David Raymond Amos @DavidRayAmos
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/nafta-canada-trump-trudeau-twitter-1.4807836
Trump warns Congress to keep out of NAFTA talks with Canada
'There is no political necessity to keep Canada in the new NAFTA deal,' U.S. president tweets
· CBC News · Posted: Sep 01, 2018 2:09 PM ET
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David R. Amos
Whereas everything in Heaven and Hell and even in the Circus call the US Congress and the governments of the other former 3 Amigos. Methinks these three quotes from the "News" today say enough and its truly amazing that I agree with all 3 statements of my political foes N'esy Pas?
"Remember, NAFTA was one of the WORST Trade Deals ever made. The U.S. lost thousands of businesses and millions of jobs. We were far better off before NAFTA - should never have been signed. Even the Vat Tax was not accounted for. We make new deal or go back to pre-NAFTA!"
"Both Republicans and Democrats have objected to a straight up bilateral deal with Mexico. Republican Senate Majority Whip John Cornyn was quoted by the American media on Wednesday saying that, without Canada, it would, "reduce the likelihood that it would actually be approved."
"A spokesperson for the prime minister was asked for comment on the threats, but declined to address them directly.
"As we've said all week, we're working toward a modernized NAFTA, a modernized NAFTA that will be good for Canada and the middle class," said Cameron Ahmad. "We will only sign a good deal and we will not negotiate in public."
Under NAFTA's withdrawal rules, Trump must give six months' notice to the leaders of Canada and Mexico, the other stakeholders in the current pact, for the U.S. to pull out. He also must seek the support of Congress to pass such a change."
Kent Right
David R. Amos
@Kent Right Methinks CBC
revealed this week byway of a former deputy foreign minister that
Mexico made a strategic decision for the benefit of their incoming
president N'esy Pas?
https://www.cbc.ca/radio/asithappens/as-it-happens-thursday-edition-1.4804739/a-serious-mistake-mexico-was-wrong-to-abandon-canada-in-nafta-talks-says-ex-minister-1.4805330
"I think, and this is probably the most unfortunate part of all of this, that this was done for political expediency by the current Mexican president and his administration to be able to be the one to sign the agreement rather than the new government.
I think this was also, by the way, politically expedient for the new government because they wouldn't have to bear the political cost for signing an agreement with which they had really not been directly involved or participated in most of the negotiations.
But that to me is a serious mistake. I don't think that this agreement, trilaterally, would be ready for signature to the legislative branches of the three countries by Friday."
https://www.cbc.ca/radio/asithappens/as-it-happens-thursday-edition-1.4804739/a-serious-mistake-mexico-was-wrong-to-abandon-canada-in-nafta-talks-says-ex-minister-1.4805330
"I think, and this is probably the most unfortunate part of all of this, that this was done for political expediency by the current Mexican president and his administration to be able to be the one to sign the agreement rather than the new government.
I think this was also, by the way, politically expedient for the new government because they wouldn't have to bear the political cost for signing an agreement with which they had really not been directly involved or participated in most of the negotiations.
But that to me is a serious mistake. I don't think that this agreement, trilaterally, would be ready for signature to the legislative branches of the three countries by Friday."
Stan Cox
@Kent Right
The USA team?
They didn't have any choice when Canada called the talks off on Friday.
The USA team?
They didn't have any choice when Canada called the talks off on Friday.
David R. Amos
@Kent Right Methinks if
folks truly care about NAFTA etc. I hope they Google the following and
ask their MPs and MLAs some serious questions ASAP N'esy Pas?
trump cohen david amos nafta fatca tpp
and
Robert Lighthizer David Amos
trump cohen david amos nafta fatca tpp
and
Robert Lighthizer David Amos
Michele McLean
@Kent Right
Yes - because it's totally arbitrary and intended to push Canada into accepting a bad deal.
Everyone has to remember that we already have a deal, and a pretty good one - NAFTA.
Yes, it wouldn't hurt to modernize it, but not at any cost.
Ultimately Trump (not Congress, not Canada) is the one who wants/needs NAFTA changed.
And neither Canada nor Congress will want to sacrifice NAFTA to satisfy the bully.
Yes - because it's totally arbitrary and intended to push Canada into accepting a bad deal.
Everyone has to remember that we already have a deal, and a pretty good one - NAFTA.
Yes, it wouldn't hurt to modernize it, but not at any cost.
Ultimately Trump (not Congress, not Canada) is the one who wants/needs NAFTA changed.
And neither Canada nor Congress will want to sacrifice NAFTA to satisfy the bully.
David R. Amos
@Stan Cox True
Kent Right
@Stan Cox
Has the talks gone on 24/7 up to now ? Now they have not they have been talking for 1 year but not 365 days
Has the talks gone on 24/7 up to now ? Now they have not they have been talking for 1 year but not 365 days
Kent Right
@David R. Amos
did we have control over it? USA cuts a deal with the defeated Mexican president and not the new elected president
Who just by chance comes to power on DEC 1 the same day the Mexican deal come into effect
If congress passes it
did we have control over it? USA cuts a deal with the defeated Mexican president and not the new elected president
Who just by chance comes to power on DEC 1 the same day the Mexican deal come into effect
If congress passes it
David R. Amos
@Kent Right Methinks that has already been explained within my first reply N'esy Pas?
James Rockford - ( Spaceman )
Trump cannot withdraw from NAFTA, only congress can.
David R. Amos
@James Rockford - ( Spaceman )
Methinks that some legal minds disagree about Trump and NAFTA but the
plot thickens within the Circus called the US Congress N'esy Pas?
Sandy Gillis
@Adam Smith
Sure, people would get a choice, at least for a little while. But, of
course, the US dairy industry gets billions every year in subsidies, and
that bovine growth hormone means they can pump out plenty of chemically
infused, cancer causing milk every year. They can massively undercut
Canadian suppliers, even if supply management is gone, due to those
subsidies and chemicals. Next thing you know, the Canadian farms are out
of business and you're stuck with Cancer Milk A or Cancer Milk B as
your choices.
James Rockford - ( Spaceman )
@David R. Amos
Nous vivons à une époque intéressante
Nous vivons à une époque intéressante
Johnny Horton
@Sandy Gillis
If consumers are stipid enough to buy the cheap cancer milk so be it
Enough of 5id holding hands and protecting society, it’s time people stand up for themselves and take their own responsibility and government get out of lives.
If consumers are stipid enough to buy the cheap cancer milk so be it
Enough of 5id holding hands and protecting society, it’s time people stand up for themselves and take their own responsibility and government get out of lives.
David R. Amos
@James Rockford - ( Spaceman ) Nous vivons à une époque intéressante
Methinks my files already prove that I do. I trust that you know Trudeau and Trump both know my name is on another ballot for the 6th time If not then you do now N'esy Pas?
https://www.scribd.com/document/2619437/CROSS-BORDER
Methinks my files already prove that I do. I trust that you know Trudeau and Trump both know my name is on another ballot for the 6th time If not then you do now N'esy Pas?
https://www.scribd.com/document/2619437/CROSS-BORDER
James Rockford - ( Spaceman )
@Jamie Robins
McCain was only one senator, 13 other Republican senators from 12 states also opposed it.
McCain was only one senator, 13 other Republican senators from 12 states also opposed it.
David R. Amos
@James Rockford - ( Spaceman ) "McCain was only one senator"
Methinks you will enjoy reading page 25 of this file N'esy Pas?
https://www.scribd.com/doc/2718120/integrity-yea-right
Methinks you will enjoy reading page 25 of this file N'esy Pas?
https://www.scribd.com/doc/2718120/integrity-yea-right
Andrew Hebda (NS)
@James Rockford - ( Spaceman )
First he threatens his allies, then he threatens Congress... Can someone tell this POTUS that this is not one of his second-rate reality shows, and he cannp0t threaten to fire all those who do not kiss his ring.
Perhaps it is time for him to submit to an evaluation by a competent psychologist or even physician to determine if he is fit to be playing this role any more.. One begins to wonder...
First he threatens his allies, then he threatens Congress... Can someone tell this POTUS that this is not one of his second-rate reality shows, and he cannp0t threaten to fire all those who do not kiss his ring.
Perhaps it is time for him to submit to an evaluation by a competent psychologist or even physician to determine if he is fit to be playing this role any more.. One begins to wonder...
James Rockford - ( Spaceman )
@Johnny Horton
100% wrong. It's governments job to look after it's citizens and help them promote business.
100% wrong. It's governments job to look after it's citizens and help them promote business.
David R. Amos
@James Rockford - ( Spaceman ) I concur
David R. Amos
@Andrew Hebda (NS) Methinks as President he has already certified himself as being a "Stable Genius" N'esy Pas?
Johnny Horton
@James Rockford - ( Spaceman )
No, it’s the consumers job in a capitalist society to be educated on the productand do the ethical thing,
But instead we abdicated our responsibility to be able to buy the cheapest thing so we can just buy more stuff.
It’s not the government job, it is ours.
No, it’s the consumers job in a capitalist society to be educated on the productand do the ethical thing,
But instead we abdicated our responsibility to be able to buy the cheapest thing so we can just buy more stuff.
It’s not the government job, it is ours.
David R. Amos
@Johnny Horton Methinks far too many Rhodes Scholars worship the wacky old Oxford dude Adam Smith N'esy Pas?
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David R. Amos
@david mccaig Methinks we are about to be buried by about 20 of your comments in a row N'esy Pas?
Johnny Horton
@David R. Amos
Nit really, capitalism is the perfect system. It’s the people thst are nit, and who see nit doing their jobs as ethical consumers. Instead just letting and expecting the government to do it for them. As they hold hands with their lobbyist pals.
Nit really, capitalism is the perfect system. It’s the people thst are nit, and who see nit doing their jobs as ethical consumers. Instead just letting and expecting the government to do it for them. As they hold hands with their lobbyist pals.
David R. Amos
@Johnny Horton FYI I am a
Capitalist Methinks many political animals who are my foe would be
amazed that I agree with a lot that the sneaky political lawyer Maxime
Bernier says. However the truth is Spaceman is correct. It is the
government's job. They are duly elected and well paid by all of us to
serve and protect all of us be we capitalists or socialists or smart as
whip or as dumb as post N'esy Pas?
Moira Wilkinson
@david mccaig plus, the first sitting president to be, ‘’ un- invited’ to an American heto’s Funeral.
Johnny Horton
@Moira Wilkinson
You have a weird definition of hero,
Torturers aren’t heroes.
You have a weird definition of hero,
Torturers aren’t heroes.
David R. Amos
@Johnny Horton True
James Rockford - ( Spaceman )
@Johnny Horton
You misunderstand.
" The central purpose of government in a democracy is to be the role model for, and protector of, equality and freedom and our associated human rights. For the first, government leaders are social servants, since through completing their specific responsibilities they serve society and the people. "
http://www.civiced.org/pdfs/books/ElementsOfDemocracy/Elements_Subsection3.pdf
You misunderstand.
" The central purpose of government in a democracy is to be the role model for, and protector of, equality and freedom and our associated human rights. For the first, government leaders are social servants, since through completing their specific responsibilities they serve society and the people. "
http://www.civiced.org/pdfs/books/ElementsOfDemocracy/Elements_Subsection3.pdf
David R. Amos
@James Rockford - ( Spaceman )
Methinks I just said the same thing in simple Maritime type lingo with a
bit of the bard and a touch of Chiac to tease my French Amigos N'esy
Pas?
James Rockford - ( Spaceman )
@David R. Amos
Oui
Oui
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David R. Amos
@James Rockford - ( Spaceman )
Methinks you likely know why I blog my comment as I post them Lawyers
call it the spirit of full disclosure which I am practicing right now
because it things go par for the course the top threads will go "Poof"
in short order N'esy Pas?
Johnny Horton
@James Rockford - ( Spaceman )
Capitalism and democracy are diametrically oppseD concepts
Capitalism and democracy are diametrically oppseD concepts
David R. Amos
@Johnny Horton Methinks the
Spaceman may know what planet you come from but trust that it ain't the
one I was born and raised on N'esy Pas?
James Rockford - ( Spaceman )
@Johnny Horton
lol there's a lot of truth in that.
lol there's a lot of truth in that.
David R. Amos
@James Rockford - ( Spaceman ) "lol there's a lot of truth in that."
Methinks its good for the soul when the truth makes you laugh N'esy Pas?
I am confused however. There a few things I know for sure. I know for a fact I am the one and only David Raymond Amos who runs for public office and enjoys suing lawyers. That is my photo in younger days but that is not my dog. I confess that I do have a lot of fun with puns. Yet I am as serious as a heart attack when it comes to dealing with the corruption within the wonderfully mythical things called democracies or republics and their malevolent justice systems. CBC has blocked two of my comments within this thread thus far for no ethical reason whatsoever and this may become the third. On the other hand I have heard of other James Rockfords and Johnny Hortons I bet you dudes have too. Hence I must ask who is fooling with who? Methinks its CBC fooling us and you are wise to it so you don't use your real names N'esy Pas?
Food for thought. I have read that some legal minds believe that Trump can pull out of NAFTA without the blessings of Congress. However it would take 6 month to do and then many lawsuits would begin in many States. I have no doubt by the time those lawsuits concluded Trump would be our of oce and the next President would reverse all that he did.
NAFTA Article 2205: “A party may withdraw from this agreement six months after it provides written notice of withdrawal to the other parties. If a party withdraws, the agreement shall remain in force for the remaining parties.”
Methinks the Fat Lady is far from singing any tune about NAFTA N'esy Pas?
Methinks its good for the soul when the truth makes you laugh N'esy Pas?
I am confused however. There a few things I know for sure. I know for a fact I am the one and only David Raymond Amos who runs for public office and enjoys suing lawyers. That is my photo in younger days but that is not my dog. I confess that I do have a lot of fun with puns. Yet I am as serious as a heart attack when it comes to dealing with the corruption within the wonderfully mythical things called democracies or republics and their malevolent justice systems. CBC has blocked two of my comments within this thread thus far for no ethical reason whatsoever and this may become the third. On the other hand I have heard of other James Rockfords and Johnny Hortons I bet you dudes have too. Hence I must ask who is fooling with who? Methinks its CBC fooling us and you are wise to it so you don't use your real names N'esy Pas?
Johnny Horton
@David R. Amos
We come from the exact same planet. It’s really only been the last century or so, we’ve needed government oversight in every aspect of our lives. Snd thst so called democracy being decided by like 40 percent of the population and that’s only of those thst voted.
You can’t have consumers making the tough ethical decisions, when you have a small minority leading the democracy sets policy instead for all consumers.
The two don’t work together. And people just don’t get the real power is in their consumerism, if they’d just do their duty.
We come from the exact same planet. It’s really only been the last century or so, we’ve needed government oversight in every aspect of our lives. Snd thst so called democracy being decided by like 40 percent of the population and that’s only of those thst voted.
You can’t have consumers making the tough ethical decisions, when you have a small minority leading the democracy sets policy instead for all consumers.
The two don’t work together. And people just don’t get the real power is in their consumerism, if they’d just do their duty.
David R. Amos
@Johnny Horton Governments
are as old as history. Methinks the Christian Son of God did not get
fair trial after he upset a bunch of capitalists and their tables when
he caught them making deals in a Temple N'esy Pas?
Edward (E) Merij
NAFTA is ultimately failing
for Canada on the issues of farm supply-management (eggs, dairy) and
auto manufacturing -- both of which protect Central Canada (Southern
Ontario and Southern Quebec(.
So, again, Canada's resource rich hinterlands are forced to suffer so life can be made better for Central Canada.
You know, this happened once before. Britain, resource poor but manufacturing rich, with a high population, like Central Canada, was exploiting the American colonies -- like the Canadian hinterland, America was resource rich, but starved of manufacturing and population. Starved and stymied by Britain, the way Central Canada starves and stymies the rest of Canada.
The year was 1776.
We know what happened next.
So, again, Canada's resource rich hinterlands are forced to suffer so life can be made better for Central Canada.
You know, this happened once before. Britain, resource poor but manufacturing rich, with a high population, like Central Canada, was exploiting the American colonies -- like the Canadian hinterland, America was resource rich, but starved of manufacturing and population. Starved and stymied by Britain, the way Central Canada starves and stymies the rest of Canada.
The year was 1776.
We know what happened next.
Johnny Horton
@David R. Amos
Democratic governments haven’t been around that lon* in the grand sch:3 of things. And even the romans didn’t micro manage every aspect of their citizens ,Ives like our government does.
Democratic governments haven’t been around that lon* in the grand sch:3 of things. And even the romans didn’t micro manage every aspect of their citizens ,Ives like our government does.
James Rockford - ( Spaceman )
@Edward (E) Merij
lol please, that is so pathetic. You're totally out to lunch.
The largest dairy farm in Canada is in Chilliwack B.C. Alberta has 523 farms. Saskatchewan has 160 farms, Manitoba has 282 farms, Nova Scotia 213 ... you're ok with putting them all out of business just so trump can dump cheap hormone laced milk into the Canadian market.
Dummkopf !
lol please, that is so pathetic. You're totally out to lunch.
The largest dairy farm in Canada is in Chilliwack B.C. Alberta has 523 farms. Saskatchewan has 160 farms, Manitoba has 282 farms, Nova Scotia 213 ... you're ok with putting them all out of business just so trump can dump cheap hormone laced milk into the Canadian market.
Dummkopf !
David R. Amos
@Edward (E) Merij Methinks
you should Google "Fundy Royal Debate" and hear me explain my take on
Free Trade and Dairy Farms to the folks in Fundy while I ran in the
election of the 42nd Parliament N'esy Pas?
James Rockford - ( Spaceman )
@Edward (E) Merij
What "suffering" is happening in hinterland, wherever that is ?
Edward (E) Merij
What "suffering" is happening in hinterland, wherever that is ?
Edward (E) Merij
I hope this spells the end of
the Southern Onatario auto industry and that millions around Toronto
are thrown out if work. They will then be forced to leave their
comfortable, government-protected lives in Central Canada and move out
to the Canadian hinterland to find work.
David R. Amos
@Edward (E) Merij WOW are you nasty N'esy Pas?
David R. Amos
@James Rockford - ( Spaceman
) FYI Edward (E) Merij Posted this mere minutes ago "I hope this spells
the end of the Southern Onatario auto industry and that millions around
Toronto are thrown out if work. They will then be forced to leave their
comfortable, government-protected lives in Central Canada and move out
to the Canadian hinterland to find work."
Methinks he has it in for more than just the Dairy Farmers and a lot of them do work in the hinterlands N'esy Pas?
Methinks he has it in for more than just the Dairy Farmers and a lot of them do work in the hinterlands N'esy Pas?
James Rockford - ( Spaceman )
@David R. Amos
Just a whiny westerner who thinks that Canada somehow owes them something.
The Canadian economy depends on different industries from every province.
Just a whiny westerner who thinks that Canada somehow owes them something.
The Canadian economy depends on different industries from every province.
David R. Amos
@Johnny Horton Methinks you
should talk to the ghosts of the Chiefs of the Five Nations whom Ben
Franklin sought counsel from as he and the Boyz penned the Yankee
Constitution for their republic and planned their rebellion from our
democracy N'esy Pas?
David R. Amos
@James Rockford - ( Spaceman )
YUP Methinks he would not dare to argue in person a bunch of
hardworking farmers, woodsmen and fishermen I know in the Maritimes or
mean old me either N'esy Pas?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-cFOKT6TlSE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-cFOKT6TlSE
Johnny Horton
@David R. Amos
Sounds like democracy failing to me. Thanks for proving my point,
Sounds like democracy failing to me. Thanks for proving my point,
David R. Amos
@Johnny Horton Methinks as
you use a fine singer's name and make no point to prove or disprove you
ignore the evidence of my work in real life. Once you are out of hot
air you claim a victory just like Trump does N'esy Pas?
Floyd Robertson
@James Rockford - ( Spaceman )
Does Congress know that?
Does Congress know that?
Johnny Horton
@David R. Amos
Well you rand loss for office, so clearly your stance was rejected.
Well you rand loss for office, so clearly your stance was rejected.
mo bennett
@James Rockford - ( Spaceman ) 45's not that smart to be able to figure that out.
David R. Amos
@Floyd Robertson Does Congress know that?
Food for thought. I have read that some legal minds believe that Trump can pull out of NAFTA without the blessings of Congress. However it would take 6 month to do and then many lawsuits would begin in many States. I have no doubt by the time those lawsuits concluded Trump would be our of oce and the next President would reverse all that he did.
NAFTA Article 2205: “A party may withdraw from this agreement six months after it provides written notice of withdrawal to the other parties. If a party withdraws, the agreement shall remain in force for the remaining parties.”
Methinks the Fat Lady is far from singing any tune about NAFTA N'esy Pas?
Matt Thuaii
@Steve Sax
By voting to hose Canada they are voting against American jobs. The problem is Americans have been convinced otherwise. Trump is beginning to remind me of that Iraqi spokesman during the last US invasion...
...with explosions and fire in the background...”...no, there is no invasion. There are no US planes here. Everything is going great.”
By voting to hose Canada they are voting against American jobs. The problem is Americans have been convinced otherwise. Trump is beginning to remind me of that Iraqi spokesman during the last US invasion...
...with explosions and fire in the background...”...no, there is no invasion. There are no US planes here. Everything is going great.”
Matt Thuaii
@Paul MacDonald
He just doesn’t want adults in the room. As usual he’s hoping tantrums will win the day...
...unfortunately for him Canada is currents helmed by “cry-it-out” parents.
He just doesn’t want adults in the room. As usual he’s hoping tantrums will win the day...
...unfortunately for him Canada is currents helmed by “cry-it-out” parents.
David R. Amos
@Johnny Horton "Well you rand loss for office, so clearly your stance was rejected."
So you say
Methinks I should say that by the way many folks know that I am on the ballot in Fundy again N'esy Pas?
This is from a story that appeared in the Kings County Record June 22, 2004
The Unconventional Candidate
By Gisele McKnight
"FUNDY—He has a pack of cigarettes in his shirt pocket, a chain on his wallet, a beard at least a foot long, 60 motorcycles and a cell phone that rings to the tune of "Yankee Doodle."
Meet the latest addition to the Fundy ballot—David Amos. The independent candidate lives in Milton, Massachusetts with his wife and two children, but his place of residence does not stop him from
running for office in Canada."
"Amos, 52, is running for political office because of his dissatisfaction with politicians. "I've become aware of much corruption involving our two countries," he said. "The only way to fix corruption is in the political forum."
"What he's fighting for is the discussion of issues – tainted blood, the exploitation of the Maritimes' gas and oil reserves and NAFTA, to name a few.
"The political issues in the Maritimes involve the three Fs – fishing, farming and forestry, but they forget foreign issues," he said. "I'm death on NAFTA, the back room deals and free trade. I say chuck it (NAFTA) out the window.
NAFTA is the North American Free Trade Agreement which allows an easier flow of goods between Canada, the United States and Mexico."
So you say
Methinks I should say that by the way many folks know that I am on the ballot in Fundy again N'esy Pas?
This is from a story that appeared in the Kings County Record June 22, 2004
The Unconventional Candidate
By Gisele McKnight
"FUNDY—He has a pack of cigarettes in his shirt pocket, a chain on his wallet, a beard at least a foot long, 60 motorcycles and a cell phone that rings to the tune of "Yankee Doodle."
Meet the latest addition to the Fundy ballot—David Amos. The independent candidate lives in Milton, Massachusetts with his wife and two children, but his place of residence does not stop him from
running for office in Canada."
"Amos, 52, is running for political office because of his dissatisfaction with politicians. "I've become aware of much corruption involving our two countries," he said. "The only way to fix corruption is in the political forum."
"What he's fighting for is the discussion of issues – tainted blood, the exploitation of the Maritimes' gas and oil reserves and NAFTA, to name a few.
"The political issues in the Maritimes involve the three Fs – fishing, farming and forestry, but they forget foreign issues," he said. "I'm death on NAFTA, the back room deals and free trade. I say chuck it (NAFTA) out the window.
NAFTA is the North American Free Trade Agreement which allows an easier flow of goods between Canada, the United States and Mexico."
David R. Amos
@mo bennett "45's not that smart to be able to figure that out."
YO MO We agree once again Methinks we should have coffee sometime and discuss what else we may have in common N'esy Pas?
YO MO We agree once again Methinks we should have coffee sometime and discuss what else we may have in common N'esy Pas?
Johnny Horton
@David R. Amos
And you’ll lose again, and yet again still claim you speak and represent the common man and woman.
Which you do not. You are as bad as Charles Leblanc.
And you’ll lose again, and yet again still claim you speak and represent the common man and woman.
Which you do not. You are as bad as Charles Leblanc.
Al Jamison
There is no Wall, NK still
has their nukes, those 11 million Mexicans are still there, and Trump
wasted $300K USD on two women who didn't keep quiet.
Why should anyone believe him now?
Why should anyone believe him now?
David R. Amos
@Al Jamison Well Put Sir
David R. Amos
@Sandy Gillis "Wow, what else
is different in that parallel dimension where you can see what happened
if Clinton won the election?"
Methinks the teacher in you should check history then bear it mind that it has a bad habit of repeating itself and you will have your answer. While you are at why not Google Clinton Tainted Blood? A lot of Canadians suffered and died over that Yankee malice and nobody went to jail yet N'esy Pas?
Methinks the teacher in you should check history then bear it mind that it has a bad habit of repeating itself and you will have your answer. While you are at why not Google Clinton Tainted Blood? A lot of Canadians suffered and died over that Yankee malice and nobody went to jail yet N'esy Pas?
Sandy Gillis
@David R. Amos
Or maybe the statistician in me might check reality and see that anyone who thinks a possibility is a certainty is a fool. Clinton may have started a war, or she may not have. Trump hasn't yet started a war, but he very well could. Trying to gloss over Trump's many failings by playing pretend is just silly.
Or maybe the statistician in me might check reality and see that anyone who thinks a possibility is a certainty is a fool. Clinton may have started a war, or she may not have. Trump hasn't yet started a war, but he very well could. Trying to gloss over Trump's many failings by playing pretend is just silly.
Sandy Gillis
@Johnny Horton
Wow, nothing like doubling down on ridiculous. Trump trashed the Iran deal (at least from the US side of it) because it was an Obama deal. It doesn't make any reasonable sense to think that Clinton would have ditched the deal, which would mean there would have been no reason to be at war with Iran.
Wow, nothing like doubling down on ridiculous. Trump trashed the Iran deal (at least from the US side of it) because it was an Obama deal. It doesn't make any reasonable sense to think that Clinton would have ditched the deal, which would mean there would have been no reason to be at war with Iran.
David R. Amos
@Sandy Gillis Remember what
Hillary said of Libya and that evil laugh? How are ya doing with your
Conscience and Tainted Blood? Methinks there is nothing "Pretend Silly"
there N'esy Pas?
David R. Amos
@Sandy Gillis "Wow, nothing like doubling down on ridiculous"
Methinks an anarchist by any other name is still just a kid still in school N'esy Pas?
Methinks an anarchist by any other name is still just a kid still in school N'esy Pas?
Sandy Gillis
@David R. Amos
We all know Clinton had no qualms about killing people around the world, I'm not arguing that. We also know that Trump has no problem with it. Clinton didn't win the election, so making dire predictions about the state of the world due to her evil leadership is just that, pretend and silly. She may have started a war, or she may not have. It seems highly unlikely that she would have started a war with Iran, as @Johnny Horton seems to was a certainty.
"Methinks an anarchist by any other name is still just a kid still in school N'esy Pas?"
I don't even know where to begin trying to figure out what you think this means. Is it supposed to be some poorly written metaphor? Who's supposed to be the anarchist? Clinton? That doesn't make any sense. And who's the kid in school?
We all know Clinton had no qualms about killing people around the world, I'm not arguing that. We also know that Trump has no problem with it. Clinton didn't win the election, so making dire predictions about the state of the world due to her evil leadership is just that, pretend and silly. She may have started a war, or she may not have. It seems highly unlikely that she would have started a war with Iran, as @Johnny Horton seems to was a certainty.
"Methinks an anarchist by any other name is still just a kid still in school N'esy Pas?"
I don't even know where to begin trying to figure out what you think this means. Is it supposed to be some poorly written metaphor? Who's supposed to be the anarchist? Clinton? That doesn't make any sense. And who's the kid in school?
David R. Amos
@Sandy Gillis Remember Johnny Horton the kid you were arguing?
DUHHHH????
DUHHHH????
Katy Rose
@Sandy Gillis
Check out Encyclopedia Dramatica on this guy. It will explain everything.
Check out Encyclopedia Dramatica on this guy. It will explain everything.
David R. Amos
@Katy Rose Please do and read my lawsuit in its entirety
David R. Amos
@Katy Rose Methinks you
should also read the emails I sent to Jerry Dias, the president of
Unifor and Hassan Yussuff, the president of the Canadian Labour Congress
since I ran in the election of the 42nd Parliament while suing the
Crown As you well know they ca be easily found on the Internet N'esy
Pas?
Johnny Horton
@David R. Amos
Yea you really rocked that 42Nd election, with your 44 votes won.
Yea you really rocked that 42Nd election, with your 44 votes won.
robert williams
So Trump is telling Congress
not to interfere when is they who under their Constitution make the
decision on NAFTA. Trump is sounding more and more like a Dictator.
Graham Greene
@robert williams
. . . and a fool.
. . . and a fool.
Bob Horton
@Graham Greene
More fool than dictator
More fool than dictator
@Bob Horton
..........Meanwhile trudeau is acting like a little lost child - seeking
advice from grown ups because he hasn't a clue what to do.
David R. Amos
@robert williams "Trump is sounding more and more like a Dictator"
Methinks many would agree that Trump is sounding more and more desperate because he is about to lose control of Congress N'esy Pas?
Methinks many would agree that Trump is sounding more and more desperate because he is about to lose control of Congress N'esy Pas?
David R. Amos
@Edward McNichol Methinks the grin on Mulroney tells us all a wicked tale about what a comical Circus this truly is N'esy Pas?
Jim Palmer
@robert williams
"Trump is sounding more and more like a Dictator"
Little donnie is the epitome of a 'wannabe'.
Trouble is, he just isn't smart enough to pull it off.
"Trump is sounding more and more like a Dictator"
Little donnie is the epitome of a 'wannabe'.
Trouble is, he just isn't smart enough to pull it off.
David R. Amos
@Jim Palmer "Trouble is, he just isn't smart enough to pull it off."
Methinks the not so "Stable Genius" who is the latest duly elected ringmaster of the US Congress has done an amazing job of of overseeing the Circus thus far N'esy Pas?
Methinks the not so "Stable Genius" who is the latest duly elected ringmaster of the US Congress has done an amazing job of of overseeing the Circus thus far N'esy Pas?
Gryphon Hobbes
@David R. Amos methinks you don't think
Luke Thomas
If Canada is left out of the
free trade agreement, The Trade Agreement will need to be renamed to:
"Southern North American Freetrade Union", or SNAFU for short :)
Floyd Robertson
@Luke Thomas
cute.
cute.
David R. Amos
@Floyd Robertson Yes it was It made me chuckle
Hugh MacDonald
Those that are the loudest in their threats are the weakest in their actions.
Edward McNichol
@Hugh MacDonald ............I'm sure that was meant to be profound but it's meaningless.
@Hugh MacDonald YUP
David R. Amos
@Edward McNichol Methinks some folks may have that opinion of your opinion N'esy Pas?
Jim Palmer
@Edward McNichol
'profoundness' lost on you, Eddie ?
That's OK, Little donnie loves you.
'profoundness' lost on you, Eddie ?
That's OK, Little donnie loves you.
David R. Amos
@Jim Palmer Methinks Trudeau The Younger loves you more N'esy Pas?
Chantal LeBouthi
Trump want Canada to kneel for him like we are some kind of 3 world country
Never never never will Canada be afraid or scare for such puppet
Never never never will Canada be afraid or scare for such puppet
Troy Mann
@Robert Cummings
So if you aren't well off what puts you in a position to advise Canada on economics when you can't get your own financial prosperity in order?
So if you aren't well off what puts you in a position to advise Canada on economics when you can't get your own financial prosperity in order?
David R. Amos
@Troy Mann Methinks you just said a mouthful N'esy Pas?
Chris Martin
@David R. Amos perhaps you
should learn French instead of pretending....it's "N'est Pas....but who
really cares about a founding peoples language in this country...as long
as you get buck a beer
David R. Amos
@Chris Martin FYI I have
never had a beer in my life however I suspect you have drank enough for
both of us. Methinks my French friends should not allow me near the
whiskey if you snobby Anglos try to correct my Chiac again N'esy Pas?
Patricia Henderson
@David R. Amos I have never
before got personal with any poster on this board--but be aware that
your two always-included phrases are BORING. Do us all a favour and
drop them & just write what you have to say.
David R. Amos
@Patricia Henderson Methinks
you should tell your equally snobby Anglo friends I don't care what you
think of my "two always-included phrases" if you can't understand what
was posted between them N'esy Pas?
Michele McLean
@Chris Martin
And his use of it is so annoying, I now automatically ignore every one of his posts, even though as I recall, he sometimes made good points.
Still, lots of posters make good points - I'm not going to waste my time on one that also regularly annoys.
Trump is enough of an annoyance all on his own.
And his use of it is so annoying, I now automatically ignore every one of his posts, even though as I recall, he sometimes made good points.
Still, lots of posters make good points - I'm not going to waste my time on one that also regularly annoys.
Trump is enough of an annoyance all on his own.
Stephanie Roy
I would rather Canada be left out of a deal with the U.S. than cower to Trump's demands.
David R. Amos
@Stephanie Roy Me Too
Michele McLean
@David R. Amos
Gets a positive vote just for having dropped that silly post-ender.
But if I see anymore, you're back on full ignore - and permanently.
Gets a positive vote just for having dropped that silly post-ender.
But if I see anymore, you're back on full ignore - and permanently.
Ralph Morton
Take him up on his threat.
Call his bluff . Let him fight his own congress and senate and the auto
industry . He is vastly out numbered by a bipartisan consensus that the
USA needs Canada in the deal and NAFTA can,t work without it being a
three party agreement. Anything less would hurt the USA as much as
Mexico and Canada.
Mark Leenders
@Basil Masse T-Rump (a
dinosaur like T-Rex) calls himself a "stable genius". Most of us missed
that he was referring to a building where horses are kept.
David R. Amos
@Mark Leenders Methinks I missed that one because Trump was not joking N'esy Pas?
Robert Lee
@Ralph Morton
Where's Canadian Conservative Facebook Club?
Someone didn't post the order to hit CBC tonight with smear posts.
Where's Canadian Conservative Facebook Club?
Someone didn't post the order to hit CBC tonight with smear posts.
David R. Amos
@Robert Lee "Where's Canadian Conservative Facebook Club? "
Methinks you know where it is as well as I N'esy Pas?
Methinks you know where it is as well as I N'esy Pas?
Jamie Robins
The bully is trying to take the attention away from John McCain.
Even in death, John McCain got the last laugh!
Even in death, John McCain got the last laugh!
Edward McNichol
@Jamie Robins ............McCain dies a bitter failure.
David R. Amos
@Edward McNichol How so?
Jim Palmer
@Jamie Robins
From related NCA story on McCain's funeral:
"McCain had asked Obama and Bush to deliver eulogies, while the family made clear that Trump was not welcome. Obama, ..... , hailed the one-time prisoner of war for his commitment to truth and core democratic values — qualities that some critics see lacking in Trump, a former reality television star and New York City real estate mogul".
The difference between John McCain and Donald Trump is not only the difference between a Patriot and 'reality television' host, but the difference between a Man and a boy.
From related NCA story on McCain's funeral:
"McCain had asked Obama and Bush to deliver eulogies, while the family made clear that Trump was not welcome. Obama, ..... , hailed the one-time prisoner of war for his commitment to truth and core democratic values — qualities that some critics see lacking in Trump, a former reality television star and New York City real estate mogul".
The difference between John McCain and Donald Trump is not only the difference between a Patriot and 'reality television' host, but the difference between a Man and a boy.
David R. Amos
@Jim Palmer "The difference
between John McCain and Donald Trump is not only the difference between a
Patriot and 'reality television' host, but the difference between a Man
and a boy."
Methinks both you and "The Donald" would enjoy reading page 25 of this old file of mine N'esy Pas?
https://www.scribd.com/doc/2718120/integrity-yea-right
Methinks both you and "The Donald" would enjoy reading page 25 of this old file of mine N'esy Pas?
https://www.scribd.com/doc/2718120/integrity-yea-right
James Lewis Lewis
Americans didn't vote for a president to lead them, they voted for a president to entertain them.
David R. Amos
@James Lewis Lewis Welcome to the Circus
Methinks many a true word is said in Jest N'esy Pas?
Methinks many a true word is said in Jest N'esy Pas?
https://twitter.com/DavidRayAmos/with_replies
David Raymond Amos @DavidRayAmos
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/nafta-breakoff-what-now-1.4806991
Next week's NAFTA challenge: Restore momentum after Trump's latest 'bullying'
U.S. President bragged about deal 'totally on our terms,' but Freeland isn't giving up
· CBC News · Posted: Sep 01, 2018 4:00 AM ET
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David R. Amos
Food for thought. I have read that some legal minds believe that Trump can pull out of NAFTA without the blessings of Congress. However it would take 6 month to do and then many lawsuits would begin in many States. I have no doubt by the time those lawsuits concluded Trump would be our of oce and the next President would reverse all that he did.
NAFTA Article 2205: “A party may withdraw from this agreement six months after it provides written notice of withdrawal to the other parties. If a party withdraws, the agreement shall remain in force for the remaining parties.”
Methinks the Fat Lady is far from singing any tune about NAFTA N'esy Pas?
David MacKinnon
@David R. Amos
this procedural argument assumes that it is only Trump in the US who wishes to re-industrialize the US economy, it's not many democratic and GOP governors, state legislatures and congressmen support this too, Trump isn't our is due the failure to develop a national market and to diversify trade are.
this procedural argument assumes that it is only Trump in the US who wishes to re-industrialize the US economy, it's not many democratic and GOP governors, state legislatures and congressmen support this too, Trump isn't our is due the failure to develop a national market and to diversify trade are.
John Mestills
@David R. Amos
Pulling out of NAFTA is a major economic decision that requires the blessings of some very powerful industry groups. You don't bit the hand that feeds you ...
Pulling out of NAFTA is a major economic decision that requires the blessings of some very powerful industry groups. You don't bit the hand that feeds you ...
David R. Amos
@David MacKinnon I agree
However try to remember the time when I began in business in the early
70s long before NAFTA and you understand where I am coming from.
David R. Amos
@John Mestills Oh So True
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David R. Amos
Methinks the Yankee
Ringmaster just had with another failure before an important election to
reshuffle the players in the circus he oversees called the US Congress.
Its barely September I bet many folks are waiting with baited breath
for the October Surprise in the Greatest Show on Earth N'esy Pas?
David R. Amos
@David R. Amos Oh My My This comment was blocked after it became my most liked one? Shame on CBC
Jeffrey Wayne
Trump should be working on his plea deal rather than messing up a NAFTA deal.
Arlond Lynds
@Jeffrey Wayne
He is working on anything to distract from his own issues. He is finished and he knows it.
He is working on anything to distract from his own issues. He is finished and he knows it.
David R. Amos
@Jeffrey Wayne Methinks many legal people think it is the FBI who is trouble not Trump N'esy Pas?
David R. Amos
@Arlond Lynds "He is working on anything to distract from his own issues"
I agree with the first part of your opinion but methinks "The Donald' is far from finished and everybody knows it N'esy Pas?
I agree with the first part of your opinion but methinks "The Donald' is far from finished and everybody knows it N'esy Pas?
Arlond Lynds
@David R. Amos
Keep sipping that Koolade there Amos, hope you have a little rum in it. You will be needing it very soon. Couldn't happen to a better group of people.
Keep sipping that Koolade there Amos, hope you have a little rum in it. You will be needing it very soon. Couldn't happen to a better group of people.
shel parks
@David R. Amos
Many as in Rudy Giuliani ?
Many as in Rudy Giuliani ?
David R. Amos
@Arlond Lynds Methinks it is
you who has a fondness for such things not I I am no fan of Trump but as
a Proud Canadian I have every right to hold the Lady Lawyer who
supported Wars and her equally evil Hubby who sold your liberal hero's
pals Tainted Blood in the greatest of contempt N'esy Pas?
David R. Amos
@Arlond Lynds BTW I am on the ballot in Fundy again
This is from a story that appeared in the Kings County Record June 22, 2004
The Unconventional Candidate
By Gisele McKnight
"FUNDY—He has a pack of cigarettes in his shirt pocket, a chain on his wallet, a beard at least a foot long, 60 motorcycles and a cell phone that rings to the tune of "Yankee Doodle."
Meet the latest addition to the Fundy ballot—David Amos. The independent candidate lives in Milton, Massachusetts with his wife and two children, but his place of residence does not stop him from
running for office in Canada."
"Amos, 52, is running for political office because of his dissatisfaction with politicians. "I've become aware of much corruption involving our two countries," he said. "The only way to fix corruption is in the political forum."
"What he's fighting for is the discussion of issues – tainted blood, the exploitation of the Maritimes' gas and oil reserves and NAFTA, to name a few.
"The political issues in the Maritimes involve the three Fs – fishing, farming and forestry, but they forget foreign issues," he said. "I'm death on NAFTA, the back room deals and free trade. I say chuck it (NAFTA) out the window.
NAFTA is the North American Free Trade Agreement which allows an easier flow of goods between Canada, the United States and Mexico."
This is from a story that appeared in the Kings County Record June 22, 2004
The Unconventional Candidate
By Gisele McKnight
"FUNDY—He has a pack of cigarettes in his shirt pocket, a chain on his wallet, a beard at least a foot long, 60 motorcycles and a cell phone that rings to the tune of "Yankee Doodle."
Meet the latest addition to the Fundy ballot—David Amos. The independent candidate lives in Milton, Massachusetts with his wife and two children, but his place of residence does not stop him from
running for office in Canada."
"Amos, 52, is running for political office because of his dissatisfaction with politicians. "I've become aware of much corruption involving our two countries," he said. "The only way to fix corruption is in the political forum."
"What he's fighting for is the discussion of issues – tainted blood, the exploitation of the Maritimes' gas and oil reserves and NAFTA, to name a few.
"The political issues in the Maritimes involve the three Fs – fishing, farming and forestry, but they forget foreign issues," he said. "I'm death on NAFTA, the back room deals and free trade. I say chuck it (NAFTA) out the window.
NAFTA is the North American Free Trade Agreement which allows an easier flow of goods between Canada, the United States and Mexico."
David R. Amos
@shel parks Thats funny Methinks even Trudeau The Younger knows that Rudy Giuliani and I are enemies N'esy Pas?
David R. Amos
@Arlond Lynds If folks truly
care about this issue I hope they Google the following and ask their MPs
and MLAs some serious questions ASAP
trump cohen david amos nafta fatca tpp
and
Robert Lighthizer David Amos
trump cohen david amos nafta fatca tpp
and
Robert Lighthizer David Amos
Chris Maurier
@David R. Amos .( Methinks) and (N'esy Pas?) Thats it I'm so tired of that ,you are now on Permanent Mute.
David R. Amos
@ Chris Maurier Methinks you forgot to ask me or your hero Trudeau The Younger if we cared N'esy Pas?
Rob Scott
Trump's 'no compromise' position means the US is negotiating
in bad faith. His threat to impose 24 % tariff on autos is proof
that he does not intend to honour any trade deal he signs anyway.
That's why he wants to get rid of the dispute resolution clause.
Trump's signature on any trade deal is worthless.
in bad faith. His threat to impose 24 % tariff on autos is proof
that he does not intend to honour any trade deal he signs anyway.
That's why he wants to get rid of the dispute resolution clause.
Trump's signature on any trade deal is worthless.
Chris Maurier
@Jim Palmer "I love the uneducated"..Really isn't a Bad thing ,some one has to care ,even if it IS Phony.
David R. Amos
@Chris Maurier "I love the uneducated"..Really isn't a Bad thing ,some one has to care ,even if it IS Phony.
Methinks you should read before you write N'esy Pas?
https://www.scribd.com/doc/2718120/integrity-yea-right
Methinks you should read before you write N'esy Pas?
https://www.scribd.com/doc/2718120/integrity-yea-right
Arlond Lynds
The suggestion that Canada
should give up the hugely successful regulated dairy industry in favour
of the American no system that is in complete disaster is absurd. It
makes way more sense to regulate the American system. Our system
basically keeps agriculture alive in my province.
David MacKinnon
@Arlond Lynds
there's an argument sure to win,
there's an argument sure to win,
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David R. Amos
@Arlond Lynds Which province would that be? Methinks its likely the one I am running in the election within right now N'esy Pas?
David R. Amos
@Arlond Lynds Methinks your pals are doing some wicked editing for you benefit N'esy Pas?
David MacKinnon
I am offended that the
national broadcaster would reduce itself to whining about the treatment
Canada received from a leader of foreign country which describes us as a
competitor. I appreciate that T-Ball has replaced baseball in most
upper middle class communities but that is not the real world, the US
wants to capture huge parts of our economy, they want the jobs stupid,
there are no rules, it is real economic warfare and unfortunately either
you fight or you lose.
Canada's ruling political class was simply to lazy to diversify trade, as with defense, culture, science it was just easier to let the Americans do it, and now that the chickens have come home to roost our response, it isn't fair/he's a bully, sounds and is juvenile, good grief grow up.
Canada's ruling political class was simply to lazy to diversify trade, as with defense, culture, science it was just easier to let the Americans do it, and now that the chickens have come home to roost our response, it isn't fair/he's a bully, sounds and is juvenile, good grief grow up.
carl tyrell {dit antaya)
@David MacKinnon if you think
the office of either country control the levers we have to disagree It
is the progressive nature of musical chairs that is be played out by
the large corps ,they damn well knew that this day would come when the
consumers that made them would retaliate against the concept of so
called free trade it just a buzz word for the masses
David MacKinnon
@carl tyrell {dit antaya)
I have no idea as to what you are saying here.
I have no idea as to what you are saying here.
carl tyrell {dit antaya)
@David MacKinnon My point is
that this so called free trade was a ruse by corporate America to let
them pursue only profit with disregard to the people that made them
,after ww2 the consumption of products manufactured in western
societies sought out greater markets at the detriment of those that
defended their interest in shallow graves
David R. Amos
@David MacKinnon "I am
offended that the national broadcaster would reduce itself to whining
about the treatment Canada received from a leader of foreign country
which describes us as a competitor."
Methinks the recent deletion of our words should offend you greatly as well N'esy Pas?
Methinks the recent deletion of our words should offend you greatly as well N'esy Pas?
David R. Amos
@carl tyrell {dit antaya) I understood and agree
M Kevin Bishop
Trump's latest "musings" just
add insult to the injury of slapping tariffs on Canadian aluminum and
steel on "national security" grounds. Now we all know what we suspected
all along concerning his contempt for Canada and Canadians.
To heck with Trump and to heck with America until this buffoon leaves - or is escorted - from the White House. My boycott of all things American just jumped up by a quantum leap.
To heck with Trump and to heck with America until this buffoon leaves - or is escorted - from the White House. My boycott of all things American just jumped up by a quantum leap.
David R. Amos
@M Kevin Bishop "Trump's latest "musings" just add insult to the injury"
Methinks that many folks would be hard pressed to recall a musing that didn't N'esy Pas?
Methinks that many folks would be hard pressed to recall a musing that didn't N'esy Pas?
Alex Matheson
@David R. Amos
You are using the term N'esy Pas too much. N'esy Pas?
You are using the term N'esy Pas too much. N'esy Pas?
David R. Amos
@Alex Matheson NOPE Methinks
my Chaic is working rather well to get a rise out out of snobby Anglos
from Upper Canada and elsewhere N'esy Pas?
patrick morris
@Alex Matheson Just ignore the clown like everyone else does.
David R. Amos
@patrick morris Survey Says?
Neil Gregory
@Alex Matheson
And, he is misspelling it as well.
And, he is misspelling it as well.
Timmy Trivetts
This is what Trudeau gets for
effectively flipping off Trump for the last year and a half. Trudeau
should have known better, and Trump is petty enough and has an ego large
enough to carry a personal grudge. This Liberal government should have
had better foresight. Here's to hoping we can get a fair deal
regardless.
Bob McRae
@Timmy Trivetts
Caving in to the Americans may be the Conservative way, but it's not the Canadian way.
Caving in to the Americans may be the Conservative way, but it's not the Canadian way.
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David R. Amos
@Bob McRae True
David R. Amos
@Bob McRae "Caving in to the Americans may be the Conservative way, but it's not the Canadian way."
Methinks its very strange that my one word in agreement with you was blocked N'esy Pas?
Methinks its very strange that my one word in agreement with you was blocked N'esy Pas?
Carl Street
Trudeau by wide margin is the worst Prime Minister in Canadian history ...
Ellis Wyatt
@Carl Street other than give money away, not much good at anything.
Bob Baker
@Carl Street Errm not quite,
that award goes to Harper closely followed by Mulroney, who by a strange
coincidence happen to be Cons. Strange eh?
Alvin Merlot
@Carl Street
No. I'd say the guy who destroyed thousands of high-level technical jobs, along with most of the Canadian aircraft industry, and then stated, "that it was still the right decision to make" is the worst Prime Minister ever. I won't say his name but it starts with "Dief" and ends with "enbaker" and he was a Conservative. No surprise there.
No. I'd say the guy who destroyed thousands of high-level technical jobs, along with most of the Canadian aircraft industry, and then stated, "that it was still the right decision to make" is the worst Prime Minister ever. I won't say his name but it starts with "Dief" and ends with "enbaker" and he was a Conservative. No surprise there.
Bob McRae
@Carl Street
Harper was not only the worst Canadian PM but the most hated as well.
Harper was not only the worst Canadian PM but the most hated as well.
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David R. Amos
@Bob McRae True
Neil Gregory
@Bob McRae
And, Harper will hold both of those records for a long, long time to come.
And, Harper will hold both of those records for a long, long time to come.
William Perry
@Carl Street
Nope. Brian Mulroney, Stephen Harper were and Andrew Scheer would be.
Nope. Brian Mulroney, Stephen Harper were and Andrew Scheer would be.
David R. Amos
@Bob McRae "Harper was not only the worst Canadian PM but the most hated as well."
Methinks its very very strange now My other one word in agreement with you was blocked after i pointed out the first time it was done. Yet we are pointing at Harper and the Boyz which should make CBC overjoyed and their boss Trudeau The Younger N'esy Pas?
Methinks its very very strange now My other one word in agreement with you was blocked after i pointed out the first time it was done. Yet we are pointing at Harper and the Boyz which should make CBC overjoyed and their boss Trudeau The Younger N'esy Pas?
Mel Schlobble
Huff and puff and pound your chest, Canada
Trump will get what he wants.
Sorry, but that's the way of the world now.
If it's any consolation, it's not just you, but the entire world who's undergoing this/
The Great Awakening.
Trump will get what he wants.
Sorry, but that's the way of the world now.
If it's any consolation, it's not just you, but the entire world who's undergoing this/
The Great Awakening.
Bob McRae
@Mel Schlobble
Just because you want Trump to win doesn't mean he's going to.
Just because you want Trump to win doesn't mean he's going to.
David R. Amos
@Bob McRae True
Alvin Merlot
"Trump is a dangerous guy"
The only thing Trump is is dangerously dumb. It is hard to believe that the guy is a University graduate. He must have paid off all of his teachers for passing grades.
The only thing Trump is is dangerously dumb. It is hard to believe that the guy is a University graduate. He must have paid off all of his teachers for passing grades.
Timmy Trivetts
@Alvin Merlot
For someone so dumb Trump sure has played his hand masterfully.
For someone so dumb Trump sure has played his hand masterfully.
David R. Amos
@Timmy Trivetts How so?
ArtMuler
Canada has Trump over a
barrel, if he wants to brag about changing a comma before the midterms,
he needs Canada on board or congress wont ratify a deal.
David R. Amos
@ArtMuler True
Bernard Cloutier
New Zealand got rid of supply management. here,s what they pay.
https://figure.nz/chart/WNZOpEoBKRyz4hBh-BvNCsdPdoTSMl2Pc
https://figure.nz/chart/WNZOpEoBKRyz4hBh-BvNCsdPdoTSMl2Pc
David R. Amos
@Bernard Cloutier Methinks we
don't have to worry about the concerns of the well heeled Dairy Dudes
They own too many politicians to lose anything to Trump's fainthearted
bluster N'esy Pas?
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Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2018 20:59:44 +0000
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Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2018 16:59:04 -0400
Subject: YO Chrystia Freeland and Robert Lighthizer Perhaps Jennifer Hillman a former
general counsel in the U.S. Trade Representative's office should check my work
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---------- Original message ----------
From: Navdeep.Bains@parl.gc.ca
Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2018 23:36:35 +0000
Subject: Automatic reply: NATA and "Litigation Lmbo" with Trump and
his buddies in the WTO
To: motomaniac333@gmail.com
?
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---------- Original message ----------
From: Cyndee Todgham Cherniak <cyndee@lexsage.com>
Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2018 23:12:33 +0000
Subject: RE: RE " Litigation Lmbo" within the WTO ATTN Cyndee Cherniak
I just called and left a voicemail about the Yankee Robert Lighthizer's latest actions
To: David Amos <motomaniac333@gmail.com>
Cc: David Amos <david.raymond.amos@gmail.com>
Hi David;
I listened to you for 45 minutes. You said you called me because you
thought I was licensed in the United Sates. I told you that I was not
licensed to practice in the United States. There was nothing you said
in the 45 minutes that focused on what you needed from a Canadian
lawyer. I am not a litigator as I previously indicated to you. You
told me about many law suits that you have files. I am just not
competent to file any cases in the Ontario Court of Federal Court for
you. My areas of practice are very specialized and you do not appear
from the 45 minutes conversation to need me. The Law Society of
Ontario Rules of Professional Conduct require me to decline work when
I am not competent to fulfill the mandate. I am being honest with you
from the very beginning that I am not experienced in the areas of the
law at issue for you. Further, Canada is about to commence a steel
safeguard and I do not have capacity to take on the work. I am
working on a Sunday today when we talked due to my workload. I regret
to inform you that I cannot help you.
Regards,
Cyndee Todgham Cherniak
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-----Original Message-----
From: David Amos [mailto:motomaniac333@gmail.
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 5:09 PM
To: Cyndee Todgham Cherniak <cyndee@lexsage.com>
Cc: David Amos <david.raymond.amos@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: RE " Litigation Lmbo" within the WTO ATTN Cyndee Cherniak
I just called and left a voicemail about the Yankee Robert Lighthizer's latest actions
I don't think you know who I am. Dis yo notice who else got the first
email I sent you?
---------- Original message ----------
From: Navdeep.Bains@parl.gc.ca
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2018 21:54:22 +0000
Subject: Automatic reply: RE " Litigation Lmbo" within the WTO ATTN
Cyndee Cherniak I just called and left a voicemail about the Yankee
Robert Lighthizer's latest actions
To: motomaniac333@gmail.com
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>
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Google the followng and say hey to Trump's lawyers for me if you wish.
Trust that I talk to them now and again.
Do you see mean little Mikey's cell number?
trump cohen amos tpp nafta fatca
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On 7/22/18, Cyndee Todgham Cherniak <cyndee@lexsage.com> wrote:
> Hi Dave;
>
> You have made me smile. As an international trade lawyer in Canada, I
> am very busy these days. So long as President Trump is in office, the
> work keeps coming. I am not a litigator who sues companies in the Ontario Court.
> So, I am not sure that I am competent to help you. I really focus
> only on customs law, export controls, antidumping, GST/HST and similar
> Canadian laws. I think you need someone with more court experience
> that I have. I am always honest with potential clients about what work I do.
>
> Are you having difficulty finding a lawyer in Canada? I would be
> pleased to speak with you to try to identify someone with the skills you need.
>
> Regards,
> Cyndee Todgham Cherniak
> LexSage*
> The Gooderham “Flatiron” Building
> 49 Wellington Street East
> Suite 501
> Toronto, Ontario
> M5E 1C9
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: David Amos [mailto:motomaniac333@gmail.
> Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 4:53 PM
> To: Cyndee Todgham Cherniak <cyndee@lexsage.com>
> Cc: David Amos <david.raymond.amos@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: RE " Litigation Lmbo" within the WTO ATTN Cyndee Cherniak
> I just called and left a voicemail about the Yankee Robert
> Lighthizer's latest actions
>
> Hi Cybdee
>
> Thanks for the response but trust that I well understood the article.
> It caused me to check you out. I know who you are and what you do.
> I'm fishing to see if you may wish to have me for a client. With
> regards to money you may never need another if you opted to file
> against certain companies for me. No kidding. I will handle my ongoing
> arguments agianst the Crown and the USA...
>
> Best Regards
> Dave
>
> On 7/22/18, Cyndee Todgham Cherniak <cyndee@lexsage.com> wrote:
>> Hi David;
>>
>> I apologize for the delay in responding. I had food poisoning on
>> Monday and it slowed me down a bit.
>>
>> I am in international trade lawyer in Canada and am not sure I can
>> help you.
>> My comments were that the Appellate Body of the World Trade
>> Organization will have difficulties because the United States is not
>> approving new members. There must be three members on any panel and
>> there are only 3 members left (going down to 2 soon). So, any new
>> case filed with the WTO cannot get to its conclusion if appealed to
>> the Appellate Body.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Cyndee Todgham Cherniak
>> LexSage*
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>> 49 Wellington Street East
>> Suite 501
>> Toronto, Ontario
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---------- Original message ----------
From: David Amos <motomaniac333@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2018 18:01:36 -0400
Subject: Re: RE " Litigation Lmbo" within the WTO ATTN Cyndee Cherniak
I just called and left a voicemail about the Yankee Robert Lighthizer's latest actions
To: Cyndee Todgham Cherniak <cyndee@lexsage.com>
Cc: David Amos <david.raymond.amos@gmail.com>
Certainly thanks for the response
On 7/16/18, Cyndee Todgham Cherniak <cyndee@lexsage.com> wrote:
> Hi David,
>
> Can I try to reach you on Wednesday? I am in Canada and on a trip to the
> forest. I return to the City late tomorrow.
>
> Cyndee
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jul 16, 2018, at 5:54 PM, David Amos <motomaniac333@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> It tried to be fair with Mr. Lighthizer but as i told his help
>> "Trevor" whereas his boss was a partner of Skadden, Arps, Slate,
>> Meagher & Flom LLP (Skadden) and buddy Stephen Vaughn worked there as
>> well they certainly should have known who I am for many years. The kid
>> Janowitz is a dark horse o me because he never even got out of law
>> scholl untill 2006. When asked to speak to a lawyer and was directed
>> to some young lady named Amy who would do nothing. So I went about
>> trying to figure out which lawyers to contact and decided to email
>> several because as we all know bureaucratic lawyers come and go the
>> politcal tide.
>>
>> https://ustr.gov/about-us/
>>
>> Brian Samuel Janovitz
>> Bar Number: 32909
>> 1301 M St NW Apt 122
>> Washington, DC 20005-4205
>> United States
>> Office: 202-395-3150
>> Fax: 202-395-3639
>> Email: bjanovitz@ustr.eop.gov
>>
>> https://www.lexsage.com/about-
>>
>> Cyndee Todgham Cherniak
>> Phone: 647-290-4249
>> Email: cyndee@lexsage.com
>>
>> Need I say I found this interesting as well?
>>
>> https://www.americanbar.org/
>>
>> https://www.cbc.ca/news/
>>
>> U.S. launches tariff challenge at WTO against Canada, Mexico, Turkey,
>> China and EU
>> American trade rep says original tariffs were justified, but
>> retaliatory tariffs are not
>> Pete Evans · CBC News · Posted: Jul 16, 2018 10:42 AM ET | Last
>> Updated: 2 hours ago
>> Trade representative Robert Lighthizer calls retaliatory tariffs
>> against the United States unfair. (Aaron P. Bernstein/Reuters)
>>
>> The United States has launched five separate complaints at the World
>> Trade Organization against Canada, China, the European Union, Mexico
>> and Turkey in response to retaliatory tariffs those countries and
>> groups have launched against the United States.
>>
>> U.S. trade representative Robert Lighthizer said in a statement Monday
>> that recent tariffs implemented by the U.S. on foreign steel and
>> aluminum are "justified under international agreements," but
>> retaliatory measures from other countries in response are not.
>>
>> Canada launches trade dispute with U.S. through World Trade
>> Organization
>>
>> Former NAFTA negotiator calls Trump's 'bluster' on trade deals
>> offensive
>>
>> "Instead of working with us to address a common problem, some of our
>> trading partners have elected to respond with retaliatory tariffs
>> designed to punish American workers, farmers and companies,"
>> Lighthizer said.
>>
>> The United States earlier this year put a tariff of 10 per cent on
>> imported aluminum, and 25 per cent on steel, in addition to other
>> targeted measures on foreign-made goods. Other nations hit by those
>> tariffs have launched counter-measures of their own, which so far
>> target $24 billion US worth of American-made goods, but are soon set
>> to increase exponentially.
>>
>> Last week, the U.S. proposed a new round of tariffs on $200 billion US
>> worth of Chinese goods, and China is disputing those tariffs in a WTO
>> complaint of its own, also announced Monday.
>>
>> Trump says he wants a bilateral trade deal with Japan over TPP
>>
>> The WTO is an international body that adjudicates trade disagreements
>> between member nations. Member nations usually adhere to any rulings
>> the WTO finds, but the process can be so slow and cumbersome that many
>> disputes ended up being remedied elsewhere at some point anyway.
>>
>> Cyndee Cherniak, an international trade lawyer at LexSage in Toronto,
>> says it's interesting that the U.S. is choosing to go the WTO route in
>> this case, since the country has been dragging its foot on updates
>> that would enhance the agency's power to mediate trade squabbles.
>>
>> Trump revs up Harley-Davidson fight into second day
>>
>> The U.S. has stopped appointing people to the appellate body of the
>> WTO that would allow it to handle more cases, more quickly, she said.
>>
>> "The U.S. is making it impossible for there to be a final decision on
>> the five cases they just brought."
>>
>> The reason for that, she suggested, is a more sinister motive at play.
>>
>> "Without a functioning court, they can do whatever they want, because
>> there's no one there to tell them they can't do it."
>>
>> "We are caught in a litigation limbo," said Cherniak.
>>
>>
>> ---------- Original message ----------
>> From: David Amos <motomaniac333@gmail.com>
>> Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2018 11:04:21 -0400
>> Subject: Fwd: I bet Rotten Ralphy Goodale and Caroline Mulroney know why
>> I will contact Doug Ford's Attorney General as soon as I know who it is
>> N'esy Pas?
>> To: marc.maillet@rcmp-grc.gc.ca
>> Cc: David Amos <david.raymond.amos@gmail.com>
>>
>>
>>
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: Kevin Leahy <kevin.leahy@rcmp-grc.gc.ca>
>> Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2018 07:37:19 -0400
>> Subject: Re: Fwd: I bet Rotten Ralphy Goodale and Caroline Mulroney know
>> why I will contact Doug Ford's Attorney General as soon as I know who it is
>> N'esy Pas?
>> To: David Amos <motomaniac333@gmail.com>
>>
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>>
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>> Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2018 11:50:50 +0000
>> Subject: Automatic reply: Somebody say Hey to the former Attorney General
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>> ---------- Original message ----------
>> From: Premier of Ontario | Premier ministre de l’Ontario
>> <Premier@ontario.ca>
>> Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2018 11:25:48 +0000
>> Subject: Automatic reply: I bet Rotten Ralphy Goodale and Caroline Mulroney
>> know why I will contact Doug Ford's Attorney General as soon as I know
>> who it is N'esy Pas?
>> To: David Amos <motomaniac333@gmail.com>
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>> ---------- Original message ----------
>> From: Caroline Mulroney <caroline@carolinemulroney.ca>
>> Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2018 04:25:48 -0700
>> Subject: Thank you for your message! Re: I bet Rotten Ralphy Goodale and
>> Caroline Mulroney know why I will contact Doug Ford's Attorney General as
>> soon as I know who it is N'esy Pas?
>> To: motomaniac333@gmail.com
>>
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>> http://davidraymondamos3.
>>
>> Sunday, 19 November 2017
>>
>> Federal Court of Appeal Finally Makes The BIG Decision And Publishes
>> It Now The Crooks Cannot Take Back Ticket To Try Put My Matter Before
>> The Supreme Court
>>
>> https://decisions.fct-cf.gc.
>>
>>
>> Federal Court of Appeal Decisions
>>
>> Amos v. Canada
>> Court (s) Database
>>
>> Federal Court of Appeal Decisions
>> Date
>>
>> 2017-10-30
>> Neutral citation
>>
>> 2017 FCA 213
>> File numbers
>>
>> A-48-16
>> Date: 20171030
>>
>> Docket: A-48-16
>> Citation: 2017 FCA 213
>> CORAM:
>>
>> WEBB J.A.
>> NEAR J.A.
>> GLEASON J.A.
>>
>>
>> BETWEEN:
>>
>> DAVID RAYMOND AMOS
>> Respondent on the cross-appeal
>> (and formally Appellant)
>>
>> and
>>
>> HER MAJESTY THE QUEEN
>> Appellant on the cross-appeal
>> (and formerly Respondent)
>> Heard at Fredericton, New Brunswick, on May 24, 2017.
>> Judgment delivered at Ottawa, Ontario, on October 30, 2017.
>> REASONS FOR JUDGMENT BY:
>>
>> THE COURT
>>
>> Date: 20171030
>>
>> Docket: A-48-16
>> Citation: 2017 FCA 213
>> CORAM:
>>
>> WEBB J.A.
>> NEAR J.A.
>> GLEASON J.A.
>>
>>
>> BETWEEN:
>> DAVID RAYMOND AMOS
>> Respondent on the cross-appeal
>> (and formally Appellant)
>> and
>> HER MAJESTY THE QUEEN
>> Appellant on the cross-appeal
>> (and formerly Respondent)
>> REASONS FOR JUDGMENT BY THE COURT
>>
>> I. Introduction
>>
>> [1] On September 16, 2015, David Raymond Amos (Mr. Amos)
>> filed a 53-page Statement of Claim (the Claim) in Federal Court
>> against Her Majesty the Queen (the Crown). Mr. Amos claims $11 million
>> in damages and a public apology from the Prime Minister and Provincial
>> Premiers for being illegally barred from accessing parliamentary
>> properties and seeks a declaration from the Minister of Public Safety
>> that the Canadian Government will no longer allow the Royal Canadian
>> Mounted Police (RCMP) and Canadian Forces to harass him and his clan
>> (Claim at para. 96).
>>
>>
>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>> From: David Amos motomaniac333@gmail.com
>>> Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2017 09:32:09 -0400
>>> Subject: Attn Integrity Commissioner Alexandre Deschênes, Q.C.,
>>> To: coi@gnb.ca
>>> Cc: david.raymond.amos@gmail.com
>>>
>>> Good Day Sir
>>>
>>> After I heard you speak on CBC I called your office again and managed
>>> to speak to one of your staff for the first time
>>>
>>> Please find attached the documents I promised to send to the lady who
>>> answered the phone this morning. Please notice that not after the Sgt
>>> at Arms took the documents destined to your office his pal Tanker
>>> Malley barred me in writing with an "English" only document.
>>>
>>> These are the hearings and the dockets in Federal Court that I
>>> suggested that you study closely.
>>>
>>> This is the docket in Federal Court
>>>
>>> http://cas-cdc-www02.cas-satj.
>>>
>>> These are digital recordings of the last three hearings
>>>
>>> Dec 14th https://archive.org/details/
>>>
>>> January 11th, 2016 https://archive.org/details/
>>>
>>> April 3rd, 2017
>>>
>>> https://archive.org/details/
>>>
>>>
>>> This is the docket in the Federal Court of Appeal
>>>
>>> http://cas-cdc-www02.cas-satj.
>>>
>>>
>>> The only hearing thus far
>>>
>>> May 24th, 2017
>>>
>>> https://archive.org/details/
>>>
>>>
>>> This Judge understnds the meaning of the word Integrity
>>>
>>> Date: 20151223
>>>
>>> Docket: T-1557-15
>>>
>>> Fredericton, New Brunswick, December 23, 2015
>>>
>>> PRESENT: The Honourable Mr. Justice Bell
>>>
>>> BETWEEN:
>>>
>>> DAVID RAYMOND AMOS
>>>
>>> Plaintiff
>>>
>>> and
>>>
>>> HER MAJESTY THE QUEEN
>>>
>>> Defendant
>>>
>>> ORDER
>>>
>>> (Delivered orally from the Bench in Fredericton, New Brunswick, on
>>> December 14, 2015)
>>>
>>> The Plaintiff seeks an appeal de novo, by way of motion pursuant to
>>> the Federal Courts Rules (SOR/98-106), from an Order made on November
>>> 12, 2015, in which Prothonotary Morneau struck the Statement of Claim
>>> in its entirety.
>>>
>>> At the outset of the hearing, the Plaintiff brought to my attention a
>>> letter dated September 10, 2004, which he sent to me, in my then
>>> capacity as Past President of the New Brunswick Branch of the Canadian
>>> Bar Association, and the then President of the Branch, Kathleen Quigg,
>>> (now a Justice of the New Brunswick Court of Appeal). In that letter
>>> he stated:
>>>
>>> As for your past President, Mr. Bell, may I suggest that you check the
>>> work of Frank McKenna before I sue your entire law firm including you.
>>> You are your brother’s keeper.
>>>
>>> Frank McKenna is the former Premier of New Brunswick and a former
>>> colleague of mine at the law firm of McInnes Cooper. In addition to
>>> expressing an intention to sue me, the Plaintiff refers to a number of
>>> people in his Motion Record who he appears to contend may be witnesses
>>> or potential parties to be added. Those individuals who are known to
>>> me personally, include, but are not limited to the former Prime
>>> Minister of Canada, The Right Honourable Stephen Harper; former
>>> Attorney General of Canada and now a Justice of the Manitoba Court of
>>> Queen’s Bench, Vic Toews; former member of Parliament Rob Moore;
>>> former Director of Policing Services, the late Grant Garneau; former
>>> Chief of the Fredericton Police Force, Barry McKnight; former Staff
>>> Sergeant Danny Copp; my former colleagues on the New Brunswick Court
>>> of Appeal, Justices Bradley V. Green and Kathleen Quigg, and, retired
>>> Assistant Commissioner Wayne Lang of the Royal Canadian Mounted
>>> Police.
>>>
>>> In the circumstances, given the threat in 2004 to sue me in my
>>> personal capacity and my past and present relationship with many
>>> potential witnesses and/or potential parties to the litigation, I am
>>> of the view there would be a reasonable apprehension of bias should I
>>> hear this motion. See Justice de Grandpré’s dissenting judgment in
>>> Committee for Justice and Liberty et al v National Energy Board et al,
>>> [1978] 1 SCR 369 at p 394 for the applicable test regarding
>>> allegations of bias. In the circumstances, although neither party has
>>> requested I recuse myself, I consider it appropriate that I do so.
>>>
>>>
>>> AS A RESULT OF MY RECUSAL, THIS COURT ORDERS that the Administrator of
>>> the Court schedule another date for the hearing of the motion. There
>>> is no order as to costs.
>>>
>>> “B. Richard Bell”
>>> Judge
>>>
>>>
>>> Below after the CBC article about your concerns (I made one comment
>>> already) you will find the text of just two of many emails I had sent
>>> to your office over the years since I first visited it in 2006.
>>>
>>> I noticed that on July 30, 2009, he was appointed to the the Court
>>> Martial Appeal Court of Canada Perhaps you should scroll to the
>>> bottom of this email ASAP and read the entire Paragraph 83 of my
>>> lawsuit now before the Federal Court of Canada?
>>>
>>> "FYI This is the text of the lawsuit that should interest Trudeau the
>>> most
>>>
>>>
>>> ---------- Original message ----------
>>> From: justin.trudeau.a1@parl.gc.ca
>>> Date: Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 8:18 PM
>>> Subject: Réponse automatique : RE My complaint against the CROWN in
>>> Federal Court Attn David Hansen and Peter MacKay If you planning to
>>> submit a motion for a publication ban on my complaint trust that you
>>> dudes are way past too late
>>> To: david.raymond.amos@gmail.com
>>>
>>> Veuillez noter que j'ai changé de courriel. Vous pouvez me rejoindre à
>>> lalanthier@hotmail.com
>>>
>>> Pour rejoindre le bureau de M. Trudeau veuillez envoyer un courriel à
>>> tommy.desfosses@parl.gc.ca
>>>
>>> Please note that I changed email address, you can reach me at
>>> lalanthier@hotmail.com
>>>
>>> To reach the office of Mr. Trudeau please send an email to
>>> tommy.desfosses@parl.gc.ca
>>>
>>> Thank you,
>>>
>>> Merci ,
>>>
>>>
>>> http://davidraymondamos3.
>>>
>>>
>>> 83. The Plaintiff states that now that Canada is involved in more war
>>> in Iraq again it did not serve Canadian interests and reputation to
>>> allow Barry Winters to publish the following words three times over
>>> five years after he began his bragging:
>>>
>>> January 13, 2015
>>> This Is Just AS Relevant Now As When I wrote It During The Debate
>>>
>>> December 8, 2014
>>> Why Canada Stood Tall!
>>>
>>> Friday, October 3, 2014
>>> Little David Amos’ “True History Of War” Canadian Airstrikes And
>>> Stupid Justin Trudeau
>>>
>>> Canada’s and Canadians free ride is over. Canada can no longer hide
>>> behind Amerka’s and NATO’s skirts.
>>>
>>> When I was still in Canadian Forces then Prime Minister Jean Chretien
>>> actually committed the Canadian Army to deploy in the second campaign
>>> in Iraq, the Coalition of the Willing. This was against or contrary to
>>> the wisdom or advice of those of us Canadian officers that were
>>> involved in the initial planning phases of that operation. There were
>>> significant concern in our planning cell, and NDHQ about of the dearth
>>> of concern for operational guidance, direction, and forces for
>>> operations after the initial occupation of Iraq. At the “last minute”
>>> Prime Minister Chretien and the Liberal government changed its mind.
>>> The Canadian government told our amerkan cousins that we would not
>>> deploy combat troops for the Iraq campaign, but would deploy a
>>> Canadian Battle Group to Afghanistan, enabling our amerkan cousins to
>>> redeploy troops from there to Iraq. The PMO’s thinking that it was
>>> less costly to deploy Canadian Forces to Afghanistan than Iraq. But
>>> alas no one seems to remind the Liberals of Prime Minister Chretien’s
>>> then grossly incorrect assumption. Notwithstanding Jean Chretien’s
>>> incompetence and stupidity, the Canadian Army was heroic,
>>> professional, punched well above it’s weight, and the PPCLI Battle
>>> Group, is credited with “saving Afghanistan” during the Panjway
>>> campaign of 2006.
>>>
>>> What Justin Trudeau and the Liberals don’t tell you now, is that then
>>> Liberal Prime Minister Jean Chretien committed, and deployed the
>>> Canadian army to Canada’s longest “war” without the advice, consent,
>>> support, or vote of the Canadian Parliament.
>>>
>>> What David Amos and the rest of the ignorant, uneducated, and babbling
>>> chattering classes are too addled to understand is the deployment of
>>> less than 75 special operations troops, and what is known by planners
>>> as a “six pac cell” of fighter aircraft is NOT the same as a
>>> deployment of a Battle Group, nor a “war” make.
>>>
>>> The Canadian Government or The Crown unlike our amerkan cousins have
>>> the “constitutional authority” to commit the Canadian nation to war.
>>> That has been recently clearly articulated to the Canadian public by
>>> constitutional scholar Phillippe Legasse. What Parliament can do is
>>> remove “confidence” in The Crown’s Government in a “vote of
>>> non-confidence.” That could not happen to the Chretien Government
>>> regarding deployment to Afghanistan, and it won’t happen in this
>>> instance with the conservative majority in The Commons regarding a
>>> limited Canadian deployment to the Middle East.
>>>
>>> President George Bush was quite correct after 911 and the terror
>>> attacks in New York; that the Taliban “occupied” and “failed state”
>>> Afghanistan was the source of logistical support, command and control,
>>> and training for the Al Quaeda war of terror against the world. The
>>> initial defeat, and removal from control of Afghanistan was vital and
>>>
>>> P.S. Whereas this CBC article is about your opinion of the actions of
>>> the latest Minister Of Health trust that Mr Boudreau and the CBC have
>>> had my files for many years and the last thing they are is ethical.
>>> Ask his friends Mr Murphy and the RCMP if you don't believe me.
>>>
>>> Subject:
>>> Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 12:02:35 -0400
>>> From: "Murphy, Michael B. \(DH/MS\)" MichaelB.Murphy@gnb.ca
>>> To: motomaniac_02186@yahoo.com
>>>
>>> January 30, 2007
>>>
>>> WITHOUT PREJUDICE
>>>
>>> Mr. David Amos
>>>
>>> Dear Mr. Amos:
>>>
>>> This will acknowledge receipt of a copy of your e-mail of December 29,
>>> 2006 to Corporal Warren McBeath of the RCMP.
>>>
>>> Because of the nature of the allegations made in your message, I have
>>> taken the measure of forwarding a copy to Assistant Commissioner Steve
>>> Graham of the RCMP “J” Division in Fredericton.
>>>
>>> Sincerely,
>>>
>>> Honourable Michael B. Murphy
>>> Minister of Health
>>>
>>> CM/cb
>>>
>>>
>>> Warren McBeath warren.mcbeath@rcmp-grc.gc.ca wrote:
>>>
>>> Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 17:34:53 -0500
>>> From: "Warren McBeath" warren.mcbeath@rcmp-grc.gc.ca
>>> To: kilgoursite@ca.inter.net, MichaelB.Murphy@gnb.ca,
>>> nada.sarkis@gnb.ca, wally.stiles@gnb.ca, dwatch@web.net,
>>> motomaniac_02186@yahoo.com
>>> CC: ottawa@chuckstrahl.com, riding@chuckstrahl.com,John.
>>> Oda.B@parl.gc.ca,"Bev BUSSON" bev.busson@rcmp-grc.gc.ca,
>>> "Paul Dube" PAUL.DUBE@rcmp-grc.gc.ca
>>> Subject: Re: Remember me Kilgour? Landslide Annie McLellan has
>>> forgotten me but the crooks within the RCMP have not
>>>
>>> Dear Mr. Amos,
>>>
>>> Thank you for your follow up e-mail to me today. I was on days off
>>> over the holidays and returned to work this evening. Rest assured I
>>> was not ignoring or procrastinating to respond to your concerns.
>>>
>>> As your attachment sent today refers from Premier Graham, our position
>>> is clear on your dead calf issue: Our forensic labs do not process
>>> testing on animals in cases such as yours, they are referred to the
>>> Atlantic Veterinary College in Charlottetown who can provide these
>>> services. If you do not choose to utilize their expertise in this
>>> instance, then that is your decision and nothing more can be done.
>>>
>>> As for your other concerns regarding the US Government, false
>>> imprisonment and Federal Court Dates in the US, etc... it is clear
>>> that Federal authorities are aware of your concerns both in Canada
>>> the US. These issues do not fall into the purvue of Detachment
>>> and policing in Petitcodiac, NB.
>>>
>>> It was indeed an interesting and informative conversation we had on
>>> December 23rd, and I wish you well in all of your future endeavors.
>>>
>>> Sincerely,
>>>
>>> Warren McBeath, Cpl.
>>> GRC Caledonia RCMP
>>> Traffic Services NCO
>>> Ph: (506) 387-2222
>>> Fax: (506) 387-4622
>>> E-mail warren.mcbeath@rcmp-grc.gc.ca
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Alexandre Deschênes, Q.C.,
>>> Office of the Integrity Commissioner
>>> Edgecombe House, 736 King Street
>>> Fredericton, N.B. CANADA E3B 5H1
>>> tel.: 506-457-7890
>>> fax: 506-444-5224
>>> e-mail:coi@gnb.ca
>>>
From: OIGCounsel <OIGCounsel@oig.treas.gov>
Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2018 20:59:44 +0000
Subject: Automatic reply: YO Chrystia Freeland and Robert Lighthizer
Perhaps Jennifer Hillman a former general counsel in the U.S. Trade
Representative's office should check my work
To: David Amos <motomaniac333@gmail.com>
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---------- Original message ----------
From: "Minister of ISED - Ministre de ISDE (IC)"
<ised.minister-ministre.isde@
Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2018 20:59:18 +0000
Subject: Automatic reply: YO Chrystia Freeland and Robert Lighthizer
Perhaps Jennifer Hillman a former general counsel in the U.S. Trade
Representative's office should check my work
To: David Amos <motomaniac333@gmail.com>
(le fran?ais suit l'anglais)
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---------- Original message ----------
From: "Jensen, Jan" <jan.jensen@justice.gc.ca>
Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2018 20:59:07 +0000
Subject: Automatic reply: YO Chrystia Freeland and Robert Lighthizer
Perhaps Jennifer Hillman a former general counsel in the U.S. Trade
Representative's office should check my work
To: David Amos <motomaniac333@gmail.com>
I will be away from the office and not returning until Wednesday
September 5th. If you require immediate assistance, please contact
my assistant at (902) 407 7461.
---------- Original message ----------
From: David Amos <motomaniac333@gmail.com>
Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2018 16:59:04 -0400
Subject: YO Chrystia Freeland and Robert Lighthizer Perhaps Jennifer Hillman a former
general counsel in the U.S. Trade Representative's office should check my work
To: "Chrystia.Freeland" <Chrystia.Freeland@parl.gc.ca>
Robert.E.Lighthizer@ustr.eop.
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http://davidraymondamos3.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/
"I've never seen, in my experience, this kind of bullying — just
abject bullying," said Jennifer Hillman, a former international trade
adjudicator and general counsel in the U.S. Trade Representative's
office. "I don't believe the majority of Americans support this."
Worse for Trump's supporters, it isn't delivering.
"This is a lot of talk of getting good deals, but we haven't seen
any," she said.
https://www.law.georgetown.
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---------- Original message ----------
From: Navdeep.Bains@parl.gc.ca
Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2018 23:36:35 +0000
Subject: Automatic reply: NATA and "Litigation Lmbo" with Trump and
his buddies in the WTO
To: motomaniac333@gmail.com
?
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From: Cyndee Todgham Cherniak <cyndee@lexsage.com>
Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2018 23:12:33 +0000
Subject: RE: RE " Litigation Lmbo" within the WTO ATTN Cyndee Cherniak
I just called and left a voicemail about the Yankee Robert Lighthizer's latest actions
To: David Amos <motomaniac333@gmail.com>
Cc: David Amos <david.raymond.amos@gmail.com>
Hi David;
I listened to you for 45 minutes. You said you called me because you
thought I was licensed in the United Sates. I told you that I was not
licensed to practice in the United States. There was nothing you said
in the 45 minutes that focused on what you needed from a Canadian
lawyer. I am not a litigator as I previously indicated to you. You
told me about many law suits that you have files. I am just not
competent to file any cases in the Ontario Court of Federal Court for
you. My areas of practice are very specialized and you do not appear
from the 45 minutes conversation to need me. The Law Society of
Ontario Rules of Professional Conduct require me to decline work when
I am not competent to fulfill the mandate. I am being honest with you
from the very beginning that I am not experienced in the areas of the
law at issue for you. Further, Canada is about to commence a steel
safeguard and I do not have capacity to take on the work. I am
working on a Sunday today when we talked due to my workload. I regret
to inform you that I cannot help you.
Regards,
Cyndee Todgham Cherniak
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-----Original Message-----
From: David Amos [mailto:motomaniac333@gmail.
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 5:09 PM
To: Cyndee Todgham Cherniak <cyndee@lexsage.com>
Cc: David Amos <david.raymond.amos@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: RE " Litigation Lmbo" within the WTO ATTN Cyndee Cherniak
I just called and left a voicemail about the Yankee Robert Lighthizer's latest actions
I don't think you know who I am. Dis yo notice who else got the first
email I sent you?
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Subject: Automatic reply: RE " Litigation Lmbo" within the WTO ATTN
Cyndee Cherniak I just called and left a voicemail about the Yankee
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Google the followng and say hey to Trump's lawyers for me if you wish.
Trust that I talk to them now and again.
Do you see mean little Mikey's cell number?
trump cohen amos tpp nafta fatca
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On 7/22/18, Cyndee Todgham Cherniak <cyndee@lexsage.com> wrote:
> Hi Dave;
>
> You have made me smile. As an international trade lawyer in Canada, I
> am very busy these days. So long as President Trump is in office, the
> work keeps coming. I am not a litigator who sues companies in the Ontario Court.
> So, I am not sure that I am competent to help you. I really focus
> only on customs law, export controls, antidumping, GST/HST and similar
> Canadian laws. I think you need someone with more court experience
> that I have. I am always honest with potential clients about what work I do.
>
> Are you having difficulty finding a lawyer in Canada? I would be
> pleased to speak with you to try to identify someone with the skills you need.
>
> Regards,
> Cyndee Todgham Cherniak
> LexSage*
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> 49 Wellington Street East
> Suite 501
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: David Amos [mailto:motomaniac333@gmail.
> Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 4:53 PM
> To: Cyndee Todgham Cherniak <cyndee@lexsage.com>
> Cc: David Amos <david.raymond.amos@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: RE " Litigation Lmbo" within the WTO ATTN Cyndee Cherniak
> I just called and left a voicemail about the Yankee Robert
> Lighthizer's latest actions
>
> Hi Cybdee
>
> Thanks for the response but trust that I well understood the article.
> It caused me to check you out. I know who you are and what you do.
> I'm fishing to see if you may wish to have me for a client. With
> regards to money you may never need another if you opted to file
> against certain companies for me. No kidding. I will handle my ongoing
> arguments agianst the Crown and the USA...
>
> Best Regards
> Dave
>
> On 7/22/18, Cyndee Todgham Cherniak <cyndee@lexsage.com> wrote:
>> Hi David;
>>
>> I apologize for the delay in responding. I had food poisoning on
>> Monday and it slowed me down a bit.
>>
>> I am in international trade lawyer in Canada and am not sure I can
>> help you.
>> My comments were that the Appellate Body of the World Trade
>> Organization will have difficulties because the United States is not
>> approving new members. There must be three members on any panel and
>> there are only 3 members left (going down to 2 soon). So, any new
>> case filed with the WTO cannot get to its conclusion if appealed to
>> the Appellate Body.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Cyndee Todgham Cherniak
>> LexSage*
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>> 49 Wellington Street East
>> Suite 501
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---------- Original message ----------
From: David Amos <motomaniac333@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2018 18:01:36 -0400
Subject: Re: RE " Litigation Lmbo" within the WTO ATTN Cyndee Cherniak
I just called and left a voicemail about the Yankee Robert Lighthizer's latest actions
To: Cyndee Todgham Cherniak <cyndee@lexsage.com>
Cc: David Amos <david.raymond.amos@gmail.com>
Certainly thanks for the response
On 7/16/18, Cyndee Todgham Cherniak <cyndee@lexsage.com> wrote:
> Hi David,
>
> Can I try to reach you on Wednesday? I am in Canada and on a trip to the
> forest. I return to the City late tomorrow.
>
> Cyndee
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jul 16, 2018, at 5:54 PM, David Amos <motomaniac333@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> It tried to be fair with Mr. Lighthizer but as i told his help
>> "Trevor" whereas his boss was a partner of Skadden, Arps, Slate,
>> Meagher & Flom LLP (Skadden) and buddy Stephen Vaughn worked there as
>> well they certainly should have known who I am for many years. The kid
>> Janowitz is a dark horse o me because he never even got out of law
>> scholl untill 2006. When asked to speak to a lawyer and was directed
>> to some young lady named Amy who would do nothing. So I went about
>> trying to figure out which lawyers to contact and decided to email
>> several because as we all know bureaucratic lawyers come and go the
>> politcal tide.
>>
>> https://ustr.gov/about-us/
>>
>> Brian Samuel Janovitz
>> Bar Number: 32909
>> 1301 M St NW Apt 122
>> Washington, DC 20005-4205
>> United States
>> Office: 202-395-3150
>> Fax: 202-395-3639
>> Email: bjanovitz@ustr.eop.gov
>>
>> https://www.lexsage.com/about-
>>
>> Cyndee Todgham Cherniak
>> Phone: 647-290-4249
>> Email: cyndee@lexsage.com
>>
>> Need I say I found this interesting as well?
>>
>> https://www.americanbar.org/
>>
>> https://www.cbc.ca/news/
>>
>> U.S. launches tariff challenge at WTO against Canada, Mexico, Turkey,
>> China and EU
>> American trade rep says original tariffs were justified, but
>> retaliatory tariffs are not
>> Pete Evans · CBC News · Posted: Jul 16, 2018 10:42 AM ET | Last
>> Updated: 2 hours ago
>> Trade representative Robert Lighthizer calls retaliatory tariffs
>> against the United States unfair. (Aaron P. Bernstein/Reuters)
>>
>> The United States has launched five separate complaints at the World
>> Trade Organization against Canada, China, the European Union, Mexico
>> and Turkey in response to retaliatory tariffs those countries and
>> groups have launched against the United States.
>>
>> U.S. trade representative Robert Lighthizer said in a statement Monday
>> that recent tariffs implemented by the U.S. on foreign steel and
>> aluminum are "justified under international agreements," but
>> retaliatory measures from other countries in response are not.
>>
>> Canada launches trade dispute with U.S. through World Trade
>> Organization
>>
>> Former NAFTA negotiator calls Trump's 'bluster' on trade deals
>> offensive
>>
>> "Instead of working with us to address a common problem, some of our
>> trading partners have elected to respond with retaliatory tariffs
>> designed to punish American workers, farmers and companies,"
>> Lighthizer said.
>>
>> The United States earlier this year put a tariff of 10 per cent on
>> imported aluminum, and 25 per cent on steel, in addition to other
>> targeted measures on foreign-made goods. Other nations hit by those
>> tariffs have launched counter-measures of their own, which so far
>> target $24 billion US worth of American-made goods, but are soon set
>> to increase exponentially.
>>
>> Last week, the U.S. proposed a new round of tariffs on $200 billion US
>> worth of Chinese goods, and China is disputing those tariffs in a WTO
>> complaint of its own, also announced Monday.
>>
>> Trump says he wants a bilateral trade deal with Japan over TPP
>>
>> The WTO is an international body that adjudicates trade disagreements
>> between member nations. Member nations usually adhere to any rulings
>> the WTO finds, but the process can be so slow and cumbersome that many
>> disputes ended up being remedied elsewhere at some point anyway.
>>
>> Cyndee Cherniak, an international trade lawyer at LexSage in Toronto,
>> says it's interesting that the U.S. is choosing to go the WTO route in
>> this case, since the country has been dragging its foot on updates
>> that would enhance the agency's power to mediate trade squabbles.
>>
>> Trump revs up Harley-Davidson fight into second day
>>
>> The U.S. has stopped appointing people to the appellate body of the
>> WTO that would allow it to handle more cases, more quickly, she said.
>>
>> "The U.S. is making it impossible for there to be a final decision on
>> the five cases they just brought."
>>
>> The reason for that, she suggested, is a more sinister motive at play.
>>
>> "Without a functioning court, they can do whatever they want, because
>> there's no one there to tell them they can't do it."
>>
>> "We are caught in a litigation limbo," said Cherniak.
>>
>>
>> ---------- Original message ----------
>> From: David Amos <motomaniac333@gmail.com>
>> Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2018 11:04:21 -0400
>> Subject: Fwd: I bet Rotten Ralphy Goodale and Caroline Mulroney know why
>> I will contact Doug Ford's Attorney General as soon as I know who it is
>> N'esy Pas?
>> To: marc.maillet@rcmp-grc.gc.ca
>> Cc: David Amos <david.raymond.amos@gmail.com>
>>
>>
>>
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: Kevin Leahy <kevin.leahy@rcmp-grc.gc.ca>
>> Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2018 07:37:19 -0400
>> Subject: Re: Fwd: I bet Rotten Ralphy Goodale and Caroline Mulroney know
>> why I will contact Doug Ford's Attorney General as soon as I know who it is
>> N'esy Pas?
>> To: David Amos <motomaniac333@gmail.com>
>>
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>> Feel free to resend your email after the 16th of July at which time I
>> will be happy to respond. Should an urgency require you to get in
>> touch with me during this period S/Sgt Maillet will be happy to relay
>> a message. Enjoy the start of summer!
>>
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>> ---------- Original message ----------
>> From: "Fitch, Leanne" <leanne.fitch@fredericton.ca>
>> Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2018 11:50:50 +0000
>> Subject: Automatic reply: Somebody say Hey to the former Attorney General
>> Greggy Baby Byrne for me will ya He don't call he dn't write since he,
>> your pal
>> Woodside and YOU made the big Faux Pas in 2004 N'esy Pas Chucky Leblanc
>> To: David Amos <motomaniac333@gmail.com>
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>> ---------- Original message ----------
>> From: Premier of Ontario | Premier ministre de l’Ontario
>> <Premier@ontario.ca>
>> Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2018 11:25:48 +0000
>> Subject: Automatic reply: I bet Rotten Ralphy Goodale and Caroline Mulroney
>> know why I will contact Doug Ford's Attorney General as soon as I know
>> who it is N'esy Pas?
>> To: David Amos <motomaniac333@gmail.com>
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>> ---------- Original message ----------
>> From: Caroline Mulroney <caroline@carolinemulroney.ca>
>> Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2018 04:25:48 -0700
>> Subject: Thank you for your message! Re: I bet Rotten Ralphy Goodale and
>> Caroline Mulroney know why I will contact Doug Ford's Attorney General as
>> soon as I know who it is N'esy Pas?
>> To: motomaniac333@gmail.com
>>
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>>
>> Sunday, 19 November 2017
>>
>> Federal Court of Appeal Finally Makes The BIG Decision And Publishes
>> It Now The Crooks Cannot Take Back Ticket To Try Put My Matter Before
>> The Supreme Court
>>
>> https://decisions.fct-cf.gc.
>>
>>
>> Federal Court of Appeal Decisions
>>
>> Amos v. Canada
>> Court (s) Database
>>
>> Federal Court of Appeal Decisions
>> Date
>>
>> 2017-10-30
>> Neutral citation
>>
>> 2017 FCA 213
>> File numbers
>>
>> A-48-16
>> Date: 20171030
>>
>> Docket: A-48-16
>> Citation: 2017 FCA 213
>> CORAM:
>>
>> WEBB J.A.
>> NEAR J.A.
>> GLEASON J.A.
>>
>>
>> BETWEEN:
>>
>> DAVID RAYMOND AMOS
>> Respondent on the cross-appeal
>> (and formally Appellant)
>>
>> and
>>
>> HER MAJESTY THE QUEEN
>> Appellant on the cross-appeal
>> (and formerly Respondent)
>> Heard at Fredericton, New Brunswick, on May 24, 2017.
>> Judgment delivered at Ottawa, Ontario, on October 30, 2017.
>> REASONS FOR JUDGMENT BY:
>>
>> THE COURT
>>
>> Date: 20171030
>>
>> Docket: A-48-16
>> Citation: 2017 FCA 213
>> CORAM:
>>
>> WEBB J.A.
>> NEAR J.A.
>> GLEASON J.A.
>>
>>
>> BETWEEN:
>> DAVID RAYMOND AMOS
>> Respondent on the cross-appeal
>> (and formally Appellant)
>> and
>> HER MAJESTY THE QUEEN
>> Appellant on the cross-appeal
>> (and formerly Respondent)
>> REASONS FOR JUDGMENT BY THE COURT
>>
>> I. Introduction
>>
>> [1] On September 16, 2015, David Raymond Amos (Mr. Amos)
>> filed a 53-page Statement of Claim (the Claim) in Federal Court
>> against Her Majesty the Queen (the Crown). Mr. Amos claims $11 million
>> in damages and a public apology from the Prime Minister and Provincial
>> Premiers for being illegally barred from accessing parliamentary
>> properties and seeks a declaration from the Minister of Public Safety
>> that the Canadian Government will no longer allow the Royal Canadian
>> Mounted Police (RCMP) and Canadian Forces to harass him and his clan
>> (Claim at para. 96).
>>
>>
>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>> From: David Amos motomaniac333@gmail.com
>>> Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2017 09:32:09 -0400
>>> Subject: Attn Integrity Commissioner Alexandre Deschênes, Q.C.,
>>> To: coi@gnb.ca
>>> Cc: david.raymond.amos@gmail.com
>>>
>>> Good Day Sir
>>>
>>> After I heard you speak on CBC I called your office again and managed
>>> to speak to one of your staff for the first time
>>>
>>> Please find attached the documents I promised to send to the lady who
>>> answered the phone this morning. Please notice that not after the Sgt
>>> at Arms took the documents destined to your office his pal Tanker
>>> Malley barred me in writing with an "English" only document.
>>>
>>> These are the hearings and the dockets in Federal Court that I
>>> suggested that you study closely.
>>>
>>> This is the docket in Federal Court
>>>
>>> http://cas-cdc-www02.cas-satj.
>>>
>>> These are digital recordings of the last three hearings
>>>
>>> Dec 14th https://archive.org/details/
>>>
>>> January 11th, 2016 https://archive.org/details/
>>>
>>> April 3rd, 2017
>>>
>>> https://archive.org/details/
>>>
>>>
>>> This is the docket in the Federal Court of Appeal
>>>
>>> http://cas-cdc-www02.cas-satj.
>>>
>>>
>>> The only hearing thus far
>>>
>>> May 24th, 2017
>>>
>>> https://archive.org/details/
>>>
>>>
>>> This Judge understnds the meaning of the word Integrity
>>>
>>> Date: 20151223
>>>
>>> Docket: T-1557-15
>>>
>>> Fredericton, New Brunswick, December 23, 2015
>>>
>>> PRESENT: The Honourable Mr. Justice Bell
>>>
>>> BETWEEN:
>>>
>>> DAVID RAYMOND AMOS
>>>
>>> Plaintiff
>>>
>>> and
>>>
>>> HER MAJESTY THE QUEEN
>>>
>>> Defendant
>>>
>>> ORDER
>>>
>>> (Delivered orally from the Bench in Fredericton, New Brunswick, on
>>> December 14, 2015)
>>>
>>> The Plaintiff seeks an appeal de novo, by way of motion pursuant to
>>> the Federal Courts Rules (SOR/98-106), from an Order made on November
>>> 12, 2015, in which Prothonotary Morneau struck the Statement of Claim
>>> in its entirety.
>>>
>>> At the outset of the hearing, the Plaintiff brought to my attention a
>>> letter dated September 10, 2004, which he sent to me, in my then
>>> capacity as Past President of the New Brunswick Branch of the Canadian
>>> Bar Association, and the then President of the Branch, Kathleen Quigg,
>>> (now a Justice of the New Brunswick Court of Appeal). In that letter
>>> he stated:
>>>
>>> As for your past President, Mr. Bell, may I suggest that you check the
>>> work of Frank McKenna before I sue your entire law firm including you.
>>> You are your brother’s keeper.
>>>
>>> Frank McKenna is the former Premier of New Brunswick and a former
>>> colleague of mine at the law firm of McInnes Cooper. In addition to
>>> expressing an intention to sue me, the Plaintiff refers to a number of
>>> people in his Motion Record who he appears to contend may be witnesses
>>> or potential parties to be added. Those individuals who are known to
>>> me personally, include, but are not limited to the former Prime
>>> Minister of Canada, The Right Honourable Stephen Harper; former
>>> Attorney General of Canada and now a Justice of the Manitoba Court of
>>> Queen’s Bench, Vic Toews; former member of Parliament Rob Moore;
>>> former Director of Policing Services, the late Grant Garneau; former
>>> Chief of the Fredericton Police Force, Barry McKnight; former Staff
>>> Sergeant Danny Copp; my former colleagues on the New Brunswick Court
>>> of Appeal, Justices Bradley V. Green and Kathleen Quigg, and, retired
>>> Assistant Commissioner Wayne Lang of the Royal Canadian Mounted
>>> Police.
>>>
>>> In the circumstances, given the threat in 2004 to sue me in my
>>> personal capacity and my past and present relationship with many
>>> potential witnesses and/or potential parties to the litigation, I am
>>> of the view there would be a reasonable apprehension of bias should I
>>> hear this motion. See Justice de Grandpré’s dissenting judgment in
>>> Committee for Justice and Liberty et al v National Energy Board et al,
>>> [1978] 1 SCR 369 at p 394 for the applicable test regarding
>>> allegations of bias. In the circumstances, although neither party has
>>> requested I recuse myself, I consider it appropriate that I do so.
>>>
>>>
>>> AS A RESULT OF MY RECUSAL, THIS COURT ORDERS that the Administrator of
>>> the Court schedule another date for the hearing of the motion. There
>>> is no order as to costs.
>>>
>>> “B. Richard Bell”
>>> Judge
>>>
>>>
>>> Below after the CBC article about your concerns (I made one comment
>>> already) you will find the text of just two of many emails I had sent
>>> to your office over the years since I first visited it in 2006.
>>>
>>> I noticed that on July 30, 2009, he was appointed to the the Court
>>> Martial Appeal Court of Canada Perhaps you should scroll to the
>>> bottom of this email ASAP and read the entire Paragraph 83 of my
>>> lawsuit now before the Federal Court of Canada?
>>>
>>> "FYI This is the text of the lawsuit that should interest Trudeau the
>>> most
>>>
>>>
>>> ---------- Original message ----------
>>> From: justin.trudeau.a1@parl.gc.ca
>>> Date: Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 8:18 PM
>>> Subject: Réponse automatique : RE My complaint against the CROWN in
>>> Federal Court Attn David Hansen and Peter MacKay If you planning to
>>> submit a motion for a publication ban on my complaint trust that you
>>> dudes are way past too late
>>> To: david.raymond.amos@gmail.com
>>>
>>> Veuillez noter que j'ai changé de courriel. Vous pouvez me rejoindre à
>>> lalanthier@hotmail.com
>>>
>>> Pour rejoindre le bureau de M. Trudeau veuillez envoyer un courriel à
>>> tommy.desfosses@parl.gc.ca
>>>
>>> Please note that I changed email address, you can reach me at
>>> lalanthier@hotmail.com
>>>
>>> To reach the office of Mr. Trudeau please send an email to
>>> tommy.desfosses@parl.gc.ca
>>>
>>> Thank you,
>>>
>>> Merci ,
>>>
>>>
>>> http://davidraymondamos3.
>>>
>>>
>>> 83. The Plaintiff states that now that Canada is involved in more war
>>> in Iraq again it did not serve Canadian interests and reputation to
>>> allow Barry Winters to publish the following words three times over
>>> five years after he began his bragging:
>>>
>>> January 13, 2015
>>> This Is Just AS Relevant Now As When I wrote It During The Debate
>>>
>>> December 8, 2014
>>> Why Canada Stood Tall!
>>>
>>> Friday, October 3, 2014
>>> Little David Amos’ “True History Of War” Canadian Airstrikes And
>>> Stupid Justin Trudeau
>>>
>>> Canada’s and Canadians free ride is over. Canada can no longer hide
>>> behind Amerka’s and NATO’s skirts.
>>>
>>> When I was still in Canadian Forces then Prime Minister Jean Chretien
>>> actually committed the Canadian Army to deploy in the second campaign
>>> in Iraq, the Coalition of the Willing. This was against or contrary to
>>> the wisdom or advice of those of us Canadian officers that were
>>> involved in the initial planning phases of that operation. There were
>>> significant concern in our planning cell, and NDHQ about of the dearth
>>> of concern for operational guidance, direction, and forces for
>>> operations after the initial occupation of Iraq. At the “last minute”
>>> Prime Minister Chretien and the Liberal government changed its mind.
>>> The Canadian government told our amerkan cousins that we would not
>>> deploy combat troops for the Iraq campaign, but would deploy a
>>> Canadian Battle Group to Afghanistan, enabling our amerkan cousins to
>>> redeploy troops from there to Iraq. The PMO’s thinking that it was
>>> less costly to deploy Canadian Forces to Afghanistan than Iraq. But
>>> alas no one seems to remind the Liberals of Prime Minister Chretien’s
>>> then grossly incorrect assumption. Notwithstanding Jean Chretien’s
>>> incompetence and stupidity, the Canadian Army was heroic,
>>> professional, punched well above it’s weight, and the PPCLI Battle
>>> Group, is credited with “saving Afghanistan” during the Panjway
>>> campaign of 2006.
>>>
>>> What Justin Trudeau and the Liberals don’t tell you now, is that then
>>> Liberal Prime Minister Jean Chretien committed, and deployed the
>>> Canadian army to Canada’s longest “war” without the advice, consent,
>>> support, or vote of the Canadian Parliament.
>>>
>>> What David Amos and the rest of the ignorant, uneducated, and babbling
>>> chattering classes are too addled to understand is the deployment of
>>> less than 75 special operations troops, and what is known by planners
>>> as a “six pac cell” of fighter aircraft is NOT the same as a
>>> deployment of a Battle Group, nor a “war” make.
>>>
>>> The Canadian Government or The Crown unlike our amerkan cousins have
>>> the “constitutional authority” to commit the Canadian nation to war.
>>> That has been recently clearly articulated to the Canadian public by
>>> constitutional scholar Phillippe Legasse. What Parliament can do is
>>> remove “confidence” in The Crown’s Government in a “vote of
>>> non-confidence.” That could not happen to the Chretien Government
>>> regarding deployment to Afghanistan, and it won’t happen in this
>>> instance with the conservative majority in The Commons regarding a
>>> limited Canadian deployment to the Middle East.
>>>
>>> President George Bush was quite correct after 911 and the terror
>>> attacks in New York; that the Taliban “occupied” and “failed state”
>>> Afghanistan was the source of logistical support, command and control,
>>> and training for the Al Quaeda war of terror against the world. The
>>> initial defeat, and removal from control of Afghanistan was vital and
>>>
>>> P.S. Whereas this CBC article is about your opinion of the actions of
>>> the latest Minister Of Health trust that Mr Boudreau and the CBC have
>>> had my files for many years and the last thing they are is ethical.
>>> Ask his friends Mr Murphy and the RCMP if you don't believe me.
>>>
>>> Subject:
>>> Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 12:02:35 -0400
>>> From: "Murphy, Michael B. \(DH/MS\)" MichaelB.Murphy@gnb.ca
>>> To: motomaniac_02186@yahoo.com
>>>
>>> January 30, 2007
>>>
>>> WITHOUT PREJUDICE
>>>
>>> Mr. David Amos
>>>
>>> Dear Mr. Amos:
>>>
>>> This will acknowledge receipt of a copy of your e-mail of December 29,
>>> 2006 to Corporal Warren McBeath of the RCMP.
>>>
>>> Because of the nature of the allegations made in your message, I have
>>> taken the measure of forwarding a copy to Assistant Commissioner Steve
>>> Graham of the RCMP “J” Division in Fredericton.
>>>
>>> Sincerely,
>>>
>>> Honourable Michael B. Murphy
>>> Minister of Health
>>>
>>> CM/cb
>>>
>>>
>>> Warren McBeath warren.mcbeath@rcmp-grc.gc.ca wrote:
>>>
>>> Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 17:34:53 -0500
>>> From: "Warren McBeath" warren.mcbeath@rcmp-grc.gc.ca
>>> To: kilgoursite@ca.inter.net, MichaelB.Murphy@gnb.ca,
>>> nada.sarkis@gnb.ca, wally.stiles@gnb.ca, dwatch@web.net,
>>> motomaniac_02186@yahoo.com
>>> CC: ottawa@chuckstrahl.com, riding@chuckstrahl.com,John.
>>> Oda.B@parl.gc.ca,"Bev BUSSON" bev.busson@rcmp-grc.gc.ca,
>>> "Paul Dube" PAUL.DUBE@rcmp-grc.gc.ca
>>> Subject: Re: Remember me Kilgour? Landslide Annie McLellan has
>>> forgotten me but the crooks within the RCMP have not
>>>
>>> Dear Mr. Amos,
>>>
>>> Thank you for your follow up e-mail to me today. I was on days off
>>> over the holidays and returned to work this evening. Rest assured I
>>> was not ignoring or procrastinating to respond to your concerns.
>>>
>>> As your attachment sent today refers from Premier Graham, our position
>>> is clear on your dead calf issue: Our forensic labs do not process
>>> testing on animals in cases such as yours, they are referred to the
>>> Atlantic Veterinary College in Charlottetown who can provide these
>>> services. If you do not choose to utilize their expertise in this
>>> instance, then that is your decision and nothing more can be done.
>>>
>>> As for your other concerns regarding the US Government, false
>>> imprisonment and Federal Court Dates in the US, etc... it is clear
>>> that Federal authorities are aware of your concerns both in Canada
>>> the US. These issues do not fall into the purvue of Detachment
>>> and policing in Petitcodiac, NB.
>>>
>>> It was indeed an interesting and informative conversation we had on
>>> December 23rd, and I wish you well in all of your future endeavors.
>>>
>>> Sincerely,
>>>
>>> Warren McBeath, Cpl.
>>> GRC Caledonia RCMP
>>> Traffic Services NCO
>>> Ph: (506) 387-2222
>>> Fax: (506) 387-4622
>>> E-mail warren.mcbeath@rcmp-grc.gc.ca
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Alexandre Deschênes, Q.C.,
>>> Office of the Integrity Commissioner
>>> Edgecombe House, 736 King Street
>>> Fredericton, N.B. CANADA E3B 5H1
>>> tel.: 506-457-7890
>>> fax: 506-444-5224
>>> e-mail:coi@gnb.ca
>>>
https://twitter.com/DavidRayAmos/with_replies
David Raymond Amos @DavidRayAmos
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/nafta-trump-compromise-trudeau-1.4806240
Freeland calls for 'flexibility' as NAFTA talks break for weekend
Trump alerts Congress of U.S. trade deal with Mexico and Canada, 'if it is willing'
· CBC News · Posted: Aug 31, 2018 12:05 PM ET9376 Comments
Commenting is now closed for this story.
Justin Thyme
Methinks Mexico might wish that they too had taken a bit more time to negotiate. Could they have gotten a better deal, too?
Mexico will not sign as long as there is a possibility any NAFTA deal that includes Canada could be a sweeter one.
We will wait and see what the stock market does.
Mexico will not sign as long as there is a possibility any NAFTA deal that includes Canada could be a sweeter one.
We will wait and see what the stock market does.
David R. Amos
@Justin Thyme Methinks CBC revealed this week byway of a former deputy foreign minister that Mexico made a strategic decision for the benefit of their incoming president N'esy Pas?
https://www.cbc.ca/radio/asithappens/as-it-happens-thursday-edition-1.4804739/a-serious-mistake-mexico-was-wrong-to-abandon-canada-in-nafta-talks-says-ex-minister-1.4805330
"I think, and this is probably the most unfortunate part of all of this, that this was done for political expediency by the current Mexican president and his administration to be able to be the one to sign the agreement rather than the new government.
I think this was also, by the way, politically expedient for the new government because they wouldn't have to bear the political cost for signing an agreement with which they had really not been directly involved or participated in most of the negotiations.
But that to me is a serious mistake. I don't think that this agreement, trilaterally, would be ready for signature to the legislative branches of the three countries by Friday."
Kent Right
WAKE UP FOLKS
Trump does not control the NAFTA talks
He is catering to his followers
$ dead lines ignored proves it
Trump does not control the NAFTA talks
He is catering to his followers
$ dead lines ignored proves it
David R. Amos
If folks truly care about NAFTA etc. I hope they Google the following and ask their MPs and MLAs some serious questions ASAPtrump cohen david amos nafta fatca tpp
and
Robert Lighthizer David Amos
Kent Right
@David R. Amos
your local MP is not in charge of NAFTA and what goes on during the talks
your local MP is not in charge of NAFTA and what goes on during the talks
David R. Amos
@Kent Right All the MLAs
represent Dairy Farmers, Woodlot owners and everyone else affected by
NAFTA at a local level. Remember the Feds were going to confer with the
Premiers before they made a deal last week?
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David R. Amos
I am running in the riding of Fundy again in the New Brunswick election. Remember Chrystia Freeland was going to confer with the Premiers before she made a deal last week? All the MLAs represent Dairy Farmers, Woodlot owners and everyone else affected by NAFTA at a local level. If folks truly care about NAFTA etc. I hope they Google the following and ask their MPs and MLAs some serious questions ASAP
trump cohen david amos nafta fatca tpp
and
Robert Lighthizer David Amos
This is from a story that appeared in the Kings County Record June 22, 2004
The Unconventional Candidate
By Gisele McKnight
"FUNDY—He has a pack of cigarettes in his shirt pocket, a chain on his wallet, a beard at least a foot long, 60 motorcycles and a cell phone that rings to the tune of "Yankee Doodle."
Meet the latest addition to the Fundy ballot—David Amos. The independent candidate lives in Milton, Massachusetts with his wife and two children, but his place of residence does not stop him from running for office in Canada."
"Amos, 52, is running for political office because of his dissatisfaction with politicians. "I've become aware of much corruption involving our two countries," he said. "The only way to fix corruption is in the political forum."
"What he's fighting for is the discussion of issues – tainted blood, the exploitation of the Maritimes' gas and oil reserves and NAFTA, to name a few.
"The political issues in the Maritimes involve the three Fs – fishing, farming and forestry, but they forget foreign issues," he said. "I'm death on NAFTA, the back room deals and free trade. I say chuck it (NAFTA) out the window.
NAFTA is the North American Free Trade Agreement which allows an easier flow of goods between Canada, the United States and Mexico."
John Faught
Canada has been going downhill since the first trudeau and his Charter.
I don't think we have reached bottom yet.
Confederation is not working.
I don't think we have reached bottom yet.
Confederation is not working.
David R. Amos
@John Faught "Canada has been going downhill since the first trudeau and his Charter"
I agree but methinks our decline began when Trudeau the Elder and his cronies ignored the Bank of Canada's mandate and started borrowing on our behalf from the banksters. The Charter has nearly sunk the Province of New Brunswick because we have no Constitution whatsoever to defend ourselves with like the Trudeau's home province does N'esy Pas?.
I agree but methinks our decline began when Trudeau the Elder and his cronies ignored the Bank of Canada's mandate and started borrowing on our behalf from the banksters. The Charter has nearly sunk the Province of New Brunswick because we have no Constitution whatsoever to defend ourselves with like the Trudeau's home province does N'esy Pas?.
Debby Russell
While I have little doubt
that Freeland is a VERY intelligent women ( and would be seen as even
MORE intelligent were she not forced to follow the whims of the Trust
Fund Baby who hasn't the slightest clue on foreign affairs or trade in
particular) I often wonder why ( as an oft seen public face for Canada)
she does nothing to her face to " take the edge off?"As shown in the
picture above, she could easily wander onto the set of any " Walking
Dead " shoot...and fit right in.
JOHN CHUCKMAN
@Debby Russell Yes, she could.
But I don't how that has anything to do with Trudeau.
Indeed, some people reveal a good deal about themselves in their appearance and expressions, and I strongly think this is true Freeland.
But I don't how that has anything to do with Trudeau.
Indeed, some people reveal a good deal about themselves in their appearance and expressions, and I strongly think this is true Freeland.
David R. Amos
@Debby Russell If Freeland is
such an intelligent woman why would she follow any order that she know
are wrong? More importantly why did she ignore my emails and phone calls
from the time before she won a by-election and took a seat in the 41st
Parliament?
David R. Amos
@JOHN CHUCKMAN Whys has Trudeau ignored my lawsuit that was filed when Harper was the PM?
Charles Brody
I'm with Trudeau and Freeland
on this. In fact, the ball's in our court and the pressure is on Trump
to make a deal. He'd look an absolute dill if he cannot. Our economies
and cultures are too closely enmeshed for him to walk away.
Clayton Delaney
@David Speed WOW! Where did you get your data? Here is a more accurate picture:
Canada is currently the 2nd largest goods trading partner with the USA with $581.6 billion in total (two way) goods trade during 2017. Goods exported from the USA to Canada totaled $282.3 billion; goods imported from Canada to the USA totaled $299.3 billion. The U.S. goods trade deficit with Canada was $17.1 billion in 2017.
Canada is currently the 2nd largest goods trading partner with the USA with $581.6 billion in total (two way) goods trade during 2017. Goods exported from the USA to Canada totaled $282.3 billion; goods imported from Canada to the USA totaled $299.3 billion. The U.S. goods trade deficit with Canada was $17.1 billion in 2017.
David R. Amos
@Charles Brody "In fact, the ball's in our court and the pressure is on Trump to make a deal."
Methinks its been revealed that the Toronto Star is far more clued into what Trump's plan is than Trudeau or Freeland are N'esy Pas?
Methinks its been revealed that the Toronto Star is far more clued into what Trump's plan is than Trudeau or Freeland are N'esy Pas?
Charles Brody
@Clayton Delaney
Thank you, Clayton.
Thank you, Clayton.
David R. Amos
@John Francis Dooley Now at the end of the day the title of the is article is changed???
'At least Canada knows where I stand': Trump admits saying U.S. won't budge in NAFTA talks
'At least Canada knows where I stand': Trump admits saying U.S. won't budge in NAFTA talks
Clayton Delaney
@David R. Amos
Please David, if you're going to use French words, get them right. The phrase you want is "n'est-ce pas" which literally translates to "is it not?", or sometimes simply "n'est pas". Droite!
Please David, if you're going to use French words, get them right. The phrase you want is "n'est-ce pas" which literally translates to "is it not?", or sometimes simply "n'est pas". Droite!
David R. Amos
@Clayton Delaney Methinks if
you think you know so much you should come down to Fundy before Sept 4th
and put you name on the ballot against me in this election Then we can
argue in Chiac in front of a bunch of my fellow Maritimers N'esy Pas?
David R. Amos
@Charles Brody Now the title has changed again even though Canada did not meet Trump's deadline N'esy Pas?
NAFTA talks break off, expected to resume next week
NAFTA talks break off, expected to resume next week
David R. Amos
@Troy Mann "we have one of the best representing us"
NOPE
NOPE
David R. Amos
@Louren Organzo "You don't
get it, Trump doesn't care what it costs America, that is not relevant
to him. All he wants is to be able to be called the winner."
True
True
Elizabeth Brown
Douglas Drouin
Jon Holmes
Time to walk away. Trump and his negotiators cannot be trusted so we have nothing to lose.
Perry Best
@Elizabeth Brown "we have nothing to lose"
Canadian auto workers disagree with you vehemently!
Canadian auto workers disagree with you vehemently!
Ted Wach
@Perry Best It is easy for
the likes of Elizabeth to throw other Canadians under the bus in order
to push personal agendas. Just like Justin.
Michael Murphy
@Ted Wach Walking away means we're left with the current NAFTA
Trump has not given Congress the 6 months notice to withdraw
Trump has not given Congress the 6 months notice to withdraw
Garfield Stephenson Wu
@Elizabeth Brown Yup. Like I
said, it's long overdue for us to cut our losses and up our nose at the
US. The US and Mexico can have their cake and eat it, too. We don't need
to sign onto a deal that will definitely have dire consequences to our
sovereignty by having us give up Chapter 19 and supply management.
David Allan
@Elizabeth Brown
Don't walk away.
Keep at it. Demonstrate a willingness to do the work and get a deal done.
Let Trump be the one to stop negotiations.
Let it be his fault.
Don't walk away.
Keep at it. Demonstrate a willingness to do the work and get a deal done.
Let Trump be the one to stop negotiations.
Let it be his fault.
John Simmons
@Elizabeth Brown YES, trust the Mexicans, they will take of us...
Brenton Siddons
@Elizabeth Brown ....only the Ontario auto industry ...and a few thousand jobs....
Alex Forbes
@Elizabeth Brown Trudeau cannot be trusted. How many promises has he broken?
Bob Fuchs
@Elizabeth Brown
I disagree that we should walk away. As long as the U.S. is willing to talk, we should keep talking. But we should also make it clear that we will only accept a deal that is reasonable for Canada.
Tearing up NAFTA and signing a bilateral deal with Mexico would mean Trump would have to go to war with Congress, including many Republicans, and that is highly unlikely to happen with an election looming. There's far more pressure on Trump to get a deal done than he's letting on. I wouldn't be surprised if the White House leaked his "off the record" comments to try to increase the negotiating pressure
I disagree that we should walk away. As long as the U.S. is willing to talk, we should keep talking. But we should also make it clear that we will only accept a deal that is reasonable for Canada.
Tearing up NAFTA and signing a bilateral deal with Mexico would mean Trump would have to go to war with Congress, including many Republicans, and that is highly unlikely to happen with an election looming. There's far more pressure on Trump to get a deal done than he's letting on. I wouldn't be surprised if the White House leaked his "off the record" comments to try to increase the negotiating pressure
Michael Furmaniak
@Elizabeth Brown LOL (nothing to lose)
colin smith
@Elizabeth Brown
It's not that they can't be trusted. Trump say what he thinks the audience wants to hear. Different audience different statement even if said statement contradict each other. He just calls it fake news and denies it when one side calls him out on it.
This behavior is all talk. Trump negotiating. A negotiating teams is. They will come up with deal that Trump will sign and he rhetoric is just words nothing more.
It's not that they can't be trusted. Trump say what he thinks the audience wants to hear. Different audience different statement even if said statement contradict each other. He just calls it fake news and denies it when one side calls him out on it.
This behavior is all talk. Trump negotiating. A negotiating teams is. They will come up with deal that Trump will sign and he rhetoric is just words nothing more.
David R. Amos
@Elizabeth Brown Welcome to the Circus
Ray Stas
Ian MacDonald
Colin Gourlay
Dax Randall
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/nafta-talks-guide-1.4804856
"Canada's federal election is a year out. But a large loss for the dairy industry could be expensive for Finance Minister Bill Morneau's pre-election budget: the Harper government's concessions in TPP came with a compensation pledge of over $4 billion. Provincial elections are also on in New Brunswick and Quebec, where a big dairy concession would be big news."
Dax Randall
Cameron. Smith
@Elizabeth Brown
Amazing that all of this turmoil could have been prevented long ago. BUT WASN'T,
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/trump-trudeau-bilateral-nafta-1.4350899
Why you ask,
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/nafta-mulroney-guajardo-freeland-1.3992043
With the typical outcome of,
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/nafta-us-mexico-progress-monday-1.4800182
Nationalism above globalism!
Amazing that all of this turmoil could have been prevented long ago. BUT WASN'T,
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/trump-trudeau-bilateral-nafta-1.4350899
Why you ask,
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/nafta-mulroney-guajardo-freeland-1.3992043
With the typical outcome of,
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/nafta-us-mexico-progress-monday-1.4800182
Nationalism above globalism!
Al Krebs
@Elizabeth Brown
Let's look signing a deal after Dirty Donald goes to jail. It would be great if
we could make it a condition of the agreement...
Let's look signing a deal after Dirty Donald goes to jail. It would be great if
we could make it a condition of the agreement...
Jim Palmer
@Elizabeth Brown
Nah, no need to 'walk' at this point; as per "Freeland said Canada is making progress but will only sign a new agreement if it benefits Canada and Canadians".
'Stay the course', Freeland & Team. You can always 'walk' right up to the point before 'signing'.
Nah, no need to 'walk' at this point; as per "Freeland said Canada is making progress but will only sign a new agreement if it benefits Canada and Canadians".
'Stay the course', Freeland & Team. You can always 'walk' right up to the point before 'signing'.
David R. Amos
@Elizabeth Brown Methinks you agree that sometimes less is more N'esy Pas?
Ray Stas
Canada shall never cave to the demands of a demagogue. Do it only once and they own you.
David R. Amos
@Ray Stas "Canada shall never cave to the demands of a demagogue"
Methinks it would not be wise to bet the farm on your opinion N'esy Pas?
Methinks it would not be wise to bet the farm on your opinion N'esy Pas?
Ian MacDonald
How is it a negotiation if one side won't compromise?
Trump is attempting to hold our economy hostage.
Trump is attempting to hold our economy hostage.
David R. Amos
@Ian MacDonald "Trump is attempting to hold our economy hostage."
Methinks that was rather obvious out of the gate N'esy Pas?
Methinks that was rather obvious out of the gate N'esy Pas?
Barry Bondar
So, as noted by many of you
... the negotiations with the tRump administration were just a scam ...
tRump need an enemy to energize his base for Nov. & JT & CAD are
the enemy of choice ... so, batten down the hatches & get ready for
a stormy period ...
David R. Amos
@Barry Bondar "so, batten down the hatches & get ready for a stormy period"
Methinks that has been duly noted as well N'esy Pas?
Methinks that has been duly noted as well N'esy Pas?
Douglas Drouin
Trump effectively admitted he
is threatening and bullying Canada to get his way. Whether you agree
with Trudeau or not you cannot call yourself a proud Canadian and
support Trump or the failure of this government.
Recent IPSOS polls show that a majority of Canadians support the stance the government has taken in these negotiations and like it or not we cannot allow the US to dictate what we as a nation will do because of the unpredictable and childish us president
Recent IPSOS polls show that a majority of Canadians support the stance the government has taken in these negotiations and like it or not we cannot allow the US to dictate what we as a nation will do because of the unpredictable and childish us president
Nick Hensler
@Douglas Drouin
Today the Russian mole asks for Diary and Chapter 19.
Give it.
4 years, and he will come for healthcare and ask for privatization. No universal care. American companies need access!!!
Today the Russian mole asks for Diary and Chapter 19.
Give it.
4 years, and he will come for healthcare and ask for privatization. No universal care. American companies need access!!!
Matt Bryson
@Nick Hensler
While I agree with the substance of what you said, I can't take anyone seriously that calls Trump "a Russian mole". Even if it were proven that he colluded with Russia (which it has yet to be proven), that is a far cry from being a Russian mole. And considering how America is dealing with Russia since Trump became president, there is ZERO evidence to show he is doing their bidding. But facts, who needs them?
While I agree with the substance of what you said, I can't take anyone seriously that calls Trump "a Russian mole". Even if it were proven that he colluded with Russia (which it has yet to be proven), that is a far cry from being a Russian mole. And considering how America is dealing with Russia since Trump became president, there is ZERO evidence to show he is doing their bidding. But facts, who needs them?
David R. Amos
@Matt Bryson I agree
Colin Gourlay
Walk away. Tough it out for 2 years until someone with a brain is sitting in the Whitehouse.
Paul Douglas
@Colin Gourlay
Agreed. And hopefully we also have a new PM.
Agreed. And hopefully we also have a new PM.
David R. Amos
@Wayne West Methinks the one thing the Ringmaster of the US Congress knows for sure is that everybody loves a circus N'esy Pas?
Dax Randall
Canada stands united against Trump.
Cameron. Smith
@Dax Randall
Worldwide liberals do, that's for sure!
Worldwide liberals do, that's for sure!
David R. Amos
@Dax Randall Methinks only the liberals claim that and they are not the majority of Canadians N'esy Pas?
Kathy Altenhofen
@David R. Amos They're the majority in government, n'est pas?
David R. Amos
@Kathy Altenhofen Methinks
everybody knows that I am running in Fundy again against the Liberals et
al for the 6th time. Perhaps over Labour Day weekend your heroes
Chrystia Freeland, Bill Morneau and the Yankee Robert Lighthizer should
review all the documents I have been sending their governments since
2002 when I sued 3 US Treasury Agents twice N'esy Pas?
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/nafta-talks-guide-1.4804856
"Canada's federal election is a year out. But a large loss for the dairy industry could be expensive for Finance Minister Bill Morneau's pre-election budget: the Harper government's concessions in TPP came with a compensation pledge of over $4 billion. Provincial elections are also on in New Brunswick and Quebec, where a big dairy concession would be big news."
Dax Randall
Sorry bots. Canada stands with Freeland.
David Chambers
@Dax Randall
Not a bot here...and I don't.
Not a bot here...and I don't.
David R. Amos
@David Chambers Methinks I should say Me Too N'esy Pas?
Douglas Drouin
Trump cannot do anything
without congressional approval. At all. he cannot leave a trade deal
or ratify a new one. The November electoral midterms are coming to
America very soon. Canada need only sit tight.
David R. Amos
@Douglas Drouin "The November electoral midterms are coming to America very soon. Canada need only sit tight."
YUP
YUP
Jon Holmes
Trump has no honor.
Deal with the "Man" accordingly.
Deal with the "Man" accordingly.
Karen King
@Jon Holmes
or any integrity
or any integrity
David R. Amos
@Jon Holmes Methinks Yankees spell honour funny N'esy Pas?
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David R. Amos
@Karen King Integrity Yea Right
Methinks you don't even know what the word means N'esy Pas?
https://www.scribd.com/doc/2718120/integrity-yea-right
Methinks you don't even know what the word means N'esy Pas?
https://www.scribd.com/doc/2718120/integrity-yea-right
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David R. Amos
@Karen King Integrity Yea Right
Methinks if you knew what I know about the crap the politicians, lawyers and banksters yap about then you would understand what a joke that word is to me when I see a political spin doctor use it in CBC N'esy Pas?
https://www.scribd.com/doc/2718120/integrity-yea-right
Methinks if you knew what I know about the crap the politicians, lawyers and banksters yap about then you would understand what a joke that word is to me when I see a political spin doctor use it in CBC N'esy Pas?
https://www.scribd.com/doc/2718120/integrity-yea-right
David R. Amos
@Karen King Integrity Yea Right
Methinks you should read before your write N'esy Pas?
https://www.scribd.com/doc/2718120/integrity-yea-right
Methinks you should read before your write N'esy Pas?
https://www.scribd.com/doc/2718120/integrity-yea-right
Trudeau, Freeland say Canada won't cave on NAFTA as Trump says he won't make any compromises
Report says U.S. president insisted he won't compromise with Canada in off-the-record remarks
'At least Canada knows where I stand': Trump admits saying U.S. won't budge in NAFTA talks
U.S. President tweets that his off-the-record comment was leaked, 'blatantly' violating pact with news agency
NAFTA talks break off, expected to resume next week
'Talks were constructive, and we made progress,' says U.S. Trade Representative
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https://globalnews.ca/news/4419533/dairy-farmers-nb-nafta/
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Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2018 13:31:17 -0400
Subject: Attn Paul Gaunce As you may know I am running in Fundy again
Go Figure why CBC just blocked my comment about you and your pals in
Global News
To: ddale <ddale@thestar.ca>, Newsroom <Newsroom@globeandmail.com>,
sugarhil@nb.sympatico.ca, "Bill.Oliver" <Bill.Oliver@gnb.ca>,
"blaine.higgs" <blaine.higgs@gnb.ca>, "terry.seguin" <terry.seguin@cbc.ca>,
rjspeer555@gmail.com,
"Ross.Wetmore" <Ross.Wetmore@gnb.ca>,
shoreviewholsteins@gmail.com,
"brian.gallant" <brian.gallant@gnb.ca>,
"hance.colburne" <hance.colburne@cbc.ca>, "darrow.macintyre"
<darrow.macintyre@cbc.ca>
Cc: "Gerald.Butts" <Gerald.Butts@pmo-cpm.gc.ca>,
Cc: "Gerald.Butts" <Gerald.Butts@pmo-cpm.gc.ca>,
"maxime.bernier" <maxime.bernier@parl.gc.ca>,
"elizabeth.may" <elizabeth.may@parl.gc.ca>,
David Amos <david.raymond.amos@gmail.com>
bjanovitz@ustr.eop.gov, jgreer@ustr.eop.gov, svaughn@ustr.eop.gov,
rlighthizer@ustr.eop.gov, jrvanoord@gmail.com, gdaley@nbnet.nb.ca,
bwwoodslane@gmail.com, dykfarm@nbnet.nb.ca, dejongfons@gmail.com,
kayepeter10@gmail.com, deniscyr10@rogers.com
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David R. Amos
@Alec Inglis Methinks you have no clue as to who I am but perhaps the
French and English folks particularly the woodlot owners and the Dairy
Farmers will listen to me this time as I run in this election in Fundy
and talk about NAFTA again N'esy Pas?
https://globalnews.ca/news/
"Paul Gaunce has operated his dairy farm just south of Sussex for 38
years and serves as the chairman for the Dairy Farmers of New
Brunswick. Gaunce has this warning if the Trudeau government bends on
supply management. “We’ll be gone. There will be no milk production in
New Brunswick,” Gaunce states."
On 6/12/18, David Amos <motomaniac333@gmail.com> wrote:
> Paul Gaunce
> Chairman
> Email: sugarhil@nb.sympatico.ca
> Ph: (506) 832-4756
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: David Amos <motomaniac333@gmail.com>
> Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2018 15:16:51 -0400
> Subject: I called and managed to speak to only one of you briefly
> Correct Mr Hargreaves?
> To: sriendeau@cdc-ccl.gc.ca, jennifer.hayes3@canada.ca,
> alistair.johnston@cdc-ccl.gc.
> thargreaves@bcdairy.ca, Danie.Cousineau@cdc-ccl.gc.ca
> Cc: David Amos <david.raymond.amos@gmail.com>
> <mdcohen212@gmail.com>, pm <pm@pm.gc.ca>, "Gerald.Butts"
> <Gerald.Butts@pmo-cpm.gc.ca>, "lawrence.macaulay"
> <lawrence.macaulay@parl.gc.ca>
> <andrew.scheer@parl.gc.ca>, MulcaT <MulcaT@parl.gc.ca>, cullen1
> <cullen1@parl.gc.ca>, "maxime.bernier" <maxime.bernier@parl.gc.ca>,
> "Bill.Casey" <Bill.Casey@parl.gc.ca>, "Karen.Ludwig"
> <Karen.Ludwig@parl.gc.ca>, "brian.gallant" <brian.gallant@gnb.ca>,
> "Dominic.Cardy" <Dominic.Cardy@gnb.ca>, BrianThomasMacdonald
> <BrianThomasMacdonald@gmail.
> <john.williamson@aims.ca>, premier <premier@ontario.ca>, premier
> <premier@gov.ab.ca>, PREMIER <PREMIER@gov.ns.ca>, "wayne.easter"
> <wayne.easter@parl.gc.ca>, premier <premier@gov.sk.ca>,
> bruce.northrup@gnb.ca, ritzg@sasktel.net, mgeist@uottawa.ca,
> dominique.benoit@agropur.com, Chrystia.Freeland.a1@parl.gc.
> "Alaina.Lockhart" <Alaina.Lockhart@parl.gc.ca>
>
> This is the email I promised to send. There is a lot of info within
> the links below
>
>
> http://davidraymondamos3.
>
> Saturday, 9 June 2018
>
> Trump says Canada's dairy farmers killing U.S. agricultural interests
>
> ---------- Original message ----------
> From: Contact Us <contactus+noreply@bcdairy.ca>
> Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2018 20:27:06 +0000
> Subject: Re: I just called Re Trump versus Canadian Dairy Farmers
> To: David Amos <motomaniac333@gmail.com>
>
> Thank you for reaching out! Your e-mail is importance to us and will
> be responded to within 48 hours.
>
> Kind Regards,
> The BC Dairy Team
>
>
> Trevor Hargreaves
> Director of Producer Relations and Communications
> BC Dairy Association
> 604.294.3775 (M-F 9:00- 4:30 PST)
> 604.603.7872 (after-hours)
> 1.800.242.6455 (Toll-free in B.C.)
> thargreaves@bcdairy.ca
>
>
> http://davidraymondamos3.
>
> Saturday, 9 June 2018
>
> YO Bill Morneau Say Hey to Trump's personal lawyer Mikey Cohen
> (646-853-0114) for me will ya?
>
>
> ---------- Original message ----------
> From: "MinFinance / FinanceMin (FIN)"
> <fin.minfinance-financemin.
> Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2018 09:00:28 +0000
> Subject: RE: YO Bill Morneau Say Hey to Trump's personal lawyer Mikey
> Cohen (646-853-0114).for me will ya?
> To: David Amos <motomaniac333@gmail.com>
>
> The Department of Finance acknowledges receipt of your electronic
> correspondence. Please be assured that we appreciate receiving your
> comments.
>
> Le ministère des Finances accuse réception de votre correspondance
> électronique. Soyez assuré(e) que nous apprécions recevoir vos
> commentaires.
>
>
> ---------- Original message ----------
> From: Contact Us <contactus+noreply@bcdairy.ca>
> Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2018 08:19:08 +0000
> Subject: Re: YO Bill Morneau Say Hey to Trump's personal lawyer Mikey
> Cohen (646-853-0114).for me will ya?
> To: David Amos <motomaniac333@gmail.com>
>
> Thank you for reaching out! Your e-mail is importance to us and will
> be responded to within 48 hours.
>
> Kind Regards,
> The BC Dairy Team
>
>
> Perhaps folks will remember me now EH Serge Riendeau?
>
>
bjanovitz@ustr.eop.gov, jgreer@ustr.eop.gov, svaughn@ustr.eop.gov,
rlighthizer@ustr.eop.gov, jrvanoord@gmail.com, gdaley@nbnet.nb.ca,
bwwoodslane@gmail.com, dykfarm@nbnet.nb.ca, dejongfons@gmail.com,
kayepeter10@gmail.com, deniscyr10@rogers.com
https://www.cbc.ca/news/
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David R. Amos
@Alec Inglis Methinks you have no clue as to who I am but perhaps the
French and English folks particularly the woodlot owners and the Dairy
Farmers will listen to me this time as I run in this election in Fundy
and talk about NAFTA again N'esy Pas?
https://globalnews.ca/news/
"Paul Gaunce has operated his dairy farm just south of Sussex for 38
years and serves as the chairman for the Dairy Farmers of New
Brunswick. Gaunce has this warning if the Trudeau government bends on
supply management. “We’ll be gone. There will be no milk production in
New Brunswick,” Gaunce states."
On 6/12/18, David Amos <motomaniac333@gmail.com> wrote:
> Paul Gaunce
> Chairman
> Email: sugarhil@nb.sympatico.ca
> Ph: (506) 832-4756
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: David Amos <motomaniac333@gmail.com>
> Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2018 15:16:51 -0400
> Subject: I called and managed to speak to only one of you briefly
> Correct Mr Hargreaves?
> To: sriendeau@cdc-ccl.gc.ca, jennifer.hayes3@canada.ca,
> alistair.johnston@cdc-ccl.gc.
> thargreaves@bcdairy.ca, Danie.Cousineau@cdc-ccl.gc.ca
> Cc: David Amos <david.raymond.amos@gmail.com>
> <mdcohen212@gmail.com>, pm <pm@pm.gc.ca>, "Gerald.Butts"
> <Gerald.Butts@pmo-cpm.gc.ca>, "lawrence.macaulay"
> <lawrence.macaulay@parl.gc.ca>
> <andrew.scheer@parl.gc.ca>, MulcaT <MulcaT@parl.gc.ca>, cullen1
> <cullen1@parl.gc.ca>, "maxime.bernier" <maxime.bernier@parl.gc.ca>,
> "Bill.Casey" <Bill.Casey@parl.gc.ca>, "Karen.Ludwig"
> <Karen.Ludwig@parl.gc.ca>, "brian.gallant" <brian.gallant@gnb.ca>,
> "Dominic.Cardy" <Dominic.Cardy@gnb.ca>, BrianThomasMacdonald
> <BrianThomasMacdonald@gmail.
> <john.williamson@aims.ca>, premier <premier@ontario.ca>, premier
> <premier@gov.ab.ca>, PREMIER <PREMIER@gov.ns.ca>, "wayne.easter"
> <wayne.easter@parl.gc.ca>, premier <premier@gov.sk.ca>,
> bruce.northrup@gnb.ca, ritzg@sasktel.net, mgeist@uottawa.ca,
> dominique.benoit@agropur.com, Chrystia.Freeland.a1@parl.gc.
> "Alaina.Lockhart" <Alaina.Lockhart@parl.gc.ca>
>
> This is the email I promised to send. There is a lot of info within
> the links below
>
>
> http://davidraymondamos3.
>
> Saturday, 9 June 2018
>
> Trump says Canada's dairy farmers killing U.S. agricultural interests
>
> ---------- Original message ----------
> From: Contact Us <contactus+noreply@bcdairy.ca>
> Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2018 20:27:06 +0000
> Subject: Re: I just called Re Trump versus Canadian Dairy Farmers
> To: David Amos <motomaniac333@gmail.com>
>
> Thank you for reaching out! Your e-mail is importance to us and will
> be responded to within 48 hours.
>
> Kind Regards,
> The BC Dairy Team
>
>
> Trevor Hargreaves
> Director of Producer Relations and Communications
> BC Dairy Association
> 604.294.3775 (M-F 9:00- 4:30 PST)
> 604.603.7872 (after-hours)
> 1.800.242.6455 (Toll-free in B.C.)
> thargreaves@bcdairy.ca
>
>
> http://davidraymondamos3.
>
> Saturday, 9 June 2018
>
> YO Bill Morneau Say Hey to Trump's personal lawyer Mikey Cohen
> (646-853-0114) for me will ya?
>
>
> ---------- Original message ----------
> From: "MinFinance / FinanceMin (FIN)"
> <fin.minfinance-financemin.
> Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2018 09:00:28 +0000
> Subject: RE: YO Bill Morneau Say Hey to Trump's personal lawyer Mikey
> Cohen (646-853-0114).for me will ya?
> To: David Amos <motomaniac333@gmail.com>
>
> The Department of Finance acknowledges receipt of your electronic
> correspondence. Please be assured that we appreciate receiving your
> comments.
>
> Le ministère des Finances accuse réception de votre correspondance
> électronique. Soyez assuré(e) que nous apprécions recevoir vos
> commentaires.
>
>
> ---------- Original message ----------
> From: Contact Us <contactus+noreply@bcdairy.ca>
> Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2018 08:19:08 +0000
> Subject: Re: YO Bill Morneau Say Hey to Trump's personal lawyer Mikey
> Cohen (646-853-0114).for me will ya?
> To: David Amos <motomaniac333@gmail.com>
>
> Thank you for reaching out! Your e-mail is importance to us and will
> be responded to within 48 hours.
>
> Kind Regards,
> The BC Dairy Team
>
>
> Perhaps folks will remember me now EH Serge Riendeau?
>
>
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https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/nafta-talks-guide-1.4804856
What to watch for if the NAFTA talks conclude
Friday may not be Canada's only chance to make a deal, but officials trying
· CBC News · Posted: Aug 31, 2018 4:00 AM ET
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Neil Austen
The massive Conservative
online propaganda machine is on overdrive now. I urge Canadians to
resist knee-jerk emotions and do your own research and check for
reliable sources on things that matter to you. Being educated and
informed is not a crime, it's a patriotic duty. We do not want
Trump-Harper style government in Canada.
Syd Doorman
@Neil Austen
Yes...things like Saudi, and Trans Mountain Pipeline must be some of them right?.....
Too funny.....
Yes...things like Saudi, and Trans Mountain Pipeline must be some of them right?.....
Too funny.....
Alex Matheson
@Syd Doorman
What exactly did Canada do wrong with the Saudis. Freeland called it like it was regarding that backward, terrorist supporting country. But of course they have oil and money so they are top notch in the Con book on who to suck up to.
What exactly did Canada do wrong with the Saudis. Freeland called it like it was regarding that backward, terrorist supporting country. But of course they have oil and money so they are top notch in the Con book on who to suck up to.
Patrick Dool
@Neil Austen How many people
are on you "we" team and are they all anti-Conservative Progressive
Liberals? Are they all anti-capitalist and expect Liberal Government to
take care of your every need?
It's easy to see your dependence on Big Liberal Government and the carbon-taxes they wish to inflict upon Canadians. It's a free trade deal, not a partially protected deal and Supply Management regulated scheme to stop trade because Liberals need to keep their voter base trade agreement.
Trudeau botched the Western pipeline deals and now Canada ships more oil by rail than ever before. That error cost Canada over $12billion in tax money so far. Gone, poof, disappeared. No oil flowing at all.
It's easy to see your dependence on Big Liberal Government and the carbon-taxes they wish to inflict upon Canadians. It's a free trade deal, not a partially protected deal and Supply Management regulated scheme to stop trade because Liberals need to keep their voter base trade agreement.
Trudeau botched the Western pipeline deals and now Canada ships more oil by rail than ever before. That error cost Canada over $12billion in tax money so far. Gone, poof, disappeared. No oil flowing at all.
Syd Doorman
@Alex Matheson
Cost Canadians $1.7 billion in trade due to Freeland's friend whom just so happens to be a newly minted Canadian citizen.....by months...
3,000 associated jobs in London Ontario.....will be gone.....and your point?
Cost Canadians $1.7 billion in trade due to Freeland's friend whom just so happens to be a newly minted Canadian citizen.....by months...
3,000 associated jobs in London Ontario.....will be gone.....and your point?
John Dirlik
@Alex Matheson
"What exactly did Canada do wrong with the Saudis."
Indeed. After years of quiet and discreet diplomacy achieved little, Ottawa resorted to addressing the public directly via twitter.
That Conservatives chose to side with Wahhabis rather than Canada (with John Baird even appearing on Saudi state television to trash Ottawa) is beyond revolting.
"What exactly did Canada do wrong with the Saudis."
Indeed. After years of quiet and discreet diplomacy achieved little, Ottawa resorted to addressing the public directly via twitter.
That Conservatives chose to side with Wahhabis rather than Canada (with John Baird even appearing on Saudi state television to trash Ottawa) is beyond revolting.
Hird Kerry
@Neil Austen
Being educated and informed is not a crime, it's a patriotic duty.
And the more educated and informed a person is, the more likely they are to support the Conservatives.
Being educated and informed is not a crime, it's a patriotic duty.
And the more educated and informed a person is, the more likely they are to support the Conservatives.
John Dirlik
@Hird Kerry
Genuine conservatism is small government, non-intervention, transparency and accountability, the very antithesis of the Conservative Party (or GOP) that simply hijacked the term.
For classical - and superbly written - conservative analysis, check out the "American Conservative."
Genuine conservatism is small government, non-intervention, transparency and accountability, the very antithesis of the Conservative Party (or GOP) that simply hijacked the term.
For classical - and superbly written - conservative analysis, check out the "American Conservative."
Walter Vrbetic
@John Dirlik
And the funniest thing was Baird berating Freeland for saying basically the same thing he did as FM 10 yrs ago.
And the funniest thing was Baird berating Freeland for saying basically the same thing he did as FM 10 yrs ago.
Jim Clark
@Neil Austen you mean
reliable liberal biased sources?News outside this forum from all over
the world is quite telling.Have a look yourself.
Richard Jay
@Neil Austen
I wanted a Trump style government in American and I want one in Canada. We need to end these job stealing Government suing NAFTA type "free trade" agreements. We need out of the Paris Agreements and stop illegal immigration. We need out of the carbon tax scam. We need to do what is good for Canada and Canadians not what's politically correct. We can't NOT do something because a few people might get upset. We can't make new laws and rules to appease minority groups.
So speak for yourself when you say "We do not want Trump-Harper style government in Canada.". Many of us do and we will be getting one very soon.
I wanted a Trump style government in American and I want one in Canada. We need to end these job stealing Government suing NAFTA type "free trade" agreements. We need out of the Paris Agreements and stop illegal immigration. We need out of the carbon tax scam. We need to do what is good for Canada and Canadians not what's politically correct. We can't NOT do something because a few people might get upset. We can't make new laws and rules to appease minority groups.
So speak for yourself when you say "We do not want Trump-Harper style government in Canada.". Many of us do and we will be getting one very soon.
Richard Jay
@Neil Austen
"The massive Conservative online propaganda machine is on overdrive now"
The massive Liberal online propaganda machine has been on overdrive for years. What's wrong with a little competition?
"The massive Conservative online propaganda machine is on overdrive now"
The massive Liberal online propaganda machine has been on overdrive for years. What's wrong with a little competition?
Karen King
@Richard Jay
Huh you forgot about the 12 years under harper
Huh you forgot about the 12 years under harper
John Dirlik
@Neil Austen
"Conservative online propaganda machine.."
Indeed. Funny thing, I would vote Conservative in a heartbeat....if headed by the likes of a Robert Stanfield or a Joe Clark. But a Bernier or Scheer? Scheerly you jest.
I remember Joe Clark getting loudly booed and heckled at a Canadian Jewish Congress event after he raised Israel's abuses during the first Palestinian uprising. Clark calmly looked at his audience and said: "It has been my experience that denying reality does not change reality."
That took courage. Principles. And integrity. Qualities woefully lacking in our current batch of spineless and lacklustre politicians, both Conservative and Liberal.
"Conservative online propaganda machine.."
Indeed. Funny thing, I would vote Conservative in a heartbeat....if headed by the likes of a Robert Stanfield or a Joe Clark. But a Bernier or Scheer? Scheerly you jest.
I remember Joe Clark getting loudly booed and heckled at a Canadian Jewish Congress event after he raised Israel's abuses during the first Palestinian uprising. Clark calmly looked at his audience and said: "It has been my experience that denying reality does not change reality."
That took courage. Principles. And integrity. Qualities woefully lacking in our current batch of spineless and lacklustre politicians, both Conservative and Liberal.
John Young
@Neil Austen
Paranoid?
Paranoid?
David R. Amos
@John Dirlik Well Put Sir
Neil Turv
@Lawrence Aaluuluuq (RedWhite)
You have demonstrated that any extremely partisan individual from any side can cherry pick quotes, over simplify complex situations and use hyperbole to portray their personal opinion as fact and probably create a similar list for any PM in modern times.
You have demonstrated that any extremely partisan individual from any side can cherry pick quotes, over simplify complex situations and use hyperbole to portray their personal opinion as fact and probably create a similar list for any PM in modern times.
Lawrence Aaluuluuq (RedWhite)
@Neil Turv
That's rich, coming from you.
For the record, I would've gladly cheered on Christine Elliot as the Conservative Premier of Ontario.
Instead, your Conservatives chose a bribing drug dealer.
If that makes me a "extremely partisan individual", then so be it.
That's rich, coming from you.
For the record, I would've gladly cheered on Christine Elliot as the Conservative Premier of Ontario.
Instead, your Conservatives chose a bribing drug dealer.
If that makes me a "extremely partisan individual", then so be it.
@Neil Turv "You have demonstrated that any extremely partisan individual from any side can cherry pick quotes"
Methinks that may be the understatement of the day N'esy Pas?
Methinks that may be the understatement of the day N'esy Pas?
Ethan Beaver
@Neil Austen
We had 10 excellent years of Harper. Trump is going to outlast Trudeau,.,bank on it.
We had 10 excellent years of Harper. Trump is going to outlast Trudeau,.,bank on it.
David R. Amos
@Ethan Beaver Methinks you
should Google the name of the Yankee lawyer Robert Lighthizer and mine.
Then if you still doubt my sincerity Google "Harper and Bankers" before
you take your money to any bank N'esy Pas?
David R. Amos
@Ethan Beaver Has the cat got your tongue?
David R. Amos
@Neil Austen "I urge
Canadians to resist knee-jerk emotions and do your own research and
check for reliable sources on things that matter to you. "
https://www.cbc.ca/radio/asithappens/as-it-happens-thursday-edition-1.4804739/a-serious-mistake-mexico-was-wrong-to-abandon-canada-in-nafta-talks-says-ex-minister-1.4805330
'A serious mistake'
"I think, and this is probably the most unfortunate part of all of this, that this was done for political expediency by the current Mexican president and his administration to be able to be the one to sign the agreement rather than the new government.
I think this was also, by the way, politically expedient for the new government because they wouldn't have to bear the political cost for signing an agreement with which they had really not been directly involved or participated in most of the negotiations.
But that to me is a serious mistake. I don't think that this agreement, trilaterally, would be ready for signature to the legislative branches of the three countries by Friday."
https://www.cbc.ca/radio/asithappens/as-it-happens-thursday-edition-1.4804739/a-serious-mistake-mexico-was-wrong-to-abandon-canada-in-nafta-talks-says-ex-minister-1.4805330
'A serious mistake'
"I think, and this is probably the most unfortunate part of all of this, that this was done for political expediency by the current Mexican president and his administration to be able to be the one to sign the agreement rather than the new government.
I think this was also, by the way, politically expedient for the new government because they wouldn't have to bear the political cost for signing an agreement with which they had really not been directly involved or participated in most of the negotiations.
But that to me is a serious mistake. I don't think that this agreement, trilaterally, would be ready for signature to the legislative branches of the three countries by Friday."
David R. Amos
@Neil Austen Continued:
And yet Canada is at that table, apparently, trying to meet a deadline that it was not part of setting. Do you think that the Canadians should be jumping to meet this deadline?
No. I don't. I don't think that Mexicans should be jumping to meet that deadline, nor should the Canadians.
I don't see why we're pushing for something to finish with an artificial deadline that really has nothing to do with us. It has to do really with the U.S.
Now [Trump] wants to finish it before the midterms so that he can send it to his current Congress without worry of what's going to happen at the midterms.
What's the risk of walking away? What are the optics of walking away without a deal?
I don't think that the option is walking away. I think the option is just to continue negotiating until all three countries are satisfied with what they come up with.
Trade negotiations take forever. They're very long and complicated discussions.
Pat Dunne
When you are dealing with the devil you seldom succeed unless you are truly firm to your beliefs.
Americans cannot be trusted to honor an agreement, they will circumvent and manipulate at ever opportunity.
Canada needs to ensure conflict resolution is outside American courts.
Americans cannot be trusted to honor an agreement, they will circumvent and manipulate at ever opportunity.
Canada needs to ensure conflict resolution is outside American courts.
John Sollows
@Pat Dunne
Codicil to your first point (and amen to it):
Holding to your beliefs creates pain, but only in the sort-term. Caving creates longer-term problems.
Codicil to your first point (and amen to it):
Holding to your beliefs creates pain, but only in the sort-term. Caving creates longer-term problems.
Paul Douglas
@Pat Dunne
Unfortunately both Canada and the US have poor leadership. Hopefully things will improve.
Unfortunately both Canada and the US have poor leadership. Hopefully things will improve.
Andrew Hebda (NS)
@Pat Dunne
We have many examples of governments not being trusted to live up to signed agreements (or even international Conventions). I suggests that some narrow minded leaders consider that the signatures of anyone by themselves have no value..
This increased tendency to back out of such "contracts" is a dangerous trend to international instability. and just leads to even more in the future... but what do you expect for individuals that respect no-one by themselves.
We have many examples of governments not being trusted to live up to signed agreements (or even international Conventions). I suggests that some narrow minded leaders consider that the signatures of anyone by themselves have no value..
This increased tendency to back out of such "contracts" is a dangerous trend to international instability. and just leads to even more in the future... but what do you expect for individuals that respect no-one by themselves.
John Sollows
@Andrew Hebda (NS)
Spot-on.
I am sure Stephan Dion had to hold his nose in giving the sale of weaponizable vehicles to the Saudis, but agreements should be honoured, by default, and a debate is needed as to at what point a contract should be voided.
Spot-on.
I am sure Stephan Dion had to hold his nose in giving the sale of weaponizable vehicles to the Saudis, but agreements should be honoured, by default, and a debate is needed as to at what point a contract should be voided.
James Carpenter
@Pat Dunne
Guide:
1. he will open his mouth.
2. He will say something stupid.
3. he will deny he said anything.
Guide:
1. he will open his mouth.
2. He will say something stupid.
3. he will deny he said anything.
Marcus Garvey
@Pat Dunne Especially since American courts are so political. They are barely a country of laws now.
David R. Amos
@Pat Dunne "Americans cannot be trusted to honor an agreement"
Methinks you spell honour in an interesting fashion N'esy Pas?
Methinks you spell honour in an interesting fashion N'esy Pas?
David R. Amos
@Andrew Hebda (NS) "We have many examples of governments not being trusted to live up to signed agreements "
OH SO TRUE
OH SO TRUE
Lawrence Aaluuluuq (RedWhite)
@David R. Amos
David, you are unqualified in judging how others spell anything.
Scratch that.
Remove the last six words from my first sentence.
David, you are unqualified in judging how others spell anything.
Scratch that.
Remove the last six words from my first sentence.
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David R. Amos
@Lawrence Aaluuluuq (RedWhite) "David, you are unqualified in judging"
I Google your name and you don't exist except as that liberal spin doctor witinin CBC. At least I have run for public office 6 times, sued more lawyers in the USA than most folk can name and am embroiled in a lawsuit against the Crown right now Yet I am unqualified to argue noname Trolls? Methinks you have no idea you you are messing with but the RCMP and the FBI certainly do N'esy Pas?
I Google your name and you don't exist except as that liberal spin doctor witinin CBC. At least I have run for public office 6 times, sued more lawyers in the USA than most folk can name and am embroiled in a lawsuit against the Crown right now Yet I am unqualified to argue noname Trolls? Methinks you have no idea you you are messing with but the RCMP and the FBI certainly do N'esy Pas?
David R. Amos
@Lawrence Aaluuluuq (RedWhite) David, you are unqualified in judging
Methinks its Interesting that I can't reply N'esy Pas?
Methinks its Interesting that I can't reply N'esy Pas?
Albert Ford Upton
Trump can't just negotiate.
He has to threaten and bully. Men with real power and confidence don't
need or use those playground tactics.
John Richmond
@Albert Ford Upton
Bringing back American jobs is what he was elected to do, don't know why you think of this as "threats."
Bringing back American jobs is what he was elected to do, don't know why you think of this as "threats."
Richard Jay
@Albert Ford Upton
"He has to threaten and bully."
List his threats please. CBC likes to use this in it's titles and in articles all the time but never actually lists any threats. I keep hearing this nonsense but what are the threats?
Tariffs are not a threat BTW. Calling them threats is propaganda drummed up by the media. Simply not true. Canada also has tariffs on other countries. Does that mean we're threatening them?
"He has to threaten and bully."
List his threats please. CBC likes to use this in it's titles and in articles all the time but never actually lists any threats. I keep hearing this nonsense but what are the threats?
Tariffs are not a threat BTW. Calling them threats is propaganda drummed up by the media. Simply not true. Canada also has tariffs on other countries. Does that mean we're threatening them?
Karen King
@Richard Jay
Everytime he opens his mouth he is threatening someone, try paying attention for a change and stop with the echo chamber.
Everytime he opens his mouth he is threatening someone, try paying attention for a change and stop with the echo chamber.
David R. Amos
@Richard Jay "List his
threats please. CBC likes to use this in it's titles and in articles all
the time but never actually lists any threats."
Good Point
Good Point
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David R. Amos
@Albert Ford Upton "Men with real power and confidence don't need or use those playground tactics."
I agree
I agree
David R. Amos
@David R. Amos WOW I am blocked for merely posting "I agree" ???
Troy Mann
@David R. Amos
Auto tariffs is one threat
If you don't see the others then you are blinded by partisan thoughts
Auto tariffs is one threat
If you don't see the others then you are blinded by partisan thoughts
David R. Amos
@Troy Mann Methinks you fail to admit that I am an Independent politician hence I could have no "Partisan Thoughts" N'esy Pas?
Lawrence Aaluuluuq (RedWhite)
@David R. Amos
David, your string of logical fallacies is SO bad, that I disgusted myself in agreeing with LOU PARKS against you.
I will -=never=- forgive you for making me agree with Lou [expletive deleted] Parks.
David, your string of logical fallacies is SO bad, that I disgusted myself in agreeing with LOU PARKS against you.
I will -=never=- forgive you for making me agree with Lou [expletive deleted] Parks.
David R. Amos
@Albert Ford Upton "Trump can't just negotiate."
Methinks many folks agree N'esy Pas?
https://www.thestar.com/news/world/2018/08/31/bombshell-leak-to-toronto-star-upends-nafta-talks-in-secret-so-insulting-remarks-trump-says-he-isnt-compromising-at-all-with-canada.html
"In remarks Trump wanted to be “off the record,” Trump told Bloomberg News reporters on Thursday, according to a source, that he is not making any compromises at all in the talks with Canada — but that he cannot say this publicly because “it’s going to be so insulting they’re not going to be able to make a deal.”
David R. Amos
@Lawrence Aaluuluuq (RedWhite) "I will -=never=- forgive you for making me agree with Lou [expletive deleted] Parks."
Methinks that many Maritimers did not find that insult even remotely funny N'esy Pas?
Methinks that many Maritimers did not find that insult even remotely funny N'esy Pas?
pat fisher
IPSOS poll shows 80% support for standing up to the petulant Saudis. Similar support is likely for standing up to trump.
David R. Amos
@Karen King "At least Mexico is on our side no matter what Trump boasts."
Methinks everybody knows that is false The new Mexican President does not assume his office until after the Yankee Mid Term Election Only then will we truly know where Mexico stands with regards to Trump, Trudeau, FATCA. TPP, NAFTA and THE WALL etc N'esy Pas?
Methinks everybody knows that is false The new Mexican President does not assume his office until after the Yankee Mid Term Election Only then will we truly know where Mexico stands with regards to Trump, Trudeau, FATCA. TPP, NAFTA and THE WALL etc N'esy Pas?
Alec Inglis
@David R. Amos What does "N'esy Pas" mean. Or are you merely advertising your racism?
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David R. Amos
David R. Amos
@Alec Inglis Methinks Trudeau
The Younger and everybody else knows that my Acadian neighbours on the
Bay of Fundy are white folks too N'esy Pas?
David R. Amos
@Alec Inglis Methinks you do
not even understand the difference between slander and libel but CBC
certainly should Hence thats why the Crown Corp blocked my reply N'esy
Pas?
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David R. Amos
@Alec Inglis Methinks you
have no clue as to who I am but perhaps the French and English folks
particularly the woodlot owners and the Dairy Farmers will listen to me
this time as I run in this election in Fundy and talk about NAFTA again
N'esy Pas?
https://globalnews.ca/news/4419533/dairy-farmers-nb-nafta/
"Paul Gaunce has operated his dairy farm just south of Sussex for 38 years and serves as the chairman for the Dairy Farmers of New Brunswick. Gaunce has this warning if the Trudeau...
David R. Amos
@David R. Amos Methinks CBC
made a HUGE Faux Pas Blocking a Comment about a Dairy Farmer in FUNDY
commenting on NAFTA talks during our New Brunswick Election N'esy Pas?
Patrick Smyth
@David Allan
When the information cited is freely available and the source of the information is stated, why should I or anyone else hold someone's hand if they don't want to do their own research?
He quoted a POLL from a well known polling firm with a well known website, not some obscure stat from some unknown website.
My comment to you was to get you to look at the battles you choose and perhaps reconsider starting this one but if you want to be obstinate, it is your right to be so.
When the information cited is freely available and the source of the information is stated, why should I or anyone else hold someone's hand if they don't want to do their own research?
He quoted a POLL from a well known polling firm with a well known website, not some obscure stat from some unknown website.
My comment to you was to get you to look at the battles you choose and perhaps reconsider starting this one but if you want to be obstinate, it is your right to be so.
David R. Amos
@Patrick Smyth Exactly
pat fisher
The pressure on trump to end the trade problems he has created is huge. Let him stew.
Richard Jay
@pat fisher
It's too bad there wasn't as much pressure on the previous presidents to fix the trade problems. Could have saved thousands of jobs.
It's too bad there wasn't as much pressure on the previous presidents to fix the trade problems. Could have saved thousands of jobs.
Karen King
@Richard Jay
Been there done that the courts prevailed, try research before posting
Been there done that the courts prevailed, try research before posting
Arlond Lynds
@pat fisher
If Canada calls his bluff and he imposes the tariff on autos it may well speed his exit. The man is unhinged.
If Canada calls his bluff and he imposes the tariff on autos it may well speed his exit. The man is unhinged.
David R. Amos
@Karen King "try research before posting"
You never do
You never do
David R. Amos
@Richard Jay I concur
Lawrence Aaluuluuq (RedWhite)
@David R. Amos
"You never do".
Something something throw stones,
Something something glass houses.
I can't be bothered to give the whole quote, because Mr. Amos can't be bothered to give a dignified comment. Ever.
"You never do".
Something something throw stones,
Something something glass houses.
I can't be bothered to give the whole quote, because Mr. Amos can't be bothered to give a dignified comment. Ever.
David R. Amos
@Lawrence Aaluuluuq (RedWhite) Oh My My aren't you nasty today? Did you liberals know that I am on the ballot in Fundy again?
As your hero said "Just Watch Me"
As your hero said "Just Watch Me"
David R. Amos
@Lawrence Aaluuluuq (RedWhite) Methinks you liberals may enjoy reviewing this N'esy Pas?
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/quebec-nafta-couillard-1.4803364
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/quebec-nafta-couillard-1.4803364
Lawrence Aaluuluuq (RedWhite)
@David R. Amos
What's with your comment history and your constant string of logical fallacies? Do you make them on purpose, or do you just -not- know any better?
Inquiring minds want to know.
What's with your comment history and your constant string of logical fallacies? Do you make them on purpose, or do you just -not- know any better?
Inquiring minds want to know.
Stanley Baird
@pat fisher what pressure?
He has decent poll numbers and the US economy is doing well. His trade
policies are popular in the US.
David R. Amos
@Lawrence Aaluuluuq (RedWhite) "Inquiring minds want to know."
Methinks Canadian folks with an inquiring mind can Google "Fundy Royal Debate" just like many Yankees did in 2015 a whole year before Trump was duly elected N'esy Pas?
Methinks Canadian folks with an inquiring mind can Google "Fundy Royal Debate" just like many Yankees did in 2015 a whole year before Trump was duly elected N'esy Pas?
Lawrence Aaluuluuq (RedWhite)
@David R. Amos
I like how you didn't answer my question. ;)
I like how you didn't answer my question. ;)
Don Luft
Walk away. If we don't sign
it will be a loss for Trump and he needs a win. Republicans and
Democrats both want a deal with Canada. They won't let him scrap NAFTA
and sign a bilateral deal with Mexico.
Even if they did we can't face a worse negotiating team than one picked by Trump. He's not after a fair deal. He only wants one in which all the benefits are on the U.S. side, even if it kills off industries in Canada. We'll have better luck in a few years if Trump isn't re-elected.
Whatever the outcome I hope all Canadians and all political parties recognize the danger of depending too much on trade with the U.S. We need new markets.
Even if they did we can't face a worse negotiating team than one picked by Trump. He's not after a fair deal. He only wants one in which all the benefits are on the U.S. side, even if it kills off industries in Canada. We'll have better luck in a few years if Trump isn't re-elected.
Whatever the outcome I hope all Canadians and all political parties recognize the danger of depending too much on trade with the U.S. We need new markets.
John Swift
@Don Luft The only words
Trudeau has said in his time in office I can agree on are "No NAFTA deal
is better than a bad NAFTA deal".
I agree, walk away.
I agree, walk away.
David R. Amos
@Don Luft Methinks Less Is More Today N'esy Pas?
@Don Luft Methinks Less Is More Today N'esy Pas?
Jacques LeBlanc
@David R. Amos Comrade, we must examine our posts to ensure translation is correct, n'est pas?
Your posts lack credibility as it is, let alone with the nonsense words added.
Your posts lack credibility as it is, let alone with the nonsense words added.
Lawrence Aaluuluuq (RedWhite)
@Jacques LeBlanc
David revels in his logical fallacies and abject lack of critical thinking.
Just saving you the trouble.
David revels in his logical fallacies and abject lack of critical thinking.
Just saving you the trouble.
David R. Amos
@Jacques LeBlanc Methinks the
Mayor of Shediac who is running in the same election I am right now and
his cousin such a Abe Charles and Dominic Leblanc should certainly
understand the Chief of the Amos Clan who was born an raised on the Bay
Of Fundy when he is having fun with the Chiac Lingo N'esy Pas?
David Allan
@Jacques LeBlanc
It's actually n'est-ce pas.
It's actually n'est-ce pas.
Peter Day
The only thing more disgusting than Trump is the Canadians who take his side on trade.
John Britt
@Peter Day I am a senior
citizen by all definitions. I have voted in every election since I was
of eligible age, and with the exception of one campaign where I voted
for the NDP, I have always voted Liberal, including this last election. I
have never, ever voted Conservative. I abhor Donald Trump and his
policies, take profound offense to any individual or nation threatening
my country, do not want to see him "win", am profoundly irritated with
his "reopening" of NAFTA, but none of that prohibits me from being
critical of my government and the manner in which they have proceeded.
It is my opinion, as a Canadian, that our government has been
ineffective in these negotiations, has dropped the ball and allowed
themselves to be placed, and as a consequence, this country, in a sorry
position. I am entitled to that opinion, and I make it based upon what I
read, which may surprise you but is not limited to CBC; and no, I have
never read Briebert News or whatever it is called. We will see how
things turn out, but I am allowed to express disappointment in my
government's handling of these affairs, and disappointed I am. I want a
win for Canada as much as you do. I am not seeing one on the offing. But
that is not praising Trump, or favouring the US over my own country.
David R. Amos
@Peter Day I agree
David R. Amos
@Peter Day "I respect your opinion John."
ME TOO
ME TOO
Patrick Smyth
@Lawrence Aaluuluuq (RedWhite)
I agree with you a lot of the time and I don't agree with John Britt on this, But neither can I agree with the nasty, uncalled for response.
I agree with you a lot of the time and I don't agree with John Britt on this, But neither can I agree with the nasty, uncalled for response.
Lawrence Aaluuluuq (RedWhite)
@Patrick Smyth
Well, I got automodded for thanking John for his respectful and thoughtful response, as well as apologizing for misunderstanding him, and saying I'd be more respectful in the future.
Such is life with the CBC modsquad.
Well, I got automodded for thanking John for his respectful and thoughtful response, as well as apologizing for misunderstanding him, and saying I'd be more respectful in the future.
Such is life with the CBC modsquad.
Patrick Smyth
@Lawrence Aaluuluuq (RedWhite)
Fair enough. I respect you for that and appreciate the response.
Fair enough. I respect you for that and appreciate the response.
David R. Amos
@Patrick Smyth Methinks many folks would agree that the last thing the nasty "CBC modsquad" is is fair N'esy Pas?
Brian Ellick
Instead of trying to dump
American dairy over supply in Canada....why not FIX this American
problem? They subsidize their dairy to the tune of $ 265 million dollars
a year on average. These are American numbers. American dairy farmers
are in favour of supply management. Trump just doesn't want to do his
job....govern the U.S. properly instead of bullying the world.Follow the
links to read what American dairy is all about. https://farm.ewg.org/progdetail.php?fips=00000&progcode=dairy
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/best-advice-u-s-dairy-farmers-sell-out-fast-you-n887941
http://thehill.com/opinion/energy-environment/377406-dairy-industry-doesnt-deserve-american-taxpayer-bailout
Arlond Lynds
@Mel Schlobble
Some are very much in favour of adopting our system. They are dealing with issues arising from no regulations. Trump is trying to blame their troubles on us but Canada had nothing whatever to do with the US dairy problems. They lost significant overseas markets and now are desperate to find a place to dump their over production. Not our doing and not our problem.
Some are very much in favour of adopting our system. They are dealing with issues arising from no regulations. Trump is trying to blame their troubles on us but Canada had nothing whatever to do with the US dairy problems. They lost significant overseas markets and now are desperate to find a place to dump their over production. Not our doing and not our problem.
David R. Amos
@Arlond Lynds "Trump is
trying to blame their troubles on us but Canada had nothing whatever to
do with the US dairy problems. They lost significant overseas markets
and now are desperate to find a place to dump their over production. Not
our doing and not our problem."
I agree
I agree
Tim Joseph
Watched a bit of tRump rally
in Indiana on CP24. He is seriously insane. Saying how he loves Canada,
but cant wait to "give it to us good". And his trumpeteers all clap like
trained seals....oooooorr oooooorr ooooooorr. I will not set foot on
American soil until this insanity is over.
Edward Morell
@Stan Cox I watched an
interview with some of his supporters about his Space Force project.
They were as ignorant as Trump, contradicted themselves and could not
explain even the simplest thought. He really is energizing those who
are too stupid to be allowed to vote.
Karen King
@Tim Joseph
and his "the press is the enemy of the people"...... next thing they will be chanting it...that is really bad and disturbs me more than I can say.....why?? I am a sociologists by education and believe that talk will lead to no good.
Mob mentality and the echo chamber...all very bad for democracy and free speech.
and his "the press is the enemy of the people"...... next thing they will be chanting it...that is really bad and disturbs me more than I can say.....why?? I am a sociologists by education and believe that talk will lead to no good.
Mob mentality and the echo chamber...all very bad for democracy and free speech.
David R. Amos
@Edward Morell "He really is energizing those who are too stupid to be allowed to vote."
Methinks the fancy knickers of many liberals must be in quite a knot today in light of the fact that you people must resort to such insults N'esy Pas?
Methinks the fancy knickers of many liberals must be in quite a knot today in light of the fact that you people must resort to such insults N'esy Pas?
Randolph Neville
No deal until the soon to be lame duck l'orange is out of the picture. Then negotiate in good faith.
David R. Amos
@Randolph Neville I just heard on the news there is no deal True or False?
David R. Amos
@David R. Amos HMMMM
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/nafta-trump-compromise-trudeau-1.4806240
"Freeland was also asked if the Americans are negotiating in good faith in light of the report on Trump's remarks. She said she and her counterpart, U.S. trade representative Robert Lighthizer, have been working hard, and that progress has been made in the last year since both sides began with starting positions that were "very far apart."
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/nafta-trump-compromise-trudeau-1.4806240
"Freeland was also asked if the Americans are negotiating in good faith in light of the report on Trump's remarks. She said she and her counterpart, U.S. trade representative Robert Lighthizer, have been working hard, and that progress has been made in the last year since both sides began with starting positions that were "very far apart."
https://www.thestar.com/news/world/2018/08/31/bombshell-leak-to-toronto-star-upends-nafta-talks-in-secret-so-insulting-remarks-trump-says-he-isnt-compromising-at-all-with-canada.html
Bombshell leak to Toronto Star upends NAFTA talks: In secret ‘so insulting’ remarks, Trump says he isn’t compromising at all with Canada
Fri., Aug. 31, 2018
WASHINGTON—High-stakes
trade negotiations between Canada and the U.S. were dramatically
upended on Friday morning by inflammatory secret remarks from President
Donald Trump, after the remarks were obtained by the Toronto Star.
In remarks Trump wanted to be “off the record,” Trump told Bloomberg News reporters on Thursday, according to a source, that he is not making any compromises at all in the talks with Canada — but that he cannot say this publicly because “it’s going to be so insulting they’re not going to be able to make a deal.”
In
a remark he did not want published, U.S. President Donald Trump said
that a possible NAFTA deal with Canada would be “totally on our terms,”
according to a source. (DOUG MILLS / NYT)
In remarks Trump wanted to be “off the record,” Trump told Bloomberg News reporters on Thursday, according to a source, that he is not making any compromises at all in the talks with Canada — but that he cannot say this publicly because “it’s going to be so insulting they’re not going to be able to make a deal.”
Wow, I made OFF THE RECORD COMMENTS to Bloomberg concerning Canada, and this powerful understanding was BLATANTLY VIOLATED. Oh well, just more dishonest reporting. I am used to it. At least Canada knows where I stand!
Trump made the remarks in an Oval Office interview with Bloomberg. He deemed them off the record, and Bloomberg accepted his request not to reveal them.
But the Star is not bound by any promises Bloomberg made to Trump. And the remarks immediately became a factor in the negotiations: Trudeau’s officials, who saw them as evidence for their previous suspicions that Trump’s team had not been bargaining in good faith, raised them at the beginning of a meeting with their U.S. counterparts on Friday morning, a U.S. source confirmed.
The Star was not able to independently confirm the remarks with 100 per cent certainty, but the Canadian government is confident they are accurate.
Bloomberg editor-in-chief John Micklethwait, who was one of the journalists in the room, did not dispute their authenticity. Nor did the White House.
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David Raymond Amos @DavidRayAmos
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/wednesday-nafta-chapter19-1.4803246
Why NAFTA's Chapter 19 may not be the right hill to die on
Canadian negotiators reluctant to give up trade remedy — even if it no longer works
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Joseph Cluster
I remember growing up around a
sawmill that employed 400+ men that ran 24/7. For a decade now it has
been shuttered because of the softwood trade with the USA.
We really need to look at the other shores of the world and start to expand our valuable resources to other markets and cut this convenience of dealing with the USA.
We really need to look at the other shores of the world and start to expand our valuable resources to other markets and cut this convenience of dealing with the USA.
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David R. Amos
David R. Amos
@Joseph Cluster Methinks the
Speaker of the House Mr Regan and Simon Lester should recall my Battle
Royal with Iceland and the Cato Institute after I ran in the election
of the 38th Parliament N'esy Pas?
This is from a story that appeared in the Kings County Record June 22, 2004
The Unconventional Candidate
By Gisele McKnight
"FUNDY—He has a pack of cigarettes in his shirt pocket, a chain on his wallet, a beard at least a foot long, 60 motorcycles and a cell phone that rings to the tune of "Yankee Doodle."
Meet the latest addition to the Fundy ballot—David Amos.
The independent candidate lives in Milton, Massachusetts with his wife
and two children, but his place of residence does not stop him from
running for office in Canada."
"Amos, 52, is running for political office because of his dissatisfaction with politicians. "I've become aware of much corruption involving our two countries," he said. "The only way to fix corruption is in the political forum."
"What he's fighting for is the discussion of issues – tainted blood, the exploitation of the Maritimes' gas and oil reserves and NAFTA, to name a few.
"The political issues in the Maritimes involve the three Fs – fishing,
farming and forestry, but they forget foreign issues," he said. "I'm
death on NAFTA, the back room deals and free trade. I say chuck it
(NAFTA) out the window.
NAFTA is the North American Free Trade Agreement which allows an
easier flow of goods between Canada, the United States and Mexico."
https://twitter.com/DavidRayAmos/with_replies
David Raymond Amos @DavidRayAmos
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/freeland-nafta-lighthizer-washington-1.4802992
Freeland in 'extremely intense' NAFTA negotiations as Trump officials issue threats
Canadian Foreign Affairs Minister Chrystia Freeland 'optimistic' about trade talks
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David R. Amos
If folks truly care about this issue I hope they Google the following and ask their MPs and MLAs some serious questions ASAP
trump cohen david amos nafta fatca tpp
and
Robert Lighthizer David Amos
trump cohen david amos nafta fatca tpp
and
Robert Lighthizer David Amos
"POOF"
Jeremy Paddock
Good grief, why not repeating the same actions and expect different results?
Is there no one else in this mickey mouse government than can handle these talks?
How about getting some help from PM Harper on this.?
Is there no one else in this mickey mouse government than can handle these talks?
How about getting some help from PM Harper on this.?
Lawrence Aaluuluuq (RedWhite)
@Jeremy Paddock
"How about getting some help from PM Harper on this.?"
We don't need someone to throw a temper tantrum in the washroom in case Stevie Boy doesn't get his way.
"How about getting some help from PM Harper on this.?"
We don't need someone to throw a temper tantrum in the washroom in case Stevie Boy doesn't get his way.
Richard Sharp
@Lawrence Aaluuluuq (RedWhite)
Harper has been sniping at the Liberal government privately since leaving. He's an ideologue with nothing new to say. He would be as useful as mud.
Harper has been sniping at the Liberal government privately since leaving. He's an ideologue with nothing new to say. He would be as useful as mud.
Daniel St-Germain
@Jeremy Paddock
Welcome to the Alt-Right obligatory thread.
Welcome to the Alt-Right obligatory thread.
Rob Kov
@Daniel St-Germain so everyone right of Karl Marx is Alt-Right now?
M Graham
@Richard Sharp - much like yourself, pot calling kettle black
David R. Amos
@M Graham YUP
Neil Turv
@Richard Sharp
"He's an ideologue with nothing new to say"
Hehehehe, I'm going to go into five year old mode on this one....
Takes one to know one
"He's an ideologue with nothing new to say"
Hehehehe, I'm going to go into five year old mode on this one....
Takes one to know one
David R. Amos
@Neil Turv Methinks the same could be said of you too N'esy Pas?
Richard Sharp
@Neil Turv
Putin isn't close to the bogey man he's made out to be. Any American president you want to name since Reagan, at least, invaded, occupied and destroyed way more countries than Putin ever did, by a count of 10 to 1. And caused the death of millions more by that same count.
Putin isn't close to the bogey man he's made out to be. Any American president you want to name since Reagan, at least, invaded, occupied and destroyed way more countries than Putin ever did, by a count of 10 to 1. And caused the death of millions more by that same count.
Rob Kov
@Richard Sharp very observant, Obama was collecting a Nobel Peace prize while drones were dropping bombs...
David R. Amos
@Richard Sharp Putin isn't close to the bogey man he's made out to be.
David R. Amos
@Rob Kov "Obama was collecting a Nobel Peace prize while drones were dropping bombs"
YUP
YUP
"POOF"
Jerry Maguire
A failed journalist now negotiator, with Canada's trade prosperity hanging in the balance. What could go wrong?
Richard Sharp
@Jerry Maguire
By virtually all accounts of experts, Freeland has done a strong job on NAFTA, trade and foreign relations, although the Lib government's militarism in the ME and on Russia's borders qualify it as a blind follower of the USA and NATO.
By virtually all accounts of experts, Freeland has done a strong job on NAFTA, trade and foreign relations, although the Lib government's militarism in the ME and on Russia's borders qualify it as a blind follower of the USA and NATO.
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David R. Amos
@Richard Sharp Methinks you enjoy the circus as much as I N''esy Pas?
David R. Amos
@Richard Sharp Why does CBC block a lot of my replies to you if you are not a liberal spin doctor?
"POOF"
Donald Patrick
I have no confidence in Freeland. I wouldn't be surprised to see here come home with magic beans.
Pierre Filion
@Donald Patrick
Or come home crying again.
Or come home crying again.
Lawrence Aaluuluuq (RedWhite)
@Donald Patrick, @Pierre Filion,
Considering this is pretty standard for Conservatives to act, why do you think the rest of Canada should take you folks seriously?
Remember when your party was in power?
Remember the temper tantrums in washrooms?
Remember the "You're either with us, or you're with the child pornographers"?
Remember the SCoC slamming down over 40 anti-constitutional bills?
Remember the second "technical" recession that wasn't suffered by any other G7 nation?
Remember the most inept Speaker (who's now party leader) purposefully not doing the ONE JOB he had?
Remember the constant prorogation of Parliament?
Remember the MP who screamed "THAT'S NOT TRUE" at her constituents saying they forage for food at the landfill?
Remember when said MP was given several months of photographic evidence during session, and she purposefully ignored them by reading a newspaper?
Remember Tony "Gazebo Boy" Clement?
Remember when the only thing the party did for the territory of Nunavut for 9 years was purposefully make food more expensive for no reason?
Remember the list of enemies that included a bird watching group and indigenous peoples who were concerned about their sovereign land?
Remember Kellie "I hate our Charter of Rights and Freedoms" Leitch?
Yeah, I have problems with the current government, but considering this is how your party behaves on a regular basis, I will happily vote against you.
Each.
And every.
Time.
Considering this is pretty standard for Conservatives to act, why do you think the rest of Canada should take you folks seriously?
Remember when your party was in power?
Remember the temper tantrums in washrooms?
Remember the "You're either with us, or you're with the child pornographers"?
Remember the SCoC slamming down over 40 anti-constitutional bills?
Remember the second "technical" recession that wasn't suffered by any other G7 nation?
Remember the most inept Speaker (who's now party leader) purposefully not doing the ONE JOB he had?
Remember the constant prorogation of Parliament?
Remember the MP who screamed "THAT'S NOT TRUE" at her constituents saying they forage for food at the landfill?
Remember when said MP was given several months of photographic evidence during session, and she purposefully ignored them by reading a newspaper?
Remember Tony "Gazebo Boy" Clement?
Remember when the only thing the party did for the territory of Nunavut for 9 years was purposefully make food more expensive for no reason?
Remember the list of enemies that included a bird watching group and indigenous peoples who were concerned about their sovereign land?
Remember Kellie "I hate our Charter of Rights and Freedoms" Leitch?
Yeah, I have problems with the current government, but considering this is how your party behaves on a regular basis, I will happily vote against you.
Each.
And every.
Time.
Troy Mann
@Donald Patrick
That would be better than anything the cons would get in a deal
That would be better than anything the cons would get in a deal
Richard Sharp
@Lawrence Aaluuluuq (RedWhite)
Good list, Lawrence. Brings back very bad memories but every Canadian should be given periodic refreshers on Harper's train wreck government.
Good list, Lawrence. Brings back very bad memories but every Canadian should be given periodic refreshers on Harper's train wreck government.
David R. Amos
@Richard Sharp "every Canadian should be given periodic refreshers"
Methinks if you are sincere then you should Google David Amos Federal Court and review Statement 83 N'esy Pas?
Methinks if you are sincere then you should Google David Amos Federal Court and review Statement 83 N'esy Pas?
"POOF"
Pierre Filion
I find it amazing that people
thought that Trudeau and Freeland could just waltz into the US and tell
them what to do. Mexico will keep cheering Canada on just after they
threw us under the bus. I beleive the reality is this. A country with 36
million people can NOT dictate to a country that as 336 Million people.
Plus Trudeau trying to push hie ideologies on the US did not help. I
think Trudeau should have met with Trump very early in this deal and
dialogued with him. Now we will be given crumbs.
Richard Sharp
@Joe Blackburne
Pierre is a leader in distributing fake news about Trudeau and Libs. 5-6 outright mistruths in this post alone..
Pierre is a leader in distributing fake news about Trudeau and Libs. 5-6 outright mistruths in this post alone..
David R. Amos
@Richard Sharp "Pierre is a leader in distributing fake news" If so what are you?
Joe McGuire
I am proud of Canada's stand for worker rights, environment and farmers.
Let the US midterms come and let the Americans send their bully a message.
If Trump wins now, he will find new ways to stick it to us next year.
Let the US midterms come and let the Americans send their bully a message.
If Trump wins now, he will find new ways to stick it to us next year.
Lawrence Aaluuluuq (RedWhite)
@Pierre Filion
Did you copy/paste this from the alt-right FB page?
Most people would be humiliated if they wrote that undignified mess you plopped down for us to see.
Did you copy/paste this from the alt-right FB page?
Most people would be humiliated if they wrote that undignified mess you plopped down for us to see.
Rob Kov
@Lawrence Aaluuluuq (RedWhite) oh look!
Another liberal resorting to personal attacks because of their ineptitude to compete intelligently?
Never seen that before. /sarcasm
Another liberal resorting to personal attacks because of their ineptitude to compete intelligently?
Never seen that before. /sarcasm
David R. Amos
@Rob Kov Methinks the right wingnut are no better N'esy Pas?
Rob Kov
@David R. Amos any wingnut is bad, regardless of political affiliation.
David R. Amos
@Rob Kov "any wingnut is bad, regardless of political affiliation."
At least we agree on something
At least we agree on something
Rob Kov
@David R. Amos I think we agree on many things actually, at least from my experience in conversation with you.
David R. Amos
@Rob Kov "I think we agree on many things actually"
Methinks you should Google the following to see if you still think we agree on many things N'esy Pas?
Robert Lighthizer David Amos Litigation Limbo
Methinks you should Google the following to see if you still think we agree on many things N'esy Pas?
Robert Lighthizer David Amos Litigation Limbo
Justine Turner
@Joe McGuire Proud of what
exactly? of our Liberal government for biting hook and sinker Trump
dropped a year and half ago or Canada being ignored for close to a year
from a trade agreement Canada architected under Mulroney?
David R. Amos
@Rob Kov This is from a story that appeared in the Kings County Record June 22, 2004
The Unconventional Candidate
By Gisele McKnight
"FUNDY—He has a pack of cigarettes in his shirt pocket, a chain on his wallet, a beard at least a foot long, 60 motorcycles and a cell phone that rings to the tune of "Yankee Doodle."
Meet the latest addition to the Fundy ballot—David Amos.
The independent candidate lives in Milton, Massachusetts with his wife
and two children, but his place of residence does not stop him from
running for office in Canada."
"Amos, 52, is running for political office because of his dissatisfaction with politicians. "I've become aware of much corruption involving our two countries," he said. "The only way to fix corruption is in the political forum."
"What he's fighting for is the discussion of issues – tainted blood, the exploitation of the Maritimes' gas and oil reserves and NAFTA, to name a few.
"The political issues in the Maritimes involve the three Fs – fishing,
farming and forestry, but they forget foreign issues," he said. "I'm
death on NAFTA, the back room deals and free trade. I say chuck it
(NAFTA) out the window.
NAFTA is the North American Free Trade Agreement which allows an
easier flow of goods between Canada, the United States and Mexico."
David R. Amos
@Justine Turner I agree with you in that I see nothing to be proud of
Peter Day
There are a lot of far right commenters supporting Trump against Canada. Disgraceful.
David R. Amos
@Peter Day Welcome to the Circus
David R. Amos
@Rob Kov "Don't try for a
second to lecture me on what being a loyal Canadian is, myself, my
family, and my friends all owe our well being and lives to this great
country, the value that built it, and the men and women who protect and
serve it, and I would never betray that."
Well put
Well put
David R. Amos
@John Oaktree "You DO NOT
speak for every conservative on here. I'm a conservative. I do not
support the current "social" conservatives that live on this site and
push their SJW agenda."
Nor do I
Methinks everybody knows that by now but what I say is rarely reported and never by CBC N'esy Pas?
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/fundy-royal-riding-profile-1.3274276
Nor do I
Methinks everybody knows that by now but what I say is rarely reported and never by CBC N'esy Pas?
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/fundy-royal-riding-profile-1.3274276
Manuel Santos
No deal is better than a bad deal.
David R. Amos
@Manuel Santos I agree
David R. Amos
@ Chris Maurier "If
Conservatives were as devoted to their country as they were their pocket
books we would be getting somewhere."
Methinks the liberals are every bit as greedy and many folks agree with me N'esy Pas?
Methinks the liberals are every bit as greedy and many folks agree with me N'esy Pas?
John Howard
The Mexican election and transfer of power has everything to do with this deadline.
David R. Amos
@John Howard Methinks everybody knows that except Trudeau The Younger and his minions N'esy Pas?
Elma Fayerrly
Take your time, Ms Freeland.
As it stands now, the Congress will not approve a bilateral deal. Do not
sign anything until you get a good deal for Canada. We are in no rush.
David R. Amos
@Elma Fayerrly Methinks
Freeland begging to make a deal because the liberals have an election to
face next year and Trump knows it N'esy Pas?
Ferd Roseboom
@David R. Amos Begging? Why
would she buckle now? The US Midterms are in Nov. By the time the next
Cdn fed election rolls around, most'll have forgotten this, unless of
course she give away more than she gets but that's likely how the Cons
will construe it, with even the least amount of compromise.
David R. Amos
@Ferd Roseboom "Why would she
buckle now? The US Midterms are in Nov. By the time the next Cdn fed
election rolls around, most'll have forgotten this"
In a nutshell Freeland will buckle because the liberal bankster backers told them to. Methinks you don't understand the wicked world of politicking very well N'esy Pas?
In a nutshell Freeland will buckle because the liberal bankster backers told them to. Methinks you don't understand the wicked world of politicking very well N'esy Pas?
Ian Robbins
Just remember supply
management is a NO GO! We don't want a glut of cheap, inferior,
antibiotic filled dairy/poultry products coming in from the U.S.
Wisconsin produces more dairy products than ALL of Canada..They
overproduce and that's their problem, not ours...BUY CANADIAN!
David R. Amos
@Ian Robbins Methinks the
Wealthy Dairy Dudes are secure because they would sink the liberals in
the next election if they were sold out N'esy Pas?
David Speed
@Mike Banton
The milk that I buy in Michigan is without hormones $1.19 for a gallon. Milk in the US that is sold in Kroger, Walmart, and Aldi is labled no growth hormones. A lot of people here are talking based on conviction not facts.
The milk that I buy in Michigan is without hormones $1.19 for a gallon. Milk in the US that is sold in Kroger, Walmart, and Aldi is labled no growth hormones. A lot of people here are talking based on conviction not facts.
Jason Tremblay (JasonDiggy)
@David Speed
EXCEPT the Americans are AGAINST country-of-origin labeling. They even know no one will buy their tainted milk.
EXCEPT the Americans are AGAINST country-of-origin labeling. They even know no one will buy their tainted milk.
@David Speed Methinks this is a fact and one of the many reasons your Yankee hero Trump is in a hurry N'esy Pas?
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/08/29/agriculture-secretary-sonny-perdue-farmers-want-trade-not-trump-aid.html
"Ag Secretary Perdue on Trump's $6 billion farmer bailout: 'Everybody wants trade, not aid'
American farmers would rather have trade deals from President Trump than need government tariff relief, Agriculture Secretary Sonny Perdue says.
The Trump administration is prepared to start its emergency plan for farmers impacted by retaliatory tariffs right after Labor Day.
Published 21 Hours Ago
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/08/29/agriculture-secretary-sonny-perdue-farmers-want-trade-not-trump-aid.html
"Ag Secretary Perdue on Trump's $6 billion farmer bailout: 'Everybody wants trade, not aid'
American farmers would rather have trade deals from President Trump than need government tariff relief, Agriculture Secretary Sonny Perdue says.
The Trump administration is prepared to start its emergency plan for farmers impacted by retaliatory tariffs right after Labor Day.
Published 21 Hours Ago
David R. Amos
@Jason Tremblay (JasonDiggy) "They even know no one will buy their tainted milk."
Methinks you liberals wish to forget that we bought the Yankkee's tainted blood N'esy Pas?
Methinks you liberals wish to forget that we bought the Yankkee's tainted blood N'esy Pas?
Garry Walton
Freeland said she is encouraged by the progress, didn't she say that a year ago?
David R. Amos
@Garry Walton YUP
@Jim Palmer is that the secret for thinking like a Liberal? not care for progress, for successful conclusion?
David R. Amos
@Justine Turner Methinks it
is impossible for someone blessed with common sense to think like
Trudeau The Younger and his minions N'esy Pas?
Bruce Strongarm
Ignore the St. Petersburg gang. They are easy to spot.
Ignore the blind anti-Liberal over Canada crowd, they are just always angry.
Canada is in the strongest position ever.
Without Canada’s consent, Trump can’t get a trade deal done before mid-terms. Trump desperately needs a win. We can can raise the stakes mightily now. Go get ‘em Chrystia!
Ignore the blind anti-Liberal over Canada crowd, they are just always angry.
Canada is in the strongest position ever.
Without Canada’s consent, Trump can’t get a trade deal done before mid-terms. Trump desperately needs a win. We can can raise the stakes mightily now. Go get ‘em Chrystia!
David R. Amos
@John Myro "In my opinion that not the strongest position ever"
Methinks you no doubt know that you are not alone in that thinking N'esy Pas?
Methinks you no doubt know that you are not alone in that thinking N'esy Pas?
Justine Turner
@Bruce Strongarm Please
clarify this, most Canadians you cast as anti-Liberals are just fed up
with the constant decline in our standard of living since 2015. This
government has not handled one file with competence
David R. Amos
@Justine Turner "Please
clarify this, most Canadians you cast as anti-Liberals are just fed up
with the constant decline in our standard of living since 2015"
Methinks as a Independent it is rather easy to clarify my position today. I am about to put my name on a ballot again in Fundy (A provincial election this time) and talk a lot about NAFTA to the Dairy Farmers and all the folks who own private wood lots and share a common interest in the Crown forests around Sussex and the rest of New Brunswick.
If anyone wishes to understand my position about NAFTA, and TPP etc during the 2015 federal election all they have to do is Google "Fundy Royal Debate" N'esy Pas?
Bertrum G.Gruff
$22.5Trillion and growing,
Trump's American taxpayers shovelling out for tariff subsidies that
undermine their livelihood and cause inflation
David R. Amos
@Mo Jones "Yes, and they can thank Obama for doubling it from $10 trillion to $20 trillion in 8 short years."
Don't forget Georgey Boy Bush's contribution towards raising the US debt through the roof. Methinks Trump is just a "Johnny Come Lately" who happens to know how to bankrupt his own enterprises N'esy Pas?
Don't forget Georgey Boy Bush's contribution towards raising the US debt through the roof. Methinks Trump is just a "Johnny Come Lately" who happens to know how to bankrupt his own enterprises N'esy Pas?
Steve Duncan
Looks like Trump won that round.
Steve Duncan
@Jay Dean
Well I was smart enough to earn 6 figures , Vaca down south and own more than one American Strat....so I must be doing something right.
Well I was smart enough to earn 6 figures , Vaca down south and own more than one American Strat....so I must be doing something right.
Richard Sharp
@Steve Duncan
Braggards are by definition not so smart.
Braggards are by definition not so smart.
David R. Amos
@Richard Sharp If the shoe fits
Mike Banton
@Steve Duncan The LAST time a
conservative tried negotiating a trade issue with the USA, was when
harper left $1 BILLION of CDN money for Americans to share after we won a
round in the softwood lumber dispute... Cons CAVED and gave away our
tax dollars.. so much winning.
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-on-business/rob-commentary/softwood-lumber-the-never-ending-battle/article35127699/
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-on-business/rob-commentary/softwood-lumber-the-never-ending-battle/article35127699/
Mike Crow
@Steve Duncan
Trump is not even negotiating anything.
Trump is not even negotiating anything.
David R. Amos
@Mike Banton Oh So True
David R. Amos
@Mike Crow True
https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/nafta-mexico-trade-canada-us-trump-1.4802560
These are the steps Trump would have to take to end NAFTA. It won't be easy
A lot has to happen before U.S. president can replace NAFTA with bilateral U.S.-Mexico pact
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Interested folks should Google this ASAP ad ask their MP who I am
trump cohen david amos nafta fatca tpp
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Fred Rogers
Hold out until after Trump is gone.
I'd rather have a little short term pain than give in to this clown.
Ontario alone is the #1 trading partner of 18 states.
Think those states want Trump jerking us around?
I'd rather have a little short term pain than give in to this clown.
Ontario alone is the #1 trading partner of 18 states.
Think those states want Trump jerking us around?
James Timberly
@Victor Cretu “We already buy everything from China”
What is it about the US that makes the case for favouring them over China? With Trump at the helm, is there a difference? certainly not a moral one.
What is it about the US that makes the case for favouring them over China? With Trump at the helm, is there a difference? certainly not a moral one.
David R. Amos
@Fred Rogers Methinks everybody knows I still agree with you N'esy Pas?
David R. Amos
@James Timberly "With Trump at the helm, is there a difference? certainly not a moral one"
Methinks I should ask what is it you know of ethical conduct N'esy Pas?
Methinks I should ask what is it you know of ethical conduct N'esy Pas?
James Timberly
@David R. Amos “Methinks I should ask what is it you know of ethical conduct N'esy Pas?”
Well, for instance i don’t repeat a silly tag line for the purpose of denegrating french canadians. look inward my friend.
Well, for instance i don’t repeat a silly tag line for the purpose of denegrating french canadians. look inward my friend.
David R. Amos
@James Timberly Methinks the
last thing I am is your friend but at least French Folks around the Bay
of Fundy understand Chiac and fellow Maritimer who is running in
another election N'esy Pas?
Jason Martin
This is what you get when you elect a reality TV star to govern the United States. A total gong show.
David R. Amos
@Jason Martin Welcome to the Circus
James Timberly
@Jim Clark “and then we send a drama teacher into the mix.“
Can you explain why conservatives have such disdain for teachers?
Can you explain why conservatives have such disdain for teachers?
Lawrence Aaluuluuq (RedWhite)
@James Timberly
It's because teachers are adept at dealing with spoiled children.
Hence why Conservatives absolutely loathe him.
It's because teachers are adept at dealing with spoiled children.
Hence why Conservatives absolutely loathe him.
David R. Amos
@James Timberly "Can you explain why conservatives have such disdain for teachers?"
Methinks it may be because many teachers are snobby overpaid unionized know it alls just like you and and your hero Trudeau the Younger N'esy Pas?
Methinks it may be because many teachers are snobby overpaid unionized know it alls just like you and and your hero Trudeau the Younger N'esy Pas?
Fred Rogers
Trumps idea of negotiating fairly:
Give me everything I want no matter how unreasonable it is, and in return, I'll give you nothing.
Give me everything I want no matter how unreasonable it is, and in return, I'll give you nothing.
Lawrence Aaluuluuq (RedWhite)
@Fred Rogers
Unless you're Kim Jong Un.
Then 45 will heap praise upon praise for you, halt all military joint actions with South Korea, and get abso[expletive deleted]lutely NOTHING in return.
"Art of the deal" my aching [expletive deleted].
Unless you're Kim Jong Un.
Then 45 will heap praise upon praise for you, halt all military joint actions with South Korea, and get abso[expletive deleted]lutely NOTHING in return.
"Art of the deal" my aching [expletive deleted].
David R. Amos
@Lawrence Aaluuluuq (RedWhite) "Art of the deal" my aching [expletive deleted]."
Methinks your [expletive deleted]. is always aching because your liberal puppet masters have deemed it to be so Hence its not fair to blame the Yankee ringmaster Its better for your aching [expletive deleted]." just to relax enjoy the Circus N'esy Pas?
Methinks your [expletive deleted]. is always aching because your liberal puppet masters have deemed it to be so Hence its not fair to blame the Yankee ringmaster Its better for your aching [expletive deleted]." just to relax enjoy the Circus N'esy Pas?
Stan Cox
There is no way in heck that Canada should feel pressured to agree to anything by Friday.
Lawrence Aaluuluuq (RedWhite)
@Tom Burridge
Why do you lie about something that is so easily provable by a single Google search?
Why do you lie about something that is so easily provable by a single Google search?
Karen King
@Lawrence Aaluuluuq (RedWhite)
Because Trump does it daily so his followers think that's the way to go.
Because Trump does it daily so his followers think that's the way to go.
David R. Amos
@Stan Cox "There is no way in heck that Canada should feel pressured to agree to anything by Friday."
I agree furthermore why didn't the Yankees travel north to talk to us if they are in such a hurry?
I agree furthermore why didn't the Yankees travel north to talk to us if they are in such a hurry?
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David R. Amos
@Lawrence Aaluuluuq (RedWhite) "Why do you lie about something that is so easily provable by a single Google search?"
Methinks it for the same reason you do You cannot deny that all you had to do was Google my name before libeling me N'esy Pas?
Methinks it for the same reason you do You cannot deny that all you had to do was Google my name before libeling me N'esy Pas?
Ivan Nano
It will take the US decades to clean up the messes Trump is making.
David R. Amos
@Ivan Nano YUP
Joe Green
It does not look good for
Trump come this November and the elections to Congress. He is utterly
impotent to change anything with NAFTA without Congressional Approval.
That is certainly not going to happen as the lobbyists that created
NAFTA are abandoning him in droves. Even the money bags behind the
"Citizens United" none other than the Koch Bros have switched sides and
are actively working to undermine the Republican menace that they helped
create.
"Oh what a tangled web they weave, when first they practice to deceive"
"Oh what a tangled web they weave, when first they practice to deceive"
Stefania Ruffalo
@Joe Green
I somehow wonder (perhaps I shouldn't wonder out loud, as not to appear a conspiracy theorist...but nonetheless), is the establishment grooming Pence for the role and thus all the backlash against Trump?
I know he's horrible...he's just really bad at hiding it (unlike many before him and no doubt after).
Oh and I've always loved that last sentence...unfortunately it's much to prevalent in your everyday people too.
I somehow wonder (perhaps I shouldn't wonder out loud, as not to appear a conspiracy theorist...but nonetheless), is the establishment grooming Pence for the role and thus all the backlash against Trump?
I know he's horrible...he's just really bad at hiding it (unlike many before him and no doubt after).
Oh and I've always loved that last sentence...unfortunately it's much to prevalent in your everyday people too.
Robin Blair
@Joe Green
Everyone said Trump would never win last time either...………..
Everyone said Trump would never win last time either...………..
Karen King
@Jason Burroughs
Like the Repubs during Obama's time??
Like the Repubs during Obama's time??
David R. Amos
@Robin Blair True
David R. Amos
@Stefania Ruffalo "is the establishment grooming Pence for the role and thus all the backlash against Trump?"
Methinks many thought that out of the gate and the number is growing N'esy Pas?
Methinks many thought that out of the gate and the number is growing N'esy Pas?
john cromarty
I think its time for Canada to start to threaten Trump and show him what we can do to the states , in a matter of hours ! Ian Davis, former Research Associate at University of Waterloo (1993-2018)
President Trump is cherry picking..
The US uses growth hormones and antibiotics to increase milk production. This is not permitted in Canada, and thus US milk cannot be sold here. If it were to be sold here it would naturally be cheaper because US cows will produce more milk once suitably doctored.
What he does not say is that NAFTA gave the US access to our energy reserves, be those oil, electricity, etc. through two provisions. Canada could not reduce the quantity of energy shipped to the US and Canada could not sell that energy for more in the US than it was sold for in Canada.
NAFTA proved a win win for both countries. Canada got access to the US market and the US got access to much needed energy reserves. The biggest objection to NAFTA was that it risked Canada becoming a vassal state of the US, because we could no longer exercise an independent fiscal policy from the US. It was perhaps unwise for Canada to trust that the US would not subsequently engage in unfair trading practices as is now happening.
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like I have said time and time again , if trump hits the Canadian auto industry ,then we give him 48 hours to remove those hits or we shut down all the power crossing into the states , then tell Mr. Trump he has 24 more hours before we shut down the natural gas lines then an additional 24 hours then we shut down the oil pipelines . yes we will hurt also but not as bad as the states , but think about it do you really think it would last very long
Fern Dignard
@john cromarty
I don't agree, we should shut anything down. But we should rais the price enough to make it worth something to us.
You haven't even touched on the strongest lobby in the US. Pharmaceuticals. Before NAFTA, we allowed companies in Canada to do an end run around US drug patents and made our own. Copyright is another big one.
We should put the boots to Trump and let the next administration clean up his mess. They'd never get back what they lost.
I don't agree, we should shut anything down. But we should rais the price enough to make it worth something to us.
You haven't even touched on the strongest lobby in the US. Pharmaceuticals. Before NAFTA, we allowed companies in Canada to do an end run around US drug patents and made our own. Copyright is another big one.
We should put the boots to Trump and let the next administration clean up his mess. They'd never get back what they lost.
Colin Culligan
@john cromarty Yes we could do all of those things. We would simply be invaded if the lights went out in New York.
Gerald Simons
@Colin Culligan Don't be
ridiculous Colin. There's no way he would get away with that.
Period...it wouldn't even come to a vote. He would be seen as unhinged.
Peter Neziol
@john cromarty lots of “ fake “ in your opinion
John Mestills
@Howie Torrans
And they should charge more. Much more.
And they should charge more. Much more.
John Mestills
@Fern Dignard
Asymmetric battle grounds.
Asymmetric battle grounds.
Sandy Gillis
@Peter Neziol
Such as......
Such as......
john cromarty
@Fern Dignard ok I will agree with you on this
john cromarty
@Colin Culligan I don't think
so, you seem to forget that we have the common wealth on our side and
plus their is no way the rest of the world would stand by and do nothing
if they tried to invade us ,and you also have to remember that they
have not won a war since 1945 .. whoops forgot they did defeat Granada
lol
Lawrence Aaluuluuq (RedWhite)
@Colin Culligan
Oh, looky!
Another shiny, new Cambridge Ana lytica hire!
The borscht is right next to the Stoli, comrade!
Oh, looky!
Another shiny, new Cambridge Ana lytica hire!
The borscht is right next to the Stoli, comrade!
David R. Amos
@Lawrence Aaluuluuq (RedWhite) Methinks the liberals have hired some fairly nasty spin doctors N'esy Pas?
David R. Amos
@john cromarty I agree
John Douglas
"would like to negotiate fairly."
Trump is incapable of negotiating fairly
and he is unable to behave honourably
Trump is incapable of negotiating fairly
and he is unable to behave honourably
Lawrence Aaluuluuq (RedWhite)
@John Douglas
In other breaking news, the Pope is still Catholic, and water is still wet.
In other breaking news, the Pope is still Catholic, and water is still wet.
Igor Nordham
@John Douglas
Trump can't figure out how to use a phone. There is no way he understands his proposed trade agreement with Mexico or how to get it implemented.
Trump can't figure out how to use a phone. There is no way he understands his proposed trade agreement with Mexico or how to get it implemented.
Wayne Underhill
@Lawrence Aaluuluuq (RedWhite) And both flow with the tide.
David R. Amos
@John Douglas True
David R. Amos
@Wayne Underhill True
Fred Rogers
Screw Trump
Stefania Ruffalo
@Fred Rogers
Rather not, thanks.
What? Whoa! I'd say it's time for my second cup of coffee...
Rather not, thanks.
What? Whoa! I'd say it's time for my second cup of coffee...
Lawrence Aaluuluuq (RedWhite)
@Fred Rogers
I would rather slam my [rooster] in a car door, than do what Stormy did.
I would rather slam my [rooster] in a car door, than do what Stormy did.
Garfield Stephenson Wu
@Fred Rogers Yup. Will be
better if we just cut our losses and up our noses towards the loose
cannon in the White House, rejecting this draft deal the U.S and Mexico
has signed. Those two countries can have their cake and eat it, too. At
least Canada wouldn't have to worry about any potential food poisoning
that arises from that cake.
David R. Amos
@Garfield Stephenson Wu Well put
Ken MacDonald
Contrary to what some think, Canada's level-headed approach to trade negotiations is a good thing.
Christian Jane
@Ken MacDonald Key word: "Think". Not "react".
David R. Amos
@Ken MacDonald Methinks that
being level-headed is a myth when its comes to Trudeau The Younger
referring to the rest of us as peoplekind N'esy Pas?
http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/stock-markets-trade-canada-us-mexico-1.4801661
Markets react to trade talks: Investors are betting on a U.S.-Canada deal
The Canadian dollar is flying high on the prospect of a trade deal, but will it last?
· CBC News · Posted: Aug 28, 2018 2:50 PM ET
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David R. Amos
Interested folks should Google this ASAP ad ask their MP who I am
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Stan Cox
Canada would not be alone among western allies who are hoping for a positive change as a result of the US mid-terms.
Rob Clayton
@Stan Cox
Agreed ,one can only hope but Trump has a following that is based on MAGA slogans that seem to resonate with the American Public
Agreed ,one can only hope but Trump has a following that is based on MAGA slogans that seem to resonate with the American Public
Jamie Pike
@Stan Cox
About two weeks ago I challenged a Republican friend to name any Western Leader who has respect for Trump. I later opened it to include ANY national leader. Still no response after much prodding.
About two weeks ago I challenged a Republican friend to name any Western Leader who has respect for Trump. I later opened it to include ANY national leader. Still no response after much prodding.
Don Osmond
@Jamie Pike
My response would be, "Who cares?!"
Unlike Canada, we don't care if we are liked or not.
My response would be, "Who cares?!"
Unlike Canada, we don't care if we are liked or not.
Hird Kerry
@Stan Cox
Dragging our heals worked so well for the Kinder Morgan pipeline. Now taxpayer's are $7 billion on the hook for a nonexistent pipeline. The Liberals shouldn't be entrusted with a food truck, much less a national economy.
Dragging our heals worked so well for the Kinder Morgan pipeline. Now taxpayer's are $7 billion on the hook for a nonexistent pipeline. The Liberals shouldn't be entrusted with a food truck, much less a national economy.
Jamie Pike
@Don Osmond
Who said anything about "liked"?
Who said anything about "liked"?
David R. Amos
@Stan Cox True
David R. Amos
@Don Osmond "Unlike Canada, we don't care if we are liked or not."
Methinks you Yankees make that fact painfully obvious to the world on a daily basis N'esy Pas?
Methinks you Yankees make that fact painfully obvious to the world on a daily basis N'esy Pas?
https://twitter.com/DavidRayAmos/with_replies
David Raymond Amos @DavidRayAmos
http://davidraymondamos3.blogspot.com/2017/02/re-fatca-nafta-tpp-etc-attn-president.html
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/tasker-freeland-nafta-talks-trump-1.4801706
David Raymond Amos @DavidRayAmos
http://davidraymondamos3.blogspot.com/2017/02/re-fatca-nafta-tpp-etc-attn-president.html
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/tasker-freeland-nafta-talks-trump-1.4801706
Trudeau 'encouraged' by NAFTA progress as Canada faces pressure to sign or face auto tariffs
Canada's top concern is chapter 19 of NAFTA, the dispute settlement mechanism, sources say
· CBC News · Posted: Aug 28, 2018 12:38 PM ET
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David R. Amos
Hey Folks Just Google David
Amos Federal Court scroll down to Statement 83 and say Hey to Trudeau
The Younger and his MPs for me will ya?
David R. Amos
Interested folks should Google this ASAP ad ask their MP who I am
trump cohen david amos nafta fatca tpp
In a nutshell I ran for public office five times after the Yankee tried to take me to Gimo because I began to win judgements in 2 lawsuits in which 3 US Treasury Agents were also sued. 6 months later in November of 2003 I cause a hearing before the US Senate Banking Committee about the financial Industry and its records have now evaporated During the election of the 42nd Parliament i sued the Crown while running against the Cabinet Minister Rob Moore again. (Google Fundy Royal Debate)
Please find Federal Court File # T-1557-15 (Google David Amos Federal Court) scroll down to Statement 83 and ask your MP about it ASAP
trump cohen david amos nafta fatca tpp
Tom Tweney
@David R. Amos That's too much trouble ,tell us here who you are
David R. Amos
@Tom Tweney Thanks for asking
In a nutshell I ran for public office five times after the Yankee tried to take me to Gimo because I began to win judgements in 2 lawsuits in which 3 US Treasury Agents were also sued. 6 months later in November of 2003 I cause a hearing before the US Senate Banking Committee about the financial Industry and its records have now evaporated During the election of the 42nd Parliament i sued the Crown while running against the Cabinet Minister Rob Moore again. (Google Fundy Royal Debate)
Please find Federal Court File # T-1557-15 (Google David Amos Federal Court) scroll down to Statement 83 and ask your MP about it ASAP
Tom Tweney
Canada doesn't need the USA.
We should tell GM, FORD, and CHRYSLER and all other US companies to
close their plants here and go back to the US. Prime Minister Gerald
Butt knows what he is doing and what is best for Canadastan
David R. Amos
@Tom Tweney I agree
William Miller
Canada could be headed for a disaster.
Mar Pell
@William Miller
We already lived through that when the Cons were in power,
We already lived through that when the Cons were in power,
David R. Amos
@William Miller YUP
Tom Tweney
@William Miller We are already in disaster mode, here in the People's Republic of Canadastan, ruled by the Liberals
Matthew Noble
It will take a generation to
sort out Canada-US relations after Trump. Best to just cut ties and
worry about ourselves. No short term solution available on any front as
long as Trump is in the white house.
David R. Amos
@Matthew Noble I agree
John Smythe (Let's Take Another Look at This)
She really doesnt resonate confidence or capability , and in the arena of public lens negotiation thats not good for Canada.
Maybe the ploy to not make a deal without Mexico was a bad one?
Maybe the ploy to not make a deal without Mexico was a bad one?
Matthew Noble
@John Smythe (Let's Take Another Look at This)
Mexico says they have no intention of a bi-lateral deal, and that they are only negotiating with the intent to modify NAFTA.
so Mexico has not 'abandoned' Canada.
Mexico says they have no intention of a bi-lateral deal, and that they are only negotiating with the intent to modify NAFTA.
so Mexico has not 'abandoned' Canada.
David R. Amos
@John Smythe (Let's Take Another Look at This) Perhaps she will cry and walk out again then Trump will take pity on us
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/wherry-freeland-ceta-1.3824374
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/wherry-freeland-ceta-1.3824374
Matthew Noble
Nobody is going to buy american meat and dairy anyways. Non issue, as their corn fed animals produce terrible products.
No agreement unless in our favor!!!
Keep Canada great.
No agreement unless in our favor!!!
Keep Canada great.
David R. Amos
@Matthew Noble I prefer no agreement
Jane Smith
It's a double edged sword -
we'll be viewed as weak and caving to Trump's unreasonable demands if we
sign, if we don't it will be a failure to negotiate effectively.
David R. Amos
@Jane Smith Its Trump's failure not ours
Johnny Bail
Time to move away from NAFTA and take back control of our own economy. Like Brexit we need a Canexit.
David R. Amos
@Johnny Bail I have been screaming just exactly that for years
Charles A. Brown
Canadians pay double for dairy products to ensure political support for the Liberals in Central Canada...
The Liberals are back doing what they do best....pandering to their support base, and paying for it with OPM.
The Liberals are back doing what they do best....pandering to their support base, and paying for it with OPM.
David R. Amos
@Charles A. Brown The Liberals are back doing what they do best....pandering to their support base, and paying for it with OPM.
YUP
YUP
John Simmons
Canada has no time , no leverage, and no friends (Mexico did NOT stand with Canada).
It should never have come to this,. Now, Canada has two choices, accept NOT on their terms or reject,
both are loose loose for Canada.
This will go down as the biggest economic trade deal failure of ANY Canadian government. The
Liberal party of Canada has failed ALL Canadians on a colossal scale.
With all their spins and excuses no amount of lipstick on this pig will help what is about to happen.
It should never have come to this,. Now, Canada has two choices, accept NOT on their terms or reject,
both are loose loose for Canada.
This will go down as the biggest economic trade deal failure of ANY Canadian government. The
Liberal party of Canada has failed ALL Canadians on a colossal scale.
With all their spins and excuses no amount of lipstick on this pig will help what is about to happen.
David Scott
@John Simmons
Comrade Smmontosky go back to your gulag.
Comrade Smmontosky go back to your gulag.
David R. Amos
@David Scott You are not very witty are ya?
David R. Amos
@John Simmons "With all their spins and excuses no amount of lipstick on this pig will help what is about to happen."
True
True
Daniel McIntyre
Constructive meeting eh, must be due to the participation of our most famous serving "architect" a.k.a. Sajjan.
David R. Amos
@Daniel McIntyre LOL
Joyce Hope Shortell
Freeland needs to do what is best for all Canadians including renegotiating supply management.
Ken Michel
@Joyce Hope Shortell I agree.
And the US needs to negotiate their massive farm subsidies in kind.
Otherwise, our dairy and poultry farmers will be crushed.
David R. Amos
@Ken Michel YUP
Brian Ellick
I did more research. This
lonk has the U.S. subsidity for American dairy from 1995 - 2016 - 5.6.
billion dollars or 267 million dollars a year. They have tonnes of milk
products on ice ready to dump somewhere and Canada is so conveniently
close!
The Environmental Working Group is an American activist group that specializes in research and advocacy in the areas of agricultural subsidies, public lands, and corporate accountability. EWG is a non-profit organization.
https://farm.ewg.org/progdetail.php?fips=00000&progcode=dairy
The Environmental Working Group is an American activist group that specializes in research and advocacy in the areas of agricultural subsidies, public lands, and corporate accountability. EWG is a non-profit organization.
https://farm.ewg.org/progdetail.php?fips=00000&progcode=dairy
Charles A. Brown
@Brian Ellick
Dairy in Canada represents about 14 billion dollars in annual sales....which are propped up by at LEAST 7 billion in tariffs....we're paying double, because the Yankees spend a lousy quarter of a billion in tax money supporting their industry????
The U.S. subsidies are MINUSCULE....why are they even a consideration????
Dairy in Canada represents about 14 billion dollars in annual sales....which are propped up by at LEAST 7 billion in tariffs....we're paying double, because the Yankees spend a lousy quarter of a billion in tax money supporting their industry????
The U.S. subsidies are MINUSCULE....why are they even a consideration????
David R. Amos
@Charles A. Brown Good Point
Alfred Kaufmann
In reality it is Trump that
is desperate for some quick win to draw the press away from all the bad
news about to happen to him and his family. Whatever Canada signs I
hope they keep the dispute resolutions tribunal because you know the
U.S. will not honour their commitments if it turns out they are not in
their favour.
Charles A. Brown
@Alfred Kaufmann
Hardly, the negotiations have ALWAYS had a target date for completion to beat the turn-over of the Mexican government in December, minus 90 days for ratification.
The date was no secret......Freeland just ignored it until we were pushed into a corner.
Hardly, the negotiations have ALWAYS had a target date for completion to beat the turn-over of the Mexican government in December, minus 90 days for ratification.
The date was no secret......Freeland just ignored it until we were pushed into a corner.
David R. Amos
@Charles A. Brown True
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Interested folks should Google this ASAP ad ask their MP who I am
trump cohen david amos nafta fatca tpp
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"POOF"
Lily O'Loughlin
Trump has trouble with a word too - it's T R U T H
David R. Amos
@Lily O'Loughlin Methinks Trump and his many lawyers should Google the following ASAP N'esy Pas?
trump cohen david amos nafta fatca tpp
trump cohen david amos nafta fatca tpp
Mike Hamilton
@David R. Amos Why would
Trump, his lawyers, or anyone else, be interested in reading your little
blog? All it shows is a bunch of emails you sent and the form letter
returns you got in response.
I tried searching Google for N'esy Pas, in case that would shed some light on your blog, but I got nowhere.
I tried searching Google for N'esy Pas, in case that would shed some light on your blog, but I got nowhere.
Patricia Henderson
@David R. Amos I got so
tired of your "methinks" and "N'esy Pas" that I blocked you, but somehow
CBC let your comment through to my screen....sigh. It was cute the
first 30 times, but by now, just annoying. Can you maybe just make your
point without the cuteness?
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David R. Amos
@Mike Hamilton Methinks you get the governments you deserve N'esy Pas?
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David R. Amos
@Patricia Henderson Methinks you failed to ask me if I cared what you think N'esy Pas?
James Timberly
@Mike Hamilton “I tried searching Google for N'esy Pas, in case that would shed some light on your blog, but I got nowhere.”
That’s the point. it’s just a way of insulting part of our culture that gets past the moderators.
That’s the point. it’s just a way of insulting part of our culture that gets past the moderators.
David R. Amos
@James Timberly "That’s the point. it’s just a way of insulting part of our culture " ????
Methinks you English dudes have no understanding of Chiac N'esy Pas?
Methinks you English dudes have no understanding of Chiac N'esy Pas?
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David R. Amos
@David R. Amos Methinks it
was interesting that both comments stood for hours but when the
questionable Mr Timberly commented they went suddenly "Poof" Nesy Pas?
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David R. Amos
@James Timberly Methinks folks should Google this instead N'esy Pas?
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@David R. Amos Shame on CBC
Darcy O'Neil
Does anyone play poker? Don't
fold just because the other guy looks like he might win. Trump is
bluffing, the US Congress has to pass any money/trade bills and so many
congressmen and women have states that Canada is the #1 exporter too,
they just could not vote for a Mexico/US only trade bill. It would be
political suicide. Trump is bluffing, Conservatives are falling for it.
David R. Amos
@Richard Sharp 217
David R. Amos
@Jacob Hobart "Bluffing? No. It's simple divide and conquer."
YUP
YUP
Kimmy Smith
@Findlay McCoy plenty of US senators from states that do in fact need Canada as much as we need them.
David R. Amos
@Kimmy Smith YUP
Jim Payne
Notice the only ones flailing are the CPC supporters?
David R. Amos
@Jim Payne NOPE You liberals are looking pretty bad too
Lawrence Aaluuluuq (RedWhite)
@Carlson Tucker
And as a Conservative, you feel your "You're either with us, or you're with the child pornographers" party represents Canada better?
Puh.
F-[expletive deleted]-ing.
Leeze.
And as a Conservative, you feel your "You're either with us, or you're with the child pornographers" party represents Canada better?
Puh.
F-[expletive deleted]-ing.
Leeze.
David R. Amos
@Lawrence Aaluuluuq (RedWhite) Methinks that was rather nasty of you N'esy Pas?
bill maclean
Canada shouldn't except any
deal unless softwood lumber is included. It's time to put the pressure
on, not back off. We can build our own cars if need be. We have
everything here.
David R. Amos
@bill maclean I agree
Steve Whitaker
“Nafta was enacted with legislation... Similarly a change to Nafta requires legislation.”
Trump likes to tweet that he can cancel and withdraw from things.
But he can't.
Ignore the tweets.
Trump likes to tweet that he can cancel and withdraw from things.
But he can't.
Ignore the tweets.
David R. Amos
@Steve Whitaker "Ignore the tweets."
Methinks a lots of folks enjoy the circus too much to ignore his ridiculous tweets N'esy Pas?
Methinks a lots of folks enjoy the circus too much to ignore his ridiculous tweets N'esy Pas?
Mike Crow
@Steve Whitaker
He also tweeted that he saved the world by denuclearizing North Korea.
He also tweeted that he saved the world by denuclearizing North Korea.
.
David R. Amos
@Mike Crow True
Mike Hamilton
I doubt if Freeland has indeed skills for the job. As a former journalist she has no proper education and experience to do this.
David R. Amos
@Mike Hamilton Methinks many
would agree that you have no skills to be a critic particularly after
you failed to understand a simple blog that contains simple truths about
your Yankee hero Mr Trump N'esy Pas?
Kitty Sullivan
@David R. Amos
Methinks you're doing this on purpose to get a rise out of people.
Actually no, I know for certain that you are.
Quite immature, n'est pas? Yes, yes it is.
Methinks you're doing this on purpose to get a rise out of people.
Actually no, I know for certain that you are.
Quite immature, n'est pas? Yes, yes it is.
Mick Loosemore
@Kitty Sullivan Sure is! Just
an egomaniac. No life. He once suggested we google something like
"David Amos Supreme court' I did. Guy obviously leads a sad life. Sorry,
David...I hope you get better some day.
@Mike Hamilton
And when we get the deal we want will you eat your words? I'm guessing not.
And when we get the deal we want will you eat your words? I'm guessing not.
David R. Amos
@Kitty Sullivan Trust that you clearly do not have the first clue about Chiac or who I am
James Rielly
@Mike Hamilton You do know
that Canada has a highly skilled team of negotiators that Freeland get
her advice from and that she doesn't change Canada's position on any
item without approval from the PMO.
David R. Amos
@Mick Loosemore WRONG
I said to Google David Amos Federal Court
I said to Google David Amos Federal Court
David R. Amos
@James Fitzgibbon As I said many times
Welcome to the Circus
Welcome to the Circus
David R. Amos
@James Rielly YUP
David R. Amos
@Mike Hamilton "Why would
Trump, his lawyers, or anyone else, be interested in reading your little
blog? All it shows is a bunch of emails you sent and the form letter
returns you got in response. I tried searching Google for N'esy Pas, in
case that would shed some light on your blog, but I got nowhere."
Methinks there is nothing wrong with my blog or my Chiac. However there is something wrong with you and CBC. Obviously you got more dislikes than likes after the top thread in which you attacked me went "POOF". That said everybody knows that Trump or Trudeau or anyone else can Google the following then scroll down to statement 83 of my lawsuit against the Crown and start wonder about a lot of things N'esy Pas?
David Amos Federal Court
Jim McAlpine
We'll be happy to fix our
supply management system for milk, if the US promises to stop
subsidizing their milk production to the tune of $22B a year! Let's
level the playing field and let the best farmers get the business they
deserve. Taxpayers should not be paying for milk aside from at the
store.
David R. Amos
@Myles Grant "A few days of rolling blackouts might bring the Americans to their senses."
YUP
YUP
robert williams
Stall, Trump needs this done
before the end of the week so Congress can vote on it. The reason is
that they and the old Mexican Admin can get this through before the new
Admin in Mexico is sworn in. Plus you have the Midterms in the US in Nov
and possibly a Democrat led Congress as well after that. Don't buckle
or you risk having both the new US Congress and the new Mex Admin ticked
off. Trumps a lame duck anyway.
David R. Amos
@robert williams Methinks many Trump supporters know I agree with you N'esy Pas?
Mark Oliver
Trump doesn't "negotiate", he uses bully threats and illegal actions to divide his opponents. There will be a reckoning one day.
David R. Amos
@Mark Oliver "Like all bully's, he's emboldened when his target cowers."
True
True
Mathieu Dumais
Asking congress to tear up NAFTA and exclude its largest trading partner during the midterms will fail.
David R. Amos
@Mathieu Dumais I concur
John Jones
Never in the annals of
Canadian politics has an sitting prime minster been as humiliated and
out-smarted by the leader south of the border as Trudeau.
David R. Amos
@John Jones I agree
David R. Amos
@John Smith "One thing for sure, JT has no term limit."
Methinks the voters may disagree with you N'esy Pas?
Methinks the voters may disagree with you N'esy Pas?
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http://davidraymondamos3.blogspot.com/2018/07/litigation-lmbo-with-trump-and-his.html
https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/preliminary-us-mexico-trade-deal-uncertain-trump-freeland-1.4801470
Preliminary U.S.-Mexico trade deal leaves trail of questions unanswered for Canada
Canadian Foreign Affairs Minister Freeland heads to Washington today in effort to restart negotiations
The Associated Press · Posted: Aug 28, 2018 8:43 AM ET
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David R. Amos
Interested folks should Google this ASAP ad ask their MP who I am
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Paul Arnill
Bernier is looking wiser in all of this all the time
David R. Amos
@Paul Arnill Kinda sorta
Raj sharma
Canadians hate Trump who is
just asking Canada to open its markets. It is not about 270% tariffs in
one industry, what about telecom & internet, Canadians love to pay
highest internet prices, why? What about US banks, what about freedom
to buy from Amazon in USA at cheapest price.
Germany has private and public healthcare, so has many other countries. What is this fascination with paying endless taxes in name of so called healthcare in which, one is lucky to see specialist even after months, it takes endless time to get specific diagnostic tests done and one can't see a doctor for close to 20 hrs in case of fracture. All money being taken in name of this so called "public healthcare" with endless waiting times, no service and ego of doctors.
Why Canadians love paying away all their money to others, can't we spend money ourselves? Has anyone traveled outside Canada to know what is real service and competition.
Germany has private and public healthcare, so has many other countries. What is this fascination with paying endless taxes in name of so called healthcare in which, one is lucky to see specialist even after months, it takes endless time to get specific diagnostic tests done and one can't see a doctor for close to 20 hrs in case of fracture. All money being taken in name of this so called "public healthcare" with endless waiting times, no service and ego of doctors.
Why Canadians love paying away all their money to others, can't we spend money ourselves? Has anyone traveled outside Canada to know what is real service and competition.
Paul Arnill
@Raj sharma Canadians don't hate Trump. He has no class but he has the American economy rolling and deals with some sacred cows
David R. Amos
@Paul Arnill I know I love watching the Circus The Donald oversees
Raj sharma
Billy Boy keep on provoking
the leader next door so that Canadians can pay highest prices for dairy
in absence of any competition. I want choice in market. US dairy
products are way cheaper with lot of choice from all over world. This
self proclaimed nonsense by self interests groups is not good for
country, bring me choice in market.
Billy Boy is showing ego to Trump, last time it backfired, it will again, Trump will just take away all automotive jobs from Canada. Billy Boy will enjoy his trust fund and once America become firm, our country ego & romance with liberals will be over.
By the way Billy Boy, I don't want to pay highest prices for internet in world. Allow some competition in country instead of only socks, politics, selfies and "moral posturing." I have to buy clothes from USA and then you charge me duties, other day I paid $ 14 on top of $ 70 order while going to post office to receive it. America doesn't do it to Canadian companies, moreover secret is now out in open.
Boy I am tired of your virtue signalling, just get some educated negotiator instead of journalist to get NAFTA deal done. Trump is in no mood for ego of a "taker."
Billy Boy is showing ego to Trump, last time it backfired, it will again, Trump will just take away all automotive jobs from Canada. Billy Boy will enjoy his trust fund and once America become firm, our country ego & romance with liberals will be over.
By the way Billy Boy, I don't want to pay highest prices for internet in world. Allow some competition in country instead of only socks, politics, selfies and "moral posturing." I have to buy clothes from USA and then you charge me duties, other day I paid $ 14 on top of $ 70 order while going to post office to receive it. America doesn't do it to Canadian companies, moreover secret is now out in open.
Boy I am tired of your virtue signalling, just get some educated negotiator instead of journalist to get NAFTA deal done. Trump is in no mood for ego of a "taker."
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David R. Amos
@Raj sharma Welcome to the Circus
Methinks that nobody can deny that I have been warning folks for years N'esy Pas?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-cFOKT6TlSE
Methinks that nobody can deny that I have been warning folks for years N'esy Pas?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-cFOKT6TlSE
Hébert Bourguignon
"Ex-Mexican president tells Trudeau: Don’t betray us on NAFTA"
https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2017/11/19/ex-mexican-president-tells-trudeau-dont-be-judas-and-betray-us-on-nafta.html
https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2017/11/19/ex-mexican-president-tells-trudeau-dont-be-judas-and-betray-us-on-nafta.html
David R. Amos
@Hébert Bourguignon Who cares he is history. Lets wait and see what the new dude says next year.
Jeremy Paddock
?!!!…..Preliminary U.S.-Mexico trade deal leaves trail of questions unanswered for Canada
....!!!!
Dah...could it be that a trade deal between the US and Mexico has nothing to do with Canada?
....!!!!
Dah...could it be that a trade deal between the US and Mexico has nothing to do with Canada?
David R. Amos
@Jeremy Paddock Exactly
james Mckenna
Trump will never forgive
Trudeau (Canada) if he does not get the deal done and they lose the
"house" in the coming elections. Get ready for some stormy weather.
David R. Amos
@james Mckenna I can't wait
james Mckenna
"When the Canadian Senate blocked ratification, Mr. Mulroney called an election in the autumn of 1988. " (hint/hint)
David R. Amos
@james Mckenna Methinks we have an election coming soon anyway N'esy Pas?
james Mckenna
I admire Justin for not
getting involved in something he has no clue about, but it is scary that
he has to leave things up to his rookie cabinet ministers who are no
better..
David R. Amos
@james Mckenna YUP
Bill Baird
There is no deal, this is typical Trump reality TV show style posturing.
David R. Amos
@Bill Baird YUP
Neil Austen
So Trump caved on having the sunset clause he so wanted. So weak. If that was the case NAFTA would have been a successful deal months ago. Trump is such a clown. He causes all the problems and then submits to losing, but then declares victory. Has there been a more disgusting human being sitting as President of the U.S. ? There is no NAFTA deal without Canada and a solely Mexico deal is pretty much useless for Trump as his failure in NAFTA will seal his fate in midterm elections. Canada will decide the fate of NAFTA regardless of what Mexico has agreed to
David R. Amos
@Neil Austen Methinks I
should ask is did the Yankee Robert Lighthizer and his fellow lawyers
review the info I sent them and many others over a month ago N'esy Pas?
Andy Steinbach
I called this yesterday.
Trump would try to use this and spin fake news and try to bully us
again. Try and make himself look 'bigger' than he really is. He needs
all the help he can get in that respect.
David R. Amos
@Andy Steinbach "I called this yesterday"
Methinks Many people know that I began calling and emailing Trump's lawyers in the summer of 2015 and the Yankee Robert Lighthizer last month Hence I am way ahead of you N'esy Pas?
Methinks Many people know that I began calling and emailing Trump's lawyers in the summer of 2015 and the Yankee Robert Lighthizer last month Hence I am way ahead of you N'esy Pas?
Ash Khar
Not the time to be
conservative or liberal. It is time to be Canadian and think of Canada's
interests. Or do we also want to be a divided nation along party lines?
The posts in this forum predict a bleak future ....
David R. Amos
@Ash Khar "Not the time to be conservative or liberal. It is time to be Canadian and think of Canada's interests."
Methinks everybody should agree. I appears that Trump wants us to overlook the obvious. In a nutshell there is no hurry for Trudeau The Younger to make a bad deal before the Yankee mid term elections and the Mexican President leaves office. N'esy Pas?
Methinks everybody should agree. I appears that Trump wants us to overlook the obvious. In a nutshell there is no hurry for Trudeau The Younger to make a bad deal before the Yankee mid term elections and the Mexican President leaves office. N'esy Pas?
Heath Tierney
So is Mexico paying for your wall, Donald?
Nope, didn't think so.
Another fail.
Nope, didn't think so.
Another fail.
Heath Tierney
@Rob Kov
The wall is a symptom of everything that is wrong with the trump White House.
The wall is a symptom of everything that is wrong with the trump White House.
David R. Amos
@Heath Tierney YUP
Kevin Delaney
Trump is using Mexico to get
at Canada. Smoke. Pure Smoke. There may well be some useful items and we
shall see. Trusting Trump? Never. Trump has one objective here... get
the right headline for Nov.
Canada needs to... Stand On Guard... now more than ever. Trump is an attack on Canada.
Canada needs to... Stand On Guard... now more than ever. Trump is an attack on Canada.
@Kevin Delaney "Trump is using Mexico to get at Canada. Smoke. Pure Smoke."
Stan Cox
Trump declares a 'victory' every time he combs over his hair.
Canada should bide its time - and await the jury decisions.
Canada should bide its time - and await the jury decisions.
David R. Amos
@Stan Cox "Canada should bide its time - and await the jury decisions."
Methinks we should at least wait until the Yankee mid term elections are history and the new Mexican President assumes office N'esy Pas?
Methinks we should at least wait until the Yankee mid term elections are history and the new Mexican President assumes office N'esy Pas?
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David Raymond Amos @DavidRayAmos
http://davidraymondamos3.blogspot.com/2018/08/trump-announces-us-mexico-trade-deal-to.html
https://www.cbc.ca/news/opinion/nafta-canada-1.4800838
For Canada, a bad NAFTA deal is better than no deal at all
There are no poison pills left — only bitter ones for Canada to swallow
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George Economou
Stupid article encouraging
surrender to a bad administration, we have many options and Orange will
blink first if we use them as we can and should. I am not a liberal
pundit , politics has nothing to do with this , it's in our national
interests to protect Canadian workers and consumers. we have already
given up so much the past 20 years or so, look at the loonie and where
it's trading.
David R. Amos
@George Economou "Stupid article encouraging surrender to a bad administration"
I wholeheartedly agree
I wholeheartedly agree
Fred Rogers
Canada existed before NAFTA.
We were fine.
Some might argue we were better.
Trump can take a long walk of a short pier.
We were fine.
Some might argue we were better.
Trump can take a long walk of a short pier.
David R. Amos
@Fred Rogers "Canada existed before NAFTA. We were fine. Some might argue we were better."
Methinks everybody in the know knows why I dislike NAFTA N'esy Pas?
Methinks everybody in the know knows why I dislike NAFTA N'esy Pas?
Jim McAlpine
So an ex-aide to Harper is
saying Trudeau has to cave in to Captain Orange? Not likely. There's
no doubt that Harper would have folded to the US like a cheap suit, but
we need to be tough on this or they will roll over us on every issue we
face.
If we are smart, we take our time and ensure the deal is as good as we can get it. Trump himself has said this isn't NAFTA - it's a new deal (what a mistake!), so reviewing a completely new deal (even though we know it's just a tweaked NAFTA deal) should take long enough to ensure the House and Congress has been rejigged with more favourable representation. Congress has to approve any major changes to an agreement they want to be trilateral.
Take your time, Canada, take your time.
If we are smart, we take our time and ensure the deal is as good as we can get it. Trump himself has said this isn't NAFTA - it's a new deal (what a mistake!), so reviewing a completely new deal (even though we know it's just a tweaked NAFTA deal) should take long enough to ensure the House and Congress has been rejigged with more favourable representation. Congress has to approve any major changes to an agreement they want to be trilateral.
Take your time, Canada, take your time.
David R. Amos
@Jim McAlpine "So an ex-aide to Harper is saying Trudeau has to cave in to Captain Orange?"
Methinks thats kinda special in light of Harper's not so secret visit to the White House not so long ago N'esy Pas?
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/harper-white-house-west-wing-1.4731144
Methinks thats kinda special in light of Harper's not so secret visit to the White House not so long ago N'esy Pas?
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/harper-white-house-west-wing-1.4731144
Michael Finlay
Considering the author of
this article, it's no surprise the doom and gloom. She was with Harper
when he tried to sell Canada out from under us. It's an opinion piece,
not actual news, or in her case, actual facts.
When you've got 2/3 of US States saying they need Canada to maintain their economy, and a Senate that understands the reality of, well, everything, compared to Trump, Canada is actually in a good position.
Yesterday morning, when all this was breaking, all the networks were saying "NAFTA is dead"...Well, after a bit of research, they took their hand off the panic button, and walked backed on most of their rhetoric once they actually had the facts that there was no actual deal, and the Trump couldn't actually "Kill NAFTA"
Trudeau is handling this right, like an adult. He has to, considering the Child occupying the White House.
When you've got 2/3 of US States saying they need Canada to maintain their economy, and a Senate that understands the reality of, well, everything, compared to Trump, Canada is actually in a good position.
Yesterday morning, when all this was breaking, all the networks were saying "NAFTA is dead"...Well, after a bit of research, they took their hand off the panic button, and walked backed on most of their rhetoric once they actually had the facts that there was no actual deal, and the Trump couldn't actually "Kill NAFTA"
Trudeau is handling this right, like an adult. He has to, considering the Child occupying the White House.
David R. Amos
@Michael Finlay "She was with
Harper when he tried to sell Canada out from under us. It's an opinion
piece, not actual news, or in her case, actual facts. "
Oh So True
Oh So True
Alan Hanchard
The author is clearly in the
Trump/Bernier camp. President Bonespurs can take a flying leap. 35
Governors and the Senate know how important Canada is to their
economies.
David R. Amos
@Alan Hanchard I concur
Philip Weigel
I don't get where
conservative commentators and ex Harper aides continue to tell us we
should constantly sell ourselves short for a bad deal. Like it's great
the author here has an opinion but she is just like Harper in the sense
that she believes we must deal from a position of weakness instead of
one where we are allies with the US and Mexico.
Canada should never sign a bad deal just to have one
Canada should never sign a bad deal just to have one
David R. Amos
@Philip Weigel "Canada should never sign a bad deal just to have one"
Methinks that is just common sense but that was a rare thing to find in the Harper PMO N'esy Pas?
Methinks that is just common sense but that was a rare thing to find in the Harper PMO N'esy Pas?
Brad Mercier
@David R. Amos
Bugger off you dipshiite
Bugger off you dipshiite
David R. Amos
@Brad Mercier Methinks you are witty for a Harperite N'esy Pas?
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David Raymond Amos @DavidRayAmos
Methinks its strange Saudi's Tweet about me but Freeland doesn't have
the first clue who I am Anyone can Google the following N'esy Pas?
trump cohen david amos nafta fatca tpp
trump cohen david amos nafta fatca tpp
http://davidraymondamos3.blogspot.com/2018/08/trump-announces-us-mexico-trade-deal-to.html
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/nafta-us-mexico-progress-monday-1.4800182
Trump announces U.S.-Mexico trade deal to replace NAFTA, and says 'we will see' if Canada can join
PMO says Trudeau and Trump held 'constructive conversation'; Freeland heads to Washington
· CBC News · Posted: Aug 27, 2018 10:24 AM ET
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Two top threads went "POOF" but at least I managed to save my comments within them before they did
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David R. Amos
@David Rodgers "Love the liberals on here, making all the excuses they can"
Methinks Conservatives make just as many odd comments after they Google the following N'esy Pas?
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David R. Amos
@David R. Amos trump cohen fatca nafta tpp david amos
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David R. Amos
@Steve Whitaker YUP
Al Heywood
Canada has been badly served by the Trudeau liberal government.
David R. Amos
@jim mika Methinks its
strange that even the Saudi's understand and Tweet about me but
Freeland does not have even the first clue yet N'esy Pas?
Carlson Tucker
This is what Trudeau considers "winning".
David R. Amos
@Carlson Tucker Methinks anyone can Google the following N'esy Pas?
trump cohen david amos nafta fatca tpp
trump cohen david amos nafta fatca tpp
Trump warns Congress to keep out of NAFTA talks with Canada
'There is no political necessity to keep Canada in the new NAFTA deal,' U.S. president tweets
U.S. President Donald Trump renewed his threat to withdraw entirely from the North American Free Trade Agreement on Saturday and warned Congress to butt out of negotiations with Canada.
The latest Twitter volley came as Prime Minister Justin Trudeau sought the advice of a man who understands the pressure-cooker of high-stakes trade negotiations — former prime minister Brian Mulroney.
Trudeau worked the phones Saturday in the aftermath of Friday's deadlocked trade negotiations with Washington.
Trump has threatened to impose tariffs on Canadian auto imports, which could lead to job losses in the auto sector.
The consultations took place after Canadian and American negotiators failed to reach a deal by Friday's deadline amid reports that Trump had said he would not compromise at all to get a deal with Canada. They agreed to resume talks on Wednesday.
The deadline had been set by the Trump Administration, because the White House is trying to sign a new trade pact before Mexican President Enrique Pena Nieto leaves office on Dec. 1.
Trump, however, kept up the pressure on social media, saying "there is no political necessity to keep Canada in the new NAFTA deal."
"If they can't strike an agreement that is good to the U.S. "Canada will be out," he went on to write.
I love Canada, but they’ve taken advantage of our Country for many years!
Trump also warned U.S. lawmakers, who have become increasingly uneasy that the new trade deal, formally signalled in a letter to Congress Friday, might not include Canada. The deal would then not be a reworked version of NAFTA, but a bilateral U.S.-Mexico trade deal.
"Congress should not interfere [with] these negotiations or I will simply terminate NAFTA entirely [and] we will be far better off..." Trump tweeted.
Both Republicans and Democrats have objected to a straight up bilateral deal with Mexico. Republican Senate Majority Leader John Cornyn was quoted by the American media on Wednesday saying that, without Canada, it would, "reduce the likelihood that it would actually be approved."
....Remember, NAFTA was one of the WORST Trade Deals ever made. The U.S. lost thousands of businesses and millions of jobs. We were far better off before NAFTA - should never have been signed. Even the Vat Tax was not accounted for. We make new deal or go back to pre-NAFTA!
Canadian officials, speaking on background Saturday, said they were not going to respond to tweets.
They said it's not the first time the tactic has been used and the comments are "designed to pressure us and it's not going to work."
"As we've said all week, we're working toward a modernized NAFTA, a modernized NAFTA that will be good for Canada and the middle class," said Cameron Ahmad. "We will only sign a good deal and we will not negotiate in public."
Under NAFTA's withdrawal rules, Trump must give six months' notice to the leaders of Canada and Mexico, the other stakeholders in the current pact, for the U.S. to pull out. He also must seek the support of Congress to pass such a change.
The Conservative Opposition grew more impatient on Saturday and described the absence of a deal as a "botched" negotiation where Canada was left on the sidelines.
"The Mexicans simply outhustled us," said Lisa Raitt, the Conservative Party deputy leader.
"They knew they needed to get a deal, how important it was to their country. And when they had the opportunity to move their auto talks on bilateral standards — or auto tariffs — to the next level of talking about everything else, including intellectual property and sunset clauses, they took the opportunity."
Next week's NAFTA challenge: Restore momentum after Trump's latest 'bullying'
U.S. President bragged about deal 'totally on our terms,' but Freeland isn't giving up
As he left the stage after an event in Charlotte, North Carolina Friday, Donald Trump's team played the song You Can't Always Get What You Want by the Rolling Stones.
It is fun to imagine it as a commentary on the NAFTA talks — but was it a message for Canada, or Trump's supporters?
The renegotiation of the North American Free Trade Agreement hit a rough patch Friday morning, after Trump's "off the record" comments about how the U.S. would not make any compromises and that any deal with Canada would be "totally on our terms."
"I've never seen in my experience this kind of bullying, just abject bullying," said Jennifer Hillman, a former international trade adjudicator and general counsel in the U.S. Trade Representative's office. "I don't believe the majority of Americans support this."
Worse for Trump's supporters, it isn't delivering. "This is a lot of talk of getting good deals, but we haven't seen any," she said.
Before Friday morning, Foreign Affairs Minister Chrystia Freeland had been emphasizing the "goodwill" that was evident throughout several "intense" sessions with American negotiators. Then Canadians had to acknowledge Trump's unhelpful comments at the table. Freeland shifted back to firm talking points about only signing a deal that was good for Canada. Negotiations paused for the weekend.
Foreign Affairs Minister
Chrystia Freeland told reporters she's optimistic a deal is still within
reach, but 'we're not there yet.' 1:00
Having more time is a good thing, Hillman said, because she figures there is no deal without all three.
'Would this even work?'
"If Canada is not in, it has big implications on the rest of the text and you're going to have to start rethinking a lot of the concepts that are in the text," she said. The rules of origin that Mexico negotiated — such as requiring 75 per cent North American content in vehicles — were premised on existing supply chains that stretch across three countries, not two.
"If you pull Canadian content out, I don't know if they can get to that 75 per cent, particularly if they have a lot of Canadian aluminum or steel," she said. "All of a sudden: would this even work?"
Politics News
Freeland says auto workers will get a better deal
Foreign Affairs Chrystia Freeland spoke to reporters at the Canadian Embassy in Washington on Friday 1:38
American negotiators have a strong incentive to find a landing zone with Canada, soon.
But does their boss really want a deal?
This is a risk for everyone negotiating with the United States right now, Hillman said.
"Is this actually a good faith exercise to get an agreement? Or is this all about [wanting] to put a tariff wall around the United States?" she said, using tariffs to reward friends and punish enemies.
"That's a highly cynical view, but to some degree worrying, that we're starting to go down."
Hillman's message to Canada: "Stay in there and keep negotiating. Don't give in to the bullying."
'You can't defend a bad deal'
Negotiating drama near the end is normal, said Adam Taylor, a former advisor to Conservative trade minister Ed Fast who is now a consultant in Ottawa.
Hitting pause when things reach a politically-sensitive stage isn't out of the ordinary. Tough talk about not compromising is par for the course.
"Was Trump actually saying that he has no room for compromise and there's going to be no give from the U.S. side?" Taylor said. "If so, that obviously is a problem, because Canada's not just going to roll over. ... That's not a negotiation, that's a capitulation."
Taylor sees some threats as empty, capable of de-escalation. Take the sunset clause issue — the U.S. threatened to insert a five-year automatic end to NAFTA, but in talks with Mexico last month agreed to compromise with a 16-year term with a 6-year review process.
"Both sides can't afford it to fail," he said.
"Trump's reputation as a dealmaker is on the line, ahead of crucial mid-term [elections in the U.S.]," he said.
He will want to be able to brag about the auto concessions he won from Mexico to the Republican base, and he needs Canada for that deal to work.
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Trudeau on Trump's harsh words on NAFTA talks
Prime Minister Justin Trudeau spoke to reporters in Oshawa on Friday 2:52
Talks restart Wednesday
Trump's comments "probably poisoned the well," he said, making it tough for Canada to make meaningful offers Friday. They needed to send a message, and in that respect taking a break for a few days is wise.
Where does that leave negotiations?
Trump's comments are a "momentum killer," he said. "The challenge next week will be to find a way to get momentum building again."
Chip Roh, a retired American lawyer and trade official, laughs at the idea that not reaching an agreement by Friday is a problem.
"The truth is, [Trump] can't do this without Canada," he said. "He doesn't know this, but enough people around him do."
Trump's a dangerous guy, Roh says, because although he makes stupid threats that are easy to dismiss, "every once in a while he delivers on them," as he did earlier in the summer when he laid on his steel and aluminum tariffs.
Other issues are going to come up before this is over, he reckons, and he cannot rule out that even if negotiators succeed, a new NAFTA may not make it to signature for other reasons.
Under the circumstances, hitting pause was very sensible. "It was all done pretty politely." he said.
Trudeau, Freeland say Canada won't cave on NAFTA as Trump says he won't make any compromises
Report says U.S. president insisted he won't compromise with Canada in off-the-record remarks
NAFTA talks have not soured despite a report that Donald Trump told a news outlet the U.S. will make no compromises in any agreement with Canada, sources told CBC News.
Canada raised Trump's comments during negotiations between Foreign Affairs Minister Chrystia Freeland and her counterpart, U.S. Trade Representative Robert Lighthizer, that are now in the final phase in Washington.
The Toronto Star reported Friday on comments Trump made, apparently off the record, in an interview with Bloomberg News suggesting the U.S. is in complete control of the negotiations and unwilling to make concessions. The U.S. president reportedly said his position was "going to be so insulting they're [Canada] not going to be able to make a deal." CBC has not independently verified the comments.
Asked about the report, Freeland insisted Canada won't cave to any demand, and that the government will defend the national interest in any NAFTA deal.
"We're looking for a good deal, not just any deal. And we will only agree to a deal that is a good deal for Canada. We're not there yet," Freeland said Friday from Washington.
In the remarks published by the Star, Trump said any possible NAFTA deal would be "totally on our terms."
"Off the record, Canada's working their ass off. And every time we have a problem with a point, I just put up a picture of a Chevrolet Impala," he reportedly said.
The Impala is assembled at the General Motors plant in Oshawa, Ont.
Holding an event in that city today, Prime Minister Justin Trudeau repeated Freeland's position when asked about Trump's remarks.
"We're going to remain constructive, positive, serious and creative about what we do around the negotiating table, in what we do in relation with the United States," he said. "But we are also going to be unequivocal about always standing up for Canadians' rights and Canadians' interests."
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Trudeau on Trump's harsh words on NAFTA talks
Prime Minister Justin Trudeau spoke to reporters in Oshawa on Friday 2:52
Sources
tell CBC News that Chapter 19 of NAFTA, which contains a dispute
resolution process that Canada is determined to keep and the U.S. wants
to scrap, is the most challenging area in the talks, which are counting
down under Trump's self-imposed deadline of today.
Trump announced Monday that he and outgoing Mexican President Enrique Pena Nieto agreed on a new trade deal that he said could replace NAFTA.
Trump announced Monday that he and outgoing Mexican President Enrique Pena Nieto agreed on a new trade deal that he said could replace NAFTA.
With files from Katie Simpson
What to watch for if the NAFTA talks conclude
Friday may not be Canada's only chance to make a deal, but officials trying
More than a year of negotiations might
reach a breakthrough Friday, if Canada, the United States and Mexico
agree on a rewrite of the North American Free Trade Agreement.
The talks, which kicked into high gear on Monday — when U.S. President Donald Trump said he'd struck a new, preliminary deal with Mexico — had reached a "very intense rhythm" by the end of the week, according to Foreign Affairs Minister Chrystia Freeland.
"We've all had a night to reflect," Freeland said on her way in Friday morning, adding she was looking forward to hearing what the Americans had to say.
Here's what to watch for if a new, trilateral agreement is reached by Friday's deadline:
The critical objective for all three sides has been a new chapter on the automotive sector, which represents about a quarter of NAFTA trade. Based on Monday's announcement, Canada's likely signing off on new rules for determining what vehicles and parts are eligible to avoid tariffs.
A new agreement could ease uncertainty in North American supply chains, and dodge Trump's threat of car tariffs as high as 25 per cent — at least for those vehicles that comply. But analysts suggest that, even without punishing tariffs, cars will be more expensive in North America and its industry will be less competitive globally.
At least two of NAFTA's dispute settlement chapters are on the table.
Chapter 11, which allows companies harmed by arbitrary government actions to sue, was watered down in the agreement with Mexico. Canada might approve, or lobby to go further. Ottawa agreed to suspend similar investor-state dispute settlement provisions and pursue a permanent court-based approach in its trade deal with the European Union.
Chapter 19, which allows companies who feel their imports have been unfairly hit with anti-dumping and countervailing duties to request NAFTA panel arbitration, is something the U.S. wants to scrap. Canada has been fighting to keep it.
Debate over NAFTA's dispute mechanisms comes as all three countries consider sweeping reforms to the World Trade Organization. The WTO could mediate disputes if efforts to strengthen it succeed, but Trump mused about pulling out of the WTO entirely again this week.
As Jean Charest said, Canada is trying to find a way to allow Trump to say "I won" while still being able to say "[we]have not lost."
Trump has made it plain that American farmers must be able to export more to Canada.
The U.S. needs to export milk to deal with its chronic oversupply problem — one that Canada avoids with its strict production quotas. The dairy sector was said to be one of the last unresolved items as NAFTA talks continued into Thursday night.
The egg and poultry sectors also benefit from Canada's supply management system. It's unclear whether they're on the table again too.
Parts of the draft intellectual property agreement with Mexico — longer exclusivity periods for costly biologic drugs, or an extension of copyright terms to 75 years — could also be tough for Canada.
Plus, as any trade watcher will tell you: Prepare for the fine print.
Foreign
Affairs Minister Chrystia Freeland was in and out of meetings with U.S.
Trade Representative Robert Lighthizer all day on Thursday. A media
stakeout continued on the sidewalk outside. (Jacquelyn Martin/Associated Press)
Some of Canada's objectives seem like long shots, particularly if talks stick to a "NAFTA-light" scenario, focusing only on priority chapters, for speed.
Canada might have wanted to open up government procurement, but given Trump's fondness for "Buy America," that feels like a tall order.
Some industries wanted to revise labour mobility provisions, updating a list of professions to include jobs that didn't exist in 1993.
But on Monday, asked if the number of NAFTA Professional (TN) visas would change, one U.S. official said bluntly: "No."
The Liberal government promotes its "progressive" trade agenda, aimed at keeping key voters onside. While more labour and environmental protections are expected, it's unclear whether the tight negotiating timelines allow a gender chapter, as Canada's added to other agreements, or an Indigenous chapter.
The U.S. wanted a five-year sunset clause on the entire, renegotiated agreement, but its deal with Mexico backed that off to a 16-year term, renewable following a six-year review.
You'll never hear American officials say it, because Trump thinks Barack Obama's trade agreement with 11 other Pacific Rim countries was a horrible deal.
But when the preliminary deal with Mexico was announced, it included things the U.S. gave up when Trump pulled out of the Trans-Pacific Partnership, like tougher intellectual property clauses.
(Remember the fight over "notice and takedown" requirements for online copyright violations? It's back.)
Part of why Canada wanted to join the TPP negotiations, alongside the U.S. and Mexico, was that it was a NAFTA do-over: a way to update chapters written in the early 1990s.
When the U.S. gave up on the TPP, it needed a do-over: updating NAFTA.
"There literally is not an area where we didn't 'plus up' what we did before," said one U.S. official, who was asked what was different. If all three countries reach a new NAFTA, pull out the TPP text and compare.
Officials said an agreement will be notified to the U.S. Congress on Friday: either a deal between the U.S. and Mexico, which Canada could join, perhaps within the 30 days before a final text is due, or a new trilateral deal. Meeting this deadline means the outgoing Mexican administration can sign it before its Dec.1 handover.
A lot could still go sideways. A new U.S. Congress will be elected in November, and those lawmakers will vote yea or nay on the Trump administration's work. Critics already predict a vigorous debate about whether this is really a better deal.
The incoming Mexican administration sat in on the final talks, but if Mexican opposition ramps up, it's unclear how the new president, Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador, will respond.
Lighthizer
walked Mexico's secretary of the economy Idelfonso Guajardo over to the
White House to announce their preliminary agreement on Monday. (Luis Alonso Lugo/Associated Press)
Canada's
federal election is a year out. But a large loss for the dairy
industry could be expensive for Finance Minister
Bill Morneau's pre-election budget: the Harper government's concessions
in TPP came with a compensation pledge of over $4 billion.
Provincial elections are also on in New Brunswick and Quebec, where a big dairy concession would be big news.
Canada and Mexico will want the U.S. to de-escalate their steel and aluminum tariff fight, and provide assurances car tariffs are off the table. Watch to see if Canada ramps up its emergency safeguard measures in return, to guarantee Trump that cheap foreign steel isn't entering North America.
The talks, which kicked into high gear on Monday — when U.S. President Donald Trump said he'd struck a new, preliminary deal with Mexico — had reached a "very intense rhythm" by the end of the week, according to Foreign Affairs Minister Chrystia Freeland.
"We've all had a night to reflect," Freeland said on her way in Friday morning, adding she was looking forward to hearing what the Americans had to say.
The cornerstones
The critical objective for all three sides has been a new chapter on the automotive sector, which represents about a quarter of NAFTA trade. Based on Monday's announcement, Canada's likely signing off on new rules for determining what vehicles and parts are eligible to avoid tariffs.
A new agreement could ease uncertainty in North American supply chains, and dodge Trump's threat of car tariffs as high as 25 per cent — at least for those vehicles that comply. But analysts suggest that, even without punishing tariffs, cars will be more expensive in North America and its industry will be less competitive globally.
Chapter 11, which allows companies harmed by arbitrary government actions to sue, was watered down in the agreement with Mexico. Canada might approve, or lobby to go further. Ottawa agreed to suspend similar investor-state dispute settlement provisions and pursue a permanent court-based approach in its trade deal with the European Union.
Chapter 19, which allows companies who feel their imports have been unfairly hit with anti-dumping and countervailing duties to request NAFTA panel arbitration, is something the U.S. wants to scrap. Canada has been fighting to keep it.
Debate over NAFTA's dispute mechanisms comes as all three countries consider sweeping reforms to the World Trade Organization. The WTO could mediate disputes if efforts to strengthen it succeed, but Trump mused about pulling out of the WTO entirely again this week.
Concessions to brace for
As Jean Charest said, Canada is trying to find a way to allow Trump to say "I won" while still being able to say "[we]have not lost."
Trump has made it plain that American farmers must be able to export more to Canada.
The U.S. needs to export milk to deal with its chronic oversupply problem — one that Canada avoids with its strict production quotas. The dairy sector was said to be one of the last unresolved items as NAFTA talks continued into Thursday night.
Parts of the draft intellectual property agreement with Mexico — longer exclusivity periods for costly biologic drugs, or an extension of copyright terms to 75 years — could also be tough for Canada.
Plus, as any trade watcher will tell you: Prepare for the fine print.
What might be missing
Some of Canada's objectives seem like long shots, particularly if talks stick to a "NAFTA-light" scenario, focusing only on priority chapters, for speed.
Canada might have wanted to open up government procurement, but given Trump's fondness for "Buy America," that feels like a tall order.
Some industries wanted to revise labour mobility provisions, updating a list of professions to include jobs that didn't exist in 1993.
The Liberal government promotes its "progressive" trade agenda, aimed at keeping key voters onside. While more labour and environmental protections are expected, it's unclear whether the tight negotiating timelines allow a gender chapter, as Canada's added to other agreements, or an Indigenous chapter.
The U.S. wanted a five-year sunset clause on the entire, renegotiated agreement, but its deal with Mexico backed that off to a 16-year term, renewable following a six-year review.
NAFTA is the new TPP
You'll never hear American officials say it, because Trump thinks Barack Obama's trade agreement with 11 other Pacific Rim countries was a horrible deal.
But when the preliminary deal with Mexico was announced, it included things the U.S. gave up when Trump pulled out of the Trans-Pacific Partnership, like tougher intellectual property clauses.
(Remember the fight over "notice and takedown" requirements for online copyright violations? It's back.)
Part of why Canada wanted to join the TPP negotiations, alongside the U.S. and Mexico, was that it was a NAFTA do-over: a way to update chapters written in the early 1990s.
When the U.S. gave up on the TPP, it needed a do-over: updating NAFTA.
"There literally is not an area where we didn't 'plus up' what we did before," said one U.S. official, who was asked what was different. If all three countries reach a new NAFTA, pull out the TPP text and compare.
What happens next?
Officials said an agreement will be notified to the U.S. Congress on Friday: either a deal between the U.S. and Mexico, which Canada could join, perhaps within the 30 days before a final text is due, or a new trilateral deal. Meeting this deadline means the outgoing Mexican administration can sign it before its Dec.1 handover.
A lot could still go sideways. A new U.S. Congress will be elected in November, and those lawmakers will vote yea or nay on the Trump administration's work. Critics already predict a vigorous debate about whether this is really a better deal.
The incoming Mexican administration sat in on the final talks, but if Mexican opposition ramps up, it's unclear how the new president, Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador, will respond.
Provincial elections are also on in New Brunswick and Quebec, where a big dairy concession would be big news.
Why NAFTA's Chapter 19 may not be the right hill to die on
Canadian negotiators reluctant to give up trade remedy — even if it no longer works
As Canadian trade negotiators pick
through the positions on the NAFTA table, one of the trickiest is a
dispute resolution system the U.S. wants to scrap.
Chapter 19 allows companies that feel their products have been unfairly hit with anti-dumping or countervailing duties to request arbitration. If a panel with representatives from both countries agrees, it can require the return of those duties.
Negotiators now face a choice of whether they should fight to keep it or use it as a bargaining chip to get something else. It's a system that has benefited Canada in the past, but it hasn't always worked.
In the early 2000s, lumber exporters took their case to a NAFTA panel, and won. But the U.S. didn't want to comply, and Canada eventually negotiated a settlement that didn't refund all the industry's money. When that brokered peace expired, the U.S. industry demanded another investigation and the country's Commerce Department levied additional duties, reigniting the dispute.
"I think you could argue it hasn't really solved the problem they thought they had," said Simon Lester, a trade policy researcher at Washington's Cato Institute think-tank that promotes free-market principles. "If I were Canada, I would concede on this one and fight on other things."
As
NAFTA negotiations come down to the crunch in Washington this
week, U.S. Trade Representative Robert Lighthizer wants to
eliminate Chapter 19. The Americans have never been fans of the way
the panels work.
So Canada has a tough decision to make: does it mount a vigorous defence of this imperfect tool? Does it try to convince the U.S. to replace it with something that might work better? Or does it give in, holding its fire for another front?
Heading into the talks, Canada's stated preference has been the first option.
The preliminary agreement in principle announced with Mexico Monday included some changes to Chapter 11, the investor-state dispute settlement system that allows companies to sue governments when changes in laws and regulations hurt their business.
But it's unclear where things stand on Chapter 19.
Mexico uses it just as much as Canada to push back against unfair American duties.
Lester's no fan of the U.S. Commerce Department's past behaviour in anti-dumping and countervailing cases. But he'd like to see a different approach.
"Nobody else uses this anywhere," he said. "It's not in any other trade agreement."
Canadian
Foreign Minister Chrystia Freeland and her negotiating team met with
their American counterparts at the U.S. Trade Representative's office in
Washington, D.C., Wednesday. (Jacquelyn Martin/Associated Press)
The
European Union decided that member states wouldn't levy anti-dumping
duties on one another in their common market. But Americans won't give
up their ability to protect politically powerful industries like lumber
and steel by punishing Canadian exporters with duties.
"It's dysfunctional," Lester said. "The big trade remedy users are running the show."
Sometimes false dumping claims are overruled before they even get as far as a NAFTA panel, as happened Wednesday in a newsprint case.
But when they proceed and duties ensue, what's a poor lumber exporter to do?
Lester sees no reason Canada and Mexico can't use the U.S. Court of International Trade, which consists of professional judges that foreign companies should be able to trust to decide cases on their merits.
"When
I talk to trade lawyers today… and I say 'Do you see much difference
between Chapter 19 and the Court of International Trade?' And they say
no," he said.
And yet, Canadian politicians, stakeholder groups and former negotiators line up to defend the need for these five-person NAFTA panels.
"It achieved some mythical status because of the way the Canadians demanded it," Lester said.
The mechanism was developed for Canada's first trade deal with the U.S. negotiated in the 1980s.
One of its architects, former Canadian negotiator Gordon Ritchie, recalls holding secret meetings with James Baker, the U.S. secretary of state at the time.
Prime Minister Brian Mulroney insisted on a fix for Canada's ongoing dumping duties headache and even flew Ritchie back to Ottawa at one point to brief cabinet on a decision to walk out of negotiations. Mulroney refused to take a call from President Ronald Reagan until the Americans budged.
"OK, you can have your damn dispute settlement proposal," Ritchie recounts Baker saying.
Gordon
Ritchie, left, helped negotiate Canada's first free trade deal with the
United States in 1987, along with fellow negotiator Simon Reisman. (Ron Poling/Canadian Press)
Early
on, it "worked a treat" on almost every kind of case, Ritchie said.
Lumber was an exception, but "even on lumber it gave us more bargaining
leverage than we would otherwise have had."
But things have changed.
Over time, a tool like this "loses its sharp edge," he said, and the U.S. Commerce Department "gets better and better at appearing to comply" without actually stopping its protectionist behaviour.
This may have been inevitable — in fact, Ritchie thought Chapter 19 would reach its best before date well before now.
The World Trade Organization now provides another way to appeal unfair duties that wasn't in place back then.
But a successful WTO appeal can't remand duties the way Chapter 19 does. What's more, the U.S. keeps blocking the appointment of any new judges to the WTO's appellate body, putting this system in jeopardy.
Canada can't let Chapter 19 go without a replacement, Ritchie thinks.
"There has to be some guarantee in that agreement that the U.S. will not cheat," he said.
The "flagrant abuse" of national security provisions only underscores why NAFTA must insist on fair play between partners, in Ritchie's mind.
Few understand American tactics better than Susan Yurkovich, president and CEO of B.C.'s Council of Forest Industries.
"A firm and well-articulated system is critically important for any trade deal you make," she said. Her industry is still right in the thick of using Chapter 19 in the latest softwood lumber fight with the Americans.
"You have to have a mechanism to resolve that."
U.S.
Trade Representative Robert Lighthizer, seen here walking to his
meeting with Canadian trade representatives Wednesday, is a 'vicious son
of a bitch' when it comes to negotiating, Ritchie says. (Andrew Harnik/Associated Press)
Relying on the U.S. courts system, as Lester suggests, doesn't appeal to Yurkovich.
"Where do we end up in that world?" she said.
NAFTA panels are balanced with adjudicators from both countries, giving an industry like hers more confidence of a fair hearing.
The adjudication is also relatively fast, compared with taking a case to the WTO.
Chapter 19 would be missed by those who need it. But would trading it off help Canada avoid some other potentially expensive concessions? A dairy market concession, for instance, could cost taxpayers and Canada's rural economy billions.
It's not a straightforward call.
When it comes to negotiating, "Robert Lighthizer is a vicious son of a bitch," Ritchie said. "This may not be the hill that Mr. Trudeau wants to die on."
As an alternative, the three NAFTA partners could commit to dispute settlement through WTO reform. The U.S. already agreed to that with the EU.
"If you're in that sweatbox in Washington ... that may be a way out, politically," Ritchie said.
Chapter 19 allows companies that feel their products have been unfairly hit with anti-dumping or countervailing duties to request arbitration. If a panel with representatives from both countries agrees, it can require the return of those duties.
Negotiators now face a choice of whether they should fight to keep it or use it as a bargaining chip to get something else. It's a system that has benefited Canada in the past, but it hasn't always worked.
If I were Canada, I would concede on this one and fight on other things.- Simon Lester, Cato InstituteTake Canada's infamous battle with the U.S. over softwood lumber.
In the early 2000s, lumber exporters took their case to a NAFTA panel, and won. But the U.S. didn't want to comply, and Canada eventually negotiated a settlement that didn't refund all the industry's money. When that brokered peace expired, the U.S. industry demanded another investigation and the country's Commerce Department levied additional duties, reigniting the dispute.
"I think you could argue it hasn't really solved the problem they thought they had," said Simon Lester, a trade policy researcher at Washington's Cato Institute think-tank that promotes free-market principles. "If I were Canada, I would concede on this one and fight on other things."
So Canada has a tough decision to make: does it mount a vigorous defence of this imperfect tool? Does it try to convince the U.S. to replace it with something that might work better? Or does it give in, holding its fire for another front?
Heading into the talks, Canada's stated preference has been the first option.
'Nobody else uses this'
The preliminary agreement in principle announced with Mexico Monday included some changes to Chapter 11, the investor-state dispute settlement system that allows companies to sue governments when changes in laws and regulations hurt their business.
But it's unclear where things stand on Chapter 19.
Mexico uses it just as much as Canada to push back against unfair American duties.
Lester's no fan of the U.S. Commerce Department's past behaviour in anti-dumping and countervailing cases. But he'd like to see a different approach.
"Nobody else uses this anywhere," he said. "It's not in any other trade agreement."
"It's dysfunctional," Lester said. "The big trade remedy users are running the show."
Sometimes false dumping claims are overruled before they even get as far as a NAFTA panel, as happened Wednesday in a newsprint case.
But when they proceed and duties ensue, what's a poor lumber exporter to do?
Lester sees no reason Canada and Mexico can't use the U.S. Court of International Trade, which consists of professional judges that foreign companies should be able to trust to decide cases on their merits.
And yet, Canadian politicians, stakeholder groups and former negotiators line up to defend the need for these five-person NAFTA panels.
"It achieved some mythical status because of the way the Canadians demanded it," Lester said.
'You can have your damn dispute settlement'
The mechanism was developed for Canada's first trade deal with the U.S. negotiated in the 1980s.
One of its architects, former Canadian negotiator Gordon Ritchie, recalls holding secret meetings with James Baker, the U.S. secretary of state at the time.
Prime Minister Brian Mulroney insisted on a fix for Canada's ongoing dumping duties headache and even flew Ritchie back to Ottawa at one point to brief cabinet on a decision to walk out of negotiations. Mulroney refused to take a call from President Ronald Reagan until the Americans budged.
"OK, you can have your damn dispute settlement proposal," Ritchie recounts Baker saying.
But things have changed.
Over time, a tool like this "loses its sharp edge," he said, and the U.S. Commerce Department "gets better and better at appearing to comply" without actually stopping its protectionist behaviour.
This may have been inevitable — in fact, Ritchie thought Chapter 19 would reach its best before date well before now.
'Flagrant abuse'
The World Trade Organization now provides another way to appeal unfair duties that wasn't in place back then.
But a successful WTO appeal can't remand duties the way Chapter 19 does. What's more, the U.S. keeps blocking the appointment of any new judges to the WTO's appellate body, putting this system in jeopardy.
Canada can't let Chapter 19 go without a replacement, Ritchie thinks.
The "flagrant abuse" of national security provisions only underscores why NAFTA must insist on fair play between partners, in Ritchie's mind.
Few understand American tactics better than Susan Yurkovich, president and CEO of B.C.'s Council of Forest Industries.
"A firm and well-articulated system is critically important for any trade deal you make," she said. Her industry is still right in the thick of using Chapter 19 in the latest softwood lumber fight with the Americans.
"You have to have a mechanism to resolve that."
"Where do we end up in that world?" she said.
NAFTA panels are balanced with adjudicators from both countries, giving an industry like hers more confidence of a fair hearing.
The adjudication is also relatively fast, compared with taking a case to the WTO.
'Vicious son of a bitch'
Chapter 19 would be missed by those who need it. But would trading it off help Canada avoid some other potentially expensive concessions? A dairy market concession, for instance, could cost taxpayers and Canada's rural economy billions.
It's not a straightforward call.
When it comes to negotiating, "Robert Lighthizer is a vicious son of a bitch," Ritchie said. "This may not be the hill that Mr. Trudeau wants to die on."
As an alternative, the three NAFTA partners could commit to dispute settlement through WTO reform. The U.S. already agreed to that with the EU.
"If you're in that sweatbox in Washington ... that may be a way out, politically," Ritchie said.
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Freeland in 'extremely intense' NAFTA negotiations as Trump officials issue threats
Canadian Foreign Affairs Minister Chrystia Freeland 'optimistic' about trade talks
Foreign Affairs Minister Chrystia Freeland has resumed high-level talks to renegotiate NAFTA as a U.S.-imposed Friday deadline looms.
Speaking to reporters as she left a break in talks with her counterpart, U.S. trade representative Robert Lighthizer, Freeland said officials from both countries are locked in "extremely intense" negotiations over some sensitive bilateral disputes.
Freeland declined to name what chapters of the trade deal remain outstanding but sources told CBC News that Canada is particularly concerned with how Chapter 19 of the original NAFTA — the dispute settlement mechanism that can be used to challenge anti-dumping and countervailing duty cases, like what has been used by Canada in past on the softwood lumber file — has been renegotiated by the U.S. and Mexico.
Chapter 19 has been a do-or-die issue for Canada as it is often relied on to fight punitive duties. Lighthizer, who is leading the U.S. negotiations, has long opposed this chapter as he believes it's in violation of U.S. sovereignty.
"We have a huge amount of work to do this week. Officials are really grinding through," Freeland said.
Asked if a deal could be reached by Friday, Freeland said she is encouraged by the progress made in talks between the U.S. and Mexico.
"Mexico has made some significant concessions which will be really good for Canadian workers. On that basis, we are optimistic about having some very good, productive conversations this week."
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Canada will now be pressured to sign a deal quickly — one largely concluded without our negotiators at the table for pressing trilateral-issues — or face damaging U.S. tariffs on Canadian-made vehicles that could cripple the domestic auto industry.
'The key thing is the Canadian economy can't survive very well without a deal with the U.S. They're too dependent on us.' - U.S. Commerce Secretary Wilbur RossFreeland downplayed concerns Wednesday that the bilateral deal announced by Trump and his Mexican counterpart came as a surprise to the Canadians.
"It's probably worth pointing out that we have been, both at the ministerial and officials levels, very closely engaged and working on all of these issues for more than a year. We've been in good contact throughout the summer," Freeland said.
"We are working extremely hard, extremely intensively, we remain optimistic about the progress we can make this year ... it is very, very intense work and I continue to be encouraged by the good conversations we're having and the progress we're making."
Mexican officials have said they are prepared to go it alone with the Americans if Canada and the U.S. cannot resolve some lingering irritants.
Technical issues with bilateral deal
The high-stakes negotiations come as some Republicans in Congress signal they might not accept a Mexico-only deal as the fast track negotiating authority — extended under the Trade Promotional Authority law — that Congress gave U.S. President Donald Trump and his administration was a for a trilateral deal inclusive of Canada.
While not one to be held back by precedent, Trump could face a showdown with legislators who say excluding Canada may not satisfy congressional procedures for approving trade agreements.
Under U.S. law, Congress retains the authority to review and decide whether any proposed trade agreement will be implemented.
Texas Republican Sen. John Cornyn told reporters Tuesday there would be "technical problems" with Congress voting on a bilateral U.S.-Mexico trade deal.
"My hope is that Canada comes on board rather quickly," Cornyn said. "I hope we can get this done, and I hope Canada's on board. Because that would eliminate some of the technical, procedural problems ... that might otherwise arise."
Pennslyvania Republican Sen. Pat Toomey, a known free trader, said Congress will retain the right to approve any trade deal despite some of assertive rhetoric coming from Trump's White House. "NAFTA was enacted with legislation. … Similarly, a change to NAFTA requires legislation."
Kansas Sen. Jerry Moran, another Republican, added it would be "really shortsighted" for the U.S. to have an agreement only with Mexico.
In face of this legislative reality, senior White House officials have blanketed cable airwaves in the last two days trying to tighten the screws on Canada to sign a deal in short order or face punitive tariffs.
"Well, this deal is pretty well put together with Mexico. So the president, as he's indicated, is fully prepared to go ahead with or without Canada," Wilbur Ross, the commerce secretary, said in an interview with Fox Business. "We hope that Canada will come in."
Ross said he was confident Canada would ultimately join the deal because its economy "can't survive very well" without the United States.
"The key thing is the Canadian economy can't survive very well without a deal with the U.S. They're too dependent on us and particularly too dependent on the automotive sector. Since we've already resolved the automotive issues with Mexico, those are now issues that are particularly adverse to Canada," Ross said.
Following Trump's lead, Treasury Secretary Steve Mnuchin suggested if talks fail on a trilateral deal the U.S. and Canada could turn to a separate bilateral agreement.
"The U.S. market and the Canadian markets are very intertwined," Mnuchin said in an interview with CNBC. "It's important for them to get this deal and it's important for us to get this deal."
Trade experts and economists have suggested creating a patchwork of bilateral deals could be problematic for the continental economy which has become highly integrated since NAFTA was first signed in the 1990s.
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These are the steps Trump would have to take to end NAFTA. It won't be easy
A lot has to happen before U.S. president can replace NAFTA with bilateral U.S.-Mexico pact
U.S. President Donald Trump plans to
formally initiate the process of transforming NAFTA into a bilateral
U.S.-Mexico trade agreement Friday, but faces some tough procedural and
political hurdles that may yet torpedo his plans.
The revised version of the North American Free Trade Agreement that Trump laid out for reporters in the Oval Office Monday would see Canada cut loose, along with the name NAFTA, which, Trump said, carries "bad connotations."
Trump suggested that Canada might be able to sign onto the deal or strike a separate bilateral agreement if, he said, the Canadians "would like to negotiate fairly."
But a lot still has to happen before the U.S. president can set about "terminating" the existing 24-year-old deal, as he has vowed to do.
CBC News talked to several trade experts who explained what would happen next.
Under NAFTA's withdrawal rules, Trump must give six months' notice to the leaders of Canada and Mexico, the other stakeholders in the current pact. That would put the exit date around March 2019.
"We don't have all the fine print yet," noted Gary Hufbauer, a former U.S. trade official and current fellow at Washington's Peterson Institute for International Economics.
"But my view is [Trump] can send the letter to the other heads of state, and I think it's very unlikely Canada will agree to all the terms that Mexico has agreed to."
Trump has already vowed to inform Congress of his intentions on Friday. Hufbauer doubts Canada will hammer out the terms of its inclusion in the U.S.-Mexico deal by the end of the week, however. The so-called 90-day letter to be presented to Congress would announce an agreement to revise NAFTA into a U.S.-Mexico bilateral agreement, which Canada would, in theory, be free to sign onto.
If the letter is sent in September, it could be signed as early as Dec. 1.
Mexican
President Enrique Pena Nieto, right, seen here with Canadian Prime
Minister Justin Trudeau last year, mentioned Canada's absence from the
deal on his call with Trump Monday. (Alfredo Estrella/AFP/Getty Images)
"There's no chance that Congress will ratify the agreement this calendar year," Hufbauer said.
Especially not if the Democrats meet polling expectations in November's U.S. midterms and flip control of the House, he said.
Chances are slim, he said, that Congress would ratify a new deal after the November midterms, given the complexity of what's involved in such a task.
"That takes us into 2019," he said. "And you have to ask yourself, who is going to be running the House in 2019?"
Within the 90-day consultation period, the full text of the new agreement must be published 60 days before it can be signed. That likely means the documents will be made public by around Sept. 30, said Dan Ujczo, a trade lawyer specializing in Canada-U.S. relations.
Legal scrutiny would likely ramp up at that time.
"Congress will want to ensure that Canada has every opportunity to come into this deal," Ujczo said. "So, I think there's going to be significant pressure by Congress on the White House to get Canada into this deal before the formal text gets published on Sept. 30."
By
October, Ujczo warned, the ability for Congress to hold the line on
keeping Canada in a trilateral agreement will start to diminish as the
midterm elections approach. Lawmakers enticed by "pet projects" in the
agreement in principle might stop holding out for Canada and take a
U.S.-Mexico deal to buttress against a protracted trade war with China,
he said.
If Trump's Republicans don't retain a majority in Congress, Hufbauer said, "chances of getting this U.S.-Mexico thing ratified without Canada signing on are going to be very small."
The biggest reason, in his mind, is purely political.
"Why in God's name would they approve a trade agreement negotiated by Trump? Whatever it is," he said. "Democrats in Congress haven't liked trade agreements for 25 years."
In a statement Monday, U.S. Senate finance committee chairman Orrin Hatch noted that "a final agreement should include Canada." Hatch had suggested in February that Congress could override Trump by passing a "veto-proof" bill to preserve NAFTA.
Don't count out Canada's allies south of the border, particularly in states like Ohio, New Jersey, Michigan and Pennsylvania.
"Congress would react very badly," said former U.S. trade representative Carla Anderson Hills.
"They're about to run for election. This will be horrific to think that we no longer have preferential access to our northern …neighbours."
U.S. Representative Tim Ryan of Ohio says he would like to see a revised NAFTA include Canada. ( Gary Cameron/Reuters)
As
much as Canada, the U.S. and Mexico share integrated supply chains and
practical reasons for wanting to preserve a trilateral agreement, the
very idea of kicking Canada to the curb in a renegotiated NAFTA also
just rubs some members of Congress the wrong way.
"Philosophically, we believe it's important for Canada to be part of the program," Democratic Ohio congressman Tim Ryan said an interview. "Details can be worked out that are mutually beneficial for both sides."
NAFTA's Chapter 19 dispute resolution process has been a sticking point for the U.S., which wants to eliminate it against Canada's objections, but despite that, Ryan said, Canada-U.S. relations are important for symbolic, economic and national-security reasons.
"It's still mind-boggling to many of us who saw that the president just kind of picked a fight with Justin Trudeau," Ryan said, referring to Trump's undermining of the Canadian prime minister at last June's G7 summit in Quebec.
"Many of us down here have a lot of respect for [Trudeau] and like him a lot. We thought that was kind of out of left field."
Trade lawyers have long debated whether the U.S. president can unilaterally kill a trade deal. Jennifer Hillman, a former general counsel at the office of the U.S. Trade Representative (USTR), was unequivocal.
"It's a no," she said. "The president doesn't have the authority to withdraw without Congress. It took an act of Congress to get into the NAFTA; it will take an act of Congress to get out of it."
Part of the legal debate over whether Trump can cancel NAFTA on his own comes down to some Constitutional crossover.
The Commerce Clause, or Article 1, Section 8 of the U.S. Constitution, grants Congress the power "to regulate commerce with foreign nations."
"So, if you see NAFTA as a commerce agreement, that means Congress gets a say," Hufbauer said.
But Article 2 refers to presidential executive powers, which have been interpreted by the U.S. Supreme Court as overseeing treaties that deal with foreign affairs.
In a litigation over NAFTA, Hufbauer explained, the Supreme Court would have to decide where the split falls.
Supply chains between Canada and the U.S. are highly integrated. (Wilson Ring/AP Photo)
"Does
this agreement principally come within the Article 2 powers of the
president, or the Article 1 powers of the Congress?" he said.
Hillman, the former U.S. Trade Representative, noted that a "phantom" or "zombie" NAFTA can continue to exist. That's because even if Trump technically succeeded in withdrawing from NAFTA, the original agreement is still filled with statutory text.
"All those statutory protections are still on our books, and it wouldn't be repealed unless Congress chooses to repeal them," she said.
This would leave a situation in which the U.S. is no longer part of the pact, but the regulations of NAFTA remain in place.
The revised version of the North American Free Trade Agreement that Trump laid out for reporters in the Oval Office Monday would see Canada cut loose, along with the name NAFTA, which, Trump said, carries "bad connotations."
Trump suggested that Canada might be able to sign onto the deal or strike a separate bilateral agreement if, he said, the Canadians "would like to negotiate fairly."
CBC News talked to several trade experts who explained what would happen next.
Notifying Canada and Mexico
Under NAFTA's withdrawal rules, Trump must give six months' notice to the leaders of Canada and Mexico, the other stakeholders in the current pact. That would put the exit date around March 2019.
"We don't have all the fine print yet," noted Gary Hufbauer, a former U.S. trade official and current fellow at Washington's Peterson Institute for International Economics.
"But my view is [Trump] can send the letter to the other heads of state, and I think it's very unlikely Canada will agree to all the terms that Mexico has agreed to."
Notifying Congress with a '90-day letter'
Trump has already vowed to inform Congress of his intentions on Friday. Hufbauer doubts Canada will hammer out the terms of its inclusion in the U.S.-Mexico deal by the end of the week, however. The so-called 90-day letter to be presented to Congress would announce an agreement to revise NAFTA into a U.S.-Mexico bilateral agreement, which Canada would, in theory, be free to sign onto.
If the letter is sent in September, it could be signed as early as Dec. 1.
Especially not if the Democrats meet polling expectations in November's U.S. midterms and flip control of the House, he said.
Chances are slim, he said, that Congress would ratify a new deal after the November midterms, given the complexity of what's involved in such a task.
"That takes us into 2019," he said. "And you have to ask yourself, who is going to be running the House in 2019?"
Release of the full text
Within the 90-day consultation period, the full text of the new agreement must be published 60 days before it can be signed. That likely means the documents will be made public by around Sept. 30, said Dan Ujczo, a trade lawyer specializing in Canada-U.S. relations.
Legal scrutiny would likely ramp up at that time.
"Congress will want to ensure that Canada has every opportunity to come into this deal," Ujczo said. "So, I think there's going to be significant pressure by Congress on the White House to get Canada into this deal before the formal text gets published on Sept. 30."
Congressional challenges
If Trump's Republicans don't retain a majority in Congress, Hufbauer said, "chances of getting this U.S.-Mexico thing ratified without Canada signing on are going to be very small."
The biggest reason, in his mind, is purely political.
"Why in God's name would they approve a trade agreement negotiated by Trump? Whatever it is," he said. "Democrats in Congress haven't liked trade agreements for 25 years."
In a statement Monday, U.S. Senate finance committee chairman Orrin Hatch noted that "a final agreement should include Canada." Hatch had suggested in February that Congress could override Trump by passing a "veto-proof" bill to preserve NAFTA.
Friendly neighbours
Don't count out Canada's allies south of the border, particularly in states like Ohio, New Jersey, Michigan and Pennsylvania.
"Congress would react very badly," said former U.S. trade representative Carla Anderson Hills.
"They're about to run for election. This will be horrific to think that we no longer have preferential access to our northern …neighbours."
"Philosophically, we believe it's important for Canada to be part of the program," Democratic Ohio congressman Tim Ryan said an interview. "Details can be worked out that are mutually beneficial for both sides."
NAFTA's Chapter 19 dispute resolution process has been a sticking point for the U.S., which wants to eliminate it against Canada's objections, but despite that, Ryan said, Canada-U.S. relations are important for symbolic, economic and national-security reasons.
"It's still mind-boggling to many of us who saw that the president just kind of picked a fight with Justin Trudeau," Ryan said, referring to Trump's undermining of the Canadian prime minister at last June's G7 summit in Quebec.
"Many of us down here have a lot of respect for [Trudeau] and like him a lot. We thought that was kind of out of left field."
Legal hurdles
Trade lawyers have long debated whether the U.S. president can unilaterally kill a trade deal. Jennifer Hillman, a former general counsel at the office of the U.S. Trade Representative (USTR), was unequivocal.
"It's a no," she said. "The president doesn't have the authority to withdraw without Congress. It took an act of Congress to get into the NAFTA; it will take an act of Congress to get out of it."
A Constitutional clash
Part of the legal debate over whether Trump can cancel NAFTA on his own comes down to some Constitutional crossover.
The Commerce Clause, or Article 1, Section 8 of the U.S. Constitution, grants Congress the power "to regulate commerce with foreign nations."
But Article 2 refers to presidential executive powers, which have been interpreted by the U.S. Supreme Court as overseeing treaties that deal with foreign affairs.
In a litigation over NAFTA, Hufbauer explained, the Supreme Court would have to decide where the split falls.
A 'Zombie NAFTA'?
Hillman, the former U.S. Trade Representative, noted that a "phantom" or "zombie" NAFTA can continue to exist. That's because even if Trump technically succeeded in withdrawing from NAFTA, the original agreement is still filled with statutory text.
"All those statutory protections are still on our books, and it wouldn't be repealed unless Congress chooses to repeal them," she said.
This would leave a situation in which the U.S. is no longer part of the pact, but the regulations of NAFTA remain in place.
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Markets react to trade talks: Investors are betting on a U.S.-Canada deal
The Canadian dollar is flying high on the prospect of a trade deal, but will it last?
When the U.S. and Mexico reached a bilateral trade agreement without Canada on Monday, it was the end of NAFTA as we know it.
But stock markets rallied on the news, with Canadian stocks hitting their highest point in more than a month. Today, the loonie is at its strongest against the U.S. dollar in more than two months.
Investors are betting on a deal materializing soon between Canada and the U.S., according to analysts, who say the Canadian market will follow its number one trading partner higher, despite the hurdles facing an agreement.
Brian Belski, chief investment strategist at BMO Capital Markets, does not think investors are getting ahead of themselves by betting on a deal between the neighbouring countries.
"Canada made the wrong bet — hoping that negotiations would occur after the mid-terms [U.S. elections] — and now, they are at a competitive disadvantage," said Belski. "They underestimated President Trump and his overall negotiation strategy."
He
thinks investors are also keeping in mind what happened in the Canadian
market in the second quarter of this year, when it rose more than six
percent despite the trade war fears, outperforming most other developed
markets.
"What consensus is missing is that companies with a majority of revenues outside of Canada have been outperforming most of 2018 — NAFTA is not the problem," Belski said.
"Remember, the S&P/TSX in local Canadian dollar terms, significantly outperformed the U.S in the second quarter — and most investors missed it."
As the majority Canadian stocks pared back gains on Tuesday, shares of the country's biggest auto suppliers Magna, Linamar and Martinrea continued higher, rising up to more than three percent, bucking the broader market trend.
Derek Holt, head of capital market economics at Scotiabank, said an apparent resolution of major U.S. demands on auto tariffs in its agreement with Mexico, addresses the most important sticking points in its negotiations with Canada.
"Canada should find it relatively simple to join the U.S.-Mexico consensus on automobiles," Holt said in a note.
"The main change — raising the North American regional value content for tariff-free trade in automobiles from 62.5 per cent to 75 per cent — would already be met by nine of 16 vehicle models currently produced in Canada."
Douglas Porter, chief economist at BMO Capital Markets, added that the U.S.-Mexico agreement on autos was potentially positive for Canada, considering Mexico had been "securing the lion's share of recent new investments in the North American auto industry."
However, not all analysts are convinced that investors are not getting ahead of themselves by pricing in a deal.
Bipan Rai, head of North American foreign exchange strategy at CIBC Capital Markets, said markets have already priced in a trilateral deal for valuing the Canadian dollar, but there is a significant chance the Trudeau government will decide that the U.S.-Mexico deal does not suit them.
"The market's obsession with what the end scenario looks like ignores the many permutations of how we'll get there," Rai said.
In Canadian dollar terms, the Toronto Stock Exchange outperformed U.S. markets in the second quarter of 2018. (Richard Drew/Associated Press)
"A
knee-jerk reaction [to a negative outcome] could take the loonie lower
by a cent most likely. Over time, we'd expect markets to take the
Canadian dollar-U.S. dollar cross back to around 0.75 cents at the very
least."
The Canadian dollar traded at an average of 0.7742 cents US on Tuesday, up from Monday's average of 0.7701 cents US. That's its highest level against the greenback since early June.
Sadiq Adatia, chief investment officer at Sun Life Global Investments, agrees there is still a lot of uncertainty in trade talks between Canada and the U.S.
"What is Canada willing to give up to get the deal done?," Adatia said. "Also, Canada could potential say that we will wait until the mid-term elections and hope that the makeup of congress is different which helps the current NAFTA deal."
But stock markets rallied on the news, with Canadian stocks hitting their highest point in more than a month. Today, the loonie is at its strongest against the U.S. dollar in more than two months.
Investors are betting on a deal materializing soon between Canada and the U.S., according to analysts, who say the Canadian market will follow its number one trading partner higher, despite the hurdles facing an agreement.
'NAFTA is not the problem'
Brian Belski, chief investment strategist at BMO Capital Markets, does not think investors are getting ahead of themselves by betting on a deal between the neighbouring countries.
"Canada made the wrong bet — hoping that negotiations would occur after the mid-terms [U.S. elections] — and now, they are at a competitive disadvantage," said Belski. "They underestimated President Trump and his overall negotiation strategy."
"What consensus is missing is that companies with a majority of revenues outside of Canada have been outperforming most of 2018 — NAFTA is not the problem," Belski said.
"Remember, the S&P/TSX in local Canadian dollar terms, significantly outperformed the U.S in the second quarter — and most investors missed it."
Focus on auto tariffs
As the majority Canadian stocks pared back gains on Tuesday, shares of the country's biggest auto suppliers Magna, Linamar and Martinrea continued higher, rising up to more than three percent, bucking the broader market trend.
Derek Holt, head of capital market economics at Scotiabank, said an apparent resolution of major U.S. demands on auto tariffs in its agreement with Mexico, addresses the most important sticking points in its negotiations with Canada.
"Canada should find it relatively simple to join the U.S.-Mexico consensus on automobiles," Holt said in a note.
"The main change — raising the North American regional value content for tariff-free trade in automobiles from 62.5 per cent to 75 per cent — would already be met by nine of 16 vehicle models currently produced in Canada."
Douglas Porter, chief economist at BMO Capital Markets, added that the U.S.-Mexico agreement on autos was potentially positive for Canada, considering Mexico had been "securing the lion's share of recent new investments in the North American auto industry."
Market's 'end scenario' obsession
However, not all analysts are convinced that investors are not getting ahead of themselves by pricing in a deal.
Bipan Rai, head of North American foreign exchange strategy at CIBC Capital Markets, said markets have already priced in a trilateral deal for valuing the Canadian dollar, but there is a significant chance the Trudeau government will decide that the U.S.-Mexico deal does not suit them.
"The market's obsession with what the end scenario looks like ignores the many permutations of how we'll get there," Rai said.
The Canadian dollar traded at an average of 0.7742 cents US on Tuesday, up from Monday's average of 0.7701 cents US. That's its highest level against the greenback since early June.
Sadiq Adatia, chief investment officer at Sun Life Global Investments, agrees there is still a lot of uncertainty in trade talks between Canada and the U.S.
"What is Canada willing to give up to get the deal done?," Adatia said. "Also, Canada could potential say that we will wait until the mid-term elections and hope that the makeup of congress is different which helps the current NAFTA deal."
Trudeau 'encouraged' by NAFTA progress as Canada faces pressure to sign or face auto tariffs
Canada's top concern is chapter 19 of NAFTA, the dispute settlement mechanism, sources say
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In his first comments since the U.S. and Mexico put pen to paper on a draft trade deal, Prime Minister Justin Trudeau said he is "encouraged" by the progress Canada's NAFTA partners have made on writing a renewed trade deal.
The optimism comes even as White House officials threaten to impose punitive tariffs on Canadian-made cars if Canada doesn't sign on to the new deal by Friday.
"We have been encouraged by the progress made by our NAFTA partners over the past weeks. This is an important step to moving forward on renegotiating and improving NAFTA," he said during a brief news conference in Longueuil, Que. Tuesday.
Trudeau said Canada's negotiation team is busy poring over the details of a draft bilateral agreement in principle announced by the U.S. and Mexico on Monday. Foreign Affairs Minister Chrystia Freeland has arrived in Washington to sit down with her American counterparts to try and hammer out a trilateral deal.
Freeland is expected to address the media at 5 p.m. ET from Washington. CBCNews.ca will carry her remarks live.
Canada's chief trade negotiator, Steve Verheul, and a team from the Prime Minister's Office, including Trudeau's principal secretary, Gerald Butts, took another early-morning flight from Ottawa to Washington D.C.
"The team in Washington is digging into the progress made and looking at what the next steps are. We will engage in a positive and constructive way as we always have been and look forward to ultimately signing a deal as long as its good for Canada and good for middle class Canadians," the prime minister said.
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Prime Minister Justin Trudeau spoke to reporters in Montreal on Tuesday 1:23
The trip by high-level Canadian officials comes as pressure mounts to sign a deal with the U.S., by far this country's largest and most important trading partner. Freeland cut short a swing through Europe to resume stalled negotiations.
While the U.S. and Mexico had been expected to work through existing bilateral issues between the two countries, they also negotiated some aspects of the deal that are considered trilateral — without Canada at the table.
U.S. and Mexico have signalled they'd like to see a deal by week's end to ensure an agreement can swiftly be sent to Congress for its mandatory 90-day review. The incoming Mexican administration will take office on Dec. 1, meaning a timeline is becoming increasingly constrained.
Canada will now be cajoled to sign a deal quickly — largely concluded without our negotiators at the table for pressing trilateral-issues — or face damaging U.S. tariffs on Canadian-made vehicles that could cripple the domestic auto industry.
Canadian sources, speaking on background to CBC News, said they need to see what exactly Mexico and the U.S. have agreed to in the preliminary, bilateral trade deal before they can "formulate an opinion" on Canada's negotiating position.
Positive 'momentum': sources
While aspects of the deal have been described to the Canadian team, these negotiators want to see all the text for themselves.
What the two countries agreed to on rules of origin, particularly around autos, has been described as "encouraging" to Canada, sources said.
That sentiment was shared publicly by Trudeau Tuesday. "There's been some very positive progress, particularly on autos, and we're happy to be engaging as we have been," he said.
Details from the Office of the U.S. Trade Representative (USTR) show the preliminary agreements include a wage provision that 40 to 45 per cent of auto content would be made by workers earning at least $16 US an hour, and increase in the auto content required from the NAFTA region to 75 per cent, up from the current 62.5 per cent.
Chapter 19 has been a do-or-die issue for Canada as it is often relied on to fight punitive duties. The USTR's Bob Lighthizer, who is leading the U.S. negotiations, has long opposed this chapter as he believes it's in violation of U.S. sovereignty.
Sources with direct knowledge of the situation, and who spoke to CBC News on background, said Canada won't accept a deal without a strong dispute resolution system.
The momentum is said to be "better than the momentum has been at any point in the negotiating process," a source said.
Trump threatens auto tariffs on Canada
Larry Kudlow, U.S. President Donald Trump's top economic adviser, praised the "pro-growth" deal Trump signed with his Mexican counterpart while warning the U.S. will only accept a "good deal with Canada" that includes some major concessions, including with respect to Canada's system of supply management for some farm sectors.
"That good deal by the way has to include, among other things, intellectual property rights but also it's got to include the dairy farm stuff," Kudlow said in an interview with Fox News Tuesday.
"There's a word that Canada has trouble with and it's M-I-L-K. Milk. Anything to do with milk and dairy — they have this government-run, centrally planned system and some tariffs run upwards of 300 per cent. They're going to have to fix that," he said.
Kudlow warned Trump has a large trade weapon in his arsenal if Canada balks at U.S. demands: massive tariffs on Canadian-made automobiles, which could make those vehicles
prohibitively expensive to the average American consumer thereby endangering our domestic industry.
"The president did say if he cannot satisfactorily negotiate with [Canada] he may have to go to a large 20 to 25 per cent tax on Canadian automobiles headed for the U.S. That's part of his negotiating strategy. I would take him seriously, but let's hope Canada comes on board. Let's take him seriously," the former TV personality turned White House official said.
Supply management
Trump has long called on Canada to dismantle the system of supply management, which allows specific commodity sectors — dairy, poultry and eggs — to limit the supply of their products to what Canadians are expected to consume in order to ensure predictable, stable prices.
That is then paired with the imposition of high tariffs on most foreign imports, a policy that makes these goods prohibitively expensive for Canadians, leaving domestic supply as virtually the only option for consumers.
The United States, in contrast, has largely maintained support for the farming sector through subsidies.
So Americans foot the bill for farm supports indirectly, through the taxes they pay, while Canadians pay for those supports directly, through higher prices for supply managed products.
Trudeau has vowed to protect Canada's existing farm policies.
With a file from The Canadian Press
Preliminary U.S.-Mexico trade deal leaves trail of questions unanswered for Canada
Canadian Foreign Affairs Minister Freeland heads to Washington today in effort to restart negotiations
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U.S.
President Donald Trump attends a meeting in the Cabinet Room at the
White House on Monday. Trump was quick to proclaim an apparent
breakthrough in trade talks with Mexico as a triumph, but many questions
remain over the future of NAFTA. (Leah Millis/Reuters)
U.S. President Donald Trump's declaration of victory Monday in
reaching a preliminary deal with Mexico to replace the North American
Free Trade Agreement raised at least as many questions as it answered.
Can Canada, the third member country in NAFTA and America's No. 2 trading partner, be coaxed or coerced into a new pact?
If not, is it even legal — or politically feasible — for Trump to reach a replacement trade deal with Mexico alone?
"There are still a lot of questions left to be answered," said Peter MacKay, former minister of justice, defence and foreign affairs, who is now a partner at the law firm Baker McKenzie. "There is still a great deal of uncertainty — trepidation, nervousness, a feeling that we are on the outside looking in."
Trump was quick to proclaim the agreement a triumph, pointing to Monday's surge in the stock market, which was fuelled in part by the apparent breakthrough with Mexico.
"We just signed a trade agreement with Mexico, and it's a terrific agreement for everybody," the president declared. "It's an agreement that a lot of people said couldn't be done."
Freeland bound for Washington
Trump suggested that he might leave Canada out of a new agreement. He said he wanted to call the revamped trade pact "the United States-Mexico Trade Agreement" because, in his view, NAFTA has earned a reputation for being harmful to American workers.
But first, he said, he would give Canada a chance to get back in — "if they'd like to negotiate fairly." To intensify the pressure on Ottawa to agree to his terms, the president threatened to impose new taxes on Canadian auto imports.
Trump: We'll give Canada chance to join U.S.-Mexico trade deal
With outgoing Mexican
President Enrique Pena Nieto on speakerphone, U.S. President Donald
Trump announces U.S.-Mexico deal and says he'll invite Canada to
negotiate 'fairly' to join it. 1:17
Canada's NAFTA negotiator,
Foreign Minister Chrystia Freeland, is cutting short a trip to Europe
to fly to Washington on Tuesday to try to restart talks."We will only sign a new NAFTA that is good for Canada and good for the middle class," said Adam Austen, a spokesperson for Freeland, saying "Canada's signature is required."
Talking to reporters, the top White House economic adviser, Larry Kudlow, urged Canada to "come to the table."
"Let's make a great deal like we just made with Mexico," Kudlow said. "If not, the U.S.A. may have to take action."
Trilateral agreement 'imperative'
Critics denounced the prospect of cutting Canada out a North American trade pact, in part because of the risks it could pose for companies involved in international trade. Many manufacturers have built vital supply systems that depend on freely crossing all three NAFTA borders.
Noting the "massive amount of movement of goods between the three countries and the integration of operations," Jay Timmons, president of that U.S. National Association of Manufacturers, said "it is imperative that a trilateral agreement be inked."
Trump has frequently condemned the 24-year-old NAFTA trade pact as a job-killing "disaster" for American workers. NAFTA reduced most trade barriers between the three countries. The president and other critics say the pact encouraged U.S. manufacturers to move south of the border to exploit low-wage Mexican labour.
The U.S. Congress wouldn't vote on it until next year — after November midterm elections that could end Republican control of the House of Representatives. But initially, it looks like at least a tentative public relations victory for Trump, the week after his former campaign manager was convicted on financial crimes and his former personal attorney implicated him in hush money payments to two women who allege they had affairs with Trump.
Before the administration began negotiating a new NAFTA a year ago, it had notified Congress that it was beginning talks with Canada and Mexico. So Monday's announcement raises the question: Is the administration authorized to reach a deal with only one of those countries?
Republicans cautious
A senior administration official, who briefed reporters on condition of anonymity, said yes: The administration can tell Congress it had reached a deal with Mexico — and that Canada is welcome to join.
But other analysts said the answer wasn't clear: "It's a question that has never been tested," said Lori Wallach, director of the left-leaning Public Citizen's Global Trade Watch.
Mexico will have a difficult time selling 'Trump's deal' back home if Canada does not think it is a good deal.- Daniel Ujczo, trade lawyerEven a key Trump ally, Rep. Kevin Brady, the Texas Republican who chairs the House ways and means committee, expressed caution about Monday's apparent breakthrough. Brady said he looked forward "to carefully analyzing the details and consulting in the weeks ahead to determine whether the new proposal meets the trade priorities set out by Congress."
And the No. 2 Senate Republican, John Cornyn of Texas, while hailing Monday's news as a "positive step," said Canada needs to be party to a final deal.
"A trilateral agreement is the best path forward," Cornyn said, adding that millions of jobs were at stake.
There are political reasons to keep Canada inside the regional bloc.
"Mexico will have a difficult time selling 'Trump's deal' back home if Canada does not think it is a good deal," said Daniel Ujczo, a trade lawyer with Dickinson Wright PLLC. "It will appear that Mexico caved."
Delay over 'sunset clause'
Indeed, Mexico has said it wants Canada included in any new deal to replace NAFTA.
"We are very interested in this being an agreement of three countries," said president-elect Andres Manuel Lopez Observador. At the same time, Foreign Minister Luis Videgaray told reporters that "Mexico will have a free trade agreement regardless of the outcome" of U.S.-Canada negotiations.
The Office of the U.S. Trade Representative said Mexico had agreed to ensure that 75 per cent of automotive content be produced within the trade bloc (up from a current 62.5 per cent) to receive duty-free benefits, and that 40 per cent to 45 per cent be made by workers earning at least $16 an hour. Those changes are meant to encourage more auto production in the United States.
For Canada, a bad NAFTA deal is better than no deal at all
There are no poison pills left — only bitter ones for Canada to swallow
On Monday, U.S. President Donald Trump announced a preliminary trade deal with Mexico, signalling
he may withdraw the U.S. from NAFTA unless Canada rejoins the talks on
his terms. Trade lawyers will argue about the constitutionality of the
president's threats, but Canada has no choice but to take them
seriously.
Once again at the table, the U.S. will essentially offer us a take-it-or-leave-it deal based on the Mexico-U.S. negotiations. It will certainly be a worse deal for Canada than the NAFTA we have known for more than two decades, and Trump will force Prime Minister Justin Trudeau to either make serious concessions, or else be pushed aside.
To accept the Canadian government's mantra that "no deal is better than a bad deal" is to misread the situation. First, that view arrogantly overstates our economic importance to the Americans. Despite having a balanced trading relationship, 75 per cent of Canada's exports are bound for the U.S., while only 15 per cent of U.S. exports are destined for Canada. Our research on the post-Sept. 11 period demonstrates that American businesses can reorient those exports away from Canada when bilateral barriers to trade increase.
Second, the argument fundamentally misunderstands how the ground has shifted with Mexico since its incoming president was elected in July. President-elect Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador is anxious for NAFTA to be finalized so that he can focus on domestic matters, and both the U.S. and Mexico are using the transition period to accelerate a deal.
If
Canada walks away from a NAFTA-lite, President Trump has promised to
get revenge by imposing punitive tariffs on Canada's auto sector. (Evan Vucci/Associated Press)
Failing to secure even a "bad deal"
for Canada would be devastating for the country. In a situation where
Canada walks away from a NAFTA-lite, President Trump has promised to get
revenge by imposing punitive tariffs on Canada's auto sector. If introduced in the 25 per cent range, such action would be catastrophic to the Ontario economy, with job losses estimated by some at more than 100,000. With no NAFTA deal or regard for international trade rules, there is little to stop a petulant and vengeful president from introducing tariffs on other Canadian exports, or from obstructing cross-border flows of goods and people.
In essence, Trudeau is being forced to negotiate with a gun to his head. There are a range of matters still to be resolved, but it seems as though there are no poison pills left — only bitter ones for Canada to swallow.
For example, Mexico has agreed to raise its de minimis value — the threshold below which imports are free from duties and taxes — to $100 USD from $50 USD. That's something that Canada has long resisted, with our de minimis at a measly $20 CAD. I have long argued that Canada should offer to raise its de minimis level in order to make gains at the NAFTA table. Now that Mexico and the U.S. have reached agreement, we gain no leverage for this concession.
But in order for Canada to make the necessary political concessions on dairy, the U.S. will have to further revise its sunset clause proposal beyond its reported agreement with Mexico to make NAFTA a 16-year deal. Congress strongly opposes an automatic expiry clause, and Canada should continue to argue for its removal from the deal.
Once again at the table, the U.S. will essentially offer us a take-it-or-leave-it deal based on the Mexico-U.S. negotiations. It will certainly be a worse deal for Canada than the NAFTA we have known for more than two decades, and Trump will force Prime Minister Justin Trudeau to either make serious concessions, or else be pushed aside.
To accept the Canadian government's mantra that "no deal is better than a bad deal" is to misread the situation. First, that view arrogantly overstates our economic importance to the Americans. Despite having a balanced trading relationship, 75 per cent of Canada's exports are bound for the U.S., while only 15 per cent of U.S. exports are destined for Canada. Our research on the post-Sept. 11 period demonstrates that American businesses can reorient those exports away from Canada when bilateral barriers to trade increase.
Second, the argument fundamentally misunderstands how the ground has shifted with Mexico since its incoming president was elected in July. President-elect Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador is anxious for NAFTA to be finalized so that he can focus on domestic matters, and both the U.S. and Mexico are using the transition period to accelerate a deal.
In essence, Trudeau is being forced to negotiate with a gun to his head. There are a range of matters still to be resolved, but it seems as though there are no poison pills left — only bitter ones for Canada to swallow.
For example, Mexico has agreed to raise its de minimis value — the threshold below which imports are free from duties and taxes — to $100 USD from $50 USD. That's something that Canada has long resisted, with our de minimis at a measly $20 CAD. I have long argued that Canada should offer to raise its de minimis level in order to make gains at the NAFTA table. Now that Mexico and the U.S. have reached agreement, we gain no leverage for this concession.
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But in order for Canada to make the necessary political concessions on dairy, the U.S. will have to further revise its sunset clause proposal beyond its reported agreement with Mexico to make NAFTA a 16-year deal. Congress strongly opposes an automatic expiry clause, and Canada should continue to argue for its removal from the deal.
In
many respects, accepting a worse deal will be the price that Canada
must pay for the Trudeau government's early missteps on NAFTA. From pre-emptively offering to negotiate the deal before President Trump ever asked, to ragging the puck on negotiations throughout, to criticizing Trump following his departure from the G7 meeting in Quebec: Trudeau's team placed Canada in the penalty box when it mattered most.
Trump: We'll give Canada chance to join U.S.-Mexico trade deal
With outgoing Mexican
President Enrique Pena Nieto on speakerphone, U.S. President Donald
Trump announces U.S.-Mexico deal and says he'll invite Canada to
negotiate 'fairly' to join it. 1:17
Now that Mexico and the U.S. have moved forward without us, Trudeau
must pay the piper and accept a worse NAFTA. If not, he should be
clear-headed about the alternative: an all-out trade war with Trump.
High tariffs and other trade barriers on many Canadian exporting
sectors, the gutting of our auto sector, the end to NAFTA visas and easy
cross-border movement for Canadians and other disruptions to our
economy that we haven't yet predicted.
One day, Canada can seek to reopen NAFTA again — under a future U.S. administration that is less protectionist and more open to its historic friendship with Canada. Some Canadians will continue to hold out hope for the president's impeachment or for Congress to reject the deal. Perhaps those are future possibilities, especially if the balance of power in Congress shifts following the midterm elections in a few months. But American legislators have done little to curb their rogue president so far and time's up for Trudeau. He has to negotiate now.
One day, Canada can seek to reopen NAFTA again — under a future U.S. administration that is less protectionist and more open to its historic friendship with Canada. Some Canadians will continue to hold out hope for the president's impeachment or for Congress to reject the deal. Perhaps those are future possibilities, especially if the balance of power in Congress shifts following the midterm elections in a few months. But American legislators have done little to curb their rogue president so far and time's up for Trudeau. He has to negotiate now.
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Trump announces U.S.-Mexico trade deal to replace NAFTA, and says 'we will see' if Canada can join
PMO says Trudeau and Trump held 'constructive conversation'; Freeland heads to Washington
Trump: We'll give Canada chance to join U.S.-Mexico trade deal
With outgoing Mexican
President Enrique Pena Nieto on speakerphone, U.S. President Donald
Trump announces U.S.-Mexico deal and says he'll invite Canada to
negotiate 'fairly' to join it. 1:17
U.S. President Donald Trump announced a
new trade agreement with Mexico Monday that he says will replace the
North American Free Trade Agreement.
Will Canada can be part of it? "We will see," Trump said, suggesting that if Canada is prepared to negotiate fairly it should be simple. He said the U.S. would put automotive tariffs on Canadian imports if talks don't succeed.
Foreign Affairs Minister Chrystia Freeland is now on her way to Washington to join the talks.
Prime Minister Justin Trudeau and Trump had a "constructive conversation" about the talks Monday, according to a readout of the call issued by the Prime Minister's Office.
"The leaders welcomed the progress that has been made in discussions with Mexico and look forward to having their teams engage this week with a view to a successful conclusion of negotiations," the PMO said in a statement.
"They
want a negotiated deal very badly," Trump said of the Trudeau
government earlier Monday, adding that applying car tariffs would be
easier to do than working out an agreement with the third NAFTA partner.
"Perhaps the other [a deal] would be much better for Canada," he said.
Was that a threat?
"Absolutely not," Transport Minister Marc Garneau, speaking on behalf of the government, told CBC News Network's Power & Politics.
"Now we're going to be back at the table to negotiate a deal trilaterally."
U.S. President Donald Trump had Mexican President Enrique Pena Nieto on
the phone as he told reporters the two countries had made a
breakthrough in their trade negotiations. (Kevin Lamarque/Reuters)
Trump
said the name NAFTA has a "lot of bad connotations to a lot of people"
and suggested renaming the agreement the U.S.-Mexico free trade
agreement.
While he was speaking to reporters in the Oval Office, Trump had Mexican President Enrique Pena Nieto on speakerphone. After a few technical difficulties establishing the call, Pena Nieto emphasized repeatedly that Canada now needed to join the talks so it could be incorporated into the agreement.
The Mexican president said that negotiations are now required on "sensitive" bilateral matters between the U.S. and Canada.
Currently, NAFTA's agriculture provisions are composed of a series of three bilateral deals, so changes must be renegotiated separately for this chapter, for example.
U.S. trade representative Robert Lighthizer, who was congratulated by Trump for reaching the deal with Mexico, said they hoped to conclude talks with Canada by Friday in order to comply with the 90-day window required by Congress before a deal could be signed with the outgoing Mexican administration. Pena Nieto leaves office on Dec. 1.
Trump again mentioned Canada's "300 per cent" dairy tariffs as an issue between the two countries.
The U.S. president said American farmers "are going to be so happy" with this deal.
"Farmers have stuck with me," Trump said, adding that "Mexico has promised to immediately start purchasing as much farm products as they can."
However,
it's unclear if the U.S. will withdraw its tariffs on Mexican steel and
aluminum imports. Earlier this summer, Mexico retaliated with
high tariffs on some U.S. farm exports.
Earlier Monday, Mexico's economy minister, Ildefonso Guajardo, told reporters on his way into his fifth week of bilateral meetings with the Americans that he still had to conclude a "very important" issue. It's unclear whether this issue is now resolved.
Mexico's
economy minister, Ildefonso Guajardo, seen here last Thursday, is in
his fifth week of talks in Washington with United States trade
representative Robert Lighthizer. (Chris Wattie/Reuters)
The
U.S.-Mexico negotiators have been trying to make a breakthrough on the
deal's automotive chapter, after talks to redefine what should
constitute a tariff-free North American vehicle broke down prior to the
Mexican presidential election in July.
The revised rules will require 75 per cent of auto content to be made in the United States and Mexico, up from 62.5 per cent, and 40-45 per cent of auto content to be made by workers earning at least $16 per hour.
It's unclear, however, what will happen to automotive imports from Mexico that do not comply with these new rules. The U.S. tariff for non-NAFTA car imports is currently 2.5 per cent, a rate that does not provide a significant incentive to make costly changes to comply with the new rules.
U.S. officials briefing reporters later said the U.S.-Mexico deal wasn't designed to put pressure on anyone, and it wasn't a negotiating strategy meant to isolate Canada. It's hard to get three people to agree at the same time, the official said, characterizing the sequencing as a normal, ordinary way to come to an agreement.
Canada has been part of the talks over the last year, the official said — it's not like the Canadians are just coming in at the last minute.
Rather than a five-year sunset clause, as originally proposed by the U.S., this new deal would set a 16-year term for the trade agreement, with a review process after six years to consider whether the deal would be renewed for another 16-year term. Officials briefing reporters said this longer period of time would protect the interests of investors.
Reporters were also told that the new deal represents an improvement for every sector over the previous NAFTA.
Lighthizer has spoken repeatedly of wanting a deal that can receive bi-partisan support in Congress, and strict labour requirements for Mexico were thought to be key to securing votes from Democrats in Congress.
White
House senior adviser Jared Kushner, left, and Vice President Mike
Pence, right, listen as United States Trade Representative Robert
Lighthizer talks with President Donald Trump about a trade
"understanding" between the United States and Mexico (Evan Vucci/Associated Press)
Investor-state
dispute settlement (ISDS) provisions, contained in the current
NAFTA's Chapter 11, are also dialed back, but not removed entirely.
Industries that sign direct contracts with governments — oil and gas, infrastructure, other energy providers and telecommunications — will continue to have protection under what an official called "old-fashioned" ISDS.
It also includes new measures on digital trade, financial services and intellectual property — all improvements the U.S. had sought in the Trans-Pacific Partnership — and officials suggested the new provisions exceed those the U.S. negotiated in the TPP, to which both Canada and Mexico were signatories.
The new agreement also includes a textiles chapter, to limit the use of inputs that don't originate in North America in the apparel trade, and stronger environmental provisions than the original NAFTA.
The Mexicans have agreed to increase the value of their "de minimis" shipment level to $100 US from $50 — shipments under this dollar amount enter Mexico without customs duties or taxes, and with minimal formal entry procedures.
Right now Canada's de minimis level is only $20 Cdn, raising the question of whether Canada now needs to increase its own level to be part of this deal. Such an increase might be welcomed by cross-border shoppers in Canada, but hurt Canadian retailers.
Mexico has also agreed to increase intellectual property protection for biologics drugs. The TPP would have offered eight years of protection, but this deal offers up to 10 years.
Canada has not been part of the marathon talks, now in their fifth week in Washington. But an official suggested Canada would join them Monday afternoon.
Foreign Affairs Minister Chrystia Freeland is on government business in Germany, but received updates from both the Americans and the Mexicans throughout the weekend.
"Given the encouraging announcement today of further bilateral progress between the U.S. and Mexico, Minister Freeland will travel to Washington, D.C., tomorrow to continue negotiations," said a spokesperson for her office. "We will only sign a new NAFTA that is good for Canada and good for the middle class."
"Canada's signature is required," Freeland's office emphasized.
Guajardo said Sunday that once Canada returns to the table the three parties would need at least another week of negotiations.
In a tweet prior to Trump's announcement, Pena Nieto said he had spoken to Trudeau to express the importance of Canada rejoining the trilateral talks this week.
Will Canada can be part of it? "We will see," Trump said, suggesting that if Canada is prepared to negotiate fairly it should be simple. He said the U.S. would put automotive tariffs on Canadian imports if talks don't succeed.
Foreign Affairs Minister Chrystia Freeland is now on her way to Washington to join the talks.
Prime Minister Justin Trudeau and Trump had a "constructive conversation" about the talks Monday, according to a readout of the call issued by the Prime Minister's Office.
"The leaders welcomed the progress that has been made in discussions with Mexico and look forward to having their teams engage this week with a view to a successful conclusion of negotiations," the PMO said in a statement.
"Perhaps the other [a deal] would be much better for Canada," he said.
Was that a threat?
"Absolutely not," Transport Minister Marc Garneau, speaking on behalf of the government, told CBC News Network's Power & Politics.
"Now we're going to be back at the table to negotiate a deal trilaterally."
While he was speaking to reporters in the Oval Office, Trump had Mexican President Enrique Pena Nieto on speakerphone. After a few technical difficulties establishing the call, Pena Nieto emphasized repeatedly that Canada now needed to join the talks so it could be incorporated into the agreement.
The Mexican president said that negotiations are now required on "sensitive" bilateral matters between the U.S. and Canada.
Currently, NAFTA's agriculture provisions are composed of a series of three bilateral deals, so changes must be renegotiated separately for this chapter, for example.
U.S. trade representative Robert Lighthizer, who was congratulated by Trump for reaching the deal with Mexico, said they hoped to conclude talks with Canada by Friday in order to comply with the 90-day window required by Congress before a deal could be signed with the outgoing Mexican administration. Pena Nieto leaves office on Dec. 1.
High-stakes talks now with Canada
Trump again mentioned Canada's "300 per cent" dairy tariffs as an issue between the two countries.
The U.S. president said American farmers "are going to be so happy" with this deal.
"Farmers have stuck with me," Trump said, adding that "Mexico has promised to immediately start purchasing as much farm products as they can."
Earlier Monday, Mexico's economy minister, Ildefonso Guajardo, told reporters on his way into his fifth week of bilateral meetings with the Americans that he still had to conclude a "very important" issue. It's unclear whether this issue is now resolved.
The revised rules will require 75 per cent of auto content to be made in the United States and Mexico, up from 62.5 per cent, and 40-45 per cent of auto content to be made by workers earning at least $16 per hour.
It's unclear, however, what will happen to automotive imports from Mexico that do not comply with these new rules. The U.S. tariff for non-NAFTA car imports is currently 2.5 per cent, a rate that does not provide a significant incentive to make costly changes to comply with the new rules.
U.S. officials briefing reporters later said the U.S.-Mexico deal wasn't designed to put pressure on anyone, and it wasn't a negotiating strategy meant to isolate Canada. It's hard to get three people to agree at the same time, the official said, characterizing the sequencing as a normal, ordinary way to come to an agreement.
Canada has been part of the talks over the last year, the official said — it's not like the Canadians are just coming in at the last minute.
Compromise reached on sunset clause
Rather than a five-year sunset clause, as originally proposed by the U.S., this new deal would set a 16-year term for the trade agreement, with a review process after six years to consider whether the deal would be renewed for another 16-year term. Officials briefing reporters said this longer period of time would protect the interests of investors.
Reporters were also told that the new deal represents an improvement for every sector over the previous NAFTA.
Lighthizer has spoken repeatedly of wanting a deal that can receive bi-partisan support in Congress, and strict labour requirements for Mexico were thought to be key to securing votes from Democrats in Congress.
Industries that sign direct contracts with governments — oil and gas, infrastructure, other energy providers and telecommunications — will continue to have protection under what an official called "old-fashioned" ISDS.
It also includes new measures on digital trade, financial services and intellectual property — all improvements the U.S. had sought in the Trans-Pacific Partnership — and officials suggested the new provisions exceed those the U.S. negotiated in the TPP, to which both Canada and Mexico were signatories.
The new agreement also includes a textiles chapter, to limit the use of inputs that don't originate in North America in the apparel trade, and stronger environmental provisions than the original NAFTA.
The Mexicans have agreed to increase the value of their "de minimis" shipment level to $100 US from $50 — shipments under this dollar amount enter Mexico without customs duties or taxes, and with minimal formal entry procedures.
Right now Canada's de minimis level is only $20 Cdn, raising the question of whether Canada now needs to increase its own level to be part of this deal. Such an increase might be welcomed by cross-border shoppers in Canada, but hurt Canadian retailers.
Mexico has also agreed to increase intellectual property protection for biologics drugs. The TPP would have offered eight years of protection, but this deal offers up to 10 years.
Canada has not been part of the marathon talks, now in their fifth week in Washington. But an official suggested Canada would join them Monday afternoon.
Freeland returning from Europe
Foreign Affairs Minister Chrystia Freeland is on government business in Germany, but received updates from both the Americans and the Mexicans throughout the weekend.
"Given the encouraging announcement today of further bilateral progress between the U.S. and Mexico, Minister Freeland will travel to Washington, D.C., tomorrow to continue negotiations," said a spokesperson for her office. "We will only sign a new NAFTA that is good for Canada and good for the middle class."
"Canada's signature is required," Freeland's office emphasized.
Guajardo said Sunday that once Canada returns to the table the three parties would need at least another week of negotiations.
In a tweet prior to Trump's announcement, Pena Nieto said he had spoken to Trudeau to express the importance of Canada rejoining the trilateral talks this week.
Hablé con el Primer Ministro de Canadá, @JustinTrudeau, sobre el estado de las negociaciones del TLCAN y el avance entre México y EUA. Le expresé la importancia de su reincorporación al proceso, con la finalidad de concluir una negociación trilateral esta misma semana.
U.S. officials downplayed talk of tension between Trudeau and Trump during their briefing.
Officials said that ideally Canada will be included in the agreement notified to Congress by the end of the week. Otherwise, the Trump administration will notify Congress that it has reached an agreement with Mexico, and it is open to Canada joining it in the future.
They said it would be a better agreement with all three countries.
With files from CBC's Katie Simpson, Reuters
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/nafta-trade-charest-trump-trudeau-mexico-1.4802353
Charest optimistic Canada will reach renewed trade deal with US and Mexico
Quebec dairy producers fear new dairy concessions will further weaken supply management
Former Quebec premier Jean Charest said
he believes Canada will be able to sign on to the newly reached
U.S.-Mexico trade agreement before a looming Friday deadline.
Charest quoted the assessment of David MacNaughton, Canada's ambassador to Washington, who said that reaching a new NAFTA agreement requires a solution where American President Donald Trump can said, "I won," — and Canada can walk away saying, "We have not lost."
Canada's negotiating team should "stay cool and stick to the plan," said Charest.
The former premier was a leading advocate of the Comprehensive Economic and Trade Agreement between Canada and the European Union, which was reached after changes in supply management.
He said it took a compromise by Canada on supply management — allowing more imports of European cheese — to reach the trade deal with the EU.
"In my opinion, that is where [NAFTA renegotiations are] going to go," Charest said.
It would cost the federal government $20 to $30 billion to buy back dairy production quotas from Canadian dairy farmers, Charest said, and that would only be thinkable if the U.S. side agreed to do the same.
Tinkering with the present regime is more likely, Charest said.
Quebec dairy farmers remember that it took concessions from Canada to get both the EU trade deal, and a final Trans-Pacific Partnership agreement.
"We are hoping this isn't the third time," said Yann Rioux, a dairy farmer in Tingwick, about 170 kilometres northeast of Montreal.
"We're already letting in 10 per cent of our production, totally tariff free," said Peter Strebel, regional president for dairy farmers in Quebec's western Montérégie region.
Strebel, who has a dairy farm in Saint-Blaise-sur-Richelieu, 50 kilometres southeast of Montreal, said concessions to the EU and under the TPP will expand tariff-free, dairy imports to 15 per cent.
"That's the most open border of any dairy producing country," he said.
"They already have a five-to-one advantage in the dairy sector with Canada."
When he announced the draft, bilateral agreement with Mexico this week, Donald Trump referred to Canada's dairy tariffs and repeated his threat to impose 25 per cent tariffs on cars imported from Canada.
"Mr. Trump is always pointing to the dairy industry in Canada as being the one single point that is going to make or break the deal," Strebel said.
"Trying to link dairy and automobiles, it just doesn't fit."
While
in the business community, supply management may be viewed as an
irritant, Charest said it's a lifeline for rural communities. (Twitter/@PureHolsteins)
Strebel
said dairy is a sensitive product that Canadian lawmakers have chosen
to protect, but about 39 per cent of the 2.1 million U.S. farms receive
some form of a subsidy.
Washington spends more than $20 billion a year on subsidies for farm businesses, with most of those subsidies going to producers of corn, soybeans, wheat, cotton and rice.
Strebel said he is encouraged by assurances from Foreign Affairs Minister Chrystia Freeland that there won't be concessions this time, but he said he remains wary of dairy farmers losing ground.
"We're always afraid that we are going to pay again," he said.
In an interview with Radio-Canada today, Charest said most of the tenets of the trade agreement that relate to Canada have already been resolved, though there are a "lot of grey zones" in the U.S.-Mexico portion of the agreement.
"We have to be optimistic," Charest said.
He said Canada wanted to maintain NAFTA's current dispute settlement arrangement, and is opposed to a sunset clause.
The proposed deal includes a 16-year expiry date. That's not what Canada had wanted, Charest said, but it's better than Trump's initial proposal of a five-year sunset clause on any new arrangement.
U.S.
President Donald Trump announced a draft, bilateral trade agreement
with Mexico to replace NAFTA at the White House on Aug. 27. (Kevin Lamarque/Reuters)
A five-year term would have discouraged investment in Canada by companies seeking access to the NAFTA free-trade zone.
Charest said the fact that Mexico and the U.S. have reached a bilateral agreement puts pressure on Canada.
"It's deliberate," the former premier said, calling it Trump's "divide to dominate" rule.
Trump "decides where and when and what music we will dance to," Charest said.
With files from CBC's Jaela Bernstien and Radio-Canada
Charest quoted the assessment of David MacNaughton, Canada's ambassador to Washington, who said that reaching a new NAFTA agreement requires a solution where American President Donald Trump can said, "I won," — and Canada can walk away saying, "We have not lost."
Canada's negotiating team should "stay cool and stick to the plan," said Charest.
The former premier was a leading advocate of the Comprehensive Economic and Trade Agreement between Canada and the European Union, which was reached after changes in supply management.
Supply management is the key
Charest said NAFTA renewal will also require changes in Canada's supply management regime for dairy products.
Supply management is a system that allows specific commodity sectors —
dairy, poultry and eggs — to limit the supply of their products to what
Canadians are expected to consume in order to ensure predictable,
stable prices.
While in the business community, supply
management may be viewed as an irritant, Charest said it's a lifeline
for rural communities.He said it took a compromise by Canada on supply management — allowing more imports of European cheese — to reach the trade deal with the EU.
"In my opinion, that is where [NAFTA renegotiations are] going to go," Charest said.
It would cost the federal government $20 to $30 billion to buy back dairy production quotas from Canadian dairy farmers, Charest said, and that would only be thinkable if the U.S. side agreed to do the same.
Tinkering with the present regime is more likely, Charest said.
Quebec dairy farmers remember that it took concessions from Canada to get both the EU trade deal, and a final Trans-Pacific Partnership agreement.
"We are hoping this isn't the third time," said Yann Rioux, a dairy farmer in Tingwick, about 170 kilometres northeast of Montreal.
"We're already letting in 10 per cent of our production, totally tariff free," said Peter Strebel, regional president for dairy farmers in Quebec's western Montérégie region.
Strebel, who has a dairy farm in Saint-Blaise-sur-Richelieu, 50 kilometres southeast of Montreal, said concessions to the EU and under the TPP will expand tariff-free, dairy imports to 15 per cent.
"That's the most open border of any dairy producing country," he said.
U.S. also protects its dairy farmers
Strebel said the U.S. limits dairy imports to three per cent of its market."They already have a five-to-one advantage in the dairy sector with Canada."
When he announced the draft, bilateral agreement with Mexico this week, Donald Trump referred to Canada's dairy tariffs and repeated his threat to impose 25 per cent tariffs on cars imported from Canada.
"Mr. Trump is always pointing to the dairy industry in Canada as being the one single point that is going to make or break the deal," Strebel said.
"Trying to link dairy and automobiles, it just doesn't fit."
Washington spends more than $20 billion a year on subsidies for farm businesses, with most of those subsidies going to producers of corn, soybeans, wheat, cotton and rice.
Strebel said he is encouraged by assurances from Foreign Affairs Minister Chrystia Freeland that there won't be concessions this time, but he said he remains wary of dairy farmers losing ground.
"We're always afraid that we are going to pay again," he said.
'We have to be optimistic'
In an interview with Radio-Canada today, Charest said most of the tenets of the trade agreement that relate to Canada have already been resolved, though there are a "lot of grey zones" in the U.S.-Mexico portion of the agreement.
"We have to be optimistic," Charest said.
He said Canada wanted to maintain NAFTA's current dispute settlement arrangement, and is opposed to a sunset clause.
The proposed deal includes a 16-year expiry date. That's not what Canada had wanted, Charest said, but it's better than Trump's initial proposal of a five-year sunset clause on any new arrangement.
Charest said the fact that Mexico and the U.S. have reached a bilateral agreement puts pressure on Canada.
"It's deliberate," the former premier said, calling it Trump's "divide to dominate" rule.
Trump "decides where and when and what music we will dance to," Charest said.
With files from CBC's Jaela Bernstien and Radio-Canada
Comments
Commenting is now closed for this story. Scott McLaughlin
Hopefully Freeland will keep the "gender neutral" stuff out of it and get a deal.
Ron Leblanc
Charest should just sit down and be quiet.
He had his chance.
He had his chance.
steve coy
@Ron Leblanc We get it Ron, the last thing you want is for the Libs and Canada to succeed. You remind us every single day.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/quebec-nafta-couillard-1.4803364
'Just watch me,' Couillard says of protecting Quebec dairy industry
Heightened tension over NAFTA has made its way into provincial election campaign
Liberal Leader
Philippe Couillard warned Wednesday of "serious political consequences''
if there is any further dismantling of Canada's supply management
system.
Asked on the election trail how far he would go to protect the province's dairy farmers, Couillard borrowed a phrase made famous by former prime minister Pierre Elliott Trudeau during the 1970 October Crisis.
"Just watch me,'' he said to laughter.
While his remark was delivered tongue-in-cheek, his words underscored the political and economic importance of supply management in Quebec, which accounts for about half the country's dairy farms.
The Globe and Mail reported late Tuesday that Ottawa was prepared to make concessions to Washington on Canada's dairy market, and President Donald Trump has repeatedly attacked Canada's protected dairy sector as an unfair trade barrier.
Without mentioning the current Trudeau government directly, Couillard suggested the country's second-largest province will make its disapproval heard if Canada gives in to American demands and grants greater access to its dairy market to secure a NAFTA deal.
"If someone believes they can ram through Quebec and make a concession on dairy without our consent, politically it is going to be a disaster,'' he said during a campaign stop in Rivière-du-Loup.
Couillard also reversed an earlier position as he opened the door to co-operating with other political leaders on the issue.
On Wednesday, he said he is willing to sign a Lisée-proposed declaration in support of supply management once he's had the chance to study it.
Lisée invited leaders of Quebec's other political parties to sign a common declaration to protect "at all costs'' supply management and Quebec culture, warning that both are in danger during the latest round of NAFTA talks.
Meanwhile on Wednesday, the leader of the Coalition Avenir Québec was forced to defend a candidate who had previously expressed opposition to one of the province's sacred political cows.
"On supply management, he has revised his position,'' François Legault said of Youri Chassin, an economist who has previously expressed opposition to supply management.
Speaking in the agriculture-heavy Beauce region south of Quebec City, Legault assured reporters that Chassin is "exactly on the same wavelength'' as the rest of the party on various issues, including the need to defend supply management.
Coalition
Avenir Québec Leader François Legault was forced to defend a candidate
who had previously expressed opposition to supply management, a sacred
cow in the province. (Jacques Boissinot/Canadian Press)
There
are a number of factors to explain why supply management has become
sacrosanct among many of the province's political leaders, according to
Pascal Theriault, an agricultural economist with McGill University.
It's an important economic driver as it contributes about $6 billion to Quebec's annual GDP and creates about 80,000 direct and indirect jobs, he said in a phone interview.
He said farmers are generally perceived as hard-working, and smaller family farms also play a vital role in bringing jobs and life to sparsely populated rural regions.
But beyond that, he believes the disproportionate interest in supply management is due as much to the leaders' desire to be seen as a strong defender of Quebec's interests as it is to economics.
"You show that as a political leader in Quebec, you defend Quebec within Canada, or against Canada, depending on which party you are,'' he said.
It
doesn't hurt that Quebec has some of the strongest agricultural unions
— a fact invoked in the past by MP Maxime Bernier, who blamed the
pro-supply management lobby for his failure to win last year's federal
Conservative leadership race.
"We have very strong unions for agriculture, so it would be very bad for any party to go against supply management simply based on that,'' Theriault said.
Asked on the election trail how far he would go to protect the province's dairy farmers, Couillard borrowed a phrase made famous by former prime minister Pierre Elliott Trudeau during the 1970 October Crisis.
"Just watch me,'' he said to laughter.
While his remark was delivered tongue-in-cheek, his words underscored the political and economic importance of supply management in Quebec, which accounts for about half the country's dairy farms.
If someone believes they can ram through Quebec and make a concession on dairy without our consent, politically it is going to be a disaster.- Philippe CouillardDuring the first week of the campaign, Couillard and Parti Québécois Leader Jean-Francois Lisée have vied to position themselves as the defenders of Quebec dairy as the industry comes under increasing scrutiny during NAFTA renegotiation talks.
The Globe and Mail reported late Tuesday that Ottawa was prepared to make concessions to Washington on Canada's dairy market, and President Donald Trump has repeatedly attacked Canada's protected dairy sector as an unfair trade barrier.
Without mentioning the current Trudeau government directly, Couillard suggested the country's second-largest province will make its disapproval heard if Canada gives in to American demands and grants greater access to its dairy market to secure a NAFTA deal.
"If someone believes they can ram through Quebec and make a concession on dairy without our consent, politically it is going to be a disaster,'' he said during a campaign stop in Rivière-du-Loup.
Couillard also reversed an earlier position as he opened the door to co-operating with other political leaders on the issue.
On Wednesday, he said he is willing to sign a Lisée-proposed declaration in support of supply management once he's had the chance to study it.
Lisée invited leaders of Quebec's other political parties to sign a common declaration to protect "at all costs'' supply management and Quebec culture, warning that both are in danger during the latest round of NAFTA talks.
Sacred cow, indeed
Meanwhile on Wednesday, the leader of the Coalition Avenir Québec was forced to defend a candidate who had previously expressed opposition to one of the province's sacred political cows.
"On supply management, he has revised his position,'' François Legault said of Youri Chassin, an economist who has previously expressed opposition to supply management.
Speaking in the agriculture-heavy Beauce region south of Quebec City, Legault assured reporters that Chassin is "exactly on the same wavelength'' as the rest of the party on various issues, including the need to defend supply management.
It's an important economic driver as it contributes about $6 billion to Quebec's annual GDP and creates about 80,000 direct and indirect jobs, he said in a phone interview.
He said farmers are generally perceived as hard-working, and smaller family farms also play a vital role in bringing jobs and life to sparsely populated rural regions.
But beyond that, he believes the disproportionate interest in supply management is due as much to the leaders' desire to be seen as a strong defender of Quebec's interests as it is to economics.
"You show that as a political leader in Quebec, you defend Quebec within Canada, or against Canada, depending on which party you are,'' he said.
"We have very strong unions for agriculture, so it would be very bad for any party to go against supply management simply based on that,'' Theriault said.
Comments
Commenting is now closed for this story. Sue Sharp
Couillard seems more
interested in keeping his job as Premier. I'm no expert by any
means, but it just seems daft to me that we pay twice the cost (maybe
more with some products) for dairy products than the US does. Seems to
me that the dairy farmers are doing quite well, perhaps too well.
Perhaps it's time to come down to earth....
Alain Le Brun
@Sue Sharp
1. US dairy is heavily subsidized, directly and via feed for cows (the grain is heavily subsidized). That's why the price is low. Quebec dairy is 100% non-subsidized.
2. US dairy herds are too large - because of subsidies. -- US dairy farmers have to dump milk.
3. US dairy farmers use growth hormones to get their cows into production quickly
4. US dairy farmers use antibiotics on production cows.
In Quebec (for example), cows on antibiotics are segregated, milked last and that milk is discarded. All cows on antibiotics are under the supervision of a vet. Not so in the US - antibiotics use is the farmer's decision and management.
I don't want US milk in my house - you shouldn't either.
1. US dairy is heavily subsidized, directly and via feed for cows (the grain is heavily subsidized). That's why the price is low. Quebec dairy is 100% non-subsidized.
2. US dairy herds are too large - because of subsidies. -- US dairy farmers have to dump milk.
3. US dairy farmers use growth hormones to get their cows into production quickly
4. US dairy farmers use antibiotics on production cows.
In Quebec (for example), cows on antibiotics are segregated, milked last and that milk is discarded. All cows on antibiotics are under the supervision of a vet. Not so in the US - antibiotics use is the farmer's decision and management.
I don't want US milk in my house - you shouldn't either.
Peter Contant
@Sue Sharp ...well said
Peter Contant
@Alain Le Brun ...your facts are wrong!
Marleah Stout
Canada needs supply
management. Just look at Australia to see what happens when greedy
people dismantle it. Broke farmers. Tax payers rescuing Farmers.
Chris Bacon
@Marleah Stout In the 60's
there were 140,000 dairy farms in Canada. Today there are less than
11,000 (now consider the population proportions then and now!).
Milk quotas are not cheap. The days of Ma and Pa dairy farms are long gone. This is not Ma and Pa we are protecting anymore.
Milk quotas are not cheap. The days of Ma and Pa dairy farms are long gone. This is not Ma and Pa we are protecting anymore.
Mike Fontana
"Just watch me.''
I'm going to go ahead and watch you lose the election.
I'm going to go ahead and watch you lose the election.
Peter Contant
Spoken like a true Government worker/ who is this Couillard guy?
Think about it .... we have a heavily subsidized industry that live and talk like they have built some kind of monopoly by creating , building something. These farmers have become so out of touch with reality.
This business is nothing more than a Government owned and opperated big business ....and paying the chosen few FARMERS way more for what they are selling than what it is worth. These guys talk Quotas.....they paid for .... well this Quota has a depreciating value ..... this old car is not worth more than a new car ....please. ‘Hunny Moon Is Over”
Think about it .... we have a heavily subsidized industry that live and talk like they have built some kind of monopoly by creating , building something. These farmers have become so out of touch with reality.
This business is nothing more than a Government owned and opperated big business ....and paying the chosen few FARMERS way more for what they are selling than what it is worth. These guys talk Quotas.....they paid for .... well this Quota has a depreciating value ..... this old car is not worth more than a new car ....please. ‘Hunny Moon Is Over”
Alain Le Brun
Let US milk in the market as long as it is labeled US milk. Likewise any products made from US milk.
Then it is easily boycotted. And wisely so since they do not control for growth hormones or antibiotics.
Then it is easily boycotted. And wisely so since they do not control for growth hormones or antibiotics.
Mike Cardinal
The Wisconsin dairy farmers
are over producing and Trump wants to sell that milk to Canada, its a
political priority for Trump, if the Libs want a deal by Friday, they`ll
have make concessions on dairy products and supply management.
Ian Scott
Tuff choice/ dairy supply
management works to some extent but at high cost to consumer . Has too
many farms many of which are in poor physical shape but with quotas. Too
much transport cost to run back and forth to hundreds of small farms
etc. Gonna be some trade off to exempt thousands of jobs in auto sector
vs cows in Quebec /NB and PEI. Bu then come the politics. There is
always the dumping rule just like Trump has done against Chinese steel.
Works both ways.
Chris Bacon
It's always about Quebec. ALWAYS.
Thank you Britain for not asserting your victory on the Plains of Abraham
Thank you Britain for not asserting your victory on the Plains of Abraham
Peter Ray
Although I do not agree in the entire aspect of supply management, I DO support Couillard on this.
After all, imagine what would happen if Trudeau told Alberat it would have to stop oil sands production!
Or Newfoundland to stop fishing.
Or Ontario to stop building cars.
Or...you get the idea.
NO ONE better threaten supply management in Quebec at the risk of their political career. Some things truly are 'sacred cows'.
After all, imagine what would happen if Trudeau told Alberat it would have to stop oil sands production!
Or Newfoundland to stop fishing.
Or Ontario to stop building cars.
Or...you get the idea.
NO ONE better threaten supply management in Quebec at the risk of their political career. Some things truly are 'sacred cows'.
Chris Bacon
@Peter Ray Quebec gets more
from equalization every year than the entire national dairy industry
produces. The industries you mention largely butter your bread....or is
it provide the bread for your butter....you get the idea.
Chris Bacon
@Chris Bacon should say Quebecs...not yours. Not sure where you are from :)
Peter Contant
@Peter Ray ...no one is or
will stop farmers from producing any thing...they will have to be
competitive and not as heavily subsidized. People....this is how every
other business operates.
Marc Lapierre
Supply Management has meant
that roughly 5300 Quebec farmers have held several million consumers
hostage because lets face it, supply management takes otherwise
disposable income out of the pockets of consumers. But that is another
issue.
I can't believe the politicians getting their shorts all in a knot over this. A recent study showed that the US producers receive roughly 73% of their revenues from various subsidies and other support mechanisms.
That means they don't directly have supply management, but the are funded by other means.
An obvious choice therefore would be to let supply management go and introduce subsidies which would have the same effect as the prices under Supply Management. Bottom line would be no negative effect for the producers . The US could not object as these are the tactics they are currently using.
At some point down the road, however, it will be necessary to take a look at the level of support that the producers receive.
In the long run, we should closely study promoting the efficient use of resources and the economies of scale by asking is it really necessary to have so many small producers? As I say though, this is a debate for another day.
I can't believe the politicians getting their shorts all in a knot over this. A recent study showed that the US producers receive roughly 73% of their revenues from various subsidies and other support mechanisms.
That means they don't directly have supply management, but the are funded by other means.
An obvious choice therefore would be to let supply management go and introduce subsidies which would have the same effect as the prices under Supply Management. Bottom line would be no negative effect for the producers . The US could not object as these are the tactics they are currently using.
At some point down the road, however, it will be necessary to take a look at the level of support that the producers receive.
In the long run, we should closely study promoting the efficient use of resources and the economies of scale by asking is it really necessary to have so many small producers? As I say though, this is a debate for another day.
Mike Desj
@Marc Lapierre If we let
ourselves bullied like this there will be no end to it. Threatening
people with tariffs the way Trump is doing is not a way to do things. We
have a good system and a lot of Americans farmers would like to have
one like us but this is another thing for them. I am fed-up of Americans
trying to get their ways with this kind of crap.
Cuthbert Bracegirdle
I wish dairy farmers were
being shut out of the Vancouver, Toronto, and Montreal real estate
markets due to money laundering and off-shore tax haven corruption.
Alain Le Brun
@Cuthbert Bracegirdle
Big claims need big proof.
Big claims need big proof.
Mike Desj
Trump would like to dismantle
the dairy farmers and do not give a hoot at anyone. I am prepared to
have a rough winter with NAFTA not being renewed. We cannot give in to a
bully and should stand our ground on this issue.
Michel Sylvestre
i am irritated at my prime minister.
Now is the time to present a united front. This kind of talk should occur behind closed doors.
And I also would like a real debate on supply management. If it's really that advantageous (which may be the case) nobody should fear the test of a healthy discussion.
Now is the time to present a united front. This kind of talk should occur behind closed doors.
And I also would like a real debate on supply management. If it's really that advantageous (which may be the case) nobody should fear the test of a healthy discussion.
Jeff LeBlanc
@Michel Sylvestre... Couillard is the premier of the province of Quebec, not the prime minister of the country of Canada.
Gerry Wood
@Jeff LeBlanc
Maybe Michel is not a Canadian?
Maybe Michel is not a Canadian?
Daniel Bertrand
Now you can see that liberals will throw Canadians under a bus so do not vote for liberals.
Calvin Pennell
What ! Is Philippe Couillard
about to resurrect the "October Crisis" of 1970 and invoke the War
Measures Act with these so called threats about Supply Management?....
The October Crisis (French: La crise d'Octobre) occurred in October 1970 in the province of Quebec in Canada, mainly in the Montreal metropolitan area. Prime Minister Pierre Trudeau invoked the only peacetime use of the Canada War Measures Act.
The Premier of Quebec, Robert Bourassa, and the Mayor of Montreal, Jean Drapeau, supported Pierre Trudeau's invocation of the War Measures Act, which limited civil liberties. The police were enabled with far-reaching powers, and they arrested and detained, without bail, 497 individuals, all but 62 of whom were later released without charges. The Quebec government also requested military aid to the civil power, and Canadian Forces deployed throughout Quebec; they acted in a support role to the civil authorities of Quebec.
At the time, opinion polls throughout Canada, including in Quebec, showed widespread support for the use of the War Measures Act. The response, however, was criticized at the time by prominent politicians such as René Lévesque and Tommy Douglas.
The events of October 1970 galvanized support against the use of violence in efforts to gain Quebec sovereignty and accelerated the movement towards electoral means of attaining greater autonomy and independence, including support for the sovereigntist Parti Québécois, which formed the provincial government in 1976.
The October Crisis (French: La crise d'Octobre) occurred in October 1970 in the province of Quebec in Canada, mainly in the Montreal metropolitan area. Prime Minister Pierre Trudeau invoked the only peacetime use of the Canada War Measures Act.
The Premier of Quebec, Robert Bourassa, and the Mayor of Montreal, Jean Drapeau, supported Pierre Trudeau's invocation of the War Measures Act, which limited civil liberties. The police were enabled with far-reaching powers, and they arrested and detained, without bail, 497 individuals, all but 62 of whom were later released without charges. The Quebec government also requested military aid to the civil power, and Canadian Forces deployed throughout Quebec; they acted in a support role to the civil authorities of Quebec.
At the time, opinion polls throughout Canada, including in Quebec, showed widespread support for the use of the War Measures Act. The response, however, was criticized at the time by prominent politicians such as René Lévesque and Tommy Douglas.
The events of October 1970 galvanized support against the use of violence in efforts to gain Quebec sovereignty and accelerated the movement towards electoral means of attaining greater autonomy and independence, including support for the sovereigntist Parti Québécois, which formed the provincial government in 1976.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/October_Crisis
Will Justin Trudeau follow in his fathers footsteps? His actions since the last federal election point in that direction.
Calvin Pennell
"Just watch me" is a phrase
made famous by Canadian Prime Minister Pierre Trudeau on October 13,
1970, during the October Crisis.
Trudeau, who had in previous years been a strong proponent of civil liberties, spoke of the need for drastic action to restore order in Quebec. When questioned by CBC reporter Tim Ralfe on how far he would go in the suspension of civil liberties to maintain order, Trudeau replied "Well, just watch me."
Three days later, he invoked the War Measures Act, which led to police action against many Quebec dissidents and great public controversy.
Peter Contant
@Calvin Pennell ... you have a good memory ....bang on.
Basil Masse
Supply management means the
tax payers never spend a dime to subsidise the dairy industry contrary
to the mismanaged US system that throws BILLIONS at its producers.
If Trudeau even tries to sell out to Trump he had better look up "Avro Arrow". Because a sellout to the likes of Donald Trump WILL be Trudeau and the Liberals' Avro Arrow.
You decide Trudeau, a second mandate .... or the guy who killed the federal Liberal party.
If Trudeau even tries to sell out to Trump he had better look up "Avro Arrow". Because a sellout to the likes of Donald Trump WILL be Trudeau and the Liberals' Avro Arrow.
You decide Trudeau, a second mandate .... or the guy who killed the federal Liberal party.
steve coy
@Basil Masse You sound like a
milk producer. The same ones who have been ripping your fellow
Canadians off forever. to 5 bucks for a carton of milk. And i`m supposed
to feel sorry for dairy farmers. Never.
Peter Ray
@Basil Masse
Trudeau has ALREADY killed the Liberal party.
Suply management would just be another cail in the coffin - if there is space.
Trudeau has ALREADY killed the Liberal party.
Suply management would just be another cail in the coffin - if there is space.
Jeff LeBlanc
@Peter Ray please do tell how 1 single person killed the Liberal party in a span of less than 4 years lol
This is his 4th deadline ignored