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Property tax assessments to arrive next week after being split from bills

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https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/property-tax-assessment-change-1.5739202

 

Property tax assessments to arrive next week after being split from bills

Property will get assessment of property now, bill in the spring

  

Jacques Poitras · CBC News · Posted: Sep 25, 2020 4:27 PM AT

 

Lisa Dionne, the executive director of Service New Brunswick's property assessment services, said the separate documents make the Crown corporation's mandate more transparent. (Jacques Poitras/CBC)

Next week will mark the arrival in your mailbox of a long-discussed change to property tax assessments.

Service New Brunswick has split assessment notices — the official evaluation of the tax value of a property — from the bill that the owner must pay, creating two separate documents.

"We're happy to say that on Oct. 1, New Brunswickers will receive their first assessment notice," Lisa Dionne, the executive director of Service New Brunswick's Property Assessment Services, said Friday.

"With this separation this will allow us to have a more transparent, more clear mandate of what we need to deliver to New Brunswickers." 

Next week's notice won't include the actual tax amount owners will have to pay in the spring, because tax rates won't have been set by local governments yet.

The change will give the Crown corporation more time to review complaints and reconsider assessments before the owners receive their bills and must pay up. 

System revamp

Under the current system, both the assessment and the bill have arrived in March. In some cases the May 31 deadline for paying arrived before Service New Brunswick could complete a review into an owner's complaint.

Owners were required to pay even if the dispute was not resolved.

The 30-day period to apply for a review remains unchanged but officials will now have a lot more time to take a second look at a property before the owner has to pay.

Separating property assessment notices and property tax bills from each other was one of 25 recommendations made by New Brunswick Auditor General Kim MacPherson in 2017, following her review of that year's property assessment and tax controversy.

New Brunswick was one of only two provinces without separate assessment notices and bills.

Property tax snafu

In 2016, a new assessment system using aerial photography and sophisticated mathematics to evaluate properties was rushed into service ahead of schedule for the 2017 tax year.

It was expected the system would identify undervalued properties and unlock new tax revenues for the province.  

Instead it generated thousands of inflated property tax bills, and Service New Brunswick managers were then caught making up renovation amounts on some properties to justify some of the larger increases.


In 2016, a new assessment system was rushed into service ahead of schedule for the 2017 tax year. It was expected the system would identify undervalued properties and unlock new tax revenues for the province. Instead it generated thousands of inflated property tax bills. (CBC)

More than 18,000 New Brunswick property owners challenged their assessments that year because of the scandal, a mess that took months to untangle.

The splitting of assessments and bills is also triggering a change in timelines for municipal budgets, which rely on property tax revenue.

The government is looking at moving up the deadline by which cities, towns and villages must submit their annual budgets to the province from Nov. 30 to Nov. 15.

A draft regulation was posted online before the provincial election and is expected to be brought back after a new cabinet is sworn in next week.

For municipalities to meet that earlier Nov. 15 deadline, Service New Brunswick is committing to getting tax base information — the total assessed value of all properties within the municipalities — to mayors and councils next month. 

Quicker data

Margot Cragg of the Union of Municipalities of New Brunswick said cities, towns and villages need other data from the province, including road maintenance costing agreements, policing data and information from regional services commissions to set their budgets in time.

"There's a number of folks who need to provide numbers that then get plugged into the budgets," she said.


Margot Cragg of the Union of Municipalities of New Brunswick says cities, towns and villages need other data from the province, including road maintenance costing agreements, policing data and information from regional services commissions to set their budgets in time. (CBC)

Once municipalities set their local property tax rates, Service New Brunswick will use that information to calculate the individual tax bills to be sent to owners in March. 

Next week's assessment notices won't mark the end of Service New Brunswick's response to the 2017 assessment fiasco.

MacPherson's recommendations also included a more detailed assessment notice that would help New Brunswickers better understand how the value of their property had changed over time. 

This year's notice won't contain that information. Dionne said Service New Brunswick is still working on it and it will be implemented in years to come.

About the Author

Jacques Poitras

Provincial Affairs reporter

Jacques Poitras has been CBC's provincial affairs reporter in New Brunswick since 2000. Raised in Moncton, he also produces the CBC political podcast Spin Reduxit. 

 

 

 

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David Amos
Good night cruel world  

                                                                                                                                      

 
 
David Amos
Methinks Higgy et al must know why my Father's Ghost is no doubt laughing at this attempt to appear ethical N'esy Pas?

 
 
 
 
David Amos
Methinks many Maritimers know that Higgy's spin doctors are too dumb to know when to clam up N'esy Pas?
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
David Amos
I wounder if SNB has finally found the records on my Harley yet
 
 
Ray Oliver 
Reply to @David Amos: I bet the Medicare card is right under the pile of Harley papers too Nesy Passsss??
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
David Amos
Methinks Minister Cardy and his significant other must have some interesting pillow talk N'esy Pas?


David Amos
Reply to @David Amos: They can't deny the MP who was Cardy's best man was once the National Director of the Canadian Taxpayers Federation just like higgy's buddy Jason Kenney once was
 
 
Ray Oliver  
Reply to @David Amos: What does that 6 degrees of separation have to do with absolutely anything? That you research the person lives of these people for no reason? Thats all I take from it.
 
  
David Amos
Reply to @David Amos: Methinks Higgy's spin doctor wishes to overlook the fact that I ran against these people and their cohorts 7 times. Any wiseguy studies his political foes and their friends N'esy Pas?
 
 
Ray Oliver  
Reply to @David Amos: No you're obsessed. Know the issues, play on that, not a who knows who as if they're all tied to a greater con spiracy and you'll drain the swamp LOL
 
 
Ray Oliver  
Reply to @David Amos: And you didn't run against them.. considering yourself an actual candidate at the polls those 7 times let's your narcissism shine thru strongly.
 
 
David Amos
Reply to @Ray Oliver: Speaking of conspiracies Say Hey to the RCMP for me will ya?
 
 
Ray Oliver 
Reply to @David Amos: why don't you im sure you call them daily
 
 
David Amos
Reply to @Ray Oliver: They call me
 
 
Ray Oliver  
Reply to @David Amos: Youre a real asset and wealth of useful knowledge i can understand why. Uneducated wannabe hill billy
 
 
David Amos
Reply to @Ray Oliver: I complained of you in writing and published the proof of what I state is true
 
 
Ray Oliver  
Reply to @David Amos: Someone's feelings got hurt. Awww. Good job
 
 
David Amos
Reply to @Ray Oliver: As I said you are the Crown's problem not mine
 
 
Ray Oliver  
Reply to @David Amos: I'm sure they'll throw heavy resources on someone who calls you out for you tro lling on here. BIGLY!!
 
 
David Amos
Reply to @Ray Oliver: I must confess that I nearly died laughing when I discovered that your buddy Cardy's bike reminded me of the Butter Tarts he used to tease me about.
 
  
David Amos
Reply to @Ray Oliver: Methinks everybody knows you are the no name tr o ll in here not I In fact you bragged about it just yesterday N'esy Pas?
 
 
Ray Oliver  
Reply to @David Amos: Tell me again about running for Parliament, sueing the Queen or any other countless thread you hi Jack.. I miss it!!! Me me me me me me me!!!
 
 
David Amos
Reply to @Ray Oliver: Higgy and my Father's Ghost and Cardy and Williamson's daddies and nearly everybody else knows why I was talking about taxation before you decided to slander me some more.

Furthermore before i am done with you Your words not mine Correct

"your narcissism shine thru strongly"

Methinks it blatantly obvious that you are the dude who likes himself the instant he posts something N'esy Pas?
 
 
Ray Oliver
Reply to @David Amos: Cute. Go play in traffic you mental patient  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
David Peters
Word has it that the Trudeau liberals have blown through nearly half a Trillion in borrowed taxpayer's money, since March...with no budget or accounting of those funds.
 
 
Lou Bell
Reply to @David Peters: Sounds like the SANB Liberals in NB with their UNDISCLOSED 130 million dollar giveaway of taxpayer dollars dollars to their select group before and during the election 2 years ago with nary a word to anyone other than their " insiders " !
 
 
David Amos
Reply to @Lou Bell: Cry me a river
 
 
Ray Oliver
Reply to @David Amos: If he cries you an actual river would you finally take a bath in it?   
 
 
David Amos
Reply to @Lou Bell: Methinks you should remind your cohort that you are woman N'esy Pas?
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Donald LeBlanc
Also one of the only Provinces without the “Uniformity” principle which is the legislated right to compare assessments. Also one of the only Provinces with a double taxation issue. Why is NB always behind the rest of the Country?
 
 
Roy Nicholl
Reply to @Donald LeBlanc:
The "double taxation" predominately a misunderstanding of NB's version of a Homestead exemption. It is not that non-owner occupants (i.e. apartment owners, commercial properties) are taxed double, but that homeowners (owner occupants) receive a rebate/discount of the provincial portion of the property tax.

Additionally, at a rate of $1.1233/$100, the provincial portion of the property tax is somewhat less than 50%.
 
 
David Amos
Reply to @Roy Nicholl: Methinks you should explain that to a lot of seniors who owned their homes many years and see their property taxes double overnight N'esy Pas?
 
 
Ray Oliver
Reply to @David Amos: Facts? What would you know about ownership of any kind?
 
 
David Amos
Reply to @David Amos: Methinks its awful tempting to feed Higgy's tr o ll s sometimes N'esy Pas?
 
 
Ray Oliver
Reply to @David Amos: I am as independent an NB citizen as anyone else on here. You're not important enough for the higher ups to waste resources on.
 
 
David Amos
Reply to @David Amos: Methinks desperate sheople post desperate things N'esy Pas?
 
 
Ray Oliver
Reply to @David Amos: yes you're right you got me I'm running scared now and scrambling for cover hahaha.
 
 
David Amos
Reply to @Ray Oliver: Thats why you use fake names Correct?
 
 
Ray Oliver
Reply to @David Amos: real name. The others were to get under your skin. Mission accomplished
 
 
David Amos
Reply to @Ray Oliver: Yea Right 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Clive Gibbons
I wonder if they're still going to try and make us believe a pulp mill and refinery are only worth $340M combined?
 
 
Douglas James
Reply to @Clive Gibbons: Or the $88 million Irving HQ in uptown Saint John is fairly assessed at just $56 million.
 
 
Robert L. Brown
Reply to @Douglas James: they are not going to explain it they are just going to ignore you
 
 
David Amos
Reply to @Robert L. Brown: Methinks that is what they do best N'esy Pas?
 
 
Ray Oliver
Reply to @David Amos: You'd know all too well about the government ignoring you. But you created that by spamming them repeatedly
 
 
David Amos
Reply to @Ray Oliver: Methinks Higgy and you should talk to the two MPs who had their assistants call me last week before the Speech From The Throne No doubt your buddies in the RCMP were listening in N'esy Pas?
 
 
Ray Oliver
Reply to @David Amos: Don't throw your back out on a desperate reach like that..
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
David White
I like how the person holding the envelope is actually happy they are spending more taxpayers money to create, yet again, more duplication in New Brunswick.
 
 
Roy Nicholl
Reply to @David White:
How so?
Having the assessment in advance of the bill being do, provides property owners with the ability to appeal an assessment without being under-the-gun to have the taxes paid.
 
 
Roy Nicholl
Reply to @Roy Nicholl:
The above should read "...in advance of the bill being due..."

Autocorrect can be funny at times.
 
 
James Deer
Reply to @Roy Nicholl: That was not what David White was talking about.
_
He was addressing the fact that it takes 3 (independent of the government) Taxpayers to pay for 1 Government Bureaucrat.
 
 
Roy Nicholl
Reply to @James Deer:
Not certain how you extrapolate that from the original post, but it appears to have involved extensive reading between the lines
 
 
David Amos
Reply to @Roy Nicholl: I didn't have to read too deep between the lines
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
John Pokiok
Can I get the assessor who assess Irving properties to assess mine too please. Mine bill just keeps on going up while his one keeps on dropping.
 
 
louella woods
Reply to @John Pokiok: Sorry only Higgs former employer gets that.
 
 
James Deer
Reply to @louella woods: So were others before, as will the next after Higgs.
You were saying?
 
 
David Amos
Reply to @James Deer: Oh so true
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Paul Krumm
Why do we need an assessment and associated costs for what should be a simple mathematical function. Property area plus fee for each service. No arguments as to the value of any buildings, would save a fortune get rid of wasted government overheads and be a lot fairer than the convoluted mess we now have.
 
 
David Amos
Reply to @Paul Krumm: Methinks SNB should be audited N'esy Pas? 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

 
Robert L. Brown
the gevornment has found another way to spend our money
 
 
David Amos
Reply to @Robert L. Brown: Yup 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
James Deer
Amazing how many Bureaucrats are here to explain how 'Us Payers' don't understand the system.
 
 
David Amos
Reply to @James Deer: Yup 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Ben Haroldson
Them bureaucrats are some sly.
 
 
David Amos
Reply to @Ben Haroldson: Surely you jest
 

 

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