David Raymond Amos @DavidRayAmos
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Methinks desperate spin doctors say desperate things but many folks other than insider LIEbranos know Lou Bell's nonsense will not cover up the PC Party's butter tart faux pas N'esy Pas?
https://davidraymondamos3.blogspot.com/2020/06/nb-power-pulls-out-of-maritime-iron.html
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/maritime-iron-plant-belledune-on-hold-1.5619536
Proposed Maritime Iron plant on hold, company says
Provincial review says proposal included false assumptions, incomplete information
· CBC News · Posted: Jun 19, 2020 3:25 PM AT |
The Belledune iron processing facility, highlighted in yellow, would have been located next to the NB Power Belledune generating station. The project has been put on hold, the company say.
The company that was hoping to build a $1.5 billion iron processing plant in northern New Brunswick says it has officially put the project on hold.
Maritime Iron said in a statement to CBC News on Friday afternoon that Premier Blaine Higgs has not responded to the company's request for a meeting to try to salvage the project.
"As such we have made the decision to put the New Brunswick project on hold," wrote company vice-president Elena Mantagaris.
A spokesperson for the provincial Environment Department confirmed that on Monday the company asked that the project's environmental impact assessment be put on hold.
"Therefore, no further work will be done on the EIA review at this time," Jean Bertin said in an email.
Premier Blaine Higgs dismissed the idea of the company purchasing the NB Power generating station in Belledune. (Government of New Brunswick/Submitted)
The June 15 hold request came less than a week after Higgs said it would be "a moot point" to discuss Maritime Iron's 11th-hour proposal to buy NB Power's coal-fired Belledune generating station to keep the proposal alive.
Given federal coal regulations, "I don't see the economic viability, but I certainly don't see the environmental potential" to keep Belledune running for Maritime Iron.
'Exploring other locations'
Mantagaris said the company still hopes to meet Higgs soon."While New Brunswick remains our first choice for this project, we are exploring other locations," she said.
She also said the company has "proven the economic viability of this project," which the company said would employ 1,300 people during construction and 200 during operations.
But a May 12 report by the provincial government's technical review committee, obtained by CBC News, shows that officials presented the company with a list of 160 concerns, caveats and cautions last month.
The iron-ore processing plant in Belledune had planned to use the existing NB Power conveyor system to move materials from port to the facility. (Elena Mantagaris/Maritime Iron)
That includes an assertion that Maritime Iron submitted "incomplete" information about where it would get the $16.8 billion in funding over 30 years to run the plant.
The document says Maritime Iron's submission in January to the EIA process contained false assumptions, made mathematical errors in some emissions calculations and didn't provide evidence to back up several key claims.
It also calls into question a core part of the plant's business case: that NB Power's coal-fired Belledune generation station can continue operating past 2030.
And it challenges Maritime Iron's claim that there would not be "substantial adverse interaction between the Project and GHG emissions" in New Brunswick.
The document points out the plant would be the largest greenhouse gas emitter in the province and would also prolong Belledune's emissions past a federally required coal phaseout in 2030.
"In light of this information, can the above statement be justified?" it asks.
Emissions spike
Maritime Iron was proposing that gas by-product from its iron processing plant would be fed to NB Power's Belledune generating station to replace some of the coal now burned there.The electricity generated from the gas by-product would power the iron plant.
The technical review document says the increase in the overall burning of coal at the two facilities would be "contrary to agreements to phase out coal" and would increase New Brunswick's greenhouse gas emissions to 17 million tonnes, above the provincial target.
"This is not in line with an overall carbon reducting strategy," it says.
The technical review committee included representatives from several federal and provincial government departments, the Energy and Utilities Board, the Village of Belledune and the regional service commission in the area.
The proposal suffered a blow earlier this month when NB Power announced it would not remain part of the proposal because of additional costs in the hundreds of millions of dollars.
Those costs would stem from the coal-generated gas by-product. Maritime Iron responded by proposing to buy the power plant, an idea Higgs immediately dismissed.
Evidence lacking, committee says
Maritime Iron submitted its 490-page environment impact assessment application in January.The company argued that while greenhouse gas emissions overall would increase as a result of the project, the reduction in coal use at the NB Power plant would let it continue to operate past a 2030 federal coal phaseout.
But Environment Canada officials on the technical review committee say in the document that Maritime Iron's submission "does not provide evidence" to back up its claim that the NB Power plant would be able to comply with the federal coal rules.
Purchasing the Belledune generating station was one of multiple options Maritime Iron considered in hopes of reviving the project. Premier Blaine Higgs resisted the idea. (CBC)
It notes that the iron plant itself will need to burn coal and so the gas by-product itself will have to be counted as a coal product.
Federal regulations "do not provide for any exclusion of emissions from by-product gas from another industrial facility, whether integrated or not with the power plant, that is used as a fuel input for the power plant.
"Accordingly, the Belledune facility would not be able to operate beyond 2029, as the proponent asserts," it says.
Another major argument Maritime Iron has made is that the operation of the plant would allow for greenhouse gas reductions elsewhere in the world, because it would displace iron from higher-emitting plants overseas.
But the committee report says that notion is "not within the GHG scope" of the province's environment assessment.
"Such environmental benefits occur outside New Brunswick and are not under the control of the proponent and therefore not incorporated into the GHG assessment of the project."
List of issues
The document also says Maritime Iron listed 39 separate emissions from the plant but does not list them as waste and does not say clearly if its emissions controls would apply to them.The technical committee also says:
- The submission lacks information on how the gas by-product would affect the Belledune power plant's compliance with a national standard for mercury emissions.
- It has "no discussion" about how effluent from the iron plant would affect the nearby Bay of Chaleur and "very little information" on how wastewater would be treated.
- It makes a "false assumption" that the gas by-product could be emitted into the atmosphere if it's not burned at the NB Power plant.
- It fails to note more than 100 daily truck trips to and from the site will "likely result" in air quality problems beyond Canadian Ambient Air Quality Standards.
- Figures for those standards are "incorrect or are not converted into the correct units" in two tables, and says corrected figures show they "will be exceeded."
- The company's calculation of how much freshwater would be required at the plant is not correct.
The proposal would see the plant stop full-time operations so that the same amount of emissions projected between now and 2030 would be spread out until the end of the plant's design life in 2040.
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David Amos
Surprise Surprise Surprise
Terry Tibbs
Reply to @David Amos:
No surprise David, well, I guess the surprise is that our elected brain trust actually hired someone to figure out what common sense would tell them if they had any.
Wonder what that cost?
No surprise David, well, I guess the surprise is that our elected brain trust actually hired someone to figure out what common sense would tell them if they had any.
Wonder what that cost?
David Amos
Reply to @Terry
Tibbs: Methinks whatever it was the total cost to the taxpayer will
never be revealed. However I trust that NB Power will have file within
their yearly report the tally of what they spent on this nonsense.As
usual I won't believe it because KPMG checks their work without auditing
anything which is one my big beefs within the EUB N'esy Pas?
Lou Bell
Reply to @David Amos: You two can discuss this at your Leadership Convention this weekend , with your , Ahem , members !!! All 5 of you !
David Amos
"The technical review committee included representatives from several federal and provincial government departments, the Energy and Utilities Board, the Village of Belledune and the regional service commission in the area.
The proposal suffered a blow earlier this month when NB Power announced it would not remain part of the proposal because of additional costs in the hundreds of millions of dollars.
Those costs would stem from the coal-generated gas by-product. Maritime Iron responded by proposing to buy the power plant, an idea Higgs immediately dismissed."
I repeat Methinks most folks are not aware that the former boss of NB Power asked the EUB months ago to delay its decision on its second stab at getting an OK to buy "Not So Smart" Meters N'esy Pas?"
Lou Bell
Must have an UNDISCLOSED deal with Dom. , Melanson ,and the insider Libs ! Gonna have to hold that idea for a lot of years !!
David Amos
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Reply to @Lou Bell:
Methinks desperate spin doctors say desperate things Trust that many
folks other than the insider Libs know that your "Me Party" nonsense
will not cover up the PC Party's butter tart faux pas N'esy Pas? David Amos
Reply to @David Amos: BINGO
Ralph Eddy
We are dying up here in North New Brunswick we desperately need this plant and the economic benefit that will come with it.
Terry
Tibbs
Reply to @Ralph Eddy:
Your economy might very well be dying up there, but this endless money pit black hole is not your answer. It simply can't make ANY money, the only way the economics of it are sound is an endless stream of government money to build it, and keep it afloat. Your search for an economic solution would be better served by a lottery, where the government writes 200, $250,000 one time cheques to the winners (like that is going to happen) but seriously, it would be better, and cheaper, than our government getting mired in this swamp.
Your economy might very well be dying up there, but this endless money pit black hole is not your answer. It simply can't make ANY money, the only way the economics of it are sound is an endless stream of government money to build it, and keep it afloat. Your search for an economic solution would be better served by a lottery, where the government writes 200, $250,000 one time cheques to the winners (like that is going to happen) but seriously, it would be better, and cheaper, than our government getting mired in this swamp.
Michel Pelletier
Reply to @Terry
Tibbs: the government already infuses lots of taxe payers money
down south for why not in the north.
Terry
Tibbs
Reply to @Michel Pelletier:
Numbers. The numbers make tax spending in the south work, and the numbers make tax spending in the north difficult. The government collects less tax money from a smaller population in the north than in the south.
Numbers. The numbers make tax spending in the south work, and the numbers make tax spending in the north difficult. The government collects less tax money from a smaller population in the north than in the south.
Lou Bell
Reply to @Michel
Pelletier: Shippigan Credit Union , the Free barge they just gave away
to the Quebec Company , there has been an unending amount of money sunk
intot he North with no returns , just debt ! Last thing we need is
another failing company !!!!!!!
David Amos
Reply to @Lou Bell: or another Conservative spin doctor
Claude DeRoche
Bottom line grants are limited to Bermudian companies,
ask the Irving Boy!
Terry Tibbs
Reply to @Claude DeRoche:
Bottom line: throwing money into an endless black hole is dumb.
(if this thing had ANY economic merit one of those companies, based in Bermuda, would already be doing it with our tax money)
Bottom line: throwing money into an endless black hole is dumb.
(if this thing had ANY economic merit one of those companies, based in Bermuda, would already be doing it with our tax money)
Lou Bell
Reply to @Claude
DeRoche: Liberals are the N.B. GIVEAWAY kings , hands down ! I'm sure
Dom. , Melanson , and their cronies would try to come up with an
undisclosed Billion if they could !!!
David Amos
Reply to @Claude
DeRoche: Methinks folks should check out NB Power's Large Industrial
Renewable Energy Purchase Program sometime N'esy Pas?
Let our politician decide, that that plant should go to china. China doesn't control it's emissions. As for NBPower, they should go ahead and sell Belledune power plant to Maritime iron, this slae should pay for part of NBpower"s detp and also pay for the meters that they want us to pay for.
Terry Tibbs
Reply to @Michel Pelletier:
The Chinese already own the entire Canada Iron Ore operation in Labrador. The mines, the smelters, and the transportation, they have little need to ship raw ore to China.
The Chinese already own the entire Canada Iron Ore operation in Labrador. The mines, the smelters, and the transportation, they have little need to ship raw ore to China.
Terry Tibbs
Reply to @Terry Tibbs:
Or NB.
Or NB.
Lou Bell
Reply to @Michel Pelletier: P.T. and his cronies won't allow it ! Unless wanna pay for their excess polluting !!!
David Amos
Reply to @Terry
Tibbs: Methinks the secret issue is the use of coal and it cost us a lot
for NB Power to shut down their doings in Minto N'esy Pas?
Dan Armitage
Maritime Iron said in a statement to CBC News on Friday afternoon that Premier Blaine Higgs has not responded to the company's request for a meeting to try to salvage the project.
Yep theres an easy out it's Blaines fault
David Amos
Reply to @Dan
Armitage: Methinks nobody cares about this issue except the consultants
who made out like the bandits they are N'esy pas?
Terry Tibbs
How about we try this on for size:
I am not a geologist, but when I drive from the north of NB, along the Trans-Canada highway, to Fat Fred City I see rocks rusting. We have our own iron ore, has no one investigated, and determined, if an iron operation is workable?
David Amos
Reply to @Terry
Tibbs: What about the proposed Sisson mine up your way or all the gold
down my way around Sussex that Northrup does not talk about ???
Methinks New Brunswick is rich in many minerals etc for mining companies to exploit but in my humble opinion they can all stay away unless we get our fair share of the royalties and the environment is truly protected N'esy Pas?
Methinks New Brunswick is rich in many minerals etc for mining companies to exploit but in my humble opinion they can all stay away unless we get our fair share of the royalties and the environment is truly protected N'esy Pas?
Terry Tibbs
Reply to @David Amos:
But that's not the case.
Like the big tree giveaway, or the fracking situation, promise a few jobs and the province is wide open............
If we must have an iron smelter in NB, shouldn't we get the full benefit, rather than someone else's table scraps?
David Amos
Reply to @Terry Tibbs: An iron smelter in NB is history but the rampant public corruption continues
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I repeat Methinks most folks are not aware that the former boss of NB Power asked the EUB months ago to delay its decision on its second stab at getting an OK to buy "Not So Smart" Meters N'esy Pas?
https://davidraymondamos3.blogspot.com/2020/06/nb-power-pulls-out-of-maritime-iron.html
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/nb-power-maritime-iron-plant-belledune-1.5603559
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/maritime-iron-belledune-nb-power-higgs-1.5605480
Higgs resists idea of Maritime Iron purchasing Belledune generating station
NB Power announced it was pulling out of the $1.5B project to build iron processing plant
· CBC News · Posted: Jun 09, 2020 8:33 PM AT
New Brunswick Premier Blaine Higgs says he's taking his cues from NB Power when it comes to the now-abandoned Maritime Iron plant project. (Sean Kilpatrick/Canadian Press)
Premier Blaine Higgs says he doesn't see much point to discussing a seemingly last-ditch offer from Maritime Iron to buy NB Power's Belledune generating station as a way of salvaging a proposed iron processing plant.
The company released a letter to Higgs on Tuesday saying it would consider buying the power plant, which under its original proposal would have been a vital partner in the operation.
NB Power pulled out of the proposal last week, saying it would cost the utility hundreds of millions of dollars in additional operating expenses that would have to be passed on to ratepayers.
Higgs said he will take his cues from the utility.
"NB Power has done a very thorough analysis and came up with their decision," he said, adding he would resist the idea of politically interfering with the utility's assessment.
"As much as I would love to see a project of that magnitude, especially in the Belledune region … it has to be something that the taxpayers can look at and say, 'This makes good sense.'"
The proposal involves installing turbines at the Belledune power plant to burn a gas by-product from the iron processing to generate electricity. Two-thirds of the electricity would have powered the iron plant.
The gas by-product would have allowed Belledune to reduce its consumption of coal by 50 per cent, the company claimed.
But Maritime Iron would use coal for its iron processing as well, and NB Power said this week there was a possibility the federal government would therefore apply coal regulations to the gas by-product, subjecting it to carbon taxes and federal restrictions.
NB Power said if it were deemed responsible for that, the cost would be too high to bear.
'A moot point'
Higgs said further discussions were "a moot point" because the combined greenhouse gas emissions from the iron plant and the Belledune station would run afoul of the 2030 federal coal phaseout."It's designated to cease operations in 2030 by the federal environmental standards, and to meet our environmental standards put forward by the province," he said.
Maritime Iron had argued that while the operation would increase emissions in the province, it would reduce them globally by displacing higher-emitting iron plants elsewhere and by shortening shipping distances for iron ore and processed iron.
The Belledune Iron Processing Facility, highlighted in yellow, would have been located next to the NB Power Belledune Generating Facility.
But letting the project proceed based on that logic would require an international agreement on how to measure and credit emissions reductions elsewhere, as well as a federal exemption for Belledune from the 2030 phaseout.
"Unless that happens, I don't see the economic viability, but I certainly don't see the environmental potential to continue operations" at Belledune, Higgs said.
The province has been working on getting an exemption from the phaseout that would let NB Power reduce operations at Belledune and spread out the same amount of emissions over a longer period of time, past the deadline a decade from now.
In regulatory filings earlier this year, Maritime Iron said Belledune's link to its project would reduce both the cost and the greenhouse gas emissions from the iron plant.
Acquiring the Belledune station
In his letter to Higgs, Maritime Iron CEO Greg McKenzie asked to meet with the premier to discuss "multiple options" for keeping the proposal alive, "up to and including possible scenarios around the purchase of the Belledune Generating Station."He wrote that the sale of Belledune would give NB Power money to invest in other forms of electricity generation or to buy power from other sources.
Purchasing the Belledune generating station is one of multiple options Maritime Iron is considering in hopes of reviving the project. (CBC)
Company vice-president Elena Mantagaris told CBC News on Tuesday she questioned NB Power's conclusion that it would be too costly for Belledune to burn the iron plant's gas by-product.
"It's not clear to me how they've arrived at those numbers," he said. "What I can say we know what we would need to operate our facility and we're prepared to look at a variety of options in order to make this project successful, including the acquisition of that facility."
Mantgaris would not say what Maritime Iron would be willing to pay to buy Belledune. She said the company's ability to find new investment to make the purchase was "not a concern."
She would not say what other options the company has if it can't buy the power plant from NB Power. "I don't have one to articulate for you in this moment, but there's certainly a number of different options or scenarios."
She also wouldn't say whether Maritime Iron's purchase option would include continuing to generate electricity from coal at Belledune on top of what it produced with the gas turbines.
"It's too early for me to speculate on whether that would be a possibility or not," she said.
EIA underway
Maritime Iron's original proposal is now being evaluated by the province through an environmental impact assessment.Mantagaris said the proposed purchase of Belledune doesn't require a whole new submission because a change of ownership doesn't affect the emissions numbers or how the two facilities would function.
"The technical merits of the project remain the same," she said, suggesting Maritime Iron could file an amendment to its 490-page submission. "Nothing about the technology is changing."
That submission says the combined Maritime Iron-Belledune facility would emit 4.9 million tons of greenhouse gases a year, a major increase from the existing 2.6 million tons of annual emissions from Belledune alone
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David Amos
"NB Power has done a very thorough analysis and came up with their decision," he said, adding he would resist the idea of politically interfering with the utility's assessment."
Too Too Funny
David Amos
At the risk of being redundant I must repeat that methinks most folks are not aware that the former boss of NB Power asked the EUB months ago to delay its decision on its second stab at getting an OK to buy "Not So Smart" Meters N'esy Pas?
Joe
Rootliek
Reply to @David Amos: The Smart Meters are very smart.
They can make you do your laundry at a cheaper time, to save on peak times, David, and lower your power bill...
They can make you do your laundry at a cheaper time, to save on peak times, David, and lower your power bill...
Joe
Rootliek
Reply to @Joe Rootliek: But, do your washing and drying at a peak time, well, your bill may go up...
David Amos
Reply to @Joe
Rootliek: Methinks you likely vote Green or Conservative because they
support "Not So Smart" Meters which is your right to do. However only
one of the Green Meanies dared to argue Roger Richard and I during any
EUB hearings thus far and he hasn't said much to me since watching me in
action in one secret backroom meeting in June of 2017 about the 357
Matter N'esy Pas?
Reply to @Joe Rootliek:”lower your power bill....” Compare to what? Right now we have a base rate only. With smart meters, we will have a base rate plus the peak rates. Please note that they will not lower the base rate. So some time during the day, electricity will be more costly than the base rate. It means that our electric bill will be higher.
David Amos
Reply to @Roger Richard: Mon Ami Methinks that should give the Green Meanies a little food for thought N'esy Pas?
Joe Rootliek
Maritime Iron needs to take the proposal to the United States Government, to determine if Pig Iron is needed in North America for War time, or for emergency situations on Trade.
Donald Trump will get it built, if it benefits Canadian and USA steel mills... That is for Certain.
Lou Bell
Reply to @Joe
Rootliek: Trump doesn't give a d*** about Canada or any of our steel
mills ! Where've you been ?? He put tariffs on them !!! Surely you
must have known that ??? I think not !
Joe
Rootliek
Reply to @Lou Bell:
National Security, everyone carers about it, and if an American Steel
mill can get Pig Iron faster and easier, for sure the Illuminate wants
the plant to be built in Belledune.
I think the Illuminate wants it to be built, if so, it will be built.
I think the Illuminate wants it to be built, if so, it will be built.
Terry
Tibbs
Reply to @Joe Rootliek:
What steel mills?
What steel mills?
Joe Rootliek
Reply to @Terry Tibbs: The Gary Works, Steel Mill in Michigan, Detroit. Rio Tinto has a big steel plant in Canada.
There are probably 21 steel plants in North America.
There are probably 21 steel plants in North America.
Terry
Tibbs
Reply to @Joe Rootliek:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_and_steel_industry_in_the_United_States
For a total of 9 in the US owned by 3 companies.
https://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.ca/en/article/iron-and-steel-industry#:~:text=Producers%20include%20such%20companies%20as,(formerly%20Sidbec%2DDosco).
All that is left in Canada is: Essar Steel Algoma (formerly Algoma Steel) of Sault Ste. Marie, Ontario, Dofasco of Hamilton, Ontario, and ArcelorMittal Montréal (formerly Sidbec-Dosco).
Steel is not a growth industry
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_and_steel_industry_in_the_United_States
For a total of 9 in the US owned by 3 companies.
https://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.ca/en/article/iron-and-steel-industry#:~:text=Producers%20include%20such%20companies%20as,(formerly%20Sidbec%2DDosco).
All that is left in Canada is: Essar Steel Algoma (formerly Algoma Steel) of Sault Ste. Marie, Ontario, Dofasco of Hamilton, Ontario, and ArcelorMittal Montréal (formerly Sidbec-Dosco).
Steel is not a growth industry
David Amos
Reply to @Terry
Tibbs: Oh So True but it is big business for the Chinese and I have no
doubt that they are the backroom players in this wicked little game with
NB Power
David Amos
Hmmmm
"Maritime Iron's original proposal is now being evaluated by the province through an environmental impact assessment."
Methinks this could be the reason Tom MacFarlane, deputy minister at the Department of Natural Resources and Energy Development, was recently named to the same top job at the Department of Environment N'esy Pas?
"Maritime Iron's original proposal is now being evaluated by the province through an environmental impact assessment."
Methinks this could be the reason Tom MacFarlane, deputy minister at the Department of Natural Resources and Energy Development, was recently named to the same top job at the Department of Environment N'esy Pas?
Terry Tibbs
Reply to @David Amos:
We don't need an environmental impact assessment.
Unless this project is papered with our tax money the business model doesn't work.
We don't need an environmental impact assessment.
Unless this project is papered with our tax money the business model doesn't work.
David Amos
Reply to @Terry Tibbs: Methinks they need an excuse to write some cheques to a few of their 'consultant' buddies N'esy Pas?
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/nb-power-maritime-iron-plant-belledune-1.5603559
Rates would have soared if NB Power hadn't abandoned iron plant project, utility says
Maritime Iron says it's considering other avenues to go ahead with project
· CBC News · Posted: Jun 08, 2020 5:44 PM AT
NB Power CEO Keith Cronkhite said high operational costs, which would have been transferred to ratepayers, was a key reason why the utility decided to pull out of the Maritime Iron project in Belledune. (Robert Jones/CBC)
NB Power says it pulled out of a proposal for an iron processing plant in northern New Brunswick because it would have been forced to pass on costs to ratepayers in the hundreds of millions of dollars.
The potentially higher operating costs for the utility's Belledune generating station, which would have burned gas byproduct from the Maritime Iron plant, were unacceptable, NB Power CEO Keith Cronkhite said in an interview.
"The gap in the cost structure that was needed to be placed on the power plant and through to our customers was too significant," he said.
"A lot of effort was put into it, but the cost structure was just not there. We were not prepared to pass that on to our customers. We didn't feel it was the right thing to do."
The utility told Maritime Iron last week it would no longer be part of the $1.5-billion proposal, which would have seen the iron plant linked to the coal-powered Belledune plant.
The Belledune Iron Processing Facility, highlighted in yellow, would have been located next to the NB Power Belledune Generating Facility.
The gas from the iron plant would have allowed Belledune to reduce its consumption of coal by 50 per cent, Maritime Iron claimed.
But Maritime Iron itself plans to use coal as part of its processing system as well.
Cronkhite said that presented "challenges."
He said it was "up for interpretation" whether the gas coming from Maritime Iron to the NB Power plant would be subject to federal coal regulations.
"If it's treated like coal, that could be a challenge," he said.
Emissions problem
Another issue was whether its emissions would be attributed to NB Power or Maritime Iron alone.Louise Comeau of the Conservation Council of New Brunswick said that was a key distinction, because if Ottawa considered the emissions to be coming from NB Power, it would be on the hook for the resulting carbon taxes.
"It would have been a huge liability for NB Power to take on Maritime Iron," she said.
Another element of uncertainty for the utility is that the federal government has yet to approve New Brunswick's proposed carbon pricing system for heavy industry, a system that would see NB Power pay a carbon price on a much smaller share of its emissions.
New Brunswick hopes to sign a so-called equivalency agreement with Ottawa that would see Belledune, its last coal-powered plant, reduce emissions ahead of the 2030 federal phaseout so that it can operate past that date.
In effect, it would spread out the same amount of emissions over a longer period, until the end of the plant's design life in 2040.
NB Power's coal-fired generating plant in Belledune is one of the province's major sources of carbon emissions. (CBC)
That's the way other provinces, including Nova Scotia, were able to sign equivalency agreements.
But if Ottawa were to decide to treat emissions from burning of Maritime Iron's gas byproduct at NB Power as coming from coal, Comeau said, the utility would not be able to claim less intensive pre-2030 emissions, and that would jeopardize the hoped-for exemption.
"It's a good decision by NB Power," Comeau said.
Cronkhite said he's hopeful the province can strike an equivalency agreement with Ottawa in the next 12 to 18 months. He said the potential for a deal is not affected by the withdrawal from the Maritime Iron plan.
Given Saskatchewan and Nova Scotia reached such deals despite being more dependent on coal as a power source, "we have every expectation that we can get there," he said.
'Surprised and disappointed'
Maritime Iron said in a written statement Friday that it was "surprised and disappointed" that the utility had withdrawn from talks on the proposal "despite continued positive progress that has already resolved most challenges to date."The company had been hoping to start building the iron processing facility this year. It said it would create 1,300 direct jobs during construction and 200 permanent jobs during the plant's operations.
Maritime Iron's own environmental impact assessment document, submitted to the province in January, said the business case for the project was stronger with NB Power involved.
"A standalone operating scenario configuration was investigated but determined to be less favourable than the integrated scenario configuration," it said.
The document says putting the iron plant next to the generating station would "result in fewer overall greenhouse gas emissions, and … in significant savings in capital expenditures."
Even so, the company's vice-president of communications and public affairs, Elena Mantagaris, said the company was still "certain that there are multiple ways to advance this project in New Brunswick."
Maritime Iron was the second major proposal considered by NB Power as a way of reducing the use of coal at Belledune.
The first, an unproven hydrogen technology by Florida-based Joi Scientific, has so far not proven viable.
Cronkhite said the company is "continuing to do testing. … The pandemic has delayed some of that, as we might expect. But they're still pursuing options with respect to their technology and testing in other locations, and we wait to hear back on their results."
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Methinks Higgy et al are gonna enjoy my second email to them today N'esy pas?
David Amos
"Yea Right Mr Cronkhite"
Why did that have to "Poof" after it stood for hours and actually got a couple of likes?
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Yea Right Mr Cronkhite
David Amos
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Methinks most folks are not aware that the former boss of NB Power asked the EUB months ago to delay its decision on its second stab at getting an OK to buy "Not So Smart" Meters N'esy Pas?
Lou Bell
Raise your hands who would like to pay more " Taxes for Pollution " here in the Province ! As NB Power said , the costs would cost them HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS ! Who wants to pay first ????
David Amos
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Reply to @Lou Bell: Methinks Higgy, Holland and Cronkhite should explain why NB Power bothered with this nonsense in the first place N'esy Pas?
Reply to @Lou Bell: Methinks Higgy, Holland and Cronkhite should explain why NB Power bothered with this nonsense in the first place N'esy Pas?
Joe Rootliek
I think NB Power would have gotten gas from the Furnaces of the Maritime Iron at a lower cost than buying Coal from the Market- Not sure but that should have happened... And should have been required of course before a contract was signed.
It would have decreased Global Emissions, and gave the United States, Europe, Canada, Pig Iron capacity ( like we seen with the health care equipment being made in China) in case we really need it in time of war.
But, it is not a Global Reductions treaty- This plant, Maritime Iron, should have been more efficient than the older Chinese pig iron technology.
Have to wait for different governments to get elected I guess..
David Amos
Reply to @Joe Rootliek: Dream on
valmond landry
JACQUES POIRIER what the four old party wants is artificial job it's ok to look after the environment however those government jobs paid by the tax payers is not going to last forever you need industries in the northeastern part of the province we lost four big industries mill, 2 mines one smelter.how long is that going to last, and then we hear our leader talking about work ethic what a joke where is the work everybody on farms picking bluberry or in fish plant for four months what a roten setuation.
David Amos
Reply to @valmond landry: Welcome back to the circus
Paul Bolton
Ok, this only makes sense if Maritime Iron doesn't get built. But politics and jobs usually outweigh environment in NB.
David Amos
Reply to @Paul Bolton: C'est Vrai
Kevin Cormier
Rates will soar when they refurb the Mactaquac hydro dam! The dam was one of the main reason for NB Powers attempted sale years ago and that shoe has yet to drop. (is the dam healing itself?) The time is coming...
Stephen Robertson
Reply to @Kevin Cormier: did NBP not just enter into an agreement with Quebec Hydro to do that?
David Amos
Reply to @Stephen Robertson: YUP
David Amos
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Reply to @Kevin Cormier: Methinks you finally answered my longstanding query about whether or not you were Higgy's favourite Mr Cormier Clearly you are not N'esy Pas?
Reply to @Kevin Cormier: Methinks you finally answered my longstanding query about whether or not you were Higgy's favourite Mr Cormier Clearly you are not N'esy Pas?
Jacques poirier
NB Power has pulled out of a major project that would have created 300 long term high paying jobs to NBers.WOW! They didn;t hesitate to pour millions into a Florida energy scam.
They are building about 100 high energy homes that will make some contractor rich.But a major project ?...oh no ..we can't do something that would be good for the north of the province.Heaven forbid!
Lou Bell
Reply to @Jacques
poirier: And yet you don't appear to realize the HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS in
extra costs would be coming OUT OF YOUR WALLET !!! Are you willing to
pay hundreds more dollars annually to NB Power ? Another of the many "
good money chasing bad " projects we've seen in northern NB for decades !
David Amos
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Reply to @Jacques poirier: Methinks you should study that matter closer before you find yourself defending the indefensible for weeks N'esy Pas?
Reply to @Jacques poirier: Methinks you should study that matter closer before you find yourself defending the indefensible for weeks N'esy Pas?
Jackie Barrett
"NB
Power says it pulled out of a proposal for an iron processing plant in
northern New Brunswick because it would have been forced to pass on
costs to ratepayers in the hundreds of millions of dollars. "
Such projects would make more money for NB Power, not lose it.
Such projects would make more money for NB Power, not lose it.
David Amos
Reply to @Jackie Barrett: Yea Right
time to come up with another political party that would work for the people reorganized this province those four old party's are getting obsolete, ridiculous , not worth a penny, wear being governed by a bunch of clowns .we could say the same thing at the federal level.
Kevin Cormier
Reply to @valmond
landry: yawn... so there are 4 parties yet you want to create another
one. Sure, that sounds like a solution.
David Amos
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Reply to @Kevin Cormier: Methinks we should rid ourselves of all political parties and run the legislature like they do up north I bet a lot more folks would vote then N'esy Pas?
Reply to @Kevin Cormier: Methinks we should rid ourselves of all political parties and run the legislature like they do up north I bet a lot more folks would vote then N'esy Pas?
Lou Bell
I guess Maritime Iron hadn't counted on the "ringer " they presented their propsal to is no longer running N.B. Power. That Florida project had caught their attention and the opportunity was just too good for them to pass up . A year earlier and they would have had them , hook , line , and sinker !
David Amos
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Reply to @Lou Bell: "Martha Stewart ! Martha bakes your butter tarts ! This isn't a cooking story ! What's next ? Pizzagate ???"
Methinks my concerns with NB Power and my filing on Friday with the EUB should be next N'esy Pas?
Reply to @Lou Bell: "Martha Stewart ! Martha bakes your butter tarts ! This isn't a cooking story ! What's next ? Pizzagate ???"
Methinks my concerns with NB Power and my filing on Friday with the EUB should be next N'esy Pas?
Terry Tibbs
This belongs in a book, maybe in Ripley's believe it or not?
Since when has NB Power been concerned about the fate of those destined to pay power bills for the rest of their natural life?
David Amos
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Reply to @Terry Tibbs: Methinks the last time was on or about the 12th of Never N'esy Pas?
Reply to @Terry Tibbs: Methinks the last time was on or about the 12th of Never N'esy Pas?
David Amos
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Reply to @Terry Tibbs: Methinks Higgy is gonna try herding cats again at the circus in Fat Fred City tomorrow while Holland, Urquhart and Cardy to name but a few of his crew of clowns partake of far too many butter tarts as usual N'esy Pas?
Reply to @Terry Tibbs: Methinks Higgy is gonna try herding cats again at the circus in Fat Fred City tomorrow while Holland, Urquhart and Cardy to name but a few of his crew of clowns partake of far too many butter tarts as usual N'esy Pas?
Murray Brown
So wasting money on bizarre perpetual power schemes from Florida and 'smart' meters is more sensible? Somebody needs to reign in the overpaid executives they have placed in charge of NB Power.
David Amos
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Reply to @Murray Brown: Methinks thats Higgy's and Holland's job N'esy Pas?
Reply to @Murray Brown: Methinks thats Higgy's and Holland's job N'esy Pas?
Dave Corbin
Maritime Iron will cause significant CO2 emissions and must be scraped.
David Amos
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Reply to @Dave Corbin: What would our forests breathe if they were allowed to exist?
Reply to @Dave Corbin: What would our forests breathe if they were allowed to exist?
Wayne Mac Arthur
Too bad they are just awakening to the possibility of consideration of the ratepayer.
David Amos
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Reply to @Wayne Mac
Arthur: Dream on Methinks everybody knows its just fainthearted
political spin and a whole lot more BS in order to cover up a pile of
money they already wasted on this nonsense N'esy Pas?
David Amos
Reply to @David Amos: BINGO
Ben Haroldson
nbpower should have been sold back when it was worth something.
David Amos
Reply to @Ben Haroldson: YUP
Ben Haroldson
Time for a provincial election. The crew has had it too easy for long enough.
Leslie
Russell
Reply to @Ben Haroldson: Jump out of the Conservative frying pan into the Liberal fire. Stupid is what stupid does.
Ben Haroldson
Reply to @Leslie Russell: Typical nb voters, right?
Lou Bell
Reply to @Ben Haroldson: Great idea for an election ! Higgs will get a majority for certain !!!
David Amos
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Reply to @Lou Bell: Methinks Higgy should advise you that its not wise to count your chickens before they hatch N'esy Pas?
Reply to @Lou Bell: Methinks Higgy should advise you that its not wise to count your chickens before they hatch N'esy Pas?
David Amos
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Reply to @Leslie Russell: Methinks Mother Nature the fine lady who oversees our Forests should be proud of you using the quote from Hollywood N'esy Pas?
Reply to @Leslie Russell: Methinks Mother Nature the fine lady who oversees our Forests should be proud of you using the quote from Hollywood N'esy Pas?
David Amos
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Reply to @Ben Haroldson: Methinks folks should consider voting for independents next time if there is one on their ballot N'esy Pas?
Reply to @Ben Haroldson: Methinks folks should consider voting for independents next time if there is one on their ballot N'esy Pas?
Ed Smith
Maritime Iron said in a written statement Friday that it was "surprised and disappointed"
Really? This isn't the 19th century. If you develop a business plan that relies heavily on coal you shouldn't be surprised that it runs into a lot of obstacles.
David Amos
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Reply to @Ed Smith: Methinks one dude in particular is surprised and disappointed that he got booted off the gravy train N'esy Pas?
Reply to @Ed Smith: Methinks one dude in particular is surprised and disappointed that he got booted off the gravy train N'esy Pas?
Robert G. Holmes
The basic idea of steel making makes sense. The process of using met coal is the problem. Why not consider using electricity, following the import of power from Quebec, and take Belledune off line? Why is your Engineer/Premier not open to better advice, on the NB Power and Energy file?
Roy Kirk
Reply to @Robert G.
Holmes: In that case it would make more sense to move the plant to
Quebec and save the transportation costs for both the ore and the
electricity.
Terry Tibbs
Reply to @Robert G. Holmes:
Yes, the making of steel makes perfect sense. Too bad that is not what is being proposed here. If you are paying attention, the intention is to simply process iron ore into iron ingots, which are not steel.
Yes, the making of steel makes perfect sense. Too bad that is not what is being proposed here. If you are paying attention, the intention is to simply process iron ore into iron ingots, which are not steel.
David Amos
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Reply to @Roy Kirk: Trust that I asked such things out of the gate long ago but I already knew the answer that the crickets would not tell me
Reply to @Roy Kirk: Trust that I asked such things out of the gate long ago but I already knew the answer that the crickets would not tell me
Reply to @Roy Kirk:
Maybe "the plan" is to use TFWs for labour. They won't put up with that in Quebec.
Brian Robertson
Then why would they even consider getting involved.
This has to have been far more political than practical.
David Amos
Reply to @Brian Robertson: BINGO
Dan Lee
I wish somebody would take the money purse from theses fools of a corporation.....seems every time theres something new .....they want in............enough is enough.......its not their money..............
David Amos
Reply to @Dan Lee: Oh So True
Greg Miller
I'm glad NB Power pulled out of this proposal--hopefully it will die on the 'planning board". However, the suggestion that NB Power pulled out to save the ratepayers money in very FOREIGN TO ME!
David Amos
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Reply to @Greg Miller: Methinks its foreign to a lot of folks but nearly everybody in New Brunswick knows what the methane smells like in fresh BS when they hear it flop on the ground. Perhaps NB Power should start burning that stuff because our politicians certainly produce a lot of it at great expense N'esy Pas?
"Agriculture is responsible for an estimated 14 percent of the world's greenhouse gases. A significant portion of these emissions come from methane, which, in terms of its contribution to global warming, is 23 times more powerful than carbon dioxide. The U.S. Food and Agriculture Organization says that agricultural methane output could increase by 60 percent by 2030 [Source: Times Online]. The world's 1.5 billion cows and billions of other grazing animals emit dozens of polluting gases, including lots of methane."
Reply to @Greg Miller: Methinks its foreign to a lot of folks but nearly everybody in New Brunswick knows what the methane smells like in fresh BS when they hear it flop on the ground. Perhaps NB Power should start burning that stuff because our politicians certainly produce a lot of it at great expense N'esy Pas?
"Agriculture is responsible for an estimated 14 percent of the world's greenhouse gases. A significant portion of these emissions come from methane, which, in terms of its contribution to global warming, is 23 times more powerful than carbon dioxide. The U.S. Food and Agriculture Organization says that agricultural methane output could increase by 60 percent by 2030 [Source: Times Online]. The world's 1.5 billion cows and billions of other grazing animals emit dozens of polluting gases, including lots of methane."
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Methinks most folks are not aware that the boss of NB Power asked the EUB months ago to delay its decision on its second stab at getting an OK to buy "Not So Smart" Meters N'esy Pas?
https://davidraymondamos3.blogspot.com/2020/06/nb-power-pulls-out-of-maritime-iron.html
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/maritime-iron-belledune-nb-power-1.5600346
NB Power pulls out of Maritime Iron project, company says
NB Power has not offered any comment on cancelled project
· CBC News · Posted: Jun 05, 2020 3:04 PM AT
The Belledune Iron Processing Facility, highlighted in yellow, was to be located next to the NB Power Belledune Generating Facility.
NB Power is
pulling out of a proposed joint project with Maritime Iron that would
see a high-emissions iron processing plant built in the village of
Belledune.
Maritime Iron confirmed in a written statement that it was "surprised and disappointed" that the utility had withdrawn from talks on the proposal "despite continued positive progress that has already resolved most challenges to date."
Maritime Iron had been hoping to start building the iron processing facility this year. It said it would create 1,300 direct jobs during construction and 200 permanent jobs during the plant's operations.
The plan was to link the plant to NB Power's Belledune generating station, which would burn gas byproduct from the iron plant, allowing the utility to reduce its coal consumption.
"NB Power's decision to suspend negotiations means that we will jointly miss an opportunity for substantive economic development in the province," said the statement from Maritime Iron's vice-president of communications and public affairs Elena Mantagaris.
She said the company will continue to seek "direct engagement" with the provincial government to keep the project alive.
"We remain certain that there are multiple ways to advance this project in New Brunswick," she said.
But Maritime Iron's own environmental impact assessment document, submitted to the province in January, made it clear that the business case for the project was stronger with NB Power involved.
"A standalone operating scenario configuration was investigated but determined to be less favourable than the integrated scenario configuration," it said.
The document says putting the iron plant next to the generating station would "result in fewer overall greenhouse gas emissions, and … in significant savings in capital expenditures."
Maritime Iron's submission says the two facilities would emit a combined 4.9 million tons of greenhouse gases, almost double the 2.6 million tons Belledune now emits alone.
NB Power's withdrawal would mean even higher emissions: the EIA submission says the two plants operating separately would emit a combined 6.5 million tons of GHGs.
NB Power spokesperson Marc Belliveau refused to confirm the utility's withdrawal Friday afternoon.
In
the EIA document, Maritime Iron argued that supplying the Belledune
plant with a gas byproduct as a fuel source would reduce coal
consumption by 50 per cent and allow the power plant to continue
operating past a federal coal phaseout in 2030.
But any continued burning of coal at Belledune would need the province to sign a so-called equivalency agreement with Ottawa to exempt the plant from the phase-out in return for equal emissions cuts elsewhere in New Brunswick.
Maritime Iron has argued that the higher emissions from its plant would be offset by global emissions reductions, because the New Brunswick plant would displace higher-emitting iron processors in other countries and would enjoy shorter shipping distances to buyers.
But Canada, and New Brunswick, can't earn any credit for such reductions because there is no global agreement in place on how to measure and exchange reduction credits.
New Brunswick's official emissions reductions goal for 2030 is 14.1 million tons. Data from 2018 show the province emitted 13.2 tons in 2018, meaning the net increase of 2.3 million from Maritime Iron plant would cause the province to start exceeding its targets again.
"Implementing the project will make it difficult for New Brunswick to achieve its current aspirational climate change goal" once the plant begins operating in 2022, Maritime Iron said in its EIA submission.
Maritime Iron confirmed in a written statement that it was "surprised and disappointed" that the utility had withdrawn from talks on the proposal "despite continued positive progress that has already resolved most challenges to date."
Maritime Iron had been hoping to start building the iron processing facility this year. It said it would create 1,300 direct jobs during construction and 200 permanent jobs during the plant's operations.
The plan was to link the plant to NB Power's Belledune generating station, which would burn gas byproduct from the iron plant, allowing the utility to reduce its coal consumption.
"NB Power's decision to suspend negotiations means that we will jointly miss an opportunity for substantive economic development in the province," said the statement from Maritime Iron's vice-president of communications and public affairs Elena Mantagaris.
She said the company will continue to seek "direct engagement" with the provincial government to keep the project alive.
"We remain certain that there are multiple ways to advance this project in New Brunswick," she said.
But Maritime Iron's own environmental impact assessment document, submitted to the province in January, made it clear that the business case for the project was stronger with NB Power involved.
"A standalone operating scenario configuration was investigated but determined to be less favourable than the integrated scenario configuration," it said.
The document says putting the iron plant next to the generating station would "result in fewer overall greenhouse gas emissions, and … in significant savings in capital expenditures."
Stumbling block
Even with NB Power's participation, the proposal faced a huge environmental stumbling block.Maritime Iron's submission says the two facilities would emit a combined 4.9 million tons of greenhouse gases, almost double the 2.6 million tons Belledune now emits alone.
NB Power's withdrawal would mean even higher emissions: the EIA submission says the two plants operating separately would emit a combined 6.5 million tons of GHGs.
NB Power spokesperson Marc Belliveau refused to confirm the utility's withdrawal Friday afternoon.
But any continued burning of coal at Belledune would need the province to sign a so-called equivalency agreement with Ottawa to exempt the plant from the phase-out in return for equal emissions cuts elsewhere in New Brunswick.
Maritime Iron has argued that the higher emissions from its plant would be offset by global emissions reductions, because the New Brunswick plant would displace higher-emitting iron processors in other countries and would enjoy shorter shipping distances to buyers.
But Canada, and New Brunswick, can't earn any credit for such reductions because there is no global agreement in place on how to measure and exchange reduction credits.
New Brunswick's official emissions reductions goal for 2030 is 14.1 million tons. Data from 2018 show the province emitted 13.2 tons in 2018, meaning the net increase of 2.3 million from Maritime Iron plant would cause the province to start exceeding its targets again.
"Implementing the project will make it difficult for New Brunswick to achieve its current aspirational climate change goal" once the plant begins operating in 2022, Maritime Iron said in its EIA submission.
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David Amos
Surprise Surprise Surprise
David Amos
Methinks most folks are not aware that the boss of NB Power asked the EUB months ago to delay its decision on its second stab at getting an OK to buy "Not So Smart" Meters N'esy Pas?
Jon White
Has anybody had enough of this circus they call NB Power??? They would muck up a 2 customer paper route!!
David Amos
Reply to @Jon White:
Methinks if you enjoy the circus you should check my arguing NB Power
within the EUB Most of the documents are open for public view Much to
the chagrin of Higgy et al trust that the submission I filed today in
the 357 Matter was a dilly even if I say so myself N'esy Pas?
Lou Bell
Reply to @David Amos: We'll never hear about it , or even care to !
Roger Richard
Could it be possible that NB Power has a change of their long term vision about New Brunswick? Furthermore, could it be possible for them to change their mind concerning Smart Meters? Methinks it would be great, N’esy Pas?
Lou Bell
Reply to @David Amos: We'll never hear about it , or even care to !
Roger Richard
Could it be possible that NB Power has a change of their long term vision about New Brunswick? Furthermore, could it be possible for them to change their mind concerning Smart Meters? Methinks it would be great, N’esy Pas?
Lou Bell
Reply to @Roger Richard: Amos ?
JoeBrown
Reply to @Lou Bell: Only if he has split personalities, because he didn't talk to government officials in this post. .
David Amos
Reply to @Roger Richard: Methinks the same as you much to little Lou's chagrin N'esy Pas?
Lou Bell
Quebec's ** cough , cough ** " dirty little secret " that they want to pawn off on N.B.
.
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David Amos
Reply to @Lou Bell: Methinks you think you know a lot of such secrets N'esy Pas?
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Replying to @DavidRayAmos @alllibertynews and 49 others
I repeat Methinks most folks are not aware that the former boss of NB
Power asked the EUB months ago to delay its decision on its second
stab at getting an OK to buy "Not So Smart" Meters N'esy Pas?
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Rates would have soared if NB Power hadn't abandoned iron plant
project, utility says
Maritime Iron says it's considering other avenues to go ahead with project
Jacques Poitras · CBC News · Posted: Jun 08, 2020 5:44 PM AT
44 Comments
David Amos
Methinks Higgy et al are gonna enjoy my second email to them today N'esy pas?
Lou Bell
Raise your hands who would like to pay more " Taxes for Pollution "
here in the Province ! As NB Power said , the costs would cost them
HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS ! Who wants to pay first ????
David Amos
Reply to @Lou Bell: Methinks Higgy, Holland and Cronkhite should
explain why NB Power bothered with this nonsense in the first place
N'esy Pas?
Joe Rootliek
I think NB Power would have gotten gas from the Furnaces of the
Maritime Iron at a lower cost than buying Coal from the Market- Not
sure but that should have happened... And should have been required of
course before a contract was signed.
It would have decreased Global Emissions, and gave the United States,
Europe, Canada, Pig Iron capacity ( like we seen with the health care
equipment being made in China) in case we really need it in time of
war.
But, it is not a Global Reductions treaty- This plant, Maritime Iron,
should have been more efficient than the older Chinese pig iron
technology.
Have to wait for different governments to get elected I guess..
David Amos
Reply to @Joe Rootliek: Dream on
valmond landry
JACQUES POIRIER what the four old party wants is artificial job it's
ok to look after the environment however those government jobs paid by
the tax payers is not going to last forever you need industries in the
northeastern part of the province we lost four big industries mill, 2
mines one smelter.how long is that going to last, and then we hear our
leader talking about work ethic what a joke where is the work
everybody on farms picking bluberry or in fish plant for four months
what a roten setuation.
David Amos
Reply to @valmond landry: Welcome back to the circus
Paul Bolton
Ok, this only makes sense if Maritime Iron doesn't get built. But
politics and jobs usually outweigh environment in NB.
David Amos
Reply to @Paul Bolton: C'est Vrai
Kevin Cormier
Rates will soar when they refurb the Mactaquac hydro dam! The dam was
one of the main reason for NB Powers attempted sale years ago and that
shoe has yet to drop. (is the dam healing itself?) The time is
coming...
Stephen Robertson
Reply to @Kevin Cormier: did NBP not just enter into an agreement with
Quebec Hydro to do that?
David Amos
Reply to @Stephen Robertson: YUP
David Amos
Reply to @Kevin Cormier: Methinks you finally answered my longstanding
query about whether or not you were Higgy's favourite Mr Cormier
Clearly you are not N'esy Pas?
Jacques poirier
NB Power has pulled out of a major project that would have created 300
long term high paying jobs to NBers.WOW! They didn;t hesitate to pour
millions into a Florida energy scam.
They are building about 100 high energy homes that will make some
contractor rich.But a major project ?...oh no ..we can't do something
that would be good for the north of the province.Heaven forbid!
Lou Bell
Reply to @Jacques poirier: And yet you don't appear to realize the
HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS in extra costs would be coming OUT OF YOUR WALLET
!!! Are you willing to pay hundreds more dollars annually to NB Power
? Another of the many " good money chasing bad " projects we've seen
in northern NB for decades !
David Amos
Reply to @Jacques poirier: Methinks you should study that matter
closer before you find yourself defending the indefensible for weeks
N'esy Pas?
Jackie Barrett
"NB Power says it pulled out of a proposal for an iron processing
plant in northern New Brunswick because it would have been forced to
pass on costs to ratepayers in the hundreds of millions of dollars. "
Such projects would make more money for NB Power, not lose it.
David Amos
Reply to @Jackie Barrett: Yea Right
valmond landry
time to come up with another political party that would work for the
people reorganized this province those four old party's are getting
obsolete, ridiculous , not worth a penny, wear being governed by a
bunch of clowns .we could say the same thing at the federal level.
Kevin Cormier
Reply to @valmond landry: yawn... so there are 4 parties yet you want
to create another one. Sure, that sounds like a solution.
David Amos
Reply to @Kevin Cormier: Methinks we should rid ourselves of all
political parties and run the legislature like they do up north I bet
a lot more folks would vote then N'esy Pas?
David Amos
Content disabled
Methinks most folks are not aware that the former boss of NB Power
asked the EUB months ago to delay its decision on its second stab at
getting an OK to buy "Not So Smart" Meters N'esy Pas?
David Amos
"Yea Right Mr Cronkhite"
Why did that have to "Poof" after it stood for hours and actually got
a couple of likes?
---------- Original message ----------
From: "Austin, Kris (LEG)" <Kris.Austin@gnb.ca>
Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2020 10:20:01 +0000
Subject: Automatic reply: YO Higgy and Minister Holland Re EUB Matter
No. 357 - NB Power Rate Design / Instance Nº 357 - Énergie NB -
Établissement des tarifs
To: David Amos <david.raymond.amos333@gmail.
Thank you for your email.
Please be assured that all emails and letters are read carefully.
Should your issue be Constituency related, please contact Janet at my
constituency office at janet.johnston@gnb.ca or by calling 444-4530 or
440-9542.
Thanks again for taking the time to reach out to me with your concerns or input.
Legislative Assembly of New Brunswick Assemblée législative du Nouveau-Brunswick
Office of Kris Austin, MLA Bureau de Kris Austin, député
506-462-5875 506-462-5875
---------- Original message ----------
From: "Carr, Jeff Hon. (ELG/EGL)" <Jeff.Carr@gnb.ca>
Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2020 10:20:00 +0000
Subject: Automatic reply: YO Higgy and Minister Holland Re EUB Matter
No. 357 - NB Power Rate Design / Instance Nº 357 - Énergie NB -
Établissement des tarifs
To: David Amos <david.raymond.amos333@gmail.
Thank you for your email. Your thoughts, comments and input are greatly valued.
You can be assured that all emails and letters are carefully read,
reviewed and taken into consideration.
There may be occasions when, given the issues you have raised and the
need to address them effectively, we will forward a copy of your
correspondence to the appropriate government official. Accordingly, a
response may take several business days.
If your request is Constituency related, please contact Rose Ann at my
Constituency office in Fredericton Junction at RoseAnn.Smith@gnb.ca or
by phone at 506-368-2938.
Thanks again for your email.
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nous avoir fait part de vos idées, commentaires et observations.
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considération tous les courriels et lettres que nous recevons.
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responsable afin que les questions soulevées puissent être traitées de
la manière la plus efficace possible. En conséquence, plusieurs jours
ouvrables pourraient s’écouler avant que nous puissions vous répondre.
Si votre demande est liée à la circonscription, veuillez contacter
Rose Ann à mon bureau de circonscription à Fredericton Junction à
RoseAnn.Smith@gnb.ca ou par téléphone au 506-368-2938.
Merci encore pour votre courriel.
---------- Original message ----------
From: David Amos <david.raymond.amos333@gmail.
Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2020 07:19:49 -0300
Subject: YO Higgy and Minister Holland Re EUB Matter No. 357 - NB
Power Rate Design / Instance Nº 357 - Énergie NB - Établissement des tarifs
To: premier <premier@gnb.ca>, "blaine.higgs" <blaine.higgs@gnb.ca>,
kcronkhite@nbpower.com, gthomas@nbpower.com,
Dave.Stonehouse@
<kris.austin@gnb.ca>, "David.Coon" <David.Coon@gnb.ca>,
"Kevin.Vickers" <Kevin.Vickers@gnb.ca>, "Holland, Mike (LEG)"
<mike.holland@gnb.ca>, wharrison@nbpower.com, jfurey@nbpower.com,
ecdesmond@nbeub.ca, heather.black@gnb.ca, Ahmad.Faruqui@brattle.com,
Ross.Wetmore@gnb.ca, Newsroom <Newsroom@globeandmail.com>, Nathalie
Sturgeon <sturgeon.nathalie@
<steve.murphy@ctv.ca>, Andrea.AndersonMason@gnb.ca, jesse
<jesse@viafoura.com>, news <news@dailygleaner.com>, nben@nben.ca,
"nick.brown" <nick.brown@gnb.ca>, "robert.mckee"
<robert.mckee@gnb.ca>, "robert.gauvin" <robert.gauvin@gnb.ca>,
"dominic.leblanc.c1" <dominic.leblanc.c1@parl.gc.ca
<Dominic.Cardy@gnb.ca>, "jeff.carr" <jeff.carr@gnb.ca>, "rob.moore"
<rob.moore@parl.gc.ca>, premier <premier@ontario.ca>,
mbelliveau@nbpower.com, "Robert. Jones" <Robert.Jones@cbc.ca>,
Dave.Young@nbeub.ca
Cc: motomaniac333 <motomaniac333@gmail.com>, "margot.cragg"
<margot.cragg@umnb.ca>, "michelle.conroy" <michelle.conroy@gnb.ca>,
"rick.desaulniers" <rick.desaulniers@gnb.ca>, "Barbara.Whitenect"
<Barbara.Whitenect@gnb.ca>, "carl.urquhart" <carl.urquhart@gnb.ca>,
"Mitton, Megan (LEG)" <megan.mitton@gnb.ca>, markandcaroline
<markandcaroline@gmail.com>, "Mark.Blakely"
<Mark.Blakely@rcmp-grc.gc.ca>, "martin.gaudet"
<martin.gaudet@fredericton.ca>
<kevin.a.arseneau@gnb.ca>, kedgwickriver <kedgwickriver@gmail.com>
https://twitter.com/
David Raymond Amos @DavidRayAmos
Replying to @DavidRayAmos @alllibertynews and 49 others
I repeat Methinks most folks are not aware that the former boss of NB
Power asked the EUB months ago to delay its decision on its second
stab at getting an OK to buy "Not So Smart" Meters N'esy Pas?
https://davidraymondamos3.
#nbpoli #cdnpoli
https://www.cbc.ca/news/
Rates would have soared if NB Power hadn't abandoned iron plant
project, utility says
Maritime Iron says it's considering other avenues to go ahead with project
Jacques Poitras · CBC News · Posted: Jun 08, 2020 5:44 PM AT
34 Comments
David Amos
Content disabled
Yea Right Mr Cronkhite
David Amos
Methinks most folks are not aware that the former boss of NB Power
asked the EUB months ago to delay its decision on its second stab at
getting an OK to buy "Not So Smart" Meters N'esy Pas?
David Amos
"Yea Right Mr Cronkhite"
Why did that have to "Poof" after it stood for hours and actually got
a couple of likes?
Lou Bell
I guess Maritime Iron hadn't counted on the "ringer " they presented
their propsal to is no longer running N.B. Power. That Florida project
had caught their attention and the opportunity was just too good for
them to pass up . A year earlier and they would have had them , hook ,
line , and sinker !
David Amos
Reply to @Lou Bell: "Martha Stewart ! Martha bakes your butter tarts !
This isn't a cooking story ! What's next ? Pizzagate ???"
Methinks my concerns with NB Power and my filing on Friday with the
EUB should be next N'esy Pas?
Terry Tibbs
This belongs in a book, maybe in Ripley's believe it or not?
Since when has NB Power been concerned about the fate of those
destined to pay power bills for the rest of their natural life?
David Amos
Reply to @Terry Tibbs: Methinks the last time was on or about the 12th
of Never N'esy Pas?
David Amos
Reply to @Terry Tibbs: Methinks Higgy is gonna try herding cats again
at the circus in Fat Fred City tomorrow while Holland, Urquhart and
Cardy to name but a few of his crew of clowns partake of far too many
butter tarts as usual N'esy Pas?
Murray Brown
So wasting money on bizarre perpetual power schemes from Florida and
'smart' meters is more sensible? Somebody needs to reign in the
overpaid executives they have placed in charge of NB Power.
David Amos
Reply to @Murray Brown: Methinks thats Higgy's and Holland's job N'esy Pas?
Dave Corbin
Maritime Iron will cause significant CO2 emissions and must be scraped.
David Amos
Reply to @Dave Corbin: What would our forests breathe if they were
allowed to exist?
Wayne Mac Arthur
Too bad they are just awakening to the possibility of consideration of
the ratepayer.
David Amos
Content disabled
Reply to @Wayne Mac Arthur: Dream on Methinks everybody knows its just
fainthearted political spin and a whole lot more BS in order to cover
up a pile of money they already wasted on this nonsense N'esy Pas?
David Amos
Reply to @David Amos: BINGO
Ben Haroldson
nbpower should have been sold back when it was worth something.
David Amos
Reply to @Ben Haroldson: YUP
Ben Haroldson
Time for a provincial election. The crew has had it too easy for long enough.
Leslie Russell
Reply to @Ben Haroldson: Jump out of the Conservative frying pan into
the Liberal fire. Stupid is what stupid does.
Ben Haroldson
Reply to @Leslie Russell: Typical nb voters, right?
Lou Bell
Reply to @Ben Haroldson: Great idea for an election ! Higgs will get a
majority for certain !!!
David Amos
Reply to @Lou Bell: Methinks Higgy should advise you that its not wise
to count your chickens before they hatch N'esy Pas?
David Amos
Reply to @Leslie Russell: Methinks Mother Nature the fine lady who
oversees our Forests should be proud of you using the quote from
Hollywood N'esy Pas?
David Amos
Reply to @Ben Haroldson: Methinks folks should consider voting for
independents next time if there is one on their ballot N'esy Pas?
Ed Smith
Maritime Iron said in a written statement Friday that it was
"surprised and disappointed"
Really? This isn't the 19th century. If you develop a business plan
that relies heavily on coal you shouldn't be surprised that it runs
into a lot of obstacles.
David Amos
Reply to @Ed Smith: Methinks one dude in particular is surprised and
disappointed that he got booted off the gravy train N'esy Pas?
Robert G. Holmes
The basic idea of steel making makes sense. The process of using met
coal is the problem. Why not consider using electricity, following the
import of power from Quebec, and take Belledune off line? Why is your
Engineer/Premier not open to better advice, on the NB Power and Energy
file?
Roy Kirk
Reply to @Robert G. Holmes: In that case it would make more sense to
move the plant to Quebec and save the transportation costs for both
the ore and the electricity.
Terry Tibbs
Reply to @Robert G. Holmes:
Yes, the making of steel makes perfect sense. Too bad that is not what
is being proposed here. If you are paying attention, the intention is
to simply process iron ore into iron ingots, which are not steel.
David Amos
Reply to @Roy Kirk: Trust that I asked such things out of the gate
long ago but I already knew the answer that the crickets would not
tell me
Brian Robertson
Then why would they even consider getting involved.
This has to have been far more political than practical.
David Amos
Reply to @Brian Robertson: BINGO
Dan Lee
I wish somebody would take the money purse from theses fools of a
corporation.....seems every time theres something new .....they want
in............enough is enough.......its not their money..............
David Amos
Reply to @Dan Lee: Oh So True
Greg Miller
I'm glad NB Power pulled out of this proposal--hopefully it will die
on the 'planning board". However, the suggestion that NB Power pulled
out to save the ratepayers money in very FOREIGN TO ME!
David Amos
Reply to @Greg Miller: Methinks its foreign to a lot of folks but
nearly everybody in New Brunswick knows what the methane smells like
in fresh BS when they hear it flop on the ground. Perhaps NB Power
should start burning that stuff because our politicians certainly
produce a lot of it at great expense N'esy Pas?
"Agriculture is responsible for an estimated 14 percent of the world's
greenhouse gases. A significant portion of these emissions come from
methane, which, in terms of its contribution to global warming, is 23
times more powerful than carbon dioxide. The U.S. Food and Agriculture
Organization says that agricultural methane output could increase by
60 percent by 2030 [Source: Times Online]. The world's 1.5 billion
cows and billions of other grazing animals emit dozens of polluting
gases, including lots of methane."
https://www.cbc.ca/news/
NB Power pulls out of Maritime Iron project, company says
NB Power has not offered any comment on cancelled project
Jacques Poitras · CBC News · Posted: Jun 05, 2020 3:04 PM AT
28 Comments
Commenting is now closed for this story.
David Amos
Surprise Surprise Surprise
David Amos
Methinks most folks are not aware that the boss of NB Power asked the
EUB months ago to delay its decision on its second stab at getting an
OK to buy "Not So Smart" Meters N'esy Pas?
Jon White
Has anybody had enough of this circus they call NB Power??? They would
muck up a 2 customer paper route!!
David Amos
Reply to @Jon White: Methinks if you enjoy the circus you should check
my arguing NB Power within the EUB Most of the documents are open for
public view Much to the chagrin of Higgy et al trust that the
submission I filed today in the 357 Matter was a dilly even if I say
so myself N'esy Pas?
Lou Bell
Reply to @David Amos: We'll never hear about it , or even care to !
Roger Richard
Could it be possible that NB Power has a change of their long term
vision about New Brunswick? Furthermore, could it be possible for them
to change their mind concerning Smart Meters? Methinks it would be
great, N’esy Pas?
Lou Bell
Reply to @Roger Richard: Amos ?
JoeBrown
Reply to @Lou Bell: Only if he has split personalities, because he
didn't talk to government officials in this post. .
David Amos
Reply to @Roger Richard: Methinks the same as you much to little Lou's
chagrin N'esy Pas?
Lou Bell
Quebec's ** cough , cough ** " dirty little secret " that they want to
pawn off on N.B.
David Amos
Reply to @Lou Bell: Methinks you think you know a lot of such secrets
N'esy Pas?
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Paul Volpé <Paul.Volpe@libertyutilities.
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2020 16:10:55 +0000
Subject: Automatic reply: Matter No. 357 - NB Power Rate Design /
Instance Nº 357 - Énergie NB - Établissement des tarifs
To: David Amos <david.raymond.amos333@gmail.
Thank you for the email. I will be out of the office this afternoon
and be returning on June 8th. I will be pleased to respond to your
message at that time.
If you would like immediate attention, please contact 1-800-994-2762
and someone will be able to assist you.
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Gestionnaire, Affaires réglementaires
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paul.volpe@libertyutilities.paul.volpe@
>From: "Austin, Kris (LEG)" <Kris.Austin@gnb.ca>
Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2020 10:20:01 +0000
Subject: Automatic reply: YO Higgy and Minister Holland Re EUB Matter
No. 357 - NB Power Rate Design / Instance Nº 357 - Énergie NB -
Établissement des tarifs
To: David Amos <david.raymond.amos333@gmail.
Thank you for your email.
Please be assured that all emails and letters are read carefully.
Should your issue be Constituency related, please contact Janet at my
constituency office at janet.johnston@gnb.ca or by calling 444-4530 or
440-9542.
Thanks again for taking the time to reach out to me with your concerns or input.
Legislative Assembly of New Brunswick Assemblée législative du Nouveau-Brunswick
Office of Kris Austin, MLA Bureau de Kris Austin, député
506-462-5875 506-462-5875
---------- Original message ----------
From: "Carr, Jeff Hon. (ELG/EGL)" <Jeff.Carr@gnb.ca>
Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2020 10:20:00 +0000
Subject: Automatic reply: YO Higgy and Minister Holland Re EUB Matter
No. 357 - NB Power Rate Design / Instance Nº 357 - Énergie NB -
Établissement des tarifs
To: David Amos <david.raymond.amos333@gmail.
Thank you for your email. Your thoughts, comments and input are greatly valued.
You can be assured that all emails and letters are carefully read,
reviewed and taken into consideration.
There may be occasions when, given the issues you have raised and the
need to address them effectively, we will forward a copy of your
correspondence to the appropriate government official. Accordingly, a
response may take several business days.
If your request is Constituency related, please contact Rose Ann at my
Constituency office in Fredericton Junction at RoseAnn.Smith@gnb.ca or
by phone at 506-368-2938.
Thanks again for your email.
______
Merci pour votre courriel. Nous vous sommes très reconnaissants de
nous avoir fait part de vos idées, commentaires et observations.
Nous tenons à vous assurer que nous lisons attentivement et prenons en
considération tous les courriels et lettres que nous recevons.
Dans certains cas, nous transmettrons votre message au ministère
responsable afin que les questions soulevées puissent être traitées de
la manière la plus efficace possible. En conséquence, plusieurs jours
ouvrables pourraient s’écouler avant que nous puissions vous répondre.
Si votre demande est liée à la circonscription, veuillez contacter
Rose Ann à mon bureau de circonscription à Fredericton Junction à
RoseAnn.Smith@gnb.ca ou par téléphone au 506-368-2938.
Merci encore pour votre courriel.
---------- Original message ----------
From: David Amos <david.raymond.amos333@gmail.
Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2020 07:19:49 -0300
Subject: YO Higgy and Minister Holland Re EUB Matter No. 357 - NB
Power Rate Design / Instance Nº 357 - Énergie NB - Établissement des tarifs
To: premier <premier@gnb.ca>, "blaine.higgs" <blaine.higgs@gnb.ca>,
kcronkhite@nbpower.com, gthomas@nbpower.com,
Dave.Stonehouse@
<kris.austin@gnb.ca>, "David.Coon" <David.Coon@gnb.ca>,
"Kevin.Vickers" <Kevin.Vickers@gnb.ca>, "Holland, Mike (LEG)"
<mike.holland@gnb.ca>, wharrison@nbpower.com, jfurey@nbpower.com,
ecdesmond@nbeub.ca, heather.black@gnb.ca, Ahmad.Faruqui@brattle.com,
Ross.Wetmore@gnb.ca, Newsroom <Newsroom@globeandmail.com>, Nathalie
Sturgeon <sturgeon.nathalie@
<steve.murphy@ctv.ca>, Andrea.AndersonMason@gnb.ca, jesse
<jesse@viafoura.com>, news <news@dailygleaner.com>, nben@nben.ca,
"nick.brown" <nick.brown@gnb.ca>, "robert.mckee"
<robert.mckee@gnb.ca>, "robert.gauvin" <robert.gauvin@gnb.ca>,
"dominic.leblanc.c1" <dominic.leblanc.c1@parl.gc.ca
<Dominic.Cardy@gnb.ca>, "jeff.carr" <jeff.carr@gnb.ca>, "rob.moore"
<rob.moore@parl.gc.ca>, premier <premier@ontario.ca>,
mbelliveau@nbpower.com, "Robert. Jones" <Robert.Jones@cbc.ca>,
Dave.Young@nbeub.ca
Cc: motomaniac333 <motomaniac333@gmail.com>, "margot.cragg"
<margot.cragg@umnb.ca>, "michelle.conroy" <michelle.conroy@gnb.ca>,
"rick.desaulniers" <rick.desaulniers@gnb.ca>, "Barbara.Whitenect"
<Barbara.Whitenect@gnb.ca>, "carl.urquhart" <carl.urquhart@gnb.ca>,
"Mitton, Megan (LEG)" <megan.mitton@gnb.ca>, markandcaroline
<markandcaroline@gmail.com>, "Mark.Blakely"
<Mark.Blakely@rcmp-grc.gc.ca>, "martin.gaudet"
<martin.gaudet@fredericton.ca>
<kevin.a.arseneau@gnb.ca>, kedgwickriver <kedgwickriver@gmail.com>
https://twitter.com/
David Raymond Amos @DavidRayAmos
Replying to @DavidRayAmos @alllibertynews and 49 others
I repeat Methinks most folks are not aware that the former boss of NB
Power asked the EUB months ago to delay its decision on its second
stab at getting an OK to buy "Not So Smart" Meters N'esy Pas?
https://davidraymondamos3.
#nbpoli #cdnpoli
https://www.cbc.ca/news/
Rates would have soared if NB Power hadn't abandoned iron plant
project, utility says
Maritime Iron says it's considering other avenues to go ahead with project
Jacques Poitras · CBC News · Posted: Jun 08, 2020 5:44 PM AT
34 Comments
David Amos
Content disabled
Yea Right Mr Cronkhite
David Amos
Methinks most folks are not aware that the former boss of NB Power
asked the EUB months ago to delay its decision on its second stab at
getting an OK to buy "Not So Smart" Meters N'esy Pas?
David Amos
"Yea Right Mr Cronkhite"
Why did that have to "Poof" after it stood for hours and actually got
a couple of likes?
Lou Bell
I guess Maritime Iron hadn't counted on the "ringer " they presented
their propsal to is no longer running N.B. Power. That Florida project
had caught their attention and the opportunity was just too good for
them to pass up . A year earlier and they would have had them , hook ,
line , and sinker !
David Amos
Reply to @Lou Bell: "Martha Stewart ! Martha bakes your butter tarts !
This isn't a cooking story ! What's next ? Pizzagate ???"
Methinks my concerns with NB Power and my filing on Friday with the
EUB should be next N'esy Pas?
Terry Tibbs
This belongs in a book, maybe in Ripley's believe it or not?
Since when has NB Power been concerned about the fate of those
destined to pay power bills for the rest of their natural life?
David Amos
Reply to @Terry Tibbs: Methinks the last time was on or about the 12th
of Never N'esy Pas?
David Amos
Reply to @Terry Tibbs: Methinks Higgy is gonna try herding cats again
at the circus in Fat Fred City tomorrow while Holland, Urquhart and
Cardy to name but a few of his crew of clowns partake of far too many
butter tarts as usual N'esy Pas?
Murray Brown
So wasting money on bizarre perpetual power schemes from Florida and
'smart' meters is more sensible? Somebody needs to reign in the
overpaid executives they have placed in charge of NB Power.
David Amos
Reply to @Murray Brown: Methinks thats Higgy's and Holland's job N'esy Pas?
Dave Corbin
Maritime Iron will cause significant CO2 emissions and must be scraped.
David Amos
Reply to @Dave Corbin: What would our forests breathe if they were
allowed to exist?
Wayne Mac Arthur
Too bad they are just awakening to the possibility of consideration of
the ratepayer.
David Amos
Content disabled
Reply to @Wayne Mac Arthur: Dream on Methinks everybody knows its just
fainthearted political spin and a whole lot more BS in order to cover
up a pile of money they already wasted on this nonsense N'esy Pas?
David Amos
Reply to @David Amos: BINGO
Ben Haroldson
nbpower should have been sold back when it was worth something.
David Amos
Reply to @Ben Haroldson: YUP
Ben Haroldson
Time for a provincial election. The crew has had it too easy for long enough.
Leslie Russell
Reply to @Ben Haroldson: Jump out of the Conservative frying pan into
the Liberal fire. Stupid is what stupid does.
Ben Haroldson
Reply to @Leslie Russell: Typical nb voters, right?
Lou Bell
Reply to @Ben Haroldson: Great idea for an election ! Higgs will get a
majority for certain !!!
David Amos
Reply to @Lou Bell: Methinks Higgy should advise you that its not wise
to count your chickens before they hatch N'esy Pas?
David Amos
Reply to @Leslie Russell: Methinks Mother Nature the fine lady who
oversees our Forests should be proud of you using the quote from
Hollywood N'esy Pas?
David Amos
Reply to @Ben Haroldson: Methinks folks should consider voting for
independents next time if there is one on their ballot N'esy Pas?
Ed Smith
Maritime Iron said in a written statement Friday that it was
"surprised and disappointed"
Really? This isn't the 19th century. If you develop a business plan
that relies heavily on coal you shouldn't be surprised that it runs
into a lot of obstacles.
David Amos
Reply to @Ed Smith: Methinks one dude in particular is surprised and
disappointed that he got booted off the gravy train N'esy Pas?
Robert G. Holmes
The basic idea of steel making makes sense. The process of using met
coal is the problem. Why not consider using electricity, following the
import of power from Quebec, and take Belledune off line? Why is your
Engineer/Premier not open to better advice, on the NB Power and Energy
file?
Roy Kirk
Reply to @Robert G. Holmes: In that case it would make more sense to
move the plant to Quebec and save the transportation costs for both
the ore and the electricity.
Terry Tibbs
Reply to @Robert G. Holmes:
Yes, the making of steel makes perfect sense. Too bad that is not what
is being proposed here. If you are paying attention, the intention is
to simply process iron ore into iron ingots, which are not steel.
David Amos
Reply to @Roy Kirk: Trust that I asked such things out of the gate
long ago but I already knew the answer that the crickets would not
tell me
Brian Robertson
Then why would they even consider getting involved.
This has to have been far more political than practical.
David Amos
Reply to @Brian Robertson: BINGO
Dan Lee
I wish somebody would take the money purse from theses fools of a
corporation.....seems every time theres something new .....they want
in............enough is enough.......its not their money..............
David Amos
Reply to @Dan Lee: Oh So True
Greg Miller
I'm glad NB Power pulled out of this proposal--hopefully it will die
on the 'planning board". However, the suggestion that NB Power pulled
out to save the ratepayers money in very FOREIGN TO ME!
David Amos
Reply to @Greg Miller: Methinks its foreign to a lot of folks but
nearly everybody in New Brunswick knows what the methane smells like
in fresh BS when they hear it flop on the ground. Perhaps NB Power
should start burning that stuff because our politicians certainly
produce a lot of it at great expense N'esy Pas?
"Agriculture is responsible for an estimated 14 percent of the world's
greenhouse gases. A significant portion of these emissions come from
methane, which, in terms of its contribution to global warming, is 23
times more powerful than carbon dioxide. The U.S. Food and Agriculture
Organization says that agricultural methane output could increase by
60 percent by 2030 [Source: Times Online]. The world's 1.5 billion
cows and billions of other grazing animals emit dozens of polluting
gases, including lots of methane."
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David Amos
Surprise Surprise Surprise
David Amos
Methinks most folks are not aware that the boss of NB Power asked the
EUB months ago to delay its decision on its second stab at getting an
OK to buy "Not So Smart" Meters N'esy Pas?
Jon White
Has anybody had enough of this circus they call NB Power??? They would
muck up a 2 customer paper route!!
David Amos
Reply to @Jon White: Methinks if you enjoy the circus you should check
my arguing NB Power within the EUB Most of the documents are open for
public view Much to the chagrin of Higgy et al trust that the
submission I filed today in the 357 Matter was a dilly even if I say
so myself N'esy Pas?
Lou Bell
Reply to @David Amos: We'll never hear about it , or even care to !
Roger Richard
Could it be possible that NB Power has a change of their long term
vision about New Brunswick? Furthermore, could it be possible for them
to change their mind concerning Smart Meters? Methinks it would be
great, N’esy Pas?
Lou Bell
Reply to @Roger Richard: Amos ?
JoeBrown
Reply to @Lou Bell: Only if he has split personalities, because he
didn't talk to government officials in this post. .
David Amos
Reply to @Roger Richard: Methinks the same as you much to little Lou's
chagrin N'esy Pas?
Lou Bell
Quebec's ** cough , cough ** " dirty little secret " that they want to
pawn off on N.B.
David Amos
Reply to @Lou Bell: Methinks you think you know a lot of such secrets
N'esy Pas?
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Paul Volpé <Paul.Volpe@libertyutilities.
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2020 16:10:55 +0000
Subject: Automatic reply: Matter No. 357 - NB Power Rate Design /
Instance Nº 357 - Énergie NB - Établissement des tarifs
To: David Amos <david.raymond.amos333@gmail.
Thank you for the email. I will be out of the office this afternoon
and be returning on June 8th. I will be pleased to respond to your
message at that time.
If you would like immediate attention, please contact 1-800-994-2762
and someone will be able to assist you.
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paul.volpe@libertyutilities.
440 Wilsey Rd., Fredericton, NB E3B 7G5
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: NBEUB/CESPNB <General@nbeub.ca>
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2020 16:22:11 +0000
Subject: RE: Matter No. 357 - NB Power Rate Design / Instance Nº 357 -
Énergie NB - Établissement des tarifs
To: David Amos <david.raymond.amos333@gmail.
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Sent: June 5, 2020 1:11 PM
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Subject: Re: Matter No. 357 - NB Power Rate Design / Instance Nº 357 -
Énergie NB - Établissement des tarifs
On 6/2/20, Mitchell, Kathleen <Kathleen.Mitchell@nbeub.ca> wrote:
> Good afternoon,
>
> Please find attached a letter from the New Brunswick Energy and
> Utilities Board.
>
> ***
>
> Bonjour,
>
> Veuillez trouver ci-joint une lettre de la Commission de l’énergie et
> des services publics de Nouveau-Brunswick.
>
> Kathleen Mitchell
> Chief Clerk | Greffière en chef
>
> Energy & Utilities Board | Commission de l’énergie et des services
> publics du N.-B.
> 15 Market Square, Suite 1400
> Saint John, NB E2L 4Y9
> 506-643-7324 (direct)
> 506-658-2504 (reception)
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>
---------- Original message ----------
From: "Moore, Rob - M.P." <Rob.Moore@parl.gc.ca>
Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2020 10:20:31 +0000
Subject: Thank you for your email
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Subject: Automatic reply: YO Higgy and Minister Holland Re EUB Matter
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Subject: Automatic reply: YO Higgy and Minister Holland Re EUB Matter
No. 357 - NB Power Rate Design / Instance Nº 357 - Énergie NB -
Établissement des tarifs
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