
have freedom of speech,..and we have growth ..thats worth protecting.
Norman Albert Snr
@daryl doucette What happens when US wants our oil and resources?
Robert Lloyd
@Paul Bourgoin said "Where do you come from?"
Paul, I am a citizen of Nova Scotia, Canada. Trusting this is helpful.
Paul, I am a citizen of Nova Scotia, Canada. Trusting this is helpful.
Christopher Douglas Hyndman
@daryl doucette
1.Drug/Human smugglers use boats, some of them are armed.
2. Did you know we had to deploy armed frigates against Spanish fishing operations within our economic zone?
3. We have a huge supply of resources and fresh water with a relatively tiny population...wait and see what happens in the 20 year, you will be glad we have those ships because someone is going to say we don't need all of it and they are taking it.
Top of my head with no research...bet I could bury you in a tsunami of reasons if I hardly tried
1.Drug/Human smugglers use boats, some of them are armed.
2. Did you know we had to deploy armed frigates against Spanish fishing operations within our economic zone?
3. We have a huge supply of resources and fresh water with a relatively tiny population...wait and see what happens in the 20 year, you will be glad we have those ships because someone is going to say we don't need all of it and they are taking it.
Top of my head with no research...bet I could bury you in a tsunami of reasons if I hardly tried
Robert Lloyd
@daryl doucette said "... oil and other resources. Canada does not do that."
daryl, that is exactly the point....as a Canadian, the cost of your petroleum products are as low as they are because of American foreign policy in this area.
Like it or not, that is the way it is.
daryl, that is exactly the point....as a Canadian, the cost of your petroleum products are as low as they are because of American foreign policy in this area.
Like it or not, that is the way it is.
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David Amos
@Robert Lloyd "And what if they said "fight your own battles".
Methinks we have Minister of Defense not a Minister of Attack but you should read paragraph 83 of my Statement of Claim against the Crown if you don't know that we helped the Yankees plan the War on Iraq in the summer of 2002. N'esy Pas? BTW How many WMDS were ever found?
Go Figure
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/weston-canada-offered-to-aid-iraq-invasion-wikileaks-1.1062501
Methinks we have Minister of Defense not a Minister of Attack but you should read paragraph 83 of my Statement of Claim against the Crown if you don't know that we helped the Yankees plan the War on Iraq in the summer of 2002. N'esy Pas? BTW How many WMDS were ever found?
Go Figure
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/weston-canada-offered-to-aid-iraq-invasion-wikileaks-1.1062501
Robert Lloyd
@David Amos said "Methinks we have Minister of Defense not a Minister of Attack ..."
David, exactly, a Minister of Defense....and you defend with....deterrence or words or 'spit balls'?
David, exactly, a Minister of Defense....and you defend with....deterrence or words or 'spit balls'?
Robert Ross
@daryl doucette
One important fact: the only rights you have are those you can afford to defend.
Protecting our democracy, rights, and way of life does come at a cost.
As well, since we are part of NATO (and other international organizations), we have obligations to protect and defend the rights of those who cannot defend their own.
What do you do? Say: "Stop, or I'll say stop again?". A shot across the bow usually comes across as "we mean it".
People need to get out of their 'bubble' and into the real world. Years of a cushy lifestyle have allowed our eyes to glaze over to the realities out there (and what is about to come).
One important fact: the only rights you have are those you can afford to defend.
Protecting our democracy, rights, and way of life does come at a cost.
As well, since we are part of NATO (and other international organizations), we have obligations to protect and defend the rights of those who cannot defend their own.
What do you do? Say: "Stop, or I'll say stop again?". A shot across the bow usually comes across as "we mean it".
People need to get out of their 'bubble' and into the real world. Years of a cushy lifestyle have allowed our eyes to glaze over to the realities out there (and what is about to come).
Robert Lloyd
@Robert Ross said "People need to get out of their 'bubble' and into the real world."
Robert, I have been trying to say that here but did not put it as clearly as you did.....well said!
Robert, I have been trying to say that here but did not put it as clearly as you did.....well said!
David Peters
@Robert Ross
That doesn't excuse the obvious lack of competition in the bidding process to build these ships...more competition is needed to ensure a good product at a fair price, delivered on-time.
More competition would provide protection to the taxpayer on many levels.
That doesn't excuse the obvious lack of competition in the bidding process to build these ships...more competition is needed to ensure a good product at a fair price, delivered on-time.
More competition would provide protection to the taxpayer on many levels.
Mark Bishop
I have read comments about
the poor and hungry, have too agree. The thing noone is considering how
about the men and women being sent out on missions to protect this
country and others. Do they not deserve to go out in something new and
advanced. How about what happened when Canada purchased the used
submarines? They were of no use to the British military and cost Canada a
life, and injured other submariners. Our military deserves more.
Eric Plexe
@Mark Bishop - While the
purchase of the submarines was a fiasco, they have now been operational
for several years. What’s required now are plans to purchase their
replacements.
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/canadian-pre-owned-submarine-fleet-finally-ready-for-operations/article23236697/
http://www.navy-marine.forces.gc.ca/en/news-operations/news-media-submarine-fleet-status.page
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/canadian-pre-owned-submarine-fleet-finally-ready-for-operations/article23236697/
http://www.navy-marine.forces.gc.ca/en/news-operations/news-media-submarine-fleet-status.page
daryl doucette
@Mark Bishop We mostly go on " missions" to protect big oil interests.
Paul Bourgoin
@Mark Bishop
Where is that war you are Talking about?
Where is that war you are Talking about?
David Amos
@Paul Bourgoin I had quite a
holy war with Irving Shipbuilding's former General Counsel on January
11th, 2016 in Federal Court in Fredicton
David Peters
Why buy 15 ships for $60 Billion when you could have bought 16 ships for less than $9 Billion?
https://swarajyamag.com/insta/india-to-sign-22-billion-deal-with-russia-for-four-warships-two-will-be-built-in-the-country
Massive wealth transfer.
https://swarajyamag.com/insta/india-to-sign-22-billion-deal-with-russia-for-four-warships-two-will-be-built-in-the-country
Massive wealth transfer.
Robert Lloyd
@David Peters said "Why buy 15 ships for $60 Billion when you could have bought 16 ships for less than $9 Billion? "
David, somehow I did glean that from the article you posted.....from the article, it would appear such purchases, we would be buying these ships from India or Russia. Am I correct? If yes, why would we buy from either?
As far as 'wealth transfer' , you of all people should understand that a program of this magnitude would mean a massive transfer of CDN taxpayer $$$ to Canadians, not Russians or others.
What am I missing?
David, somehow I did glean that from the article you posted.....from the article, it would appear such purchases, we would be buying these ships from India or Russia. Am I correct? If yes, why would we buy from either?
As far as 'wealth transfer' , you of all people should understand that a program of this magnitude would mean a massive transfer of CDN taxpayer $$$ to Canadians, not Russians or others.
What am I missing?
Paul Bourgoin
@Robert Lloyd
Where is your loyalty?
Where is your loyalty?
Robert Lloyd
@Paul Bourgoin said "Where is your loyalty?"
Paul, to Canada.
Paul, to Canada.
Christopher Douglas Hyndman
@Paul Bourgoin Where's yours?
David Amos
@Robert Lloyd Where was your smart phone or computer built?
Robert Lloyd
@David Amos said "Where was your smart phone or computer built?"
David, both were assembled in Mexico....I am pretty sure the silica that made the computer chips were mined in the USA, maybe Tennessee or one of those states close to it.
David, both were assembled in Mexico....I am pretty sure the silica that made the computer chips were mined in the USA, maybe Tennessee or one of those states close to it.
David Peters
@Robert Lloyd
Ten times more expensive to build ships here?
Looks like "loyalty" is being used as an excuse to rip off the Canadian taxpayer.
Ten times more expensive to build ships here?
Looks like "loyalty" is being used as an excuse to rip off the Canadian taxpayer.
Robert Lloyd
@David Peters said "Ten times more expensive to build ships here? "
David, please present your business case to substantiate "ten times more expensive"....if we simply buy offshore, to say as mentioned in the story, Russia or India.
Life is all about choices, right?
David, please present your business case to substantiate "ten times more expensive"....if we simply buy offshore, to say as mentioned in the story, Russia or India.
Life is all about choices, right?
David Peters
@Robert Lloyd
...from the lawsuit, it looks to me as though those with the capabilities to really cost it out feel as though there wasn't real competition in this case....which seems to be the case in nearly every sector, not just in ship building.
Imo, that's more of a threat to Canadian liberty and sovereignty than anything else.
...from the lawsuit, it looks to me as though those with the capabilities to really cost it out feel as though there wasn't real competition in this case....which seems to be the case in nearly every sector, not just in ship building.
Imo, that's more of a threat to Canadian liberty and sovereignty than anything else.
Ross Morley
Well now, I guess Lockheed won't be so peeved about our rejecting the #failed F-35.
Barry Odonnell
@Ross Morley Any agreement
signed by the Trudeau government needs to be carefully scrutinized
given the latest ethics allegations.
David Amos
@Barry Odonnell I agree
Rosco holt
@Barry Odonnell
Time has shown that any agreement at the federal level needs to be scrutinized no matter which party is in power.
Whether it's the Liberals or the Conservatives.
Time has shown that any agreement at the federal level needs to be scrutinized no matter which party is in power.
Whether it's the Liberals or the Conservatives.
Mark Jones
Lockheed Martin is an organized criminal organization, nothing more.
Rosco holt
@Mark Jones
Lockheed Martin is in good company.
Lockheed Martin is in good company.
Benjamin Dover
@Mark Jones
How so? What are they doing that is illegal?
How so? What are they doing that is illegal?
Marguerite Deschamps
@Benjamin Dover, building tools to kill.
Robert Lloyd
@Marguerite Deschamps said "....building tools to kill."
Marguerite, that is a personal opinion, not a legal opinion!
There is a distinction. Wouldn't you agree?
Marguerite, that is a personal opinion, not a legal opinion!
There is a distinction. Wouldn't you agree?
David Amos
@Marguerite Deschamps "building tools to kill."
Methinks they are built for defense so that folks won't get killed N'esy Pas?
Methinks they are built for defense so that folks won't get killed N'esy Pas?
Lockheed Martin to partner with Irving Shipbuilding on $185M ship design contract
15 Canadian warships to be built at Halifax shipyard beginning in 2023
The announcement was short and sweet Friday morning.
Public Services and Procurement Minister Carla Qualtrough announced the federal government has awarded a $185-million shipbuilding design contract for the next 15 Canadian warships to Lockheed Martin Canada.
This design work is expected to take up to four years to complete. The ships are to be constructed at the Irving shipyard in Halifax, beginning in 2023.
Jim Irving, co-CEO of JD Irving Ltd., said he told the minister in advance to keep the speeches short.
"It's almost 9 o'clock on Friday, and we haven't done a lick of work yet. I know what it costs per minute to pay for this place," he said.
Irving Shipbuilding workers listen to Friday's announcement. (CBC)
"But you're worth it," he told workers who were gathered for the announcement.
"This is much more than a job, it's a commitment."
The Friday morning announcement was a formalization of the long-awaited design contract — the kickoff to a $60-billion project to produce 15 warships to replace the navy's frontline frigates over the next decade and a half.
All of the paperwork for the design contract was signed in Ottawa on Thursday between the Liberal government, Lockheed Martin Canada, BAE Systems, Inc., and Irving Shipbuilding, the prime contractor.
The ships will replace the Halifax-class frigates and the retired Iroquois-class destroyers. (CBC)
The decision to award the contract to the Lockheed Martin-led team is not without controversy, however.
It is the subject of a legal challenge by one of the other companies in the competition — Alion Science and Technology Corporation — and subsidiary Alion Canada.
A third team, led by the Spanish company Navantia, also submitted a bid but has not challenged the decision.
The challenge will be heard in Federal Court and critics question how completely the bids were evaluated.
Neither losing bidder was told precisely what was wrong with their bids, but they can expect to be briefed now that the contract has been signed, say defence industry sources.
Public Services and Procurement Minister Carla Qualtrough announced the federal government has awarded a $185-million shipbuilding design contract for the next 15 Canadian warships to Lockheed Martin Canada.
This design work is expected to take up to four years to complete. The ships are to be constructed at the Irving shipyard in Halifax, beginning in 2023.
Jim Irving, co-CEO of JD Irving Ltd., said he told the minister in advance to keep the speeches short.
"It's almost 9 o'clock on Friday, and we haven't done a lick of work yet. I know what it costs per minute to pay for this place," he said.
"This is much more than a job, it's a commitment."
The Friday morning announcement was a formalization of the long-awaited design contract — the kickoff to a $60-billion project to produce 15 warships to replace the navy's frontline frigates over the next decade and a half.
All of the paperwork for the design contract was signed in Ottawa on Thursday between the Liberal government, Lockheed Martin Canada, BAE Systems, Inc., and Irving Shipbuilding, the prime contractor.
It is the subject of a legal challenge by one of the other companies in the competition — Alion Science and Technology Corporation — and subsidiary Alion Canada.
A third team, led by the Spanish company Navantia, also submitted a bid but has not challenged the decision.
The challenge will be heard in Federal Court and critics question how completely the bids were evaluated.
Neither losing bidder was told precisely what was wrong with their bids, but they can expect to be briefed now that the contract has been signed, say defence industry sources.
With files from Murray Brewster
CBC's Journalistic Standards and Practices
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