David Raymond Amos @DavidRayAmos
Methinks investors would not be wise to invest in crooked companies overseen by corrupt governments N'esy Pas?
https://davidraymondamos3.blogspot.com/2019/02/canadians-deserve-answers-opposition.html
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/gerald-butts-opposition-parliamentary-probe-1.5023941
'Canadians deserve answers': Opposition pushes on SNC-Lavalin after Butts resigns
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Dayton Funk
The only way to settle this is with a full blown Inquiry open to the public.
Arlond Lynds
@Dayton Funk
Scheer and co they have spent PM Trudeau's entire term to date crying wolf, their cries are seen for what they are, partisan ranting. Dumping Gerald is good, time to turn the page.
Scheer and co they have spent PM Trudeau's entire term to date crying wolf, their cries are seen for what they are, partisan ranting. Dumping Gerald is good, time to turn the page.
Stanley Baird
@Dayton Funk what if WR
decided not to talk at all? It looks like Butts may have left in a
preemptive move expecting more bad news for the PM from WR. It is
striking thay beyond the demotion and the resignation from cabinet we
don’t know much but the PM has dug a big hole for himself because he
himself has not been silence. Virtually all the damage to the PM has
been unforced and self inflicted to thus point. Tough lesson for
Trudeau who seem paranoid.
Matt Thuaii
@Arlond Lynds
Butts was toxic from day one. Now hopefully Canada can get back to business.
Good riddance.
Butts was toxic from day one. Now hopefully Canada can get back to business.
Good riddance.
Matt Thuaii
@Dayton Funk
Great idea. Chances are it will end the same way the Duffy affair did:
Four more years of Liberal government and a big, fat check for Butts.
Great idea. Chances are it will end the same way the Duffy affair did:
Four more years of Liberal government and a big, fat check for Butts.
William Joseph Westcott Sr.
@Dayton Funk and to
completely overhaul our political system. I don’ t know about others but
ever since Mulroney and successive governments since, I’m just plain
fed up!
bill laplante
@Dayton Funk Let's not forget
that this pass for Lavalin started way back last year in the back pages
of Bill Morneau's budget, changing the law to benefit Lavalin. This
conspiracy now includes the PMO, the Minister of Finance, the Prime
Minister, the Minister of Justice and probably many more. We wonder if
after all this lobbying by SNC how much money has transferred to all
these parties to made this happen. A full investigation by an
unrelated party is the only way to find out.
Smith John
@Dayton Funk
B utt s should have to pay back moving expenses?
Why is this getting moderated?
B utt s should have to pay back moving expenses?
Why is this getting moderated?
Art Rowe
@Dayton Funk
FIRST all the critics were crying that Trudeau was guilty of trying to influence, now when it looks like that wouldn't fly they are crying that "members" of his office were the guilty ones. If that doesn't stick to the walls, they will downgrade the culprits and keep at it until they can pin it on the cleaner who sweeps up the hall in her office.
FIRST all the critics were crying that Trudeau was guilty of trying to influence, now when it looks like that wouldn't fly they are crying that "members" of his office were the guilty ones. If that doesn't stick to the walls, they will downgrade the culprits and keep at it until they can pin it on the cleaner who sweeps up the hall in her office.
Dayton Funk
@Dayton Funk , if there's
nothing to hide the P.M. should welcome it you would think. Otherwise
it's unnecessary prolonged noise which will lead us to one anyway.
Paul Doe
@Dayton Funk
I would fully support an inquiry into this. There may be a plausible explanation to all of this but, if there is, we should be able to know it transparently. I can think of no reason for a Liberal supporter to not endorse this other than tribalism.
On the other hand, I think Conservative supporters should be very upset with their Party for not bringing this new law that was put in an omnibus bill to light when it was up for debate. The Conservatives obviously didn't read it, didn't understand it or didn't care. (I may be wrong on this...maybe they did raise it and I just didn't see that...I may stand corrected.) If I was a Conservative supporter, I'd want answers on this...unless I was a tribal member of the Party.
I would fully support an inquiry into this. There may be a plausible explanation to all of this but, if there is, we should be able to know it transparently. I can think of no reason for a Liberal supporter to not endorse this other than tribalism.
On the other hand, I think Conservative supporters should be very upset with their Party for not bringing this new law that was put in an omnibus bill to light when it was up for debate. The Conservatives obviously didn't read it, didn't understand it or didn't care. (I may be wrong on this...maybe they did raise it and I just didn't see that...I may stand corrected.) If I was a Conservative supporter, I'd want answers on this...unless I was a tribal member of the Party.
Troy Mann
@Dayton Funk
Conservatives refused to open am inquiry into hundreds of missing indigenous women but they are crying for one now...
Conservatives refused to open am inquiry into hundreds of missing indigenous women but they are crying for one now...
Neil Turv
@Paul Doe
There's a reason Trudeau Campaigned on not burying unrelated legislation into omnibus bills. It makes it extremely difficult to properly debate under our current system.
That was the Liberal's claim when Harper did it, so while in theory you are correct, and the Cons or NDP should have brought it up at the time it's not that straightforward.
I am curious as to why the Liberals quietly went back on a campaign promise with this specific piece of legislation.
There's a reason Trudeau Campaigned on not burying unrelated legislation into omnibus bills. It makes it extremely difficult to properly debate under our current system.
That was the Liberal's claim when Harper did it, so while in theory you are correct, and the Cons or NDP should have brought it up at the time it's not that straightforward.
I am curious as to why the Liberals quietly went back on a campaign promise with this specific piece of legislation.
Paul Doe
@Neil Turv
I agree that omnibus bills are sleazy...when either side does them.
The fact that both sides complain about it when the other side does it but do it themselves shows the complete hypocrisy of both sides and the supporters of both sides. (I realize you criticize both sides so I don't think you are being hypocritical but most here don't.)
Whether it is sleazy or not is irrelevant that the Opposition has a duty to read, understand and criticize all Bills brought forward by the government. If they are not up to that job, they are certainly not up to forming a government.
As to your last statement: I think it is because of tribalism. Tribalism isn't about holding the other side up to the standards you hold for your self, it is about seeing EVERYTHING they do as evil while you doing the very same thing is also because they are evil.
I agree that omnibus bills are sleazy...when either side does them.
The fact that both sides complain about it when the other side does it but do it themselves shows the complete hypocrisy of both sides and the supporters of both sides. (I realize you criticize both sides so I don't think you are being hypocritical but most here don't.)
Whether it is sleazy or not is irrelevant that the Opposition has a duty to read, understand and criticize all Bills brought forward by the government. If they are not up to that job, they are certainly not up to forming a government.
As to your last statement: I think it is because of tribalism. Tribalism isn't about holding the other side up to the standards you hold for your self, it is about seeing EVERYTHING they do as evil while you doing the very same thing is also because they are evil.
Neil Turv
@Paul Doe
Yes, but my issue with it is, Harper and Co never said they would end the practice, and when they did break campaign promises it came with an explanation (i.e. income trusts).
I don't expect parties to be perfect, and I acknowledge that sometimes campaign promises are unworkable, or situations change and changes the priority. But own up to it, and admit it.
From the current Liberal Party website:
"Stephen Harper has also used omnibus bills to prevent Parliament from properly reviewing and debating his proposals. We will change the House of Commons Standing Orders to bring an end to this undemocratic practice."
https://www.liberal.ca/realchange/prorogation-and-omnibus-bills/
Yes, but my issue with it is, Harper and Co never said they would end the practice, and when they did break campaign promises it came with an explanation (i.e. income trusts).
I don't expect parties to be perfect, and I acknowledge that sometimes campaign promises are unworkable, or situations change and changes the priority. But own up to it, and admit it.
From the current Liberal Party website:
"Stephen Harper has also used omnibus bills to prevent Parliament from properly reviewing and debating his proposals. We will change the House of Commons Standing Orders to bring an end to this undemocratic practice."
https://www.liberal.ca/realchange/prorogation-and-omnibus-bills/
Robert Lee
@Dayton Funk
THE CONSERVATIVES TRIGGER SNC MISTRIAL
They know this but continue in order to smear the PM.
THE CONSERVATIVES TRIGGER SNC MISTRIAL
They know this but continue in order to smear the PM.
Phil Kachanoski
@bill laplante
The law was changed to modernize our legal system to match similar “negotiation-plea deal” provisions on the books in the USA and several other western nations. Without these tools we are at a disadvantage when prosecuting corporations relative to many of our competitors.
The law was changed to modernize our legal system to match similar “negotiation-plea deal” provisions on the books in the USA and several other western nations. Without these tools we are at a disadvantage when prosecuting corporations relative to many of our competitors.
Monique Trottier
@Dayton Funk
After the Gomery debacle costing millions for nothing, the Libs aren’t going to call another enquiry on themselves any time soon.
After the Gomery debacle costing millions for nothing, the Libs aren’t going to call another enquiry on themselves any time soon.
Kelly Nelson
@Phil Kachanoski So all of
our "friends" are jumping off the bridge, so we should too? Jeez, wheres
your sense of justice and equality? If a private citizen were accused
of fraud and bribery, they get no deal.
Neil Turv
@Phil Kachanoski
Sure, I get that, but why did they choose this specific legislation to (quietly) break their "no hiding unrelated legislation in omnibus bills " pledge?
If they want to use/endorse the same tactics Harper did, fine...But be upfront about it.
Sure, I get that, but why did they choose this specific legislation to (quietly) break their "no hiding unrelated legislation in omnibus bills " pledge?
If they want to use/endorse the same tactics Harper did, fine...But be upfront about it.
Troy Mann
@Kelly Nelson " If a private citizen were accused of fraud and bribery, they get no deal"
Plea bargain is common practice
A private citizen also doesnt employ 10000 people so little different
And if you want Canada to be competitive with our allies we need to adjust accordingly.
How is 10000 innocent people losing their jobs a good thing? How is convincing investors Canada is not a good place to invest a good thing?
Plea bargain is common practice
A private citizen also doesnt employ 10000 people so little different
And if you want Canada to be competitive with our allies we need to adjust accordingly.
How is 10000 innocent people losing their jobs a good thing? How is convincing investors Canada is not a good place to invest a good thing?
Phil Kachanoski
@Neil Turv
Omnibusbill or not, the intent of the law was to ensure we remain competitive as to the jurisdiction where corporations pay taxes.
Omnibusbill or not, the intent of the law was to ensure we remain competitive as to the jurisdiction where corporations pay taxes.
Phil Kachanoski
@Kelly Nelson
“My sense” of justice and equality?
I don’t believe I expressed an opinion regarding that.
Plea deals happen at all levels of the justice system, including individuals. The new law simply provides a vehicle to settle with corporations in a similar manner.
“My sense” of justice and equality?
I don’t believe I expressed an opinion regarding that.
Plea deals happen at all levels of the justice system, including individuals. The new law simply provides a vehicle to settle with corporations in a similar manner.
Jeannette Llody
@Phil Kachanoski
"Competition" may be the excuse for bringing in a "deferred prosecution
agreement". In reality, the Canadian government saw the writing on the
wall for SNC Lavalin and wanted to protect them. And of course they
would. For decades governments of Liberals AND Conservatives have been
handing contracts to SNC Lavalin. So much so that if found guilty at a
criminal trial, the government would be hard pressed to deal with the
fall out of interrupted services, unfulfilled contracts. They have fed
so much business to SNC Lavalin, that alternate suppliers have been
squeezed out.
That other countries are more interested in protecting their corporate partners than in the rule of law is a poor defense for Canada doing it too.
That other countries are more interested in protecting their corporate partners than in the rule of law is a poor defense for Canada doing it too.
Stu Wozniak
@Dayton Funk
A waste of time and money that would be. Bribery and fraud in business is normal in Libya. If there should be any debate, it should be on the ethics of conducting Canadian business in such places.
A waste of time and money that would be. Bribery and fraud in business is normal in Libya. If there should be any debate, it should be on the ethics of conducting Canadian business in such places.
jimmy vee
@Dayton Funk really, waste time and money not just time. Scheer just not smart enough
Marek Rudny
@Stu Wozniak Is bribery and
fraud also normal in Montreal? 30 million for the Montreal General
Hospital contract, bribes for the Cartier Bridge renovation contract. Do
you know that SNC Lavalin European offices are also blacklisted by the
World Bank. Is bribery and fraud also normal in EU?
Jon Van Lee
@Arlond Lynds
But your LIBERAL PARTY had a solution during their election campaign..
“Our plan is a sweeping agenda for change. It is an agenda that will allow us to modernize how the Canadian government works, so that it better reflects the values and expectations of Canadians.
At its heart is a simple idea: transparent government is good government. If we want Canadians to trust their government, we need a government that trusts Canadians.”
What happened Arlond ?
But your LIBERAL PARTY had a solution during their election campaign..
“Our plan is a sweeping agenda for change. It is an agenda that will allow us to modernize how the Canadian government works, so that it better reflects the values and expectations of Canadians.
At its heart is a simple idea: transparent government is good government. If we want Canadians to trust their government, we need a government that trusts Canadians.”
What happened Arlond ?
bill laplante
@Matt Thuaii Don't worry he is still there in the back room
James Rielly
@William Joseph Westcott Sr. Agreed.
David Amos
@Troy Mann "How is convincing investors Canada is not a good place to invest a good thing?"
Methinks investors would not be wise to invest in crooked companies overseen by corrupt governments N'esy Pas?
Methinks investors would not be wise to invest in crooked companies overseen by corrupt governments N'esy Pas?
Paul Ethier
Canadians, let's make Trudeau a drama teacher again.
Craig Sweeney
@Paul Ethier
We can't do that to our kids!
We can't do that to our kids!
george bath
@Paul Ethier
and McHarper a restaurant wine tester
and McHarper a restaurant wine tester
Troy Mann
@Paul Ethier
Sheer can go back to selling insurance door to door
Sheer can go back to selling insurance door to door
Lawrence Vickers
@george bath George your Guy
has been caught with his hand in the cookie jar. There is nothing you or
your faithful can say you have been shamed!
Lawrence Vickers
@Richard Sharp Sorry Richard
polls are useless these days you will find out in October. Fake Feminist
comes to mind it won't be good!
Phil Mein
@Richard Sharp The latest
Angus Reid (DEC 2018 before all this fun stuff) showed Canadians
disapproval with Trudeau at 58%. Another predicts Liberal minority. I
predict that as well, Liberal Minority which will last no more than 2.5
years .
What's really telling is that , with all his good looks, famous name, a majority government to do as he pleases, Justin has withered his support to within losing distance in just over 3 years.
I would not have been surprised if he was on his way to be the best PM Canada had ever known ( I know what you're thinking Richard , save it ) but instead he has shown to be an utterly disappointing , self serving arrogant PM who has done nothing much for Canada and sacked us with an impressively irresponsible deficit during a hardy economic times.
Sadly a disappointing result
What's really telling is that , with all his good looks, famous name, a majority government to do as he pleases, Justin has withered his support to within losing distance in just over 3 years.
I would not have been surprised if he was on his way to be the best PM Canada had ever known ( I know what you're thinking Richard , save it ) but instead he has shown to be an utterly disappointing , self serving arrogant PM who has done nothing much for Canada and sacked us with an impressively irresponsible deficit during a hardy economic times.
Sadly a disappointing result
Robert Lee
@Paul Ethier
If you think his career in politics is over, you're sadly mistaken.
The next two weeks he will demonstrate his technical savvy in the political realm.
Scheer and the Cons will get blasted by the Canadian court system for being such blabbr mouths.
If you think his career in politics is over, you're sadly mistaken.
The next two weeks he will demonstrate his technical savvy in the political realm.
Scheer and the Cons will get blasted by the Canadian court system for being such blabbr mouths.
Karen King
@Paul Ethier
duh, he never was a drama teacher, look at his credentials....
duh, he never was a drama teacher, look at his credentials....
David Amos
@Troy Mann "Sheer can go back to selling insurance door to door"
Methinks at least its work Trudeau can just charge a lot for speeches like he used to do and he has his trust fund to rely on when folks have had enough of hs nonsense N'esy Pas?
Methinks at least its work Trudeau can just charge a lot for speeches like he used to do and he has his trust fund to rely on when folks have had enough of hs nonsense N'esy Pas?
Leslie Kirby
The Vice Admiral Norman case is waiting in the wings to further sink this government.
Arlond Lynds
@Leslie Kirby
And I am guessing the Norman case will shine even more light on the disastrous Harper Irving ship building deal. The one Peter MacKay announced over, and over , and over while never managing to build so much as a row boat.
And I am guessing the Norman case will shine even more light on the disastrous Harper Irving ship building deal. The one Peter MacKay announced over, and over , and over while never managing to build so much as a row boat.
Stanley Baird
@Leslie Kirby they seem to be doing that themselves
Troy Mann
@Leslie Kirby
Norman is the guy who was arrested by the RCMP for illegally leaking top secret documents right.... And conservatives believe every word he says... lol
Norman is the guy who was arrested by the RCMP for illegally leaking top secret documents right.... And conservatives believe every word he says... lol
Jamie Gillis
@Troy Mann
VAdm Norman was never placed under arrest. Also, "top secret" is a very specific classification, and a cabinet secret over a ship contract would never receive such a classification.
VAdm Norman was never placed under arrest. Also, "top secret" is a very specific classification, and a cabinet secret over a ship contract would never receive such a classification.
Jamie Gillis
@Leslie Kirby
Not before the Grewal fundraiser comes up again next month when more information will finally be released by law.
Not before the Grewal fundraiser comes up again next month when more information will finally be released by law.
Troy Mann
@Jamie Gillis
He is on trial which means he was arrested for a crime
He is on trial which means he was arrested for a crime
Neil Turv
@Jamie Gillis
Remember when Troy says "Conservative" he includes the following groups: the NDP, Independent senators, left wing media outlets, reasonably unbiased media outlets, well, essentially every single person who doesn't subscribe to his personal interpretation of the narrative.
Remember when Troy says "Conservative" he includes the following groups: the NDP, Independent senators, left wing media outlets, reasonably unbiased media outlets, well, essentially every single person who doesn't subscribe to his personal interpretation of the narrative.
Don Smith
@Leslie Kirby
Liberals & Admiralty should have kept their traps shut & ordered another Asterix Refueler/Supply/Hospital ship for Humanitarian & Disaster Relief. Multiple Countries in the Caribbean & South Pacific close to Canada have been hit very hard by Hurricanes & Typhoons in the last couple of years could have really used help from something like the Asterix!
Davy Shipyard the only shipyard to build on time & budget in recent history!
Liberals & Admiralty should have kept their traps shut & ordered another Asterix Refueler/Supply/Hospital ship for Humanitarian & Disaster Relief. Multiple Countries in the Caribbean & South Pacific close to Canada have been hit very hard by Hurricanes & Typhoons in the last couple of years could have really used help from something like the Asterix!
Davy Shipyard the only shipyard to build on time & budget in recent history!
David Amos
@Troy Mann "Norman is the guy who was arrested by the RCMP for illegally leaking top secret documents right"
Methinks the fat lady ain't sung on that yet N'esy Pas?
Methinks the fat lady ain't sung on that yet N'esy Pas?
Ke Irwin
@Leslie Kirby That was a con
issue...Hrpr the $ over spending on fake wars, fake lakes and fake
tendering...oh that's right...there was not tendering! Wow..your trolls
are wicked or sick that is shows!
Jim Henry
Maybe there was nothing
improper about what happened between the PMO and JWR, but this becomes
more difficult to believe when the Liberals on the justice committee
refuse to actually investigate. What happened to the open and
transparent government that we were promised? Very disappointing.
Jemma Mallard
@Jim Henry I agree- the
handling of the initial criticism has spiralled beyond belief and
creates the impression that something is very wrong.
Clayton McCann
@Jemma Mallard Something IS
very wrong. It's called corporate democracy: SNC-Lavalin gets out of
jail free; Meng Wanzhou gets out of jail free, and now, it seems from
behind the opaque screen that is the PMO, that Gerry Butts wants out of
jail free.
george bath
@Jim Henry
at what point will Canadians realize the value of their vote Jim.
it has never had value.
at what point will Canadians realize the value of their vote Jim.
it has never had value.
Jemma Mallard
@Douglas Fowler Are you even
reading what I write? I am most certainly not defending anyone! I am
advocating for informed criticism.
Troy Mann
@Clayton McCann
How does Meng grt out of jail?
What are you accusing the PM and SNC of?
How does Meng grt out of jail?
What are you accusing the PM and SNC of?
Robert Lee
@Jim Henry
I prefer Liberals over HARPER DAZE.
No shutting of labs, no tax cheating senators, no torture of child soldiers, no shutting of Parliament to avoid embarrassing questions...
and a whole laundry list of other unethical behavior.
I prefer Liberals over HARPER DAZE.
No shutting of labs, no tax cheating senators, no torture of child soldiers, no shutting of Parliament to avoid embarrassing questions...
and a whole laundry list of other unethical behavior.
Jack O Hill
@Robert Lee
"No shutting of labs"
Valid criticism
"no tax cheating senators"
Plenty on both sides of the aisle
"no torture of child soldiers"
That was under Martin and Chretien. Both Liberals. Also, he did not meet the criteria of being a lawful combatant, so could not actually be a child soldier.
"no shutting of Parliament to avoid embarrassing questions"
Again, valid.
"No shutting of labs"
Valid criticism
"no tax cheating senators"
Plenty on both sides of the aisle
"no torture of child soldiers"
That was under Martin and Chretien. Both Liberals. Also, he did not meet the criteria of being a lawful combatant, so could not actually be a child soldier.
"no shutting of Parliament to avoid embarrassing questions"
Again, valid.
Troy Mann
@Jack O Hill
Do you have any proof of your accusation a senator appointed by Trudeau is stealing?
Harper was the one who ignored the child and allowed him to be tortured. If Harper had acted as was the law then we wouldn't have had to pay him out.
Do you have any proof of your accusation a senator appointed by Trudeau is stealing?
Harper was the one who ignored the child and allowed him to be tortured. If Harper had acted as was the law then we wouldn't have had to pay him out.
Jack O Hill
@Troy Mann
"Do you have any proof of your accusation a senator appointed by Trudeau is stealing? "
Where did I say that it was a Trudeau appointee? However, you may want to look up Mac Harb.
"Harper was the one who ignored the child and allowed him to be tortured."
Incorrect. He was tortured while Chretien and Martin were in power. Harper was challenged in court for nor repatriating him.
Your research skills are very poor.
"Do you have any proof of your accusation a senator appointed by Trudeau is stealing? "
Where did I say that it was a Trudeau appointee? However, you may want to look up Mac Harb.
"Harper was the one who ignored the child and allowed him to be tortured."
Incorrect. He was tortured while Chretien and Martin were in power. Harper was challenged in court for nor repatriating him.
Your research skills are very poor.
Phil Mein
@Jack O Hill Just his research skills ?
Jon Van Lee
@Jim Henry
Yup.... THE LIBERAL PARTY HAD A SOLUTION ACCORDING TO THEIR CAMPAIGN PROPAGANDA...
“Our plan is a sweeping agenda for change. It is an agenda that will allow us to modernize how the Canadian government works, so that it better reflects the values and expectations of Canadians.
At its heart is a simple idea: transparent government is good government. If we want Canadians to trust their government, we need a government that trusts Canadians.”
Yup.... THE LIBERAL PARTY HAD A SOLUTION ACCORDING TO THEIR CAMPAIGN PROPAGANDA...
“Our plan is a sweeping agenda for change. It is an agenda that will allow us to modernize how the Canadian government works, so that it better reflects the values and expectations of Canadians.
At its heart is a simple idea: transparent government is good government. If we want Canadians to trust their government, we need a government that trusts Canadians.”
David Amos
@Troy Mann "Do you have any proof of your accusation"
Google David Amos wiretap
Google David Amos wiretap
Rob Burr
Innocent people resign from their cushy jobs everyday, right?
Arlond Lynds
@Rob Burr
He clearly over stepped his position and the PM showed him the door. Proper thing.
He clearly over stepped his position and the PM showed him the door. Proper thing.
Troy Mann
@Rob Burr
Nigel Wright did the same thing and conservatives all apologized for him
Nigel Wright did the same thing and conservatives all apologized for him
Phil Mein
@Troy Mann Ah yes, ALL
conservatives apologized for him, it boggles the mind how you keep track
of all the doings , musings and statements of ALL the conservatives in
the entire country. You should work for CSIS.
Robert Lee
@Rob Burr
He did it to free himself of the constraints of public office.
Watch this space in the next two weeks how he will shut down the calls for an inquiry.
He did it to free himself of the constraints of public office.
Watch this space in the next two weeks how he will shut down the calls for an inquiry.
Troy Mann
@Phil Mein
Did conservatives all call for Harper to resign? No
Did conservatives continue to support Harper in the next election? Yes
Pretty simple to add two and two
Did conservatives all call for Harper to resign? No
Did conservatives continue to support Harper in the next election? Yes
Pretty simple to add two and two
Karen King
@Troy Mann
and did the country say they no longer wanted any Harper or Harper lite?? yes
and did the country say they no longer wanted any Harper or Harper lite?? yes
Phil Mein
@Troy Mann Conservative
voted Harper because , as per usual, the Liberals offered nothing ( and
still do except in your mind of course) Your two plus two equals
potato.
Jon Van Lee
@Arlond Lynds
“Stephen Harper has "turned Ottawa into a partisan swamp" during his years in power, Liberal Leader Justin Trudeau said Tuesday as he promised a more transparent government if he is elected in October.”
"We will make information more accessible by requiring transparency to be a fundamental principle across the federal government," Trudeau said in Montreal on Day 10 of the election campaign.
The Liberal leader accused the outgoing prime minister of leading the "most secretive, divisive and hyper-partisan government in Canada's history."
"We will clean up his mess."
What happened Arlond ?
“Stephen Harper has "turned Ottawa into a partisan swamp" during his years in power, Liberal Leader Justin Trudeau said Tuesday as he promised a more transparent government if he is elected in October.”
"We will make information more accessible by requiring transparency to be a fundamental principle across the federal government," Trudeau said in Montreal on Day 10 of the election campaign.
The Liberal leader accused the outgoing prime minister of leading the "most secretive, divisive and hyper-partisan government in Canada's history."
"We will clean up his mess."
What happened Arlond ?
David Amos
@Troy Mann "Did conservatives all call for Harper to resign? No
Did conservatives continue to support Harper in the next election? Yes"
Methinks thats true but quite a few quit or did not run for him again N?esy Pas?
Did conservatives continue to support Harper in the next election? Yes"
Methinks thats true but quite a few quit or did not run for him again N?esy Pas?
Tom Burridge
Meamwhile.....Justin refuses to allow Jody to speak............bravely he keeps her silent
george bath
@Tom Burridge
PMO privilege
a Harper tactic as well.
PMO privilege
a Harper tactic as well.
Mar Pell
@Tom Burridge
The conservatives have no respect for an oath.
The conservatives have no respect for an oath.
Tom Burridge
@george bath
Because its 2019
Because its 2019
Tom Burridge
@Mar Pell
Trudeau has no respect for truth
Trudeau has no respect for truth
Mar Pell
@Tom Burridge
And your idol keeps hiding.
Once a person places his/her hand on the bible he/she is not allowed to break the oat, of course the conservatives have a much wider definition of secrecy.
And your idol keeps hiding.
Once a person places his/her hand on the bible he/she is not allowed to break the oat, of course the conservatives have a much wider definition of secrecy.
Mike Cochat
@george bath
Harper waved confidentiality on the Duffy affair and has agreed to wave it for VA Norman. Trudeau is keeping everything quite on SNC and VA Norman.
Harper waved confidentiality on the Duffy affair and has agreed to wave it for VA Norman. Trudeau is keeping everything quite on SNC and VA Norman.
Mar Pell
@Mar Pell .. oath
Adam Mashinter
@Tom Burridge - He's really a hero, so strong, clever and modest.
Chris Halford
@Tom Burridge
There is every evidence that she intends to speak as soon as she establishes the legal bounds. It is she who is deciding to keep quiet, she has had opportunities to speak.
There is every evidence that she intends to speak as soon as she establishes the legal bounds. It is she who is deciding to keep quiet, she has had opportunities to speak.
Mike Cochat
@Chris Halford
Why is she not on the list for the committee reviewing the incident? Why are the liberals keeping her off the witness list?
Why is she not on the list for the committee reviewing the incident? Why are the liberals keeping her off the witness list?
Chris Halford
@Mike Cochat
Harper remained an MP during the Duffy trial in order to be able to claim Parliamentary Privilege if he were called to testify, he resigned his seat the moment Duffy was acquitted on all counts and the judge's statements were so thorough that there was no chance of appeal.
Harper remained an MP during the Duffy trial in order to be able to claim Parliamentary Privilege if he were called to testify, he resigned his seat the moment Duffy was acquitted on all counts and the judge's statements were so thorough that there was no chance of appeal.
Chris Halford
@Mike Cochat
Harper is not PM and in no position to waive Cabinet Confidentiality in the Norman case.
Harper is not PM and in no position to waive Cabinet Confidentiality in the Norman case.
Chris Halford
@Mike Cochat
She is claiming client-solicitor privilege for starters and has engaged Thomas Cromwell to advise her on what she can and cannot say. Governments have majorities on all Parliamentery Committees and routinely have the last word on who will speak. Since those committees are political shows, not courts of law, the witness list is chosen for political reasons. Naturally, the opposition want JWR to testify but that doesn't mean it will happen. If I were her, I wouldn't talk to ANYBODY until Justice Cromwell has provided his advice!
She is claiming client-solicitor privilege for starters and has engaged Thomas Cromwell to advise her on what she can and cannot say. Governments have majorities on all Parliamentery Committees and routinely have the last word on who will speak. Since those committees are political shows, not courts of law, the witness list is chosen for political reasons. Naturally, the opposition want JWR to testify but that doesn't mean it will happen. If I were her, I wouldn't talk to ANYBODY until Justice Cromwell has provided his advice!
harry richard
@Tom Burridge ... she will be quiet until she is sure that she will receive both her pensions.
harry richard
@Chris Halford ... beware of the trickster
John Smith
@george bath that's funny Harper waived attorney client privilege in the duffy scandal....
Robert Lee
@Tom Burridge
NO WRONG!
The SNC case is before the courts and the Libs are keeping details out of media publication to avoid a MISTRIAL.
NO WRONG!
The SNC case is before the courts and the Libs are keeping details out of media publication to avoid a MISTRIAL.
Karen King
@Robert Lee
Big sigh, the cons here are crowing over what may well be nothing...certainly nothing that they did not ever do themselves. I am concerned about Jody, she is looking very vindictive, I wonder does she realize she has attacked the entire party and not just the PM?
Big sigh, the cons here are crowing over what may well be nothing...certainly nothing that they did not ever do themselves. I am concerned about Jody, she is looking very vindictive, I wonder does she realize she has attacked the entire party and not just the PM?
David Amos
@Tom Burridge Methinks many won't be shocked if the lady lawyer is playing her former liberal buddies like a fiddle N'esy Pas?
Ross Gravelle
October is coming the winds of change are already appearing
Neil Gregory
@Ross Gravelle
Change to what?
Back to the right-wing, Conservative Party of Canada?
Didn't Harper's decade of darkness and deceit teach us anything about them?
Change to what?
Back to the right-wing, Conservative Party of Canada?
Didn't Harper's decade of darkness and deceit teach us anything about them?
Craig Macneil
@Ross Gravelle change would
be NDP or greens.If we are going to elect the cons again there is no
change just corruption and secrets once again.....no thanks
mo bennett
@Neil Gregory teach reeformacons anything? now that's hillaryous!!
mo bennett
@Ross Gravelle winds of change? only if ya happen to be sittin' down wind from the out house!
Neil Gregory
@mo bennett
You can't teach the reformacons anything because they all have their little minds made up and don't want to be confused by the facts.
It is the Canadian voter that needs to learn some lessons about the two old-line, right-wing, parties that have shared power since before Confederation.
You can't teach the reformacons anything because they all have their little minds made up and don't want to be confused by the facts.
It is the Canadian voter that needs to learn some lessons about the two old-line, right-wing, parties that have shared power since before Confederation.
Charly Vaughan
@Neil Gregory it’s lovely to
watch as tar pond economics fails miserably and the trailer park
homesteaders drives onto to the hill demanding a pipe that he failed to
deliver
Neil Gregory
@Charly Vaughan
Some of us never expected him to deliver on any of his promises, and are mildly surprised when he does.
Some of us never expected him to deliver on any of his promises, and are mildly surprised when he does.
Arlond Lynds
@Ross Gravelle
Nope, Scheer is still Scheer and when I look at who is waiting to see who is with him I see the Harper Government™ puppets.
Nope, Scheer is still Scheer and when I look at who is waiting to see who is with him I see the Harper Government™ puppets.
Jon Holmes
@Neil Gregory This degree of Hypocrisy this fast is still remarkable though.
Phil K'Mee
@Neil Gregory
Yes, that compared to this group of bumblers they were stable geniuses. (or genii for the Latin scholars) Even if the Liberals are re-elected in October, there is a good chance we will have a new PM then.
Yes, that compared to this group of bumblers they were stable geniuses. (or genii for the Latin scholars) Even if the Liberals are re-elected in October, there is a good chance we will have a new PM then.
Troy Mann
@Ross Gravelle
Dream on, one of the top liked discussions from yesterday was people missing Harper which tells all of Canada this is faux outrage and based on partisan political points and nothing to do with law and order
Dream on, one of the top liked discussions from yesterday was people missing Harper which tells all of Canada this is faux outrage and based on partisan political points and nothing to do with law and order
Phil Mein
@Troy Mann Actually one
could argue that things are so bad with this government that they miss
Harper, it depends what partisan way you look at things I suppose.
Troy Mann
@Phil Mein
So one would ignore all the scandals and issues that made us fire Harper in the first place to make your argument valid which would be impossible
So one would ignore all the scandals and issues that made us fire Harper in the first place to make your argument valid which would be impossible
Phil Mein
@Troy Mann Haha , not
surprisingly you missed my point. ANYTHING Harper did does not absolve
the train wreck that is Justin Trudeau. I know its difficult to see for
you but most adults get my point.
Jon Van Lee
@Neil Gregory
"We will make information more accessible by requiring transparency to be a fundamental principle across the federal government," Trudeau said in Montreal on Day 10 of the election campaign.
The Liberal leader accused the outgoing prime minister of leading the "most secretive, divisive and hyper-partisan government in Canada's history."
"We will clean up his mess."
What happened Neil ?
"We will make information more accessible by requiring transparency to be a fundamental principle across the federal government," Trudeau said in Montreal on Day 10 of the election campaign.
The Liberal leader accused the outgoing prime minister of leading the "most secretive, divisive and hyper-partisan government in Canada's history."
"We will clean up his mess."
What happened Neil ?
David Amos
@Troy Mann "So one would
ignore all the scandals and issues that made us fire Harper in the first
place to make your argument valid which would be impossible"
Methinks your argument fails bigtime Obviously this spit and chew is about Trudeau's wrongs not Harper's Just because Harper fooled a lot of people it does not follow that Trudeau can pull it off too N'esy Pas?
Methinks your argument fails bigtime Obviously this spit and chew is about Trudeau's wrongs not Harper's Just because Harper fooled a lot of people it does not follow that Trudeau can pull it off too N'esy Pas?
David Amos
@Troy Mann "Dream on, one of
the top liked discussions from yesterday was people missing Harper which
tells all of Canada this is faux outrage"
How many discussions went Poof and Why?
How many discussions went Poof and Why?
Tom Burridge
Seems like only yesterday at the G7.....Trump called out Trudeau " he is very dishonest and weak"....
Dean Noble
@Tom Burridge He is a good judge of lack of character
Smith John
@Tom Burridge
At least he doesn't look like howdy duty. And has nice hair, and cool socks.
At least he doesn't look like howdy duty. And has nice hair, and cool socks.
Eric Wirta
@Tom Burridge
what a great slogan on a campaign poster
what a great slogan on a campaign poster
John Swift
@Smith John Sadly, that, a trust fund and a name is all it took to become PM.
Troy Mann
@Tom Burridge
Conservatives have long supported Trump and the US over Canada so you supporting them now over Canada seems to be on par with your hatred for Canada
Conservatives have long supported Trump and the US over Canada so you supporting them now over Canada seems to be on par with your hatred for Canada
Karen King
@Tom Burridge
Then that must mean the opposite, everything Trump says is a lie.
Then that must mean the opposite, everything Trump says is a lie.
Phil Mein
@Troy Mann You don't speak
for conservatives although you try to suggest you do everyday . You'll
be using Trump=conservatives until election day I'm sure,why wouldn't
you , it's easy and saves scrounging around for a leg to stand on. But
not unlike "troops in our streets, with guns, we're not making this up"
voters once again do not fall so easily to such low brow simplistic
propaganda.
Again, YOU DO NOT SPEAK FOR CONSERVATIVES.
Again, YOU DO NOT SPEAK FOR CONSERVATIVES.
David Amos
@Troy Mann "Conservatives
have long supported Trump and the US over Canada so you supporting them
now over Canada seems to be on par with your hatred for Canada"
Methinks this an article is about your liberal heroes and Canada not their nemesis Mr Trump and the US of A N'esy Pas?
Methinks this an article is about your liberal heroes and Canada not their nemesis Mr Trump and the US of A N'esy Pas?
Craig Macneil
There is more to this than the Lavalin affair imo.
Jeff Smith
@Craig Macneil
I'm sure a certain naval Admiral agrees.
I'm sure a certain naval Admiral agrees.
Stanley Baird
@Craig Macneil I suspect that
WR may have been offside on a range of issues from SNC, IR, the ships,
the pipeline legal battles (she supports the project - not so sure about
Trudeau). This is bigger than SNC.
Troy Mann
@Craig Macneil
In order to make allegations you need an anonymous source
In order to make allegations you need an anonymous source
Phil Mein
@Troy Mann "In order to make allegations you need an anonymous source"
I suppose an "anonymous source" is better than partisan fabrication though , right?!?
I suppose an "anonymous source" is better than partisan fabrication though , right?!?
Content disabled.
David Amos
@Troy Mann "In order to make allegations you need an anonymous source"
I am far from anonymous
Trust that Gerald Butts, Andrew Scheer and everyone else who sits in opposition know that Jody Wilson-Raybould may have lost her mandate as Justice Minister because of her failings in Federal Court and the Federal Court of Appeal within my lawsuit against the Crown that was filed when Harper was the Prime Minister and Mr Scheer was the Speaker. Need I say that it irritated me big time when Jody appointed her Deputy Minister to the bench of Federal Court not long after I argued their minions in the Federal Court of Appeal?
Methinks anyone can check my work by simply Googling two names "Jody Wilson-Raybould David Raymond Amos" N'esy Pas?
I am far from anonymous
Trust that Gerald Butts, Andrew Scheer and everyone else who sits in opposition know that Jody Wilson-Raybould may have lost her mandate as Justice Minister because of her failings in Federal Court and the Federal Court of Appeal within my lawsuit against the Crown that was filed when Harper was the Prime Minister and Mr Scheer was the Speaker. Need I say that it irritated me big time when Jody appointed her Deputy Minister to the bench of Federal Court not long after I argued their minions in the Federal Court of Appeal?
Methinks anyone can check my work by simply Googling two names "Jody Wilson-Raybould David Raymond Amos" N'esy Pas?
David Amos
@Phil Mein I am far from anonymous and definitely non partisan Google me and ask your MP why I am suing the Crown
Dan Shortt
"Allegations have been made against me. They are false. I've done nothing wrong. Therefore ... I resign!"
Chris Harris
@Dan Shortt
The "I suddenly and unexpectedly resign because I want to spend more time with my family" excuse was already taken by Brison. (Marie Henein is still coming....)
The "I suddenly and unexpectedly resign because I want to spend more time with my family" excuse was already taken by Brison. (Marie Henein is still coming....)
Troy Mann
@Chris Harris
Over a hundred Harper failed apologist used that excuse
Over a hundred Harper failed apologist used that excuse
Jon Van Lee
@Troy Mann
"We will make information more accessible by requiring transparency to be a fundamental principle across the federal government," Trudeau said in Montreal on Day 10 of the election campaign.
The Liberal leader accused the outgoing prime minister of leading the "most secretive, divisive and hyper-partisan government in Canada's history."
"We will clean up his mess."
Let us know what happened Troy !
"We will make information more accessible by requiring transparency to be a fundamental principle across the federal government," Trudeau said in Montreal on Day 10 of the election campaign.
The Liberal leader accused the outgoing prime minister of leading the "most secretive, divisive and hyper-partisan government in Canada's history."
"We will clean up his mess."
Let us know what happened Troy !
David Amos
@Troy Mann "Over a hundred Harper failed apologist used that excuse"
Methinks Trudeau is a failed Harper apologist as well.
Truth is stranger than fiction and anyone can easily Google "David Amos Federal Court file No." in order to sort out the truth from fiction for themselves. Its blatantly obvious that Trudeau had a duty to talk to Harper's Minister of justice, Peter MacKay and had them pay particular attention to info found within statement 83 of my lawsuit long before the election in October of 2015
Everybody knows why I am about to put the aforementioned matter before the Supreme Court and file several more lawsuits in the Federal Court against the RCMP and the CRA etc and also run for a seat in Parliament again N'esy Pas?
Ralph Kramden
SNC followed by the Mark Norman gong show. Liberals are in big trouble.
Dirk Kohler
@Ralph Kramden
Norman is the second barrel...... ; )
Norman is the second barrel...... ; )
george bath
@Ralph Kramden
cmon ralph
harper sole sourced to davie shipyards
it's called bribing the voters of quebec
cmon ralph
harper sole sourced to davie shipyards
it's called bribing the voters of quebec
Douglas Fowler
@george bath The .. ...but, but Harper crowd still has no defense for this
Liberal failure.
Liberal failure.
Jim Clark
@george bath but Harper,Harper,Harper.Goodvtry.justin is done
Phil Mein
@george bath So with that
logic, if I rob a bank I could use the defence "ya, but Ted Bundy was a
nasty guy" and expect everything to be forgiven? Is that how things
work in your world?
'Canadians deserve answers': Opposition pushes on SNC-Lavalin after Butts resigns
Andrew Scheer says there are now 'even more questions' about SNC-Lavalin
A day after the bombshell resignation of Prime Minister Justin Trudeau's closest adviser, the SNC-Lavalin controversy shows no sign of fading as opposition parties in the House of Commons unite to demand a public inquiry.
Conservative Leader Andrew Scheer said Tuesday the gravity of the core allegation — that there was undue political influence on the criminal prosecution process — demands a thorough study by an independent arbiter.
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The party's deputy leader, Lisa Raitt, said a public inquiry is the best way "to get to the bottom of something so crucial to the rule of law."
Amid the calls for an inquiry, the House of Commons justice committee will reconvene today to continue its study of a recent news report that senior members of the Prime Minister's Office pressured then-justice minister Jody Wilson-Raybould to help Quebec-based multinational engineering firm SNC-Lavalin avoid prosecution on bribery and fraud charges in relation to contracts in Libya.
"At all times, I and those around me acted with integrity and a singular focus on the best interests of all Canadians," Butts said Monday.
Trudeau also has insisted there was no wrongdoing — that he told Wilson-Raybould last fall that any decisions on matters involving the director of public prosecutions were hers alone to make.
In a surprise move, Wilson-Raybould met with Trudeau and his cabinet Tuesday. Speaking to reporters before question period, Trudeau said she asked if she could address her former cabinet colleagues a week after her departure.
Wilson-Raybould spoke briefly with reporters after leaving that cabinet meeting. When asked if she was pressured over SNC-Lavalin, as the media report suggested, she said only that she is still "working with" her lawyer.
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The Liberal government maintains that the federal ethics commissioner's ongoing examination of the still-unsubstantiated allegations is an independent probe therefore a public inquiry is an unnecessary measure. Conservatives say the ethics commissioner is essentially toothless.
Speaking in the Commons, Liberal MP Marc Miller, a parliamentary secretary and personal friend of the prime minister, said demands for an independent inquiry were "absolutely premature."
"Despite the many media reports, what we have so far is unsubstantiated allegations. Indeed, we have two high-profile resignations, but we don't know the substance of the allegations," Miller said. "There's very, very little substantiated fact ... I will readily concede that we don't know enough. The issue is whether we are publicly entitled to enough."
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Scheer said Butts' departure "does not in any way settle this matter. In fact, it presents even more questions that must be answered."
"When the Justice Department said 'no' to SNC-Lavalin, the Prime Minister's Office wouldn't take 'no' for an answer," Scheer said. "Conservatives on the justice committee will continue to demand a thorough and public investigation, and all other options remain on the table.
Canadians deserve answers and I will continue to do everything in my power to get them."
Angus said Butts' departure — he calls the former staffer the "architect of the Sunny Ways" Trudeau playbook — could provoke a "political revolution."
"The best thing the prime minister could do to restore public confidence is come into the House and agree to an independent inquiry ... or else these questions are going to continue."
Commons committee to probe interference allegations
The Liberal and opposition members of the justice committee are expected to squabble today over who should be called to testify at the committee, and just how wide-reaching the parliamentary probe should be.
At the top of the opposition witness wish list is Butts himself and Wilson-Raybould, who resigned from cabinet last week after the Globe and Mail published its initial report.
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Wilson-Raybould has stayed silent on the allegations, claiming that solicitor-client privilege prevents her from speaking publicly; as attorney general, she was the government's top lawyer.
She has taken the highly unusual step of retaining Thomas Cromwell, a recently retired Supreme Court justice, as her legal counsel as the scandal enters a new phase.
While the Liberal-controlled justice committee has agreed to study the matter, Liberal MPs defeated an NDP motion last week that would have compelled Butts and Wilson-Raybould to appear.
Following normal parliamentary procedure with respect to committee planning, members will discuss which individuals they want to call before the committee and define the scope of its investigation in private. The opposition parties had demanded these proceedings be held in public, but Liberals successfully pushed for closed-door discussions.
The parliamentary probe itself is expected to be televised.
More to come?
Opposition members have pointed to one line of Butts' resignation statement in particular as indicating that there might be more developments to come.
"My reputation is my responsibility," Butts said, "and that is for me to defend. It is in the best interests of the office and its important work for me to step away."
Not satisfied with a committee study alone, NDP Leader Jagmeet Singh is also demanding that Trudeau waive solicitor-client privilege to allow Wilson-Raybould to speak freely at a public inquiry.
Trudeau has said the privilege question is complicated and he is awaiting advice from current Attorney General David Lametti on what he can say in public. He has also said some aspects of the government's handling of the case are protected by cabinet confidentiality.
Speaking to reporters in B.C. a week out from the Burnaby South byelection in which he is running, Singh said intransigence by Liberal members of the justice committee demands another forum for investigation.
"The scandal cuts to the heart of our democracy," Singh said. "Canadians deserve a government that works for them, not a powerful multinational corporation that has deep ties to the Liberal Party."
Trudeau thanks Butts for his service
In a tweet Monday, Trudeau said Butts served Canada with "integrity, sage advice and devotion." He thanked the former staffer for his service and "continued friendship."
In addition to the political partnership, the prime minister is close friends with Butts — a relationship that dates back to their time as students at McGill University in Montreal, where they were members of the campus debating club.
Butts then made the leap to federal politics and helped chart Trudeau's political future as leader of the Liberal Party and later prime minister.
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