David Raymond Amos @DavidRayAmos
Methinks Mayor Cyrille Simard wants to be the Ringmaster for the SANB in this Circus N'esy Pas?
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/bilingualism-cyrille-simard-edmundston-1.4964365?__vfz=medium%3demail_notification
Why are so many anglophones not bilingual? Edmundston mayor asks
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David R. Amos
Methinks the SANB has had
quite a "Hey" Day in this comment section However Mr Higgs et al know
the score as well as I N'esy Pas?
David R. Amos
@David R. Amos In a nutshell New Brunswickers desrerve a referendum but that ain't never gonna happen EH?
David R. Amos
Methinks Mayor Cyrille Simard wants to be the Ringmaster for the SANB in this Circus N'esy Pas?
Christine Martinez
@David R. Amos I know the
comments have degraded to the point there's no reason to continue
reading them as soon as I see a David Amos "Nesy Pas?" comment. Keeps me
from wasting too much time. Thanks, Dave!
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Marguerite Deschamps
Mack Leigh
@Marguerite Deschamps
And exactly what is your excuse ??
And exactly what is your excuse ??
Marc Martin
@David R. Amos
You must be the hired clown in that circus you talk about.
You must be the hired clown in that circus you talk about.
David R. Amos
@Mack Leigh Methinks the
ladies of the SANB don't like Independent free thinks politicians who
sue the Crown and appear at EUB hearings N'esy Pas?
David R. Amos
@Mack Leigh Methinks Mayor
Cyrille Simard is not concerned about the EUB hearings merely because
his town has its own power company just like Saint John and Grand Falls
do N'esy Pas?
Noah Hathaway
There's very little incentive
for an Anglophone to learn French. English is a global language that
dominates business, internet, politics, and sciences. French just
doesn't have the global impact that English does and learning French
offers very little in terms of a benefit other than saying you are
bilingual.
As an Anglophone who has learned French I can say using it is very intimidating. The Francophone tend to be so protective of their language that they treat people with distain if they use it poorly. With the rest of the country being predominantly English there is little need for the language outside NB and Quebec. You will forget it quickly if you don't use it. Even in this province English bilinguals are often not even considered for public facing government jobs because they are not of French Heritage.
As an Anglophone who has learned French I can say using it is very intimidating. The Francophone tend to be so protective of their language that they treat people with distain if they use it poorly. With the rest of the country being predominantly English there is little need for the language outside NB and Quebec. You will forget it quickly if you don't use it. Even in this province English bilinguals are often not even considered for public facing government jobs because they are not of French Heritage.
Marguerite Deschamps
@Noah Hathaway, totally untrue!
David Hughes
@Noah Hathaway agree 100% exactly my experience!
Mary MacKenzie
@Marguerite Deschamps Care to back up that accusation with anything?
Laurie Clark
@Marguerite Deschamps
Actually it is true! One young man sent in an English resume for a
bilingual position and used his father's English last name. He received
no reply. He then re-wrote his resume in French and used his mother's
French maiden name and wouldn't ya know it, he got a call for an
interview.
Lewis Taylor
@Mary MacKenzie
I have never seen an anglophone being met with disdain for speaking french in NB and there are legions of primary anglophones that speak french in the public service. It has nothing to do with French Heritage when you name is Smith or Harris and you are ADM or DM!
I have never seen an anglophone being met with disdain for speaking french in NB and there are legions of primary anglophones that speak french in the public service. It has nothing to do with French Heritage when you name is Smith or Harris and you are ADM or DM!
Lewis Taylor
@Laurie Clark
Are you sure that he did not become CEO??? I would like to know how many anecdotal incidents it takes until something becomes law??? Maybe he made mistakes on his English resume? Maybe it was for a second job? because if you don't get called the first time then the job was probably filled by someone else. People think that 1 incident extrapolates to every time.
Are you sure that he did not become CEO??? I would like to know how many anecdotal incidents it takes until something becomes law??? Maybe he made mistakes on his English resume? Maybe it was for a second job? because if you don't get called the first time then the job was probably filled by someone else. People think that 1 incident extrapolates to every time.
Marguerite Deschamps
@Lewis Taylor, I agree, all
fake news perpetrated by the Anglo Society, the COR and the PA. I worked
with many Anglophone friends who were fluently bilingual and they laugh
at these kaputs.
Rob Mason
@Marguerite Deschamps Fake
News? Do you ever contribute anything of substance to a discussion? You
routinely blame the PA or the Anglos and rarely offer a counter point,
just bluster. A well thought out argument/response instead of always
going on the offensive would be more welcome.
Marguerite Deschamps
@Rob Mason, not too many here
contribute anything positive to the discussion. It is always the same
posters harping for the abolition of bilingualism and spreading
falsehoods in order to support their position. Not gonna happen, it is
enshrined in the Constitution.
Rob Mason
@Marguerite Deschamps don't you think if some of us made the change to thoughtful debate we
could drown out the ignorant haters? it would be much more constructive
to put forward alternate points of view and debate their merits. I am
not against Bilingualism but I am against duplication of services or
duality. Why do we need separate education boards, health boards etc?
Why does every document need to be translated into both languages? We
could cut the number of translators and only provide documents when
requested, not everything.
Marguerite Deschamps
@Rob Mason, they are the majority here and you know it. Nothing serious here to discuss.
For starters, duality in education is guaranteed in the Constitution and for good reason. And it applies everywhere in Canada. So what is there to discuss?
For starters, duality in education is guaranteed in the Constitution and for good reason. And it applies everywhere in Canada. So what is there to discuss?
David R. Amos
@Noah Hathaway Welcome to the Circus
Rob Mason
@Marguerite Deschamps your
reading comprehension would be one topic to discuss. I said duplication
of services is my issue, not the right to go to school in either
language. why does their need to be 2 separate education boards? I am
trying to get you to debate this and make your point, you are resisting,
why?
Rob Mason
@Marguerite Deschamps
"@Rob Mason, they are the majority here and you know it. Nothing serious here to discuss."
So by the above statement you admit that you add nothing of value to the conversation and are only here to foment division. You are the same as those you denigrate on this board, if there in nothing serious here to discuss (I disagree) then why contribute to the circus, unless you are also a clown?
"@Rob Mason, they are the majority here and you know it. Nothing serious here to discuss."
So by the above statement you admit that you add nothing of value to the conversation and are only here to foment division. You are the same as those you denigrate on this board, if there in nothing serious here to discuss (I disagree) then why contribute to the circus, unless you are also a clown?
Marguerite Deschamps
@Rob Mason, the right of both
linguistic groups to manage their school system is also guaranteed by
the Constitution and the courts have recognized it. It's cast in stone.
Rob Mason
@Marguerite Deschamps the right to education is in there. The right to have separate school boards is not.
Marguerite Deschamps
@Rob Mason, yes it is!
FlagMarguerite Deschamps
@Rob Mason, there are more
clowns here than you can shake a stick at. No need for another one eh?
Yet I don't read you taking issue with these extremists like you do with
me which sure brings the purity of your intentions into serious
question.
Rob Mason
@Marguerite Deschamps Re read
my posts, I said there are clowns on here from BOTH sides. I also said
rather than engage in low brow commenting why not raise the bar. You
continually refuse to do that, brings the purity of your intentions into
questions as well!
I have questioned anti french posters here many times, you choose to live in your echo chamber.
I have questioned anti french posters here many times, you choose to live in your echo chamber.
Rae Quin
@Noah Hathaway “Disdain”,
not distain. Bilingual anglophones, not English bilinguals. What is a
“bilingual”? And the speaker is probably Canadian, not English. HTH
Rae Quin
@Marguerite Deschamps Kaput?
Marguerite Deschamps
@Rob Mason, I did way back
when. I have found out long ago that I was wasting my time. No use
trying to reason with a junkyard dog frothing at the mouth.
Marguerite Deschamps
@Rob Mason, and yes, I quit a
long time ago trying to have an intelligent discussion here. It's an
exercise in futility. It's like trying to argue with Trump with his
fake news.
Jake Devries
@Noah Hathaway French is a
dying language..on life support (language police) ..We'd be much better
off learning Spanish or Mandarin
Jake Devries
@Marguerite Deschamps Notwithstanding Clause...Was good enough for Quebec to stomp on the Anglos there)
Jake Devries
@Marguerite Deschamps and yet, here you are...
Why are so many anglophones not bilingual? Edmundston mayor asks
Cyrille Simard calls for action plan to boost bilingualism in province
The mayor of Edmundston is calling on the province to make an action plan to improve bilingualism for 2019.
After 50 years of bilingualism in New Brunswick, Cyrille Simard says only one out of six anglophones can speak French.
He wants Premier Blaine Higgs and Education Minister Dominic Cardy to set up a strategic commission on education and bilingualism to improve those numbers.
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"This whole political turmoil around language comes once in a while and it's always very difficult to look at those issues with facts and data and to move forward in the right direction," Simard said in an interview with Information Morning Fredericton.
Simard said being able to speak in both official languages is a strength for individual New Brunswickers and the province as a whole.
"We must change the narrative somehow and focus more on the fact that it's an asset as a province collectively, but it's also an asset for individuals," he said.
The unity of New Brunswick is something that is troubling right now because of the recent situation regarding language.- Cyrille Simard , mayor of Edmundston"My English is not perfect but I can live in New Brunswick, I can discuss with anglophones, I can make my living in French and English and I always felt that it gave me a better grasp of what New Brunswick is as a whole."
Over the years, Simard said, he's heard from his anglophone friends in particular that the education system has failed to provide better conditions for them to learn French.
Now he wants to know what kind of solution anglophones need to learn the language.
"There's a general feeling that it could be a good idea at least to change the conversation somehow and get on the right track and see that bilingualism is a strength for this province," he said.
How it would work
Simard said respected citizens of New Brunswick would be chosen for the commission, where they would help try to solve the language issue.
"First they start addressing what are the challenges and if there's some action plan that can be brought forward to address this issue."
Le 1er janvier 2019, alors que nous célébrons le 50e du bilinguisme officiel au NB, j'invite le premier ministre @BlaineHiggs et le ministre de l'Éducation @DominicCardy à s'engager à créer une commission stratégique sur l'éducation et le bilinguisme afin de lancer ce processus.
And he's hoping the commission would perform in full public view so that in the future, this will allow the province to address issues surrounding bilingualism.
Learning both languages
On Twitter, Cardy said he and the premier have spoken about the importance of the education system, "not just in promoting bilingualism but giving people the chance to actually learn both languages."
Cardy went on to say that he's looking forward to speaking with Simard about his idea.
.@seguincbc Premier @BlaineHiggs & I have a spoken about the importance of the education system, not just in promoting bilingualism but giving people the chance to actually learn both languages - govt often talks about the virtues but didn’t deliver opportunities or results. 1/2
"The team at Education is talking about how we build a
world-class education system, across the board," Cardy wrote. "Looking
forward to talking w @cyrillesimard about his idea; building that world
class system is a project that has to include all New Brunswickers."
CBC News has asked for an interview with Higgs and Cardy.
Information Morning - Fredericton
Edmundston Mayor says there is value in bilingualism
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"The unity of New Brunswick is something that is troubling right
now because of the recent situation regarding language," he said.
With files from Information Morning Fredericton
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