Monday, 14 November 2022

Canada's own (miniature) midterm election will be in Mississauga-Lakeshore

 
  

Canada's own (miniature) midterm election will be in Mississauga-Lakeshore

A December byelection in the Toronto suburbs has big political value

While the United States was hurtling toward the dramatic conclusion of another round of national elections last week, Canada was quietly embarking on its own, smaller (much, much smaller) version of the American midterms: a byelection in the Ontario riding of Mississauga-Lakeshore.

Unlike the recently completed U.S. elections, the balance of power and the future of democracy are not at stake in Mississauga-Lakeshore. But because of where the riding is, how competitive the race could be and when it is happening, this single byelection has unusually high narrative value.

Sven Spengemann, the former Liberal MP for the riding, stepped down in May and Prime Minister Justin Trudeau triggered a byelection to fill the vacancy last Sunday. The vote will take place on December 12.

Though Spengemann won the riding three times, Mississauga-Lakeshore can't be considered a "safe" Liberal seat. In 2015 and 2021, Spengemann's margin of victory was fewer than 4,000 votes and the Conservatives won the riding in 2011 on their way to a national majority.

To improve their chances of holding the riding, the Liberals have found a "star" candidate – former Ontario finance minister Charles Sousa. The Conservative candidate will be Ron Chhinzer, a police officer in the Peel region. 

Sousa won the provincial riding three times between 2007 and 2014, but lost there in 2018 to the Progressive Conservative candidate.

Like American midterm elections, byelections are typically harder on the governing party. An analysis by the Writ's Eric Grenier in 2018 found that the governing party's vote declined by an average of 2.9 percentage points when a byelection was held.

Intuitively, that makes sense — isolated byelections don't require voters to think about who should govern for the next four years and opposition parties can focus on whatever frustrations the public has with the incumbent government.

But recent governments have also held their own in these skirmishes.

Since forming government in 2015, Trudeau's Liberals have retained seven of their own seats in byelections, flipped two ridings that were held by other parties and lost only one seat that was previously theirs. Between 2006 and 2015, Stephen Harper's Conservatives retained nine seats, picked up four and lost one.

Byelections were harder for Brian Mulroney's Progressive Conservatives and Pierre Trudeau's Liberals. Mulroney's government retained two seats and lost four. Trudeau retained 12, won four and lost 13.

Prime Minister Pierre Trudeau, seen here with Ontario Premier William Davis in 1978, saw his Liberals perform poorly in a series of byelections that year. (The Canadian Press)

A large part of Pierre Trudeau's poor record can be traced to a single day in October 1978. After allowing a number of vacancies to pile up, Trudeau triggered 15 byelections at once. Seven of the seats previously belonged to the Liberals, but the governing party emerged from the mini-election with just two.

Seven months later, the Liberals lost power when Joe Clark's Progressive Conservatives won 136 of 282 seats in the 1979 general election.

Of course, it would be unreasonable to assert now that a single byelection can predict what will happen in the next general election — especially if that general election could be more than two years away. Any number of unforeseen events or crises could unfold between now and whenever the Liberals and New Democrats decide that their confidence-and-supply agreement has run its course.

But a win by either of the Liberals or Conservatives would be framed in stark terms. (If the NDP wins, no one will know quite what to say.)

If the Conservatives win, it will be presented as evidence that Pierre Poilievre's message and complaints about the government are resonating in the all-important suburbs around Toronto — and the result might stoke questions about whether Justin Trudeau is the right person to lead the Liberal Party into the next election.

If the Liberals win, it will be offered up as evidence that Trudeau and the Liberals maintain some strength with a significant slice of the electorate — and that Poilievre hasn't broken through.

Whether Mississauga-Lakeshore has any impact on the future of the country is anyone's guess. But the winners will go into the Christmas break feeling that much better about themselves.

And if you've been feeling jealous about the "excitement" that American voters have experienced over the last few months, you can look forward to a little bit of lower-stakes fun over the next four weeks.

ABOUT THE AUTHOR


Aaron Wherry

Senior writer

Aaron Wherry has covered Parliament Hill since 2007 and has written for Maclean's, the National Post and the Globe and Mail. He is the author of Promise & Peril, a book about Justin Trudeau's years in power.

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Ministre

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Mon, Nov 14, 2022 at 6:27 PM
To: David Amos <david.raymond.amos333@gmail.com>

Bonjour,

Au nom du ministre de la Santé, monsieur Christian Dubé, nous accusons réception de votre courriel.

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From: Sébastien CoRhino <sebastien.corhino@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2022 18:22:17 -0500
Subject: Re: YO Sebastien Corhino do ya think the Team Trudeau candidate 
for Mississauga–Lakeshore Chucky Sousa remembers this email???
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Cc: asilnicki@healthcoalition.ca, info@simongmessier.ca,
fin.minfinance-financemin.fin@canada.ca, premier <premier@ontario.ca>,
"blaine.higgs" <blaine.higgs@gnb.ca>, briangallant10
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Le lun. 14 nov. 2022, à 17 h 27, David Amos <david.raymond.amos333@gmail.com>
a écrit :
 

YO Sebastien Corhino do ya think the Team Trudeau candidate for Mississauga–Lakeshore Chucky Sousa remembers this email???

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AttachmentMon, Nov 14, 2022 at 6:27 PM
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Cc: motomaniac333 <motomaniac333@gmail.com>, "pierre.poilievre" <pierre.poilievre@parl.gc.ca>, sebastien.corhino@gmail.com, csousa@liberal.ca, pm <pm@pm.gc.ca>, "Katie.Telford" <Katie.Telford@pmo-cpm.gc.ca>


SIMON GNOCCHINI-MESSIER
Candidate for the Leadership of the Green Party of Canada
Cell phone: 450-577-4227
Email: info@simongmessier.ca
Website: www.simongmessier.ca


---------- Original message ----------
From: "MinFinance / FinanceMin (FIN)" <fin.minfinance-financemin.fin@canada.ca>
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2016 20:55:38 +0000
Subject: RE: Yo Bill Morneau I have been challenged to make Federal
Case out of asserting my Right of Access to Health Care
To: David Amos <motomaniac333@gmail.com>

The Department of Finance acknowledges receipt of your electronic
correspondence. Please be assured that we appreciate receiving your
comments.

Le ministère des Finances accuse réception de votre correspondance
électronique. Soyez assuré(e) que nous apprécions recevoir vos
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---------- Original message ----------
From: "Gallant, Premier Brian (PO/CPM)" <Brian.Gallant@gnb.ca>
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2016 20:55:41 +0000
Subject: RE: Yo Bill Morneau I have been challenged to make Federal
Case out of asserting my Right of Access to Health Care
To: David Amos <motomaniac333@gmail.com>

Thank you for writing to the Premier of New Brunswick.  Please be
assured that your email has been received and it will be reviewed.  If
a response is requested, it will be forthcoming.

Nous vous remercions d’avoir communiqué avec le premier ministre du
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---------- Original message ----------
From: David Amos <motomaniac333@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2017 09:45:24 -0400
Subject: Fwd: Yo Bill Morneau I have been challenged to make Federal
Case out of asserting my Right of Access to Health Care
To: asilnicki@healthcoalition.ca
Cc: David Amos <david.raymond.amos@gmail.com>

http://www.healthcoalition.ca/about-us/team/

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(613) 688-4973

Send your feedback to: hello@healthcoalition.ca
Media Inquiries: asilnicki@healthcoalition.ca

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/new-brunswick-health-accord-coalition-physicians-1.3909652

New Brunswick slammed as 'grinch that stole' a national health accord
Canadian Health Coalition 'discouraged' by bilateral deal, but
Canadian Medical Association 'pleased'

By Bobbi-Jean MacKinnon, CBC News Posted: Dec 22, 2016 6:15 PM AT
"The Canadian Health Coalition wants the federal, provincial and
territorial governments to return to the table and work out a national
health accord, says national co-ordinator Adrienne Silnicki.
(Twitter/Adrienne Silnicki)"


---------- Original message ----------
From: David Amos <motomaniac333@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2016 16:55:21 -0400
Subject: Yo Bill Morneau I have been challenged to make Federal Case
out of asserting my Right of Access to Health Care
To: "Bill.Morneau" <Bill.Morneau@canada.ca>, "Cathy.Rogers"
<Cathy.Rogers@gnb.ca>, bruno.battistini@nbhrf.com, premier
<premier@gov.pe.ca>, gopublic <gopublic@cbc.ca>, "steve.murphy"
<steve.murphy@ctv.ca>, csousa.mpp.co@liberal.ola.org, premier
<premier@gov.yk.ca>, rosemary.barton@cbc.ca, ministre@msss.gouv.qc.ca,
minhsal@leg.gov.mb.ca, premier <premier@gov.sk.ca>, premier
<premier@gov.ab.ca>, PREMIER <PREMIER@gov.ns.ca>, premier
<premier@gov.nl.ca>, premier <premier@gov.bc.ca>, premier
<premier@gnb.ca>, "victor.boudreau" <victor.boudreau@gnb.ca>,
"brian.gallant" <brian.gallant@gnb.ca>, briangallant10
<briangallant10@gmail.com>, BrianThomasMacdonald
<BrianThomasMacdonald@gmail.com>, "jake.stewart"
<jake.stewart@gnb.ca>, jbosnitch@gmail.com, oldmaison
<oldmaison@yahoo.com>, andre <andre@jafaust.com>, sallybrooks25
<sallybrooks25@yahoo.ca>, "sally.gomery"
<sally.gomery@nortonrosefulbright.com>
Cc: David Amos <david.raymond.amos@gmail.com>, "hon.ralph.goodale"
<hon.ralph.goodale@canada.ca>, "hon.melanie.joly"
<hon.melanie.joly@canada.ca>, "Hon.Dominic.LeBlanc"
<Hon.Dominic.LeBlanc@canada.ca>

http://davidraymondamos3.blogspot.ca/2016/12/i-have-been-challenged-to-make-federal.html

Tuesday, 20 December 2016
I have been challenged to make Federal Case out of asserting my Right
of Access to Health Care

---------- Original message ----------
From: David Amos
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2016 12:03:38 -0400
Subject: I just called for the last time about my right to Health Care
Services just like Chucky "Cry Baby" Leblanc and every other Canadian
Citizen has
To: Hon.Jane.Philpott@canada.ca, gregory.taylor@phac-aspc.gc.ca,
"victor.boudreau" , jennifer.russell@gnb.ca, cristin.muecke@gnb.ca,
Tom.Maston@gnb.ca, "Terry.Keating" , "Gilles.Blinn" , ombudsman ,
"Mark.Blakely" , Annie.Guitard@gnb.ca, "serge.rousselle" , premier ,
"blaine.higgs" , briangallant10 , "brian.gallant" , pm ,
"Katie.Telford" , "Gerald.Butts" , "rona.ambrose" , MulcaT , leader ,
"Davidc.Coon" , "Bill.Casey" , "Matt.DeCourcey"
Cc: David Amos , Gerald Bourque , oldmaison , andre , GillesLee ,
"leanne.murray" , "Leanne.Fitch" , dg

Hon.Jane.Philpott
Minister of Health
70 Colombine Driveway,
Tunney's Pasture
Postal Location: 0906C
Ottawa, Ontario
K1A 0K9
Telephone: 613-957-0200
Fax: 613-952-1154
Hon.Jane.Philpott@Canada.ca

Victor Boudreau
Minister of Health
HSBC Place
Floor: 5
P. O. Box 5100
Fredericton, NB
E3B 5G8

Whereas Harper and his cohorts in the RCMP had no problem using the
DECH services against me in 2008, What is the Liberals problem in
providing me with the same service over the past year since since they
won the government mandate?

Here how your blogging butt buddy Chucky and your Fake Left pals had a
lot of fun violating my privacy and teasing me about that fact in 2008
CORRECT Mr Andre Faust? Who are you to ask such ridiculous questions
about it again this month?

AMOS PICKED UP BY THE R.C.M.P.???
Charles LeBlanc's Other blog
July 8th, 2008

I don't know if this is a joke?

I'm not a David Amos fan but this email was sent to me last week.

http://qslspolitics.blogspot.ca/2008/07/feds-institutionalize-determined-nb.html

The RCMP in Fat Fred City Pt 1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TjonbmIti-o

Speak of the Devil and Cst. Mark Blakely of the RCMP appears
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nq9WozWEyAI

RCMP Sussex New Brunswick
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vugUalUO8YY

January 30, 2007

WITHOUT PREJUDICE

Mr. David Amos

Dear Mr. Amos:

This will acknowledge receipt of a copy of your e-mail of December 29,
2006 to Corporal Warren McBeath of the RCMP.

Because of the nature of the allegations made in your message, I have
taken the measure of forwarding a copy to Assistant Commissioner Steve
Graham of the RCMP °J" Division in Fredericton.

Sincerely,

Honourable Michael B. Murphy
Minister of Health

CM/cb

CLEARLY THE RCMP/GRC AND THE KPMG PALS DO NOT KNOW
HOW TO READ LET ALONE COUNT BEANS EH?

Warren McBeath warren.mcbeath@rcmp-grc.gc.ca wrote:

Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 17:34:53 -0500
From: "Warren McBeath" warren.mcbeath@rcmp-grc.gc.ca
To: kilgoursite@ca.inter.net, MichaelB.Murphy@gnb.ca,
nada.sarkis@gnb.ca, wally.stiles@gnb.ca, dwatch@web.net,
motomaniac_02186@yahoo.com
CC: ottawa@chuckstrahl.com, riding@chuckstrahl.com,
John.Foran@gnb.ca, Oda.B@parl.gc.ca,
"Bev BUSSON" bev.busson@rcmp-grc.gc.ca,
"Paul Dube" PAUL.DUBE@rcmp-grc.gc.ca
Subject: Re: Remember me Kilgour? Landslide Annie McLellan has
forgotten me but the crooks within the RCMP have n

Dear Mr. Amos,

Thank you for your follow up e-mail to me today. I was on days off
over the holidays and returned to work this evening. Rest assured I
was not ignoring or procrastinating to respond to your concerns.

As your attachment sent today refers from Premier Graham, our position
is clear on your dead calf issue: Our forensic labs do not process
testing on animals in cases such as yours, they are referred to the
Atlantic Veterinary College in Charlottetown who can provide these
services. If you do not choose to utilize their expertise in this
instance, then that is your decision and nothing more can be done.

As for your other concerns regarding the US Government, false
imprisonment and Federal Court Dates in the US, etc... it is clear
that Federal authorities are aware of your concerns both in Canada and
the US. These issues do not fall into the purvue of Detachment
policing in Petitcodiac, NB.

It was indeed an interesting and informative conversation we had on
December 23rd, and I wish you well in all of your future endeavors.

Sincerely,

Warren McBeath, Cpl.
GRC Caledonia RCMP
Traffic Services NCO
Ph: (506) 387-2222
Fax: (506) 387-4622
E-mail warren.mcbeath@rcmp-grc.gc.ca


http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/health-accord-meeting-1.3903508

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albert franken
That $5billion Justin left at the UN would sure come in handy here.
1 day ago

David Raymond Amos
Content disabled.
@albert franken It does matter much to me the smiling bastards won't
even give me a health care card
21 hours ago

David Raymond Amos
@David Raymond Amos We all know why the CROWN Corp commonly known as
the CBC blocked my last comment it is because I am about to make a
Federal case of that simple irrefutable statement.

After all as a Canadian citizen I am entitled to the same access to
Health Care as Jane Philpott, Bill Morneau, Prime Minister Trudeau
"The Younger", Victor Boudreau, Cathy Roger Premier Gallant and you
receive N'esy Pas Hubby Lacroix and Minister Joly?
9 hours ago

John Templar
@David Raymond Amos they're turned into a communist state entity ala the bbc.
8 hours ago

David Raymond Amos
@John Templar communist or not I know that the CBC has always been
that way. If they are remotely ethical CBC moderators should not block
this comment. I am providing links to CBC's work not mine as a
blogger.

FYI I ran for public office five times and the lawyer Harper appointed
Hubby Lacroix knows his minions denied that I was on the ballot five
times. See for yourself.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/fundy-royal-riding-profile-1.3274276

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/alaina-lockhart-rob-moore-fundy-royal-1.3279252

Only after the election was history and I had read the lawyer Hubby
Lacroix the riot act Go figure why I am mentioned then

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/fundy-royal-election-results-1.3278817
7 hours ago

David Raymond Amos
Content disabled.
@David Raymond Amos I do declare its rather hard to respond to other
folks comments directed at me when I don't know or quite sometime if
the CBC moderators have allowed my last comment to be posted. Then if
my comment is allowed it is usually buried by a host of other comments
so I wind up responding to myself once I do see that my comment was
allowed.

A good example happened within this thread. I commented and I was
blocked. Hence I did not bother to waste time commenting on a topic
that I knew for certain that CBC would block for the benefit of their
friends in the other Crown Corp the RCMP. At least I know for a fact
that the non union RCMP and the the unionized CBC know I know a lot
about this topic and their evil bosses appointed by Harper Paulson and
Lacroix have ordered them all to ignore me or they will be chastised.
So much for ethical cops and journalists who are well paid by our tax
dollars to tell us the truth EH?

Please read this greedy nonsense and laugh as hard as I did (As man
who used to own his own business and employed other I earned the right
long ago to be disgusted by the greed of our public servants) .

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/rcmp-pension-plan-constitutional-challenge-women-part-time-1.3898780

Need I said I considered the latest RCMP lawsuit by a greedy member to
be a monumental joke on us all? So instead of commenting I opted to
send an email about it to the lawyers etc. Then I will publish the
aforementioned email I have yet to compose in the same blog that I am
posting all my comments (the blocked one was published first) about my
concerns about my right to Health Care as the mindless Finance
Ministers argue about OUR tax money rightfully coming back to the
provinces in order to pay for our Health Care. Confused?Trust I am NOT
4 hours ago


David Raymond Amos
Content disabled.
@David Raymond Amos Seems that the CBC moderators are blowing hot and
cold today EH? Now your minions are blocking me AGAIN for no reason
anyone ethical would understand N'esy Pas Hubby Hubby Lacroix amd
Minister Joly?

Watch out for my latest blog and Tweets about your malicious actions.

It has been blatantly obvious to me for quite sometime that
these are union people do not mind me embarrassing the Hell out of
their management but if I say anything that may embarrass their union
unions or their beloved NDP I am blocked in a heartbeat.Trust that I
will do my best to see that your moderators are and sue their fancy
pants off.

CBC demands that I post my comments in a website supported by my tax
dollars in my true name .I do and I am very aware that I can be sued
and or prosecuted under Section 300 of the Canadian Criminal Code if
what I say is untrue and libelous. Yet CBC moderators employed by "We
The People" block their fellow Canadians (Not just Mean old me) for
political reasons anonymously?

Well at least I know who all the CBC lawyers are CORRECT Alex
Johnston? It is you people who must answer for the malice CBC has
practiced against me since 2002 and identify your moderators as well
EH?
1 hour ago


David Raymond Amos
Content disabled.
@David Raymond Amos

ENJOY YA BASTARDS

http://davidraymondamos3.blogspot.ca/2016/12/i-have-been-challenged-to-make-federal.html

https://twitter.com/DavidRayAmos/status/811280089988104196
1 hour ago

Ottawa, provinces fail to reach a deal on health spending
Ottawa offers $11.5B over 10 years for targeted priorities, but
provinces want higher annual transfers
By John Paul Tasker, CBC News Posted: Dec 19, 2016 2:07 PM ET

Finance Minister Bill Morneau bows his head during a news conference
with Minister of Health Jane Philpott following the Finance Ministers
meeting in Ottawa, Monday, Dec. 19, 2016.
Finance Minister Bill Morneau bows his head during a news conference
with Minister of Health Jane Philpott following the Finance Ministers
meeting in Ottawa, Monday, Dec. 19, 2016. (Adrian Wyld/Canadian Press)

Ottawa and the provinces have failed to reach a deal on health-care
funding, despite a $11.5-billion pledge by the federal government to
boost targeted spending on home care and mental health.

The federal government has now taken that offer off the table, Finance
Minister Bill Morneau said Monday, and the Canada Health Transfer
(CHT) spending increase will revert to 3 per cent a year as of April
1, 2017.

Morneau had told the provinces he was willing to grow that key federal
transfer by 3.5 per cent each year over the next five years — at a
value of roughly $20 billion — but the provinces balked.

"We came to the provinces with a significant offer of funds ... We're
disappointed we weren't successful," Morneau told reporters.

Jane Philpott, Canada's health minister, said the federal government's
money could have made a real difference in the lives of many
Canadians.

"I woke up this morning feeling very hopeful, thinking about half a
million kids that are waiting for care for mental health services and
hoping to be able to give them good news today," she said.

"We're disappointed that the provinces and territories did not feel
like they could accept this offer and that they couldn't find ways to
use these resources immediately, to be able to get care out to
Canadians."

Health Transfers 20161219
Finance Minister Bill Morneau and Health Minister Jane Philpott listen
to a question during a news conference following the Finance Ministers
meeting in Ottawa, Monday, Dec. 19, 2016. (Adrian Wyld/Canadian Press)

Ontario Finance Minister Charles Sousa said while the provinces
rejected the federal funding plan, it was Morneau who was responsible
for ending the meeting early.

"There was an urgency to close the meeting off. We're here, we desire
an agreement, we need to come to a conclusion. Why have anybody attend
if there's nothing to negotiate or discuss?" Sousa said, adding Ottawa
wasn't willing to listen to evidence that its proposed funding plan
would imperil the country's health-care system.

    Ottawa brought ultimatum, not a deal: Manitoba health minister
    Provinces take aim at health care 'ultimatum'


He said the proposed $11.5-billion funding boost is the equivalent of
just three months of health spending.

P.E.I. Premier Wade MacLauchlan said the federal government refused to
accept a counter-offer of growing the health escalator by 5.2 per cent
a year, and had a "take it or leave it" approach to negotiations.

Now, the provinces will leave with no more money for health care than
when they arrived in Ottawa on Sunday for the renewed health accord
talks.

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Philpott on failed health negotiations0:42

Liberals sticking with Harper's escalator

The provinces and territories have enjoyed six per cent year-over-year
growth in transfers from the federal government since the last health
accord was reached with former prime minister Paul Martin in 2004.

Former finance minister Jim Flaherty unilaterally changed funding
increases to either match the rate of GDP growth or three per cent a
year — whichever is greater. (The funding change will take effect next
year.)

Provincial and territorial health ministers have presented a united
front against Ottawa's insistence that the annualized increase is a
"reasonable escalator," saying that rate is too low to keep pace with
a rapidly aging population.

    What's at stake with today's Health Accord funding talks?
    Health care funding talks turn hostile amid walkout threats


"This was an historic offer,"  Philpott said, adding the 3.5 per cent
figure is higher than GDP growth, inflation, and provincial health
spending over the past five years.

"I think there is widespread agreement that the systems themselves
need some transformation, and we're going to continue to look for ways
to do that," she said.

Philpott has said that Ottawa wants to extract greater efficiencies
from provinces that have seen substantial funding increases for health
care over the past 12 years with few meaningful improvements to health
outcomes and wait times.

The federal government's last offer to the provinces included $6
billion for home care, with $1 billion of that money set aside for
home-care infrastructure, and a further $5 billion towards spending on
mental health services over the next decade.

The government was also offering an additional $544 million over five
years in funding for unspecified provincial and territorial
prescription drug initiatives, and "health innovation."

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'We have work to do,' P.E.I. premier says

MacLauchlan said the provinces have been asking for a first ministers'
meeting on health care spending with Prime Minister Justin Trudeau,
but have repeatedly been rebuffed.

That sort of roundtable is now more important than ever before,
MacLauchlan said, and the premiers would like to convene such a
meeting early in the new year.

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Surrounded by Yukon Premier Sandy Silver, left, Northwest Territories
Premier Bob McLeod, second from right, and provincial health and
finance ministers, P.E.I. Premier Wade MacLauchlan speaks about health
funding following a meeting with their federal counterparts in Ottawa,
Monday, Dec. 19, 2016. (Adrian Wyld/Canadian Press)

He said failing to agree to such a meeting would fly in the face of
Trudeau's campaign promise to engage in "collaborative federalism."

"We do not believe that, as of the end of the day today, that we're at
an impasse, we have work to do," he said.

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In an interview with Rosemary Barton on CBC's Power & Politics after
the meeting, New Brunswick appeared to break ranks.

Finance Minister Cathy Rogers said New Brunswick would be interested
in a "bilateral" health agreement with the federal government.

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New Brunswick: 'we intend to pursue opportunities for a bilateral
agreement' with federal government5:58

Federal and provincial finance ministers kicked off meetings in Ottawa
with a working dinner last night and were joined by health ministers
this morning.

Threats of walk out over 'ridiculous' offer

Quebec Health Minister Gaétan Barrette earlier threatened to walk out
of the meetings if the federal government doesn't put more money on
the table.

"This is not a negotiation process; this is an ultimatum," Barrette
said before the day-long talks between federal and provincial finance
and health ministers got underway.

"We cannot resolve that over a one-day period ... and we will walk
away if the proposal doesn't change."
On the way in to Monday's meeting, Philpott talked about the federal
government's desire to target funding for home care and mental health.

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Manitoba Health Minister Kelvin Goertzen, centre-left, Quebec Health
Minister Gaetan Barrette, centre right, and other provincial health
ministers angrily rejected an earlier proposal by the federal
government, saying the offer was ridiculous. (Adrian Wyld/Canadian
Press)

She said there are 500,000 Canadians who are not able to go to work
because they are mentally ill, while more than 15 per cent of patients
in hospital beds are occupied by people who could actually be at home
or in the community.

"The kind of money we're putting on the table today for the provinces
and territories means that we will able to close that gap entirely [in
those specific areas]. This is a historical, transformative offer,"
she said. "We know the Canada Health Transfer is the biggest it's ever
been."

Barrette said it was "completely ridiculous" for Philpott to call the
deal "transformative."
"If Minister Philpott is calling this is a transformative proposal,
she's right. She'll be transforming the system and for the worse."

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