Methinks it must be open season on Conservatives today N'esy Pas?
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After three years, Peter MacKay says he's finally paid off $1.7 M in leadership debts
Former U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, country singer George Canyon helped MacKay pay off debts
The Harper-era cabinet minister told CBC News he's proud to report that as of June, his campaign has paid off "every penny" it owed. He acknowledged it was a struggle.
"It was not easy, to say the least. It was a very heavy burden to carry after the result of the leadership. To be informed that we were that much in debt was a shock to me," he said.
MacKay's leadership race was one of the first held under a federal election law that gives candidates three years to raise enough donations to pay off campaign debts. If they don't, the consequences can include fines and even jail time.
MacKay said he faced a number of hurdles as he worked to pay off the debt, including the pandemic and having to compete for donations with provincial elections, a federal election and the 2022 Conservative leadership race.
MacKay said the fact that he's no longer engaged in politics also played a role.
"It's extremely difficult to raise money when you're not in the game, so to speak," he said. "You're not in elected office, you're not running for anything at that point. You're trying to clean up past debt."
MacKay considered running for office again in late 2020 after Erin O'Toole won the leadership. He ultimately announced he had made what he called a "difficult" decision not to run again in order to focus on his family and his full-time job as a lawyer.
U.S.
Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice chats with Peter MacKay, foreign
affairs minister at the time, before a meeting in Ottawa on February 23,
2007. (Fred Chartrand/Canadian Press)
MacKay turned for fundraising help to some famous figures in politics — including former prime ministers Stephen Harper and Brian Mulroney, Conservative Leader Pierre Poilievre, Alberta Premier Danielle Smith, Nova Scotia Premier Tim Houston and former U.S. secretary of state Condoleezza Rice. He even reached out to celebrated country singer George Canyon.
MacKay credits his former campaign team and the donors themselves for helping him wipe away the debt.
Still, it's clear the former cabinet minister — once widely viewed as the front-runner for the Conservative leadership — has mixed feelings about his last foray into politics.
MacKay 'disappointed' by leadership outcome
He said the "largest factor" behind the debt his campaign racked up was the decision by the Conservatives' leadership committee to pause the race in March 2020 and extend the deadline to sign up new members due to the pandemic.
"They sort of dropped that on us late in the third period," he said. "If I could use the hockey analogy, being told, 'OK, you know, the game is almost over. Oh, sorry, did we mention we're going to play a fourth period?'"
He later leaned on another sports metaphor.
"Moving the goalposts is one thing," he said. "Moving them to another stadium in a different time zone? I think it affected the outcome, sure."
MacKay would not say whether he feels that decision cost him the leadership.
"I don't want to be that guy who complains about the outcome," he said. "I'll leave that for others."
MacKay
watches the announcement of his party's new leader with his wife
Nazanin Afshin-Jam MacKay and son Kian in Ottawa on Aug. 23, 2020. (Justin Tang/The Canadian Press)
During his conversations with CBC News, MacKay himself asked whether he sounded bitter and insisted that's not the impression he wants to leave.
"I'm really not bitter," he said. "'Disappointed' is the word."
One of the co-chairs of the committee that made the decision to extend the race said there was no real alternative at the time. Party officials reported they were unable to stick to the original plan because of the challenges thrown up by the pandemic, said Dan Nowlan.
"It's disappointing that we had to extend the timeline but, honestly, we didn't have a choice," he said.
Nowlan said the committee tried to ensure the race wasn't extended one day longer than necessary.
MacKay says O'Toole's team never reached out
MacKay did say he was let down by the way he was treated after losing.
MacKay pointed to the way Brian Mulroney reached out to rival Joe Clark and his team after winning the Progressive Conservative leadership in 1983.
"That kind of magnanimity is critical. It's the ... glue that keeps the party together when you do that," he said. "When you don't, it's more frayed edges and the rot can then seep into the deck of the party."
There was no similar outreach after Erin O'Toole beat him in the 2020 leadership race, said MacKay.
But O'Toole's campaign manager for the leadership race said the suggestion the campaign never reached out to MacKay is "completely false."
O'Toole's team had "many conversations" with MacKay and told him he would be welcome to run as a candidate, said Fred DeLorey.
The campaign also helped MacKay with his fundraising efforts, he added.
"We all wish Peter MacKay nothing but the best and hope he finds peace with this loss," said DeLorey.
Despite the bruises and scars lingering from that race, MacKay said he doesn't regret his decision to run.
"No … I [saw] a potential opportunity to bring our party back to government," he said.
MacKay said there's a silver lining to his leadership loss: he's been able to spend much more time with his wife and three young children. He likely wouldn't have met his wife without his time in Ottawa, he added.
MacKay said he's focused on moving forward, not on whether he missed a shot at becoming prime minister.
"Do I regret never having had a chance to run for the top job?" he said. "I'm not going to let that be something that defines me."
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The RCMP says it is examining a claim that the campaign team for Conservative leadership candidate Peter MacKay stole confidential data from rival candidate Erin O'Toole.
"The RCMP is examining this matter carefully with all available information and will take appropriate actions as required," said a statement from the Mounties issued Monday.
Today, the Toronto Police Service confirmed that "an investigation into mischief in relation to the data is ongoing and we are working with colleagues from the RCMP."
O'Toole claimed Friday evening that MacKay campaign organizer Jamie Lall was involved in the "theft of confidential O'Toole campaign data and strategy," including "Zoom video conferences ... confidential campaign strategy video conferences" and recordings of video conferences with Conservative Party members.
According to a letter from O'Toole's campaign to the RCMP, OPP and the Toronto Police Service — obtained by CBC News and first reported on by the National Post — the O'Toole team claims it first discovered private information was stolen when Radio-Canada published a story on June 15 that contained an excerpt of O'Toole speaking with Quebec social conservatives on a video call.
What was the result?
Methinks its interesting that the former U.S. secretary of state Condoleezza Rice is permitted to play politics but the Chinese are not N'esy Pas?
Brian Paradis
Reply to David Amos
former is the key word think about it
David Amos
Reply to Brian Paradis
Trust that I did
Michael Murphy
Reply to David Amos
Maybe Hillary can donate to Trudeau next election, it's only fair
Derek Andrews
Reply to Michael Murphy
They didn't donate to his campaign.
Michael Murphy.
Reply to Derek Andrews
Campaign debt can only be paid with campaign money, so yes, they literally donated to his campaign, after the fact
David Amos
Reply to Michael Murphy
Why do you think he lost his position at Baker Mackenzie?
Derek Andrews
Reply to Michael Murphy
Campaign debt can only be paid with campaign money"
This isn't a party debt.
Michael Murphy
Reply to Derek Andrews
Right, it's his leadership campaign that owed money, not the CPC
Brian Paradis
Reply to David Amos
then a former donating to pay off the debt of a failed campaign means nothing?
David Amos
Reply to Derek Andrews
It was a VERY political debt ask his former law firm partner Marc Litt
Derek Andrews
Reply to David Amos
It was a VERY political debt"
So what?
Derek Andrews
Reply to Michael Murphy
It's not illegal.
Reinhold Luft
Reply to Michael Murphy
Hillary endorsed him last election so she kind of did.
David Amos
Reply to Derek Andrews
The U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice and her buddy MacKay were well aware of the lawsuits I filed in Massachusetts that caused me to come home and run for a seat in the 38th Parliament
Ken Wiberg
Reply to David Amos
The Chinese billionaire Zhang Bin had business applications in front of parliament when he gave the sitting PM cash for a ‘private visit audience’
MacKay, a private citizen, got money from a former politician, who is also a private citizen
David Amos.
Reply to Ken Wiberg
MacKay as Attorney General answered my lawsuit against the Crown in 2015
Ken Wiberg
Reply to David Amos
How exciting for you
David Amos
Reply to Ken Wiberg
Look out for my next lawsuits
Ken Wiberg
Reply to David Amos
If the lack of understanding of your OP, that I explained the difference of to you, is any indication of the basis, a restraining order may be the conclusion of it
David Amos
Reply to Ken Wiberg
Not in light of the fact that what I state is true
We may see Peter back as a minister in PP's government.
John VanHaverbeke
Reply to Buford Wilson
Get to the choppa, fishing trip is over like your career Pete!
Andy Davis
Reply to Buford Wilson
hahahahhahahhaha
and
hahahhahahhahaha
Good luck
Craig McMaster
Reply to Buford Wilson
Not likely.
Craig McMaster
Reply to Buford Wilson
Peter's retired and seems to be enjoying it.
David Amos
Reply to Buford Wilson
Surely you jest
Bob Long
I am MacKay, destroyer of parties.
David Amos
Reply to Bob Long
Bingo
Michael Murphy
All politics aside, why in the world would anyone donate to a politician's campaign after the fact?
Jerry Anderson
Reply to Michael Murphy
Trumpian style loyalty?
Bob Long
Reply to Michael Murphy
well, they do tend to get their 30 pieces of silver
Frank Blacklock
Reply to Michael Murphy
Good point. And why is it easier to lay off when they’re still in politics?
David Amos
Reply to Michael Murphy
Its not rocket science
carol e. kudla
Reply to Michael Murphy
expensive promises ?
donald fraser
amazing what is headline news these days
Ken Wiberg
Reply to donald fraser
Yet nothing of the Trudeau party government joining USA chemcorp
targeting Mexico sovereignty
Jim Dandy
Reply to donald fraser
My cats breath smells like cat food ;-)
Ken Wiberg
Reply to Jim Dandy
With Trudeau economic catastrophe, be pleased it isn’t the same for your parents
David Amos
Reply to Jim Dandy
I bet it smells fishy just like your name does to me
Michael Black
Awwww, poor Peter McKay. I wonder if his buddy, Steve, gave any of his
own money.
Reply to Michael Black
Dream on
Elron Hubbard
I always thought if Peter MacKay won the leadership race the Federal election would have been *much* different. I'm not sure if he would have won or not, but at least it would have been very close.
Unfortunately (or fortunately depending on your political stripe) the Conservatives continue to put forward the far right wing agenda. Had they went with Peter who is more of a centrist, my guess is that there are a lot of liberal votes he may have swayed. Then again, because he's not radical enough, they may have lost votes to those other fringe right wing parties. So who knows what the net might have been.
Anyway I never liked him for is betrayal of the PC party when they chose to amalgamate with the Alliance/Reform, though I do understand why he did it which of course was purely political (which I guess you could argue was his job).
Anyway the Conservatives have been struggling with the same problem for decades without solution, however I thought that MacKay at least had a fighting chance, but the Conservatives did as they have always done post Harper which is to continue to shoot themselves in the foot trying to appease the far right base...
I mean it's not rocket science, yes you can try all sorts of underhanded tricks to win, but fundamentally, the Party/Leader who most represents the values of all Canadians (well as modified by the electoral districting), is going to win. Conservatives have yet to figure out that most of Canada just isn't that far right regardless of how strongly they want to believe in it.
Ralph Linwood
Reply to Elron Hubbard
Exactly. The far right base is going to vote conservative anyway, not need to suck up to them. Try to steer the party more to the center and entice the more conservative liberal voters, that is the only chance
of forming a government.
David Amos
Reply to Elron Hubbard
I disagree
Nick Jung
Reply to David Amos
He elaborated on maultiple points. Care to share where exactly you disagree?
Nick Jung
Reply to Nick Jung
*multiple
David Amos
Reply to Nick Jung
"I always thought if Peter MacKay won the leadership race the Federal election would have been *much* different. I'm not sure if he would have won or not, but at least it would have been very close."
Jean-Guy Tremblay
With other people's money.... that's what's missing from this article.
Glad I could help the CBC get that clear.
Brian Paradis.
Reply to Jean-Guy Tremblay
politicians usually use other peoples money for campaigns LOL
TM elliston
Reply to Jean-Guy Tremblay
It was already clear to most of us. Glad you could figure it out for yourself.
Jim Dandy
Reply to Jean-Guy Tremblay
… yes, people are free do do whatever they want with their money.
Don Cameron
Reply to Jean-Guy Tremblay
Can you name a single political campaign which was NOT run with the help of other people's money?
Ken Wiberg
Reply to Jean-Guy Tremblay
The by-line?
Joyce Conley
Reply to Jean-Guy Tremblay
Like others have said, it is the way any leader gets the funds. Did you think Trudeau paid for it on his own or all others!
Not.
David Amos
Reply to Don Cameron
"Can you name a single political campaign which was NOT run with the help of other people's money?"
I ran 7 times and did not spend one thin dime of other people's money
It still puzzles me why this is news A failed leadership hopeful who
hasn't been in politics since 2015 pays his debt ?????
Joyce Conley
Reply to Brian Paradis
Do all of the other party leader hopefuls pay up their’s?
Name one, name them all, and how long did it take the others from all parties to pay their leadership hopeful debts, in the same time frame or longer?
David Amos
Reply to Joyce Conley
Good question
Chris Brown
poor baby, took him 3 years to pay off 1,7 million. All politicians are out of touch with reality and need to go.
Reinhold Luft
Reply to Chris Brown
all politicians need to go ? What's the alternative ?
Derek Andrews
Reply to Chris Brown
Anarchy?
Robert Joyce
Reply to Chris Brown
So, you favour a Putin or Assad style regime? Check
Jim Dandy
Reply to Derek Andrews
I grew out of that when I stopped listening to punk rock in the 70’s ;-)
David Amos
Reply to Jim Dandy
Now you play the wicked game correct?
Chris Brown
The bit where he says it's hard to get money when you are no longer politics is funny what he really means if you are in politics people are willing to pay money for favours
Robert Joyce
Reply to Bob Wessels
No, while you’re in politics donors get the political tax credit.
David Amos
Reply to Bob Wessels
Now they are simply settling political debts
Ken Wiberg
You wondering what this is a distraction from?
The Trudeau party is backing the American chemical industry targeting Mexico’s sovereignty opposing massively subsidized American government GMO corn
David Amos
Reply to Ken Wiberg
Oh My My
Jim Lamarche
MacKay would have been a much better leader of the CPC. Quite likely
leading the party to a victory in the next election.
Brian Paradis
Reply to Jim Lamarche
a donkey would be able to lead the party to victory over Trudeau
Jim Lamarche
Reply to Brian Paradis
That's giving your guy quite the nod lol.
Peter Mahoney
Reply to Jim Lamarche
MacKay is a fake conservative - a closet liberal - the country would
be the same tire fire under MacKay as JT.
Elron Hubbard
Reply to Brian Paradis
And yet the conservatives keep loosing and will continue to do so
unless they significantly change... telling about the candidates they
do elect to lead.
Brian Paradis
Reply to Elron Hubbard
Trudeau hasn't won a majority since 2015 and he is finished after
eight years wah wah
Jim Lamarche
Reply to Brian Paradis
Resentment politics is essentially yesterday's news and won't fly
here. Lots of bluster/bombast from our honourable leader of the
opposition that won't result in a win for him. Trudeau will step down
lowering the temperature and Chrystia Freeland will lead the party
into the next election.
David Amos
Reply to Jim Lamarche
I doubt it
Frank Blacklock
He could be a good fit for Liberal leader. They should recruit him.
Brian Paradis
Reply to Frank Blacklock
If they did I might vote Liberal as it is never while Trudeau is leader
David Amos
Reply to Brian Paradis
Yea Right
Peter Mahoney
Mackay lost because he's a fake conservative like Mulroney. The Conservative rank and file won't tolerate it any longer. To his credit, he never pretended to be anything but a closet Liberal.
They also will not long tolerate a leader that pretends to be conservative, then promptly sells out the base - especially when he loses anyway.
If you want to be a Liberal, run as a Liberal. If you want Liberals in charge, vote for them and embrace the ensuing tire fire - it's not a coincidence when it happens.
Peter Sheppard
Reply to Peter Mahoney
You just described exactly why the CPC will not form government for a VERY long time. The electorate will not elect the extremes theyve been seeing and hearing from conservatives lately. Yet they still don’t understand it evidently
Ralph Linwood
Reply to Peter Mahoney
Mulroney won two elections so maybe being a "fake" worked. The conservative base unfortunately contains a number of far right reformer types that should never have been brought into the main conservative party. After the CPCs next election loss with PP at the helm, they need to split up again and hopefully a moderate, centrist conservative party will have some electoral success.
Elron Hubbard
Reply to Peter Mahoney
Which is why they will never win. You basically just also described Harper one of the most successful Conservatives leaders in modern history. He had to be pretty centrist, and also reign in all the crackpot far right wing members with an iron fist.
The counter argument is that if they could tolerate him, they might have stood a chance of winning. However I agree with you, the recent past and current Conservative trajectory seems bent on failure.
Donna Johnson
Reply to Peter Sheppard
Extremists??? The Liberals are veering very far to the left these days. You think that is the preferable option?
Peter Sheppard
Reply to Donna Johnson
Well according to the results YES. But go ahead with your preferred guy. They love the opposition benches. Nobody can argue with data Donna.
David Amos
Reply to Peter Sheppard
Ditto
David Amos
Reply to Donna Johnson
Nope
Donna Johnson
Reply to Peter Sheppard
What data says Conservatives are extremists??
Peter Sheppard
Reply to Donna Johnson
You ought to read a little closer so you will know what was said my dear. “Extremest” was nowhere in my comments. I said extreme ideas, which some people have. Thats the problem with you lot, you can’t read details or understand trends. Lol
Bill Timberlake
Unlike the Orange menace in the US Peter pays off what he owes.
Eric Houghton
Reply to Bill Timberlake
Who cares
Pete Gingras
Reply to Bill Timberlake
Exactly. Why did the CBC even think this was a story?
Bill Timberlake
Reply to Pete Gingras
Well the people he never paid back do I imagine
David Amos
Reply to Eric Houghton
I do
Jason Freeman
'To be informed that we were in that much debt was a shock to me.'...
and this person thought they had the skills to be PM? You can't make
this stuff up.
Bill Timberlake
Reply to Jason Freeman
Wow debit creep you should ask the sitting PM about that and ask if
they have the skills to be PM..
Jason Freeman
Reply to Bill Timberlake
This article is about Mr Makays inability to manage money. But yes,
our current PM lacks these skills also.
Brian Paradis
Reply to Jason Freeman
it's about repaying a failed leadership campaign debt not his personal finances
Eric Houghton
Reply to Jason Freeman
“The budget will balance itself.” Remember that?
Michael Murphy
Reply to Eric Houghton
Trudeau "The commitment needs to be a commitment to grow the economy,
and the budget will balance itself."
O'Toole "We will grow the economy so that we can get back to balance
in a responsible and equitable way without cuts. That is our plan,'
Same thing, but it's only wrong when Trudeau says it
Jason Freeman
Reply to Brian Paradis
The head of any organization should always know the financial situation of that organization. Peter didn't and wasn't following a budget. Not leadership material.
Jason Freeman
Reply to Michael Murphy
O'toole has better speech writers...
David Amos
Reply to Jason Freeman
Nope The truth is his old PC Party members had had enough of the lawyer who destroyed their party in 2003
Alvin Smith
His budget didn't balance itself. He actually paid it off.
Bill Timberlake
Reply to Alvin Smith
Nice
Michael Murphy
Reply to Alvin Smith
So we just need to get Republican politicians to pay off Canada's debt
too and all will be good
Alvin Smith
Reply to Michael Murphy
Well, it certainly isn't going to balance itself isn't it? Growing
massivey every hour at this time.
Michael Murphy
Reply to Alvin Smith
Oh yes, I remember that quote;
"We will grow the economy so that we can get back to balance in a
responsible and equitable way without cuts. That is our plan,"
Oh wait, that was O'Toole
Jason Freeman
Reply to Michael Murphy
Awesome comment.
Ken Wiberg
Reply to Michael Murphy
So the budget didn’t balance itself because the Trudeau party also
trashed the economy
David Amos
Reply to Michael Murphy
Well put
Don Cameron
A former Conservative Party leadership candidate pays off his election
debts within the allotted time period, through fundraising.
Ok.
Pete Gingras
Reply to Don Cameron
Really makes you wonder what the point of this "story" is? What was
the Ceeb's motivation behind publishing it?
Alvin Smith
Reply to Pete Gingras
It's a deflection piece
David Amos
Reply to Alvin Smith
Kinda sorta
Nick Jung
Reply to Alvin Smith
Deflection from?
Dean Cahill
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It’s sad guys like him don’t become leaders, instead we pick drama teacher trust fund children
Michael Murphy
Reply to Dean Cahill
CPC picked O'Toole, you reap what you sow
Ryan Ironheart
Reply to Dean Cahill
It's sad guys like him sold out his party and morals to reformers (now borderline separatists)
Jason Freeman
Reply to Dean Cahill
You mean the guy who can't manage the money of one leadership hopefuls campaign, 'I was shocked when they told me how much debt we were in'? Mackay isn't smart enough to lead... neither is Trudeau
David Amos
Reply to Ryan Ironheart
Amen
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