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Coroner's inquest into girl's 2022 school-bus death underway in Moncton

 

Inquest into Dorchester school bus death of 13-year-old girl ends with 12 recommendations

Hailey Pierce died on April 13, 2022, from injuries she suffered when she jumped from moving bus

WARNING: This story contains distressing details

A New Brunswick coroner's jury examining the death of a 13-year-old girl who died after she jumped from the emergency exit of her moving school bus in Dorchester two years ago has made 12 recommendations aimed at preventing similar deaths.

The jury took about five hours to deliberate at the Moncton courthouse Wednesday after hearing two days of testimony from 15 witnesses about the death of Hailey Pierce.

The teen was sitting with a friend at the back of the bus on her way home from Dorchester Consolidated School on April 12, 2022, when she suddenly stood up, opened the back door and jumped out, the inquest heard.

She was pronounced dead at the Moncton Hospital the next day at 11:24 a.m.

Coroner David Farrow determined her cause of death was a traumatic brain injury and ruled it a suicide.

The five-member jury reached the same conclusions and delivered recommendations dealing with school buses, mental health supports in schools, as well as the health-care system after hearing Hailey visited the emergency department for mental health issues nine times in the months leading up to her death, often because of suicidal thoughts.

 A black and white photo of the interior of a school bus, showing the back door and its opening mechanism.Hailey opened the emergency exit of her school bus, pictured here in this court exhibit, testified driver Michael McIntyre. The exits are designed to be easily opened by a child, by raising the handle to a vertical position, in case of an emergency, he said. (Coroner Services, court exhibit)

The recommended changes for school buses include an additional adult seated at the back, assigned seating for students, based on needs and a mechanical interlock to prevent emergency doors from being opened while a bus is travelling over a certain speed limit.

The bus driver, Michael McIntyre, testified he was travelling about 53 kilometres an hour in an 80 km/h-zone at the time of the incident.

With respect to schools, the jury recommended more training for teachers or other professionals dealing with students with mental health issues, more supports within schools, such as additional resource teachers, guidance counselors, and educational assistants and alternative learning environments outside schools for students struggling with mental health and school-environment stress.

Hailey was assigned a child and youth counsellor through the province's integrated service program and had access to a quiet room at the school if she was having a conflict with another student or was feeling overwhelmed, school officials testified.

A man with greying hair and goatee, wearing glasses and a suit. Deputy chief coroner Michael Johnston thanked the jurors for their service and said the community can be satisfied this death has 'not been overlooked concealed or ignored.' (Bobbi-Jean MacKinnon/CBC)

A single primary psychiatrist should be appointed to be in charge of a patient's medications, the jury said, and better resources should be available to mental health patients deemed high-risk, such as admittance to a psychiatric hospital for an extended period of time to monitor progress and reactions to medications, with follow-up appointments and evaluations by an assigned psychiatrist.

Hailey was taking up to four different medications at one point — some prescribed by her regular psychiatrist, while two other psychiatrists on-call at the ER prescribed other drugs or changed doses. In December 2021, when she was admitted to pediatric intensive care for four days due to fainting spells, a pediatrician took her off her psychiatric medications to determine if they were the possible cause.

There should be separate, more private and calm areas within ERs for mental health patients waiting to be seen, better communication between Horizon and Vitalité regarding patients' medical history, and a more proactive approach among professionals dealing with mental health patients to identify changes and potential gaps in their care, the jury said.

A wide-angle view of a large, red brick building. Since early 2022 the Moncton Hospital has had an addictions and mental health team working in the emergency department, and three dedicated waiting rooms for people with mental health concerns, the inquest heard Tuesday. (Guy LeBlanc/Radio-Canada)

Amelie Comeau, clinical lead nurse at Moncton Hospital addictions and mental health program, testified her position and the team she leads were introduced in early 2022 to better help people who come to the emergency room with a mental health problem.

There are three dedicated rooms in the ER for people with mental health concerns, team nurses can consult directly with a psychiatrist without having to go through an ER doctor first, which saves time, and they follow up with community partners about patients' visits, she said.

In addition, the jury recommended "sufficient support" to assist parents or guardians dealing with mental health issues within their family.

Hailey's mother and other family members who sat in the front row throughout the three-day inquest declined to speak to the media.

Sexual assault not considered relevant

On Tuesday, when Jennifer Little, Horizon's chief nursing information officer, detailed each of Hailey's ER visits for the jury, she said the teen was transported by ambulance on Feb. 15 and disclosed to paramedics that she had been sexually assaulted.

The jury asked at the time for more information. Little said she didn't have the full file, only notes indicating, "patient told paramedics that she had mental health issues since a young age due to a sexual assault [and] that the last two weeks were worse with thoughts of suicide."

 Exterior of a multi-storey stone-clad building with the words "Palais de Justice Moncton Law Courts".Members of Hailey's family attended the inquest, which was held at the Moncton courthouse Monday through Wednesday. (Shane Magee/CBC)

None of the recommendations dealt with sexual assault.

Asked for more information about the sexual assault following the proceedings, deputy chief coroner Michael Johnston had little to say.

"I'm not really able to comment any further on that. It was explored to the level that it was thought that it was needed for the purpose of the inquest," he said.

Agencies have 6 months to respond

Johnston told reporters he's pleased with the jury's comprehensive recommendations and believes they'll help prevent similar deaths.

"They did a good job at making some solid recommendations today that I support. And I didn't feel I had anything to add at this point," he said.

Johnston will forward the recommendations to the relevant agencies, which will have about six months to respond.

"Whether they'll be possible or not will really be up to the agencies to determine if it fits within their mandate and within their current safety standards."

He noted they are recommendations, not orders. But their responses will be published in the annual coroner's report. "That's the limit of our authority."

Still, "a number" of recommendations from previous inquests have been implemented, according to Johnston. "It's definitely something that we don't do for for no reason. We believe in the process and believe that it will help."

Horizon review prompted recommendations, changes

On Tuesday, the jury heard that Horizon Health Network came up with six recommendations for improvements, based on a quality process review conducted after Hailey's death.

Such reviews are done any time a patient who received mental health care in the previous six months dies, said Little, the former regional director of child and youth services for addictions and mental health, who co-led the review.

"We identify any potential process or system area that can be improved upon," she said.

Three women walking. Jennifer Little, Horizon's chief nursing information officer, centre, detailed each of Hailey's ER visits for the jury Tuesday. (Radio-Canada)

Several people who interacted with the teen reviewed her medical reports together to come up with the recommendations, said Little. The recommendations included asking Horizon to: 

  • Explore the option to integrate standardized suicide risk-assessments into the emergency department triage protocol.
  • Investigate opportunities to flag "high-risk" mental health clients when presenting and registered in the emergency department, such as previous suicide attempts or self-harming.
  • Investigate opportunities for continuing education for all staff and external partners, such as Ambulance New Brunswick) regarding duty to report for child protection services.
  • Review emergency department guidelines on after-hours mental health services.
  • Engage all stakeholders and partners, such as school administrators and private counsellors, in the post-suicide review process.

Horizon has implemented all six, but the third one is considered only partially complete, as the regional health network can't dictate what external partners, such as Ambulance New Brunswick, do. 

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Inquest jury begins deliberations in Dorchester school bus death of 13-year-old girl

Hailey Pierce died on April 13, 2022, from injuries she suffered when she jumped from moving bus

WARNING: This story contains distressing details

A New Brunswick coroner's jury examining the death of a 13-year-old girl who died after she jumped from the emergency exit of her moving school bus in Dorchester two years ago has begun deliberations.

Deputy chief coroner Michael Johnston delivered his instructions to the five-member jury at the Moncton courthouse Wednesday morning after two days of testimony from 15 witnesses regarding the death of Hailey Pierce.

The teen was sitting with a friend at the back of the bus on her way home from Dorchester Consolidated School on April 12, 2022, when she suddenly stood up, opened the back door and jumped out, the inquest heard.

She was pronounced dead at the Moncton Hospital the next day at 11:24 a.m.

Coroner David Farrow determined her cause of death was a traumatic brain injury and ruled it a suicide.

But that occurred before the decision to hold an inquest, Johnston told the jury.

"Those decisions are yours to make today, based on the evidence," he said.

A black and white photo of the interior of a school bus, showing the back door and its opening mechanism. Hailey opened the emergency exit of her school bus, pictured here in this court exhibit, testified driver Michael McIntyre. The exits are designed to be easily opened by a child, by raising the handle to a vertical position, in case of an emergency, he said. (Coroner Services, court exhibit)

The three men and two women must determine how, when, where and by what means Hailey came to her death. They have five choices, he said: homicide, suicide, natural, accident or undetermined.

Their decision does not have to be unanimous. Only a majority is required.

Urged to make recommendations

Johnston reviewed with the jury some of the evidence from school and health officials he believed to be most relevant and stressed the inquest is not a criminal trial or civil lawsuit — it's a fact-finding mission..

Two men in suits walking with briefcases. Coroner Michael Johnston, right, pictured in a file photo with Crown prosecutor Patrick Wilbur, who is assisting with the inquest, delivered his instructions to the inquest jury Wednesday morning. (Graham Thompson/CBC)

"I am therefore instructing you that you may not express any conclusion of civil or criminal responsibility, and are prohibited from [naming] any person or persons responsible for any act or omission which may have contributed to the death of Hailey Pierce," he said, as the teen's mother and other members of her family looked on from the front row.

He also urged the jury to consider making recommendations aimed at preventing other deaths or injuries in similar circumstances.

Horizon review prompted recommendations, changes

On Tuesday, the jury heard that Horizon Health Network came up with six recommendations for improvements, based on a quality process review conducted after Hailey's death.

Such reviews are done any time a patient who received mental health care in the previous six months dies, said chief nursing information officer Jennifer Little, the former regional director of child and youth services for addictions and mental health, who co-led the review.

"We identify any potential process or system area that can be improved upon," she said.

Three women walking. Jennifer Little, Horizon's chief nursing information officer, centre, detailed each of Hailey's ER visits for the jury Tuesday. (Radio-Canada)

Hailey visited the emergency department for mental health issues nine times in the months leading up to her death, often because of suicidal thoughts, but was never admitted for in-patient treatment, the inquest heard Tuesday.

A number of witnesses testified they did not believe she required hospitalization, given the support and services she had in the community.

She didn't seem to be in crisis.
- Brenda Miklavic, child and youth mental health social worker

Brenda Miklavic, a Horizon child and youth mental health social worker, who met with Hailey the day she jumped from the bus, said the teen was concerned about going to high school, and "feeling like she didn't belong," but "she didn't seem to be in crisis."

Miklavic said she believed Hailey was using the coping skills she had learned, and the school guidance and resource teacher Lisa Wells confirmed earlier that morning that her "episodes were fewer and not as long."

Several people who interacted with the teen reviewed her medical reports together to come up with the recommendations, said Little. The recommendations included asking Horizon to: 

  • Explore the option to integrate standardized suicide risk-assessments into the emergency department triage protocol.
  • Investigate opportunities to flag "high-risk" mental health clients when presenting and registered in the emergency department, such as previous suicide attempts or self-harming.
  • Investigate opportunities for continuing education for all staff and external partners, such as Ambulance New Brunswick) regarding duty to report for child protection services.
  • Review emergency department guidelines on after-hours mental health services.
  • Engage all stakeholders and partners, such as school administrators and private counsellors, in the post-suicide review process.

Horizon has implemented all six, but the third one is considered only partially complete, as the regional health network can't dictate what external partners, such as Ambulance New Brunswick, do. 

 
 
 

Dorchester girl who jumped from school bus visited ER 9 times, inquest hears

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A 13-year-old girl who died after she jumped from the emergency exit of her moving school bus in Dorchester, N.B., two years ago visited the emergency department for mental health issues nine times in the months leading up to her death, a coroner's inquest heard Tuesday.

Hailey Pierce suffered a severe brain injury on April 12, 2022, and was pronounced dead at the Moncton Hospital the next morning.

The jury heard testimony from seven more witnesses during the second day of the inquest, which painted a picture of the teen's life, her mental health struggles, and efforts to get help.

Jodi Stilwell, a licensed counselling therapist, who started seeing Hailey in April 2021, said she was bullied "quite a lot" by other students, but switched to Dorchester Consolidated School in September 2021 and seemed to be doing better.

By early March though, that changed.

A wide-angle view of a large, red brick building. The 13-year-old went to the Moncton Hospital's emergency department three times in late 2021 and six times in early 2022, often due to suicidal thoughts. (Guy LeBlanc/Radio-Canada)

The teen, who was diagnosed with ADHD and mood disorder, violated her new school's dress code and got into an altercation with another girl that involved police.

She was running away from home, self-cutting and suicidal.

Dr. Syed Sadiq, her psychiatrist since Aug. 9, 2019, had prescribed various medications that he felt were working. He met with her five times up to March 2022, and at no time felt hospitalization was required, based on guidelines psychiatrists follow, his experience and her presentation, he told the Moncton courtroom.

First ER visit in November 2021

Hailey did visit the hospital several times, however, said Jennifer Little, Horizon's chief nursing information officer, who detailed each visit for the jury.

On Nov. 17, 2021, the teen had self-cut her arm and expressed suicidal ideation to the RCMP. She was taken to the Dr. Georges-L.-Dumont University Hospital Centre's ER and transferred the next morning to the Moncton Hospital, where she saw a child psychiatrist.

Little said she was suicidal, but was not admitted.

On Dec. 31, 2021, she went to the ER again with suicidal ideation and was triaged as Level 2 — the second most severe, said Little

The teen was seen by a physician but sent home and asked to return the next morning for a psychiatric evaluation, she said.

Three women walking. Jennifer Little, Horizon's chief nursing information officer, centre, was the last of 15 witnesses to testify during the two days of evidence. (Radio-Canada)

That was completed, but she returned by ambulance on Jan. 2.

"She was having thoughts of self-harm and passive thoughts of suicide, with no intent or no plan," said Little. She was "calm and pleasant," and scheduled to start taking a new medication that night, which had been prescribed by a psychiatrist.

On Feb. 2, 2022, Hailey was back in the ER with her mom for suicidal behaviour and borderline personality disorder.

Five days later, she was suicidal and returned to the ER, but left without being seen after waiting more than five hours. She had been triaged as Level 3 that night. "In ideal situations triage level 3 would be [seen within] 30 minutes but it's not something that we attain regularly," said Little, noting it's a problem across the country.

"There's a whole bunch of reasons," she said, including lack of resources.

Exterior of a multi-storey stone-clad building with the words "Palais de Justice Moncton Law Courts". The inquest is being held at the Moncton courthouse. (Shane Magee/CBC)

Asked by Crown prosecutor Chris Titus whether anyone followed up with Hailey, given her history of visits, Little said there was no note indicating they did.

On Feb. 15, Hailey was back in and was experiencing "suicidal depression," said Little.

Again, she was triaged as Level 2, but was on "offload delay" in the hallway, waiting until a bed became available. "It's not comfortable to be in offload delay," said Little. After waiting more than four hours, she and her mother left.

No hospitalization questioned

Her counsellor, Stilwell, got emotional wondering if whether Hailey had been admitted to hospital during one of those visits could have made a difference.

She called Social Development at one point, she said, because the teen was "talking about self-harm a lot and running away and hurting herself."

Her mother "had taken her to the hospital and she would be admitted overnight sometimes but it was never a longer stay and I was concerned for her well-being," said Stilwell.

 "There were times I know Hailey was not a good space and I felt that maybe that was one thing that was not done that could help."

Dr. Brigitte Dandenault, a child and adolescent psychiatrist with Horizon, who saw Hailey at the ER three times as the psychiatrist on-call, said admitting a patient to hospital is not necessarily going to change their mood dysregulation.

Hospitalization only removes the stressors in their life temporarily, she said. "That doesn't make them any more capable two weeks later or a few weeks later to actually face those stressors."

To learn how to better cope takes therapy — and that takes time, she said.

Dandenault did not consider admitting Hailey because she was not suicidal at the time and had "a lot of services in place," including a psychiatrist and therapist.

Inquest resumes Wednesday

The inquest is scheduled to resume Wednesday at 9 a.m., when deputy chief coroner Michael Johnston is expected to give his instructions to the jury.

The five men and two women must determine who the deceased was, how, when, where, and by what means she came to her death.

The jury will also have the opportunity to make recommendations aimed at preventing deaths under similar circumstances.

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Inquest into girl's 2022 school-bus death hears from school, police, medical witnesses

Hailey Pierce, 13, died from injuries suffered on her way home from Dorchester Consolidated School

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A coroner's inquest into the death of a 13-year-old girl following a school-bus incident more than two years ago heard Monday how her school, police and her family doctor all tried to help her in the months leading up to her death.

The Department of Justice and Public Safety announced in September that it would hold an inquest into the death of Hailey Pierce, who died at the Moncton Hospital on April 13, 2022, from injuries she suffered on her way home from Dorchester Consolidated School the previous day.

Hailey was sitting with a friend at the back of the bus when she suddenly stood up, opened the back door and jumped out, the inquest heard.

Deputy chief coroner Michael Johnston and a jury made up of three men and two women are publicly hearing evidence from witnesses to determine the facts surrounding the teenager's death.

The jurors, selected Monday morning from 44 prospective jurors, will also have the opportunity to make recommendations aimed at preventing deaths under similar circumstances.

'There was a lot of people that she could turn to'

School principal June Leger told the Moncton courtroom Hailey "did struggle."

Usually it involved other students at the K-8 school, she said, without elaborating.

But the school provided special accommodations, including a quiet place Hailey could go if she was having a conflict with another student or was feeling overwhelmed.

A tight shot of the back door and emergency lights of a school bus. Hailey Pierce died after jumping from a moving bus, the inquest heard. (Justine Beaulieu-Poudrier/Radio-Canada)

Still, "when it comes to mental health, schools aren't always equipped to … help the students as much as they need," said Leger. So the school, which has about 100 pupils, applied to the province for a counsellor through the integrated service program.

Hailey also had a regular check-in meeting with her resource teacher and with the behaviour mentor assigned to her classroom, she said.

"So there was a lot of people that she could turn to," Leger said.

Everything the school could do for her, it was doing, she said.

Gave teacher thumbs up before boarding bus

Lisa Wells, who was the guidance and resource teacher at the time, testified she saw improvements in Hailey, that the teen who used to leave the school property regularly was instead using the tools provided.

"She would either identify to me or identify to her mom if she needed to talk to her [child and youth] counsellor," she said.

 "She would come to my space in the resource room a lot and just say, 'I just need a minute.' And I always gave her the option of, if she needed to talk or if she didn't need to talk."

Wells fought backtears when she recalled how Hailey came to her resource room on the day in question. "She didn't say there was any major issue that day or conflict or anything," she said.

Exterior of a multi-storey stone-clad building with the words "Palais de Justice Moncton Law Courts". The inquest is being held this week at the Moncton Law Courts. (Shane Magee/CBC)

When she saw her again, before Hailey got on the bus, Wells asked if she was still doing OK, and the teen gave her a thumbs up, she said.

Last visit with doctor 'positive'

Sackville Const. David Michael Monkman testified police responded to six calls involving Hailey in the six months before her death, all of which involved her wanting to hurt herself or being suicidal.

Police intervention ranged from bringing her home to family to having her transported by ambulance to hospital for further assessment, he said.

The interior of a school bus, from the rear. Nothing unusual happened on the school bus prior to Hailey opening the back emergency exit and jumping out, according to the driver. (Justine Beaulieu-Poudrier/Radio-Canada)

The latest call was just a month before the bus incident, said Monkman. Hailey left home on foot, was located and brought back to her parents, who took her to the hospital.

Dr. Bruno Chiasson, Hailey's family physician, said he noticed an increase in reports about the teen's visits to the emergency department and reports from the psychiatrist on-call around November 2021. He contacted her in January 2022 to make sure she was OK.

It was during the COVID-19 pandemic, so it was a phone visit, he said. A followup in February was also over the phone, but he met with her and her mother in person in March.

"From memory, I felt like the interaction went well," said Chiasson, whose mental health appointments usually last 15 to 30 minutes. "I had, like, kind of a positive feeling at the end of interaction with her."

There was nothing alarming or concerning, he said.

School bus driver recounts that day

Michael McIntyre, a school bus driver for the Anglophone East School District, said he was driving Hailey and 35 other students home from Dorchester Consolidated on April 12, 2022.

It was a normal day, he said. "Nothing that I would consider out of the ordinary."

Hailey, whom he described as very quiet and usually wearing earbuds, listening to music, was sitting in the back seat, on the passenger side.

McIntyre was driving along Woodlawn Road, travelling about 53 kilometres an hour, when he heard an alarm, indicating the emergency exit at the back of the bus was open. He looked in his rearview mirror, saw the door was open and pulled over.

McIntyre rushed to the back to see what was going on. A student told him Hailey had jumped from the bus, and McIntyre, seeing her on the road, called 911. 

school bus The back door of a school bus can be opened from the inside by lifting up on a handle. (Roger Cosman/CBC)

McIntyre, who performed CPR until first responders arrived, told the jury the emergency door can be opened from the inside by raising the handle to a vertical position.

It's designed to be easily opened by a child in case of an emergency, he said.

The bus underwent a mechanical inspection by the Department of Transportation and Public Safety and was deemed "fully operational," according Monkman, the RCMP officer.

The police investigation concluded no criminal act was involved, he said.

Severe traumatic brain injury

Coroner David Farrow determined Hailey's cause of death was severe traumatic brain injury and ruled it was a suicide. He did not perform an autopsy, he said, as the death occurred during the pandemic, and her family planned to donate her organs. He based his opinion on the medical information he received, he said.

Dr. Dhany Charest, a neurosurgeon at the Moncton Hospital, said he knew right away that Hailey's injuries were "most likely not survivable."

A wide-angle view of a large, red brick building. Hailey was admitted to the neuro intensive care unit at the Moncton Hospital after being stabilized at Sackville Memorial Hospital. (Guy LeBlanc/Radio-Canada)

Although she had been stabilized at the Sackville Hospital first before being transferred, which is critical, she had no signs of brain activity and early signs of brain swelling, he said.

Charest waited until morning to see if there was any improvement, but declared Hailey dead at 11:24 a.m., he said as her mother and other members of her family looked on from the front row of the courtroom.

Contagious smile

According to her obituary, she was "an amazing girl, full of life and was vibrantly colourful in all aspects of it."

"She enjoyed being physically active, being around horses and spending time with her grandparents and with her right-hand man and brother, Dexter.

"She had a smile that was contagious, a laugh that was intoxicating and she loved to make people laugh."

The community held a walk to honour her.

The New Brunswick Coroner Service is an independent fact-finding agency that may not make any finding of legal responsibility.

The inquest resumes Tuesday at 9 a.m. and is scheduled to continue until Friday.

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"Longtime Dorchester resident Reg Tower, a volunteer firefighter and first responder who arrived at the scene immediately after, said members of the southeastern New Brunswick community were initially worried about a deficiency with the bus. 

Tower, who is also president of the Greater Dorchester Moving Forward Co-operative, whose services include youth programming, said residents "thought that maybe there was something wrong with the bus ... but that just wasn't the case and quickly got resolved."

Tower said "it was an intentional exit" from the back of the bus. 

He said the students had a drill weeks before the incident, so they "would have understood how to exit the back door of that bus."

Tower said he met the girl through his work with the co-operative. He said she was "a beautiful girl that had lots of good things going for her [but] she seemed to be the last one to understand that."

 
 
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13-year-old girl dies of injuries suffered in school bus incident

Coroner's office investigating the incident

A 13-year-old girl who was injured in a school bus incident on Tuesday afternoon has died from her injuries, according to the RCMP.

The girl had been taken to hospital with life-threatening injuries after the incident on Woodlawn Road in Dorchester.

She died in hospital on Wednesday, said Cpl. Hans Ouellette, a spokeperson for the RCMP. 

The RCMP have answered few questions and say they will not explain what happened. 

Ouellette said police do not suspect "criminality to be a factor in the girl's death." 

"Considering this, we cannot comment any further on the details surrounding the incident in order to protect the privacy of those involved," said Ouellette. 

School officials have also said little about the incident. 

In a letter to parents, school principal June Leger said the district did not have any more information about what happened.

Woodlawn Road in Dorchester was closed for two hours after the incident on Tuesday. (Pierre Fornier/CBC)

When asked for an update on Thursday, a spokesperson for the school district said no further comment would be made.  

"Following the RCMP's investigation of the incident, there are no further actions to be pursued," wrote Stephanie Patterson in the emailed statement. "In the interest of respecting the privacy of those affected, we are unable to comment further."

She said Dorchester Consolidated School would remain open on Thursday for students and staff who want to meet with members of the education support services team. Parent-teacher appointments have been cancelled.

Ouellette referred further inquires to Anglophone East and to the Coroner Services.

Coroner's office investigating

A spokesperson for the Coroner's office said they are investigating the incident. 

Because it's an active investigation, Geoffrey Downey said he could not comment further.  

WorkSafeNB confirmed that it is not investigating the incident.

Robert Corkerton's children travel on the same school bus as the girl who died, but were not on the bus on Tuesday afternoon. 

Details of the incident will have to be looked at eventually, but now is not the time, said Corkerton, who is chair of the school's parent school support Committee and a member of Dorchester's village council. 

He said the focus at the moment should be on taking care of the students. 

"As a parent of a child on that bus, I'm not worried about the details right now," said Corkerton, whose son was a classmate of the girl who died. "I'm more thinking about our family, our community. That's where my concern is."

On Twitter on Thursday afternoon, the area's MLA, Megan Mitton, said her "heart is heavy to learn that the little girl has passed away … My sincere condolences to her family and to the Dorchester Consolidated School community. I know this is a difficult time for the whole Dorchester community."

Education and Early Childhood Development Minister Dominic Cardy also extended his condolences. 

"My thoughts are with everyone who has been affected by this tragedy. Counsellors will continue to provide assistance for students and staff," he wrote in an emailed statement.  

"As the school and community grieves over the loss, the department is working with the Emergency Response Team and the School Crisis Plan to ensure emotional and mental health supports continue to be available."

But he declined to provide any details about the incident "so as to protect the privacy of those affected and to respect the police investigation."

ABOUT THE AUTHOR

Mia Urquhart is a journalist with CBC New Brunswick, based in Saint John. She can be reached at mia.urquhart@cbc.ca.

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Coroner's office still investigating teen's death following school bus incident

13-year-old girl's family donated her organs

New Brunswick's Coroner Services is still investigating last week's death of a 13-year-old Dorchester girl who community members say fell from a moving school bus, but no decision has been made about calling an inquest.

The girl was on her way home from Dorchester Consolidated School on April 12 when the incident occurred. Police and school officials have released few details about what happened. 

Longtime Dorchester resident Reg Tower, a volunteer firefighter and first responder who arrived at the scene immediately after, said members of the southeastern New Brunswick community were initially worried about a deficiency with the bus. 

Tower, who is also president of the Greater Dorchester Moving Forward Co-operative, whose services include youth programming, said residents "thought that maybe there was something wrong with the bus ... but that just wasn't the case and quickly got resolved."

school bus The back door of a school bus can be opened from the inside by lifting up on a handle. (Roger Cosman/CBC)

Tower said "it was an intentional exit" from the back of the bus. 

He said the students had a drill weeks before the incident, so they "would have understood how to exit the back door of that bus."

On Monday, the community held a walk in honour of the teen. Tower estimates that nearly 100 people showed up. In a village of only about 1,000, Tower said it speaks volumes about the community support. 

Tower said he met the girl through his work with the co-operative. He said she was "a beautiful girl that had lots of good things going for her [but] she seemed to be the last one to understand that." 

He said the group plans to do something to keep the girl's memory alive in the community. 

Woodlawn Road in Dorchester was closed for two hours following the incident on April 12. (Pierre Fornier/CBC)

"We don't know exactly what we are going to do for — and with — [her] memory," Tower said. "But we are putting the wheels in motion to reach out to the community, the parents, the students to come up with that."

The teen's obituary described her as "an amazing girl, full of life and was vibrantly colourful in all aspects of it. She enjoyed being physically active, being around horses and spending time with her grandparents and with her right-hand man and brother, Dexter. She had a smile that was contagious, a laugh that was intoxicating and she loved to make people laugh."

Organ donor

Jessica Marr of Sussex is saddened by the girl's death but grateful for the decision of her family to donate her organs. 

Marr's 12-year-old daughter, Abby, received a kidney on April 15.

Abby is still recuperating at the IWK Health Centre in Halifax.

Marr said the girl's father, Duane Smith, has been in regular contact with her and hopes to meet Abby when she's back at home and feeling well enough for a visit. 

Authorities say little

On the day of the incident, RCMP say they were called to Woodlawn Road in Dorchester at about 2:45 p.m. They said a 13-year-old girl was taken to hospital with life-threatening injuries. She died in hospital the following day. 

When asked for an update on Tuesday, RCMP repeated their statement from last week that "criminality" is not suspected in the case. 

When the Department of Education was asked whether it is concerned about the safety of the bus involved in the incident, a spokesperson didn't directly answer the question. 

"We understand the impact events like this can have on a school's community," wrote Flavio Nienow in an email response.

"While we cannot speak to this specific situation, we can assure families that all our school buses are required to undergo robust inspections and quality assurance processes."

Note: An earlier version of this story identified the young person who died, but CBC has removed the child's name at the request of her mother. 

ABOUT THE AUTHOR

Mia Urquhart is a journalist with CBC New Brunswick, based in Saint John. She can be reached at mia.urquhart@cbc.ca.

CBC's Journalistic Standards and Practices
 
 
 
 

Coroner's inquest into girl's 2022 school-bus death underway in Moncton

Hailey Pierce, 13, died from injuries suffered on her way home from Dorchester Consolidated School

A coroner's inquest into the death of a 13-year-old girl following a school bus incident in Dorchester more than two years ago got underway at the Moncton courthouse Monday with jury selection.

The Department of Justice and Public Safety announced in September that it would hold an inquest into the death of Hailey Pierce, who died at the Moncton Hospital on April 13, 2022, as a result of injuries she suffered on her way home from Dorchester Consolidated School the previous day.

Deputy chief coroner Michael Johnston and a jury made up of three men and two women will publicly hear evidence from witnesses to determine the facts surrounding the teenager's death.

The jurors, selected from 44 prospective jurors, will also have the opportunity to make recommendations aimed at preventing deaths under similar circumstances.

At the time of Hailey's death, community members said she fell from the back of the school bus while it was moving.

Contagious smile

Members of Hailey's family are present for the proceedings, including her mother.

According to her obituary, she was "an amazing girl, full of life and was vibrantly colourful in all aspects of it."

"She enjoyed being physically active, being around horses and spending time with her grandparents and with her right-hand man and brother, Dexter.

"She had a smile that was contagious, a laugh that was intoxicating and she loved to make people laugh."

The community held a walk to honour her.

Her family donated her organs.

Exterior of a multi-storey stone-clad building with the words "Palais de Justice Moncton Law Courts". The inquest is being held this week at the Moncton Law Courts. (Shane Magee/CBC)

The New Brunswick Coroner Service is an independent fact-finding agency that may not make any finding of legal responsibility.

The inquest is scheduled to continue at the Moncton courthouse until Nov. 8.

A total of 200 people were summonsed for potential jury duty, said Department of Justice and Public Safety spokesperson Allan Dearing. Of those, 84 were excused prior to Monday, he said.

Potential jurors may be excused for a variety of reasons, including if they're 70 or older, if they suffer from "a physical, mental or other infirmity that is incompatible with the discharge of the duties of a juror," or if they provide care for a child under 14, a person who is "infirm or aged" or a person who is mentally incompetent.

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---------- Original message ----------
From: David Amos <david.raymond.amos333@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 26 May 2023 10:44:51 -0300
Subject: Re: The Department of Justice and Public Safety calls this an answer?
To: "Coroner (JPS/JSP)" <Coroner@gnb.ca>
Cc: "Austin, Hon. Kris (JPS/JSP)" <Kris.Austin@gnb.ca>, "Comeau, Mike
(JPS/JSP)" <Mike.Comeau@gnb.ca>, "Désalliers, Judy (ECO/BCE)"
<Judy.Desalliers@gnb.ca>, "Brander, Heather (JPS/JSP)"
<Heather.Brander@gnb.ca>, "Johnston, Michael (JPS/JSP)"
<Michael.Johnston@gnb.ca>, "Oram, George (JPS/JSP)"
<George.Oram@gnb.ca>, "Wetmore, Ross (LEG)" <Ross.Wetmore@gnb.ca>,
"rob.moore" <rob.moore@parl.gc.ca>, "Williamson, John"
<john.williamson@parl.gc.ca>, "Robert. Jones" <Robert.Jones@cbc.ca>,
"Bobbi-Jean.MacKinnon" <Bobbi-Jean.MacKinnon@cbc.ca>, "Michael.Duheme"
<Michael.Duheme@rcmp-grc.gc.ca>, "Marco.Mendicino"
<Marco.Mendicino@parl.gc.ca>, mcu <mcu@justice.gc.ca>, "Bill.Blair"
<Bill.Blair@parl.gc.ca>

The Provincial Archives would do nothing for me in 2015 before I sued the Queen

On 5/26/23, Coroner (JPS/JSP) <Coroner@gnb.ca> wrote:
> Hi David:
>
> I am sorry that you are struggling to obtain the documents that you are
> looking for. I understand that you are frustrated and I wish that we were in
> a position to obtain records for you.
>
> Under legislation, documents older than seven years are sent to archives and
> they become the custodians of those records. Because of this, it is
> important that you reach out to the Provincial Archives with your request.
> They can be reached at (506) 453-2122.
>
> I am very sorry if this information was not provided to you previously; I am
> sure Pat had hoped to be able to assist even though we no longer hold the
> records you are seeking.
>
> I hope you are successful in finding what you seek.
>
> Best wishes,
> Heather
>
>
> Heather Brander
> Chief Coroner
> Coroner Services
> Department of Justice & Public Safety
> 12 McGloin Street, Fredericton, New Brunswick, E3A 5T8
>
> Phone: (506) 453-3604
>
> Email : heather.brander@gnb.ca
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: David Amos <david.raymond.amos333@gmail.com>
> Sent: Friday, May 26, 2023 9:40 AM
> To: Austin, Hon. Kris (JPS/JSP) <Kris.Austin@gnb.ca>; Comeau, Mike (JPS/JSP)
> <Mike.Comeau@gnb.ca>; Désalliers, Judy (ECO/BCE) <Judy.Desalliers@gnb.ca>;
> Brander, Heather (JPS/JSP) <Heather.Brander@gnb.ca>; Coroner (JPS/JSP)
> <Coroner@gnb.ca>; Johnston, Michael (JPS/JSP) <Michael.Johnston@gnb.ca>;
> Oram, George (JPS/JSP) <George.Oram@gnb.ca>; Wetmore, Ross (LEG)
> <Ross.Wetmore@gnb.ca>; rob.moore <rob.moore@parl.gc.ca>; Williamson, John
> <john.williamson@parl.gc.ca>; Robert. Jones <Robert.Jones@cbc.ca>;
> Bobbi-Jean.MacKinnon <Bobbi-Jean.MacKinnon@cbc.ca>
> Cc: Michael.Duheme <Michael.Duheme@rcmp-grc.gc.ca>; Marco.Mendicino
> <Marco.Mendicino@parl.gc.ca>; mcu <mcu@justice.gc.ca>; Bill.Blair
> <Bill.Blair@parl.gc.ca>
> Subject: The Department of Justice and Public Safety calls this an answer?
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: "Coroner (JPS/JSP)" <Coroner@gnb.ca>
> Date: Fri, 26 May 2023 11:34:37 +0000
> Subject: RE: Why can't the Department of Justice and Public Safety
> find the PUBLIC records of the coroner's inquest that was held in
> Higgy's neighbourhood in July of 1982?
> To: David Amos <david.raymond.amos333@gmail.com>
>
> Hi David,
>
> We are presently pre-occupied by the other 20+ inquests that we have
> coming up this year.
> I was in grade 2 in 1982 so I'm afraid I can't answer this question for
> you.
> Pat is retired now and exhausted all the possible avenues she could
> have to gain some insight on this.
>
> As I said, we are extremely busy trying to prevent future unnecessary
> deaths so that is where our energy is focused at this time.
>
> I am sorry we couldn’t be of more help.
>
> Regards,
>
> Andrea
>
>
>
> Andrea Mather
>
> Administrative Assistant / Adjointe Administrative
> Coroner Services / Services des coroners
> Department of Justice & Public Safety / Ministère de la Justice et
> Sécurité publique
>
> Phone: (506) 453-3604
> Fax :     (506) 453-7124
>
> Coroner Services,
> 12 McGloin Street,
> Fredericton, E3A 5T8,
> New Brunswick
>
> http://www.gnb.ca/coroner
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: David Amos <david.raymond.amos333@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 26 May 2023 00:12:00 -0300
Subject: Why can't the Department of Justice and Public Safety find
the PUBLIC records of the coroner's inquest that was held in Higgy's
neighbourhood in July of 1982?
To: "kris.austin" <kris.austin@gnb.ca>, "michael.comeau"
<michael.comeau@gnb.ca>, judy.desalliers@gnb.ca,
Heather.Brander@gnb.ca, coroner@gnb.ca, michael.johnston@gnb.ca,
"george.oram" <george.oram@gnb.ca>, "Ross.Wetmore"
<Ross.Wetmore@gnb.ca>, "rob.moore" <rob.moore@parl.gc.ca>,
"John.Williamson" <John.Williamson@parl.gc.ca>, "Robert. Jones"
<Robert.Jones@cbc.ca>, "Bobbi-Jean.MacKinnon"
<Bobbi-Jean.MacKinnon@cbc.ca>
Cc: "Michael.Duheme" <Michael.Duheme@rcmp-grc.gc.ca>,
"Marco.Mendicino" <Marco.Mendicino@parl.gc.ca>, mcu
<mcu@justice.gc.ca>, "Bill.Blair" <Bill.Blair@parl.gc.ca>

https://davidraymondamos3.blogspot.com/2023/05/inquest-announced-into-death-of-former.html

Tuesday, 23 May 2023

Inquest announced into death of former diplomat in Fredericton ER waiting room


---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: David Amos <david.raymond.amos333@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2021 22:51:31 -0300
Subject: Hey Senator Larry W. Campbell how is your conscience doing tonight?
To: Larry.Campbell@sen.parl.gc.ca, "Brenda.Lucki"
<Brenda.Lucki@rcmp-grc.gc.ca>, "Bill.Blair" <Bill.Blair@parl.gc.ca>
Cc: motomaniac333 <motomaniac333@gmail.com>


---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: David Amos <david.raymond.amos333@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2021 16:57:26 -0300
Subject: Re: Inquest Pat check out the top paragraph of page 3 in my
letter to the RCMP Boss
To: "Dickinson, Pat (JPS/JSP)" <Pat.Dickinson@gnb.ca>

On 7/8/21, Dickinson, Pat (JPS/JSP) <Pat.Dickinson@gnb.ca> wrote:
> David, I just checked our annual report for 1982.  All inquests held that
> year were mentioned but not this one.
>
> To me, this does not make sense as the paper specifically states "Coroner's
> Inquest".
>
> Pat
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dickinson, Pat (JPS/JSP)
> Sent: Thursday, July 8, 2021 3:10 PM
> To: David Amos <david.raymond.amos333@gmail.com>
> Subject: RE: Hi
>
> David, I checked our Records that were sent to Provincial Archives.  We have
> a list of all inquest information that was sent there and Silliphant's name
> was not on the list for 1982.  I also checked the previous years and
> following years and there was no mention of a Silliphant.
>
> Pat
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: David Amos <david.raymond.amos333@gmail.com>
> Sent: Thursday, July 8, 2021 2:19 PM
> To: Dickinson, Pat (JPS/JSP) <Pat.Dickinson@gnb.ca>
> Subject: Re: Hi
>
> ATTENTION! External email / courriel externe.
>
> On 7/8/21, Dickinson, Pat (JPS/JSP) <Pat.Dickinson@gnb.ca> wrote:
>> HI
>>
>>
>> [Pat Dickinson (Mrs.) Signature December 2020]
>>
>>
>



---------- Original message ----------
From: "Campbell, Larry W" <Larry.Campbell@sen.parl.gc.ca>
Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2021 00:54:43 +0000
Subject: Re: YO Clint Richardson Methinks your gal pal Deanna Spingola
should tell you why I declined the offer to speak her show over 11
years ago Nesy Pas?
To: David Amos <david.raymond.amos333@gmail.com>

Go bother someone else. I don’t need your rantings.

Sent from my iPhone




---------- Original message ----------
From: "Campbell, Larry W" <Larry.Campbell@sen.parl.gc.ca>
Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2019 20:19:28 +0000
Subject: Re: YO Larry Campbell I just called to say Shame on You and
your buddies in the RCMP
To: David Amos <motomaniac333@gmail.com>
Cc: "Larry.Tremblay" <Larry.Tremblay@rcmp-grc.gc.ca>, "Gilles.Blinn"
<Gilles.Blinn@rcmp-grc.gc.ca>, David Amos
<david.raymond.amos333@gmail.com>, oldmaison <oldmaison@yahoo.com>,
andre <andre@jafaust.com>, Newsroom <Newsroom@globeandmail.com>

Yo David Amos. Go bother someone else and seek help for your obvious
problems. No reply necessary.

Sent from my iPhone


Senator Larry W. Campbell

    Province: British Columbia (British Columbia)
    Affiliation: Canadian Senators Group
    Telephone: 613-995-4050
    Email: larry.campbell@sen.parl.gc.ca  vCard
    Staff: Ross, Pam
    Personal Website: http://larrycampbell.ca/


Biography

Born and raised in Brantford, Ontario, Campbell became a steelworker
in Hamilton in the 1960s. In his first career move, he joined the
Royal Canadian Mounted Police and was transferred to Vancouver in
1969, later joining the RCMP drug squad in 1973.

After more than a decade with the RCMP, Campbell transitioned into
death investigation, establishing Vancouver’s first District Coroner’s
Office in 1981 and becoming the Chief Coroner for British Columbia in
1996. In this capacity, he became the inspiration behind the popular
CBC drama Da Vinci’s Inquest, as well as its spin-off, Da Vinci’s City
Hall.

In 2002 he was elected Mayor by the citizens of Vancouver under the
banner of the Coalition of Progressive Electors (COPE). Mayor Campbell
spearheaded the approval and establishment of North America’s first
legal safe injection site and continued to champion the Four Pillars
Drug strategy. In addition to drug and crime prevention, he was also
instrumental in the successful Vancouver bid to host the 2010 Winter
Olympic and Paralympic Games; and the redevelopment of the Woodlands
site.

In August 2005, Campbell was summoned to the Senate of Canada by Prime
Minister Paul Martin. As a Senator, Campbell has continued his work on
drug policy, mental health, and aboriginal issues.

In 2009, Campbell co-authored a book titled A Thousand Dreams:
Vancouver's Downtown Eastside and the Fight for its Future with Neil
Boyd and Lori Culbert.

He holds a Master’s Degree in Business Administration (MBA) from City
University in Vancouver.


---------- Original message ----------
From: "Campbell, Larry W" <Larry.Campbell@sen.parl.gc.ca>
Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2019 14:17:49 +0000
Subject: Re: YO David Freiheit did I mention that I know Julian Assange???
To: David Amos <david.raymond.amos333@gmail.com>

Take me off this list.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 19, 2019, at 4:08 AM, David Amos <david.raymond.amos333@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I put this video up in March of 2010 in my long gone YouTube channel
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2PMvx8HZW0
>
> The Ides of March 2010 for Al Jazeera Iceland WikiLeaks Zionists vs Mean Old Me
> 304 views
>
> David Amos
> Published on Apr 1, 2013
>
>
> From: "David Amos"
> To: "Julian Assange)"
> Cc:"Dan Fitzgerald" danf@danf.net Byrne.G@parl.gc.ca
> Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2010 8:35 PM
>
> Subject: Re: Al Jazeera on Iceland's new plan Thanx Here is something
> about Iceland and Banksters Al Jazeera would enjoy
>
> Checkout this old pdf file from 2005 at about page two or three
>
> http://www.scribd.com/doc/4304560/Spe...
>
> Then read on and chuckle
>
>
>
> From: "Julian Assange)" editor@wikileaks.org
> To: david.raymond.amos@gmail.com
> Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2010 3:15 PM
> Subject: Al Jazeera on Iceland's plan for a press safe haven
>
> FYI: Al-Jazeera's take on Iceland's proposed media safe haven
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZbGiPj...
>
> More info http://immi.is/
>
> Julian Assange
>
> Editor
>
> WikiLeaks
>
> http://wikileaks.org//
>
>
>
> From: postur@fjr.stjr.is
> Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 15:06:39 +0000
> Subject: Re: RE: Iceland and Bankers etc I must ask the obvious
> question. Why have you people ignored me for three years?
> To: David Amos david.raymond.amos@gmail.com
>
>
> Dear David Amos
>
> Unfortunately there has been a considerable delay in responding to
> incoming letters due to heavy workload and many inquiries to our office.
>
> We appreciate the issue raised in your letter. We have set up a web site
> www.iceland.org where we have gathered various practical information
> regarding the economic crisis in Iceland.
>
> Greetings from the Ministry of Finance.
>
>
> Tilvísun í mál: FJR08100024
>
>
>
> From: David Amos david.raymond.amos@gmail.com
> Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 13:57:55 -0300
> Subject: Re: Regarding your enquiry to the Prime Ministry of Iceland
> To: postur@for.stjr.is
>
>
> Thanx
>
>
> On 10/8/08, postur@for.stjr.is postur@for.stjr.is wrote:
>
> David Raymond Amos
>
> Your enquiry has been received by the Prime Ministry of Iceland and
> waits attendance.
>
> Thank you.
>
>
> From: Birgitta Jonsdottir birgittajoy@gmail.com
> Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 07:14:02 +0000
> Subject: Re: Bon Soir Birgitta according to my records this is the
> first email I ever sent you
> To: David Amos david.raymond.amos@gmail.com
>
> dear Dave
>
> i have got your email and will read through the links as soon as i
> find some time keep up the good fight in the meantime
>
> thank you for bearing with me
> i am literary drowning in requests to look into all sorts of matters
> and at the same time working 150% work at the parliament and
>
> the creation of a political movement and being a responsible parent:)
> plus all the matters in relation to immi
>
> with oceans of joy
> birgitta
>
>
> http://qslspolitics.blogspot.ca/2009/...
>
>
>
> From: david.raymond.amos@gmail.com
> Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 11:34:40 -0300
> Subject: Fwd: USANYS-MADOFF AND IMPORTANT INFORMATION FROM US
> ATTORNEY'S OFFICE SDNY
> To: frank.pingue@thomsonreuters.com,
> johanna.sigurdardottir@fel.stjr.is, postur@for.stjr.is, aih@cbc.ca,
> Milliken.P@parl.gc.ca, sjs@althingi.is, emb.ottawa@mfa.is,
> rmellish@pattersonlaw.ca, irisbirgisdottir@yahoo.ca,
> grant.mccool@thomsonreuters.com, juan.lagorio@thomsonreuters.com,
> "Robert. Jones" Robert.Jones@cbc.ca, marie@mariemorneau.com,
> dfranklin@franklinlegal.com, egilla@althingi.is,
> william.turner@exsultate.ca, klm@althingi.is, mail@fjr.stjr.is,
> Edith.Cody-Rice@cbc.ca, wendy.williams@landsbanki.is,
> cdhowe@cdhowe.org, desparois.sylviane@fcac.gc.ca, plee@stu.ca,
> jonina.s.larusdottir@ivr.stjr.is, fyrirspurn@fme.is, audur@audur.is,
> fme@fme.is, info@landsbanki.is, sedlabanki@sedlabanki.is, tif@tif.is
> Cc: rfowlo@comcast.net, jmullen@townofmilton.org, webo@xplornet.com,
> t.j.burke@gnb.ca, oldmaison@yahoo.com, Dan Fitzgerald danf@danf.net,
> "spinks08@hotmail.com" spinks08@hotmail.com, gypsy-blog
> gypsy-blog@hotmail.com, "nb. premier" nb.premier@gmail.com, nbpolitico
> nbpolitico@gmail.com, "bruce.fitch" bruce.fitch@gnb.ca, "bruce.alec"
> bruce.alec@gmail.com
>
> I know that the Yankee law enforcement people are either as dumb as
> posts or pure evil. There appears to be few exceptions. The ethical
> Ms. Olson is my favourite klady today. Does anyone speaking or acting
> in the best interests of the decent folks in Iceland understand my
> sincerity and her Integrity YET?
>
> Veritas Vincit
>
> David Raymond Amos
>
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPIrMJNJDkk
>
> Julian Assange Arrested - What's Next? Viva Frei Vlawg
> 4,915 views
> Viva Frei
> Published on Apr 12, 2019
> April 11, 2019 will be a day that many people remember as the day
> Julian Assange was arrested by British authorities after spending 7
> years in asylum in the Ecuadorian embassy in London. The question is
> how this happened, and what will happen next. Here is my vlawg
> breakdown. Enjoy! And be sure to like, share, comment and subscribe!
> Peace!
>
>
>



---------- Original message ----------
From: Brenda Lucki <brenda.lucki@rcmp-grc.gc.ca>
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2018 17:20:25 -0400
Subject: Re: David Coon and his buddy Chucky Leblanc know Attorney
General Serge Rousselle told the CBC political panel the topic should
not be discussed.because I am about to put my matter before the
Supreme Court (Transferred - Mutation à Ottawa)
To: David Amos <motomaniac333@gmail.com>

Bonjour - Hello

I am currently in the midst of transferring to Ottawa, and will be
checking my e-mails periodically.  If you require assistance in regards
to Depot, please contact Cpl. Roshan Pinto at 639-625-3577 or Nicole
Yandon at 639-625-3066. If you require anything in regards to the
Commissioner' office, please contact Angie Boucher at 613-8436183 or
Brigitte Voitel 613-843-4590.

Je suis actuellement en train de préparer ma mutation à Ottawa; je
vérifierai mes courriels à l'occasion. Pour toute demande urgente
concernant la Division Dépôt, veuillez communiquer avec le cap. Roshan
Pinto au 639-625-3577 ou avec Nicole Yandon au 639-625-3066. Pour toute
demande en lien au bureau du commissaire, veuillez communiquer avec
Angie Boucher au 613-8436183 ou avec Brigitte Voitel au 613-843-4590.

Brenda

>>> David Amos <motomaniac333@gmail.com> 04/13/18 15:20 >>>

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/collins-allegations-harassment-policy-legislature-1.4617208

New harassment policy in works after allegations against Speaker
Legislative administration committee is setting up sub-group to write
policy, says David Coon
CBC News · Posted: Apr 12, 2018 7:53 PM AT |

The CBC Political Panel discussed the harassment allegations against
Speaker Chris Collins. Details about the allegations have not been
made public. (CBC News)

Listen to the full CBC New Brunswick Political Panel podcast by
downloading from the CBC Podcast page or subscribing to the podcast in
iTunes.

Members of the legislative administration committee want a more robust
harassment policy specifically for the legislature, according to Green
Party Leader David Coon.

A sub-group of the committee is drafting a new policy, which "will go
above and beyond the workplace harassment policy for general
government," Coon, a member of the committee, said during the CBC New
Brunswick Political Panel podcast this week.

    Speaker Collins to fight 'politically driven' harassment allegation

    Mystery swirls around who will run for Liberals in Moncton Centre

The decision follows harassment allegations revealed last week by
Premier Brian Gallant against Speaker Chris Collins.

Gallant suspended the Moncton Centre MLA from caucus over a complaint
he harassed a former employee of the legislative assembly.

Collins, who was planning to run in the September provincial election,
will fight the allegations, according to his lawyer, T.J. Burke.
Political Panel: April 12 Edition
00:00 34:42
This weeks political panel with Terry Seguin discusses the allegations
of harassment against Chris Collins. 34:42
Filling policy gaps

The legislative administration committee has agreed the clerk of the
legislature will select an independent investigator to examine the
complaint. It has also begun work to clarify issues with the
harassment policy with respect to the allegations against the Speaker.

"The decision to do that reflects that there was a gap at the
legislative assembly," Coon said.

The Liberals were criticized by opposition panel members for their
response to the complaint. Four of the five panellists said the
government failed to follow the existing harassment policy in not
taking action when it learned there might be a complaint.

Green Party Leader David Coon says the legislative administration
committee is going to draft a new harassment policy. (CBC News)

Gallant learned of a possible complaint in February but has said his
office couldn't act until the official complaint was filed April 5.

But the Progressive Conservatives were quick to point to the policy
that says senior officials must take action about harassment "whether
or not a complaint is filed."

PC member Ted Flemming said on the panel that he was pleased to see an
independent investigation because he doesn't trust the executive
branch to get to the bottom of it.

There is a pattern of shrouding the truth, said the MLA, pointing to
scandals such as Atcon and inflated property taxes.

"We're not able to get thNDP Leader Jennifer McKenzie took exception
to Flemming's comparisons,
saying the process should be followed and communicated clearly to the
public and shouldn't be politicized.

McKenzie said the rights of both Collins and the complainant should be
respected and due process given.
Speaker Chris Collins says he'll fight the harassment allegations. (CBC)

People's Alliance Leader Kris Austin said time is of a factor with the
investigation since it's an election year and Collins was committed to
running. Austin pitched a 60-day deadline for the investigation.

Gallant has said Collins could not run as a Liberal candidate while
suspended from caucus.
Rousselle responds

Attorney General Serge Rousselle told the panel the topic should not
be discussed. He said the harassment policy is being followed and it
would be "inappropriate" to comment on the matter during the
investigation.

Attorney General Serge Rousselle says the Collins case shouldn't be
discussed while an investigation is underway. (CBC News)

Rousselle also dismissed calls for a full inquiry.

"It could jeopardize the confidentiality of this process and
discourage other people from coming forward with their own complaints
for the fear of publicity that would follow," he said.

He said it's the government's understanding the complainant does not
want a full inquiry either.

---------- Original message ----------
From: David Amos <motomaniac333@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2018 12:24:24 -0400
Subject: Re: Attn Sergeant-at-Arms Gilles Cote (506) 453-2527 I just
called AGAIN
To: Gilles.Cote@gnb.ca, "dan. bussieres" <dan.bussieres@gnb.ca>,
"Michael.Duheme" <Michael.Duheme@rcmp-grc.gc.ca>, "brian.gallant"
<brian.gallant@gnb.ca>, "David.Coon" <David.Coon@gnb.ca>,
"blaine.higgs" <blaine.higgs@gnb.ca>, "Armitage, Blair"
<blair.armitage@sen.parl.gc.ca>, premier <premier@gnb.ca>, premier
<premier@gov.pe.ca>, PREMIER <PREMIER@gov.ns.ca>, premier
<premier@ontario.ca>, "premier.ministre"
<premier.ministre@cex.gouv.qc.ca>, premier <premier@gov.bc.ca>,
premier <premier@gov.ab.ca>, premier <premier@gov.sk.ca>, premier
<premier@gov.nl.ca>, premier <premier@leg.gov.mb.ca>, "Larry.Tremblay"
<Larry.Tremblay@rcmp-grc.gc.ca>, "martin.gaudet"
<martin.gaudet@fredericton.ca>, "Jonathan.Vance"
<Jonathan.Vance@forces.gc.ca>, "Tim.RICHARDSON"
<Tim.RICHARDSON@gnb.ca>, info <info@gg.ca>, "serge.rousselle"
<serge.rousselle@gnb.ca>, "denis.landry2" <denis.landry2@gnb.ca>,
"Stephen.Horsman" <Stephen.Horsman@gnb.ca>
Cc: David Amos <david.raymond.amos@gmail.com>, "hon.ralph.goodale"
<hon.ralph.goodale@canada.ca>, "jan.jensen"
<jan.jensen@justice.gc.ca>, "Nathalie.Drouin"
<Nathalie.Drouin@justice.gc.ca>

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: David Amos <motomaniac333@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2018 09:59:24 -0400
Subject: Fwd: So what does Premier Gallant and Minister Doucet et al
think of my lawsuit? How about David Coon and his blogging buddy
Chucky joking about being illegally barred from parliamentary property
To: Ernie.Steeves@gnb.ca, Sherry.Wilson@gnb.ca,
Keirstead.Brian@gnb.ca, "Ross.Wetmore" <Ross.Wetmore@gnb.ca>,
Gary.Crossman@gnb.ca, Glen.Savoie@gnb.ca, Trevor.Holder@gnb.ca,
Dorothy.Shephard@gnb.ca, Ed.Doherty@gnb.ca, Bill.Oliver@gnb.ca,
John.Ames@gnb.ca, "michael.bray" <michael.bray@fosterandcompany.com>,
Jody.Carr@gnb.ca, Pam.Lynch@gnb.ca, Jeff.Carr@gnb.ca,
Carl.Urquhart@gnb.ca, Stewart.Fairgrieve@gnb.ca, Andrew.Harvey@gnb.ca,
Chuck.Chiasson@gnb.ca, Madeleine.Dube@gnb.ca, Francine.Landry@gnb.ca
Cc: David Amos <david.raymond.amos@gmail.com>, "dan. bussieres"
<dan.bussieres@gnb.ca>, "brian.gallant" <brian.gallant@gnb.ca>,
"Dominic.Cardy" <Dominic.Cardy@gnb.ca>, oldmaison
<oldmaison@yahoo.com>, andre <andre@jafaust.com>, tj <tj@burkelaw.ca>,
"chris.collins" <chris.collins@gnb.ca>, "David.Coon"
<David.Coon@gnb.ca>

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: "Gallant, Premier Brian (PO/CPM)" <Brian.Gallant@gnb.ca>
Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2016 17:05:07 +0000
Subject: RE: So what does Premier Gallant anthink of my lawsuit? How
about David Coon and his blogging buddy
Chucky joking about being illegally barred from parliamentary property
To: David Amos <motomaniac333@gmail.com>

Thank you for writing to the Premier of New Brunswick.
Please be assured that your email has been received, will be reviewed,
and a response will be forthcoming.
Once again, thank you for taking the time to write.

Merci d'avoir communiqué avec le premier ministre du Nouveau-Brunswick.
Soyez assuré que votre courriel a bien été reçu, qu'il sera examiné
et qu'une réponse vous sera acheminée.
Merci encore d'avoir pris de temps de nous écrire.

Sincerely, / Sincèrement,
Mallory Fowler
Correspondence Manager / Gestionnaire de la correspondance
Office of the Premier / Cabinet du premier ministre


On 1/19/18, David Amos <motomaniac333@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: David Amos motomaniac333@gmail.com
>> Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2017 09:32:09 -0400
>> Subject: Attn Integrity Commissioner Alexandre Deschênes, Q.C.,
>> To: coi@gnb.ca
>> Cc: david.raymond.amos@gmail.com
>>
>> Good Day Sir
>>
>> After I heard you speak on CBC I called your office again and managed
>> to speak to one of your staff for the first time
>>
>> Please find attached the documents I promised to send to the lady who
>> answered the phone this morning. Please notice that not after the Sgt
>> at Arms took the documents destined to your office his pal Tanker
>> Malley barred me in writing with an "English" only document.
>>
>> These are the hearings and the dockets in Federal Court that I
>> suggested that you study closely.
>>
>> This is the docket in Federal Court
>>
>>
http://cas-cdc-www02.cas-satj.gc.ca/IndexingQueries/infp_RE_info_e.php?court_no=T-1557-15&select_court=T
>>
>> These are digital recordings of  the last three hearings
>>
>> Dec 14th https://archive.org/details/BahHumbug
>>
>> January 11th, 2016 https://archive.org/details/Jan11th2015
>>
>> April 3rd, 2017
>>
>> https://archive.org/details/April32017JusticeLeblancHearing
>>
>>
>> This is the docket in the Federal Court of Appeal
>>
>>
http://cas-cdc-www02.cas-satj.gc.ca/IndexingQueries/infp_RE_info_e.php?court_no=A-48-16&select_court=All
>>
>>
>> The only hearing thus far
>>
>> May 24th, 2017
>>
>> https://archive.org/details/May24thHoedown
>>
>>
>> This Judge understnds the meaning of the word Integrity
>>
>> Date: 20151223
>>
>> Docket: T-1557-15
>>
>> Fredericton, New Brunswick, December 23, 2015
>>
>> PRESENT:        The Honourable Mr. Justice Bell
>>
>> BETWEEN:
>>
>> DAVID RAYMOND AMOS
>>
>> Plaintiff
>>
>> and
>>
>> HER MAJESTY THE QUEEN
>>
>> Defendant
>>
>> ORDER
>>
>> (Delivered orally from the Bench in Fredericton, New Brunswick, on
>> December 14, 2015)
>>
>> The Plaintiff seeks an appeal de novo, by way of motion pursuant to
>> the Federal Courts Rules (SOR/98-106), from an Order made on November
>> 12, 2015, in which Prothonotary Morneau struck the Statement of Claim
>> in its entirety.
>>
>> At the outset of the hearing, the Plaintiff brought to my attention a
>> letter dated September 10, 2004, which he sent to me, in my then
>> capacity as Past President of the New Brunswick Branch of the
Canadian
>> Bar Association, and the then President of the Branch, Kathleen
Quigg,
>> (now a Justice of the New Brunswick Court of Appeal).  In that letter
>> he stated:
>>
>> As for your past President, Mr. Bell, may I suggest that you check
the
>> work of Frank McKenna before I sue your entire law firm including
you.
>> You are your brother’s keeper.
>>
>> Frank McKenna is the former Premier of New Brunswick and a former
>> colleague of mine at the law firm of McInnes Cooper. In addition to
>> expressing an intention to sue me, the Plaintiff refers to a number
of
>> people in his Motion Record who he appears to contend may be
witnesses
>> or potential parties to be added. Those individuals who are known to
>> me personally, include, but are not limited to the former Prime
>> Minister of Canada, The Right Hon>> Queen’s Bench, Vic Toews; former member of Parliament Rob Moore;
>> former Director of Policing Services, the late Grant Garneau; former
>> Chief of the Fredericton Police Force, Barry McKnight; former Staff
>> Sergeant Danny Copp; my former colleagues on the New Brunswick Court
>> of Appeal, Justices Bradley V. Green and Kathleen Quigg, and, retired
>> Assistant Commissioner Wayne Lang of the Royal Canadian Mounted
>> Police.
>>
>> In the circumstances, given the threat in 2004 to sue me in my
>> personal capacity and my past and present relationship with many
>> potential witnesses and/or potential parties to the litigation, I am
>> of the view there would be a reasonable apprehension of bias should I
>> hear this motion. See Justice de Grandpré’s dissenting judgment in
>> Committee for Justice and Liberty et al v National Energy Board et
al,
>> [1978] 1 SCR 369 at p 394 for the applicable test regarding
>> allegations of bias. In the circumstances, although neither party has
>> requested I recuse myself, I consider it appropriate that I do so.
>>
>>
>> AS A RESULT OF MY RECUSAL, THIS COURT ORDERS that the Administrator
of
>> the Court schedule another date for the hearing of the motion.  There
>> is no order as to costs.
>>
>> “B. Richard Bell”
>> Judge
>>
>>
>> Below after the CBC article about your concerns (I made one comment
>> already) you will find the text of just two of many emails I had sent
>> to your office over the years since I first visited it in 2006.
>>
>>  I noticed that on July 30, 2009, he was appointed to the  the Court
>> Martial Appeal Court of Canada  Perhaps you should scroll to the
>> bottom of this email ASAP and read the entire Paragraph 83  of my
>> lawsuit now before the Federal Court of Canada?
>>
>> "FYI This is the text of the lawsuit that should interest Trudeau the
>> most
>>
>>
>> ---------- Original message ----------
>> From: justin.trudeau.a1@parl.gc.ca
>> Date: Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 8:18 PM
>> Subject: Réponse automatique : RE My complaint against the CROWN in
>> Federal Court Attn David Hansen and Peter MacKay If you planning to
>> submit a motion for a publication ban on my complaint trust that you
>> dudes are way past too late
>> To: david.raymond.amos@gmail.com
>>
>> Veuillez noter que j'ai changé de courriel. Vous pouvez me rejoindre à
>> lalanthier@hotmail.com
>>
>> Pour rejoindre le bureau de M. Trudeau veuillez envoyer un courriel à
>> tommy.desfosses@parl.gc.ca
>>
>> Please note that I changed email address, you can reach me at
>> lalanthier@hotmail.com
>>
>> To reach the office of Mr. Trudeau please send an email to
>> tommy.desfosses@parl.gc.ca
>>
>> Thank you,
>>
>> Merci ,
>>
>>
>>
http://davidraymondamos3.blogspot.ca/2015/09/v-behaviorurldefaultvmlo.html
>>
>>
>> 83.  The Plaintiff states that now that Canada is involved in more
war
>> in Iraq again it did not serve Canadian interests and reputation to
>> allow Barry Winters to publish the following words three times over
>> five years after he began his bragging:
>>
>> January 13, 2015
>> This Is Just AS Relevant Now As When I wrote It During The Debate
>>
>> December 8, 2014
>> Why Canada Stood Tall!
>>
>> Friday, October 3, 2014
>> Little David Amos’ “True History Of War” Canadian Airstrikes And
>> Stupid Justin Trudeau
>>
>> Canada’s and Canadians free ride is over. Canada can no longer hide
>> behind Amerka’s and NATO’s skirts.
>>
>> When I was still in Canadian Forces then Prime Minister Jean Chretien
>> actually committed the Canadian Army to deploy in the second campaign
>> in Iraq, the Coalition of the Willing. This was against or contrary
to
>> the wisdom or advice of those of us Canadian officers that were
>> involved in the initial planning phases of that operation. There were
>> significant concern in our planning cell, and NDHQ about of the
dearth
>> of concern for operational guidance, direction, and forces for
>> operations after the initial occupation of Iraq. At the “>> Prime Minister Chretien and the Liberal government changed its mind.
>> The Canadian government told our amerkan cousins that we would not
>> deploy combat troops for the Iraq campaign, but would deploy a
>> Canadian Battle Group to Afghanistan, enabling our amerkan cousins to
>> redeploy troops from there to Iraq. The PMO’s thinking that it was
>> less costly to deploy Canadian Forces to Afghanistan than Iraq. But
>> alas no one seems to remind the Liberals of Prime Minister Chretien’s
>> then grossly incorrect assumption. Notwithstanding Jean Chretien’s
>> incompetence and stupidity, the Canadian Army was heroic,
>> professional, punched well above it’s weight, and the PPCLI Battle
>> Group, is credited with “saving Afghanistan” during the Panjway
>> campaign of 2006.
>>
>> What Justin Trudeau and the Liberals don’t tell you now, is that then
>> Liberal Prime Minister Jean Chretien committed, and deployed the
>> Canadian army to Canada’s longest “war” without the advice, consent,
>> support, or vote of the Canadian Parliament.
>>
>> What David Amos and the rest of the ignorant, uneducated, and
babbling
>> chattering classes are too addled to understand is the deployment of
>> less than 75 special operations troops, and what is known by planners
>> as a “six pac cell” of fighter aircraft is NOT the same as a
>> deployment of a Battle Group, nor a “war” make.
>>
>> The Canadian Government or The Crown unlike our amerkan cousins have
>> the “constitutional authority” to commit the Canadian nation to war.
>> That has been recently clearly articulated to the Canadian public by
>> constitutional scholar Phillippe Legasse. What Parliament can do is
>> remove “confidence” in The Crown’s Government in a “vote of
>> non-confidence.” That could not happen to the Chretien Government
>> regarding deployment to Afghanistan, and it won’t happen in this
>> instance with the conservative majority in The Commons regarding a
>> limited Canadian deployment to the Middle East.
>>
>> President George Bush was quite correct after 911 and the terror
>> attacks in New York; that the Taliban “occupied” and “failed state”
>> Afghanistan was the source of logistical support, command and
control,
>> and training for the Al Quaeda war of terror against the world. The
>> initial defeat, and removal from control of Afghanistan was vital and
>>
>> P.S. Whereas this CBC article is about your opinion of the actions of
>> the latest Minister Of Health trust that Mr Boudreau and the CBC have
>> had my files for many years and the last thing they are is ethical.
>> Ask his friends Mr Murphy and the RCMP if you don't believe me.
>>
>> Subject:
>> Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 12:02:35 -0400
>> From: "Murphy, Michael B. \(DH/MS\)" MichaelB.Murphy@gnb.ca
>> To: motomaniac_02186@yahoo.com
>>
>> January 30, 2007
>>
>> WITHOUT PREJUDICE
>>
>> Mr. David Amos
>>
>> Dear Mr. Amos:
>>
>> This will acknowledge receipt of a copy of your e-mail of December
29,
>> 2006 to Corporal Warren McBeath of the RCMP.
>>
>> Because of the nature of the allegations made in your message, I have
>> taken the measure of forwarding a copy to Assistant Commissioner
Steve
>> Graham of the RCMP “J” Division in Fredericton.
>>
>> Sincerely,
>>
>> Honourable Michael B. Murphy
>> Minister of Health
>>
>> CM/cb
>>
>>
>> Warren McBeath warren.mcbeath@rcmp-grc.gc.ca wrote:
>>
>> Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 17:34:53 -0500
>> From: "Warren McBeath" warren.mcbeath@rcmp-grc.gc.ca
>> To: kilgoursite@ca.inter.net, MichaelB.Murphy@gnb.ca,
>> nada.sarkis@gnb.ca, wally.stiles@gnb.ca, dwatch@web.net,
>> motomaniac_02186@yahoo.com
>> CC: ottawa@chuckstrahl.com, riding@chuckstrahl.com,John.Foran@gnb.ca,
>> Oda.B@parl.gc.ca,"Bev BUSSON" bev.busson@rcmp-grc.gc.ca,
>> "Paul Dube" PAUL.DUBE@rcmp-grc.gc.ca
>> Subject: Re: Remember me Kilgour? Landslide Annie McLellan has
>> forgotten me but the crooks within the RCMP have not
>>
>> Dear Mr. Amos,
>>
>> Thank you for your follow up e-mail to me today. I was on days off
>> over the holidays and>> was not ignoring or procrastinating to respond to your concerns.
>>
>> As your attachment sent today refers from Premier Graham, our
position
>> is clear on your dead calf issue: Our forensic labs do not process
>> testing on animals in cases such as yours, they are referred to the
>> Atlantic Veterinary College in Charlottetown who can provide these
>> services. If you do not choose to utilize their expertise in this
>> instance, then that is your decision and nothing more can be done.
>>
>> As for your other concerns regarding the US Government, false
>> imprisonment and Federal Court Dates in the US, etc... it is clear
>> that Federal authorities are aware of your concerns both in Canada
>> the US. These issues do not fall into the purvue of Detachment
>> and policing in Petitcodiac, NB.
>>
>> It was indeed an interesting and informative conversation we had on
>> December 23rd, and I wish you well in all of your future endeavors.
>>
>>  Sincerely,
>>
>> Warren McBeath, Cpl.
>> GRC Caledonia RCMP
>> Traffic Services NCO
>> Ph: (506) 387-2222
>> Fax: (506) 387-4622
>> E-mail warren.mcbeath@rcmp-grc.gc.ca
>>
>>
>>
>> Alexandre Deschênes, Q.C.,
>> Office of the Integrity Commissioner
>> Edgecombe House, 736 King Street
>> Fredericton, N.B. CANADA E3B 5H1
>> tel.: 506-457-7890
>> fax: 506-444-5224
>> e-mail:coi@gnb.ca
>>
>>
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: David Amos motomaniac333@gmail.com
>> Date: Wed, Sep 23, 2015 at 10:35 AM
>> Subject: RE My complaint against the CROWN in Federal Court Attn
David
>> Hansen and Peter MacKay If you planning to submit a motion for a
>> publication ban on my complaint trust that you dudes are way past too
>> late
>> To: David.Hansen@justice.gc.ca, peter.mackay@justice.gc.ca
>> peacock.kurt@telegraphjournal.com,
mclaughlin.heather@dailygleaner.com,
>> david.akin@sunmedia.ca, robert.frater@justice.gc.ca,
>> paul.riley@ppsc-sppc.gc.ca,
>> greg@gregdelbigio.com, joyce.dewitt-vanoosten@gov.bc.ca,
>> joan.barrett@ontario.ca, jean-vincent.lacroix@gouv.qc.ca,
>> peter.rogers@mcinnescooper.com, mfeder@mccarthy.ca, mjamal@osler.com
>> Cc: david.raymond.amos@gmail.com, gopublic@cbc.ca,
>> Whistleblower@ctv.ca
>>
>> https://scc-csc.lexum.com/scc-csc/scc-csc/en/item/14439/index.do
>>
>>
http://www.scc-csc.gc.ca/WebDocuments-DocumentsWeb/35072/FM030_Respondent_Attorney-General-of-Canada-on-Behalf-of-the-United-States-of-America.pdf
>>
>>
http://thedavidamosrant.blogspot.ca/2013/10/re-glen-greenwald-and-brazilian.html
>>
>> I repeat what the Hell do I do with the Yankee wiretapes taps sell
>> them on Ebay or listen to them and argue them with you dudes in
>> Feferal Court?
>>
>> Petey Baby loses all parliamentary privelges in less than a month but
>> he still supposed to be an ethical officer of the Court CORRECT?
>>
>> Veritas Vincit
>> David Raymond Amos
>> 902 800 0369
>>
>>
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: David Amos motomaniac333@gmail.com
>> Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2012 14:10:14 -0400
>> Subject: Yo Mr Bauer say hey to your client Obama and his buddies in
>> the USDOJ for me will ya?
>> To: RBauer@perkinscoie.com, sshimshak@paulweiss.com,
>> cspada@lswlaw.com, msmith@svlaw.com, bginsberg@pattonboggs.com,
>> gregory.craig@skadden.com, pm@pm.gc.ca, bob.paulson@rcmp-grc.gc.ca,
>> bob.rae@rogers.blackberry.net, MulcaT@parl.gc.ca,
leader@greenparty.ca
>> Cc: alevine@cooley.com, david.raymond.amos@gmail.com,
>> michael.rothfeld@wsj.com, remery@ecbalaw.com
>>
>> QSLS Politics
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>> Visit 29,419
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>>
>>
http://qslspolitics.blogspot.com/2009/03/david-amos-to-wendy-olsen-on.html
>>
>>
>> Could ya tell I am investigating your pension plan bigtime? Its
>> because no member of the RCMP I have ever encountered has earned it
yet
>>
>>
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: David Amos motomaniac333@gmail.com
>> Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 11:36:04 -0400
>> Subject: This is a brief as I can make my concerns Randy
>> To:  randyedmunds@gov.nl.ca
>> Cc: david.raymond.amos@gmail.com
>>
>> In a nutshell my concerns about the actions of the Investment
Industry
>> affect the interests of every person in every district of every
>> country not just the USA and Canada. I was offering to help you with
>> Emera because my work with them and Danny Williams is well known and
>> some of it is over eight years old and in the PUBLIC Record.
>>
>> All you have to do is stand in the Legislature and ask the MInister
of
>> Justice why I have been invited to sue Newfoundland by the
>> Conservatives
>>
>>
>> Obviously I am the guy the USDOJ and the SEC would not name who is
the
>> link to Madoff and Putnam Investments
>>
>> Here is why
>>
>>
http://banking.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Hearings.Hearing&Hearing_ID=90f8e691-9065-4f8c-a465-72722b47e7f2
>>
>> Notice the transcripts and webcasts of the hearing of the US Senate
>> Banking Commitee are still missing? Mr Emory should at least notice
>> Eliot Spitzer and the Dates around November 20th, 2003 in the
>> following file
>>
>>
http://www.checktheevidence.com/pdf/2526023-DAMOSIntegrity-yea-right.-txt.pdf
>>
>> http://occupywallst.org/users/DavidRaymondAmos/
>>
>>
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: "Hansen, David" David.Hansen@justice.gc.ca
>> Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2013 19:28:44 +0000
>> Subject: RE: I just called again Mr Hansen
>> To: David Amos motomaniac333@gmail.com
>>
>> Hello Mr. Amos,
>>
>> I manage the Justice Canada civil litigation section in the Atlantic
>> region.  We are only responsible for litigating existing civil
>> litigation files in which the Attorney General of Canada is a named
>> defendant or plaintiff.  If you are a plaintiff or defendant in an
>> existing civil litigation matter in the Atlantic region in which
>> Attorney General of Canada is a named defendant or plaintiff please
>> provide the court file number, the names of the parties in the action
>> and your question.  I am not the appropriate contact for other
>> matters.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> David A. Hansen
>> Regional Director | Directeur régional
>> General Counsel |Avocat général
>> Civil Litigation and Advisory | Contentieux des affaires civiles et
>> services de consultation
>> Department of Justice | Ministère de la Justice
>> Suite 1400 – Duke Tower | Pièce 1400 – Tour Duke
>> 5251 Duke Street | 5251 rue Duke
>> Halifax, Nova Scotia | Halifax, Nouvelle- Écosse
>> B3J 1P3
>> david.hansen@justice.gc.ca
>> Telephone | Téléphone (902) 426-3261 / Facsimile | Télécopieur (902)
>> 426-2329
>> This e-mail is confidential and may be protected by solicitor-client
>> privilege. Unauthorized distribution or disclosure is prohibited. If
>> you have received this e-mail in error, please notify us and delete
>> this entire e-mail.
>> Before printing think about the Environment
>> Thinking Green, please do not print this e-mail unless necessary.
>> Pensez vert, svp imprimez que si nécessaire.
>>
>>
>>>
>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----->>> Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2013 02:23:24 -0300
>>> Subject: ATTN FBI Special Agent Richard Deslauriers Have you talked
to
>>> your buddies Fred Wyshak and Brian Kelly about the wiretap tapes
YET?
>>> To: boston@ic.fbi.gov, washington.field@ic.fbi.gov,
>>> bob.paulson@rcmp-grc.gc.ca, Kevin.leahy@rcmp-grc.gc.ca,
>>> Brian.Kelly@usdoj.gov, us.marshals@usdoj.gov, Fred.Wyshak@usdoj.gov,
>>> jcarney@carneybassil.com, bbachrach@bachrachlaw.net
>>> Cc: david.raymond.amos@gmail.com, birgittaj@althingi.is,
>>> shmurphy@globe.com, redicecreations@gmail.com
>>>
>>> FBI Boston
>>> One Center Plaza
>>> Suite 600
>>> Boston, MA 02108
>>> Phone: (617) 742-5533
>>> Fax: (617) 223-6327
>>> E-mail: Boston@ic.fbi.gov
>>>
>>> Hours
>>> Although we operate 24 hours a day, seven days a week, our normal
>>> "walk-in" business hours are from 8:15 a.m. to 5:00 p.m., Monday
>>> through Friday. If you need to speak with a FBI representative at
any
>>> time other than during normal business hours, please telephone our
>>> office at (617) 742-5533.
>>>
>>>
>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>> From: David Amos motomaniac333@gmail.com
>>> Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2013 01:20:20 -0300
>>> Subject: Yo Fred Wyshak and Brian Kelly your buddy Whitey's trial is
>>> finally underway now correct? What the hell do I do with the wiretap
>>> tapes Sell them on Ebay?
>>> To: Brian.Kelly@usdoj.gov, us.marshals@usdoj.gov,
>>> Fred.Wyshak@usdoj.gov, jcarney@carneybassil.com,
>>> bbachrach@bachrachlaw.net, wolfheartlodge@live.com,
shmurphy@globe.com,
>>> >> jonathan.albano@bingham.commvalencia@globe.com
>>> Cc: david.raymond.amos@gmail.com, oldmaison@yahoo.com,
>>> PATRICK.MURPHY@dhs.gov, rounappletree@aol.com
>>>
>>>
http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2013/06/05/james-whitey-bulger-jury-selection-process-enters-second-day/KjS80ofyMMM5IkByK74bkK/story.html
>>>
>>> http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2013/06/09/nsa-leak-guardian.html
>>>
>>> As the CBC etc yap about Yankee wiretaps and whistleblowers I must
ask
>>> them the obvious question AIN'T THEY FORGETTING SOMETHING????
>>>
>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vugUalUO8YY
>>>
>>> What the hell does the media think my Yankee lawyer served upon the
>>> USDOJ right after I ran for and seat in the 39th Parliament baseball
>>> cards?
>>>
>>> http://www.archive.org/details/FedsUsTreasuryDeptRcmpEtc
>>>
>>>
http://archive.org/details/ITriedToExplainItToAllMaritimersInEarly2006
>>>
>>> http://davidamos.blogspot.ca/2006/05/wiretap-tapes-impeach-bush.html
>>>
>>> http://www.archive.org/details/PoliceSurveilanceWiretapTape139
>>>
>>> http://archive.org/details/Part1WiretapTape143
>>>
>>> FEDERAL EXPRES February 7, 2006
>>> Senator Arlen Specter
>>> United States Senate
>>> Committee on the Judiciary
>>> 224 Dirksen Senate Office Building
>>> Washington, DC 20510
>>>
>>> Dear Mr. Specter:
>>>
>>> I have been asked to forward the enclosed tapes to you from a man
>>> named, David Amos, a Canadian citizen, in connection with the
matters
>>> raised in the attached letter.
>>>
>>> Mr. Amos has represented to me that these are illegal FBI wire tap
>>> tapes.
>>>
>>> I believe Mr. Amos has been in contact with you about this
previously.
>>>
>>> Very truly yours,
>>> Barry A. Bachrach
>>> Direct telephone: (508) 926-3403
>>> Direct facsimile: (508) 929-3003
>>> Email: bbachrach@bowditch.com
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "David Amos" david.raymond.amos@gmail.com
>>> To: "Rob Talach" rtalach@ledroitbeckett.com
>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 10:59 PM
>>> Subject: Re: Attn Robert Talach and I should talk ASAP about my
suing
>>> the Catholic Church Trust that Bastarache knows why
>>>
>>> The date stamp on about page 134 of this old file of mine should
mean
>>> a lot to you
>>>
>>> http://www.checktheevidence.com/pdf/2619437-CROSS-BORDER-txt-.pdf
>>>
>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>> From: David Amos motomaniac333@gmail.com
>>> Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2012 15:37:08 -0400
>>> Subject: To Hell with the KILLER COP Gilles Moreau What say you NOW
>>>>>> maritme_malaise@yahoo.ca, Jennifer.Nixon@ps-sp.gc.ca,
>>> bartman.heidi@psic-ispc.gc.ca, Yves.J.Marineau@rcmp-grc.gc.ca,
>>> david.paradiso@erc-cee.gc.ca, desaulniea@smtp.gc.ca,
>>> denise.brennan@tbs-sct.gc.ca, anne.murtha@vac-acc.gc.ca,
>>> webo@xplornet.com, julie.dickson@osfi-bsif.gc.ca,
>>> rod.giles@osfi-bsif.gc.ca, flaherty.j@parl.gc.ca,
toewsv1@parl.gc.ca,
>>> Nycole.Turmel@parl.gc.ca,Clemet1@parl.gc.ca,
maritime_malaise@yahoo.ca,
>>> >> oig@sec.gov, whistleblower@finra.org, whistle@fsa.gov.uk,
>>> david@fairwhistleblower.ca
>>> Cc: j.kroes@interpol.int, david.raymond.amos@gmail.com,
>>> bernadine.chapman@rcmp-grc.gc.cajustin.trudeau.a1@parl.gc.ca,
>>> Juanita.Peddle@rcmp-grc.gc.ca, oldmaison@yahoo.com,
>>> Wayne.Lang@rcmp-grc.gc.ca, Robert.Trevors@gnb.ca,
>>> ian.fahie@rcmp-grc.gc.ca>
>>>
>>> http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/nb/news-nouvelles/media-medias-eng.htm
>>>
>>> http://nb.rcmpvet.ca/Newsletters/VetsReview/nlnov06.pdf
>>>
>>> From: Gilles Moreau Gilles.Moreau@rcmp-grc.gc.ca
>>> Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2012 08:03:22 -0500
>>> Subject: Re: Lets ee if the really nasty Newfy Lawyer Danny Boy
>>> Millions will explain this email to you or your boss Vic Toews EH
>>> Constable Peddle???
>>> To: David Amos motomaniac333@gmail.com
>>>
>>> Please cease and desist from using my name in your emails.
>>>
>>> Gilles Moreau, Chief Superintendent, CHRP and ACC
>>> Director General
>>> HR Transformation
>>> 73 Leikin Drive, M5-2-502
>>> Ottawa, Ontario K1A 0R2
>>>
>>> Tel 613-843-6039
>>> Cel 613-818-6947
>>>
>>> Gilles Moreau, surintendant principal, CRHA et ACC
>>> Directeur général de la Transformation des ressources humaines
>>> 73 Leikin, pièce M5-2-502
>>> Ottawa, ON K1A 0R2
>>>
>>> tél 613-843-6039
>>> cel 613-818-6947
>>> gilles.moreau@rcmp-grc.gc.ca
>>>
>
 
 
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Champlain Place, N.B.'s largest mall, sold to Montreal-based property company

 

Champlain Place, N.B.'s largest mall, sold to Montreal-based property company

General manager says it will be business as usual for the next while

New Brunswick's largest mall, Champlain Place in Dieppe, has been sold but there will be very few obvious changes, said general manager Brian MacMullen. 

"At Champlain Place, it's going to be business as usual. There should be no noticeable change to our customers or retailers. It's really just a change of ownership and that's it."

Montreal-based Westcliff Group bought the 784,372-square-foot mall, saying it "perfectly aligns with Westcliff's strategy," according to the company's vice-president and head of leasing, Nicolas D'Aoust, in a statement on its website. 

MacMullin said the mall's current formula is working so there's no need to make any immediate changes — beyond the name, which will become Place Champlain Place to reflect the "bilingual nature of our customer base," said MacMullin. 

It's unclear whether the shopping mall  was even on the market before the sale. MacMullen referred the question to his new employer, Westcliff Group, which referred the question to the seller, Cadillac Fairview, but the company has not responded to a CBC request. 

Mall from the outside Champlain Place is home to retailers that include Walmart, Bass Pro Shops, Cineplex, Sport Chek, H&M, LL Bean, Lululemon, TD Canada Trust and Sobeys. (CBC)

Meanwhile, two Saint John malls that have been on the market for months have not sold. 

McAllister Place was listed for sale in June, while Brunswick Square has been on the market since early April. 

Graham Procter, senior vice-president of asset management with Primaris REIT, which owns McAllister Place, said "the property is still for sale, but nothing has materialized." 

An official with Slate Asset Management, which owns Brunswick Square, said there was "nothing to share on this right now." 

Bill MacAvoy, managing director of Cushman & Wakefield Atlantic, the contracted leasing agent for Brunswick Square, said having three malls for sale in a small province like New Brunswick is more of a coincidence than a sign of trouble for malls in the future. In fact, he said, it's the opposite. 

"Malls absolutely have a future," said MacAvoy. 

 Exterior of a large brick building.Brunswick Square, in uptown Saint John, has been on the market since early April. (Google Streetview)

The fact that buyers "are coming forward and stepping up and acquiring them, at numbers that the sellers are willing to dispose of them for, is really a good news story for the health and the future of retail."

MacAvoy said that in the sale of Champlain Place, along with three malls that have sold in the Halifax area in the last two years, "the offers that have been coming in have met, or in many cases exceeded, the vendor's expectations." 

'Business as usual'

Jim Cormier, the Atlantic region director of the Retail Council of Canada, doesn't expect many changes for the retailers of Champlain Place. 

Cormier said "there's always some trepidation whenever there's a sale of a mall."

He said his members would consider it "business as usual until they find out that it's not. 

"So chances are with any sale, you're still going to be able to do your business with the new owners, just as you were with the former owners."

Shopping mall, pictured from outside. McAllister Place, Saint John's largest mall, was put up for sale by Primaris REIT in June. (Graham Thomspson/CBC)

Cormier said malls have been changing in recent years in an effort to attract new customers and convince online shoppers to head to the mall. 

"So one of the ways that we're seeing across Canada and in the U.S. of malls trying to attract people back is by offering more experiences within them. All the days of it just being a transactional place where you can shop indoors and hit multiple retail establishments — it's more than that." 

He said some malls have attracted large restaurants, added "comfier seating areas where they want you to linger and they want you to stay," and even added cinemas — something that malls had moved away from, although they were common decades ago. 

MacMullen said Champlain Place has been full in terms of retail tenants for many years. 

"The last few years have been very positive. We're mainly fully leased. We've seen great growth in our sales productivity, foot traffic is strong. Yeah, so things are going very well here," he said.

ABOUT THE AUTHOR

Mia Urquhart is a journalist with CBC New Brunswick, based in Saint John. She can be reached at mia.urquhart@cbc.ca.

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70 Comments
 

 
David Amos
Changing the name was kinda obvious 
 
 
 
ralph jacobs
Was someone upset with the old name?

David Amos
Reply to ralph jacobs
SANB
 


ralph jacobs
How many businesses will pull out because rents have doubled or risen greatly?
 
David Amos
Reply to ralph jacobs
Have they?



Ronald Miller
They should be putting liquor stores in those malls.
 
Ronald Miller
Reply to Ronald Miller
Another clever post my shadow, tell us more.
 
David Amos
Reply to Ronald Miller
They do
 
 
 
james bolt
Do they plan to turn it in to a homeless shelter and drug rehabilitation clinic?

David Amos
Reply to james bolt
Why ask such a question?

 
Hugh MacDonald
Don't be surprised if lease rates rise for tenants.
 
Dennis Woodman
Reply to Hugh MacDonald
Not unless their lease is coming up for renewal.
 
Hugh MacDonald
Reply to Dennis Woodman
If the new owners want to bad enough, they'll find a way. Especially with the smaller stores.
 
David Amos
Reply to Dennis Woodman
I agree However I was done in years ago by a new owner and the former owner was my brother in law's law firm partner

Tim Apple
Reply to David Amos
Apparently, everything is 6 degrees of David Amos. Got it. 
 
David Amos
Reply to Tim Apple
Apparently not
 
 
 
Julia LeBeau
When was the picture of the mall taken? I don't think Sears still has brick and mortar stores. Are they back in business?

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/sears-retailer-closes-new-brunswick-1.4478485

David Amos

Reply to Julia LeBeau
Does it matter?

ralph jacobs 
Reply to Julia LeBeau
Maybe they haven't changed the sign yet. 

 
 
Jimmy Cochrane
Be in this place place.

David Amos
Reply to Jimmy Cochrane
I'm not coming

 
 
Ronald Miller
It appears those obsessed with Higgs are still having a hard time getting past it. How about this, no matter what goes wrong over the next 4 years let's just all keep blaming Higgs.

David Amos
Reply to Ronald Miller
Why not?
 
Kirk Gordon
Reply to Ronald Miller
Great idea.
 
Eddy Geek
Content Deactivated

Reply to Ronald Miller
Huh what now??

The ONLY poster to bring politics into the discussion is YOU Ronald - but then you take offence if someone disagrees with your partisan politics
 
Ronald Miller
Reply to Eddy Geek
I wonder how long it will take for Holt to raise the property taxes?
 
Ronald Miller
Reply to Ronald Miller
My shadow is busy today.

ralph jacobs 
Reply to Ronald Miller
Harper still gets blamed for things by JT supporters. 
 
Eddy Geek
Reply to Ronald Miller
Seeing as you're already blaming Holt for the sale of this mall - even though it occurred before the election, I imagine you're already blaming her for the taxes you already pay
 
Ronald Miller
Reply to Eddy Geek
You are responding to my shadow, not me. He likes to think he is being clever. As for Holt, I will blame her for making promises she could not keep. Making up things to blame on a party is something the left excelled at over the last number of years.  
 
David Amos
Content Deactivated 
Reply to Ronald Miller
Who knows what evil lurks in the hearts of men?
 
Eddy Geek
Reply to Ronald Miller
You must consider Higgs and Wee Pierre to be "the left"  
 
 
 
pete prosser
The Riverview Mall has recently been sold. I was hoping they would flatten it and create housing but the buyer is flogging retail space in that old dinosaur.

SW Home
Reply to pete prosser
yea, cause that's what needs to go there. More unaffordable housing designed to make developers rich.
 
Bob Smith
Reply to pete prosser
Last thing that part of Riverview needs is more apartment buildings. Focusing on retail is a good idea. Well, in Riverview, retail may not popular with some folks there but they do pay taxes and taxes help pay for all the structures that will be dedicated to Bruce Fitch in the future..lol...
 
David Amos
Reply to pete prosser
I am fond of old dinosaurs

 
 
Ronald Miller
These real estate companies are jumping ship since the Holt/Trudeau government came to New Brunswick.
 
Daniel Franklin
Reply to Ronald Miller
How do you figure? April and June are before the election and this sale likely was in the works while Higgs was still Premier. Are you still that hurt from losing?
 
SW Home
Reply to Ronald Miller
poor Ronnie
 
Rosco holt
Reply to Ronald Miller
For years Higgs invited these real estate companies to the province, they bought rental and raised the prices of rent. Evicting a growing number of NBers who can't afford their prices. You think it was good seeing homelessness growing.
 
Ronald Miller
Reply to Ronald Miller
Hey look, my shadow has returned, hello shadow. Another proud moment for your parents.
 
Ronald Miller
Reply to Rosco holt
How exactly did he invite them, mail, email, text, do tell. NB still has among the cheapest rents in the country, and homelessness is a country wide issue, wake up.
 
Ronald Miller
Reply to Daniel Franklin
Hey, do we still blame the provincial gov't for carbon taxes or does that change now with a Liberal gov't, just want to get it straight going forward.
 
David Amos
Content Deactivated 
Reply to Ronald Miller
Who knows what evil lurks in the hearts of men if not your shadow?
 
Daniel Franklin
Reply to Ronald Miller
Don't blame, vote!
 
Ronald Miller
Reply to Daniel Franklin
So I will take that as a yes.
 
Daniel Franklin
Reply to Ronald Miller
You take it however your reading comprehension will allow.
 
David Amos
Reply to Daniel Franklin
Bingo

Ronald Miller
Reply to Daniel Franklin
So at a level you will never achieve, got it. 
 
Daniel Franklin
Reply to Ronald Miller
"I know you are but what am I" is a really good comeback and very mature. 
 
Rosco holt
Reply to Ronald Miller
When he lowered taxes, didn't place(place and removed) rent cap and placed a bank instead.

Rent may be cheap for those making salaries of Ontario or western provinces but NB has the (near ) lowest wages in the country that is the issue. Homeless is a country wide problem but what did Higgs do about it? Nothing...

When a man died freezing, his campaign manager a guy named Outhouse brush the man's death a statistic.

David Amos
Reply to Rosco holt
Oh My
 
 
 
Randy Dumont
This is a good real estate deal, there’s lots of excess parking spaces that can be converted to high rise housing.

David Amos
Reply to Randy Dumont
Surely you jest

 
 
Toby Tolly
Haven't been there since the "powers that spend" decided the food signs needed more French

Circa 15 years ago

David Amos
Reply to Toby Tolly
Me too
 
Les Cooper
Reply to Toby Tolly
Same here.

 
 
Errol Willis
Place Champlain Place?

Only in NB.
 
Louis Leblanc
Reply to Errol Willis
Place Champlain would have been suffisant.
 
Errol Willis
Reply to Louis Leblanc
Either would have been sufficient actually.

Place Champlain or Champlain Place - I don't think anyone would care.

Place Champlain Place just seems ...... redundant.
 
David Amos
Reply to Errol Willis
C'est Vrai

Graham McCormack
Reply to Errol Willis
Seems a bit silly to even worry about.
 
Dan Lee
Reply to Graham McCormack
not when you hate anything french
 
Errol Willis
Reply to Dan Lee
Me?

Perhaps refrain from assumptions


 
Louis Leblanc
The mall concept is dead. Online shopping has replaced going to the mall.

David Amos
Reply to Louis Leblanc
True but methinks socializing has its Place N'esy Pas?
 
 
 
Dan Lee
Bring back the cart........i see seniors struggling to carry.......
 
David Amos
Reply to Dan Lee
I resemble that remark

 
 
Allan Marven
And now for todays top story....
 
David Amos
Content Deactivated 
Reply to Allan Marven
Go to my blog if you are bored
 
David Amos
Reply to Allan Marven
Bingo 
 
ralph jacobs 
Reply to Allan Marven
That one won't be open. 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

Hundreds of Rogers, Bell and Telus customers angry prices can increase during contract

 

Hundreds of Rogers, Bell and Telus customers angry prices can increase during contract

Expert calls contracts a ‘trap by design’ and says consumers need more protection

Customers with Canada's three biggest telecom providers — Rogers, Bell and Telus — say they're frustrated by contracts that lock them into agreements but allow the companies to increase prices at the same time.

In hundreds of emails to Go Public, customers say they're fed up with unexpected increases to their monthly internet, TV and home phone bills during their contracts. 

They started writing after CBC News reported the story of Cathy Cooper, a Rogers Communications customer in Sidney, B.C., who was caught off guard when the company jacked up the monthly price of renting TV boxes by $7 apiece ($12 each for newer customers).

Melani Norman of Toronto wrote that she got her "first bill of a new three-year contract with Bell and the fees had increased by $5 a month for my TV before I even began." 

"It turns out that the promise Bell made me was false."

In email after email, telco customers say they were never told about language — often buried in the fine print — that says companies are allowed to increase the price of certain items during the term of a contract.

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Some describe spending hours on the phone with customer service agents, trying to understand their bills and fighting for the original monthly price they believe they were guaranteed. 

Many said they found their contracts confusing.

A contract law expert says consumers have been complaining about one-sided telco contracts for almost two decades. 

"These contracts are long — and even if you read them, you need at least a university-level education to understand them," said Marina Pavlović, an associate professor at the University of Ottawa's faculty of law who specializes in consumer protection and digital society.

Pavlović says the contracts are a "trap by design" and that it's time for Canada's telco regulator, the Canadian Radio-television and Telecommunications Commission (CRTC), to investigate.

WATCH | Buried in the fine print:
 
     Calls for regulator investigation over telecom price hikes | Go Public 
 
A growing number of Rogers, Bell and Telus customers have complained to CBC’s Go Public about contracts they feel are misleading, and it’s led to more calls for the industry regulator to investigate.

"We need to rebalance them so that consumers feel that they're more protected."

Go Public asked Rogers, Bell and Telus to comment on the fact that customers feel misled. None would address the growing customer frustration.

'I felt kind of bamboozled'

Norman says she agreed to a three-year contract for TV, internet and home phone with Bell in August, and was quoted a monthly price over the phone.

When her first bill arrived in September, her TV service was already $5 higher than she was led to believe. When she called to inquire, she says an agent told her the price would also soon be going up for phone and internet.

"It was a bit of, like, 'You've got to be kidding,'" said Norman.

Her contract says the company can raise fees by up to $10 each calendar year, which she says was not explained to her on the phone. 

"I felt kind of bamboozled."

A woman sits at a desk, looking at the camera. Melani Norman saw a $5 price increase on her first bill after signing a three-year contract with Bell. (Prasanjeet Choudhury/CBC)

A spokesperson for Bell told Go Public it "regrets" the price increases weren't clearly explained over the phone, and that the company will now credit Norman's account to cover her extra costs.

She also said that Bell "does not offer nor advertise fixed prices for the duration of a contract" on any of its plans. 

"Our pricing terms are clearly displayed on our website, in the contracts and our customer service representatives are trained to explain them clearly to our customers," she wrote.

Pavlović, the contract expert, says stories like Norman's are so common "you almost need to be a CPA [certified professional accountant] to audit your account."

Turns out, Norman is a CPA — who created a spreadsheet to track her Bell costs — and even she had a hard time figuring out her increased bill. 

Woman sitting at a desk, looking directly at camera. Contract law expert Marina Pavlović says telco contracts are long and complicated, and that the CRTC should investigate. (Brian Morris/CBC)

'Cash grab'

Customers from the big telcos call their experiences everything from "infuriating" and "shady" to "a cash grab."

Many describe asking a customer service agent repeatedly if the price they were agreeing to for two years was "guaranteed." But after getting assurances it was, they saw their bills creep up shortly after. 

Some question why they didn't get a credit when they called to complain about a new charge, when friends and family managed to get the same charge lowered or even reversed.

When Carl Cameron of Wasaga Beach, Ont., called Rogers to "loudly complain" about a TV box increase, he says a manager gave him a 50 per cent discount and claimed that deal was for "infinity."

"She didn't send it to me in writing," he said. "So it means nothing."

In an email to Go Public, a spokesperson for Rogers said Cameron would maintain that discount for as long as he has the box.  

CRTC to hold consultations

Pavlović says she's not surprised so many Canadians are frustrated by little-known provisions in their telco contracts.

"Consumers feel very vulnerable," she said. "Some of these services are absolutely essential for their lives, and they don't really have a choice other than to accept these terms that are heavily skewed in favour of providers."

Pavlović says the CRTC should investigate, and could require that prices remain unchanged during a contract. 

A spokesperson for the CRTC told Go Public that recent reporting about price increases within existing contracts is "concerning." 

The regulator has since sent a letter to the big telcos, which states they "should not be surprising their customers with price increases beyond the price they had originally agreed to" and reminding them that any additional charges — such as those related to equipment — "must be clear." 

WATCH | NDP calls for action:
 
NDP demands government action over Rogers price increases
 
A week after CBC's Go Public highlighted customer concerns surrounding Rogers price increases, the NDP has called on the Liberal government to demand the telecom reverse the price hikes, or be banned from future federal contracts.

The CRTC spokesperson also said the regulator is launching consultations with telcos, the public "and any other interested parties" to ensure information provided to customers is "clearer and uniform" so Canadians can more easily compare offers and change services or providers if they choose.

NDP calls for Liberal action

On Parliament Hill, the NDP is also calling for action. Industry critic Brian Masse says the government must use its clout to get Rogers to roll back the recent price hike to TV box rentals and not allow "weasel words" in contracts. 

"The minister … has the capability to connect to Rogers and tell them to stop abusing Canadian consumers," Masse told Go Public. 

A spokesperson for Industry Minister François-Philippe Champagne did not address whether he would ask Rogers to reverse its recent price hike, writing: "We expect Rogers to clearly communicate contract terms and pricing changes to its customers."

Meantime, the standing committee on industry and finance — consisting of Liberal, Conservative, NDP and Bloc Québécois MPs — has unanimously passed a motion to call the CEO of Rogers, Tony Staffeiri, to appear before them.

When Go Public asked whether the minister would ask the CRTC to hold a hearing that investigated contract language that allows telcos to increase prices during an agreement, the spokesperson did not respond. She did say the minister has "texted with senior leadership" at Rogers, but did not elaborate on what was discussed. 

Pavlović, the contract law expert, says a CRTC hearing is long overdue.

"We need to bolster the rights of consumers."

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529 Comments

 
 
David Amos
Where is the CRTC when we need them? 
 
 
David Amos
I treasure the emails I got from the General Counsel of Bell Canada 20 years ago


 
Philip Lucas
These various telecom service providers are simply crooks. The oversight bodies have no ability to penalise or reverse 'cost creep' or impose rulings where companies have to provide notice like 6 months for any increase, what it means to the customer, any exemptions or conditions like bundling and most importantly an agreement that allows the customer to cancel without penalty the contract whenever a cost increase notice is received so they can shop around for an alternate service during the 6 months.

Consumers like myself find it difficult to scrap the current phone, TV, internet/email .... and all the bits for a new set of bits while getting them all set up. Having the 6 month option a customer can review one or more options and make a comfortable migration.
 
David Amos
Reply to Philip Lucas
Well put
 
 
 
Mark Renns
We cancelled our cable service and went with a pirated streaming platform behind a vpn. Over 80,000 channels, movies, series for $200 a year.
 
David Amos
Reply to Mark Renns
The Crown used to give letters of mark to pirates so they could raid for Yankee old legally
 
David Amos
Reply to David Amos
"Oh, the year was 1778

How I wish I was in Sherbrooke now

A letter of marque came from the king

To the scummiest vessel I've ever seen"

Stan Rogers

(I wonder if he was related)
 
Jonpol Sigmussen
Reply to Mark Renns
Smart move.