For the first time, RCMP Commissioner Brenda Lucki testified before the inquiry into the Nova Scotia mass shooting of April 2020. She's been facing intense scrutiny over allegations of political interference in the investigation, something she denied again at the inquiry.
Commissioner Brenda Lucki called the mass shooting in Nova Scotia a 'turning point' where residents lost faith in the RCMP, during her testimony in Halifax on Tuesday. The public inquiry into the deadly shooting is being led by the Mass Casualty Commission.
The MCC proceedings continued to focus today on the leadership of the RCMP, featuring continuing testimony from the now-retired former Commanding Officer for the RCMP in Nova Scotia, Lee Bergerman, and the current national Commissioner of the RCMP, Brenda Lucki. The contrast in leadership style and competence between the two was on stark display, and it was not a contrast that favoured Ms. Bergerman.
Some of the same questions that were asked of Ms. Bergerman yesterday about RCMP culture, ability to change, and her knowledge and understanding of the events of the mass casualty were also asked of Comm. Lucki. Where Ms. Bergerman gave short, vaguely worded answers, and claimed time and time again not to have asked questions or been informed about the RCMP’s operational response to the active shooter, Comm. Lucki gave long, detailed, and specific answers, and appeared to be engaged in the details of operational and policy shortcomings.
Stanton had her mask on before the Lawyer was even finished with Lucki. She appeared to want to be anywhere but there as MacDonald wrapped up the day. It showed cowardice that was hilarious and pathetic at the same time.
Are we able to get the live chat for this video. I’ve been in the hospital, nothing too serious but I’m trying to catch up. God Bless the 23 and God Bless the families
Rewatch in this morning as missed a lot yesterday, am I missing something all the notes why was this not brought up before yesterday prior to her testimony. They new they never provide them the MCC would have seen they never had them. Isn’t this against some kind of law ethics?
RCMP
Commissioner Brenda Lucki testifies at the Mass Casualty Commission
inquiry into the mass murders in rural Nova Scotia on April 18/19, 2020,
in Halifax on Tuesday, August 23, 2022. Gabriel Wortman, dressed as an
RCMP officer and driving a replica police cruiser, murdered 22 people. (The Canadian Press/Andrew Vaughan)
The
head of the RCMP has repeated her stance that she didn't deal with
political pressure to make firearms details about the Nova Scotia mass
shooting public, saying government officials were simply "asking" and
not directing — which is a "big distinction."
Commissioner Brenda
Lucki faced questions from the Mass Casualty Commission leading the
public inquiry into the April 2020 mass shooting on Tuesday in Halifax,
as well as from a lawyer for most of the victims' families.
Michael
Scott of Patterson Law asked Lucki about various topics, including
concerns from Nova Scotia RCMP members that the Liberal prime minister
and minister of public safety wanted details of the perpetrator's
firearms released ahead of their gun control legislation.
On
Tuesday, Lucki again said that then-public safety minister Bill Blair
never directed or ordered her to disclose the makes and models of the
guns during the April 28, 2020, press conference — Blair's office was
simply checking on whether it would be included.
"When somebody
says 'can you do that?' that's to me direction, and it wasn't that at
all. It was just an if — is that information going to be part of that
media event?" Lucki said.
She
added that the firearms were just one point in a long list of issues
the minister and federal government were interested in around the mass
shooting, including the emergency alert system and the gunman's mock
RCMP car.
When Scott suggested that an ask from people in power
can carry more impact and seem like a direction, Lucki said she "didn't
ask the question" but in fact the ask went through staff from the
national RCMP headquarters.
That communications person, Sharon Tessier, said last month
she was one who told Lucki the gun information would be released
through the April 28 press conference and Lucki passed that information
to Blair and the prime minister. When the gun details weren't released,
Lucki told the House of Commons committee she was upset because, "I felt
I had misinformed the minister and, by extension, the prime minister."
On
Tuesday, Lucki repeated her position that the miscommunication is what
led to her frustrated tone in a call with the Nova Scotia RCMP team
after the press conference, since it was the "straw that broke the
camel's back" after days of little to no public information from Nova
Scotia.
Scott asked why Lucki didn't apologize to the Nova Scotia
team in the April 28 call right away, and simply explain that she was
upset because she'd passed the wrong information along.
"I could have and I didn't, you're absolutely right," Lucki said.
Lucki said Canadians are "losing trust in their local RCMP." (The Canadian Press/Andrew Vaughan)
She
also expressed exhaustion about being asked similar questions over and
over again, having spoken to the House of Commons committee looking into
political interference in July and the commission interviewing her
about the issue in August.
"I'm trying to explain myself seven
different ways from Sunday here, I'm just — I find myself a little bit
frustrated because I … know the conversations I had with the minister,"
Lucki said.
"There was never any direction."
The political
controversy began when Chief Supt. Darren Campbell's notes from a call
on April 28, 2020 with Lucki and members of the Nova Scotia RCMP were
released as part of the inquiry in June.
Campbell wrote the
commissioner was "sad and disappointed" and "had promised the minister
of Public Safety and the Prime Minister's Office that the RCMP, [we]
would release this information."
He repeated this assertion
earlier this month before a House of Commons committee, saying that
Lucki seemed to dismiss his argument that releasing specifics of the
makes and models of the firearms could impact the ongoing
investigation.
Senior Mountie says commissioner pressed him to release sensitive details after N.S. mass shooting
7 days ago
Duration 5:48
On
Tuesday, RCMP Chief Supt. Darren Campbell testified before a committee
looking into allegations of political interference in the 2020 Nova
Scotia mass murder investigation.
Other senior
Nova Scotia officers and civilian members who were on the April 28 phone
call have backed up Campbell's recollection of attempted interference,
while some of the Ottawa RCMP team have told a House of Commons
committee they don't remember Lucki using certain phrases.
On
Tuesday, Lucki said no one from Nova Scotia was in her meetings with the
minister or people from his office, and they have no "direct knowledge"
of what could have taken place.
"I'm really the only person that
can tell you if I was getting direction, or if I was getting
interference from the minister's office," Lucki said.
"For them to connect the dots in the way that they connected them — obviously that's their opinion but it's not based on fact."
Blair has
denied ever asking Lucki to pressure the RCMP to make the information
about the guns public. Prime Minister Justin Trudeau has said the
government did not put any "undue" pressure on the RCMP.
Lucki
also told the public inquiry how the mass shooting in Nova Scotia became
a "turning point" where residents lost faith in the Mounties, following
criticism from the public and media which spiralled into low morale
across the forces' ranks and a spike in retirements or transfers.
Twenty-two
people died on April 18 and 19, 2020. Top row from left: Gina Goulet,
Dawn Gulenchyn, Jolene Oliver, Frank Gulenchyn, Sean McLeod, Alanna
Jenkins. Second row: John Zahl, Lisa McCully, Joey Webber, Heidi
Stevenson, Heather O'Brien and Jamie Blair. Third row from top: Kristen
Beaton, Lillian Campbell, Joanne Thomas, Peter Bond, Tom Bagley and Greg
Blair. Bottom row: Emily Tuck, Joy Bond, Corrie Ellison and Aaron Tuck.
(CBC)
When asked about the high turnover
in Nova Scotia senior ranks following the mass shooting, Lucki said
although there's often a jump in people leaving their jobs after a
traumatic event she believes it was also due to the negative narrative
and Canadians "losing trust in their local RCMP."
Up until the
mass shooting across April 18 and 19, 2020, Lucki said the Nova Scotia
RCMP had a good relationship with its citizens.
"But then things
happen, and you don't want that to be a defining moment — you don't want
that to be a turning point, and that's sort of what happened," Lucki
said.
"I
think it was a hard pill to swallow for the managers because they take
it in internally and I honestly wouldn't expect anything differently."
The
commission has heard that three of the top officers in the province
have since retired or moved to roles in other provinces as of this
month, which Lucki said was a "very unusual" amount of turnover at the
senior level.
Lucki noted that soon after the mass shooting, there
was not only criticism about how that Nova Scotia response was handled
but more conversations came up around systemic racism in policing in
general following the death of George Floyd at the hands of a
Minneapolis police officer.
"It affects our recruiting when people
don't want to join your organization, and before this we had thousands
of people wanting to join," Lucki said.
"That's got to take a toll
on you. I know it does because it takes a toll on me every single day,
and I think, 'How can we do better?'"
Communications 'needed to be better'
Although
Lucki said there was a lot of frustration from herself and the national
RCMP communications team with how little information the Nova Scotia
RCMP was sharing publicly, she said Tuesday that also was not their
fault.
The smaller Nova Scotia communications team was overwhelmed
by the amount of media attention and information from the crime scenes,
Lucki said, and usually in major events the national headquarters in
Ottawa would send a team to help strategize and better share details
with the media.
She confirmed the national communications team
only got involved eight or nine days after the mass shooting, by which
point Lucki said the Nova Scotia team had been working around the
clock for more than a week.
"If I could do that over again, that
... comms team that we would have put together should have been there
like that first or second day," Lucki said.
She said that
communications is "as important" as police operations, because it's
vital that the public understands what is being done.
Lawyer
Michael Scott of Patterson Law, whose firm represents more than a
dozen families, questions RCMP Commissioner Brenda Lucki at the Mass
Casualty Commission inquiry into the mass murders in rural Nova Scotia
on April 18/19, 2020, in Halifax on Tuesday, August 23, 2022. Gabriel
Wortman, dressed as an RCMP officer and driving a replica police
cruiser, murdered 22 people. (The Canadian Press/Andrew Vaughan)
When
a commission lawyer noted that the N.S. team spent seven days preparing
for the April 28 press conference, which lasted two hours and included a
large amount of information, Lucki said it might have been a better
idea to have been releasing information "all the way along" to avoid
such a time-consuming media event.
"The victims' families
deserve no less, the people in Nova Scotia deserve no less. Canadians
want to know what was happening," Lucki said. "We needed to be better."
Lucki
said Tuesday that making the RCMP more transparent is a priority of
hers, and in the past year senior officers from divisions across Canada
have been given training to make them more confident and comfortable
dealing with the media and public committees.
Scott brought up
various examples of misinformation or lack of response from the Nova
Scotia RCMP following the mass shooting, including how at an early press
conference the Mounties said there were "in excess of 10" casualties
when they knew there were many more, along with details of the Onslow
fire hall shooting.
Lucki said she also "scratched" her head at
the excess of 10 quote. But she said that situation, and in Onslow where
two Mounties shot at a civilian thinking he was the gunman, are prime
examples of why extra context and details are needed from the RCMP so
people have a full picture.
"It's about providing as much information as you can and letting Canadians come to their own opinion," Lucki said.
But
Scott questioned Lucki about how she could square her push for
transparency when her team at RCMP headquarters quashed an
interview Campbell agreed to do with the CBC's Fifth Estate in the fall of 2020 for its episode "13 Deadly Hours".
Lucki
said she'd been advised there were many reasons the interview should be
cancelled, including that the public inquiry was soon being struck
which would bring out a lot of answers, and emotions in Nova Scotia were
still very high.
"It's a tough one to reconcile, I'm not going to deny that," Lucki said.
She
added that by running out in front of the media at the time when a
commission was being announced also seemed "self-serving," and there
likely would have been more criticism if Campbell had done an interview
as the inquiry was announced.
Scott asked Lucki whether that meant
that it's not always a good idea for the RCMP to be honest and
transparent when there are "timing" or "strategic considerations."
Lucki
said it's not about being honest or dishonest, but there are many
factors to look at which change "from one decision to another." She
added that she relies on her strategic communications to offer advice,
and in that case she took it.
Some Ottawa RCMP brass knew guns wouldn't be released
According
to new emails released by the commission Tuesday, by the time
Campbell's press conference started around 4 p.m. on April 28 Deputy
Assistant Commissioner Brian Brennan did know the firearms wouldn't be
brought up.
Just before 2 p.m., Brennan emailed Lia Scanlan, the
head of strategic communications for the Nova Scotia RCMP at the time of
the shooting, checking that Campbell was "not comfortable" releasing
the make and models publicly during the press conference.
A few minutes later, Scanlan responded "correct, investigative team including Campbell."
In
his recent interview with the commission, Brennan said he would have
told Lucki about this piece of information because they worked down the
hall from one another. But on Tuesday, Lucki said she doesn't recall
that happening and it's likely she was working from home on April 28 due
to COVID-19.
She added that if Brennan had told her about the gun
details not being shared, she would have quickly briefed the minister
and prime minister's offices and avoided the issue completely, so
"that's why I don't believe I was told."
Lucki also said that for
her, it didn't matter that the miscommunication happened to be about the
firearms — it was the fact she got "erroneous information" out of Nova
Scotia on multiple occasions.
The details of the firearms only
became public through a briefing note given to the prime minister by
Lucki, which surfaced through an access to information request.
After
police shot and killed the gunman at a gas station in Enfield, N.S.,
they found five firearms in his possession, three handguns and two
rifles. He obtained three of them in Houlton, Maine. (Mass Casualty Commission)
Despite
a request from the Nova Scotia Mounties that the firearm information be
shared only internally to the RCMP, emails show Lucki sent those
details to the offices of the public safety minister and the national
security adviser to the prime minister. Lucki said Tuesday she didn't
see that detail from the email, but had assumed she was fine to send
along the firearms information to certain political offices because
she'd already referenced how the public safety minister was "anxious" to
have those details.
Earlier Tuesday, the commissioner finished questioning retired assistant commissioner Lee Bergerman, who was commanding officer of the Nova Scotia RCMP at the time of the mass shooting.
The
inquiry also learned Tuesday that the federal Department of Justice had
not yet disclosed a year of Bergerman's notes to the commission,
following a pattern of late disclosure and holding back pages of documents to check for privilege.
Lori
Ward, a lawyer for the department, said that while they had collected
and shared Bergerman's notes up until October 2020, it took some time to
gather the remaining notebooks between that point and her retirement in
October 2021.
"I regret the situation," Ward said.
The commission had set aside Tuesday and Wednesday to hear from Lucki.
BTW Lots of folks noticed that Commissioner Lucki and her minions were
not in uniform as they testified before the Mass Casualty Commission
Methinks they agree with me about it being in a legal state known as
"functus" Nesy Pas Seamus et al?
Former N.B. premier Frank McKenna to head search for next RCMP commissioner
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Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2017 15:44:12 -0400
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Governor General Johnston and Commissioner Paulson and many members of
the RCMP should review pages 1 and 4 one document ASAP EH Minister
Goodale? (Away from the office/absente du bureau)
To: David Amos motomaniac333@gmail.com
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Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2017 19:44:07 +0000
Subject: Automatic reply: RE A legal state known as "functus" Perhaps
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Minister Goodale?
To: David Amos motomaniac333@gmail.com
I will be out of the office until Mon. June 26th and will not have
access to my email. For urgent matters, please contact my assistant at
426-5758. Thanks.
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From: Patrick Bouchard patrick.bouchard@rcmp-grc.gc.ca
Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2017 15:44:18 -0400
Subject: Re: Fwd: RE A legal state known as "functus" Perhaps you,
Governor General Johnston and Commissioner Paulson and many members of
the RCMP should review pages 1 and 4 one document ASAP EH Minister
Goodale? (AOL)
To: David Amos motomaniac333@gmail.com
I will be AOL until July 6th 2017.
I will not have access to Groupwise.
I may be reached at my personal e-mail XXXXXX@gmail.com depending on
data coverage.
'You are not a leader': RCMP boss's testimony about Moncton shootings
inflames corporal
Friend of 3 slain Mounties lashes out at RCMP commissioner after
feeling betrayed at trial
By Gabrielle Fahmy, CBC News Posted: Jun 22, 2017 6:00 AM AT
"When asked by the Crown last week why he wanted to testify, Paulson
said it was because as the commissioner, he was accountable for his
members.
But when prosecutor Paul Adams asked him if he was then ready to
accept responsibility for the death of three officers, Paulson replied
"no."
Bouchard said he felt almost physically ill when he heard Paulson's
statement. He calls it "a tough pill to swallow."
Paul Adams
Public Prosecution Service of Canada
Duke Tower
1400-5251 Duke St.
Halifax, Nova Scotia B3J 1P3
Phone: 902-426-7541
Fax: 902-426-1351
Email: paul.adams@ppsc-sppc.gc.ca
Cpl. Pat Bouchard or
Cpl. Chuck Plaxton
Northeast District RCMP
Blackville Detachment
506-843-9400
Atlantic Region
Commissioner’s Representative:Mylène Thériault
Heritage Court
95 Foundry Street, Suite 410
Moncton, New Brunswick E1C 5H7
Telephone: 506-851-7047
BTW I called this dude too and left a voicemail telling him to dig
into his records and find what he should to give to his temporary boss
ASAP
Access to Information and Privacy Coordinator
Office of the Commissioner of Official Languages
30 Victoria Street, 6th Floor
Gatineau, Quebec K1A 0T8
Telephone: 819-420-4718
E-mail: ATIP-AIPRP@clo-ocol.gc.ca
Clearly I have very good reasons to make these calls N'esy Pas Mr
Prime Minister Trudeau "The Younger and Mr Speaker Geof Regan???
Baylin's Support Ducks love cucumberslol Stanton is masked up to not get the RCMP kuddies
nikki lewiswhat is the truth , i b elieve Lucki on this versus BS DOJ
Little Grey CellsGod HATES LIARS
CON-CANoxoxo Thank you @Paul Kimber
Truth InAllBut! She just said she saw the full report!
NS BluenoseNo longer so where did it go
Ash LunnDOJ denis there is a FULL report BUT Lucki said there was
Truth InAllLiar!
Truth InAllLiar
READyPLaYer?GrandWorldDrama
CON-CANI support stanton wearing a face diaper
Little Grey CellsThey are claiming it was destroyed
Ken Triolgleaning?????
NS BluenoseShe stated not longer report was her words…
J Jkarma will come to all..it may take time..but it will happen
Truth InAllYes! Liar
Chiang LoveSure!
nikki lewissomething smells here
Julia RockPoop there.
Chris LeeIt was intimately hidden
J Jcircles around we go
Little Grey CellsSo she saw it BEFORE DOJ if I am recalling correctly
READyPLaYer?DESTROYED LIKE THE EVIDENCE IN PORTAPIQUE?
tinycha0sBad things come back to you 7 fold. Good things only 3. They’re obviously going to hell.
Baylin's Support Ducks love cucumbersnow Brenda walks back the report comment cuz DOJ Barbie is panicking
Little Grey CellsWATER TIme
Robert KlinckA
woman who has trained herself to turn on an acted personality as though
with a switch. That's how I would explain the inappropriate persistent
smile.
David AmosYO SeamusMethinks YOUR GOD loves a circus as much as I do N'esy Pas?
Ash Lunncaught LYING
READyPLaYer?yes tintchaos
tinycha0si wish it was waterBOARDING time
Truth InAllDo not believe they are overworked.
Peppy MohawkYouu are property if fyou identify with the legal fiction on your GVT issue BC
Ash Lunna truro police officer just got hired by rcmp recently, We are very disappointed in her.
InvasiononeI hate the anti christ
Peter LambI feel they traded the marked units for unmarked in my area. Rarely see marked.
Julia RockFrozen
Julia RockBack again.
David AmosMethinks
Leanne Fitch's buddies in the PCO have failed to inform her that the
MCC was in a legal state known as "functus"ot of the gate N'esy Pas???
Truth InAllDue to the high numbers leaving . Yes.
Baylin's Support Ducks love cucumbersthe
way Rodney talked about the 2 unstaffed detachments I smell the same
trick they used to funnel $$$ during Iraq and Afghanistan with paper
infantry units
Tony KUse to be we wanted police to be visible and seems now they want to be unseen.
Little Grey CellsBOOM
Chris LeeI hate Cheerios but I've never tried them
J Jmouse voice all the sudden hmmmm
Little Grey CellsGo into Zita, Mr Scott
Ash Lunnask Lucki if she got any info from NBs J Division about Portapique?
Julia RockAnswer
Little Grey CellsFast and Freezies
Tony Kfigure head as you must be part of it as RCMP Commissionaire.
Sis CNo accountability
Chris LeeDo you think? Is she for real
Truth InAllDidn’t know ....
Baylin's Support Ducks love cucumbersI'm
an idiot I only carried an RCMP issued firearm for 20yrs the government
tells us what to amend or ban cuz I'm head of RCMP duhhhhhhh
J Jhow can she not know..it still blows my mind
Ash LunnF & F are part of it but this tragic event also includes a Undercover OP that blew up
J DoneLooking like Leather when he was asked about F&F now
Little Grey CellsShe is getting REALLY mad
Truth InAllRaised eyebrow
Country SideHe just got the stank eye
YESSIwoaaa
nikki lewisanother person that doesn read or fact check themselves before relying on information , getting v old excuse
Truth InAllLol! A tell
Chiang LoveOh my God!
J J@lgc but she doesn't get angry lmao
dvdvnoPointing to Lisa?
Brenda Grantwow
What TheHeckNSYou don’t know those laws intimately? WHATTTTT?
Chiang LoveI thought everyone knew
InvasiononeHow do you get to be the commissioner of RCMP and Firearms Program without knowing basic firearms law
What TheHeckNSOMG
CON-CANBased
on evidence, the ammo only made it as far as lisa. She asked her
brother to get it, she picked it up and she paid for it. No evidence
that Gabriel ever even touched it
Baylin's Support Ducks love cucumbersShe's playing dumb about guns to pull attention away from PMO PCO yet still hinting someone told her what to do
Chris LeeShe is very unknowledgeable for the top dog.
Ash Lunnfill the gas tank on that Bus, it's going to drive over Lucki over & over & over & over
Julia RockBeen on her back for years I’d say.
Matt WatsonWell, she knows the firearm laws about as well as our Parliamentarians...
Sis CI'm only the da big boss!
Dave RedmondShe’s all outta sorts holy smokes don’t trip over your words
Chiang LoveAnd she is cleared to carry a gun. Shame!
SadMafiosoDid Luckie forget how to read too?
Invasionone????
What TheHeckNSYou are the Commissioner right?
InvasiononeWouldn't do it justice? What does that mean?
cyndilets protect lb!
Truth InAllThinking of the movie where the crazy woman hobbled the writer.
Sis CShe is aw shucking it now
J Jyou need retraining
Little Grey CellsFAST AND FREEZIES
Sis CMISERY
J Jdreaming of rum
Matt Watsonof course not because the legislation was about performative actions only, not concrete effective actions.
InvasiononeLooking at? You mean supplying?
Baylin's Support Ducks love cucumbersyou would know they were illegally smuggled once you read the CBSA/USBP ATF report on Gab
Truth InAllYes! Mystery! Thanks!
CON-CANThere is NO connections
Chris LeeShe is in some committee to ban guns? She doesn't know a rifle from a pistol
Dave RedmondShe doesn’t have a clue wtf!!
J Jshe looks confused
Sis CFeigning ignorance
Julia RockHe is crying.
YESSIWAIT
Truth InAllLol can see her play that part at the foot of the bed.
J Jhe's upset
Ash Lunncome clean Lucki, tell Scott about ALL the guns that were tracked that GW had
Linda MacDonaldStop talking over him
CON-CANThat's right. She's using the murders of our families to push her agenda
Little Grey CellsDISGUTING
Chris LeeGood for him
Chiang LoveDid she just chuckle? Shame
J Donethere it is
What TheHeckNSLook at her eyes
Julia RockOutburst?
J Joptics wtf 23 ppl were murdered
Little Grey CellsFAMILIES SPEAK!!!!
Truth InAllSee MacDonald rush in??
What TheHeckNSStanton wants him to keep going
SadMafiosomasters.
Janes BlondNoooooooo
nikki lewisDISGUSTING
Chris LeeShe is a snake in the grass
Baylin's Support Ducks love cucumbersas
prime minister I will ban colouring books and crayons in all Federal
offices and institute mandatory hands on training and reading of these
ancient devices called books
Chiang LoveOh my god! Shut up MacDonald
Truth InAllAzz l
Ash LunnWooHoo you go Scott!!!!!!!
Sis CThey don't get to 5:30 it
Truth InAllShut up MacDonald indeed.
Julia RockDid somebody yell out?
J Jthat's right Scott..stay on this
Brenda Grantlet him go on!!!!
Anita Buttshave another piece of cheesecake
Truth InAllNo time limit on digging up truth!
Ash Lunntomorrow will be VERY interesting for sure
J Jgramps needs to hit the bed
Truth InAllJulia I hope so!
Little Grey CellsI heard a door. Did someone get escorted out?
MHMcDonald's cocktail hour
Baylin's Support Ducks love cucumberssooooooo banning legally purchased Firearms aids Lucki's stooges in combating ILLEGALLY OBTAINED AND SMUGGLED FIREARMS
NovaScotiaFreckles Just had 3 weeks off and worried about working a little late. I can’t
J Jspeak up lucki
Sis CThe deceased have 5:30 forever, push yourself
nikki lewisright Freckles, ! disgusting
Julia RockDid anybody else hear two different outbursts or voices?
nikki lewissounds like something happening in the room there
Truth InAllHappy to see he is happy to keep going in spite of MacDonald!
J Jno compassion
YESSIoh, he's not gonna like that answer
Chris LeeI heard something too
Julia RockWasn’t thinking of the smuggling?
Ash Lunn@nikki lewis wonder if people there are reading a certain news story LMAO
Little Grey CellsPush the envelope???? What????
Truth InAllWhen you know whose side MacDonald is on.
Baylin's Support Ducks love cucumbers@Julia I've heard 2 outburst pre MacDonald speaking then 1 after and then a chair squeak and a door
Chris LeeWhat's the news story
nikki lewisMr
Scott should be able to go for as long as hee needs to tonight and
continue on tomorrow, they have a whole day still slated for her
tomorrow
Tony KClearly this lawyer is also traumatized by this political BS done here....
J Donethe least inquisitive inquiry
nikki lewisI
missed the start of Mr Scott, is he the designated lawyer for all the
families for Lucki or are others slated to ask questions?
Ash Lunn@Chris Lee about an undercover OP that blew up
Michael Pennyshe is stunned!!
J Doneat least we get the docs
Truth InAllFlush the shower curtain.
J J@nikki lewis I agree
Oh DearYou knew immediately that all guns were illegal since SOC had no PAL
Chris LeeOh wow interesting
Janes BlondFriend says there is a lot of stinkeye in that room
Little Grey Cellsplease share!
Sis CNo
philosophizing about life now. People or the public hae a right to
know, they are not babies. You are not the keeper of truths
J Jwhere is that smirk now
Truth InAllNot very bright is she?
Sis CKeeper of truth, guardian of beauty
Truth InAllMacDonald must be fuming!
InvasiononeMaybe because small community police aren’t running covert ops on their own “clients”
nikki lewisguarded aka cover truth at all costs
Chris LeeOh really?
Oh DearLucki is going to say she needs a break soon
Little Grey CellssHARON IS KEY IN THE EMAIL CHAIN
J Donedo they promote expendable people as like an ice floe situation?
Chris LeeI gotta check that out
Sis Cshe be worried about the next "media event?"
J Jlucki was hoping gramps would rescue her
Julia RockFuming!
Truth InAllMacDonald to the rescue!
J Jshe lost her juju she had this morning
Little Grey CellsRed getting to ears effecting hearing
Sis CHeavy is the head that wears the crown is what she seems to be saying.
Julia RockNo wind in her sail now!
MHheard that before today . bs
Truth InAllNo respect for this person.
David AmosCrocodile
tears from a lawyer right on cue at the end of a Hell of a day Do tell
Seamus does your GOD love the circus as much as I do?
Truth InAllLies were told today.
J JI hope she lies awake all night worrying about what lies she needs to tell tomorrow
Paul Kimber@ Oh Dear, they ain’t even trying to hide there evil deeds. They simply hate Jesus and we who love Him.
Little Grey CellsDucks
Ash Lunn@Sis C Yup she certainly will be nervous about any Media event after what dropped today
J Jintimate conversations?
SadMafioso[message retracted]
Sis CAnd
they all get paid for being here today. Yes for sure she mentioned
media over and over in the short time I have been listening
SadMafiosoSilo*
Julia RockJJ lol!
cyndinot to fast with cobeqiud
Little Grey CellsSet yourself free and you will be forgiven
J Doneironic using hearsay
nikki lewisexactly so all 3 make that inference from you Llucki!
Sis CTruth shall set you free...
Truth InAllMacDonald
will soil himself thanking her for this display today, soothe the top
dog as it is in his interest to take her side. Politics.
Julia RockHoist your sail Lucki, be free!
Oh Dear
You are the one ( so you can say anything and no one can question you)
Sis CYep they will probably get overtime and go for beers after this.. Let me buy you dinner MS Lucki
Truth InAllPeople in high places of power
Ash Lunnask Lucki why Tremblay was booted
J Jbut u asked
J Donewhy would they be, why would you even ask that if there wasn't a political motive
nikki lewisOMG SPLITTING HAIRS
J Jagain you did ask
InvasiononeVery shrunk down, very withdrawn, very low voice, no fake smile…
nikki lewisBUMP BUMP BUS
Julia RockYou are a conduit only like a city pipe!
Truth InAllSay sorry??
Truth InAllHer?
Truth InAllLol!
J Jshe's not impressed lol that face
Little Grey CellsNotes from the 28 meeting... WHERE ARE THEY? They were SCRIBED.
Janes BlondThe wheels on the bus go thump thump thump
Sis CIf any of this is covered by state media all they will do is show clips of herr talking and act like truths were told there.
Little Grey CellsDebbie...
Tony K3 x Senior RCMP with over 100 years experience must be drawing the wrong conclusion.
Truth InAllShould have!
J J@lgc purged
Ash LunnLucki is screwed
Linda MacDonaldShe apologizes to No one
J Jstep down liar lucki
Ash LunnY'all better watch MCC tomorrow guys
Truth InAllLol! Quick exit!
J Jhas gramps ever mentioned that before
Julia Rock1 hr 57 mins
J Doneunder oath for the rest of the day I guess
nikki lewisshe cant get out of their quick enough lol
J J@Julia Rock time to twist one
Truth InAllMacDonald rushing it along was disgusting!
J Jwonder if 6pm news will get a story in
Christine WDon’t think he would allow that in his former court room
Sis Cyep no evidence
Truth InAllShows his side.
Baylin's Support Ducks love cucumbers@Little Grey Cells was the 28th meeting held on CSE run zoom infastructure
Ash Lunnthere will be quite the 5 O'Brien tonight me thinks
Truth InAllNo respect for the top dog.
J Donehonesty looks different than that
MHwants to keep her job
Sis Cit is not in her make up to tell the truth she wants too look good for the government, the public doesn't mean anything to them.
Truth InAllYes!
Julia Rock8 hrs 8 mins. - 5 hrs 40 mins work and 2 hr 28 mins caucus
Truth InAllYes!
InvasiononeHopefully that inspires some more lawyers to bring that same conviction tomorrow morning.
Tony KIt has been a circus court to date....what is the difference?
lilybalm66i think Mr.Scott did a good job holding her feet to the fire
Janes BlondIm clearing my schedule for tomorrow. Im not missing this lol
Christine WWow good days work today
Ash LunnMichael Scott did GREAT today
David Amos"Will no one rid me of this troublesome priest?" Too Too Funny Indeed
nikki lewisv good work today by Mr Scott
J Jshe
represents 32000 members, her actions have a ripple effect ..take
accountability, you don't get paid for a top job and not take any
responsibility. a good leader takes the fall
Truth InAllThis is going to be soft serve by the media!
Michael Pennynews at 6.....top story tonight.......murder hornets.
Ash LunnLucki will sink with the ship along with all her crew
J Jdon't ask..don't tell attitude
Truth InAllHope so!
Tony KHard
questions with her and she has little involvement wit the whole
think....did hard questions with some of the other SSgt involved in the
actual 18/19 Apr....now too late.
nikki lewisMakes no sense Lia still there
Becca ASomeone else wrote her testimony for sure , probably done producing her email draft as we speak. I’m sure they were paid well
J JLia is not a rcmp member correct
Baylin's Support Ducks love cucumberslawyer should have finished his day saying I'm not suicidal cuz Lucki is going to send the secret Branch crew after him
J Jdo I have that correct
Truth InAllShe wanted to meet with Lia while in NS. She declined!
Ash Lunnall those promotions are to keep their mouths shut about what really happened at Portapique
nikki lewisYep civilian member
Tony KLia works as civilian at the RCMP.
J Jthanks @Nikki
SadMafioso@J J Lia is a civilian that works for the RCMP, not a cop. Yes
Christine WPersonal
question… NO Dis respect to families but when the lawyers speak the
names of who the rep makes those ones may more attention
InvasiononeSounds like ERT is pulling up
J Jwould Lia not fall in the same union as rcmp officers
Michael Pennysee you tomorrow at 930!!
Christine WSo sorry for the long … it make everyone STOP and realize these people we lost in our province
J Jright..different union..thats why she spoke out
Ash LunnLia got her promtion to keep her mouth shut
Tony KLia
stays as she threatened a verbal harassment complaint during the
telecon so they would not fire her and gave her new position to shut
up.....simple.
J Jyou don't go against your brothers or sisters in the same union
Baylin's Support Ducks love cucumbers@J J as far as I know civi contract employees are Unifor not NPF if attached to RCMP
cyndiwhat does that mean about you and Tara?????
J J@Baylin that's what I suspected
Christine WI think Campbell wants luckis job he will take Lia with him
RCMP
Commissioner Brenda Lucki appears before the Mass Casualty Comission in
Halifax on Aug.23, 2022. The comission is leading the public inquiry
into the Nova Scotia mass shooting of April 2020. (CBC)
The
head of the RCMP is testifying today before the public inquiry into the
Nova Scotia mass shooting, following weeks of controversy around
whether she was under political pressure to release information about
the gunman's firearms ahead of the Liberal government's gun control
legislation.
Commissioner Brenda Lucki is facing questions from the Mass Casualty Commission leading the inquiry in Halifax.
The
political controversy began in June when Chief Supt. Darren Campbell's
notes from a call on April 28, 2020, with Lucki and members of the Nova
Scotia RCMP were released as part of the inquiry.
Campbell
wrote the commissioner was "sad and disappointed" and "had promised the
minister of public safety and the Prime Minister's Office that the
RCMP, [we] would release this information."
He repeated this
assertion earlier this month before a House of Commons committee, saying
that Lucki seemed to dismiss his argument that releasing specifics of
the makes and models of the firearms could impact the ongoing
investigation.
Bill Blair, who was public safety minister at the
time, has denied ever asking Lucki to pressure the RCMP to make the
information about the guns public. Prime Minister Justin Trudeau has
said the government did not put any "undue" pressure on the RCMP.
Issue due to miscommunication: Lucki
Lucki
has told the House of Commons public safety and national security
committee that things went sideways following a miscommunication between
herself and Nova Scotia RCMP.
Ahead of Campbell's news conference
on April 28, 2020, Lucki said Blair's chief of staff asked her whether
the gun details would be released publicly. Lucki said she checked with
her national RCMP communications team, which told her the details would
be released.
Lucki relayed that information back to Blair's office
and the deputy minister of public safety. But when the gun details
weren't released, Lucki was upset because "I felt I had misinformed the
minister and, by extension, the prime minister."
The details of
the firearms only became public through a briefing note given to the
prime minister by Lucki, which surfaced through an access to information
request.
Twenty-two
people died on April 18 and 19, 2020. Top row from left: Gina Goulet,
Dawn Gulenchyn, Jolene Oliver, Frank Gulenchyn, Sean McLeod, Alanna
Jenkins. Second row: John Zahl, Lisa McCully, Joey Webber, Heidi
Stevenson, Heather O'Brien and Jamie Blair. Third row from top: Kristen
Beaton, Lillian Campbell, Joanne Thomas, Peter Bond, Tom Bagley and Greg
Blair. Bottom row: Emily Tuck, Joy Bond, Corrie Ellison and Aaron Tuck.
(CBC)
Despite a request from the Nova
Scotia Mounties that the firearm information be shared only internally
to the RCMP, emails show Lucki sent those details to the offices of the
public safety minister and the national security adviser to the prime
minister.
Earlier Tuesday, the commissioner finished questioning retired assistant commissioner Lee Bergerman, who was commanding officer of the Nova Scotia RCMP at the time of the mass shooting.
The
inquiry also learned Tuesday that the federal Department of Justice had
not yet disclosed a year of Bergerman's notes to the commission,
following a pattern of late disclosure and holding back pages of documents to check for privilege.
Lori
Ward, a lawyer for the department, said that while they had collected
and shared Bergerman's notes up until October 2020, it took some time to
gather the remaining notebooks between that point and her retirement in
October 2021.
"I regret the situation," Ward said.
The commission had set aside Tuesday and Wednesday to hear from Lucki.
Is
this the next step Because she is not wearing the uniform she will
resign after her testimony Speak the truth about the political
interference then retire with a massive pension and leave with a little
integrity The Trudeau bus is idling
Richard Egbert
Bahahahaha they had to change the photo.,
How kind the CBC is to their own
Chantal LeBouthi
Why is she in regular civilian clothes instead of her uniform
She’s the head of the RCMP
Not Walmart
Scottie MacNeil
Whomever advised Lucki to wear civilian clothing you're out of touch!
Greg Stanford
It is a little weird
that top of the RCMP isnt in uniform when giving testimony in such a
massive hearing.......her getup screams like it came from an image
consultant on how to soften her image. Certainly doesn't scream
professional at the highest office of law enforcement.
Richard Egbert
Looks like she is working undercover at Martha Stewarts house
Gul Dukkat
Lucki
knows she won't be needing her uniform for much longer. My guess is
she's feeling out what civilian life is going to be like.
Donald Gordon Mann
Is this lucki character wearing the new RCMP summer uniform ? How unprofessional.
Jim Bozzer
Commissioner
Lucki is despicable. Every second answer she is smiling, she thinks
this inquiry is a laughing matter. Why is she the only that thinks
everything is funny. She has no idea what is going on with the RCMP and doesn't want to take
the blame for anything as the boss and yet she blames everyone else.
Doesn't this action sound familiar.
Mark Thomas
Reply to @Jim Bozzer: She's not despicable. She just loyal to her despicable masters.
Jim Bozzer
Reply to @Jim Bozzer: And this is an official inquiry. Get in uniform like you should be. This is not a tea party.
Francis Keaton
Not
in uniform? What in hLL is that about? Is she appearing as an
individual or as the head of the RCMP. I think she just gave the
Inquiry the middle finger salute.
John Hammerman
Reply to @Francis Keaton:
Had the same thought,
she should be in her uniform.
Amelia McEwan
Why is the head of the RCMP not wearing her uniform and not have her hair off her shoulders?
Ron
MacCarthy
Reply to @Amelia McEwan: Optics I guess.
Vincent Furnier
Reply to @Amelia McEwan: SpongeBob: "And why aren't you in uniform?"
Ralph Kramden
Reply to @Ron
MacCarthy: Exactly what I reasoned...looking now like an innocent young
lady who could do no harm and would never,ever li-.
Michael Thompson
Reply to @Amelia
McEwan: Trudeau has instructed her to have a look that will deflect the
"hard" questions before they are asked. She will probably say Mother
Teresa was her aunt.
Larry Butter
I hope never to see her in uniform again...She takes no responsibility but places blame....
Mark Douglas
Reply to @Larry Butter: if you do, hopefully the lights will be off.
Phil Trecc
Reply to @Mark Douglas: Bahaha you win the internet today 😂
Bill Bauer
It looks as though the civilian attire Lucki is wearing is a sign that she is ready to move on.
John Plank
Reply to @Bill Bauer:
And that would be a good move....
Ronald Nobart
Reply to @Bill Bauer: Not soon enough for me.
Michael Thompson
Reply to @Bill Bauer: should take Trudeau, Blair & Mendicino with her.
steve silver
Google
images of Brenda Lucki ....every image of her in any official capacity
she has always been in uniform why the sudden change
Craig Herman
Reply to @steve silver:
She is playing the victim.
Richard Egbert
Reply to @steve silver: Menopause?
Elsie Simmons
Reply to @steve silver: psychological. she looks like just a regular citizen
Scottie MacNeil
Out of uniform while representing the RCMP in the biggest inquiry in RCMP history.
Total lack of respect towards both the RCMP and the VICTIMS FAMILIES!!!!
James Beam
Reply to @Scottie MacNeil:
Looks like lucki is representing lucki this time.
The first thing she's done that has any credibility.
Ron MacCarthy
Why is she testifying out of uniform...............................optics?
April Wong
Reply to @Ron MacCarthy: YUP
she's not just a uniform, she's a woman and a motherly figure
all spin as per Liberal optics 101
Kevin MacDonald
Notice she is not in uniform trying to look like one of us. She was advised to do that by her lawyer I bet.
Kevin MacDonald
Reply to @Kevin MacDonald: I am just a mother and a wife like all of you other females .
John Cash
Out of uniform to give her the appearance as a normal civilian....
Aaron Tait
Reply to @John Cash:
It’s a fail . A tent can’t coverup that incompetent bully .
Gill Newton
Reply to @John Cash:
I’m betting anyone commenting on her apparel is a former senior rcmp.
Zero perspective. Zero common sense.
Worries about her clothes instead of her lack of competence
Anna Greene
Reply to @John Cash: not professional at all.
Aaron Tait
Reply to @John Cash:
Clearly a fail . We see her.
John Hammerman
Reply to @Gill Newton:
As a professional, and as the head of the RCMP,
and being that it is a public inquiry as to what the RCMP did or did not do that,
She should be in her uniform. This is an official inquiry.
Anna Greene
Reply to @Gill
Newton: I am a retired officer from a force in Ontario. She is the
leader of the RCMP she should look and dress like one. Competence
aside, she should have that uniform on. She is being well paid. This
is her time to give evidence about her decisions and what was going on
at the time. In uniform!
Gill Newton
Reply to @Anna
Greene: in my view , your attitude is the problem with much of policing
in Canada. You worry about form over substance.
Gill Newton
Reply to @Anna Greene: and thank you for having served us.
Anna Greene
Reply to @Gill
Newton: I would expect the head of a police organization to look and act
like a leader. I also expect substance.
and God Bless the families 
Lucki said Canadians are "losing trust in their local RCMP." (The Canadian Press/Andrew Vaughan) 
Twenty-two
people died on April 18 and 19, 2020. Top row from left: Gina Goulet,
Dawn Gulenchyn, Jolene Oliver, Frank Gulenchyn, Sean McLeod, Alanna
Jenkins. Second row: John Zahl, Lisa McCully, Joey Webber, Heidi
Stevenson, Heather O'Brien and Jamie Blair. Third row from top: Kristen
Beaton, Lillian Campbell, Joanne Thomas, Peter Bond, Tom Bagley and Greg
Blair. Bottom row: Emily Tuck, Joy Bond, Corrie Ellison and Aaron Tuck.
(CBC) 
Lawyer
Michael Scott of Patterson Law, whose firm represents more than a
dozen families, questions RCMP Commissioner Brenda Lucki at the Mass
Casualty Commission inquiry into the mass murders in rural Nova Scotia
on April 18/19, 2020, in Halifax on Tuesday, August 23, 2022. Gabriel
Wortman, dressed as an RCMP officer and driving a replica police
cruiser, murdered 22 people. (The Canadian Press/Andrew Vaughan) 
After
police shot and killed the gunman at a gas station in Enfield, N.S.,
they found five firearms in his possession, three handguns and two
rifles. He obtained three of them in Houlton, Maine. (Mass Casualty Commission) 
Use to be we wanted police to be visible and seems now they want to be unseen.
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