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Methinks the Minister will remain forever mum on matters of political patronage N'esy Pas?
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https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/new-brunswick-libraries-kevin-cormier-coon-holder-program-review-1.5492262
Government program that made controversial library appointment under review
Labour minister stands by appointment of Kevin Cormier but acknowledges public concern over qualifications
CBC News · Posted: Mar 14, 2020 8:00 AM AT
Kevin Cormier, whose appointment as executive director of the New Brunswick Public Library Service took effect Feb. 18, has not responded to requests for an interview. (Kevin Cormier/Facebook)
The New Brunswick government is reviewing the internal program that the new head of the provincial public library service was appointed under, says the minister of post-secondary education, training and labour.
Trevor Holder made the announcement in the legislature Friday in response to questions from Green Party Leader David Coon who said he was "appalled" by the appointment of Kevin Cormier as executive director, given his apparent lack of library training or experience.
"I bet he doesn't even have a library card," said Coon.
"Will the minister … admit that this was a mistake and ensure someone with a background that would qualify them for this job, such as a master's degree in library science, for example, is hired to run our important public library service?" he asked, prompting applause.
The government's decision to put Cormier in charge of the province's 64 public libraries has become the focus of a widespread public discussion since CBC News reported on his Feb. 18 appointment to the position, which pays $114,000 annually.
Cormier's LinkedIn profile lists his education as a single year at York University's Schulich School of Business in Toronto (2005) and two years at the Moncton Flight College (1998-2000).
He spent the past year at the government's Executive Council Office and previously served seven years as the CEO of Kings Landing historical settlement near Fredericton.
A combination of education, training and experience may be considered, the ad said.
Green Party Leader David Coon said Friday a recent report found library users are 'overwhelmingly satisfied' with the service they receive and in order to maintain a strong service, he contends it must be run by someone with the appropriate qualifications. (Jacques Poitras/CBC)
Holder, who is responsible for libraries, reiterated Friday that he has "complete confidence" in the controversial appointment made by his former deputy minister Sadie Perron under the Corporate Talent Management Program.
The program provides current and aspiring executives in the upper pay bands with opportunities to further develop their competencies within and/or outside their current department.
"It has been used throughout the years to move people around throughout government and that's exactly what happened here," said Holder.
"Now having said that, I understand there's some public concern here and that's why the premier [and] myself have spoken to the Department of Human Resources and we're actually currently having a review of the talent management program just to make sure that it does what it's supposed to do," he said.
"And if there can be any improvements made to that program, we will do that."
Remains mum on qualifications
Cormier has not responded to numerous requests for an interview.Holder has previously defended the appointment, saying there was no political patronage involved "whatsoever."
But he has declined to discuss Cormier's qualifications, or the qualifications of the 11 people who applied for the job when it was initially posted as an open competition.
"What I would suggest is that New Brunswickers give this individual the time to prove himself," Holder had said.
Labour Minister Trevor Holder says he has never publicly talked about any civil servant's qualifications and he's 'not about to start now.' (Ed Hunter/CBC)
Two days later, Mount Allison University's library council wrote a letter to Holder, calling the appointment "unjustifiable."
Any professional librarian position in Canada requires a master's-level degree, according to the Sackville-based group.
The appointment of an executive director who doesn't have a master's — or any university degree, according to his LinkedIn profile — is "troubling and will be damaging to the [New Brunswick Public Library Service], to librarianship as a profession, and to the reputation of our province," the letter alleges.
In effect, your government is telling the people of New Brunswick and the rest of the country that professional knowledge and experience are no longer respected or required.
- Mount Allison University Library Council"In effect, your government is telling the people of New Brunswick and the rest of the country that professional knowledge and experience are no longer respected or required to continue the work of the NBPLS."
The council contends Cormier won't be able to offer any "useful or knowledgeable advice or guidance" regarding library services and programming, or the development of print and digital library collections. It will demoralize staff and make their jobs more difficult to perform, the council said.
It asked Holder to reconsider "this most unfortunate decision."
'This is wrong'
Fredericton resident Maureen McKee is calling on the government to rescind Cormier's appointment.She was at the legislature Tuesday with one of the placards she purchased, bearing the slogan,
"HIGGS LIBRARY APPOINTMENT SHAMEFUL."
McKee has also been busy posting and distributing flyers over the past few weeks, encouraging citizens to "act now," "stand up," and "tell" Premier Blaine Higgs to rescind the appointment.
Fredericton resident Maureen McKee said the government's 'total disregard' for the qualifications in the job posting feels like a 'slap in the face' to New Brunswickers. (Submitted by Maureen McKee)
She has nothing against Cormier personally, she said. And while she's a library user, that's not the main issue for her.
It's the government's "blatant ignoring" of its own job posting and the listed qualifications, she said. "This is wrong."
"Essential — does that word not mean something?" asked McKee, noting the job posting said, "applicants must clearly demonstrate the essential qualifications to be given further consideration."
She finds it "distressing and concerning" the government would show such "total disregard and disrespect for the people of New Brunswick," she said.
Last weekend, McKee posted placards outside the market, calling Kevin Cormier's appointment 'shameful.' (Submitted)
"It's also very disrespectful and devalues the library profession and young people who are going into debt and working hard to get qualifications for different positions."
McKee, who did volunteer work for former Fredericton Liberal MP Matt DeCourcey last year, said she doesn't consider herself particularly political or an activist.
But the 72-year-old retired health care worker, who is a grandmother of six, feels a responsibility to speak up "when something appears to be wrong" to try to create change.
The government is often forced to make difficult decisions in complex situations, she said. But this one, to her, is simple.
She said she remains optimistic the government will show respect for the people of New Brunswick and "make a wrong right."
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David Amos
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"I bet he doesn't even have a library card," I bet Mr Coon knows why I don't have a Medicare Card
David Amos
I wonder if Trevor Holder and his buddy Kevin Cormier will allow me to have a library card in light of the fact that there is a "Stay" on my Medicare Card
David Amos
McKee, who did volunteer work for former Fredericton Liberal MP Matt DeCourcey last year, said she doesn't consider herself particularly political or an activist."
Yea Right
David Amos
Reply to @David Amos:
Methinks the lady must know who the liberal/SANB/lawyer/MLA Bobby McKee
is Perhaps he should speak of her concerns in the house N'esy Pas?
David Amos
Methinks the Minister will remain mum on the matter N'esy Pas?
Minister mum on qualifications of new head of public library service
Kevin Cormier may have no library experience, but Trevor Holder says give him a chance in top job
Bobbi-Jean MacKinnon · CBC News · Posted: Mar 04, 2020 11:54 AM AT
Terry Tibbs
Reply to @David Amos:
This is too funny.
Even the old age home workers (including the cooks and laundry folks), who Mr Higgs simply refuses to give a raise/cost of living increase to, have more qualifications for this job.
David Amos
Reply to @Terry Tibbs: What is adding to the circus is the things going "POOF"
David Amos
Methinks Kevin Cormier, Trevor Holder, Chucky Leblanc, his buddy the Green Party leader and many librarians are well aware that I am enjoying this circus while defending my favourite public institution N'esy Pas?
Hank Fletcher
Kevin Cormier is a patsy hired to shut down provincial libraries without it reflecting directly on Progressive Conservative MLAs. It's contrary to the PCs' interests for the NB populace to inform themselves by any other means than a PC-controlled narrative. Objective reasoning and critical thought are the PCs' sworn enemy.
David Amos
Reply to @Hank Fletcher: Methinks all the political gangs have the same enemy N'esy Pas?
Murray Brown
This is a joke... Right? Why the government continues on with this charade is mind-boggling and the CBC's acceptance of this phony narrative is even more astounding. This was a political appointment... Period! To offer any other explanation or accept any other explanation is ridiculous.
David Amos
Reply to @Murray
Brown: Welcome to the circus in Fat Fred City that the leader of the
Green Party is now the self declared ringmaster of
Lewis Taylor
Typical PC cronyism. No qualifications and the big paycheque. Must be fun get those jobs without studying or relevant experience. Funny thing is when they are out of power they accuse others of their crimes...reminds me of Trump.
Wayne
Wright
Reply to @Lewis Taylor: PC cronyism!! Like the NB Libs never, ever practiced the cronyism craft! What a laugh.
Having said that, Trevor Holder should be ashamed to be associated with this appointment. So Cormier has some "business" education but not a University based course, just a simple course taking very, very basic skills. His private pilot course is of no value whatsoever in this job appointment. Unfortunately the pilot course does not specify the certificate(s) received but guaranteed there were no credits toward management skill.
This appointment needs to be rescinded. It is no different than Donald Trump swing in the wind performance, Cormier will be so ineffective with real librarians.
Having said that, Trevor Holder should be ashamed to be associated with this appointment. So Cormier has some "business" education but not a University based course, just a simple course taking very, very basic skills. His private pilot course is of no value whatsoever in this job appointment. Unfortunately the pilot course does not specify the certificate(s) received but guaranteed there were no credits toward management skill.
This appointment needs to be rescinded. It is no different than Donald Trump swing in the wind performance, Cormier will be so ineffective with real librarians.
David Amos
Reply to @Wayne
Wright: Methinks there is little doubt that little Louie knows all about
cronyism because of personal experience within his favourite politcal
gang N'esy Pas?
Fred Brewer
Well folks... clearly the government is not listening and will stand firm on this despicable display of a partisan appointment of a totally unqualified candidate. Our only recourse is to remember this and other boondoggles of the CONS when it comes time for an election. I say send the Premier and all of his MLA's packing at election time since they clearly are not qualified.
Wayne Wright
Reply to @Fred
Brewer: exactly a good description of the "hero" Liberal Leader Vickers,
clearly not qualified & exactly the same said about wonderful Brian
Gallant & whatshisname before Gallant.
Fred Brewer
Reply to @Wayne Wright: Agreed. Therefore we need to elect a Green/Purple government.
David Amos
Reply to @Fred Brewer: Yea Right
Gary Melanson
My first comment got axed. So you can guess I'm not a fan of this decision. Bad move for the government.
David Amos
Reply to @Gary
Melanson: Methinks many folks would like the read the opinions of others
particularly the ones that the government does not want us to. If other
folks don't like our opinions they can use the option of blocking our
words on an individual basis N'esy Pas?
Terry Tibbs
It is always good to know than in NB Inclusion is not limited to our schools.
David Amos
Reply to @Terry
Tibbs: Welcome back to the circus Methinks it comical that even
Deschamps has added his two bits worth today N'esy Pas?
Justin Gunther
Do an interview. If I were in your shoes I'd do the interview. I'd do all the interviews. But I wouldn't be in your shoes because we don't have the same friends.
David Amos
Reply to @Justin
Gunther: Methinks you would enjoy Madame McKee's interview with Chucky
Leblanc even though his buddy Higgy may not N'esy Pas?
george johnson
"The program provides current and aspiring executives in the upper pay bands with opportunities to further develop their competencies within and/or outside their current department."
How do you get into this circle, sounds like a person can't lose once in, bigger and better jobs no matter how well you preform or are qualified.
David Amos
Reply to @george
johnson: Methinks political science is not rocket science particularly
in New Brunswick. In my humble opinion a fast track to success would be
to become a card carrying member of the SANB and any political party you
wish as long as they where a red or blue coat. Then work hard for free
for a candidate whom you are certain will be elected. If they are then
you will be in like Flynn N'esy Pas?
Daniel Rawlins
Come on it's the public service sector .... once you're in you;re in qualifications matter not. It's who you know and do the elbow bump with that determines the outcome of public service job openings.
Justin Gunther
Reply to @Daniel Rawlins: Yes, we know that. We're trying to change it.
David Amos
Reply to @Justin Gunther: Dream on
Lou Bell
A government program that lists job postings AND MINIMUM requirements , and then hires completely unqualified people to these jobs NEEDS TO BE ELIMINATED completely ! No reviews, nothing else, end it NOW !! And get rid of people who obviously ( see " Sadie the cleaning Lady " ) who obviously are in it waaaayyy over their heads when it comes to any management positions ! Would be a great start in downsizing government !
Justin Gunther
Reply to @Lou Bell:
No Lou you misunderstand. He IS qualified because he runs in certain
circles. Do you get it? He isn't qualified, but he is because friends,
and the government is doubling-down on telling us that is a right and
good thing ;).
David Amos
Reply to @Justin Gunther: BINGO
Lewis Taylor
Reply to @Lou Bell:
As a sycophant of the PC party you know that this happens ad nauseum. For all we know you are this Kevin Cormier. The partisan hackery is at its paramount when PCs are in government...it will end soon.
Lou Bell
I think Mr. Cormier needs to take his flying skills and fly the H E double hockey sticks outta the patronage appointment and find a job ( such as Walmart clerk ) that he's more qualified for .
Steve Cohen
Reply to @Lou Bell:
Agree. And, every article mentions the two years at the Moncton Flight
College but nothing indicates he actually acquired a pilot's license.
David Amos
Reply to @Lou Bell:
Methinks you should ask yourself where your buddy Johnny "Never Been
Good" Horton is and why he has fallen silent on this issue since our
very public spit and chew on this topic last week N'esy Pas?
Winston Smith
Reply to @David Amos:
One wonders what the relationship between Sadie Perron and Kevin Cormier is.....Was there a quid pro quo of some nature? Hmmm
David Amos
Reply to @Winston
Smith: Methinks there is none whatsoever No doubt some political pundits
would agree that it was just Higgy moving loyal minions into secure
positions in case his government fell N'esy Pas?
Fred Brewer
Reply to @Winston Smith: And after hiring him, Sadie cut and run did she not?
Sounds fishy.
Lewis Taylor
Reply to @Lou Bell:
Your beloved PC government did this. Not the guy who collects the pork.
Your beloved PC government did this. Not the guy who collects the pork.
Steve Cohen
"the premier [and] myself have spoken to . . . " said Holder. "Myself"? Makes me wonder, in addition to Cormier, if Holder has any education.
To Maureen McKee - good for you. This is worth fighting for.
David Amos
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Reply to @Steve
Cohen: Methinks Holder and Higgy know Ithat have talked to some
interesting people on the phone, sent several emails and made many
comments on this matter as soon as it was leaked and the story was
published N'esy Pas?
David Amos
Reply to @Steve Cohen: Too bad so sad that you cannot read my reply
Steve Cohen
Reply to @David Amos: why can't I?
David Amos
Reply to @Steve Cohen: Ask CBC
David Amos
Reply to @Steve Cohen: Methinks Higgy and everybody else knows it will be in my blog in short order N'esy Pas?
Noel Fowles
Reply to @Steve Cohen: well, they are about themselves, so this would fit. I think
Lou Bell
Methinks Sadie is more qualified for no better than as " a cleaning lady " , than even being the interim head of any department ! She obviously is/ was not qualified to make any type of job appointment ! Is it not quite obvious she attempted to " sneak " this appointment in under the radar before she was moved !!!!!!!!
David Amos
Reply to @Lou Bell:
Methinks you are becoming a fan of mine because you are not only
introducing yourself like I do but you are now echoing some of my
opinions since this matter was first leaked which is long before McKee
and the Green Party leader stepped up to the plate and starting winging
N'esy Pas?
Lou Bell
There are two parts to this story . The first is the OBVIOUS partisan appointment ( and by partisan I don't just mean pro Conservative ) by the INTERIM BOSS ! She is completely responsible for this appointment of a completel unqualified person to the position ! Not only should Cormier be disqualified , but the lady responsible for this , whos has been promoted to another position should be gone !! If this is the criteria she promotes in doing her job , then it's JUST NOT GOOD ENOUGH !!
David Amos
Reply to @Lou Bell:
Methinks thinks there are three parts to this and the more important
part is what you are not saying about your hero Higgy and I N'esy Pas?
Lewis Taylor
Reply to @Lou Bell:
Drain the PC swamp.
Dianne MacPherson
Mr. Cormier in not coming forward in his defense
speaks volumes !!!
Even he can't justify to the Public why he should
have this position !!!
Steve
Cohen
Reply to @Dianne
MacPherson: I agree with you, but in another sense he may be under
legal advice not too. As much as I disagree with his appointment, he
was given the job and that was not his 'fault'. He can likely sue
successfully if it is pulled back.
Lou Bell
Reply to @Steve
Cohen: And Sadie should be fired also ! She obviously isn't qualified to
be in any position more than as a clerk maybe for Service NB , if that
!!!
David Amos
Reply to @Lou Bell: True
Lewis Taylor
Reply to @Lou Bell:
and the Service NB minister should also be fired....right Louis?
David Amos
Reply to @Lewis
Taylor: Methinks everybody but you knows your buddy is a woman and her
name is not spelled your way either N'esy Pas?
Lou Bell
The interim boss who appointed Cormier took one last self serving lead in appointing a completely unqualified person to the job ! She should never have been promoted to her current position after such an ignorant personalized appointment ! Sooo transparent what was done !
David Amos
Reply to @Lou Bell:
Methinks the tally of views (75 as of now) of your buddy Chucky
Leblanc's interview of the McKee woman on March 10th will begin to climb
now N'esy Pas?
Lou Bell
Reply to @David Amos: Never met Chuck or even read his blogs. Have read of his arrests though. His profile falls more along the lines you follow , other than he appears to have more followers.
David Amos
Reply to @Lou Bell:
Methinks everybody knows that I had a a blog and a YouTube Channel (1000
subscribers 10 years ago) before your buddy Chucky ever did. In fact
even Bernie Lord knows that I gave Leblanc his first computer in front
of the legislature while I was running in the election of the the 38th
Parliament in 20O4 N'esy Pas?
Mac Isaac
This story, which I've read many times, seems to indicate that Mr. Cormier doesn't even have a Bachelor's degree in ANYTHING, let alone a Master's degree in Library Science. If that is true it essentially means that the only possible qualification he has is that he "knew someone". It's no wonder his appointment has raised eyebrows...a year at the Schulich School of business (which earned him exactly what degree or diploma?) and two years at the Moncton Flight School....again what degree or diploma did he earn there? I think an important and relevant question for Mr. Holder is: Does Mr. Cormier even know what a book is and has he ever actually read one?
Gary Melanson
Reply to @Mac Isaac:
The Schulich School of Business is a high end business school, part of
York University in Ontario and they offer two, four year, undergraduate
business degrees and multiple Masters programs. There isn't anything
close to a one year program. Also very expensive.
David Amos
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Reply to @Mac Isaac: Methinks I should lay odds that you have not bothered to read anything I posted on this topic N'esy Pas?
Reply to @Mac Isaac: Methinks I should lay odds that you have not bothered to read anything I posted on this topic N'esy Pas?
Reply to @David Amos: BINGO
David Amos
Reply to @Mac Isaac: Methinks its clear that I touched a nerve again N'esy Pas?
Jonas Smith
The worst pay is that even Kevin feels no shame. He should resign from the position because he lacks the moral authority of those he's supposed to represent.
David White
Reply to @Jonas
Smith: if he did get removed, I wonder if he would sue for 'wrongful
dismissal' or be given a golden handshake for a job he never should
have?
Gary Melanson
Reply to @David White: Of Course, no-one leaves government without pockets full of cash.
David Amos
Reply to @Gary Melanson: Methinks its par for the course N'esy Pas?
David White
Reply to @Gary Melanson: They are quite generous with the taxpayer's money.
David White
Reply to @Gary Melanson: They are quite generous with the taxpayer's money.
David White
Regardless of who is in power, any Governments (so far) will exploit what they can for their own benefit in the guise of 'What's right for the people of NB'.
The NB Gov. itself, is a massive make-work program with over-representation of workers per capita. Kind of sad when an organization which gets 30 plus per cent of its budget through transfer payments is a main economic generator run for the most part by under-educated people.
David Amos
Reply to @David White: Well put
Roy Kirk
Tick-toc Trevor. Clean this mess up or party supporters will push the Premier to fix it for you, and 'fix' you in the process.
David Amos
Reply to @Roy Kirk: Yea Right
John Smit
"In effect, your government is telling the people of New Brunswick and the rest of the country that professional knowledge and experience are no longer respected or required."
- Mount Allison University Library Council
In reality our "bilingual" province has been the trend setter for this practice for decades. Patronage aside, if you can't speak Quebec french......bon chance.......it trumps any professional knowledge and experience. This is just the tip of the iceberg in that practice!
Matt
Steele
Reply to @John Smit:
.....Very true . Being able to speak french is the number one priority
in hiring for the N.B. govt ; and has resulted in many unqualified
people being hired into govt. positions . Welcome to N.B. ; Canada's
ONLY BILINGUAL province , and FAILED social experiment .
Larry Larson
Reply to @Matt
Steele: Nope, not at all. Being able to speak French AND have a last
name that is French will get you the job. One graduate in Moncton
applied under his English last name and got no takers for anything in
the government, even though his first language was French. When he
applied using his mother's French maiden name, his email went nuts!
David Amos
Reply to @Larry Larson: Methinks you should thank SANB for such nonsense N'esy Pas?
Marguerite Deschamps
Reply to @David Amos: ... speaking of the nonsense...
David Amos
Reply to @Marguerite
Deschamps: Methinks I must be speaking nonsense when I utter "Rosebud"
full well knowing you will never get the clue N'esy Pas?
Larry Larson
Reply to @David Amos: The SANB needs to be charged for their hate crimes. They are still angry about English text books when they were in high school in the 60s/70s.
Troy Murray
This is small potatoes. Look at the senate, ministers and people of decision and position in the country. There are tv personalities, old hockey players and plenty of people that have no qualification that actual make the laws. Give this guy a chance.
Marguerite Deschamps
Reply to @Troy
Murray: It is what it is... what it always was and what it will always
be, I might add. Human nature at work!
Ann Clarkson
Reply to @Troy
Murray: It does not have to be if we stand up for what s right. They
only do it because we let the corrupt get away with it.
David Amos
Reply to @Marguerite Deschamps: You should know
Troy Murray
Reply to @Ann Clarkson: Very true Ann. Only problem is only a small percentage make any noise. Many of the higher ups get caught with their hands in the cookie jar more than once, but still keep getting voted back in by the many. Sad, but true. What Marguerite said, it is what it is.
Troy Murray
Reply to @Ann Clarkson: Very true Ann. Only problem is only a small percentage make any noise. Many of the higher ups get caught with their hands in the cookie jar more than once, but still keep getting voted back in by the many. Sad, but true. What Marguerite said, it is what it is.
Marguerite Deschamps
David Amos
Reply to @Marguerite Deschamps: Methinks your fancy red knickers secured you one of those fine jobs so that you could ride on the Gravy Train for years then retire well N'esy Pas?
Reply to @David Amos: ... as any informed person knows.
David Amos
Reply to @Marguerite Deschamps: Methinks your fancy red knickers secured you one of those fine jobs so that you could ride on the Gravy Train for years then retire well N'esy Pas?
Fred Brewer
"Holder, who is responsible for libraries, reiterated Friday that he has "complete confidence" in the controversial appointment".
After making the above statement, Holder should tender his resignation. This is a disgrace. It is a sham. It is political patronage and needs to be reversed. The job posting clearly stated what were the "essential" qualifications and these ESSENTIAL qualification were then ignored.
OINK, OINK, OINK. An election cannot come soon enough for me.
Marguerite Deschamps
Reply to @Fred Brewer: Most of these jobs are patronage appointments, no matter the party in power.
David Amos
Reply to @Marguerite Deschamps: Methinks its hard to imagine you admitting that fact but I just read it N'esy Pas?
David Amos
Reply to @Marguerite
Deschamps: Methinks somebody should tell old Fred to invest in pork
belly futures No matter how far the stock markets fall the payola and
political patronage will go on and on and on and on N'esy Pas?
Greg Miller
Reply to @Fred Brewer: Given that statement how much confidence should we have in Holder???
Marguerite
Deschamps
Reply to @David Amos: I always did. It's the nature of the beast.
David Amos
Reply to @Marguerite
Deschamps: Methinks everybody knows you brag about enjoying living high
on the hog so you knowing all about pork should be a foregone conclusion
before dicing with the beast within you You are what you eat N'esy Pas?
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https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/lowe-vickers-higgs-budget-votes-1.5485599
Minister mum on qualifications of new head of public library service
Kevin Cormier may have no library experience, but Trevor Holder says give him a chance in top job
· CBC News · Posted: Mar 04, 2020 11:54 AM AT
Labour Minister Trevor Holder declined to discuss the qualifications of the 11 people who applied for the position. (Ed Hunter/CBC)
Department of Post-Secondary Education, Training and Labour Minister Trevor Holder is defending the controversial appointment of Kevin Cormier as executive director of the New Brunswick Public Library Service.
But he won't say why Cormier was hired or what makes him qualified to run the province's 64 public libraries.
"I have never publicly talked about any civil servant's qualifications and I'm not about to start now," Holder told reporters during a conference call on Wednesday.
Holder said it was unprecedented for a minister to be "wading into an individual human resource issue," but he acknowledged "there seems to be a whole lot of questions swirling around" and he wanted to "explain the process and everyone's involvement in it."
Cormier's apparent lack of library training or experience has become the focus of a widespread public discussion since CBC News reported on his Feb. 18 appointment to the position that pays $114,000 annually.
A combination of education, training and experience may be considered, it said.
Cormier's LinkedIn profile lists his education as a single year at York University's Schulich School of Business in Toronto (2005) and two years at the Moncton Flight College (1998-2000).
He got his start in the public service in 2004 under the former Bernard Lord government as manager of marketing and communications for Service New Brunswick. In 2008, he moved to the Department of Tourism, spending three years as manager of advertising and publications before moving on to become CEO of Kings Landing historical settlement near Fredericton for seven years. He spent the past year at the government's Executive Council Office.
He was appointed the head of the library service through the Corporate Talent Management Program, which provides current and aspiring executives in the upper pay bands with opportunities to further develop their competencies within and/or outside their current department.
What I would suggest is that New Brunswickers give this individual the time to prove himself.
- Trevor Holder, labour ministerHolder declined to discuss the qualifications of the 11 people who applied for the job when it was initially posted as an open competition.
He also declined to say whether he thinks the qualifications listed in the job posting are necessary.
"What
I will say is I do think that [the government] may potentially need to
look at how we word job applications overall, period, so that we're very
clear in what we want as a province and what we need to get there."
Asked
whether public confidence might be increased by a more transparent
government hiring and appointment process, Holder agreed it's something
that could be reviewed.
"Maybe there are ways that this can teach us how we move forward and make the hiring process better."
Holder said he understands some people "have concerns" about the appointment.
Trevor Holder, who was tourism minister in 2012, when he is pictured here with Kevin Cormier (left), then-executive director of Kings Landing and York MLA Carl Urquhart, said he was not involved in Cormier's appointment as the head of the public library service. (Government of New Brunswick)
But he has "complete confidence" the proper process was followed and that there was no political patronage involved "whatsoever."
"I want
to make myself crystal clear on this, I never had any knowledge of this
person's hiring until such time as my deputy minister informed me that
he had the job," he told reporters, who were limited to two questions
each during the conference call.
"If
anybody can prove one way or the other that myself, Premier [Blaine]
Higgs or the PC Party of New Brunswick had any involvement in this
hiring, they better cough it up, because it doesn't exist."
Deputy
ministers are responsible for the hiring of civil servants, said
Holder. The deputy minister who appointed Comier — Sadie Perron — is no
longer with the department. She was appointed interim CEO of
Opportunities New Brunswick, effective March 1.
Kevin Cormier, the executive director of the New Brunswick Public Library Service, previously served seven years as the chief executive officer of Kings Landing Corporation. (Kevin Cormier/Facebook)
Perron did not agree
to an interview Wednesday, but emailed a brief statement. Cormier has
the "qualifications and skills we are looking for at this time,
including leadership abilities, management experience, a
results-oriented collaborative approach with partners and stakeholders,
and creative thinking," she said.
Perron did not address concerns that have been raised about the discrepancy between the "essential qualifications" listed in the open competition and Cormier's public resume, but said she's confident the library service will "thrive" under his leadership.
Cormier has not responded to multiple requests for an interview.
The minister said he will be "watching this situation very closely."
"What I would suggest is that New Brunswickers give this individual the time to prove himself."
On Wednesday, Liberal Leader Kevin Vickers repeated his party's call for Cormier's appointment to be rescinded.
Sadie Perron, as former deputy minister of Post-Secondary Education, Training and Labour, appointed Kevin Cormier through the Corporate Talent Management Program. (Government of New Brunswick)
Union 'condemns' appointment
Earlier
this week, the Association of University of New Brunswick Teachers, the
largest union representing librarians in the province, issued a
statement, saying it "condemns" the appointment of a non-librarian as
the head of the provincial library service.
The union, which represents academic librarians, not the public library service librarians Cormier is now in charge of, contends "the education and expertise of professional librarians is fundamental to a strong public library system that serves the public good,"
Having librarians in leadership positions is "essential," it said, because librarians know the key issues facing public libraries and can advocate to political leaders who do not always understand the value of public libraries.
The AUNBT urged the government to "reconsider" its decision.
Last week, the Atlantic Provinces Library Association issued an open letter to Holder expressing "concerns" and seeking clarification of Cormier's qualifications.
The outgoing chair of the New Brunswick Public Libraries Board, René Ephestion, who only learned of Cormier's appointment through a CBC report, also expressed concerns and requested an immediate meeting to discuss his "intentions."
Ephestion, a former Liberal leadership candidate, said he feared Cormier was brought in to "cut more."
The minister said there are no plans to make any major changes right now.
"We're looking at ways to enhance the library system to make it better and stronger for the people in New Brunswick," said Holder.
He said his department will make sure the necessary funding and policies are in place to ensure a vibrant system.
252 Comments
Commenting is now closed for this story.David Amos
"I
want to make myself crystal clear on this, I never had any knowledge of
this person's hiring until such time as my deputy minister informed me
that he had the job,"
BS
BS
David Amos
Reply to @David Amos:
Methinks its blatantly obvious why THAT deputy minister got a new job
and soon as the scandal broke out N'esy Pas?David Amos
Reply to @David Amos:
Methinks both people will get to keep their fancy new jobs for years
even if Higgy's circus has to fold its tent this month N'esy Pas?
Johnny Horton
Reply to @David Amos:
No different than sll the liberal plants over the decades still working.
No different than sll the liberal plants over the decades still working.
David Amos
Reply to @Johnny Horton: Whats your point?
Terry Tibbs
Next time I go to see my doctor should I be asking her to see her credentials?
(in this "just kidding" province where credentials, and experience,
count for nothing when someone in government decides to give someone a
chance)
Terry Tibbs
Reply to @Terry Tibbs: How is your portable wealth doing lately?
David Amos
Reply to @Terry Tibbs: Oops I see that you answered me already
Paul Bourgoin
You hired him and if I
understand right he must have been rated as qualified, you gave him the
Job. Now he isn't competent WHY?
Ben
Haroldson
Reply to @Paul Bourgoin: Because he never was. You need to learn how politicians work.
David Amos
Reply to @Ben
Haroldson: Methinks many would agree that the politicians don't work
They just play wicked games with our money N'esy Pas?
McKenzie King
It's terrible that the Minister of the Department of Post-Secondary Education, Training and Labour thinks so poorly of actual academic qualifications. How can he impress upon prospective students and employers the importance of proper certified training if he thinks so little of it himself? This is a bad move, and should be corrected.
Terry Tibbs
Reply to @McKenzie King:
It's hard, in this case, to actually pin down "the bad move", isn't it?
Do we start in the beginning when folks *thought* it a good idea to vote CONServative? Do we wait until Mr Higgs picked Trevor Holder to be Minister of Post Secondary Education? Or was it when Mr Cormier was appointed to his current job?
Maybe it wasn't one bad move? Maybe it was a comedy of errors?
It's hard, in this case, to actually pin down "the bad move", isn't it?
Do we start in the beginning when folks *thought* it a good idea to vote CONServative? Do we wait until Mr Higgs picked Trevor Holder to be Minister of Post Secondary Education? Or was it when Mr Cormier was appointed to his current job?
Maybe it wasn't one bad move? Maybe it was a comedy of errors?
David Amos
Reply to @McKenzie
King: Methinks many would agree that Holder's statements long after
after this nonsense was revealed easily proves that he is as dumb as a
post and certainly not qualified for his cabinet position N'esy Pas?
Fred Brewer
I have zero medical experience, but I want to be Chief Medical Officer for NB. Where do I apply Mr. Holder? I deserve a chance, right?
Roy Kirk
Reply to @Fred Brewer: It depends. What's your opinion on glyphosate? :-(
Bryan
Jones
Reply to @Fred
Brewer: If you're willing to try it then I'm quite prepared to let you
have a go. Just sign this contract, no you don't need to read it.
Terry Tibbs
Reply to @Roy Kirk:
Always with the "trick questions".
Always with the "trick questions".
David Amos
Reply to @Bryan
Jones: Methinks if Freddy Baby were truly clever he would reach for the
top and run under Vicky's banner in the next election Then if the
liberals won the mandate perhaps Brewer would be given Flemming's
position. Then he could fire the current Chief Medical Officer and
appoint his favourite person to the fancy position to do his bidding
N'esy Pas?
Justin Gunther
"Give him a chance."
Make me.
Fred Brewer
Reply to @Justin
Gunther: He had a chance as CEO of Kings Landing and what a train wreck
that was. He does not deserve another chance. He deserves the boot.
David Amos
Reply to @Justin
Gunther: Methinks many of us will give Cormier a chance simply because
we don't want to miss him playing his part at the circus N'esy Pas?
Kyle Woodman
Library users are a bad constituency to pick a fight with.
David Amos
Reply to @Kyle Woodman: Methinks it depends on the type of fight N'esy Pas?
David Amos
Reply to @Kyle
Woodman: I have known men that have never read a book in their life whom
I would trust with mine and did so on occasion.
David Amos
Reply to @Kyle
Woodman: I can introduce you to legions of lawyers who have read quite
literately tons of books whom I would not trust to back me up in fight
before the bar or in a bar.
Johnny Horton
How about the librarians and their associations actually worry about getting librarians in and running our branches, before they mouth off about who they must bow to. See,S to me them not demanding their coworkers be librarians is quite hypocritical.
David Amos
Reply to @Johnny
Horton: Librarians are not hypocritical but you definitely are. Infact
you are far worse. A few days day ago you falsely claimed that I harass
people but failed to name even one WHY???
David Amos
Reply to @Johnny
Horton: Methinks folks should wonder why a person with a name nobody
believes has started about 10 threads of the 20 or so found immediately
below this one and peppered the rest with your vitriol against
librarians. What have they ever done to you? Whereas you have made a
habit of doing so on no matter what the topic, it is rather obvious that
you are playing politics for the benefit of Higgy and his Irving
cohorts. At least I put my name on the ballot and file my beefs with
"The Powers That Be" in court. I also post in here with my real name as
per the rules of this domain. You have no right whatsoever to judge me
or criticize anyone else until you do the same N'esy Pas?
Johnny
Horton
Reply to @David Amos:
I answered that. Your contacting all the Marc martins attempting to find the poster named that.
You are also probably aware it is not illegal to use your legally given middle name as your name. In fact over thirty percent of Canadians do so.
I answered that. Your contacting all the Marc martins attempting to find the poster named that.
You are also probably aware it is not illegal to use your legally given middle name as your name. In fact over thirty percent of Canadians do so.
David Amos
Reply to @Johnny
Horton: I now know who Marc Martin is by process of elimination and I
certainly did call and email the Fed and the SNB dude. However I did not
harass them as you FALSELY claim. Say Hey to Higgy and his lawyers for
me Will Ya? Trust that you will be NAMED in another lawsuit that I will
file about real world harassment of Me Myself and I.
Johnny
Horton
Reply to @David Amos:
Unsolicited contact is harassment,
Unsolicited contact is harassment,
David Amos
Reply to @Johnny Horton: Nope
David Amos
Reply to @Johnny Horton: How many politicians have knocked on your door but I never have YET CORRECT?
David Amos
Content disabled
Reply to @Johnny Horton: However libel is criminal
Marc Martin
Reply to @Johnny Horton: *Your contacting all the Marc martins attempting to find the poster named that. * Yep that is true.
Marc Martin
Reply to @David Amos:
*I now know who Marc Martin is by process of elimination and I
certainly did call and email the Fed and the SNB dude.* No you didn't I
am still waiting for this sheriff of yours since last year.
Marc Martin
Reply to @David Amos: *and I certainly did call and email the Fed and the SNB dude. * And they all don't care..
David Amos
Reply to @Marc Martin: Methinks you and Kelly certainly do N'esy Pas?
David Amos
Reply to @Johnny Horton: Has the cat got your tongue again?
Johnny Horton
If the guy is qualified or not, nobody deserves the risking yrhrough the mud he has in these forums for simply getting a job.
Decency in this day and age is dead.
David Amos
Reply to @Johnny Horton: You are one to talk
Johnny Horton
Reply to @David Amos:
Show me where I raked Cormier through the mud over getting the job.
Show me where I raked Cormier through the mud over getting the job.
David Amos
Reply to @Johnny
Horton: YO Ye without a real name. Don't try twist my words. I never
said that you attacked your fellow conservative spindoctor. Methinks you
dudes should review what you have said of Me Myself and I N'esy Pas?
Johnny Horton
Reply to @David Amos:
What have I said about you that you yourself has not said. I mocked you running for offices you publicly have yourself. That you weren’t running to help others but further your own lawsuits,
What have I said about you that you yourself has not said. I mocked you running for offices you publicly have yourself. That you weren’t running to help others but further your own lawsuits,
David Amos
Reply to @Johnny
Horton: Methinks you lawyer should read the aforementioned lawsuits then
try to explain them to you real slow before you embarrass Higgy and his
Irving buddies even more than you already have N'esy Pas?
Roland Stewart
A secret can stay a secret if nobody talks.
Johnny Horton
Reply to @Roland Stewart:
A secret can remain a secret if people respect our privacy laws.
A secret can remain a secret if people respect our privacy laws.
René
Ephestion
Reply to @Johnny Horton: Johnny, what's your job? Defusing crises for the conservative party on social networks?
David Amos
Reply to @René
Ephestion: Methinks his job is the same as to yours but on the other
side of the fence However at least you have a real name N'esy Pas?
Johnny Horton
Government
shouldn’t even be in the library business. It should be community based
funded by the community members that want it.
David Amos
Reply to @Johnny Horton: Methinks you just proved how dumb you truly are about "PUBLIC" libraries N'esy Pas?
Johnny Horton
Make. O mistake, this all about turf and protectionism. Nothing to do with what is best for the public,
Travis Stewart
Reply to @Johnny
Horton: Johnny, you've already argued that patronage is not a problem.
You are the only one who wants to protect turf. Everyone is laughing at
you. I know you probably think they are angry, but this is fun, because
it is so sad.
Johnny Horton
Reply to @Travis Stewart:
The turf protecting is the librarians demanding they run a multi million dollar operation.
The turf protecting is the librarians demanding they run a multi million dollar operation.
Johnny Horton
Reply to @Travis Stewart:
If they are risking me through the mud, they are not risking Cormier, an employee, so ill take the hits do the man can maintain what shred of privacy he might have left after this witch hunt. And I’ve never even met the guy. But it is the decent thing to do.
If they are risking me through the mud, they are not risking Cormier, an employee, so ill take the hits do the man can maintain what shred of privacy he might have left after this witch hunt. And I’ve never even met the guy. But it is the decent thing to do.
David Amos
Reply to @Johnny
Horton: Methinks you only care about what is best for the part of the
public that work with the Irving Clan N'esy Pas?
Johnny Horton
Reply to @David Amos:
Me thinks I think and care about myself and my own, and I don’t really care what others do or have.
Me thinks I think and care about myself and my own, and I don’t really care what others do or have.
David Amos
Reply to @Johnny Horton: Methinks thats blatantly obvious Thats why you follow Irving orders so well N'esy Pas?
Johnny Horton
Reply to @David Amos:
What don’t you understand about - my own thin- guess that means Irving to you. I don’t buy any Irving products. I’ve never made a dollar off an Irving pay cheque or pay out. Fact.
What don’t you understand about - my own thin- guess that means Irving to you. I don’t buy any Irving products. I’ve never made a dollar off an Irving pay cheque or pay out. Fact.
David Amos
Reply to @Johnny Horton: BS
Johnny Horton
Go
and look at the MI degree st Dalhousie and the required courses. Very
scan on training to run a multi million dollar operation with thousands
of employees.
David Amos
Reply to @Johnny Horton: Cry me a river
pete prosser
Sure , come back to New Brunswick. Bring your talent. The gong show is looking for contestants.
David Amos
Reply to @pete prosser: Welcome to the circus
Michael durant
If he can do index cards a year from now then all the best to the young man. We are a very special province that does things differently.
David Amos
Reply to @Michael durant: Methinks public corruption is a worldwide problem N'esy Pas?
Johnny Horton
I mean seriously who cares if it is patronage, I’ll bet anything thst most of the posters here got jobs through patronage and nepotism.
Ben Haroldson
Reply to @Johnny
Horton: I, and thousands of others including students use the library a
lot, and we don't need any slashers and burners running it.
Johnny
Horton
Reply to @Ben Haroldson:
A librarian runs the benson you use. Well most likely. We do have branches thst the head is not s librarian.
Who the librarians boss is doesn’t really impact the matter.
A librarian runs the benson you use. Well most likely. We do have branches thst the head is not s librarian.
Who the librarians boss is doesn’t really impact the matter.
Helen Gorne
Reply to @Johnny Horton: Yep... Who you know, I wouldn't want to be without it.
Johnny
Horton
Reply to @Helen Gorne:
There’s a lot of things in life that aren’t fair. Society has a whole seems to have little interest in changing those though. Who you know - only exists because people keep using it.
Hiring would be based on qualifications, but first that requires people to actually stop using favours. Canadians certainly have shown they have no interest in stopping from calling in fsvours to get ahead. It’s even being taught as valid in our universities.
There’s a lot of things in life that aren’t fair. Society has a whole seems to have little interest in changing those though. Who you know - only exists because people keep using it.
Hiring would be based on qualifications, but first that requires people to actually stop using favours. Canadians certainly have shown they have no interest in stopping from calling in fsvours to get ahead. It’s even being taught as valid in our universities.
Samual Johnston
Reply to @Johnny Horton: you would if you lost a job to it....and you should care as a tax payer
Travis Stewart
Reply to @Johnny Horton: This is sad. You've gone from weakly defending the decision to actually defending patronage.
David Amos
Reply to @Johnny
Horton: Methinks everybody now knows why a Irving shill who brags that
he supports patronage and nepotism will never identify himself N'esy
Pas?
Johnny
Horton
Reply to @Travis Stewart:
I’ve always defended the concept it doesn’t matter how someone got a job. It’s if they do the job once in the position or not.
I will never stray from that belief.
I’ve always defended the concept it doesn’t matter how someone got a job. It’s if they do the job once in the position or not.
I will never stray from that belief.
Samual Johnston
Reply to @Johnny
Horton: am calling BS that you don’t care at all about hiring
process...unless you just don’t care what is fair...possible I guess
Johnny
Horton
Reply to @Samual Johnston: Samuel,
You said the same in the previous thread and it was clo#3$ before I could answer.
Then you clearly do not know me. I believe in hard work and doing one’s job and it’s dories, anything else in the business or enterprise is not my business.
If I were lsssed over, I was clearly not their choice. For whatever reason. I most certainly would not then want to turn srunsnd fight for the job I wasn’t wanted for.
Some of us are actually happy and content just doing the job we were hired for. If we don’t get promoted, we can either continue working, or we can move on. The world isn’t always bsout *i* and perceived entitlements.
You said the same in the previous thread and it was clo#3$ before I could answer.
Then you clearly do not know me. I believe in hard work and doing one’s job and it’s dories, anything else in the business or enterprise is not my business.
If I were lsssed over, I was clearly not their choice. For whatever reason. I most certainly would not then want to turn srunsnd fight for the job I wasn’t wanted for.
Some of us are actually happy and content just doing the job we were hired for. If we don’t get promoted, we can either continue working, or we can move on. The world isn’t always bsout *i* and perceived entitlements.
Johnny
Horton
Reply to @Samual Johnston:
I believe in doing your job and keeping your nose out of others above you. If I feel the business or organization is unethical to the point it bother me, and I have s high level of ethics, I’d leave rather than demand change above my level.
I believe in doing your job and keeping your nose out of others above you. If I feel the business or organization is unethical to the point it bother me, and I have s high level of ethics, I’d leave rather than demand change above my level.
Samual Johnston
Reply to @Johnny
Horton: this is about government positions. You don’t believe rules
need to be followed either. I showed you the qualifications and that it
was experience in addition to not lieu of .... yet you still say who
cares. One can only conclude you are just arguing to argue. Imagine a
government with no fair hiring practices regulations. Sure patronage
happens but we call it out and fight against it as it is fundamentally
wrong and against a democratic government system.
Samual Johnston
Reply to @Johnny Horton: sure but most do not turn a blind eye. They want a fair and ethical system
Johnny
Horton
Reply to @Samual Johnston:
This world was built on family business, family farms, inheritances. I’ll not oppose such,
This world was built on family business, family farms, inheritances. I’ll not oppose such,
Samual Johnston
Reply to @Johnny
Horton: so a dictatorial government is ok then...a monarchy perhaps
where all the kings men are in charge and such.... am surprised how
you argue this point based on previous debates. Is impossible to debate
someone who does not care and hold no logical position. Again not to
acknowledge the facts that he was hired sans qualifications shows as
much
Johnny
Horton
Reply to @Samual Johnston:
I’m saying I don’t care if he was qualified or not base$ on some application requirements, I’ve never said ping master should be a ceo. There are lots of great workers who don’t specifically check every box.
I’m saying I don’t care if he was qualified or not base$ on some application requirements, I’ve never said ping master should be a ceo. There are lots of great workers who don’t specifically check every box.
Johnny
Horton
Reply to @Samual Johnston:
You are fixated on some posted qualifications as the end all and be all. That is what I disagree with. I think people should be hired for their ability and visions and not just because they meet some checkboxes some other person came up with,
You are fixated on some posted qualifications as the end all and be all. That is what I disagree with. I think people should be hired for their ability and visions and not just because they meet some checkboxes some other person came up with,
Johnny Horton
Reply to @Samual Johnston:
There is a difference between those in power who make the laws of the land and those who do the work of the lawmakers,
The former should be democratically elected in an open transparent process. The letter serve street the behest of the former. If the former do not do as the masses like, they can be replaced in a democratic process. The letter can be fired if incompetent.
The former should be prepared to lose most of their privacy. The letter should never be required to lose any.
There is a difference between those in power who make the laws of the land and those who do the work of the lawmakers,
The former should be democratically elected in an open transparent process. The letter serve street the behest of the former. If the former do not do as the masses like, they can be replaced in a democratic process. The letter can be fired if incompetent.
The former should be prepared to lose most of their privacy. The letter should never be required to lose any.
David Amos
Reply to @Johnny Horton: Methinks you could not handle the simple truth about yourself so you buried it with BS N'esy Pas?
Samual Johnston
Reply to @Johnny
Horton: fixated on the facts as we know them not my personal opinion on
hiring process. Again. If the facts are correct as presented and the
qualifications were deemed essential and the process was not followed
would you not agree that he should not have been hired? You are mixing
up your beliefs with reality. It is ok to disagree with the rules or
regulations or procedures but at least acknowledge that they exist and
were not followed. Do that then argue you don’t care about x,y,z.
Samual Johnston
Reply to @Johnny
Horton: so the elected can of I understand your beliefs ... create a
civil service of friends and family as long as the job gets done
reasonably well and there is no need to have any system to ensure the
best qualified people are hire. Thus creating a civil service loyal to
the party responsible for hiring them.
Marc Martin
Reply to @Johnny Horton: Not me.
David Amos
Reply to @Marc Martin: Who cares?
Johnny Horton
Glad to know in Canada in 2020 LinkedIn is the end and all snd br all of fact.
Samual Johnston
Reply to @Johnny Horton: yes he lied on his LinkedIn resume to be appear way under qualified.
Johnny
Horton
Reply to @Samual Johnston:
I know it is shocking in the days of social media, but there are still humble people in this world.
I know it is shocking in the days of social media, but there are still humble people in this world.
Samual Johnston
Reply to @Johnny
Horton: ok fun time over ...you are now arguing for the sake of arguing
.... yeah I’ll leave my Masters in library Science degree off my
resume...don’t want to appear over qualified...
Johnny
Horton
Reply to @Samual Johnston:
I didn’t say that. And you know it. My point was LinkedIn is full of lies, May embellishments and some underbelishments for whatever reason, it’s hsrdly a proper source to witch-hunt over,
I didn’t say that. And you know it. My point was LinkedIn is full of lies, May embellishments and some underbelishments for whatever reason, it’s hsrdly a proper source to witch-hunt over,
David Amos
Reply to @Samual Johnston: Methinks everybody is bored with both of you N'esy Pas?
David Amos
Reply to @Samual
Johnston: "I’ll leave my Masters in library Science degree off my
resume...don’t want to appear over qualified.."
Trust that I have no Masters degree but I can read. The simple truth is librarians and many others are justifiably upset with the in your face patronage and the BS about coming from a temporary cabinet minister. Methinks the awful truth is that this nonsense should insure that Holder never be elected again. However I have no doubt that he will because far too many people vote for the colour of the coat not the person. Hence we get the governments we deserve N'esy Pas?
Trust that I have no Masters degree but I can read. The simple truth is librarians and many others are justifiably upset with the in your face patronage and the BS about coming from a temporary cabinet minister. Methinks the awful truth is that this nonsense should insure that Holder never be elected again. However I have no doubt that he will because far too many people vote for the colour of the coat not the person. Hence we get the governments we deserve N'esy Pas?
george johnson
I find it interesting that the woman who appointed him has also been appointed elsewhere. Why did she appoint him, she must have been aware he had little for qualifications, I have 4 years university and never even got a call. His "vision" of kings landing turned out to be not so visionary, this is not fair for those who have put in the time to deserve such a job. Regardless of proof of patronage, still smells like it and leaves a nasty taste in mouth.
Johnny Horton
Reply to @george johnson:
Almost every hire in Canada in the last decade has in its tied by who you know. Both civil and private. We have not hired in this country in either field on wuslricisriond sline in decades. If ever.
Almost every hire in Canada in the last decade has in its tied by who you know. Both civil and private. We have not hired in this country in either field on wuslricisriond sline in decades. If ever.
Ben Haroldson
Reply to @Johnny Horton: You ain't gonna get canned with that word.
Ben Haroldson
Reply to @Johnny Horton: " wuslricisriond sline" , are you sure that's the term you would use in this instance?
Johnny Horton
Reply to @Ben Haroldson:
Qualifications.
You have no idea what torture is until you have satellite internet. I swear st times my 300 baud modem was better.
Qualifications.
You have no idea what torture is until you have satellite internet. I swear st times my 300 baud modem was better.
Ben
Haroldson
Reply to @Johnny Horton: Try explornet if you can, works very decent.
Helen Gorne
Reply to @Johnny Horton: "You shouldn't believe all you read on the internet", to quote Abraham Lincoln.
Johnny Horton
Reply to @Helen Gorne:
Well people certainly have on this topic - which I my complaint about this issue,
Well people certainly have on this topic - which I my complaint about this issue,
David Amos
Reply to @Ben
Haroldson: Xplornet is part of another evil empire in NB Trust that I
found a MUCH better way to surf the net wirelessly
Ben
Haroldson
Reply to @David Amos: Do tell...
David Amos
Reply to @David Amos: Only choice I have other than cell data, and I ain't got a grand a month to spend on that.
David Amos
Reply to @Ben Haroldson: I spend on average about $127.00 a month
David Amos
Reply to @Ben Haroldson: and more importantly i have no contract Hence if I find a better way I'm gone without a penalty
Johnny Horton
I don’t want s linesman running nb power.
I don’t want a teacher running education.
I don’t want a doctor running health.
The purpose of a CEO is to manage the overall resources and money of the thing they manage. They don’t do the actual job of the employees. They don’t even hire.
They manage a department made up of many parts, not just in this case librarians, but any workers in the branch.
Travis Stewart
Reply to @Johnny
Horton: Good, no one is asking for a linesman to run NB Power, or even a
librarian to run the Library. Someone who has a Masters in Library and
Information Science and multiple years managing libraries is not the
equivalent of a linesman running NB Power. You don't seem to know
anything about this topic or the position.
Travis Stewart
Reply to @Johnny
Horton: To use the example of NB Power, the CEO might not be a linesman,
but he is an Electrical Engineer. See how that works? You get people
who can be CEO and have knowledge of the subject matter.
Johnny
Horton
Reply to @Travis Stewart:
But they don’t need to. Thst is my point, a good manager can do the job better even without the specific knowledge"
But they don’t need to. Thst is my point, a good manager can do the job better even without the specific knowledge"
Johnny
Horton
Reply to @Travis Stewart:
Plus I still contend moving from a museum to a library is less of a leap than electrical engineer to ceo.
Plus I still contend moving from a museum to a library is less of a leap than electrical engineer to ceo.
Travis Stewart
Reply to @Johnny
Horton: The CEO of Horizon health isn't a doctor, but they have 35 years
in the health sector. She also has a master's degree in business
administration, a bachelor's degree in social work from Memorial
University, and a diploma in health services management.
The CEO of Vitalité Health Network is similar, with a Doctorate in Public Health, a Master of Business Administration and a Master of Social Work.
So not doctors, but they are people who are trained to manage people in their specific field.
The CEO of Vitalité Health Network is similar, with a Doctorate in Public Health, a Master of Business Administration and a Master of Social Work.
So not doctors, but they are people who are trained to manage people in their specific field.
Travis Stewart
Reply to @Johnny
Horton: Your contention is simply wrong. You keep making it clear you
don't know enough about this to have an opinion on this topic. Every
time you post something it is clear you haven't researched or thought
about it at all.
Samual Johnston
Reply to @Johnny
Horton: Johnny why can’t you see it is not about that it is simply
about this line: “The job posting listed "essential qualifications" as a
master's degree in library and/or information studies from an American
Library Association-accredited program...”. Regardless of your beliefs
this was what they determined they needed. Based on that agree
something is a little off about this selection.
David White
Reply to @Johnny
Horton: A 'good' manager (actually ANY manager) needs to understand what
they are managing. So yeah, they better have specific knowledge or you
end up with patronage boy here.
Buddy Best
Reply to @Travis Stewart: "You don't seem to know anything about this topic or the position."
Par for the course with old johnny., He is just here to cause aggravation. seldom does he add to the conversation in a meaningful way.
Par for the course with old johnny., He is just here to cause aggravation. seldom does he add to the conversation in a meaningful way.
Johnny
Horton
Reply to @Travis Stewart:
So because I have a doffering opinion, you should be allowed to publicly insult me?
You have no idea who I am or what my qualifications are.
I’m also certainly not going to publicly flog a civil servant for applying for and getting a job becsise some news reporter wrote a one sided story and I read over some LinkedIn profile.
I have never asked he should or should not have the job. I was not privy to the interviews. I will however continue to argue the concept thst one needs to do the job to be a ceo of it. I have known wn far too many successful managers and ceos who had no experience in the field. I also know many S fsile manager who were an expert in their field.
I wholeheartedly disagree that simply becssie an employee is a civil servant they deserve their life laid bare and people allowed to insult them without knowing all the facts and basing a witch-hunt on LinkedIn,
So because I have a doffering opinion, you should be allowed to publicly insult me?
You have no idea who I am or what my qualifications are.
I’m also certainly not going to publicly flog a civil servant for applying for and getting a job becsise some news reporter wrote a one sided story and I read over some LinkedIn profile.
I have never asked he should or should not have the job. I was not privy to the interviews. I will however continue to argue the concept thst one needs to do the job to be a ceo of it. I have known wn far too many successful managers and ceos who had no experience in the field. I also know many S fsile manager who were an expert in their field.
I wholeheartedly disagree that simply becssie an employee is a civil servant they deserve their life laid bare and people allowed to insult them without knowing all the facts and basing a witch-hunt on LinkedIn,
Ben Haroldson
Reply to @Johnny
Horton: You need to work at a company for 20 years or so, then let some
no-it all off the street, who has no idea what any of the jobs he is
bossing even are, come in and take over as boss
Johnny
Horton
Reply to @Ben Haroldson:
Not my business/problem. If I am working there I have my job and it’s duties to do. It’s the owners/bosses duty to do the hiring.
Been there done thst, didn’t bother me at all. Clearly in such cases I wasn’t the one wants by the boss for whatever reason and I certainly wouldn’t want to then get the job by force and complaining, it wouldn’t change the fact I wasn’t their choice,
Not my business/problem. If I am working there I have my job and it’s duties to do. It’s the owners/bosses duty to do the hiring.
Been there done thst, didn’t bother me at all. Clearly in such cases I wasn’t the one wants by the boss for whatever reason and I certainly wouldn’t want to then get the job by force and complaining, it wouldn’t change the fact I wasn’t their choice,
David Amos
Reply to @Johnny
Horton: Methinks any Maritimer with two clues between their ears would
NOT want a political hack in any public position excepting of course you
and Higgy and your Irving buddies N'esy Pas?
Kim McLaggan
So Trevor Holder is denying patronage even though a deputy minister who has cense moved on appointed an unqualified person over qualified candidate's ,this ladies and gentlemen is patronage and that former deputy minister who is an acting CEO should be fired as K Cormier and Premier Higgs needs to step in and and rescind the appointment of K Cormier , and congrats to the Liberals who will do this if elected to govern ,nice to hear from the Greens and Alliance on this seems they must approve of patronage appointments ,the librarian's and those working in the library services think its a farce so he may have his high paying patronage job for now but has lost his credibility,the reporter who is working on this needs an award good job keep digging
Johnny Horton
Reply to @Kim McLaggan:
I’m sure you never got a single job in life because you knew someone or someone got you an interview.
I’m sure you never got a single job in life because you knew someone or someone got you an interview.
René Ephestion
Reply to @Johnny Horton: me, never !
Johnny Horton
Reply to @René Ephestion:
Over 70% of getting an interview nowadays is because you knew someone.
Over 70% of getting an interview nowadays is because you knew someone.
David White
Reply to @Johnny Horton: In New Brunswick it seems... just look at KC here.
Johnny Horton
Reply to @David White:
It’s not just NB. It’s Canada wide. It’s slso one of the first things taught in any introductory business course.
It’s not just NB. It’s Canada wide. It’s slso one of the first things taught in any introductory business course.
Johnny Horton
Reply to @David
White: at least two degrees st UNB in the past decade had a requirement
to attend social events in order to pass the professional
development/management course in the degree.
Travis Stewart
Reply to @Johnny Horton: Johnny, stop pretending you know anything about universities.
Johnny Horton
Reply to @Travis Stewart:
Five years deans list and distinction. Thanks for playing,
Five years deans list and distinction. Thanks for playing,
David Amos
Content disabled
Reply to @Johnny Horton: BS
David Amos
Reply to @Johnny Horton: Too Too Funny and you are the King of Siam as well Correct?
Kyle Woodman
The qualified people in government spend all their time fixing the problems of the unqualified. It is a zero sum game. The province has been held back because of this nonsense. We would be a lot further ahead as a province if we didn't chase off all our educated professionals so politicians can give their buddies jobs. I know very smart and educated former New Brunswickers who lament the fact that they have to move to other provinces to work in the civil service getting results. NB needs to get its act together because the Kevin Cormier's of the world are dragging us down.
Lauchlin Murray
Reply to @Kyle Woodman: Excellent points.
Johnny Horton
Reply to @Kyle Woodman:
I for one don’t want a librarian responsible to manage a tens of millions budget and thousands of employees.
I for one don’t want a librarian responsible to manage a tens of millions budget and thousands of employees.
Samual Johnston
Reply to @Johnny
Horton: they are not asking for a librarian.... The job posting listed
"essential qualifications" as a master's degree in library and/or
information studies from an American Library Association-accredited
program
Travis Stewart
Reply to @Johnny
Horton: You clearly don't know what a Master's in Library and
Information Science is, or what the job position asked for. No one is
asking for a librarian to manage a budget of millions or thousands of
employees. The job ad, and people are asking for someone with a
background in managing libraries with large budgets and many employees
to get the job of managing libraries.
Learn something about a topic before you comment.
Learn something about a topic before you comment.
David White
Reply to @Samual Johnston: Johnny doesn't get it.
Johnny Horton
Reply to @Travis Stewart:
I’m well aware what S am ozs degree is. I also know it doesn’t do what you say, rash you to manage millions and thousands of people.
I’m well aware what S am ozs degree is. I also know it doesn’t do what you say, rash you to manage millions and thousands of people.
Johnny Horton
Reply to @Samual Johnston:
The job qualifications also stated the STANDARD of in lieu, work or life experience.
The job qualifications also stated the STANDARD of in lieu, work or life experience.
Johnny Horton
Reply to @David White:
I get it. The librarians are p... they didn’t get the job. Thst someone else did instead.
It’s never been about what is best, it’s about turf.
I get it. The librarians are p... they didn’t get the job. Thst someone else did instead.
It’s never been about what is best, it’s about turf.
Samual Johnston
Reply to @Johnny
Horton: ok now I see what happened... u misread the qualifications. It
did not say experience in lieu of education it says in addition to.....
so there cleared up. Now you can agree he did not have the
qualifications to get hired.
Johnny Horton
Reply to @Samual Johnston:
Who cares. Are we thst rigid in life we must line check everything’s. Really?
Ever consider the possibility the posted wuslificstoons were done in error?
Yes sam, I know it must be hard to believe. But I believe in free action and free thought over some check boxes.
Who cares. Are we thst rigid in life we must line check everything’s. Really?
Ever consider the possibility the posted wuslificstoons were done in error?
Yes sam, I know it must be hard to believe. But I believe in free action and free thought over some check boxes.
David Amos
Reply to @Samual Johnston: Methinks you dudes do go on and on and on N'esy Pas?
Jason Inness
I wish the voters in Saint John Portland would vote this guy out. He is a career politician that has no idea of how to actually manage a department.
Johnny Horton
Reply to @Jason Inness:
Seems to me he’s done a fine job of maintaining privacy, laws.
Seems to me he’s done a fine job of maintaining privacy, laws.
David Amos
Reply to @Johnny Horton: Yea Right
C Jones
There is nearly zero transparency in the civil service when it comes to managerial jobs...but you know what?..there needs to be! Why? because many times you'll get a parachute candidate in there with no better qualifications than anyone else, and sometimes even less qualifications....simply because of friends and favours. This NEEDS to STOP. The morale of the workforce is vital, and needs to be such that employees should trust their Employer fully, and believe that they can advance based on hard work and merit, and not on who they know. This goes on everywhere that I've heard of, except NBCC, where I've been told they are 1-100% completely transparent in their hiring, and they advertise and interview for every single position no matter the rank.
Johnny Horton
Reply to @C Jones:
List the specific daily duties of the ceo of public library job and point out specifically which ones require specific library training,
List the specific daily duties of the ceo of public library job and point out specifically which ones require specific library training,
sandymctavish726 mctavish
Reply to @C Jones:
there is zero transparency in the federal civil service also. managerial
jobs can only be fulfilled by francophones...no english speaking person
wanting a federal public service managerial job cannot even apply
(because of trudeau draconian rules )
Samual Johnston
Reply to @Johnny
Horton: The job posting listed "essential qualifications" as a master's
degree in library and/or information studies from an American Library
Association-accredited program
David Amos
Reply to @Johnny Horton: Why can't you?
Johnny Horton
“"I have never publicly talked about any civil servant's qualifications and I'm not about to start now," Holder told reporters during a conference call on Wednesday morning.”
Minister Holder is absolutely correct. Any politician or government or official that discusses such in public violating privacy law#, should He punished under the privacy laws.
Samual Johnston
Reply to @Johnny Horton: he could say he will do an internal review
David Amos
Reply to @Johnny Horton: Nay not so
Helen Gorne
One has to love the naivety of New Brunswick. What if Mr Holder were to board an aircraft and hear " our pilot has never flown before, but lets give him a chance" would he stay or leave ?
Johnny Horton
Reply to @Helen Gorne:
The head of public libraries does not sign in and out books. He does not order books. He does not poin patrons to resources.
In fact there is zero in his job duties as CEO thst is remotely connected with the specific duties of a librarian.
The head of public libraries does not sign in and out books. He does not order books. He does not poin patrons to resources.
In fact there is zero in his job duties as CEO thst is remotely connected with the specific duties of a librarian.
Johnny Horton
Reply to @Helen Gorne:
Air traffic controllers responsible for getting planes up and down are not pilotxl the head of the airport is not A pilot.
Air traffic controllers responsible for getting planes up and down are not pilotxl the head of the airport is not A pilot.
Helen Gorne
Reply to @Johnny Horton: It must be nice to live with Peter Rabbit and the Tooth Fairy
Darrell Christie
Reply to @Helen Gorne: I'm wondering what civil service job Johnny is after?
Helen Gorne
Reply to @Darrell Christie: It could be anything, just give him a chance :-)
Johnny Horton
Reply to @Darrell Christie:
I’m retired, saved my own money don’t need no stinking taxpayer welfare to live off of.
I’m retired, saved my own money don’t need no stinking taxpayer welfare to live off of.
David Amos
Reply to @Johnny Horton: Brag much?
Johnny Horton
Gee I didn’t read the outrage in the CBC story yesterday on the old Hampton home,where they interviewed an stchitect who is the CURATOR for an art gallery. Talk about not wuslificied and all...
Travis Stewart
Reply to @Johnny
Horton: That is John Leroux, and while they have worked as an architect,
they also have a Masters of Arts in Art History, and they are the
author of multiple books on architecture and art history.
No one is outraged because they are qualified for the position, the situation is completely different in this case.
No one is outraged because they are qualified for the position, the situation is completely different in this case.
Travis Stewart
Reply to @Johnny
Horton: They've also been involved in multiple art history and
curatorial projects, to quote his publisher's website: "his
documentation and interpretation of Fredericton's Centennial Building
murals, the stained glass of Fredericton, the architectural landmarks of
New Brunswick, and the recreation of Fred Ross's monumental war
memorial mural at the University of New Brunswick."
Are you really going to try to pretend this is the same as hiring a guy with one year of business school and two years at flight school for a position that included a "master's degree in library and/or information studies from an American Library Association-accredited program" as an essential qualification? Leroux has the educational background, existing curatorial work history, and a long history of authorship on topics related to his position. Cormier has none of this.
Are you really going to try to pretend this is the same as hiring a guy with one year of business school and two years at flight school for a position that included a "master's degree in library and/or information studies from an American Library Association-accredited program" as an essential qualification? Leroux has the educational background, existing curatorial work history, and a long history of authorship on topics related to his position. Cormier has none of this.
Johnny Horton
Reply to @Travis Stewart:
And Cormier has managed a large active museum. Museums are t that far from libraries, he’s not going to sign out books, catalog them or even decide which to buy. He’s going to manage S large budget and a large workforce that contains more than librarians,
And Cormier has managed a large active museum. Museums are t that far from libraries, he’s not going to sign out books, catalog them or even decide which to buy. He’s going to manage S large budget and a large workforce that contains more than librarians,
Travis Stewart
Reply to @Johnny
Horton: That is really, really thin gruel. Just look at the example you
tried to use compared to Cormier. The difference between the two is
stark and clear. One is highly qualified, the best you were able to say
about the other one is "Museums are t that far from libraries" so maybe
he will be okay at the job. Do you really not see how weak that is,
especially when compared to competent candidates like Leroux?
"he’s not going to sign out books, catalog them or even decide which to buy"
No one thinks he is going to do that. Is that what you think a Masters in Library or Information Science is all about? There is more to libraries than checking out books.
Given your inability to evaluate Leroux's suitability , and that you don't seem to know anything about Library and Information Science, perhaps you should reconsider whether you are even capable of evaluating their suitability for positions. The ad for the position makes it clear the person who gets it will need to have an in-depth knowledge of libraries to do it correctly, you need to know about the topic to oversee the development of library services. The job isn't just someone sitting at a desk handling the finances.
"he’s not going to sign out books, catalog them or even decide which to buy"
No one thinks he is going to do that. Is that what you think a Masters in Library or Information Science is all about? There is more to libraries than checking out books.
Given your inability to evaluate Leroux's suitability , and that you don't seem to know anything about Library and Information Science, perhaps you should reconsider whether you are even capable of evaluating their suitability for positions. The ad for the position makes it clear the person who gets it will need to have an in-depth knowledge of libraries to do it correctly, you need to know about the topic to oversee the development of library services. The job isn't just someone sitting at a desk handling the finances.
Samual Johnston
Reply to @Johnny
Horton: John...come to the light focus on the facts at hand not your
personal beliefs.... The job posting listed "essential qualifications"
as a master's degree in library and/or information studies from an
American Library Association-accredited program
David Amos
Reply to @Johnny
Horton: Methinks Billy Boy Oliver and everybody else knows that you are
way behind the eight ball when it comes to old homes and potholes in
Hampton. Seems that you don't know as much about the wicked political
games in Fundy Royal that you claim you do N'esy Pas?
Kyle Woodman
Johnny Horton
Reply to @Kyle Woodman:
Please list the specific duties of the ceo position of public libraries.
Please list the specific duties of the ceo position of public libraries.
Kyle Woodman
Reply to @Johnny Horton: Not being a political hack with no education would be a good start.
Johnny Horton
Reply to @Kyle Woodman:
So in other words you don’t know, but feel to drag a man through the mud,
So in other words you don’t know, but feel to drag a man through the mud,
David Amos
Reply to @Johnny Horton: Methinks that is your forte N'esy Pas?
michael
levesque
wow and we thought the Liberals were bad for stupidity. Holder should resign Immediately
David Amos
Reply to @michael
levesque: Methinks Holder should agree that you were not wise to tease
me about my false imprisonment in the USA after Brad Green and the
Governor General acknowledged my sincerity More importantly Holder
assistant had followed me around in June of 2004 and witnessed what
really went on. Gerry Lowe and everybody else knows thats why I ran
against that dude in Saint John Harbour in 2006 N'esy Pas?
Joseph Vachier
as long as he is billingual
Marc Martin
Reply to @Joseph Vachier: Yawnnnn...
David Amos
Reply to @Joseph Vacher: YUP
Michel Boutet
Oh
no, no patronage was involved at all, just incompetence? The
appointment of this man as executive director of the N.B. library
service is at the very least a slap in the face to each and every
qualified candidate who applied for the position and lost to a totally
unqualified person.The message this government is sending is that they
don't really care who is in charge of the library service. Otherwise, why give it to someone who, judging from his educational record, wouldn't know his way around a library.
David Amos
Reply to @Michel Boutet: Surprise Surprise Surprise
June Arnott
the guy does not have the requested qualifications. 'nuff said
David Amos
Reply to @June Arnott: Methinks there will be more to follow N'esy Pas?
Marc LeBlanc
When you're (we're) paying someone that much they shouldn't need to "prove"themselves
Diane Bellefleur
Reply to @Marc LeBlanc: or at least have the required qualifications and education.
David Amos
Reply to @Marc LeBlanc: Methinks you know the answer as well as I N'esy Pas?
Justin
Time
"no political
patronage involved "whatsoever."" Give us a break. Lots of qualified
people would have liked the chance to "prove" themselves. No change in
this government, NEXT.
Diane Bellefleur
Reply to @Justin
Time: No political patronage whatsoever" is the same as the Minister of
Health saying "This is the truth" in reference to Gauvin. This
province is being run by Donald Trump.... Every word they say is a big
fat lie.
Terry Tibbs
Reply to @Diane Bellefleur:
I'm going to tell you a little secret. As much as we all have about the same opinion of Mr Trump, he is working for Amerika, quite unlike the folks we seem able to elect. I no longer trust a lot of things about Canada and have slowly, over the past 5 years been liquidating my assets into portable wealth. Since November of last year my portable wealth increased 15%, that's 15% in 4 months, due to several factors.
A more apt comparison might be Donald Duck?
I'm going to tell you a little secret. As much as we all have about the same opinion of Mr Trump, he is working for Amerika, quite unlike the folks we seem able to elect. I no longer trust a lot of things about Canada and have slowly, over the past 5 years been liquidating my assets into portable wealth. Since November of last year my portable wealth increased 15%, that's 15% in 4 months, due to several factors.
A more apt comparison might be Donald Duck?
David Amos
Reply to @Terry Tibbs: Methinks your portable wealth took a bit of dip last week N'esy Pas?
Terry Tibbs
Reply to @David Amos:
A small one, but not unusual.......... I have several bets going at once, portable wealth and $US, neither disappoints and are better investments than investing in Canada.
A small one, but not unusual.......... I have several bets going at once, portable wealth and $US, neither disappoints and are better investments than investing in Canada.
David Amos
Reply to @Terry
Tibbs: Methinks if I had "Portable Weath" I would follow the Banksters,
the Russian and Chinese lead and scoop lots of gold and particularly
silver while those elements are cheap then turn it into cash later in
order to buy bargain real estate in the near future However the wiseguy
Higgy claims I am crazy N'esy Pas?
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