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'Put up or shut up': Liberal MP challenges Philpott and Wilson-Raybould over SNC-Lavalin

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Replying to and  47 others
Methinks that now that I see so many of my comments have been disabled I might as well quit for the evening Folks can always review them within my blog if they wish N'esy Pas?


https://davidraymondamos3.blogspot.com/2019/03/put-up-or-shut-up-liberal-mp-challenges.html


#nbpoli #cdnpoli 


https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/judy-sgro-wilson-raybould-philpott-1.5068509






Replying to and  47 others
Methinks it would not be wise to trust the advice of the first Cabinet Minister to resign from Paul Martin's government N'esy Pas? 


https://davidraymondamos3.blogspot.com/2019/03/put-up-or-shut-up-liberal-mp-challenges.html


#nbpoli #cdnpoli 


https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/judy-sgro-wilson-raybould-philpott-1.5068509


'Put up or shut up': Liberal MP challenges Philpott and Wilson-Raybould over SNC-Lavalin

Judy Sgro said she doesn't want justice committee probe reopened


Liberal MP Judy Sgro says her Liberal colleagues Jane Philpott and Jody Wilson-Raybould need to clear the air on SNC-Lavalin. (CBC)

Long-time Liberal MP Judy Sgro is calling out fellow caucus members Jody Wilson-Raybould and Jane Philpott, accusing them of targeting their anger and frustration directly at Prime Minister Justin Trudeau over the SNC-Lavalin scandal.

In an explosive interview with Maclean's — her first media interview since she resigned from the Liberal cabinet on Mar. 4 — Philpott said there is "much more" to the SNC-Lavalin affair and Canadians have concerns about the government's attempts to "shut down" the story.

On Friday, Wilson-Raybould said she will provide a written statement and copies of text messages and emails to the Commons justice committee that shut down its probe of the SNC-Lavalin affair.




Both the interview and the letter landed in the midst of a parliamentary uproar over the Liberals' move to end the Commons justice committee's probe of Wilson-Raybould's claim that she was pressured by senior government officials to allow SNC-Lavalin to avoid a criminal trial on bribery charges.
Philpott, who resigned from cabinet over the government's handling of the file, said she believes Canadians need answers to maintain their confidence in the independence of the justice system.

But Sgro said she thinks Wilson-Raybould and Philpott are providing fodder to the opposition and challenged them to use their parliamentary privilege to air whatever they have to say on the SNC-Lavalin affair.

"It's either put up or shut up," Sgro told Chris Hall, host of CBC Radio's The House, in an interview airing Saturday.

"If you've got something to say, you've had two months to get out there and say it."

When asked if she thought Trudeau was being targeted by Wilson-Raybould and Philpott, Sgro didn't mince words.

"It certainly appears to be that way," she said.

Sgro was one of the MPs attending a meeting of the Liberals' Ontario caucus on Wednesday — a meeting described by people in the room as "rough" and "uncomfortable."

CBC News reported this week that Philpott faced tough questions from her colleagues at the closed-door meeting. Sources inside the room told CBC News Philpott began by defending her decision to resign from cabinet, saying she was acting on principle and for the good of the country.

Some MPs reminded her that the caucus had supported her on sensitive issues, including her handling of medical assistance in dying legislation, and had backed her when she ran into controversy over limo costs in 2016.

Some at the meeting also told CBC News that Philpott appeared to be taking notes and was asked to stop.

Election looming


Sgro said she thinks the ongoing affair is hurting the Liberal government's chance of re-election this year and some of her fellow MPs are worried.

"It affects all of us when one of our members of the team decides to go out and speak against the rest of us, or unnerve the rest of us," she said. "You can't keep dropping innuendo every day and expect that all of us from the prime minister down are hopeless to stand back and do anything about this."

But despite her challenge to her caucus colleagues, Sgro said she thinks the justice committee probe shouldn't be reopened and that any further probe should be handled by the ethics commissioner.

"Let the commissioner do his job. He'll come back with a recommendation to the House of Commons, with a report, and then whatever action ... if any action needs to be done, it'll be done then," she said.
"Let's let things get investigated by the proper people and not politicians who are out to knock each other."



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Simon McVeigh
Judy Judy Judy.... what Canadians need is a true “Justice” committee ... not a “Justin” committee!  


David R. Amos 
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Reply to @Simon McVeigh: Methinks Judy would never understand that many a true word is said in jest N'esy Pas?  


David R. Amos
Reply to @Simon McVeigh: I see that the malicious editing has begun










Carey Turner
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She is absolutely right, two drama queens it looks like if they won't. Jane I'm sure will talk and it will start with "Jodi told me...." 


David R. Amos
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Reply to @Carey Turner: Methinks that many would agree that the Jody and Jane Tag Team versus the Justin and Judy Tag Team are the best part of the circus this weekend N'esy Pas? 












Richard Dekkar
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Too bad Sgro is just another scripted partisan and not well informed, ie a Liberal. She’s telling JWR and Philpott to test the waters at their peril by breaking the law because Justin won’t let them speak. The Law Society of BC will take a very dim view if JWR speaks without His permission.
 

David R. Amos 
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Reply to @Richard Dekkar: "Sgro is just another scripted partisan and not well informed" YUP However Jody used to appoint judges N'esy Pas?











Steve Wilson
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Finally a voice of reason! If these two have anything to say then cut the nonsense and get on with it, including facing any consequences. Cowards! 


Dan Amundson
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Reply to @Kat Burd: Very well said like a true partisan Kat. Perhaps you might like to read the article mentioned about the former House Law Clerk. He described how it would be possible to do what you suggest except the logistics for this to happen are completely controlled by either Committee, Speaker or House Leader who all happen to be - - - - - - wait for it - - - - - - - - - LIBERAL. So what are the chances of them ever having an opportunity to tell their story in either committee or on the floor of the House of Commons. Somewhere between Nil and Zero


David R. Amos
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Reply to @Dan Amundson: Methinks its closer to Nil than Zero However there is an election coming that the liberals are trying to buy with our money and not many seem to be falling for it N'esy Pas?








Joe Callens
Looking at the list of sins committed bySNC Lavalin, and how badly the Conservatives want the company charged, why didn't they have Lavalin charged with their crimes way back when? It seems to me, the bulk of crimes were done while the CPC was in office and centre around 2011/12 in Libya.

Are we to believe the Cons are grandstanding over conversations around filing charges they didn't consider worth discussing, OR, are they grandstanding over conversations they also had themselves? Either way seems highly hypocritical




David R. Amos
Reply to @Joe Callens: "Either way seems highly hypocritical"

YUP Methinks it was not all that long ago that the Conservatives and the NDP wanted Justin to fire Jody as AG Now all of sudden she is wonderful N'esy Pas?



Edward (E) Merij
Oh this is rich. Cat fight. One older cat fighting two younger ones. Gotta love it.
So much for 'sunny ways'. So much for the Liberal's gender agenda. We are now seeing behind closed Liberal doors. How many other women inside the Liberal caucus are at each others' throats over this, and other fights



David R. Amos  
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Reply to @Edward (E) Merij: "Oh this is rich. Cat fight. One older cat fighting two younger ones. Gotta love it. "

Methinks everybody knows why why I love the circus Although the cat fights are a small part of the the big big show , they are truly entertaining Catherine McKenna was fairly catty too N'esy Pas?

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/wilson-raybould-justice-snc-lavalin-1.5067543

"In the Liberal caucus, patience with Wilson-Raybould and Philpott appears to be wearing thin.

Environment Minister Catherine McKenna said today that if Wilson-Raybould has more to say, she must do it now so the government can get back to focusing on priorities like fighting climate change, combating racism and ending U.S. steel tariffs.

"That should happen right away. If there are serious concerns, we should all be concerned and we've also got to continue in delivering what we're delivering for Canadians," she said."

David R. Amos 
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Reply to @David R. Amos: Methinks that now that I see so many of my comments have been disabled I might as well quit for the evening N'esy Pas?








Justin Right
Scheer trying to deflect again HE HAS NO PLATFORM


Jessie Bard
Reply to @Justin Right: TONS of fake accounts upvoted you by Liberals threatening those poor intern students that they won't have a job if they don't sign up to CBC and do that. It's Loblaw's way...


David R. Amos 
Reply to @Jessie Bard: RE "entangled in KPMG CRA shams"

Methinks folks may enjoy Googling the following N'esy Pas?

KPMG CRA David Amos 



Jessie Bard
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Reply to @David R. Amos:
1.Trudeau violated conflict guidelines amid KPMG probe, ethics advocacy group says https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/kpmg-liberal-party-treasurer-1.4115692

& et Deux
"Buttocks took to Twitter on Monday to defend the government's decision to pay his friend Rana Sarkar (KPMG), the country's new consul general in San Francisco, far more than the usual scale for the posting, it was worth paying attention.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/rana-sarkar-trudeau-appointment-salary-1.4256445



David R. Amos
Reply to @Jessie Bard: Methinks you are overlooking the fact that the CRA and everybody else knows that I am a whistle-blower against KPMG et al who sued 3 US Treasury Agents and many others in 2002 then has run for public office six times in Canada since while suing the Crown N'esy Pas?









FRANCIS DOYLE
I agree with Judy Sgro 100% and these two women certainly appear to be going out of their way to help the opposition instead of having this situation dealt within the party that they are a member of. Let the Ethics Commissioner handle this because that is why he is there. This caucus has certainly supported both women on many issues and it is time they did the same. 


Scotty Davidson
Reply to @FRANCIS DOYLE: The ethics commission hasn't completed a investigation since 2017... yeah i can see why you would want them in charge.  


David R. Amos 
Reply to @Scotty Davidson: "The ethics commission hasn't completed a investigation since 2017"

Methinks Mr Dion knows that fact is true because when I reminded him of mine and of when we last crossed paths he fell ill N'esy Pas?  



David R. Amos
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Reply to @Troy Mann: "Jane taking notes in a meeting that is confidential and having to be told to stop shows she cannot be trusted."

Methinks only crooks would not someone taking notes at a meeting. Hence a honourable cabinet minister would be wise to do so and not care if the crooks don't trust her N'esy Pas?











Don Luft
 "Sgro said she thinks the justice committee probe shouldn't be reopened and that any further probe should be handled by the ethics commissioner...."Let's let things get investigated by the proper people and not politicians who are out to knock each other."

And there is the voice of reason. I concur completely. JWR had her chance to disclose anything relevant to the issue and didn't make much of a case except to say she was approached too often and too earnestly to make the least damaging decision, both for her own party and people who will be affected by a guilty verdict. She blew it.Nothing that happened subsequent to that decision is directly relevant and is only of peripheral interest having no bearing on whether she received inappropriate pressure.

I agree, JWR and Philpott are teasing the media and working in the interests of the Conservatives. What are they doing in the Liberal caucus if their goal appears to be the defeat of the Liberal Party? Sixty-five percent of Canadians oppose Conservative policies. They are doing the country no favour by helping Conservatives implement their anti-social policies. 



David R. Amos 
Reply to @Don Luft: "What are they doing in the Liberal caucus if their goal appears to be the defeat of the Liberal Party?"

Methinks many would agree that perhaps they want Trudeau replaced as leader before he sinks your beloved party N'esy Pas? 



Don Luft
Not my beloved party. I didn't vote for them. I only appear to be a Liberal supporter because of my antipathy to the Conservatives as the most likely alternative and the many partisan comments from conservatives that lack any objectivity.

I think Trudeau and company did likely cross an ethical line but whether they committed obstruction of justice.: isn't by any means indicated by testimony to date.
I also think the judicial committee is just a partisan circus. The Ethics Commissioner is he one to deal with this.

If I was a Liberal and disenchanted with the party I wouldn't switch to the Conservatives who are opposed to any cause liberals hold dear. I'd vote NDP or Green, but never Conservative.



Don Luft
Reply to @vic thomas:

I can't believe people like you pass judgement without facts, only conflicting stories, and no allegations of criminal behaviour, then claim the entire party is morally bankrupt. They were trying to save people's jobs through a legal option. What's morally bankrupt in that?

These women joined the Liberal Party and ran for office presumably because they believed in what the party wanted to do? Now they're working to help the Conservatives undo what they were elected to achieve. They're betraying the people who voted for them. Some people might think that's morally bankrupt

 

David R. Amos
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Reply to @Don Luft: "They're betraying the people who voted for them."

Go Figure who is betraying who

https://www.scribd.com/doc/2718120/integrity-yea-right











Dana Readman
Two months ago, when this issue first hit the news cycle, I was sympathetic to JWR. I thought she was principled although perhaps too idealistic. Two months later, when she and JP seem intent on continuing to drop innuendo by giving teaser interviews and statements without providing any new information, I have changed my mind. They seem to have an agenda that has little to do with principles and idealism and a lot to do with political payback. JWR, if you have something to say, say it now. JP, this is not your issue. All you know is what JWR has told you. So you should not be saying anything


David R. Amos
Reply to @Dana Readman: "All you know is what JWR has told you. So you should not be saying anything"

Methinks there is no way you or anyone else could know what they know unless they were standing behind Justin as he dealt with Judy and Jane just like Mr Butts no doubt was N'esy Pas? 



David R. Amos
Reply to @vic thomas: "Justin and his gang are obviously hiding something"

Methinks its rather obvious that the former cabinet ministers Jane and Jody are too N'esy Pas?

https://globalnews.ca/news/4967845/wilson-raybould-senate-corruption-bill/

"OTTAWA — Former justice minister Jody Wilson-Raybould angered senators by refusing to give testimony on a change to the Criminal Code that is now at the centre of allegations that she was improperly pressured to help SNC-Lavalin avoid criminal prosecution.

The Criminal Code amendment was stuffed into an omnibus budget implementation bill last year and got little scrutiny from MPs on the House of Commons finance committee. But when it got to the Senate, the upper chamber’s legal and constitutional affairs committee was tasked with scrutinizing the provision, which allows prosecutors to negotiate remediation agreements, a kind of plea bargain, in cases of corporate corruption.

The committee held extensive hearings last May and heard from an array of expert witnesses, including Justice Department officials, who suggested that some questions were best put to the minister of justice. The committee invited Wilson-Raybould but she did not show up. In her stead, the government sent her parliamentary secretary, Liberal MP Marco Mendicino, and Public Services Minister Carla Qualtrough.

“It’s very unusual to study a bill, especially in the criminal domain, and to not have the minister responsible appear before the committee,” Conservative Sen. Pierre-Hugues Boisvenu observed at the time. “I would like to know why the minister of justice is not here herself.”










Jay Singh
If so then have the PM waive every restrictions on them. Let them speak in committee about everything that has happened to do. If PM and his office haven't done anything wrong or inappropriate then they dont have anything to be afraid of. 


vic thomas
Reply to @Jay Singh: Exactly. Judy says speak up and we all say yes..we want to hear the truth. BUT the Liberals have shut downt he justice committee and Justin has not waived restrictions on what JWR and Jody can talk about. More nonsense from the Liberals..  


David R. Amos
Reply to @vic thomas: Methinks it would not be wise to trust the advice of the first Cabinet Minister to resign from Paul Martin's government N'esy Pas?  


mo bennett
Reply to @David R. Amos: or any politician wood be more accurate!  


André Carrel
Reply to @Tom McCarten:
That is simply wrong.
Here is what the Supreme Court of Canada had to say on the subject of parliamentary privilege New Brunswick Broadcasting Co. v. Nova Scotia (Speaker of the House of Assembly):
"Privilege in this context denotes the legal exemption from some duty, burden, attendance or liability to which others are subject. It has long been accepted that in order to perform their functions, legislative bodies require certain privileges relating to the conduct of their business. It has also long been accepted that these privileges must be held absolutely and constitutionally if they are to be effective; the legislative branch of our government must enjoy a certain autonomy which even the Crown and the courts cannot touch."
I don't know where you get your information from, but whatever your source is, I will take the word of our Supreme Court on this subject

 

David R. Amos
Reply to @mo bennett: "or any politician wood be more accurate!"

YO MO I stand corrected 



David R. Amos
Reply to @André Carrel: "I will take the word of our Supreme Court on this subject"

Methinks that you should be as curious as I as to whether or not the Supreme Court abides with the actions of Jody Wilson-Raybould and her minions actions against me Federal Court (File No T-1557-15) N'esy Pas? 



Won Tu
Reply to @George Carter: No, this is people respecting privacy. I don't need to, or want to hear every little tiff and disagreement or personal grudge that happens in political meetings. I get enough of that at my workplace. Especially in politics, people need to be able to discuss things behind closed doors. Otherwise we'd be caught in such a web of political correctness that nothing would ever get discussed. 





David R. Amos

Reply to @Won Tu: Methinks if you believed in what you just wrote then you would not have insulted me over my Chiac N'esy Pas?










Albert Ford Upton
This cat & mouse stuff is ridiculous. Open it up and put all the cards on the table. The public is really tired of this game. 


David R. Amos
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Reply to @Albert Ford Upton: Methinks you should relax and watch the circus then in October register your disdain if you were not entertained N'esy Pas?  

Won Tu
Reply to @David R. Amos: Please stop your insulting "N'esy Pas". It was always insulting to francophones, and after 500 times or more, it is extremely tired. 


David R. Amos
Reply to @Won Tu: Methinks you must be insulting a ghost N'esy Pas?










Kasper Kane
Judy Sgros allegiance is to the liberal party not Canada. 


David R. Amos 
Reply to @Kasper Kane: I agree 











Bianca Berry
The damage is done.  


David R. Amos 
Reply to @Bianca Berry: Nope they have not mentioned my lawsuit yet  











John Otvos
 Hey Judy, you know as well as anyone that this corruption scandal was never about jobs. It's only about preventing a public trial and sunnyboy is as deep in doo-doo about this as are others in your caucus. Business as usual while the planet disintegrates. You who support the 1% elite, are insane. 


george bath
Reply to @John Otvos: I see. Harper supported SNC Lav bribery and thats ok?  


David R. Amos 
Reply to @John Otvos: Methinks Judy and her cohorts fail to understand that not everybody believes the liberals are "Canada's Natural Governing Party" N'esy Pas? 


David R. Amos 
Reply to @george bath: "I see. Harper supported SNC Lav bribery and thats ok?"

Methinks thats a nobrainer considering the fact that Mr Lynch Harper's former Clerk of the PCO is now Chair of the SNC Lavalin Board and he was the dude doing the calling to the PMO etc N'esy Pas? 











Steve Timmins
The real issue is that Sgro has no issues with what happened with SNC. She believes that companies with connections deserve special treatment and that's normal. That's the fundamental problem. People like her and many in the Liberal party as whole could care less about you and me, since the companies like SNC are the ones butter their bread.  


David R. Amos 
Reply to @Steve Timmins: YUP  








Mark Deckard
I wished Liberals cared as much for their country as much as they do for Trudeau.  


David R. Amos
Reply to @Mark Deckard: Good luck with that wish 











Robin Mack
Judy Sgro is well past her "Best Before" date. She should be the poster child for term limits.  


Ivan Nano
Reply to @Robin Mack: So you have a problem with experienced women? 


David R. Amos 
Reply to @Ivan Nano: Define experienced 










Alice P Lynne
They spell "justice" JUST US.  


David R. Amos
Reply to @Alice P Lynne: YUP 



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