The @GreenPartyNB will support whomever wins the minority mandate but
Higgs knows as well as I that they are just liberals who have not fessed
up to that fact yet N'esy Pas?
People's Alliance agrees to support a PC government in N.B. 'bill by bill'
Kris Austin met with New Brunswick's lieutenant-governor Friday morning to discuss working with other parties
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The Green Party will support whomever wins the minority mandate but Higgs knows as well as I that they are just liberals who have not fessed up to that fact yet N'esy Pas?
David Amos Methinks Mr Higgs will get what he wants and run a minority government
for awhile but there will be another election in the near future
because of his dealings with the PANB N'esy Pas?
Jamal Norris
Trudeau Liberals keep on "soar" winning:
BC election - lost
ON election - lost
NB election - lost
QC election - losing this week-end
David Allan
@Jamal Norris
"BC election - lost "
The BC Liberals are a conservative party.
Welcome to Canada.
"NB election - lost "
Nope. The Libs won. It was in all the news. A coalition on a
bill-by-bill basis is not a coalition. It's the normal operation of the
legislature.
Bob Cole
@Jamal Norris
You need a civics lesson. Federal parties =/= provincial parties. Case and point: BC Liberals.
David Amos
@Jamal Norris True
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David Amos
@Bob Cole You need a civics lesson if you don't think the liberals are toast
David Amos
@Bob Cole Your point is?
David Amos
@David Allan I was not
surprised to see a lot of comments blocked so as per my MO I made a lot
more. Surely some will be published. That said CBC did publish this
within this comment section I am merely repeating it N'esy Pas?
Mack Leigh
@Marc Martin Just watched the full 4 minutes and 25 second video that
blogger Charles L. made with Kris Austin at 11: 30 this morning....
Austin was just coming out of his meeting with the LG...Absolutely no
mention of siding with Higgs and the PC's for 18 months.. Austin stated
that he wanted to cooperate with and work with other parties in the best
interest of the people of New Brunswick...Austin said he would work
with the PC's , and I quote ,,, " on a case by case basis "... So do you
have actual proof that refutes the video..Nope , did not think so.....
17 hours ago
David Amos
@Mack Leigh Trust that I downloaded that video as soon as it was published
Gregg Randall
Well...that's step one.
Next a non-confidence vote and Gallant can go hang out in obscurity with Kathleen Wynne
David Amos
@Gregg Randall YUP
David Kane
Time for Galant to take a hike
David Amos
@David Kane YUP
David Kane
One assumes Galant can do math , now step aside , no more narcissistic Liberals needed
You and the Greens don't add up to 25 Gallant, time to resign
David Allan
@David Kane
Gallant won according to the rules, according to the Constitution. I
wouldn't expect his government to last, but he won. That much is clear.
The Cons don't have 25. Support on a bill-by-bill basis is not support
and is not a coalition. It's the normal operation of the legislature.
David Allan
@Chris Spear
"In practice, yes it does."
No, it really doesn't.
In practice, the Constitution states that the incumbent rules unless a clear majority is won by any other party.
Bort Smith
@David Allan
Yes but it
Well actually it has to do with confidence motions.
Technically Gallant is still premier until he resigns or is forced to resign in a confidence motion that his party loses.
If he tries to stay on in some way despite losing a confidence motion
like Christy Clarke did (by calling an election) then the Crown (ltG)
would be duty bound to dismiss him and act against his advice (which has
no confidence anyway).
Either way it proves the value of monarchy in a democracy.
David Amos
@Bort Smith True
Bob Ols
The blue wave continues to
work its way across the country. Nxet stops will be QC and AB. Common
sense is beginning to prevail over virtue-signalling, ethics violations
and weak leadership.
Lanny Fleming
@John Price "HUGE likelihood" to you means what "somewhat of a possibilty" is to everyone else.
39.5% of Canadians that voted last election chose Libs. not "HUGE" really.
David Amos
@Lanny Fleming Methinks the
liberals won bigtime last time for 3 reasons because most of the folks
could not stomach anymore of Harper or Mulcair. Trudeau "The Younger"
pranced in a lot of parades and took great selfies, while promising to
legalize dope and change the way of voting. N'esy Pas?
Hugh MacDonald
"if the Liberals lose a confidence vote"
The Liberals lost the confidence of NB voters by winning only 21 of the 49 seats.
David Amos
@Hugh MacDonald YUP
Gregg Randall
After this weekend the Liberals will have lost 4 Provincial elections in under a year.
And every time they lose they double down on their failed policies.
Slow learners they is :)
David Allan
@Gregg Randall
Nope.
You don't know what you're talking about.
BC Liberals are a right-wing party.
NB Liberals won the election.
There's no election today or this weekend.
You know, all this information is available on the internet.
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David Amos
@David Allan "You know, all this information is available on the internet."
Methinks you should Google your name and mine sometime N'esy Pas?
David Amos
@David Allan "You know, all this information is available on the internet."
YUP and a great deal more
David Kane
Gallant is only worried about one thing ….being a true Liberal … and that would be himself with a pension
David Amos
@David Kane I agree
Mary Anne Clarke
This may potentially be
positive post-electon news for New Brunswick. Hopefully next year, with
a Conservative Federal gov't, Energy East will be resurrected and NB
will see greater prosperity.
David Amos
@Mary Anne Clarke Everybody knows Quebec did in Energy East
Bert Law
It appears the liberals may be standing off in the corner all by themselves.
Great news for the good folks of NB.
Ryan Tasker
@Bert Law
Who cares?
ALL of them will end up screwing the people.
Show me a person who cares and I'll show you a hypocrite.
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David Amos
@Ryan Tasker Does that rule hold true for you?
David Amos
@Bert Law YUP
Peter Lewis
As a talking head
said......'Gallant can retire now with some dignity, or drag it out and
get kicked-to-the-curb with everyone laughing at him.'
David Kane
@Peter Lewis - Trudeau said that ?
David Amos
@David Kane Nope
Methinks Chretien and the other clever old handlers of Gallant and Trudeau The Younger have a plan that just may work N'esy Pas?
Dave MacDonald
Sure are a lot of Conservative governments all of a sudden .
David Amos
@Dave MacDonald Methinks we get the governments we deserve N'esy Pas?
Jim Johnson
Another PC government will hopefully put a damper on Trudeau's carbon tax fiasco
David Amos
@Jim Johnson YUP
Nicolas Krinis
Biggest sore loser of all times that Gallant. let it rest, already. You lost.
David Allan
@Nicolas Krinis
He did not.
You don't understand the victory conditions.
David Amos
@David Allan Everybody knows that Gallant and Higgs lost and the PANB and Green Party won
Dave MacDonald
This will make it harder for Trudeau to ignore Energy East with A PC government that will be very vocal about it .
The end of Liberals in NB...
Just wait for the Quebec Election!
David Allan
@Jamal Norris
"The end of Liberals in NB... "
How is it the end? They have nearly half the legislature. The Cons have no coalition to challenge them with.
David Amos
@David Allan The Cons don't need a coalition to rid us of Gallant and his cronies
Lou Bell
Well , there goes that bigger
pension cheque Gallant was holdin' out for . I imagine Gallant and
D'Entremont are in a strategy session at the moment planning their next
move. for the Acadian Party.
David Amos
@Lou Bell YUP
Mike Smith
The dust is finally settled and the PC/PA will take power, as it should be. Step down Mr. Gallant.
Terrance Van Gemert
@Mike Smith
PA said no to the Lt Governor. PA does not get what it wants boom there is election.
David Amos
@Terrance Van Gemert That is not what was said
Roger Jerome
...another carbon tax free zone hopefully
David Amos
@Roger Jerome Heres hoping
Robert Uncle
And another Province turns to
the right. Left leaning provincial governments are falling like
dominoes. Sask, Man, Ont, all right leaning governments. Soon Que, Ab,
and possibly BC. Time for the federal Liberals to start packing thier
bags. It will take 10 years of good competent government to clean up
thier mess.
Wil Brown
@Robert Uncle - Sask? I don't remember Brad Wall being all that left leaning. They've been conservative for over a decade.
Glenda Whitford
@Wil Brown
"Sask, Man, Ont, all right leaning governments"
Looks to me like Robert said they (SK) are right leaning....
Andrew Stephenson
@Robert Uncle
*shrug* I'm not sure how "right" leaning NB is, given they'll need the
Greens to pass legislation once they nominate a speaker, and how weak
the PC's mandate is on its own.
David Amos
@Robert Uncle Are you the "Uncle Bob" everybody is referring to?
Robert Uncle
@David Amos ..
Yup, heard it many times.
Even had to prove to CBC after my account was suspended.
David Amos
@Robert Uncle Now that is funny. How do you do.
FYI CBC killed my account that they had compelled me to create in the
first place because they did not believe I am David Amos.
When I proved that I am who I say I am to their lawyers on the phone and
in writing CBC did not reinstate the account but allowed me to create
another one. Go Figure why I felt the need to create a backup one as
well.
David Amos
@Andrew Stephenson Everybody
in the know knows why I have run as an independent for public office 7
times thus far (Including this election). However trust that I lean
"right" as do many other Proud Maritimers who never had any respect for
Harper and his cohorts..
For what it is worth I definitely agree with the man who is not my Uncle
in that a lot of Federal Liberals should start packing their bags
because they are not going to win as many seats in the election of the
43rd Parliament. In fact I predict that the outcome may compare to the
results of this election in New Brunswick.
Dustin Demers
Simple math here Mr. Gallant
22 + 3 = PC/PA majority 25.
David Amos
@Dustin Demers Methinks the new backroom PC leader will have none of that kind of math N'esy Pas?
Robert Gauvin, elected for the PCs in Shippagan-Lamèque-Miscou, said
they won't be voting with other parties, other parties will be voting
with the PCs. (Radio Canada)
Gauvin also sounded bullish on how much a PC government would need to compromise with the Alliance.
"They vote along with us," he said. "We put motions forward. We don't vote along with other parties. They vote along with us."
Marc Belanger
I think the NB PC should be given the opportunity to prove themselves.
David Amos
@Marc Belanger Methinks
Bernie Lord and his old pal David Alward proved to us who the PCs were
years ago when they supported Harper bigtime. Now Higgs and his ex NDP
buddy Cardy wish to pretend that their party is Progressive again N'esy
Pas?
Herman Trout
Under numerous Liberal governments New Brunswick has been made into our very own, made in Canada, failed state.
Bob Cole
@Herman Trout
What's your time frame on this?
In the past 20 years there's been 9 years of Liberals, 11 of Conservative.
In the past 50 years there's been 22 years of Liberal, 28 of Conservative.
Fake news bro.
David Amos
@Bob Cole Methinks 1982 was
the year we the people of New Brunswick were truly done in by both
Federal Liberals from Quebec and the Provincial Conservatives in NB.
The irony of it all is that provincial dudes in Quebec were clever
enough to not sign on to that malicious nonsense called the Charter of
Rights and Freedoms. Hence in the end the French that wish to separate
form Canada may protect us all from the malice practiced by Canada's
self described "Natural Governing Party" N'esy Pas?
david kirby
Oh that is simply not fair.
We all know the Liberals really, really, care. Why don't the PCs let the
Liberals govern in an alliance with the Greens, a sure way to ruin NB.
David Amos
@david kirby Methinks thou doth jest too much N'esy Pas?
BobbyTaylor
What a fiasco. another
example of liberals who cannot handle losing. After all, they think they
are the natural ruling party and the people need their nanny state
agenda. The liberals, like the NDP, know how to spend your money better
than you do. So why would you not keep giving them the control?
David Amos
@BobbyTaylor True
Larry Boston
A blue wave is sweeping Canada , Liberals will soon be just a distant memory on the political landscape, a mere footnote
Andrew Stephenson
@Larry Boston
That's kind of overinterpreting, isn't it? The NB result is hardly
definitive given that nobody actually won the election. Quebec's pretty
much a toss-up, and the CAQ is not actually terribly conservative.
Ontario? If you look at the votes, the NDP was actually a bigger
beneficiary of the collapse of the Libs than the PCs were, the latter
won on the Left's vote splitting rather than a huge surge on the Right..
Alberta's going to shock precisely nobody by going back to the ideology
that has won 21 of the last 22 elections (as PCs or SoCreds)
Federally, Trudeau's got a competitive base, and his opponent is
fracturing into multiple parties and is pretty much exactly where Doug
Ford was.
David Amos
@Larry Boston I doubt it
David Amos
@Andrew Stephenson The people
of New Brunswick won this election not any particular political party.
Now let see if they give us the government we deserve.
Albert Pierrepoint
Looks like Carbon pricing is a big vote getter for Liberals.
Michael Robert
@Albert Pierrepoint
Meanwhile the PC popular vote plummeted
David Amos
@Michael Robert Everybody knows why the liberals are popular with the French folks up north. Its nothing to brag about.
Darren MacDonald
Is Gallant eligible for pogey?
David Amos
@Darren MacDonald Nope
Peter Lewis
Sanity prevails!
David Amos
@Peter Lewis Don't bet the farm on an illusion.
Pierre LaRoches
I never thought I'd see
anyone lie more than Donal Arsenault did in that CBC video but today
Brian Gallant kept it up for 30 mins straight. Completely made up BS
running free like a garden hose. It was really amazing/
Marc Martin
@Pierre LaRoches Actually Higgs started first by sending emails to Liberal s, 2 can play this game
Marc Martin
@Pierre LaRoches also lose the fake name, put your real name c.....
David Amos
@Pierre LaRoches Welcome to the Circus
David Amos
@Marc Martin Cry me a river
Roger Jerome
Liberal failures continue
David Amos
@Roger Jerome Yup
Erica Normandy
Canadians don't like the carbon tax it seems , every party that will abolish it , is winning the elections
David Amos
@Erica Normandy Methinks many
would agree that this election was largely fought over French versus
English issues not carbon tax N'esy Pas?
Al Heywood
Liberals will do whatever it takes to cling to power.
David Amos
@Al Heywood "Liberals will do whatever it takes to cling to power."
So will the Conservatives
BobbyTaylor
@David Amos - not with the same drive as liberals. Liberals think they are owed the power.
David Amos
@BobbyTaylor Methinks Mr Higgs is doing a lot of yapping for a man who is not on a mission N'esy Pas?
Matt Steele
Well , it is good to see that
at least two of the four party leaders have the maturity and common
sense to try and get along before the prov. credit rating is completely
destroyed . Now lets get the economy kicked started ; and try to get
the Gallant's runaway spending under control . With the prov. debt
approaching 14.5 BILLION , with interest on the debt being nearly 2
MILLION per day....Higgs will need to act quickly to clean up Brian
Gallants mess !!!
Roy Nicholl
@Matt Steele
Mr. Higgs has already had a hand in creating the financial mess we have today,
David Amos
@Roy Nicholl True
Peter Ray
So it's over.
With the People's Alliance's 3 seats, the PCs under Higgs now have 25 seats - a true minority gov't.
Will Gallant do the honourable thing and step aside?
Andrew Stephenson
@Peter Ray
The rules are, that if nobody wins a majority, that the previous premier
gets the first kick at the can. Until he fails at a confidence vote,
Gallant is technically premier.
The PCs may have taken one seat more, but don't automatically have the
confidence of the Legislative Assembly since they don't hold a majority
mandate.
It's also technically correct to say that nobody has won yet.
David Amos
@Peter Ray "We await your explanation."
All I hear is crickets
David Amos
@Andrew Stephenson Methinks Oct 23rd should be the day that the Fat Lady sings and interesting tune N'esy Pas?
Bill Martin
By agreeing to let the Libs
form a gov't without asking the PCs, the LG has just delayed the
inevitable, and given the Libs more time to run the shredders.
David Amos
@Bill Martin The LG has to follow the rules
Ric Smith
It will be interesting to see
if Mr. Gallant takes the hint, or tries to avoid calling the
Legislature for as long as possible, hoping something will change the
math.
Junkman George
@Ric Smith
He's waiting for the re-count (Oct 5) then we will see what is what. You
forget that a House speaker can be chosen from an opposing party and a
solid partnership with the Greens will give Gallant all he needs to
govern.
David Amos
@Junkman George I doubt your Uncle Bob would bet his farm on it
Sylvius Salvarian
The People's Alliance was
elected by a plurality of voters in three different ridings. They have
as much claim to legislative authority as the elected members of any
other party.
Gallant saying he won't work with them is just childish. If there's an
area of common interest, why not work with them on that issue?
Ross Johnson
@Sylvius Salvarian I doubt the NB Libs will have much in common with an alt-Righty outfit. PC's on the other hand will.
Jack Merchant
@Ross Johnson PA doesnt actually sound all that extreme they want commonsense government, how is that scary?
SarahRose Werner
@Sylvius Salvarian - *If* there's an area of common interest...
Shawn McShane
@Jack Merchant To the
brainwashed it is scary. When you try talking common sense to them
their brains can't handle it. Look up trying to deprogram people who
have been in a cult. Same thing.
Roy Nicholl
@Shawn McShane wrote:
"To the brainwashed it is scary. When you try talking common sense to
them their brains can't handle it. Look up trying to deprogram people
who have been in a cult. Same thing."
Thee same can be said of partisan politics.
Marc Martin
@Sylvius Salvarian Gallant does not work with anti-frech groups
Marc Martin
@Shawn McShane Yeah your a good example it will never work for you
Lou Bell
@Marc Martin He works for an anti- english one !
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David Amos
@Lou Bell YUP
David Amos
@Lou Bell "He works for an anti- english one !"
Methinks its interesting that one is not permitted to post one word in order to agree with you N'esy Pas?
John Gerrits
First Ontario,now NB....it's in motion
Roy Nicholl
@John Gerrits wrote:
"First Ontario, now NB ... it's in motion"
What's in motion? Partisan Tribalism?
David Amos
@John Gerrits Is it a movement? Does it smell bad?
Daniel McIntyre
Hey liberals.
Another one bites the dust.
David Amos
@Daniel McIntyre Yup
Albert Pierrepoint
Liberals lose!
Pierre LaRoches
@Marc Martin poor Marc is in
total disbelief that anyone French couldn't be against the Liberals.
Gallant defecates on French rights for 4 years but Marc and the SANB
cronies are there to vote red no matter what.
David Amos
@Pierre LaRoches YUP
Jack Merchant
Not sure what the big delay
in recalling the house is, election night most people saw the writing on
the wall that the Liberals lost. I guess Gallant is hoping thru
trickery that he can still cling to power.
Resign now Gallant or recall legislature without delay.
David Amos
@Jack Merchant Relax and
enjoy the Circus going down in Fat Fred City just before Halloween.
Christmas is coming soon enough after that we may go to the polls again.
Joel Green
For the past four years, the liberal Government has consistently screwed up everything they've touched.
The first thing Brian Gallant did was let all of his Atcon friends off
of the hook. They then blew the toll booth decision. They were
supposed to get a judge to decide on the school bus issue, but the judge
said that the questions put to him were ridiculous, so he never ruled
on it, we still don't know if the constitution requires dual busses.
They screwed up the property tax system, they tried to introduce
legislation to charge individuals for civil juries (which was already
ruled against by the supreme court of Canada), they tried to cover up
the water quality problem at Parlee beach, they came out with some
stupid plan to give free University tuition in a have not province, they
fired the Chief Medical Officer for an unknown reason 3 months before
she won an award for being the best medical officer in the country, and
had to pay her big money, they fired Reno Volpe and had to pay him big
money. They sent contracts for Government equipment to Quebec firms
over NB firms. And those are only the things I remember off the top of
my head. I absolutely can't believe they also had the gall to claim a
balanced budget right before the election, that is absolutely
unbelievable.
They were a terrible Government. All along, on CBC's political panel, I
would hear Higgs, Kris Austin and David **** be voices of reason. If
the three of them can work together, I think they'll be great for the
province.
Ross Johnson
@Joel Green Did you ever
give a thought as to why the PC government of NB got the boot in 2014?
Was it because they were so great at what they did? You CONs make up
condemnatory lists such as yours yet never mention the long lists of
failures that your own party earned. Provincially and Federally you all
enjoy incredibly short memories.
Jack Merchant
@Ross Johnson i dunno I guess they were better than the Gallant one, because they didn't get reelected either.
Joel Green
@Joel Green Hey CBC, why are you blocking out that man's name?
Joel Green
@Ross Johnson Hey, I'll have
you know, I supported the Liberals in the last election, and I've been
taken aback by the stupidity ever since. After their performance for
the past 4 years, there was no way I was voting for them again. I
really think it was the worst I've seen in a long time. I had lots of
lists for conservative governments, mark my words. I have hope for this
minority government, I just hope I'm not disappointed again.
David Amos
@Joel Green "Hey CBC, why are you blocking out that man's name?"
You know why as well as I
David Amos
@Jack Merchant LOL
Roy Kirk
It'd be nice to see the province governed in a fiscally conservative, socially progressive manner.
Steve Prior
@Roy Kirk
Fiscally conservative and socially progressive cannot be put together.
David Amos
@Steve Prior Not by Higgs anyway
David Kane
NB cant afford 4 more years of Gallant
David Amos
@David Kane True
Rick Given
Hopefully this will prevent what nobody in this province wants...and that's another election.
All I know is when this all unfolded the first thing I said to my wife
was...Higgs and Gallant will never be able to put their egos aside and
actually "work together" for the people of this province. So far my
words have come true and I do not see that changing anytime soon.
Let's just see how this all plays out...shall we.
SarahRose Werner
@Rick Given - *Nobody* in
this province wants another election? Myself, I think it would be a
great second chance for the 33% of the voters who didn't vote in this
one to jump in and participate.
David Amos
@SarahRose Werner I agree
Rick Given
@SarahRose Werner & David Amos
I for one do not want another election. According to the news piece I
watched on the CBC the election on Monday cost between 10 and 11 million
dollars...and that figure is still climbing due to the uncertainty we
find ourselves in. So one could safely assume that another election
would cost roughly the same. Being conservative (no pun intended) that's
about 20 million dollars in total, for possibly the same result, not
money I'd like to see wasted away. I say and so do a whole lot of folks I
have spoken to, let's give this a chance and hopefully for once
politicians can work together for "the people" of this province and not
their own financial future.
Let's just see how this all plays out...shall we.
David Amos
@Rick Given If there is
another election perhaps I will be not barred from debating this time
and more folks will come to understand what I have been trying to tell
them in the past 7 elections I ran in.
Maxim Verite
What is so hard to understand here?
Liberals got 21 seats
PCs got 22
Other parties got 3 apiece
PC's won the election. Now quit being obtuse and get on with it.
Richard W. Woodley
@Maxim Verite
SORRY that is not the way Parliamentary government works. We elect MLAs,
not governments. Whoever can gain the confidence of a majority of MLAs,
regardless what parties they belong to, has the right to govern.
David Amos
@Richard W. Woodley True
Gregg Randall
So after the Liberals get the boot from NB and Quebec we can count on energy east progressing.
We can also count on Trudeau trying to take credit for it, even though it was Liberals holding it back.
Nicolas Krinis
@Gregg Randall JT does not
want a pipeline. It's even harder to get it approved now with the new
impact assessment rules than before. Besides, it wasn't the libs, but
Coderre.
David Amos
@Nicolas Krinis Coderre is a liberal
fred smith
Gallant really doesn't want to relinquish power
David Amos
@fred smith He was told not to
Albert Pierrepoint
I hear that the Iranian Revolutionary Guards Corps are also joining the Liberal Party.
J. Allen Murray
@Albert Pierrepoint
did the stable genius down south tell you that Al...
or is that the "fresh, new and exciting" policies and platforms of Andy
and his unreformed leftover reformers?
David Amos
@J. Allen Murray Methinks it
was just malicious spin put out by your Yankee hero Hillary and the Boyz
to try to scare mindless Maritimers who could not find Iran on a map
N'esy Pas?
Marc Martin
Higgs is doing what he tried
to do when he was with the CoR anti-french party. Good job to those who
voted for the Conservatives you voted for the CoR (PANB) party of NB.
Marguerite Deschamps
@Marc Martin, no truer words were ever spoken!
Albert Pierrepoint
@Marc Martin
Liberals lose!
Dwight Williams
@Marc Martin
NB has serious anglo-franco issues. I've never seen such a clear electoral map.
Marguerite Deschamps
@Dwight Williams, tu as entièrement raison. Deux solitudes dans notre province comme dans notre pays!
Roy Kirk
@Dwight Williams Indeed. It
is sad. Reminds me of the Equal Opportunity debates during the '60's. I
can just barely recall some ugly crowds in Protestant church basements
at that time.
Marguerite Deschamps
@Roy Kirk, with the Baptist pastor, Kris Austin; we can see that nothing has changed.
Jeff LeBlanc
@Marguerite Deschamps go on Radio Canada if you want to post in French this is clearly an English language website and forum
Laurie Clark
@Jeff LeBlanc Canada is a
bilingual county and if you do not like seeing French here then
faites-toi!!! The rules of this site say BOTH official languages
allowed!
Mack Leigh
@Marguerite Deschamps
Tell me exactly how low ?? how low will you go ?? subterranean or lower ??
Marguerite Deschamps
@Jeff LeBlanc; see ! You are proving my point; two solitudes!
Marguerite Deschamps
@Mack Leigh, actually the bar is very low here!
Marc Martin
@Dwight Williams NB has a serious anti-French issue and PANB is promoting all of this with the help of the new CoR leader Higgs
Marguerite Deschamps
@Jeff LeBlanc, why; you don't understand? - Well, that's a shame!
Colin Seeley
@Marguerite Deschamps
Who needs to be bilingual when there is google !
you are totally right. Two solitudes in our province as in our country!
David Amos
@Dwight Williams I agree
Marc Martin
The population of NB voted the CoR party in, the French population better get ready to everything change English only.
Bill Thompson
@Marc Martin
We are good with that.
Joel Green
@Marc Martin That's absolutely ridiculous. You're actually Brian Gallant aren't you? Or Victor Boudreau?
Marguerite Deschamps
@Marc Martin; they will certainly try very hard. You can bet on it!
debi mcdonald
@Joel Green Naw he is that
serge guy that lost his head over busing of the kids, have to keep them
separated at all costs right ? By the way how did the ruling go on that
wee gem ??? LOL
Marc Martin
@Bill Thompson oh we know you are.
Marc Martin
@Joel Green Its not ridiculous as an english person you wouldnt understand this keep voting for CoR
Joel Green
@Marc Martin This is a
bilingual province, as mandated by the constitution. The provincial
government can't come in and suddenly make everything "English only".
Ou peut-etre je suis trop bete pour comprendre.
Marc Martin
@Joel Green
Joel Green you will regret voting for the ancient CoR leader, you will have to live with you error.
David Amos
@Joel Green What makes you think the Charter is a valid document?
Marc Martin
Ah well no surprised there
Higgs was once part of Cor and now he is joining with Cor again, well
done NB you voted for the Cons you voted for the CoR party.
Mack Leigh
@Marc Martin
Just watched the full 4 minutes and 25 second video that blogger Charles
L. made with Kris Austin at 11: 30 this morning.... Austin was just
coming out of his meeting with the LG...Absolutely no mention of siding
with Higgs and the PC's for 18 months.. Austin stated that he wanted to
cooperate with and work with other parties in the best interest of the
people of New Brunswick...Austin said he would work with the PC's , and I quote ,,, " on a case by case basis "... So do you have actual proof that refutes the video..Nope , did not think so.....
David Amos
@Mack Leigh Trust that I downloaded that video as soon as it was published
People's Alliance agrees to support a PC government in N.B. 'bill by bill'
Kris Austin met with New Brunswick's lieutenant-governor Friday morning to discuss working with other parties
CBC News ·
Kris Austin met with Lt.-Gov. Jocelyne Roy Vienneau on Friday morning to discuss working with other parties in the legislature. (CBC)
Progressive Conservative Leader Blaine Higgs says there is no
deal between his party and the People's Alliance to form government,
despite suggestions by Premier Brian Gallant and a statement from
the People's Alliance.
On Friday, People's Alliance Kris
Austin agreed to provide stability for a Progressive Conservative
minority government on a "bill-by-bill basis" for 18 months. Higgs said
he spoke to Austin about stabilizing the government but made no formal
agreement.
The PC Leader's comments capped off a day of
tangled rhetoric, further adding to the confusion following Monday's
provincial election. The results have left two parties jockeying to take
power.
Austin
said he met with Lt.-Gov. Jocelyne Roy Vienneau on Friday morning to
inform her he'd met with Higgs and had discussed working with other
parties in legislature and to let her know about the party's decision.
"We
want to give New Brunswickers some confidence that, as we've said all
along and we continue to say, we will work with Mr. Higgs and the PC
party to go on a bill-by-bill basis to promote stability in government
for 18 months," Austin said.
A People's Alliance release issued
Friday suggested a formal agreement had been struck. Austin later
clarified that "nothing is set in stone."
"This depends entirely on what Mr. Higgs puts forward and how he's willing to co-operate with us," Austin told CBC News.
CBC News
No party has a majority. So what happens next?
New Brunswickers have elected the first legislature since 1920 where no party has a majority. What happens next?! 2:14
Gallant,
the Liberal leader, was quick to say there was a clear deal between the
Tories and the Alliance — something Higgs refuted a short time
thereafter.
"Mr. Gallant wants people to believe that I have a
secret agenda and I made a deal with the People's Alliance," Higgs said.
"Again, what you are witnessing is a desperate attempt to hold onto
power."
'No coalition, no back room deal'
Speaking to
reporters following comments from both Gallant and Austin, Higgs said he
has not met with Austin or his party and there was "no coalition, no
back room deal." The PC leader said he spoke to Austin over the phone.
Both Higgs and Austin said no offers on policy have been made or accepted.
Higgs
said Austin discussed his party's standing in the legislature, but no
commitment was made. He added that the Green Party, which held one seat
in the previous legislature, was granted official party status and the
Alliance should be treated the same.
Who's New Brunswick's next premier: Brian Gallant (left) or Blaine Higgs? (CANADIAN PRESS)
The Tories won 22 seats in Monday's election, one more than the Liberals.
Both
parties fell short of the 25 needed for a majority. But because Gallant
leads the incumbent government, he has the right by convention to try
and win the confidence of the legislature and stay in office.
The
People's Alliance and the Green Party each won three seats Monday. The
Alliance is the only one of the two to indicate which major party it
will support.
Gallant pounces
Gallant criticized the potential partnership while speaking to reporters shortly after the release was issued.
"Clearly,
Blaine Higgs and and Kris Austin have struck a deal," he said. "The
question is: is that deal supported by the entire Progressive
Conservative caucus and the entire People's Alliance caucus?"
The
premier attempted to stoke division within the PC party, saying they
have already heard from "several" Tories concerned about dealing with
the Alliance.
Gallant called on Progressive Conservatives members —
emphasizing the word "progressive" — to take action, from moving
against a deal to even crossing the floor.
The
Alliance's stance on bilingualism and duality has upset the province's
francophone community, and the Tories' lone francophone MLA-elect,
Robert Gauvin, said earlier this week he'd find it difficult to accept
any co-operation between his party and Austin's.
Gallant again named Gauvin while discussing a PC-People's Alliance deal.
Gallant, citing differences in "values," has already closed the door on partnership with the Alliance.
Formal talks with Greens
The
Liberal leader said Friday his party will begin formal discussions
about a confidence and supply agreement with the Green Party on Tuesday.
He said any deal struck between the two would be made public.
Higgs said his party will meet with the Greens on Monday.
Green
Leader David Coon arranged to have individual phone conversations on
Thursday with both Higgs and Gallant to "look at what kind of government
might be built in the legislative assembly."
Green Party Leader David Coon says New Brunswickers want parties to work together in the legislative assembly.
Coon said he will not make a decision until October, after the final results are confirmed.
Gallant
met with Roy Vienneau on Tuesday morning and said she gave him
permission to continue governing while he and his Liberals try to win
the confidence of the legislature.
Higgs had his own
meeting with Roy Vienneau on Thursday. He said afterward that he was
told he would be asked to form a government if the Liberals lose a
confidence vote in the legislature.
Higgs also said
he would not form a coalition with another party or "work things out"
with Gallant. He also said he wouldn't cut any deals to stay in power.
At the meeting with the lieutenant-governor, Higgs said he also asked that the legislature be called back as soon as possible.
Gallant said Wednesday the legislature would be called no later than Oct. 23.
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Methinks after running for public office 7 times against his latest
political party, I suspect that I know the old lawyer Bob Rae better
than most N'esy Pas?
Higgs says lieutenant-governor wants quick resolution on who will govern
Party will not enter into any formal coalitions with any other party
Jacques Poitras · CBC News · Posted: Sep 28, 2018 5:00 AM AT
(The tally was about 122 Comments before a big edit knockked it back to about 85)
105 Comments Commenting is now closed for this story.
Content disabled. Shawn McShane
We need common sense:
11-year-old Sussex girl forced to attend school in Saint John. Policy
321 says French-speaking students shall not be admitted to French
immersion programs in the English school system. The policy has Sonia
Boulianne fuming, her daughter will likely commute daily by taxi, a
78-kilometre, 58-minute trip each way. https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/french-immersion-francophone-school-district-asd-1.4814847
Content disabled. Shawn McShane
How much does a taxi cost each day @ 160-kilometer per day? That is thousands every month. How many children do this?
Content disabled. Laurie Clark
@Shawn McShane You would be shocked at how much money the French School system pays in taxi fees each year!
Content disabled. Rosco holt
@Laurie Clark
Sources please?
Content disabled. Shawn McShane
@Rosco holt I was just
looking it up and came across this: New school in Quispamsis,
Kindergarten to Grade 5. Cost $14 million. In all 153 Francophone
students. Three Students travel to and from School daily by Taxi at a
cost of over $2500.00 per month. https://www.telegraphjournal.com/greater-saint.../2520-a-month-tab-to-transport?
Content disabled. David Amos
@Shawn McShane Oh My an Irving newrag ratted out its political buddies? Now I have seen everything
Content disabled. David Amos
@Shawn McShane Do you recall how many times I ran for public office in that area?
"SUSSEX • One of the province’s most colourful characters this federal
election says he knows a lot about politics, but he has never checked a
ballot.
“I never voted in my life,” David Amos, the province’s only Independent
candidate, said in a meet-and-greet of candidates held in Sussex Tuesday
night.
“Understand the game, never played, never voted.”
The mechanic used to run a motorcycle shop in Four Corners near Sussex,
and added a lively component to the gathering that gave candidates of
Fundy Royal a forum to speak to issues important to the riding, lead by
the Sussex & District Chamber of Commerce.
Incumbent Rob Moore, who is seeking re-election for the Conservatives,
faced off with Amos at the polls before in 2004. At that time Moore took
the riding by a landslide.
Amos told the crowd he offers as an independent because there is no
democracy with towing a party line, as he feels the other candidates do.
“You know how they stand and you must say what they say,” Amos said of
party lines. “I speak for the people. You’re my boss. I would make a
deal with the devil if it behooves what the people want.”
When someone in the crowd referred to a member of parliament as a leader, Amos objected.
“The parliamentarian is your servant,” he said. “He works for you – he’s not your leader. If he re-offers, check his work.”
Content disabled. David Amos
@David Amos The issue of
representation came up when Patricia McKay asked from the audience
whether parties would consider a better way for the electoral system to
function. Last election, she pointed out, the majority of people did not
vote for the Conservatives yet that party formed government.
Simply put, said Moore, every riding chooses their representative which he sees as a fair way to choose a government.
“The person with the most votes goes to Ottawa,” he said. The party with the most representatives become government.
Amos said the system isn’t about to change."
"During the debate Moore went under fire by a member of the audience who
asked why, after five opportunities to speak, he never once mentioned
his leader Stephen Harper’s name.
“I’m running to be member of parliament for this area,” Moore said. “You have to be able to stand on your own two feet.”
He said he respects his leader and feels he has lead the country through
considerable economic challenges. Through Harper’s leadership Moore is
convinced Canada is an envied nation.
He said he won’t, however, “ride on somebody’s coat tails” as he seeks
re-election in Fundy Royal. His hope, he said, is people vote for what
he has done the past 10 years in the riding based on his record.
“Each of us here have to get elected – it’s our name on the ballot,” Moore said.
Content disabled. David Amos
@David Amos Lockhart said she is proud to use her leader Justin Trudeau’s name.
“I’m standing on my own two feet to be a representative of this area,”
he said, “but you have to be proud of your leader as well.”
Jennifer McKenzie, the candidate for the NDP, feels the Harper
government failed in finding opportunities to improve the economic
condition of the country.
“And the Liberal plan is not much better,” she said. She believes like
New Brunswick Liberal Premier Brian Gallant, Trudeau is “likely to do
the opposite of what he said he would do during his campaign.”
Amos laughed at the question directed at Moore.
“He won’t say his boss’s name,” the Independent candidate said.
He said, however, he is not only critical of Harper as the other parties tended to be during the evening.
“I don’t like all the leaders,” he said to a chuckling crowd. "
Sussex candidates split on work opportunities in N.B. TAMMY SCOTT-WALLACE Telegraph-Journal
September 14, 2018
Participating in the Sussex-Fundy-St. Martins meet the candidates
event, hosted by the Chamber of Commerce, are Progressive Conservative
candidate Bruce Northrup; Fred Harrison of the Green party; Liberal Ian
Smyth; Peoples Alliance candidate Jim Bedford and David Amos running as
an Independent.
Photo: Tammy Scott-Wallace/Telegraph-Journal
Content disabled. Therese Benoit
I fail to understand how
having complete bilingual services is anti French. Why cant this be
done? Why can't English and French children ride on the same bus? Why
cant we have a functional amount of bilingual hospital workers to
service both official languages? Why cant we have a functional amount
of education administrators and have 1 school board instead of 2? What
is the issue here? After 50 years you would think this province would
wake up to reality. Its time to cut our spending, balance our books,
and do what is right for all NB, both French AND English!
Content disabled. Rosco holt
@Therese Benoit
There's always been hostilities between the French and English, just read some of the post on this forum.
Content disabled. David Amos
@Rosco holt What a revelation
cheryl wright
in order for the parties to
all work together they will need to check their egos at the door,
something gallant will never be able to do
David Amos
@Marc Martin "Actually the
French people who voted for the Cons would go Liberals after this week.
Another election would be beneficial for the Liberals not the Cons."
Now thats funny
David Amos
@cheryl wright "Gallant is refusing all interviews period."
It appears to be so
Roy Nicholl
@cheryl wright
I was with you up until the ad hominem dig at the end.
Roy Nicholl
@Jim Moore
Very bold of you to make claims for all Anglophones in the province.
David Amos
@Roy Nicholl Methinks you have no problem making ad hominem digs at me N'esy Pas?
David Amos
This was your dig at the same lady yesterday and my response It went from bad to worse after that Correct?
"Roy Nicholl
@cheryl wright Your argument is a strawman. Having no ambulance is an
entirely different matter than having one of the two paramedics be able
to communicate with French or English patients.
David Amos
@Roy Nicholl That was not her argument
David Amos
@cheryl wright For what it is worth I agree with you"
Scott McLaughlin
Bye bye Liberals
Gerry Ferguson
@Scott McLaughlin
Thank heavens that ATCON bunch of crooks is out
David Amos
@Scott McLaughlin The Fat Lady ain't sung yet
Mario Doucet
The liberals can't work with anyone else, kind of explains why NB has a language problem,.
David Amos
@Mario Doucet YUP
Matt Steele
It is understandable that
Higgs is getting annoyed as he and the PCs did win the most seats .
Brian Gallant is in full desperation mode , and is attempting to buy
anyone , and everyone who might be willing to prop up his failed govt .
Either Gallant will realize that he cannot move forward , and give Higgs
the nod ; or a PC MLA will get bought off , and join the Liberal party
thereby giving giving Gallant the right to govern . No doubt there will
be another election within a few months . At this point , it looks like
Robert Gauvin is the weak link in the PC party.......and the waiting
game continues .
David Amos
@Matt Steele "At this point , it looks like Robert Gauvin is the weak link in the PC party"
I agree
David Amos
@Junkman George Bob is not my
uncle so I have no idea how this will play out. BTW my favourite uncle
ran off and joined the Circus years ago and now I understand why.
Mark Deckard
Team Higgs all the way!
David Amos
@Mark Deckard Nope
Roy Nicholl
Blain Higgs stated:
"They vote along with us," he said. "We put motions forward. We don't vote along with other parties. They vote along with us."
That is part of the problem and why you didn't receive a mandate. In
the present minority situation you need to govern through cooperation
and consensus. You may get to sit in the front seat, but you won't be
driving the bus for long if you cannot set-aside partisanship and the
quest for power.
Mack Leigh
@Archie Levesque
Best not to bother Marc Martin with the facts,,, his mind is made up.... He has drunk the " kool-aid " for far too long....
Roy Nicholl
@Paul Black
There are common elements of governance which can be carried forward.
The divergent issues would have to be revisited to either find a common
thread or set aside.
A consensus government would be a good exercise for all the politicians and the elecorate
David Amos
@Roy Nicholl Methinks that according to this article those were the words of the PC's new boss Robert Gauvin N'esy Pas?
Robert Gauvin, elected for the PCs in Shippagan-Lamèque-Miscou, said
they won't be voting with other parties, other parties will be voting
with the PCs. (Radio Canada)
Gauvin also sounded bullish on how much a PC government would need to compromise with the Alliance.
"They vote along with us," he said. "We put motions forward. We don't vote along with other parties. They vote along with us."
David Amos
@Mack Leigh I disagree
Methinks its best to continue to bother Marc Martin with the facts and
his own words in particular in order to embarrass his political bosses
N'esy Pas?
Roy Nicholl
@David Amos
Yes ... if you read my immediate follow-on, I had already identified that this morning.
David Amos
@Roy Nicholl You have never replied to me in an ethical fashion yet. Why should I care about what you write and when?
Mario Doucet
Gallant is among the missing, must be doing some soul searching. The longer he delays the closer we get to an election call.
Mack Leigh
@Mario Doucet
What !!!!!!! Gallant actually has a soul ??????? Wow,,,, did you take a
picture ?? Perhaps it was just a short lived illusion...... No soul, no
conscience..
David Amos
@Mack Leigh I was surprised
by that revelation as well. It is my understanding that lawyers and
politicians are not permitted to have a conscience
Jim Moore
All I can tell you with absolute certainty is it wont be the liberals
David Amos
@Jim Moore Methinks it would not be wise to bet on any possible outcome right now N'esy Pas?
Lloyd Joslin
It will be good to put the anti rnglish in their plaace
Marc Martin
@Lloyd Joslin
ewww lots of grammar error let me help you.
It will be good to put the anti French in their place
Shawn McShane
@Marc Martin There were not
only English speakers in the room. The message of Kris Austin also
reaches some Francophones who believe that it is necessary to use
"common sense." A francophone father believes that the government
should not intervene in linguistic issues.
Un texte de Catherine Allard. ici.radio-canada
David Amos
@Marc Martin Methinks you must be relieved to see the big edit N'esy Pas?
David Amos
@Shawn McShane Did ya notice your words went "Poof"???
Marc Martin
@David Amos
What ?
Anne Bérubé
So if a minister in a certain
area lost and a PC won, who will serve, the minister who lost or the
winner? So if the PC won that riding, will Gallant keep him as a PC
winning MLA? Gee, it looks more and more like some African country, they
also often refuse to admit defeat.
Roy Kirk
@Anne Bérubé Existing
Ministers serve until the Premier asks them to resign. Existing Premier
serves until newly elected MLA force him to relinquish power. And that
takes a meeting of the Leg. Hopefully on or before Oct 23.
David Amos
@Roy Kirk YUP
Roy Kirk
"Asked what the
lieutenant-governor will do if she decides Gallant is taking too long,
Higgs said, "I can't put words in her mouth. She just said to us there's
a sense of urgency, time is of the essence — these words were used —
and we can't allow this to just drag on."
===
The L-G clearly has the reserve power to recall the legislature if
Gallant fails to advise such in a timely fashion. She should exercise
that power if he proposed to delay beyond the schedule sitting of
oct.23rd. Gallants only legitimate discretion is to recall the Leg
prior to that date, which doesn't seem to interest him.
"Gallant said Wednesday the legislature would be called before Oct. 23 or sooner."
Dan Armitage
One thing that is certain
Gallant is Mr dress ups finger puppet. Liberals equals CARBON TAX. Pcs
anti carbon tax. The others don't count. If for one minute carbon tax
was the end all to our emission problems it would have been done a long
time ago just another liberal pipe dream just like that failed gun
registry years ago. Dumb Dumb Dumb
David Amos
@Dan Armitage I concur
Shawn McShane
In BC the Greens and NDP
don't have a coalition: He stressed that the deal will not create a
coalition government, but it will allow the Greens to prop up the NDP as
the governing party. Together, the 41 New Democrat and three Green MLAs
form a majority voting block over the 43 Liberal members of the
legislature.
“What better way to show that proportional representation could work
than by showing that a minority government can and will work in the best
interests of people,” Weaver said.
David Amos
@Shawn McShane How do you explain Weaver approving everything?
Daniel Rawlins
Any relationship that does
not include flexibility, respect and compromise is headed for divorce
... politics is no different. Minority governments should provide the
best governance but we all know that is seldom if ever true. Our elected
representatives obey no master other than the party line and their
leader, after an election voters are forgotten until the next election
call. Elections are not about providing the best for citizens, they are
about POWER no one party has all the solutions but through cooperation
among parties we could get closer to solutions that would benefit all
Canadians ... Grandfather used to say 'Dreams are cheap so Dream Big.'
... yes I know, I'm a Dreamer.
Roy Nicholl
@Daniel Rawlins
It's seldom true due to the hyper-partisan conduct of the political
parties which seek power as their priority. There are many other
democracies in the work which routinely have minority governments which
function just fine.
David Amos
@Roy Nicholl Everybody knows that
David Amos
@Daniel Rawlins Dream on
Dan Armitage
All green voters ask yourself in the next election. Did I vote for green to team up with another party?
Shawn McShane
@Magnus Burnsides I second that for the PA
Roy Nicholl
@Dan Armitage
In our electoral system we are suppose to vote for the local candidate
who we believe will best represent the constituency not a party.
David Amos
@Dan Armitage YUP
David Amos
@Shawn McShane Me Too
Lloyd Joslin
What leader recently change the law and voted himself in for life?
Marc Martin
@Lloyd Joslin
Kris Austin ?
Dan Lee
@Lloyd Joslin
Donald Trump?
Shawn McShane
@Lloyd Joslin Mugabe?
Layton Bennett
@Lloyd Joslin
What are you talking about?
David Amos
@Layton Bennett Who cares?
Barry Odonnell
Greens will cooperate with whomever builds them a few wind turbines
Tim Locke
@Barry Odonnell
They'll be able to get a lot more than that.
David Amos
@Barry Odonnell They are closet liberals anyway
Dan Armitage
I think your parties should
not sway either way. If it was my vote I'd be p issed off. If I wanted
to vote either lib or con I would have done so. Careful on your decision
CO ON.
David Amos
@Dan Armitage Well put
herbie harris
If you wanna see waste how
about an ex mla that asked liberal members for 20 years to support him
and work for him then he runs for the federal seat in a convention and
loses .. So whats he do cries like a baby and switches to the peoples
alliance to support their campaign.. he should be made to give up his
liberal pension that the people earned for him.. he was a casper for 20
years so I see no difference now... unbelievable...
Shawn McShane
@herbie harris Liberal MLA
Victor Boudreau says he's surprised and disappointed his former party
colleague has joined another party.
Nuff said
David Amos
@Shawn McShane Never Nuff Said
herbie harris
If Higgs would go by the law
and stop whining maybe we could get this government started.. And if
after the throne speech higgs isn't happy and only wants to be premier
he will vote against the throne speech only to put the province into
more delays but hey that's all what you people are saying.. If only
gallant or higgs could check there stubborance at the door and work
together for the next 2 to 3 years and put the peoples alliance into the
back corner of the legislature and let people see that really they can
do nothing we could have a majority next time red or blue and get our
province back on track.. The peoples alliance has divided our province
and with no real substance and only 12 percent of the vote WOW.. means
there is 88 percent of the population who would rather see the peoples
alliance washed away.. lets go blaine and brian work together get rid of
Austin and his group they wont be around long...
David Amos
@herbie harris I disagree
Higgs says lieutenant-governor wants quick resolution on who will govern
Party will not enter into any formal coalitions with any other party
Jacques Poitras · CBC News ·
Progressive Conservative Leader Blaine Higgs speaks with reporters after meeting with Lt.-Gov. Jocelyne Roy Vienneau. (Jacques Poitras/CBC)
The post-election manoeuvring continued
Thursday as Progressive Conservative Leader Blaine Higgs began carving
out a path to power after a meeting with New Brunswick's
lieutenant-governor.
Higgs emerged from Government House to tell
reporters that Jocelyne Roy Vienneau has assured him she'll
"immediately" call on him to form a government, without a new election,
if the Liberal government loses a confidence vote in the legislature
this fall.
And
he used that to push Premier Brian Gallant to summon the legislature
quickly, so MLAs can vote on whether to let the Liberal government
survive.
Higgs said the lieutenant-governor herself had timelines in mind.
"She
said this can't go on," he said. "We can't have this instability in the
province. Her role is very much to ensure there is stability. She
doesn't want this to drag out. So she gave every indication this is not
going to go months. It might go days and weeks."
No majority
Asked
what the lieutenant-governor will do if she decides Gallant is taking
too long, Higgs said, "I can't put words in her mouth. She just said to
us there's a sense of urgency, time is of the essence — these words were
used — and we can't allow this to just drag on."
Who's New Brunswick's next premier? Brian Gallant or Blaine Higgs? (CANADIAN PRESS)
Higgs
won 22 seats in Monday's election, one more than Brian Gallant's
Liberals. Both parties fell short of a majority, but because Gallant
leads the incumbent government, he has the right to try to win the
confidence of the legislature and stay in office.
The Liberal
leader said Wednesday that he wants the house to sit in a few weeks and
said it would be November "at the very latest" but "we would prefer to
call it sooner than that."
No coalition
Higgs said
Thursday that major issues such as U.S. tariffs on softwood exports and a
federal ruling on the Liberal carbon tax are looming this fall.
"And
here we are, playing the game of politics when we should be focusing on
the future of our province," he said. "The province deserves and needs a
functioning government."
Meanwhile, the PC leader sought to shore
up his own caucus by announcing a Higgs government would not enter into
any formal coalition with any other political party, including the
People's Alliance.
PC
Leader Blaine Higgs said there will be no coalitions, not even with the
People's Alliance, although that party's leader, Kris Austin, has
indicated he'd likely support the PCs. (CBC)
If
Higgs can win the votes of the Greens or the People's Alliance — each
has three MLAs — he can eke out a functioning majority in the
legislature.
On Tuesday, new PC MLA Robert Gauvin said he would
have "a lot of difficulty associating with" the Alliance because of its
criticism of official bilingualism and language duality.
But at the first meeting of the new caucus Thursday, Gauvin told reporters Higgs's promise satisfies him.
"There is no coalition," he said. "There won't be any coalition. No deals. We stand united for the principles of this party."
Language commitment 'solid'
Higgs
made similar comments, saying the party's commitment to language rights
is "solid. … [Gauvin] doesn't need to worry in any form that we are
going to compromise our principles and values that we cherish as a
bilingual province."
Gauvin also sounded bullish on how much a PC government would need to compromise with the Alliance.
Robert
Gauvin, elected for the PCs in Shippagan-Lamèque-Miscou, said they
won't be voting with other parties, other parties will be voting with
the PCs. (Radio Canada)
"They vote along with us," he said. "We put motions forward. We don't vote along with other parties. They vote along with us."
Even
without a formal coalition, Higgs said he hopes to work out an
arrangement where the smaller parties would let a minority government
last at least 12 to 24 months.
Higgs's manoeuvring to position
himself as a government-in-waiting came a day after Gallant announced
the Liberals would offer to negotiate some kind of agreement with the
three Green MLAs to win the confidence of the house.
Willing to deal
Green Party Leader David Coon said Thursday his party is willing to make a deal with either the Liberals or the PCs.
Green Party Leader David Coon said his party is willing to make a deal with either the Liberals or the PCs.
Coon
said the Greens would be willing to support a minority government on
confidence and budget votes for a fixed period of time.
"We need a stable government that's going to last," he said.
He
did not say what his party would be looking for in return, and he
acknowledged that a Liberal-Green deal would still not give Gallant a
majority in the legislature.
Thursday also saw new accusations of the Liberals and PCs trying to persuade each other's MLAs to cross the floor.
The Liberals released an email sent to MLA Brian Kenny from PC staffer François Robichaud to "discuss the next government."
Higgs
said the email was "disappointing for me … I have not authorized anyone
to go talk to anyone about crossing the floor. … If people want to join
our party, that's fine, but I'm not going to buy their support."
Methinks after running for public office 7 times against his latest
political party, I suspect that I know the old lawyer Bob Rae better
than most N'esy Pas?
Greens predict 'tough negotiations' with Liberals, PCs over governing partnership
Brian Gallant announced the Liberals will approach the Green Party in hopes of forming a partnership
Elizabeth Fraser · CBC News · Posted: Sep 27, 2018 8:13 AM AT
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Shawn McShane
It is unacceptable that some
in NB are signing petitions warning the PCs and Liberals that they
better not form a coalition with the People's Alliance.
Is this even legal? Doesn't this undermine our democratic process?
Tim Raworth
@Shawn McShane Welcome to NB The English don't matter.
wayne guitard
@Shawn McShane Maybe all those Acadian politicians should try and create their own province.
Barry Odonnell
@Shawn McShane The Acadian
Federation is sacred to death that they may lose some of the
entitlements they feel entitled to. Now they are trying to intimidate
people.
Mack Lei
@Barry Odonnell
I did not realize that they had ever stopped trying to intimidate people
.. They have their hired gun, MD , always at the ready to stir things
up..
Marc Martin
@Shawn McShane
That's actually legal, since they are not running for election.
Marc Martin
@Tim Raworth
Poor you....
David Amos
@Marc Martin "That's actually legal, since they are not running for election."
I doubt that you even know a lawyer very well.
David Amos
@Tim Raworth "Welcome to NB The English don't matter."
Welcome to the Circus
Matt Steele
If the Greens make a deal
with Gallants Liberals ; then the Greens will be absorbed , and the
Green party will completely disappear as a political party . The folks
that voted for the Greens will probably never do so again after being
betrayed . Just like how the NDP never recovered after Former Premier
Bernard Lord bought former NDP MLA Elizabeth Weir off with a high paying
govt. job . Brian Gallant will say or do anything at this point to
stay in power , and he will destroy the Green party in doing so It is
what it is folks .
Marguerite Deschamps
@Matt Steele, the myth that
the voters gave a mandate to the Green and the People's Alliance to run
the province needs to be debunked. It just happened that way.
What actually happened is that 37.8%, the most of any party, voted
liberal, therefore rejecting the right of the People's Alliance to
govern which does not give them the mandate to hold the rest of the
province hostage trying to get their ways. If there is another election,
they may get more votes which might well also let some Liberal
candidates slip in or they may get turfed in favour of giving a major
party a strong government mandate. They too, like all the other MLAs are
walking on egg shells.
Darryl Smith
@Marguerite Deschamps except
one thing in your post is irrelevant. The popular vote does not give
you power in our system. If the Premier was an honorable man he would
resign and let Mr Higgs take his rightful place
Marguerite Deschamps
@Darryl Smith; Higgs does NOT
have his rightful place neither in law nor in fact. All political and
law experts are unanimous that the Premier has the first right to
attempt to form a government. In fact, if there was proportional
representation, the Liberals would have 19 seats to the PC's six. But
that's your opinion, and you are entitled to it, even though I beg to
differ. The difference is that I have the experts to back me up.
Marguerite Deschamps
... about his rightful mandate to govern, Higgs is the most deceitful of them all!
Mack Leigh
@Marguerite Deschamps
The only one's holding this province hostage are the " special "
interest such as the likes of the SANB... Approximately 50,000. people
voted for the People's Alliance for a reason... The majority are fed up
with the Red/Blue merry-go-round... People are fed up with the millions
in corporate handouts every year.... People are fed up with the blatant
pandering to one community over and above all others... People are fed
up with being made to feel like second class citizens as well as being
disenfranchised..... People are fed up with the forced social
engineering that has been going on for decades..... People are fed up
with blatant government waste, scandal after scandal, no accountability,
no integrity , no openness and no honesty.... People are fed up with
being played as suckers....both by politicians and special self serving
interest groups...
Marguerite Deschamps
@Mack Leigh, 47 840 old frustrated voters out of 380 363 votes cast. And you think this gives them the mandate to govern? Wow!
Marc Martin
@Darryl Smith
*The popular vote does not give you power in our system*
Actually it does in NB when the government is in a minority situation, time for you to go back to school.
Marc Martin
@Mack Leigh
*The only one's holding this province hostage are the " special " interest such as the likes of the SANB*
Name me one thing the French got that you don't ? Guess what you wont find anything.
*Approximately 50,000. people voted for the People's Alliance for a
reason... The majority are fed up with the Red/Blue merry-go-round*
50 000 out of 500 00+....that's around 12% right ? That's the majority ? Is that PANB math?
Marc Martin
@Mack Leigh
*People are fed up with being made to feel like second class citizens as well as being disenfranchised*
Again please point to me what the French have you don't ?
Al Bekirkey
well green and pa combined is
a quarter of the pop to get out from under the suffocating red and blue
blanket. everyone is willing to work together with the exception of the
society
Mack Leigh
@Marc Martin
Lets' see !1. Their own health care system.... 2.. Their own education
system... 3... Their own school bus system....4...The majority of all
government jobs....5.. Unwarranted funding from both the federal and
provincial governments i.e. taxpayers......5.... Extra funding ( over
$1ooo.oo ) per student for the education system......6.....Secret behind
closed door meetings regarding policy and language that affect every
person in this province..... Should I continue ??? By the way do not
assume that I am " English " which you quite conveniently do, trying to
fit everyone who is not french into one little slot...... I am
German.... However neither myself nor anyone else of all other languages
and cultures outside the francophone community would even think of
being so arrogant as to demand preferential treatment ... Preferential
treatment over and above every other community in this province....
Marc Martin
@Mack Leigh
*Their own health care system* so does the English
*Their own education system* So does the English
*Their own school bus system* So does the English
*The majority of all government jobs*
Let see... The English have 46% of the provincial jobs, We have 12 % the rest are Bilingual.
*Unwarranted funding from both the federal and provincial governments i.e. taxpayers*
The English have their share.
*Extra funding ( over $1ooo.oo ) per student for the education system*
The English population of NB have 72% of the schools for 68% of the population I think you have the advantage there buddy.
*behind closed door meetings regarding policy and language that affect every person in this province*
That's the same in every government.
*Preferential treatment over and above every other community in this province*
Your German, maybe they forgot to tell you that there is 2 official
language in Canada and no German is not one of them but French is.
You see you have all the right and even more then the French population, thanks for proving me right.
Marguerite Deschamps
@Darryl Smith, Bob Rae,
another one with much more experience than you and me put together
pertaining to the political situation created by the results of this
election confirms that it's Premier Gallant who has the legitimacy to
try to form a government; but somehow you and a few others are totally
convinced that you have the right answer! Wow! https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/bob-rae-minority-government-populism-human-rights-1.4840752
Mack Leigh
@Marc Martin
I am German .... So I demand all services in German... I demand my own
education system, health care system, buses, priority on all jobs, all
government services to be able to serve me in German, millions in
funding both federally and provincially including Heritage Canada, my
own little behind door meetings with government , etc., etc., Then my
Gaelic speaking friends would all like everything in Gaelic as well,
and my Italian speaking friends, my Hebrew speaking friends, Korean,
Arabic, Japanese, Chinese, Polish, Dutch, etc., etc., etc,. ... Surely
you are not so obtuse that this is not.... not , French against
English...... Your ilk demand preferential treatment including all
funding over and above every other language and culture in this
province....... and it is wrong.....
Marc Martin
@Mack Leigh
*I am German .... So I demand all services in German*
German is not an official language, if its so much trouble staying here well there is always Germany.....
*Your ilk demand preferential treatment including all funding over and
above every other language and culture in this province....... and it is
wrong.....*
Its not wrong its our right. There is 2 official language in Canada,
French and English if you dont understand that then maybe thi is
something deeper and you need to seek some help.
Marc Martin
@Mack Leigh
* Approximately 50,000. people voted for the People's Alliance for a reason*
Yep the same old CoR crowd.
David Amos
@Marc Martin "Again please point to me what the French have you don't ?"
Methinks that lucrative employment as a bureaucrat makes the top of my list and yours as well N'esy Pas?
David Amos
@Marguerite Deschamps
Methinks after running for public office 6 times against his latest
political party, I suspect that I know the old lawyer Bob Rae far better
than you do N'esy Pas?
PC Leader Blaine Higgs says he expects to govern eventually but won't cut deals
Higgs says Lt.-Gov. Jocelyne Roy Vienneau told him he'll be asked to govern if Gallant loses confidence vote
Elizabeth Fraser · CBC News ·
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Archie Levesque
Liberals are too busy running a smear campaign against the PANB to recall the Legislature any time soon
David Amos
@Archie Levesque YUP
David Amos
@Marc Martin "So lets make everything French to save money then ? What do say you champ ?"
Oh My My Methinks you should move back to Quebec ASAP Oh thats right the liberals are losing there as well N'esy Pas?
John Pokiok
Welcome to new Brunswick where French rule and English pay for it.
David Amos
@Marc Martin "Acadian society is not a political party."
Correct Methinks that they just play at politics tis all N'esy Pas?
David Amos
@John Pokiok Methinks many a true word is said in jest N'esy Pas?
Matt Steele
Hopefully , Brian Gallant
will grow up , and move on as there is no way that he can form govt.
with his current seat count . With the instability of not having a govt.
; the province's credit rating is bound to go downhill quickly . The
prov. already owes nearly 14.5 BILLION dollars , and pays nearly 2
MILLION per day just in interest on the debt . With a dead economy , and
one of the oldest populations in Canada.....the taxpayers are going to
be in for a very rough ride ! Maybe Higgs can turn it around with his
business experience .
Marc Martin
@Matt Steele
No government can function right now Cons or Libs, just do another eection.
Marc LeBlanc
@Marc Martin I think you guys
are right.No matter how you try to figure this out barring a floor
crossing of 3 or more MLA's we're headed back to the polls.With such a
polarized electorate there would likely be a much higher turnout.I'm not
sure how that would help/hurt either of the parties
Shawn McShane
@Marc Martin Just add the
costs of another eection to the growing debt pile, money is no object
when it comes to certain interests...in this place.
Frank Knowles
@Matt Steele
Even if the libs loose a confidence vote, you'll be in a stalemate
position where nothing will be done. PA won't agree with Green, and
after PC's choose a speaker they are down to 21 just like the Libs.
Nothing will get passed, there will be no changes. Let's face it another
election is only months away.
Junkman George
@Matt Steele
It will take control of 25 seats for a party to govern. By refusing to
"do any deals" good old Blaine Higgs has eliminated himself from
governing. Maybe a recount will be kind to Blaine, maybe it
won't............ but by placing his head where the sun doesn't shine he
isn't doing anyone any favours.
Marc Martin
@Shawn McShane
I honestly think its going to cost more if this madness goes on for over a year...
Paul Arseneault
@Matt Steele Didn't say that
quite obviously. My point is that the path to a ruling coalition is more
fraught with peril for Mr. Higgs than it is for Mr. Gallant This is not
just short term either, but long term as well. The decision to stay in
power was a smart tactical move my Mr. Gallant, and it leaves both Mr.
Higgs and Robert Gauvin in a no win situation.
David Amos
@Marc Martin "I honestly think its going to cost more if this madness goes on for over a year"
You should know
David Amos
@Junkman George Methinks his
hero Harper ruled over us with a minority mandate for years so if Higgs
is clever he could too N'esy Pas?
Marc LeBlanc
I remember fondly my father saying "You can see a persons true character by the way they handle defeat and not victory"
Marguerite Deschamps
@Marc LeBlanc; then they are both guilty of that!
Frank Knowles
@Marc LeBlanc
You're father sounds like he didn't understand how our provincial government works and passed that on to you.
David Amos
@Marc LeBlanc I agree with your Father
David Amos
@Frank Knowles Methinks your Father failed to enlighten you as to when not to say anything N'esy Pas?
Lou Bell
Meanwhile , the tail is
desperate to continue wagging the dog , as 14 municipalities and 19
mayors have signed a memo of understanding rejecting any coalition by
any party with the PA , citing false facts such as all the business
bilingualism has brought to the flailing province. The province is , and
has , been in a downward spiral and will continue until changes are
made. Bilingualism SHOULD NEVER trump health and education, and yet it does . Trying to
somehow use how great it has been for business just doesn't add up and
the majority are tired of the spin they're being fed. Gallant and his
Acadian Party need to step aside .
Shawn McShane
@Lou Bell I think what they
did is wrong and could possibly fall under Offences respecting undue
influence...to induce or compel?
Marc Martin
@Lou Bell
*the tail is desperate to continue wagging the dog *
Don't be so bad on yourself, you don't have to call yourself that word.
*citing false facts such as all the business bilingualism has brought to the flailing province.*
Just in Federal government jobs it brought over 3000 + that's not
counting the private jobs, and these are not made up facts like PANB.
*Bilingualism SHOULD NEVER trump health and education, and yet it does*
Wrong again, pls tell me what does Health and Education have to do anything about funding ?
*Trying to somehow use how great it has been for business *
It does for private and Federal government jobs that's a fact.
David Amos
@Lou Bell Methinks Gallant and his Acadian buddies have upset many Maritimers N'esy Pas?
David Amos
@Marc Martin "Don't be so bad on yourself, you don't have to call yourself that word."
Methinks your liberal cohorts must be very proud of you this morning N'esy Pas?
Matt Steele
It looks like another
election is on the way by Christmas . Gallants Liberal party will now be
seen as the Acadian party , and will lose thousands of votes from
Anglophones . The PCs and the Greens will also lose votes heavily ; and
the Peoples Alliance will pick up thousands of new votes from
Anglophones who view Kris Austin as being bullied by the Acadian
Society.....interesting times in politics for sure . The parties had
better start fund raising ASAP !!!!!
Marc LeBlanc
@Matt Steele ...I think that sums it up rather well
Marc Martin
@Matt Steele
*Gallants Liberal party will now be seen as the Acadian party*
I didn't know Acadians ruled Saint John and Moncton......
*and the Peoples Alliance will pick up thousands of new votes from
Anglophones who view Kris Austin as being bullied by the Acadian
Society*
This made me laugh :)
Paul Black
@Marc Martin Truth can be funny but in this case it is not funny. @Marc Leblanc is telling exactly like it is.
Bernard McIntyre
@Marc Martin. Explain how 1 out of 6 riding in Saint John won by the Liberal's makes them the rulers. Must be Liberal math.
Jake Quinlan
@Marc Martin Did you (pretty sure it was you) not say PANB wouldn't get a seat?
Marc Martin
@Bernard McIntyre
Well it does not make them a ruler but if you can read..well I assume you can...It was about this:
*Anglophones who view Kris Austin as being bullied by the Acadian Society*
I was pointing out the Acadians don't live in ALL the French
communities...But hey that's PANB voters think, actually im not sure
they are able to.
Marc Martin
@Jake Quinlan
Nope but I did say they would not get more then one, I guess the virus they are spreading has reach other poor souls.
Pierre LaRoches
@Matt Steele Fitting as when
the separatist Parti Acadien folded, the rejects all went to the Liberal
party and related organizations like SANB
Bernard McIntyre
@Marc Martin . Me read reel good. Seems you only read what you want to hear.
David Amos
@Matt Steele I agree if there
is another election soon the liberals and the conservatives will regret
it bigtime. Hence I suspect that Higgs will be permitted to have a stab
at a minority mandate.
David Amos
@Bernard McIntyre "Me read reel good."
Me Too
Anne Bérubé
Two things here, the first is
that the L.G. is pulling for the liberals, no doubt, the second is that
she is letting Gallant in place long enough for him to place his
'favorite' staffers in secured jobs. Anyone who has worked for the New
Brunswick government, knows this, every election bring the same results
in that regard. And Gallant wants a job offer for after the facts as
well, Mr. McKenna, where are you?
Marguerite Deschamps
@Anne Bérubé, then they are all the same, is what you're saying.
Marc LeBlanc
@Anne Bérubé You just know that Frankie and Dominic are all over this
Marc LeBlanc
@Marguerite Deschamps No
they're not.However it's well known that there is a hierarchy within the
Liberal party that has absolute control.The newly elected Green from
Kent North said on the radio yesterday that in speaking to past and
present Liberal MLA's they told him they have been "intimidated "to tow
the party line.That's not a democracy!
Paul Arseneault
@Anne Bérubé Actually, at
this point it seems it is becoming more increasingly difficult for the
PC party. Mr. Higgs would not dare try to form a PC/PA coalition without
the support of Robert Gauvin and there is no way that is happening.
Bernard McIntyre
@Paul Arseneault. So your saying that Robert Gavin rules the P.C Party not Mr. Higgs or the other 20 M.L.A's.
Marc LeBlanc
@Paul Arseneault Even if that happens the math still won't work.After appointing a speaker they would be a vote short
Bernard McIntyre
@Marc LeBlanc. The speaker still has a vote in case of a tie.
Shawn McShane
@Bernard McIntyre Robert
Gauvin said he's opposed to the positions of the People's Alliance, but
Tory Leader Blaine Higgs says Gauvin is "fully onside."
Bernard McIntyre
@Shawn McShane. Typical polotiction ansewers.
Marguerite Deschamps
@Marc LeBlanc; are you saying
that only the LIberals are control freaks when it comes to towing the
party line? How soon one forgets Dr. Parrot in the ALward government?
Frank Knowles
@Anne Bérubé
First : you don't understand how the political systems work in this province. Second: nope covered it all in one point.
Marc Martin
@Shawn McShane
That's because he has not seem the rope and tree where they plan to hang him yet.
Paul Arseneault
@Bernard McIntyre Didn't say
that quite obviously. My point is that the path to a ruling coalition is
more fraught with peril for Mr. Higgs than it is for Mr. Gallant This
is not just short term either, but long term as well. The decision to
stay in power was a smart tactical move my Mr. Gallant, and it leaves
both Mr. Higgs and Robert Gauvin in a no win situation.
David Amos
@Marc LeBlanc I too heard
what the Green from Kent North said on the radio yesterday, choked on my
coffee and nearly died laughing. You do understand a former president
of the Acadian Society wanted to the the liberal candidate and was
rejected so he turned Green?
"Liberal candidate Emery Comeau is trying to hold onto the riding, but
the Greens are hoping that Kevin Arseneau may be able to break through.
The Greens placed second in the riding in 2014, so there is a base of
support for the party in the riding. Arseneau is a former president of
the Acadian society and he had wanted to run for the Liberals in the
riding. However, the Liberals did not approve his candidacy, so Arseneau
switched to the Greens."
David Amos
@Marc LeBlanc "You just know that Frankie and Dominic are all over this"
I concur
Murray Brown
Not a fan of Higgs, but this
dude has a more reasonable chance of forming a government and it's high
time for one to be formed. NB's credit rating may take a hit due to the
uncertainty and that is not acceptable. The LG needs to see the light
and figure out the obvious... Just like the Captain on those
commercials.
William Reed
@Murray Brown
The cons have no real plans other than cutting taxes to special
interests (not you), lowering government revenues and pumping out more
natural resources to extractive industries in a coercive effort to have
NB think that's the only real option we have.
Paul Black
@William Reed Doesn't matter.
They won and will assume power, albeit short lived. The PA and PC
partnership will assume control. That is a fact. It will not last though
as the 'language' issue will cause a split and an election called soon
after. I give it a year...max.
James Reed
@Paul Black
A PC and PA partnership can't even make it past the first vote if they don't have the support of another Liberal or Green.
Johnny Horton
@Paul Black
No. Gauvin will have to cross the floor if there’s a formal pc/pa agreement,
Marc Martin
@Paul Black
They wont have enough votes, they need 25 and appointing a speaker will leave them with 24.
David Amos
@Marc Martin Methinks you have no understanding of a minority mandate N'esy Pas?
David Amos
@Johnny Horton "Gauvin will have to cross the floor if there’s a formal pc/pa agreement,"
Methinks Gauvin claims that issue has been resolved N'esy Pas?
Paul Black
Just in... Higgs as ruled out
working with any of the 3 parties to form a government. He wants to
govern. My guess is that he will let Gallant take a shot at confidence
and cause another election.
Frank Knowles
@Paul Black
If Higgs won't work with the other 3 parties to form government he'll
likely not get to govern. PC's tend to forget this is not a dictatorship
we live in.
David Amos
@Frank Knowles Methinks the
Crown should agree that Higgs can still rule over us without making
deals with any other party N'esy Pas?
David Amos
@Paul Black Don't bet the farm on it.
stephen blunston
what a farce politics is , I
don't think gallant has any rights , but laws say otherwise. I hope we
don't have another useless election that we cant afford , but at bare
min, legislature should have already been recalled for Gallant to try
and get their support to govern. this should have already been done so
the leg can vote in the 2 weeks they are allowed to think about it ..
delay delay avoid and bill the taxpayers
Junkman George
@stephen blunston
Nothing can happen before a re-count in the close ridings. Everybody is jumping the gun, you, the CBC, and Higgs.
David Amos
@Junkman George YUP
David Amos
@Junkman George "The legislature is set to resume Oct. 23, a date set long before the election and subject to change. "
Matt Steele
The reason that bilingualism
has failed is that there is very little demand for french in North
America . If someone who spoke only french traveled across Canada and
the U.S. ; they would find it impossible to get service in french . N.B.
, one of the smallest , and poorest provinces in Canada , was used as a
test subject to see if official bilingualism would work , and the
experiment failed . There is a reason why N.B. is the ONLY officially
bilingual province in Canada . It is what it is folks , and it will
never change .
Marc Martin
@Matt Steele
*is that there is very little demand for french in North America *
There is a province named Quebec that is French you didn't know ?
*who spoke only french traveled across Canada and the U.S. ; they would find it impossible to get service in french *
You don't have to cross Quebec to go into Ontario you didn't know ?
Bernard McIntyre
@Marc Martin. No you can go through the U.S.
Marty Joy
@Matt Steele
There are plenty of French communities in the USA. You have to
understand that the land was established by French colonist and with the
great expulsion the French colonist ended up even more south then they
were before the expulsion.
In terms of a failed experiment, No. People had a head on their
shoulders back in the day and were already aware that if there was
nothing done to protect French heritage it would be lost to assimilation
in a matter of generations. That's why our linguistic rights as French
in New Brunswick were entrenched in the charter of rights and not just
left to the province to decide.
David Amos
@Marc Martin Scroll up an read the whole file
For those who say that French
is irrelevant as a world language, you are wrong. French-speaking
populations are growing faster than English- and Mandarin-speaking ones.
Sub-saharan Africa is the fastest growing area in the world and is
mainly composed of French-speaking country.
By 2050, it is expected that that 8% of the world population will be French speaking, behind only English and Mandarin.
Add to that the anglo-saxon powerhouses, USA (Trump) and UK (Brexit) are
losing international influence thanks to there isolationists government
while France is trying to fill the void.
We are lucky enough in NB to be able to learn and use both English and French. Lets be proud of it :)
Shawn McShane
@ no-name French-speaking
populations are growing fast in former French colonies in Africa and the
ME. French Sudan/Mali fell under French colonial rule in 1892. total
fertility rate is high at 6.4 children per woman. Haiti, Algeria,
Tunisia, Morroco, Nigeria, Gambia, Chad, Congo...Africa has high
population growth rates in comparison to other continents.and some of
the highest birthrates in the world.
@Marc Martin Francophonie
action plan is to bring in a lot of people from the former French
colonies in Africa to raise the Francophone numbers in New Brunswick and
to fill the phantom labor shortages here. FPT Action Plan for
Increasing Francophone Immigration
Outside of Quebec integration and retention of French-speaking immigrants to Francophone Minority Communities (FMCs),
David Amos
@Marc Martin I see one on the top of your head Is that the one you are referring to?
Bernard McIntyre
After 52 years of French
immersion ( I myself was selected to go to French classes in1966 in
Saint John in which I had to catch a school bus while my friends walked
to school) you would think this province would be bilingual by now?
Seems to me this system isn't working, or do the education departments
not want it to work? 52 years, come on something has to change. Was I
bilingual after grade 2 to 11, no.
Marc Martin
@Bernard McIntyre
*After 52 years of French immersion*
French immersion has been created in the early years of 2000, so again keep on showing you ignorance.
Bernard McIntyre
@Marc Martin So I see who is
the uneducated one here. Grade 2,3 4 Woodlawn School. grade 5 Glen
Falls School,6 Foresthills School,7,8,9 Baysid Jr. School,10,11 Saint
John High School. See i have dates unlike yourself who just says what he
thinks are right. Look in the mirror if you want to see ignorance.
reginald churchill
@Marc Martin I know that you being a super highly intelligent francophone and are never wrong but my son was in
French immersion in 1989.
Shawn McShane
@Marc Martin Cross Country
Checkup Archive documentary on French immersion 1988 ( still true
today) : In New Brunswick, schools designed by and for Francophones are
expanding, as are English schools with French immersion—but not quite
enough to meet the demand. Some Anglophone parents, concerned about the
availability of French immersion are choosing the French school system
to ensure their children learn in French. (Francophones banned that)
David Amos
@Shawn McShane Methinks that by now you must realize who you are arguing with N'esy Pas?
Marc Martin
The PANB leader should stop
refusing the French interviews from French media, your not anti-French
then put your money where you mouth is.
Pierre LaRoches
@Marc Martin Being unable to
speak French does not make a person anti-French. It means they gre up
in most of NB where the French language instruction is horrid and has no
real chance of helping anyone learn the language.
Marc Martin
@Pierre LaRoches
What are you talking about ? When French media interview English people
they always have a translator..So again what are you talking about ??
David Amos
@Marc Martin Cry me a river
Gil Murray
I understand why the
Francophone population wants services in their language, especially
those who really do not have the best grasp on English. I don't think I
would want to attempt to explain a medical emergency to someone who
cannot understand me. I have met many of these folks up north and they
have always tried their best to speak with me in English. They are good
people.
I do think the fiction that is official bilingualism in NB has created
much more than that though. There are clearly many people who are
distinctly advantaged by this, at least in the urban centers, and
certainly in Fredericton. They do not want anything to erode these
advantages which typically translate some sort of power (financial,
political, influence, etc.)
If this province were really bilingual in any real sense, then there
would be no advantage for anyone. I don't believe that will ever happen
and as such, the concept of bilingualism in this province is a failure.
Marc Martin
@Gil Murray
*especially those who really do not have the best grasp on English*
The thing is that anyone facing a health crisis will revolve at using
French forgetting all use of the English language, for me id be
comfortable that at least 1 out of the 2 paramedic is bilingual, its
just common sense. But for some the English population its all about
bitterness, jealousy and government jobs.
*There are clearly many people who are distinctly advantaged by this, at
least in the urban centers, and certainly in Fredericton*
I don't understand why I am advantaged by this in Fredericton ?
*then there would be no advantage for anyone*
Again what are those advantages your talking about?
Gil Murray
@Marc Martin
As it is for some Francophones - bitterness over past wrongs, jealousy
over what think others have that they do not have, and government job
(take a look at postings, which I am now certain you can). Very human
traits.
You just named the main advantage that bilingualism has brought,
especially in Fredericton and you know it is true. Bilingualism is a way
to achieve a position you may not otherwise have the qualifications to
fill. Competencies are not the same thing. Why is language testing in
government only applied to Anglophones?
Pierre LaRoches
@Marc Martin your job only
exists to feed the translation monster that exists inside the civil
service. Stop playing naïve here.
Marc Martin
@Gil Murray
The Francophones don't have any bitterness or jealousy they are currently fighting for rights they acquired.
*and government job (take a look at postings, which I am now certain you can). *
What about government job postings ?
*Bilingualism is a way to achieve a position you may not otherwise have the qualifications to fill.*
Who are you to say the people currently employed do not have the qualifications ?
*Competencies are not the same thing. Why is language testing in government only applied to Anglophones?*
WRONG there you go let out your ignorance, the French are tested like the Anglophones are.
Thanks for proving again this is about bitterness, jealousy about government job.
By the way language is a competency whether you like it or not.
Shawn McShane
@Marc Martin 1 out of the 2
paramedic is bilingual, its just common sense? How about 2 out of 2
are uni lingual French where the whole area is Francophone, 2 out of 2
uni lingual English where the area is all Anglophone and 1 out of 2
paramedic is bilingual where the numbers warrant. That is common
sense.
Marc Martin
@Shawn McShane
You don't make any sense because you can find French and English people
across NB. This is all about jealousy and bitterness thanks for proving
my point.
Shawn McShane
@Marc Martin 110 unfilled
paramedic positions. I live rural. I don't care if the paramedic can't
speak at all. I don't want to die waiting for the damn ambulance. You
on the other hand are willing to die for your cause?
David Amos
@Shawn McShane Naw he just talks tough
Marc Martin
PANB Kris Austin refused
several interview from francophone media to defend his point of views,
proving his bigotry for the French population.
PANB = CoR
David Amos
@Marc Martin Why is CBC blocking my replies?
David Amos
@Marc Martin Methinks the
election results forever prove that there was no misunderstanding about
the French versus English issues among the voters N'esy Pas?
The politicians can play dumb all they wish but they must know that they are not fooling anyone
"People's Alliance Leader Kris Austin believes there has been a big
misunderstanding about his party's stand on language rights in the
province.
The statement comes on the heels of an increasing number of voices being
raised by Acadian groups, warning against a possible coalition
involving the three elected Alliance MLAs.
They could hold the balance of power in a minority government.
Liberal and Green Party leaders have also been categorical in rejecting
any notion of aligning with the party, on the basis of the language
elements of its platform.
So was the Conservatives' only elected francophone candidate, Robert Gauvin, who won in Shippagan-Lamèque-Miscou.
"It's just really unfortunate that that's what being perpetuated by some people out there," said Kris Austin.
"I think it's fear-mongering among some elite groups."
"Kevin Arseneau, winner in the riding of Kent North when asked who the
Green Party would likely form an alliance with, the new MLA said he
wasn't sure, since the party has a trust and confidence problem with the
Liberals and an ideology problem with the PCs."
Marc Martin
@David Amos
You should see what they block from me.
Marc Martin
@David Amos
Then why did Kris Austin refused any interview from French media ? If
there is a misunderstanding he could have made it clear there right ?
And why didn't he have any people riding in French ridings ? Why in the
past 4 years did he attend all the anti-French rally in Fredericton? You
can try to defend him all you want but he's not defendable, facts speak
for themselves.
Bernard McIntyre
@Marc Martin. Are you still living in 1991again. I thought you said you were well educated?
Bernard McIntyre
@Marc Martin .Most likely the French media didn't offer Mr. Austin an interview.
Bernard McIntyre
@Marc Martin Name the dates for this interviews you state.
Marc Martin
@Bernard McIntyre
Please ask questions with correct structure of English phrases.
*Are you still living in 1991again. I thought you said you were well educated?*
I have no idea what kind of question or what this is related too..
Marc Martin
@Bernard McIntyre
Actually they did and he refused, the truth hurts eh.
Marc Martin
@Bernard McIntyre
*Name the dates for this interviews you state.*
Google is your friend, learn how to use it.
Bernard McIntyre
@Marc Martin. I never once said I was well educated like you have many times and the saying means stop living in the past.
Bernard McIntyre
@Marc Martin Still haven' told us these dates? Guess your just giving fake news. Have to start calling you Mr. President.
Marc Martin
@Bernard McIntyre
*stop living in the past*
This is happening now, its not in the past.
Marc Martin
@Bernard McIntyre
*Still haven' told us these dates?*
Like I said before do your own research. Good luck with your CoR vote.
Bernard McIntyre
@Marc Martin. If your so good with google. Tell us the dates.
David Amos
@Marc Martin "You should see what they block from me."
I am surprised at what they allow you to publish. I can only imagine how rude you truly are.
David Amos
@Marc Martin I don't care about Kris Austin I ran against him and all his political cohorts remember?
David Amos
@Marc Martin "Google is your friend, learn how to use it."
Methinks you should take your own advice N'esy Pas?
Marc Martin
@David Amos
*I don't care about Kris Austin I ran against him and all his political cohorts remember?*
then why reply to this post ? Its a post on Kris Austin.
Marc Martin
@David Amos
Getting mad because I've exposed you david ?
Bernard McIntyre
@Marc Martin. Yes I know. But you seem to not relize this.
Marc Martin
@Bernard McIntyre
*Yes I know. But you seem to not relize this.*
Like always you don't make any sense...I don't even know why you wrote this...
David Amos
@Marc Martin Methinsk many folks wonder the same thing about you N'esy Pas?
Fred Brewer
I cannot understand how some people value language over life.
Marc Martin
@Fred Brewer
You should take you own advice ?
David Amos
@Marc Martin You too
Marc Martin
@David Amos
Jealousy and bitterness wont give you anything in life David.
David Amos
@Marc Martin Methinks you are
a little late to try to advise a fierce Maritime political animal. I
suspect that I am older than your French Father Perhaps your liberal
hero Frank will explain this old file to you someday N'esy Pas?
Methinks the election results
forever prove that there was no misunderstanding about the French
versus English issues among the voters N'esy Pas?
The politicians can play dumb all they wish but they must know that they are not fooling anyone
"People's Alliance Leader Kris Austin believes there has been a big
misunderstanding about his party's stand on language rights in the
province.
The statement comes on the heels of an increasing number of voices being
raised by Acadian groups, warning against a possible coalition
involving the three elected Alliance MLAs.
They could hold the balance of power in a minority government.
Liberal and Green Party leaders have also been categorical in rejecting
any notion of aligning with the party, on the basis of the language
elements of its platform.
So was the Conservatives' only elected francophone candidate, Robert Gauvin, who won in Shippagan-Lamèque-Miscou.
"It's just really unfortunate that that's what being perpetuated by some people out there," said Kris Austin.
"I think it's fear-mongering among some elite groups."
"Kevin Arseneau, winner in the riding of Kent North when asked who the
Green Party would likely form an alliance with, the new MLA said he
wasn't sure, since the party has a trust and confidence problem with the
Liberals and an ideology problem with the PCs."
james taylor
Ambulance ? Call 911,,,,,, enter 1 for English Ambulance,,,,, enter 2 for French Ambulance,,,,, enter 3
"If You Don't Give A ****" .
David Amos
@james taylor Good Point
Colin Seeley
@james taylor
Agreed. But the French do not agree with you. It’s a bad time to push
English value versions in this present climate. If ever.
We need harmony.
And I believe. Higgs and Gallant wood stand and vote down any motions that suggest disturbances towards their cultures
Glad we have minority.
Marc Martin
@Colin Seeley
*But the French do not agree with you*
Yeah they do, and it would stop PANB from crying wolf.
Pierre LaRoches
@james taylor chances are the ambulance will be late and you will suffer in either language.
David Amos
@Marc Martin "Yeah they do, and it would stop PANB from crying wolf."
You are the one crying a river
June Arnott
Well! I’ve been called many things but never an elitis.
I will give the common sense part though. Our ambulance services are
suffering. Why not hire English only and put them in those areas.
Still though , say no to this backwards party.
Marc Martin
@June Arnott
Why not hire everyone French ?
David Amos
@Marc Martin Why not fire all the French?
Marc Martin
@David Amos
But why ? Its the English who does not want bilingual services not the
French...Not so funny when the table are turned around eh m. Amos..
Bernard McIntyre
@Marc Martin. Sounds like the opposite from some people to me.
Marc Martin
@Bernard McIntyre
Its not the French who go on and on to make the paramedic services unilingual is it?
Bernard McIntyre
@Marc Martin. Do you not listen to yourself before speaking or writing?
Marc Martin
@Bernard McIntyre
Thanks for proving a point that in NB we do need bilingualism. You keep wanting to correct me, can you imagine the others ?
Content disabled.
David Amos
@Marc Martin Methinks that he is continuing to prove just exactly how dumb you are N'esy Pas?
Bernard McIntyre
@Marc Martin. What point are
you talking about? Not once have I said I was against Bilingualism but
you seem to be diffently anti anglophone Radicalism seems to alive and
well with some people here.
Marc Martin
@Bernard McIntyre
No one is anti-Anglophones, unlike you we don't want to remove Anglophone rights in NB.
Bernard McIntyre
@Marc Martin. Again you assume wrong. Stop writing false facts You seem to like to put your own words in what other people say.
John Pokiok
You want to talk about the
fairness in New Brunswick my wife works at the Saint John regional
hospital she is fully bilingual but she's english-born she has to have
testing in her French speaking abilities every year but nurses who are
born French are never tested for their abilities in speaking English
even though they're holding a bilingual positions isn't that
discrimination against English or what.
Dan Armitage
@John Pokiok This is the
unfairness of it all. When ever theres a change its never in the middle
always too left or too right. Maybe just maybe someday we'll see it
happen.
Marc Martin
@John Pokiok
Maybe she has poor French ? Or maybe its all the complaint the Hospitals
in Saint John got regarding dissing and snubbing French patients.
Mario Doucet
@Marc Martin
English having "poor" French is always the issue, French having poor English is never the issue.
Marc Martin
@Mario Doucet
So you saying its because of all the complaints they got then ? ok.
John Pokiok
@Marc Martin No that is not
the case at all she actually probably speaks better French than you do
because most likely you speak a chiack. And her results states that she
has advance speaking reading or writing ability of French. Now my point
is when you get tested once and you pass why do yo have to do this every
year yet no one ever test French born nurses on their ability of
English.
Robert Thibodeau
@John Pokiok John, she
doesn't need to get tested every year. Her language certificate is good
for 3 years. I'm fluent in both languages, and I had to be tested in
both languages. English first language gets tested in French. French
first language in English. Don't be spreading bull.
John Price
@John Pokiok I call horse
manure. If this was actually the case, why wouldn't a union be filing
grievances, why no human rights complaint, why no official language
complaint? I know why - because it's complete bunk.
David Amos
@John Pokiok YUP
David Amos
@John Pokiok Methinks Mr
Martin and his liberal cohorts have made too much fun of my Chiac in the
past I bet they didn't even notice that I was on the ballot in Fundy
again N'esy Pas?
Marc Martin
@David Amos
Why would I notice that ? Your not even a relevant candidate.
David Amos
@Marc Martin Interesting insult I never heard of such a thing Please explain in Chaic.
Content disabled.
David Amos
@Marc Martin "Why would I notice that ? Your not even a relevant candidate."
Methinks many politicians are familiar with this story that appeared in the Kings County Record June 22, 2004 N'esy Pas?
The Unconventional Candidate
By Gisele McKnight
"FUNDY—He has a pack of cigarettes in his shirt pocket, a chain on his
wallet, a beard at least a foot long, 60 motorcycles and a cell phone
that rings to the tune of "Yankee Doodle."
Meet the latest addition to the Fundy ballot—David Amos. The independent
candidate lives in Milton, Massachusetts with his wife and two
children, but his place of residence does not stop him from running for
office in Canada."
"Amos, 52, is running for political office because of his
dissatisfaction with politicians. "I've become aware of much corruption
involving our two countries," he said. "The only way to fix corruption
is in the political forum."
"What he's fighting for is the discussion of issues – tainted blood, the
exploitation of the Maritimes' gas and oil reserves and NAFTA, to name a
few.
"The political issues in the Maritimes involve the three Fs – fishing,
farming and forestry, but they forget foreign issues," he said. "I'm
death on NAFTA, the back room deals and free trade. I say chuck it
(NAFTA) out the window.
NAFTA is the North American Free Trade Agreement which allows an easier
flow of goods between Canada, the United States and Mexico."
David Amos
@David Amos Oh My My Blocked again
David Amos
@David Amos Methinks the soon to be MLA Robert Gauvin should be able to explain your reasoning N'esy Pas?
Jacques Poitras @poitrasCBC
· Sep 26, 2018
Replying to @poitrasCBC
Liberal + Green = 24 seats. Not a majority, and that's before a speaker
is chosen. Gallant won't comment on that but says Libs will talk to PC
MLAs about coming over.
Jacques Poitras @poitrasCBC
Some PC MLAs won't be comfortable with Alliance cooperation, Gallant says. He names Robert Gauvin in particular.
2:38 PM - Sep 26, 2018
Marc Martin
@David Amos
Actually you did....how many people vote for you anyways ?
Content disabled. Marc Martin
@David Amos
How many people voted for you?
David Amos
@Marc Martin Need I say that I am honoured that you didn't?
David Amos
@Marc Martin Methinks you say interesting things about elected French dudes N'esy Pas?
"Paul Arseneault
You might want to put a hold on that PC/PA alliance, Gauvin is getting
cold feet and no wonder..if it happens he is a one term MLA."
"Marc Martin
@Paul Arseneault
He will switch, ive heard people already have a rope with a tree for him."
Marc Martin
@David Amos
Yeah he got assurances from Higgs they would not form a coalition with
PANB, I've got better sources then you, I know people close to him :).
cheryl wright
i don't understand how having
2 separate health authorities - be it bilingual - infringes on the
Acadian rights. I don't understand how having a bus ride shared with
both English and French students infringes on anybody's rights or having
a linguistic translation device in ambulances infringes on anybody's
rights. what does infringe on all rights is not having ambulatory
services in a timely fashion or at all due to restrictions, wait times
as some hospitals and not others due to staffing, and having a debt that
is ballooning out of control.
cheryl wright
@cheryl wright sorry I meant to type NOT having 2 separate health authorities
Dan Armitage
@cheryl wright
I'd like to see the acadian society answer those great questions Cheryl
Marc Martin
@cheryl wright
*having 2 separate health authorities - be it bilingual - infringes on the Acadian rights.*
In my point of view it does not, but for the English its all about power.
*I don't understand how having a bus ride shared with both English and French students infringes on anybody's rights *
Because you have two different school administration, both have their
own money to budget the buses but again for the English its all about
power, for me the only reason I can see is that the French population is
scared of the English population, and from all the hatred posts I see
here I don't blame them.
*having a linguistic translation device in ambulances infringes on anybody's rights*
It does because when you die you want to make sure to put every chances
on your side ? Again its all about eh English wanting control and power,
if the table would be changed and they only hired French paramedic
across NB would you still be happy ?
Mario Doucet
@Mario Doucet
That means Canada and NB.
cheryl wright
@Marc Martin I can tell you
that the rights of someone needing medical assistance is better met with
a translation box to assist an English paramedic with a French patient
than to have nobody answer their call at all. and by all rights it is
the French who have started the bullying here starting with mr.
Melansons interview this morning on cbc
Marc Martin
@cheryl wright
So its ok if they hire French only paramedics from now on ?
cheryl wright
@Marc Martin you are clearing
missing the point and I am done trying to explain it to you. I hope
that in your lifetime you do not need the assistance of a paramedic that
cant answer your call because of a shortage. bonne nuit
Roy Nicholl
@cheryl wright
Your argument is a strawman. Having no ambulance is an entirely
different matter than having one of the two paramedics be able to
communicate with French or English patients.
David Amos
@Roy Nicholl That was not her argument
David Amos
@cheryl wright For what it is worth I agree with you
Marc Martin
@cheryl wright
Hey answer the question would you be ok if they only hired French paramedics ? Ill answer for you its NO.
Roy Nicholl
@David Amos
Her statement was " I can tell you that the rights of someone needing
medical assistance is better met with a translation box to assist an
English paramedic with a French patient than to have nobody answer their
call at all"
Which is a strawman.
David Amos
@Roy Nicholl Why insult the lady or me for that matter?
Roy Nicholl
@David Amos
There was no insult on my part, just pointing out the argument was false.
It would be just as false to suggest a translation box to assist a
French paramedic with an English patient better meets the rights of
someone needing medical assistance than providing none at all.
David Amos
@Roy Nicholl Yea Right I remember even trying to talk to you before the election.
Rick Given
I watched Mr. Melanson's interview last night and I came away feeling that I had just watched a temper tantrum by a 5 year old.
Dan Armitage
@Rick Given nailed it
Content disabled. David Amos
@Rick Given Me Too
David Amos
@Rick Given I agree
Bernard McIntyre
Sounds like the Acadian
Society are the ones who are fear mongering here not the P.A. The
Acadian Society are sounding Anti Anglophone. Hopefully not?
Winston Smith
@Bernard McIntyre
I think what he is saying is that with such a razor thin margin of
victory Mr Gauvin is a king maker. Mr. Higgs may not like it but Mr.
Gauvin holds an enormous amount of power in such a crippled legislature.
The humour in this situation is brillant to say the least.
Paul Arseneault
@Bernard McIntyre Actually,
at this point it seems it is becoming more increasingly difficult for
the PC party. Mr. Higgs would not dare try to form a PC/PA coalition
without the support of Robert Gauvin and there is no way that is
happening.
Bernard McIntyre
@Paul Arseneault. So what your saying is Mr. Gauvin rules the P.C Party not Mr. Higgs or the other 20 M.L.A's.
SarahRose Werner
@Bernard McIntyre - And the Anglophone Rights Association of New Brunswick is anti-Acadian. Your point?
Bernard McIntyre
@SarahRose Werner. I haven't heard the Angolphone Association making any statements so where are you getting your point?
JJ Carrier
@Bernard McIntyre They make
statements every day in every form possible...Many of the PANB are WARs,
but with better clothing on than the old days of, ahem triple letter
protests against the French...Unless history has been rewritten, check
the direct link in all these Anglo rights group...You might be surprised
what you find in your Scottish/Irish heritage, especially in NNB
Bernard McIntyre
@JJ Carrier. What does WARs
stand for? And I do know a little history of my culture. WE are not
Anglo.Thats like calling the French, Spainish. Our culture was
desimated by the English. How do you think Haggis was made.
David Amos
@Bernard McIntyre Methinks Robert Melanson and his Anti Anglophone Cohorts doth protest too much N'esy Pas?
David Amos
@Winston Smith "The humour in this situation is brillant to say the least."
Welcome to the Circus
Marc Martin
@Winston Smith
*They are represented by the People's Alliance who speak for them now.*
There ya go, finally someone who admits that PANB represents the anti-francophone group of NB.
Denis Thomas
@SarahRose Werner I'm a French Acadian and a member/supporter of the ARA.
You were saying?
David Amos
@Denis Thomas Methinks with that and two loonies you can get a cup of coffee N'esy Pas?
James MacDonald
Robert Melanson said, "If
you're against duality, then you're against bilingualism." As long a
that backwards thinking remains , New Brunswick will remain a backwards
province. Every time a party mentions "duality of service" , someone
races out to explain the benefits of bilingualism for the province . I
think bilingualism is great. I think the segregation of school kids on
buses ,based on language is stupid, and probably violates someone's
Charter Rights. Having two health care authorities when we can barely
afford one, all in the the name of "Bilingualism"? I moved here 27
years ago and I saw right away how messesd up things were in NB. I am
leaving here in February and things are still the same. Au revoir.
Bonne chance.
Dan Armitage
@James MacDonald I like it
too James but thier taking the good out of it all. Want they really want
is a one system for themselves not every New Brunswicker
Jeff LeBlanc
@James MacDonald imagine
replacing the word "french" with "black" when talking about the school
bus situation? It's ridiculous that in 2018 these things are even issues
to people. I'm Acadian and couldn't care less what language the bus
driver speaks as long as he gets the kids there safely.
Dan Armitage
@Jeff LeBlanc great stuff Jeff
Marc Martin
@James MacDonald
*the segregation of school kids on buses*
Name me one place where people not in power or having the majority
segregated the other part? You find it anywhere, it just show the
English the lack of understanding their own English language.
Al Bekirkey
@Marc Martin its 2018 bud
Bill Thompson
@Marc Martin
Would you repeat that, please.? And this time could you write it in the English language?
Roy Nicholl
@Bill Thompson
Perhaps you should ask politely in French?
John Price
@James MacDonald What's most hilarious about this PANB (or COR ver.
3.0), and you James, is do you think somehow magically removing 1 health
authority, and saving on, what, maybe 50 busses is going to solve the
financial crisis in this province? NOPE. Because the problem never
was, and isn't about duality or bilingualism. The problem is all the
years people go out and work and pay taxes to other provinces, only to
come back to NB to use our hospitals and healthcare system for the most
expensive part of their life. Not to mention the fact that the province
pays for stupidly small schools, stupidly paved roads for 3 houses,
stupidly clearing snow for these same rural roads, etc. it's government
waste, but mostly because of healthcare. There is ZERO reason to have
17 odd hospitals in this province - maybe 5 or 6 at most are needed.
John Price
@Jeff LeBlanc Congratulations
Jeff. You're Acadian, and you don't care that the bus driver in
Edmundston, or Caraquet can't give instructions to a purely francophone
kid during an emergency, or can't diffuse a situation when there's a
fight on the bus, etc. Totally makes sense. /sarcasm.
Marc Martin
@Al Bekirkey
And ?
Marc Martin
@Bill Thompson
At least I try my best buddy, how about you ?
By the way I cant *repeat* this because I am not talking, I am writing.
David Amos
@Roy Nicholl Methinks I should write another lawsuit and write it in Chiac this time N'esy Pas?
Marc Martin
@John Price
Wow...this is well said ty sir. May I add this, we have a shortage of
doctors in NB, UNB and the University of Moncton choose more immigrant
outside Canada because it pays more leaving our kids who want to be
doctors to not have a chance to attend the University, these are
subjects we should be talking about.
Roy Nicholl
@David Amos wrote:
"Methinks I should write another lawsuit and write it in Chiac this time N'esy Pas?"
If you would find that fulfilling, then you should.
Marc Martin
@David Amos
Maybe you should write it in welfare language.
David Amos
@Roy Nicholl Should I mention you and your cohorts within it?
Roy Nicholl
@David Amos wrote:
"Should I mention you and your cohorts within it?"
Oh, please do. Just be certain to let me know who they are in advance so we can keep our stories straight.
David Amos
@Roy Nicholl Scroll up and down
Fred Brewer
@James MacDonald
Well said.
Pierre LaRoches
@James MacDonald The SANB
exists only to cause trouble. They are, along with the movers and
shakers in the background of the Liberal party, the leftovers of the
separatist Parti Acadien. They still work to divide the province every
day.
Pierre LaRoches
@Marc Martin Oxford is the
king of English language and they say 'The action or state of setting
someone or something apart from others.' Nothing about power or the
other BS you always call on. Again, I realize you do it all day but it
is really disingenuous to make up definitions of your own.
Pierre LaRoches
@Marc Martin U de M should and 3-4 other universities should stop getting funded as they offer substandard education.
Pierre LaRoches
@Marc Martin Again we see the
arrogance of the Liberal civil servant that has everything in life
handed to them due to connections and language. Your whole life exists
due to a bigger welfare project than people on social assistance could
ever hope for.
David Amos
@Pierre LaRoches I agree
Marc Martin
@Pierre LaRoches
*The SANB exists only to cause trouble*
Not really they defend rights already acquired, contrary to ARANB and PANB.
Marc Martin
@Pierre LaRoches
Please point out where a minority not in power can segregate anyone ? Go ahead...
Marc Martin
@Pierre LaRoches
*Liberal civil servant that has everything in life handed to them due to connections and language*
Bitterness and jealousy wont get you anywhere, getting educated would be a big start for you.
John O'Brien
It is now abundantly obvious
that it is the French who fear equality. All this fuss is caused by
Francophone reaction to the people of NB ( a good number of them
Francophones) voting in 3 candidates who dared to say that maybe we
should re-examine the state of Language laws here. It really does not
make much common sense. I came to Moncton voluntarily 40 years ago;
mainly because of the bi-cultural atmosphere. The more I get to know the
elite Francophones, the more anti-Francophone I get. Things have
changed - a lot. The greed in Francophone circles is staggering.
Marc Martin
@John O'Brien
*It is now abundantly obvious that it is the French who fear equality*
They fear losing their equality, right now its the anti-French that want to remove everything from hem.
* came to Moncton voluntarily 40 years ago*
Then you accepted the fact that NB was a bilingual province, you always have the choice to *voluntarily* move back.
John Price
@John O'Brien It's hilarious
you think "a good number of them" voted for COR ver. 2.0. Absolutely
hilarious. Why would anyone vote for a party who's looking to take
rights away from others?
Also, isn't it interesting that if they're getting great support from
English AND French - why did they get elected in the most English areas
of the province? Why didn't they win seats up north or down south?
David Amos
@John O'Brien "The greed in Francophone circles is staggering"
I concur
Edwin Kelley
La Patente seems to be alive
and well in New Brunswick. According to recent census (2016) there is
66.7% of the population that lists english as their mother tongue and
31.1% that lists french as their mother tongue. There are only 8.5% who
are uni lingual french. The divisive rhetoric being spouted by certain
groups is unfounded to say the least.
John Price
@Edwin Kelley The dinosaurs from COR ver 1.0 are also still alive & well too apparently.
David Amos
@Edwin Kelley True
Elaine Jones
It is so sad that there are
so many individuals out there that are so short sighted. The PA stand
on "duality" only makes sense both economically and socially.
Segregation by either language or race is both wrong and reckless. The
government needs to run the province with the needs of all it's citizens
in mind, not just an elite few.
John Price
@Elaine Jones So it's just
"an elite few" that get to go on a school bus? Or just the elite that
get to go to the hospital? Or is it only the elite that get to get
government services?
Yeah, I thought so.
Elaine Jones
@John Price interesting, so
you are for separating families and friends . Having one set of rules
for some and not for others, interesting. You must be one of those
elite.
Marc Martin
@Elaine Jones
*Segregation by either language or race *
A minority who is not in power or a majority cannot segregate anyone pls educate yourself.
David Amos
@Marc Martin "pls educate yourself"
Methinks you should take your own advice N'esy Pas?
Marc Martin
@David Amos
Not at all, im sure im am more educated then you, for one I have never used welfare, how about you ?
David Amos
@Marc Martin I was Never on
welfare in my life as a bureaucrat you should know at least that. I
never collected unemployment either because I owned my own business for
years. Trust that I made a decent living and NEVER employed people who
acted like you.
Marc Martin
@David Amos
Bureaucrat....for what ? You don't look like a bureaucrat. You owned a
business...ill reserve my comments on this one...You wish you would have
employed someone like me, I would have never worked from someone like
you.
Bernard McIntyre
@Marc Martin. So now your
attacking people on welfare. Shame on you. There are people of all races
who need assistant.Granted there are some who abuse the system.
Pierre LaRoches
@Marc Martin you don't get to make up meanings for words Marc.
Pierre LaRoches
@Marc Martin there's that nice Liberal civil servant arrogance.
David Amos
@Pierre LaRoches Methinks
that may be the understatement of the year when it comes to this nasty
liberal minion in particular N'esy Pas?
Marc Martin
@Bernard McIntyre
So your also stating that David is on assistance?
Marc Martin
@Pierre LaRoches
Its not arrogance is facts educate yourself, by the way you can leave the fake French name.
Marc Martin
@David Amos
38% compared to 12%...I wonder who's the minion...
Bill Thompson
There it is right there!
Robert Melanson and Yvon Lapierre do not want bilingualism in this
province. They want duality. They want one government for the English
and a separate one for the French. So long as the English government is
required to be bilingual.
Ian Scott
@Bill Thompson exactly and he
said it right there. Duality at a cost of millions and duplications
where not warranted yet touts bilingualism as an asset which it is and
can be improved on where common sense prevails. He wants duplicated
hospital services duplicated public office services duplicated bus
services duplicated translation services duplicated french schools next
will be the attack on doctors lawyers dentists etc. Secretaries and on
it goes.
Rosco holt
@Ian Scott
I'll put it this way if everyone was bilingual we wouldn't even have this discussion.
It just some don't bother to learn and then complain that they can't get
a certain job because they are not bilingual, while those who learned
are being punished.
David Amos
@Bill Thompson Methinks lots
of folks had the agenda of Robert Melanson, Yvon Lapierre and their
cohorts figured out a long time ago N'esy Pas?
Tim Trites
or any job for that matter.
and if the province can't get english kids, after all this time able to
function in french then who are they to demand english kids be able to
function in french in order to work for them?
talk about your constitutional rights violations, there's one.
read in reverse order
Roy Nicholl
@Tim Trites
It's not the province's responsibility alone to ensure "English" kids
are able to function in French. The parents are also part of the
equation.
Children are born without language, but with the amazing ability to
learn any language or languages - they simply cannot help but learn.
We as parents and as a society need to provide the opportunity.
Let's turn your scenario around and ask: Why is it that the majority of
Francophone kids are able to function in English by the time they are
adults? What can we learn from this to aid their English counterparts
in their pursuit of French? We spend more resources now to help
English kids learn French than we do to help French kids learn English.
Ian Scott
@Roy Nicholl because it takes
a lot of time and effort when 99% of the world around functions in
English. And it’s Need is dwindling while Asian languages are in fact
likely to be neede more. Take a trip to Ontario.!
Ian Scott
@Ian Scott and many of us
just are not wired for it unlike say ?Freeland who speaks several
languages. My new nephew is handicapped but picks up both but we have
had years of limited exposure and it remains limited. But to force it
when not needed is "......duality for political purpose and money.
Marc Martin
@Ian Scott
* because it takes a lot of time and effort *
You have just told us the reason why the English population does not
want or want to make the effort to learn a language, well guess what
your the only one to blame.
David Amos
@Roy Nicholl "What can we learn from this to aid their English counterparts in their pursuit of French?"
Easy have a vote then change the Charter
Roy Nicholl
@David Amos
Once again, your response does not answer the question.
Roy Nicholl
@Ian Scott
Then are you willing to give up services and systems in English?
David Amos
@Roy Nicholl I answered it just fine
Roy Nicholl
@David Amos
Then explain how changing the charter will assist English students learn French?
Marc Martin
@David Amos
You didn't answer because you dont know what your talking about.
David Amos
@Marc Martin That why I sued the Queen Correct?
David Amos
@Roy Nicholl Why is it so hard to understand that I do not believe the Charter is valid?
Roy Nicholl
@David Amos wrote:
"Why is it so hard to understand that I do not believe the Charter is valid?"
David: Sometimes its hard to understand what you believe or don't believe versus what you will say or write for effect.
However, to answer your question. It is not hard to understand that you
may not believe the Charter to be valid. However, it's likely to make
little difference to government or the courts.
Rob Landry
@Roy Nicholl
The thing about "our kids" is that they no more want to speak French
than they want to go to church. They wanna be online cussing eachother
out while playing Fortnite or following their fav celebrities on
Twitter, Instagram and Snapchat. The internet and life outside of NB is
entirely English no matter how far "parents" or the SANB stick their
head in the sand.
Marc Martin
@David Amos
You sued the queen of England ?
Marc Martin
@Rob Landry
And because you cant provide decent parenthood its the Frenchs fault?
David Amos
@Marc Martin I thought you knew everything?
Rob Landry
@Marc Martin
It's nobody's fault. It's just the reality of the connected world we
live in. NB is small potatoes and French is irrelevant outside our
borders.
I have no children but if I did, I wouldn't force them to go to church
or learn any language they didn't want. I'd be sitting there being the
cool dad playing Fortnite along with them. In actual fact, I'd be
encouraging them to leave this place (just as I'll be doing as soon as I
retire in a few years).
Roland Godin
@Rob Landry
Not the English language but a common U$ian dialect useful to order a hotdog..eh!/voilà.
Roy Nicholl
@Rob Landry
If you provide very children with an environment in which there are
multiple languages, they will understand and speak multiple languages.
When a child learns language, they have no concept of English, French, Mandarin ... they are excited to be able to communicate.
Roy Nicholl
@Rob Landry wrote
"...The internet and life outside of NB is entirely English no matter
how far "parents" or the SANB stick their head in the sand."
Many, perhaps most, of the worlds languages can be found on the
Internet. Sure, you can avoid it if you choose, but it is also a very
useful tool for connecting folks by language. My son and I are using
the Internet to re-introduce Irish Gaelic (If I use the actual language
name, my post appears to get banned) into our family.
Marc Martin
@Rob Landry
*French is irrelevant outside our borders*
WRONG again, NB is along side the second most populated province in
Canada and its French. Who cares about what's outside Canada ?
*I'd be encouraging them to leave this place (just as I'll be doing as soon as I retire in a few years).*
Why wait ? All this negative is going to make you sick, you should move now if you that unhappy.
Bernard McIntyre
@Marc Martin. Quebec, how
come they are not bilingual? They used the not with standing clause
(which I don't understand how they used it because they didn't sign the
constitution in 1982) to keep other languages out other than French.
Explain that since you so educated?
Pierre LaRoches
@Marc Martin The real world is outside of your little SANB separatist bubble.
David Amos
@Marc Martin "You sued the queen of England ?"
Methinks you should ask your hero the wannabe judge Serge Rousselle
about his reply to me while he is still the Attorney General of New
Brunswick N'esy Pas?
Marc Martin
@Bernard McIntyre
Maybe its because over 96% of the population is French ?
Marc Martin
@Pierre LaRoches
What are you talking about ?
Marc Martin
@David Amos
You did say you sued the queen not me....You didn't ?
Bernard McIntyre
@Marc Martin. So now your saying minoraties don't have rights?
Jake Quinlan
From March 12, 1993. I
find the wording in 16.1(1) "....as are necessary...."
interesting. Perhaps Austin's "common sense approach" are rooted in
these few words?
Amendment to the Constitution of Canada
1. The "Constitution Act, 1982" is amended by adding thereto, immediately after section 16 thereof, the following section:
"16.1 (1) The English linguistic community and the French linguistic
community in New Brunswick have equality of status and equal rights and
privileges, including the right to distinct educational institutions and
such distinct cultural institutions as are necessary for the
preservation and promotion of those communities.
(2) The role of the legislature and the government of New Brunswick to
peserve and promote the status, rights and privileges referred to in
subsection (1) is affirmed."
2. This amendment may be cited as the "Constitution Amendment, 1993 (New Brunswick)".
Marc Martin
@Jake Quinlan
Purple Barney of if you like the CoR leader only has one agendy the
removal of French right for the benefit of the anti-French groups in
NB...Its not a coincidence he went to every anti-French group ralley in
Fredericton in the past 4 years.
cheryl wright
@Marc Martin that is
absolutely not true. nowhere in the constitution does it mention that
there is a requirement to have separate busses or hospitals etc. it is
education only and they have that, they have French schools barely being
occupied while English schools recently built are having to add mobile
classrooms.. but it is their constitutional right. Education. as far as
Kris Austin is concerned about his party agenda maybe if you open your
ears instead of your lips you would clearly see that the party is not
COR or anti- French and the only ones spewing segregation and fear
mongering and inequality is the likes of Mr. Melanson himself
Marc Martin
@cheryl wright
Wrong post, maybe you should read the posts instead of writing nonsense.
*French schools barely being occupied while English schools recently built are having to add mobile classrooms*
Errr sorry ? Fredericton had 1 schools and it was so full that kid where
starting to fall out of the windows. What about the half full 18 school
the English have in Fredericton ?
PANB = CoR.
Bernard McIntyre
@Marc Martin. As I said in another comment. You only read what you want to hear.
Robert Thibodeau
@cheryl wright They have , They have.... Come on. Can you hear yourself? You get all these services in your language too.
Robert Thibodeau
@Bernard McIntyre "You only read what you want to hear" . Thats a new one.
Marc Martin
@Bernard McIntyre
Not really I'm stating facts that no one here can even chalenge me on them...In the end its all about jealousy and bitterness.
David Amos
@Jake Quinlan Methinks you should study my lawsuit ASAP N'esy Pas?
Google David Amos Federal Court
Marc Martin
@David Amos
No one wants to google that, its a waste of time.
David Amos
@Marc Martin Methinks that you don't want them to N'esy Pas?
David Amos
@Marc Martin Methinks that you don't want them to N'esy Pas?
Marc Martin
@David Amos
Want what ?
Tim Trites
just so it's clear. NOWHERE in the Constitution does it guarantee DUALITY rights
Roy Nicholl
@Tim Trites
The constitution does guarantee service in your choice of English or
French. To delivery those services necessitates some form of duality.
Marc Martin
@Tim Trites
It does for school administration.
David Amos
@Roy Nicholl Nope
Roy Nicholl
@David Amos
The alternative would be for all those involved in the delivery of
services to be fluently bilingual ... which probably would not sit well
with your purview.
David Amos
@Roy Nicholl What makes you think that the Charter holds water?
Roy Nicholl
@David Amos
Philisopical existentialism aside, the Charter, like the other
foundations of our society (government, courts, etc) is a human
construct which has validity because we have given it.
While it is good for us to question our social constructs, we should do
so earnestly and not from a place of malice, fear or contempt.
Timothy Meehan
The Charter says the
GOVERNMENT must be bilingual. Not the PROVINCE or the COUNTY. Why are
not all police 100% bilingual? Why do drunk drivers go free every year
because a police officer can't be arsed to learn French? It's all
games. (I support PA but also Acadian rights. Their position is
misrepresented.)
David Amos
@Roy Nicholl Who do you think you impressed with the fancy lingo?
Roy Nicholl
@David Amos wrote:
"Who do you think you impressed with the fancy lingo?"
David:
This would be one of those times when it is difficult to see what you are talking about.
June Arnott
@Tim Trites that is true.
Marc Martin
@Roy Nicholl
*David:
This would be one of those times when it is difficult to see what you are talking about.*
Lucky you I never understand anything he says....
David Amos
@Marc Martin That fact is abundantly obvious to all
Tim Trites
nor does it say that any GIVEN job needs to be bilingual
David Amos
@Tim Trites True
JJ Carrier
Can we track Buster Astle down and ask him if he has stopped partying?
David Amos
@JJ Carrier Methinks he no longer cares N'esy Pas?
Greens predict 'tough negotiations' with Liberals, PCs over governing partnership
Brian Gallant announced the Liberals will approach the Green Party in hopes of forming a partnership
Elizabeth Fraser · CBC News · Posted: Sep 27, 2018 8:13 AM AT
Green Party Leader David Coon says New Brunswickers want parties to work together in the legislative assembly.
Green Party Leader David Coon is predicting "tough
negotiations" between his party and the Liberals and Progressive
Conservatives as the political leaders continue to grapple with the
province's minority government situation.
"We have an unprecedented situation with the results of this election," said Coon.
"Our
caucus's goal is to deliver to New Brunswickers a stable government and
serve the public interest and tackle the challenges we've got in front
of us."
The two major parties fell short of the required 25 seats
for a majority — the PCs won 22 and the Liberals 21, pending recounts.
The remaining six seats in the legislature were evenly split between the
Greens and the People's Alliance.
New Brunswick has not had a minority government since 1920.
Coon
has arranged to have individual phone conversations on Thursday with
both Higgs and Gallant to "look at what kind of government might be
built in the legislative assembly.
"I'm humbled by the fact the
people of this province have voted to give us the balance of
responsibility to help build a stable government in the legislature."
Coon
said his goal right now is to be part of a collaboration that will
last. He hopes both parties will recognize they didn't receive
a majority of support and can't govern that way.
"If we're going
to get a throne speech passed, if we're going to get a budget passed,
then we've got to have some kind of agreement in the legislative
assembly that enables a minority government to function," he said.
Coon didn't say what that agreement might look like.
"It's going to be tough negotiations over the next couple of weeks," he said in an interview with Information Morning Fredericton.
But Coon did make it clear he will not make a decision until October, after the final results are confirmed.
Premier
Brian Gallant, standing before the Liberal caucus outside the New
Brunswick Legislative Building, said Wednesday the party will approach
the Greens about a formal partnership. (Jacques Poitras/CBC)
"What we need here is an agreement to enable the legislature to function and a government to serve the people of this province."
Later
on Thursday, Higgs rejected striking any deals with other parties or
forming a coalition but he wasn't clear about how his party, with only
22 seats, might govern. He said he expected to be able to work with the
other parties on areas where there is agreement.
On Wednesday,
Gallant announced the party will approach the Green Party with the hope
of forming a partnership based on shared "progressive policies."
What
shape that partnership would take would have to be discussed, Gallant
said. It was the first public chess move by a party in the two days
since Monday's election that left both the Liberals and Progressive
Conservatives claiming the right to govern.
Catching up on Monday's dramatic election results? This video will give you the highlights
CBC News
New Brunswick election night in 90 seconds
As PCs claim victory, Liberals try to hold onto power. 1:40
Gallant
said during the campaign that he would not work with the PCs or the
People's Alliance because they don't share Liberal "values."
He
said Wednesday that voters sent a clear message they wanted the
government to work with "other parties," but he suggested that the
Greens are the more natural pairing for the Liberals.
With files from Information Morning Fredericton and Colin McPhail
PC Leader Blaine Higgs says he expects to govern eventually but won't cut deals
Higgs says Lt.-Gov. Jocelyne Roy Vienneau told him he'll be asked to govern if Gallant loses confidence vote
Elizabeth Fraser · CBC News ·
Progressive
Conservative Leader Blaine Higgs arrives at Government House prior to
his meeting with Lt.-Gov. Jocelyne Roy Vienneau in Fredericton on
Thursday. (James West/Canadian Press)
Progressive Conservative Leader Blaine Higgs says the
lieutenant-governor has told him he'll be asked to form a government if
the Liberals lose a confidence vote in the legislature, but he won't
cut any deals to make it happen or stay in power.
"I'm
hopeful we will form a minority government, because that's exactly what
the province voted for," Higgs told reporters after his meeting
with Lt.-Gov. Jocelyne Roy Vienneau in Fredericton, which lasted more
than an hour.
At the meeting, Higgs also asked that
the legislature be called back as soon as possible. Gallant has
suggested it could happen anytime before Christmas.
CBC News
PC Leader Blaine Higgs meets with Lt.-Gov. in aftermath of election
Blaine Higgs says he expects the chance to govern but he won't cut deals to make it happen or stay in power. 17:18
The legislature is set to resume Oct. 23, a date set long before the election and subject to change.
"She
said this isn't going to go on, we can't have this instability in the
province," Higgs said. "She gave every indication this will not go
months, it'll go days and weeks."
I have the most seats. That is typically how democracy works and I'm calling on Brian Gallant to realize he lost the election.- Blaine Higgs , leader of the PC party
After
the meeting, Higgs made it clear there would not be another election
until the Liberals give governing a try, and then the Conservatives if
necessary.
Neither won enough seats Monday for a majority, but the PCs came out one seat ahead of the Liberals.
Higgs
said he would not form a coalition and was adamant he will not "work
things out" with Gallant. But Higgs did say he is willing to work with
other parties in the legislative assembly.
"I have faith in both the Green Party and People's Alliance," he said. "I'm not cutting deals to stay in power."
Getting on with the job
Meanwhile,
Green Party Leader David Coon has arranged to have individual phone
conversations on Thursday with both Higgs and Gallant to "look at what
kind of government might be built in the Legislative Assembly."
"It's going to be tough negotiations over the next couple of weeks," he said in an interview with Information Morning Fredericton.
"What we need here is an agreement to enable the legislature to function and a government to serve the people of this province."
Initially, Higgs indicated
he would be meeting with Roy Vienneau on Tuesday, but that meeting was
postponed to Thursday, which last for more than an hour.
Liberal
Leader Brian Gallant met with Roy Vienneau on Tuesday morning and said
she gave him permission to continue governing while he and his Liberals
try to win the confidence of the legislature.
But Higgs fired back
that Gallant was merely "prolonging the inevitable" and it's "sad
Gallant is so focused on his future career."
The PC leader urged the premier to call the legislature, so New Brunswick can have a legitimate government again.
"I have the most seats. That is typically how democracy works and I'm calling on Brian Gallant to realize he lost the election.
"The province deserves and needs a functioning government."
He
said there are timely issues that need addressing, and he cited delays
in compensating flood victims and the harm being done to New Brunswick
companies by the 20 per cent U.S. tariffs on softwood lumber.
Crossing the floor
But
Higgs also emphasized he wouldn't make backroom deals with other
parties or MLAs, saying voters are "sick and tired of people holding
onto power."
He suggested this set him apart from Gallant.
"It's
evident he's desperate to hold onto power and he's trying to buy time
with the hopes he can convince one of my MLAs to cross the floor," Higgs
said.
Although he wouldn't say who, Higgs said he was present
when one of his MLAs received a call from Liberals on Wednesday night
suggesting the MLA cross the floor.
Before Higgs met with
Roy Vienneau, a Liberal staffer shared copies of a PC to Liberal email
about discussing the next government.
"All of a sudden the reception got real bad when I got on the phone," he said.
Before
Higgs met with Roy Vienneau, a Liberal staffer shared copies of an
email from a PC to a Liberal about discussing the next government.
Higgs said he did not authorize anyone to speak with other MLAs about crossing the floor.
"I will not buy anyone to cross the floor. I will not and have not offered anyone something to join."
Higgs
and Gallant have been clashing this week over how to interpret the
election results where the PCs won 22 seats compared to the 21 seats
held by the Liberals. A party needs 25 seats for a majority government.
The People's Alliance and the Green Party each won three seats.
After his meeting with Roy Vienneau, Higgs was to meet with his caucus at the Fredericton Inn.
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Kris Austin defends himself, as Acadian voices against People's Alliance multiply
Language rights groups suspicious of Austin's 'common sense' approach, but Austin says they misunderstand
Gabrielle Fahmy · CBC News ·
Kris
Austin said he finds it unfortunate so many voices are being raised
against the People's Alliance in the wake of Monday's election because
of the party's opposition to certain language requirements. (CBC)
People's Alliance Leader Kris Austin
believes there has been a big misunderstanding about his party's stand
on language rights in the province.
The statement comes on the
heels of an increasing number of voices being raised by Acadian groups,
warning against a possible coalition involving the three elected
Alliance MLAs.
They could hold the balance of power in a minority government.
Liberal
and Green Party leaders have also been categorical in rejecting any
notion of aligning with the party, on the basis of the language elements
of its platform.
So was the Conservatives' only elected francophone candidate, Robert Gauvin, who won in Shippagan-Lamèque-Miscou.
"It's just really unfortunate that that's what being perpetuated by some people out there," said Kris Austin.
"I think it's fear-mongering among some elite groups."
Says he respects French and English
Throughout
the campaign, francophones have expressed shock and horror at what they
perceived as their acquired rights up for debate for the first time in
decades.
What we're asking for is let's apply some common sense to how we make this work."- Kris Austin, People's Alliance
The
Official Languages Act was passed nearly 50 years ago by the Louis
Robichaud government, giving New Brunswickers the option to receive
public services in the language of their choice.
Austin campaigned
on a platform that would see francophone and anglophone health
authorities merge, duality in school busing end, and the office of the
official languages commissioner abolished.
The Alliance elected three MLAs on Monday night in mostly anglophone rural ridings. (CBC)
The
party also wants to eliminate bilingual requirements for public service
jobs in regions where there's no demand —something Austin said
Wednesday he will not compromise on, citing ambulance wait times in
rural areas.
"We're
not asking to dilute minority rights," he said. "We respect the rights
of both French and English in this province. What we're asking for is
let's apply some common sense to how we make this work."
I think the words of 'common sense approach' is a trap, essentially. - Yvon Lapierre, Dieppe mayor
Austin,
who said he was "baffled" by the comments he's heard from francophone
groups since the election, believes ambulance services are in crisis,
something he blames in part on bilingual requirements leaving jobs
unfilled.
But he said that doesn't make him anti-francophone.
"We're saying, we'll do whatever it takes to make sure paramedics show up in a decent amount of time," said Austin.
Francophones not buying it
"That is for me bullshit," said Robert Melanson, president of the Acadian Society of New Brunswick.
"When you're against duality, you're against bilingualism, you're against everything — well you're not for the equality."
Melanson's group is one of 14 that signed a letter against any coalition scenario involving the People's Alliance.
Robert Melanson doesn't believe Kris Austin is not anti-bilingualism. (CBC)
"It
would be a terrible historical error for any political party that would
do that," Melanson said. "Because I think that would be a stigma that
would stay on a political party."
The mayors of 19 municipalities, from Memramcook in the southeast to Edmundston in the northwest, also signed.
Dieppe Mayor Yvon Lapierre was one of them.
"I'm concerned that francophones in this province will lose rights that they have acquired over many years," said Yvon Lapierre.
"I think the words of 'common sense approach' is a trap, essentially."
Yvon Lapierre said francophones are worried they are losing ground in New Brunswick. (CBC)
Both believe bilingualism is being used as a scapegoat for the province's poor finances.
"I
think there's a sense with people particularly in rural New Brunswick
that they have lost something," said Lapierre. "I think it's quite to
the contrary, when we look at the benefits of bilingualism that have
brought to our economy locally."
He cited the example of jobs being brought with the TD call centre coming to Dieppe because of the bilingual workforce.
"Bilingualism
is bringing over $1.4 billion to the province every year,"
Melanson said. "It's a populist party that is trying to put the economic
blame on the Acadians and that is not right.
Bilingualism … is there to stay. - Robert Melanson , Acadian Society
"Bilingualism — by the way, is there to stay."
Blaine
Higgs, who has worked hard to persuade francophone voters he is their
ally, won the most seats on Monday night although Premier Brian Gallant
will continue governing if he wins the confidence of the legislature.
Higgs has
been careful not to use the word coalition, but he said he would work
with other parties on a case-by-case, bill-by-bill basis.
He and Austin have not spoken since the election, according to their spokespeople.
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People's Alliance more likely to support the PCs, Kris Austin says
No talks yet, but Alliance leader open to a formal agreement to keep another party in power
Jacques Poitras · CBC News ·
Kris
Austin says the People's Alliance Party would have to have a formal
agreement to support another party in a minority government. (CBC) People's Alliance Leader Kris Austin says he's open to a formal
agreement to support a minority government for a fixed period of time,
and says it seems "obvious" his party is more likely to vote with the
Progressive Conservatives. It was the Alliance leader's first
public comments since election night on what his caucus of three MLAs
may do when the legislature convenes later this fall. Both the incumbent Liberal government and the PCs lack the majority they would need to win the confidence of the house and pass legislation.
"We
understand this is a minority situation," Austin said. "It requires
negotiation. There's going to have to be give and take. We're willing to
be part of that, but they have to be willing to part of that with us." Before
the election, the Alliance said in a tweet that it will decide how to
vote "bill by bill," deciding case by case whether to help pass
legislation rather than propping up one party.
CBC News
Kris Austin and Minto residents speak about political compromise potential
The People's Alliance Leader makes his first public comments regarding what their three MLAs may do. 0:50
Seeks formal agreement
But
Austin now says he'd also look at a more formal arrangement similar to
the NDP-Green agreement in British Columbia. The Greens agreed to
support the NDP on confidence votes and budgets for two years, in
exchange for a role in developing policy. "We're open to both
scenarios and that's the key," Austin said. "That's why we're still
internal discussions to try to think about the best way to make this
work." PC spokesperson Nicolle Carlin said leader Blaine Higgs
wouldn't comment on the idea of a formal deal "until he actually hears
from Mr. Austin. At this point, the two have not spoken."
Kris
Austin said Premier Brian Gallant has said Liberals won't work with the
People's Alliance, so it would likely work with the Progressive
Conservatives led by Blaine Higgs. (Photo: Canadian Press)
Monday's vote left the PCs with 22 seats, one more than the Liberals at 21. The Greens and the Alliance won three each. Despite
that, Premier Brian Gallant said he will use parliamentary rules that
give him the right to call the legislature and try to win enough support
to continue to govern. Gallant said during the campaign that he would not work with the PCs or the Alliance because they don't share Liberal "values."
2 parties ruled out co-operation
Austin said those comments suggest the Alliance is more likely to end up supporting the Tories. "I
think it's pretty obvious," he said. "With that said, we've always said
from day one that we're willing to work with any party that's willing
to work with us. What is unfortunate is the Liberals and the Greens have
made it clear they don't have the same feeling."
Green
Party Leader David Coon refused to discuss his options in such detail
Wednesday, saying he and his new MLAs want to look for ways to make the
legislature more co-operative to reflect the will of voters. "For us, it's really about doing things differently," Coon said. He
told reporters that the three other parties all have positions the
Greens could support, including the Alliance's promise to ban glyphosate
spraying. "That's a particular issue we could co-operate with them on," he said. He
said the Greens would not compromise on fundamental issues such as
language rights but didn't say what he'd do if he felt other parties
were threatening those rights. "I don't see that happening," Coon said said.
Softer language rules are Austin's priority
Austin
would not say whether the Alliance would have a red-line position — an
Alliance policy that he'd force a government to adopt in return for
support in the legislature. But he said his call to relax
bilingual hiring requirements for ambulance paramedics, a commitment PC
Leader Blaine Higgs has also made, will be the party's top priority. "That will be a big one for us, for sure." Several of the Alliance leader's positions have alarmed francophones.
On Tuesday, PC Robert Gauvin, newly elected
in Shippagan-Lamèque-Miscou and the party's only francophone MLA, said
he'd find it difficult to accept any co-operation between his party and
Austin's. "I'd love to have a coffee with him," Austin said. "I
would simply clarify what we've been saying all along and address any
concerns that he may have, or his constituents."
No conversations about crossing floor
People's Alliance candidate Rick DeSaulniers won in Fredericton-York. (CBC)
Monday's
election saw the Alliance elect its first ever MLAs. Besides Austin
himself, who has run in three elections, voters elected Michelle Conroy
in Miramichi and Rick DeSaulniers in Fredericton-York. So far, no other party has talked to any of them about crossing the floor, he said.
Austin
said Gallant's decision to try to hold on to power "may be
constitutionally and legally right, but I'm not so sure it's in the best
interests of the people." He said the premier should be clearer on how quickly he'll convene the legislature and attempt to win a confidence vote.
Michelle Conroy won in the riding of Miramichi. (Radio-Canada)
"'Before
Christmas' is pretty vague. Are we talking December 7 or December 14?
Are we talking Oct. 15? That's before Christmas, too. How do you read
that?" Because the election results haven't been certified,
Austin and his two colleagues haven't taken any steps to set up offices
at the legislature, he said. But he joked that among the staffers he may need to hire is an expert in parliamentary procedure. "We're
going to need some direction in that sense," he said. "We have a
general idea of how it works but we're certainly going to need some
advice."
We are a divided province.
The French are united we stand and the English are divided we will fall.
The Cons will never do anything but walk the fine line, trying not to
upset either group. So many bought into the foolish propaganda they
touted about splitting the vote. Meanwhile we continue to slide. Did
anyone bother to read the first article about our finances? Duality
costs and its a luxury we cant afford. Wake up English NB!
Marc Martin
@Tim Raworth Barney is putting wrong facts in your head, just the merging itself of
the 2 health authority will cost millions and at the end you still need
the staff to do the work.
Jeff Smith
I don't see how Liberals can
make a deal with both an extreme left and extreme right party. It's
going to be Higgs as Premiere with the PC's and making a deal with PA
after the confidence vote next month.
Fred Brewer
@Jeff Smith PC+PA = 22+3 =25-1 speaker =24 Lib+GRN= 21=3= 24 It's election time again!
Marc Martin
@Fred Brewer There is no way the cons will align themselves with the purple anti-francophone group it would be the death of its party.
Mack Leigh
@Marc Martin Why is it you
keep spout falsehoods with absolute glee ?? The PANB are not now , nor
have they ever been anti-francophone... They are however anti-waste,
anti-segregation, anti-marginalization of the majority, anti-forced
social engineering , anti-apartheid style governing, anti-unrealistic,
unnecessary and unwarranted language requirements, anti- treating anyone
who does not speak french like a second class citizen....... They are
pro-unity, pro-common sense, pro-balancing the budget, pro-fairness,
pro- treating every New Brunswicker the same however they are not, have
not and will never be anti-francophone.....
Marc Martin
@Mack Leigh *Why is it you keep spout falsehoods with absolute glee * Not falsehoods at all 90% of their platform is on language. *anti- treating anyone who does not speak french like a second class citizen* Again lies from PANB supporters, you have the same rights we do, you
have access to the same services, in the end this is all about
bitterness and jealousy for a few hundred jobs for the provincial
government of NB.
Matt Steele
It is a tough situation . The
Greens and the Liberals both believe in heavy taxes , and wasteful
spending ; but their numbers together only total 24 , 1 short of the
required 25 seats required . The PCs and the Peoples Alliance may be
able to work together for a total of 25 seats ; but then new PC MLA
Robert Gauvin will throw a hissy fit ; and jump to the Liberal party .
Meanwhile , the N.B. economy remains in the dumpster ; and the debt
continues to spin out of control !!!
Roy Nicholl
@Matt Steele Have you read the party platforms and polices of the parties you "slag".
Surprising to many folks, the Green Party has a fairly conservative
and sustainable approach to finances.
Marc Martin
@Matt Steele *Peoples Alliance may be able to work together for a total of 25 seats * WRONG its 24 seats, they would have to appoint a speaker.
Mack Leigh
@Marc Martin Thankfully they have the option of enticing a Green Party member to be Speaker......et voila !
Marc Martin
@Mack Leigh That wont happen.
Chris McNee
Any party that gets rid of 2
health care networks to 1 would get my vote next election (in 12 weeks)
our province is broke yet we have to health networks? Take all the pays
we give to a second set of executives and get us more drs.
Marc Martin
@Chris McNee The merge would cost millions and the cost savings would only be towards
directors, at the end you cant assume the staff can do double work,
stop thinking like Barney he's like the childrens cartoon.
Mack Leigh
@Marc Martin The merge would
save millions, end the constant push and pull that has been going on and
the me first mentality...... Why are you so against any cost savings
and collaboration ?? We need to leave our ego's and the me, me, me
mentality at the door and actually act in the best interest of all......
all of the people of New Brunswick....
Marc Martin
@Mack Leigh
*The merge would save millions* Says a failed pastor...Don't you think if they could save money the Libs
and Cons would have done it already, the merging would need
reorganising everything and would cost millions of $. *Why are you so against any cost savings and collaboration * I'm not at all against it, the thing is the saving of money would be minimum, and it would only save money In a few years. *need to leave our ego's and the me* The French are fighting to keep their rights and the anti-French PANB is fighting to remove these rights that a big difference. Paul Arseneault
You might want to put a hold
on that PC/PA alliance, Gauvin is getting cold feet and no wonder..if it
happens he is a one term MLA.
Marc Martin
@Paul Arseneault He will switch, ive heard people already have a rope with a tree for him.
Marc Martin
@Fred Brewer I actually think it would be the best.
New Brunswick election highlights language politics of Canada's only bilingual province
Polls suggest the next premier of New Brunswick after the Sept. 24 provincial election will be one of two very different men
New Brunswick Liberal Leader Brian Gallant
and wife Karine Lavoie are greeted by supporters after arriving at a
campaign stop in Oromocto, N.B., on September 1, 2018.THE CANADIAN PRESS/James West
New Brunswick is Canada’s only officially bilingual province, with
the closest balance in the nation of residents who speak our two
official languages.
Politically, though, language has long been a ticking time bomb.
“I
don’t think New Brunswick has ever resolved its cultural and linguistic
divide,” says Herb Emery, a professor at the University of New
Brunswick in Fredericton.
“Instead, it’s had premiers who have been very good at keeping a lid on it and keeping the peace.”
Polls suggest the next premier of New Brunswick after the Sept. 24 provincial election will be one of two very different men.
There’s
Brian Gallant, the bilingual Liberal incumbent who has been reticent to
wade into the province’s thorny language politics.
Then there’s
Blaine Higgs, the anglophone Tory leader who was briefly involved with
an anti-bilingualism party three decades ago but has since changed his
opinions and is taking weekly French classes.
When you play the language card ... it's a hot topic
Despite their differences, neither leader is likely eager to make bilingualism an issue in the campaign.
“When
you play the language card … it’s a hot topic,” says Christian Michaud,
a bilingual Moncton-based lawyer who has worked on language rights
cases and constitutional challenges as far as the Supreme Court.
“If you don’t do it properly you could face different levels of attack. It could backfire.”
There
was one language flare-up last week: A French-language leaders debate
was scrapped by Canada’s public broadcaster after Higgs said he couldn’t
debate in French and Gallant refused to take on a candidate that wasn’t
the leader.
New Brunswick Progressive Conservative Leader Blaine Higgs speaksat his
official nomination in Quispamsis, N.B., on Monday, Aug. 27, 2018.THE CANADIAN PRESS/James West“It made political sense for the Liberals to refuse to
participate in that debate, because they don’t even have to debate any
issue and they already appear to be the francophone-friendly party,”
says Mathieu Wade, a researcher with the Institute for Acadian Studies
at the Universite de Moncton.
The language rights act of 1969 is
credited with ushering in major social reform and safeguarding the
French language in New Brunswick, where in 2016 roughly 32 per cent of
people said French was their mother tongue, compared to about 65 per
cent English, according to census data.
But the incident offered a
glimpse into the language debate that still simmers. Official
bilingualism has sparked heated arguments in both English and French
over its benefits and costs.
In recent years, separate school bus
regimes for francophone and anglophone students, bilingual staffing for
paramedics, language obligations for municipalities, and even a
complaint — from the official languages commissioner — about a
unilingual commissionaire in a government building have all made
headlines in New Brunswick.
Bilingualism is a wedge issue in New Brunswick and the People's Alliance is prying it open
On one side of the debate, some equate so-called
duality — two institutions that each serve one linguistic community —
with duplication. They see the costs of providing English and French
services across New Brunswick as untenable in the cash-strapped
province.
Critics say the division of New Brunswickers among
linguistic lines — such as separate health care or school bus systems —
amounts to segregation, and that bilingualism requirements in the public
sector unfairly disadvantage anglophones.
It’s
a position that has been carefully sidestepped by the Progressive
Conservative party, historically seen as the party of choice among the
province’s anglophones.
The tension had been exploited in the past
by the Confederation of Regions Party, which won eight seats in 1991 on
a promise to strike the Official Languages Act from the province’s
books, and more recently by the People’s Alliance party.
New Brunswick Liberal Leader Brian Gallant speaks at a campaign stop in Oromocto, N.B., on Saturday, Sept. 1, 2018.THE CANADIAN PRESS/James WestPeople’s Alliance Leader Kris Austin, who lost his bid for a
seat by fewer than 30 votes during the last election and is running
again, promises a populist agenda — including ending duality by
combining English and French public services.
“Bilingualism is a wedge issue in New Brunswick and the People’s Alliance is prying it open,” Emery says.
“There
are some New Brunswickers that have never really gone along with
official bilingualism and they feel there is favouritism, and the party
is taking advantage of that.”
On the other side of the debate are
those who say their language rights can’t be reduced to dollars and
cents arguments about economic efficiency.
New Brunswickers have a
constitutional right to be served by the government in English or
French, and proponents of official bilingualism say the duality of
services helps prevent the assimilation of the minority francophone
population.
“Language can be taught, learned and forgotten,” Wade says. “It’s a very porous identity.”
“You need to create some boundaries for it to be preserved.”
Yet even among defenders of official bilingualism, some moderation of language laws is increasingly considered acceptable.
With
school buses, for example, Michaud says anglophone and francophone
students should be allowed on the same bus under certain circumstances.
“I would argue that on a school bus there is very little risk of assimilation,” he says.
The
school bus issue arose three years ago when the provincial government
discovered that students from French and English schools were travelling
on the same buses in a rural area of southeastern New Brunswick. The
school districts were ordered to stop the practice and added extra buses
to comply.
The Charter guarantees separate educational institutions for French and English, resulting in two distinct school boards.
As long as the scale economies are being achieved because you have a large enough clientele, duality is not more expensive
But Michaud says he doesn’t see a school bus as an
extension of the school. And even if bilingual school buses are a
breach of the charter — which he doubts — he says it would be a “very
limited breach” that would likely be considered reasonable.
“That’s
the thing with language rights,” Michaud says. “Some people use
language rights to the extreme where it’s about purity and that becomes
dangerous.”
He adds: “Language rights are there to allow for
francophones to ensure they protect their language and culture, but it
should not be a trump card for everything.”
Meanwhile, Emery says the idea that duality creates a duplication in the system is often false.
“As
long as the scale economies are being achieved because you have a large
enough clientele, duality is not more expensive,” he says, adding that
issues arise when there are smaller populations without the economies of
scale to run two systems.
Still, the economics professor says
much of the bilingualism debate is a distraction from the real issue New
Brunswickers should be focused on during this election campaign: The
economy.
“If our ability to pay for things falls, there are going to be things people value and care about on the chopping block.”
Université de Moncton
Mathieu Wade is a sociologist, currently completing a PhD at
l'Université du Québec à Montréal. His research focuses on the
structuring effect of Canada's and New Brunswick's linguistic regimes on
the construction of identity and collective mobilizations. He has also
worked on immigration in small francophone communities and on the
attraction and integration of international students on francophone
campuses. He currently teaches sociology at l'Université de Moncton.
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To promote and celebrate
mutual understanding, respect and appreciation between English-speaking
and French-speaking New Brunswickers.
Dialogue New Brunswick
sponsors a pen-pal program, presents the annual Lieutenant-governor's
Dialogue Awards and offers a variety of community-based activities.
Dialogue NB hopes to help 4 political parties find some cohesion
Non-profit group aims to help New Brunswick become a more socially cohesive province
Elizabeth Fraser · CBC News ·
Premier
Brian Gallant and Progressive Conservative Leader Blaine Higgs both
claimed they should be the premier after the close election results on
Monday night. (Photo: Canadian Press)
The 2018 election has created a divide in New Brunswick, and a non-profit group is hoping to play mediator.
Dialogue
New Brunswick, a group trying to help the province become a more
socially cohesive place, said it reached out to all four political
parties that won seats in the election Monday.
The
Moncton-based group wants to help the party leaders find ways to
overcome the divisiveness expressed at the polls and find a path toward
social cohesion.
"Frustrations
that were on the ground, are now finding a political voice, and this is
unchartered territory for us right now," said Mathieu Wade, Dialogue
NB's expert in residence.
"That's why it's important to reach out to political parties because they're in a new position."
Premier
Brian Gallant and PC Leader Blaine Higgs have been wrangling over who
gets to govern New Brunswick after the PCs reached a minority government
— 22 seats to the Liberals' 21 — in a legislature requiring 25 for a
majority.
Two third parties — the People's Alliance and the Green
Party — each won three seats. The Liberals are going after the Green
Party for support, and the People's Alliance says it will support the
PCs.
New Brunswick hasn't had a minority government since the 1920s.
Issues
that have caused division in the province lately include language
duality, as well as urban and rural differences, such as delays
in ambulance service, the alleged neglect of roads and bridges and the
loss of rural school and ferries.
Diaglogue NB said it is hoping
to act as a "guiding light" toward a cohesive society, particularly
among party leaders. Gallant has already said he won't work with the
People's Alliance or Progressive Conservatives.
"What we have to
untangle is, what are all those identities in play?" Wade said. "And how
do we untie all those knots that seem to focus solely on language?"
Information Morning - Moncton
Beyond identity politics in NB
06:0309:38
Dialogue New Brunswick
offers to help political parties address divisions in the province in
the aftermath of the provincial election. 9:37
"I think there are other issues and we have to address each of these issues one by one."
So
far, the group has received a response from one party, which found the
request a "really interesting" invitation. Dialogue NB wouldn't say
which party responded.
"We're not defending one group or another,"
Wade said. "Let's find constructive ways to talk to foster some sort of
unity and cohesion."
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Gregory Kennedy (directeur scientifique) gregory.kennedy@umoncton.ca Curriculum vitae Bio
Gregory Kennedy est directeur scientifique de l’IEA depuis le 1er mai
2015 et également professeur agrégé au Département d’histoire et de
géographie à l’Université de Moncton. En 1999, il obtient son
baccalauréat en histoire et en littérature de l’University of Winnipeg,
d’où il est originaire. Après sa maîtrise en histoire à l’University of
Western Ontario sous la direction d’Ian K. Steele, il poursuit ses
études doctorales à York University de 2003 à 2008 sous la direction de
T. J. A. LeGoff. Pendant son parcours universitaire, Gregory Kennedy a
été récipiendaire de plusieurs bourses et prix y compris la bourse
doctorale du Conseil de recherche en sciences humaines (CRSH), deux
Ontario Graduate Scholarships ainsi que la President’s Graduate
Scholarship de l’University of Western Ontario. D’ailleurs, il a publié
trois articles pendant ses études aux cycles supérieurs portant sur
divers sujets. Pendant l’année académique 2008-2009, Gregory Kennedy
était postdoctorant en histoire rattaché au Projet des recensements
canadiens de l’University of Guelph. Ses recherches ont contribué à la
production d’un article scientifique en collaboration avec Kris Inwood
consacré au développement d’un profil sur les officiers du recensement
de 1891 en Ontario.
Depuis son arrivée à l’Université de Moncton, en 2009, Gregory Kennedy
se démarque en études acadiennes, surtout dans le domaine de l’histoire
coloniale. Ses travaux sont publiés dans plusieurs revues savantes dont
La Revue d’histoire de l’Amérique française, the Journal of Family
History et Acadiensis. Son premier ouvrage, Something of a Peasant
Paradise? Comparing Rural Societies in Acadie and the Loudunais,
1604-1755, (Montreal-Kingston, McGill-Queens’ University Press, 2014).
Il a reçu le prix CLIO de la Société historique du Canada pour le
meilleur ouvrage scientifique portant sur l’histoire de la région
Atlantique en 2015. Cet ouvrage a également suscité l’intérêt du grand
public; en effet, le livre figurait parmi les trois finalistes de la
courte liste du Democracy 250 Atlantic Book Award for Historical
Writing.
Gregory Kennedy continue ses travaux en histoire acadienne. Son projet
consacré aux soldats acadiens de la Première Guerre mondiale a obtenu un
financement du Conseil de recherche en sciences humaines (CRSH) pour
trois ans. Son travail portant sur l’adaptation des communautés côtières
aux changements environnementaux en collaboration avec Omer Chouinard,
Céline Surette et l’équipe internationale ARTISTICC (www.artisticc.net)
lui a valu une bourse du CRSH dans le cadre du programme Développement
de partenariats. Son CV contient beaucoup plus d’informations par
rapport à ses subventions de recherche, ses activités d’enseignement et
son service à la collectivité.
Gregory Kennedy est membre de la Réserve des Forces armées canadiennes
depuis 1997. Promu au grade de lieutenant-colonel au novembre 2014, il
est le commandant du régiment North Shore (New Brunswick), une unité
d’infanterie localisée à Bathurst, Campbellton, Miramichi et Moncton.
Maurice Basque (conseiller scientifique) maurice.basque@umoncton.ca
506.858.4726
Bureau A042 Bio
Maurice Basque est conseiller scientifique à l’Institut d’études
acadiennes de l’Université de Moncton dont il a été le directeur de 2007
à 2010. Historien, il est spécialiste de l’Acadie coloniale et de
l’histoire de la culture politique acadienne. Il a publié de nombreux
articles et livres et en 1995, il a reçu le prix France-Acadie pour son
livre De Marc Lescarbot à l’AEEFNB, Histoire de la profession
enseignante acadienne au Nouveau-Brunswick, publié aux Éditions Marévie
d’Edmundston.
Il siège à de nombreux comités scientifiques nationaux et a participé
comme recherchiste à la réalisation de nombreux documentaires
historiques, dont Évangeline en Quête (ONF, 1994) de la cinéaste Ginette
Pellerin et Épopée (ONF, 1995) du cinéaste Herménégilde Chiasson qui a
remporté le prix « TV5 » pour le meilleur documentaire présenté au 11e
festival international du film francophone de Namur en Belgique en 1996.
Maurice Basque a également été chroniqueur à la radio de la Société
Radio-Canada de 1984 à 2010. En 2002, la France l’a fait Chevalier des
Palmes académiques et en 2003, Chevalier des Arts et des Lettres.
Maurice Basque a été président du Conseil consultatif de l’Ordre du
Nouveau-Brunswick. De 2005 à 2007, il a été président de l’Association
d’études canadiennes.
Corina Crainic (chercheure en études acadiennes) corina.crainic@umoncton.ca
506.858.4063 Bio
Corina Crainic est la récipiendaire de la première bourse postdoctorale
de l'Institut d'études acadiennes. Son projet de recherche, Représentation
de l'espace dans les oeuvres littéraires d'Édouard Glissant et
d'Antonine Maillet. Expériences francophones coloniales et
postcoloniales a été l'occasion de participer à des colloques, à un
entretien littéraire dans le cadre du Festival Frye et rédiger et
publier des articles scientifiques. Elle a par ailleurs enseigné le
cours « Introduction à la littératures des Caraïbes » au Département
d'études françaises de l'Université de Moncton à la session d'hiver
2016.
Après avoir obtenu un baccalauréat en littératures française et
québécoise de l’Université Laval et une maîtrise en études françaises de
l’Université McGill, Corina Crainic a complété un doctorat en
codirection à l’Université de Moncton (Jean Morency) et à l’Université
d’Anvers (Kathleen Gyssels).
Sa thèse, intitulée Le marron dans les œuvres de Simone
Schwarz-Bart, d’Édouard Glissant et de Patrick Chamoiseau. Figurations
américaines postcoloniales dans la littérature antillaise contemporaine,
porte sur la figure du marron dans les romans d’Édouard Glissant, de
Simone Schwarz-Bart et de Patrick Chamoiseau, personnage par lequel
s’expriment à la fois les préoccupations postcoloniales d’une
décolonisation de l’imaginaire et les élans propres à la sensibilité
américaine, correspondant en ce contexte à une re(connaissance) de
l’univers réel des Antilles et un dépassement de l’ancrage en une Europe
et une Afrique longtemps idéalisées.
Récipiendaire de la bourse doctorale du CRSH et de plusieurs bourses
d’excellence de l’Université de Moncton, elle a publié plusieurs
articles et présenté les résultats de ses recherches dans le cadre de
nombreux colloques scientifiques.
Isabelle Kirouac-Massicotte (postdoctorante en études acadiennes)
isabelle.kirouac-massicotte@umoncton.ca Curriculum vitae Bio
Isabelle Kirouac Massicotte est chercheure postdoctorale à lʼInstitut
dʼétudes acadiennes de lʼUniversité de Moncton, sous la direction de
Jean Morency. Ses travaux portent sur lʼesthétique de la minorisation
dans la littérature acadienne contemporaine. Après avoir complété son
doctorat en lettres françaises à lʼUniversité dʼOttawa en 2016, elle a
occupé le poste de lectrice dʼéchange canadienne à lʼUniversité de
Bologne en Italie, où elle a également assuré la coordination du Centre
interuniversitaire dʼétudes québécoises jusquʼen août 2017. Depuis 2015,
elle fait partie du comité éditorial de la revue de recherche-création Le Crachoir de Flaubert. Elle est également adjointe à la direction de la revue de critique et de théorie littéraire @nalyses.
Les littératures franco-canadiennes, québécoise et autochtones sont ses
corpus de prédilection. Elle sʼintéresse à lʼétude culturelle des
minorités, à lʼimaginaire minier, à la nordicité, à lʼœuvre dʼHubert
Aquin ainsi quʼaux archives et aux journaux dʼécrivains-es. Elle a
participé à de nombreux colloques au Canada et à lʼétranger et elle a
collaboré à plusieurs ouvrages collectifs et revues savantes. Elle a
également organisé plusieurs conférences, un atelier ainsi quʼun
colloque international et elle a co-dirigé plusieurs ouvrages
collectifs. Son livre, intitulé Des mines littéraires : lʼimaginaire minier dans les littératures de lʼAbitibi et du Nord de lʼOntario, sera publié à lʼhiver 2018 aux Éditions Prise de parole.
Mathieu Wade mathieu.wade@umoncton.ca Bio
Mathieu Wade a complété un doctorat en sociologie à l’Université du
Québec à Montréal en 2016, grâce à l’obtention d’une bourse du Conseil
de recherches en sciences humaines (CRSH) et une bourse d’excellence de
l’UQÀM. Sa thèse portait sur l’institutionnalisation du régime
linguistique canadien et ses effets sur les représentations et les
mobilisations des communautés francophones. Il a ensuite obtenu le stage
postdoctoral de l’Institut d’études acadiennes, lors duquel il s’est
intéressé à l’aménagement du territoire en Acadie.
Il a co-organisé deux colloques : l’un sur le thème Résistance, résilience et alliance : penser la francophonie canadienne différemment et l’autre sur le thème de La francophonie comme public : penser ses espaces, ses politiques et ses problèmes.
Il a co-dirigé un ouvrage collectif aux Presses de l’Université Laval
et a participé à de nombreux colloques en sociologie, en science
politique, en études littéraires et en éducation, notamment. Il a
également été invité à participer à deux panels à l’occasion des 25 ans
de la revue Francophonies d’Amérique. Il contribue également à la revue en ligne Astheure, et a prononcé la conférence d’ouverture dans le cadre de la conférence l’Acadie 2020 organisée par l’AlUMni. Il est chargé de cours au département de sociologie depuis 2013.
Il dirige actuellement le projet Histoire et patrimoine des communautés de la région de Kent mené dans le cadre d'un partenariat entre l'Institut d'études acadiennes et la Commission de services régionaux Kent.
Bob Rae says minority rule is all about numbers — but 3rd parties shouldn't overreach
Former politician has some experience with supporting and ending minority governments
Angela Bosse · CBC News ·
Bob Rae was in Fredericton this week to deliver a lecture on human rights and populism. (CBC News)
New
Brunswick is facing its first minority government in almost 100 years,
coupled with a ripple of populism that will bring two small parties to
greater prominence in the legislature.
This is unknown territory for voters and politicians alike.
Enter Bob Rae, who knows a thing or two about starting, and finishing, minority governments.
In 1979, it was Rae's motion as an NDP member of Parliament that precipitated the end of Joe Clark's minority government.
As
leader of Ontario's NDP during the minority election of 1985, Rae
signed an accord with the second-place David Peterson Liberals that
toppled Frank Miller's Progressive Conservatives, ending a 42-year-old
Tory dynasty and putting the Liberals in power.
In
minority governments you think you've got a lot of leverage if you're
the balance of power, as they say, but you've got to always be careful
not to overplay your hand.- Bob Rae, former federal cabinet minister
Then, as
a federal Liberal MP and interim party leader, Rae had a front-row seat
to Stephen Harper's two consecutive minority governments. The lesson
from all those political nail-biters?
"It's all about the
numbers," the now-retired politician said during a brief stop in
Fredericton to deliver a university lecture.
"It's not about the theories about what you can do, but can you actually do it?"
Bob Rae on the future of a minority government in New Brunswick
Former NDP premier and
Liberal leader Bob Rae said while minority coalition governments can
work well when there is a clear shared agenda, the numbers in New
Brunswick election are so close it's hard to tell if stability can be
achieved. 0:15
Despite Blaine Higgs's claim
that he should have the first chance to form government because he won
the most seats, Rae said Premier Brian Gallant has every right to try to
govern if he can.
"The question is will he be able to pull it off," Rae said.
"Looking at these numbers, it's hard for me to see how that lasts for four years, unless something dramatic happens."
In
New Brunswick, the past few days have been all about the political
drama as parties scramble to keep their footing following an election
with no clear victor.
On Monday, the PCs won 22 seats, the Liberals 21, and the Green and People's Alliance parties each won three.
New Brunswick Premier Bian Gallant intends to continue governing and is going after Green Party support. (James West/THE CANADIAN PRESS)
Gallant has
made clear he intends to continue governing, either on his own or in
co-operation with a third party, and he hopes to work something out with
the Greens.
"Our caucus believes that there are a lot of
commonalities that we could work on to ensure there's a progressive
government," Gallant said.
Both the Greens and the People's
Alliance could wield significant power over the future of New
Brunswick's government. Neither the Liberals nor the PCs can govern
without the support of one or both of the third parties.
How
those parties exercise that power also has significant implications for
their future political success. Rae warned third parties that forming a
coalition with larger partners can backfire if they try to overreach.
"In
minority governments you think you've got a lot of leverage if you're
the balance of power, as they say, but you've got to always be careful
not to overplay your hand," he said.
"The reality is that the
Liberal Party got 37 per cent and the Conservative Party got 32 per
cent, and that's a lot more than the other parties got."
Rae was
in Fredericton to give the annual Bernie Vigod lecture on human rights
at St. Thomas University. His subject, human rights in the age of
populism, also had resonance in New Brunswick's election.
People's Alliance Party Leader Kris Austin promised during his 'common sense' campaign that he would end language duality. (CBC)
Populism,
according to Oxford, is a political movement that "strives to appeal to
ordinary people who feel that their concerns are disregarded by
established elite groups."
Both the People's Alliance and the
Green Party share some populist roots, even if they do occupy opposite
ends of the political spectrum.
We
have a premier in Ontario who said he won a massive majority. Well he
won 40 per cent of the vote. Mr. Trump didn't have a majority, he lost
the popular vote. - Bob Rae
Rae
cautions that populism may have legitimate roots, but that it is
vulnerable to chauvinism and manipulation by demagogues, particularly
the Donald Trump brand of "me first" politics that most people associate
with populism today.
Kris Austin's "common sense" approach
appeals to the concerns of many ordinary New Brunswickers, but his
linguistic policy and opposition to duality have francophones worried
about their constitutional language rights.
Green Party Leader
David Coon has made it clear his party is opposed to the Alliance's
language policies. At the same time, Coon has said his economic policy
would shift investment inward to focus on businesses and co-operatives
at the community level, instead of courting larger corporations.
He
said the Green Party would support "co-operatives at the community
level that are community-based, locally owned and particularly that are
focused on meeting the needs of New Brunswickers to help reduce our
imports, and that will keep more money in our economy, creating more
jobs here and more opportunity here."
Coon's vision of a
self-sufficient New Brunswick demonstrates populist tendencies when it
comes to the economy, and his party's grassroots environmental movement
does set itself against the political status quo of Liberals and PCs —
take the party's popular bumper sticker slogan "David Coon works for
me," for example.
The
Green Party, which, like the People's Alliance, won three seats, could
also play an important role in what happens next with the New Brunswick
government. (Sarah Morin/CBC)
"Populism, if
you're not careful, can tip over the edge and say this is about the
majority getting whatever the hell they want," Rae said. "And then you
say, 'Wait a minute, who decides what the majority want?' We have a
premier in Ontario who said he won a massive majority. Well he won 40
per cent of the vote. Mr. Trump didn't have a majority, he lost the
popular vote."
Rae said human rights are about protecting minorities, which creates a conflict with populism.
"That's
not always popular for a court to say, 'We're going to protect that
minority and we're going to do what needs to be done to protect it.'
"In
the case of New Brunswick, it's the language issue, it's a classic. We
have laws that protect the linguistic minority, and if you just throw
that overboard you're into pretty dangerous territory."
About the Author
Angela Bosse
Reporter
Angela Bosse is a reporter with CBC New Brunswick.
Green MLA Kevin Arseneau says he'll put Kent North first
Kevin Arseneau says he was approached by Liberals and PCs but wasn't asked to cross the floor
CBC News ·
Kent
North MLA Kevin Arseneau said he was approached by the Liberals and PCs
but wasn't asked to to join either party in efforts to govern. (Tori Weldon/CBC)
Kent
North's newest MLA, Kevin Arseneau, says he will represent the people
of the riding before he represents Green Party interests.
"I have
a problem with this tight, tight party line, where you have to — and
I've heard horror stories from other politicians of how they use the
party line to intimidate MLAs into taking certain decisions."
If I represent these people, I've got to feel, understand, experience what they're living. - Kevin Arseneau, elected in Kent North
Arseneau said that's not the type of politics he wants to be a part of, and suggested he ran because the Green Party agrees.
"I
really like the fact that, you know, I get to represent the people of
Kent North before putting the interests of the party first."
Arseneau won the formerly Liberal seat with 4,056 votes, one of three wins for the Greens on Monday.
"During
my campaign I wanted to understand — I have to represent some
fishermen — if I wanted to understand what they were doing, I wanted to
go on a boat for a whole day."
Even though people cautioned him from spending too much time doing that, Arseneau said he felt he had to.
"If I represent these people, I've got to feel, understand, experience what they're living."
Arseneau described this as the on-the-ground way he plans to do his job as MLA.
Change wanted
As he campaigned door-to-door, Areseneau said, he was told over and over that people wanted a change.
"They
told me they were fed up with this blue-red kind of always fighting
together. And we see that they're continuing to do it."
He
was referring to Premier Brian Gallant and Progressive Conservative
Leader Blaine Higgs each expecting to govern after a close election left
the PCs with one more seat than the Liberals.
"Both of them are wanting to grasp on power instead of just working together for the better of everyone."
Arseneau said he believes this is why so many voters were fed up.
I
told them basically, we have met already with the Green caucus and
we're converging today to meet in person and having a long work meeting
about this. - Kevin Arseneau
"This is what I was hearing at the door, and I was giving them a message a lot more positive."
The
Green Party and People's Alliance will each have three seats in the
legislature, which could give the Greens or the Alliance some unexpected
influence.
Arseneau said his campaign included supporting all
cultures and languages, and he wants to continue working the same way,
rather than being like the People's Alliance, which he said is causing
division.
"In the riding, we've stopped shale gas by coming all together," he said.
No rush for alliance
Arseneau said the Green Party is in no rush to form alliances with any other political party, he said.
Representatives of other parties have been in touch and want an answer right away, but the party is taking its time replying.
"We're
going to take a little bit of time and talk about it and see what the
different options are and try to chose the best option for my riding and
for the people of New Brunswick as a whole."
Arseneau confirmed
he was himself approached by other parties about possibly sitting down
and talking with them or working with with them but said there were no
invitations to cross the floor.
Information Morning - Moncton
NB Votes - Kevin Arseneau
Kevin Arseneau, winner in the riding of Kent North talks about the Green party's role in a minority government. 9:30
"I
told them basically, we have met already with the Green caucus and
we're converging today to meet in person and having a long work meeting
about this."
When asked who the Green Party would likely form an
alliance with, the new MLA said he wasn't sure, since the party has a
trust and confidence problem with the Liberals and an ideology problem
with the PCs.
Most popular NDP candidate questions party's future after dismal election
Jean-Maurice Landry said the party ignored his ideas to support northern New Brunswick
Robert Jones · CBC News ·
Jean-Maurice
Landry was the most successful candidate fielded by the NDP in
September's general election, but he questions whether the party can
survive given its poor showing. (CBC)
The
most successful NDP candidate from last week's New Brunswick election
is not convinced the party will survive after its dismal showing at the
polls, at least in his part of the province.
"I'm not too sure
about the NDP's future in the north because of the way they conducted
the campaign," said Jean-Maurice Landry.
"There's certainly room for a third party in northern New Brunswick — as to which one, time will tell."
Landry,
a blueberry grower and activist, put up a scrappy fight against Liberal
cabinet minister and five-term MLA Denis Landry in Bathurst
East-Nepisiguit-Saint-Isidore. He finished second with 30 per cent of
the vote, eating deeply into Liberal support even as the provincial NDP
was melting away around him.
The 2,026 votes cast for Landry was
triple what the NDP managed in the riding in the past election and 90
per cent higher than what any other NDP candidate in the province
received.
It was also more than double the votes cast for leader Jennifer McKenzie in Saint John Harbour.
Jean-Maurice
Landry, NDP candidate for Bathurst East-Nepisiguit-Saint-Isidore, more
than doubled the number of votes earned by NDP Leader Jennifer McKenzie. (Photo: CBC)
Still, Landry believes he could have done better.
He
said the party rejected his platform ideas about the need for greater
help for northern communities and sent him organizational help only in
the final two weeks of the campaign when it became obvious he alone was
connecting with voters.
Landry said he was further handicapped by missing the first 10 days of the campaign while tending to his blueberry harvest.
In
2016, blueberry grower Jean-Maurice Landry led a local protest over low
prices in front of the offices of local Liberal MLA Denis Landry in
Saint-Isidore,before running against the cabinet minister in September's
general election for the NDP. He finished second with 30 per cent of
the vote, the best result for the NDP in the province. (CBC)
"We knew we were going to get a good result, but we simply ran out of time," said Landry.
"The result did not surprise me."
Worst result in 44 years
In
an election where New Brunswick voters were moving their support in
large numbers to alternative parties, like the Greens and People's
Alliance, the NDP struggled to appeal to the public and was mostly
ignored.
The party attracted just over 19,000 votes on election
night — a 60 per cent drop from 2014 and its worst result in a
provincial New Brunswick election in 44 years.
In 1974, it won 9,000 votes after fielding a limited number of 35 candidates.
On
election night last week, NDP Leader Jennifer McKenzie declared the
party "is back" but given mostly poor results all around the province
that sounded optimistic.
CBC News
The NDP Leader Jennifer McKenzie admits defeat
00:0010:26
NDP Leader Jennifer
McKenzie's hopes of getting the party back to its roots and into the
legislature were crushed Monday when she went down to defeat in Saint
John Harbour. 10:26
NDP support dropped to
one per cent in some ridings and, of its 49 candidates, only Landry got
enough votes to qualify for campaign expense reimbursements from
Elections New Brunswick, which are payable to those with 15 per cent of
the vote or more.
"The north is a very fertile ground. I think my campaign has proven that," said Landry.
"When you look at five per cent provincially and 30 per cent here in this riding, I think we did something right."
'Local people's issues were not well reflected'
Landry's
campaign focused on the north not getting the same share of road and
job creation money as southern New Brunswick and other local issues he
said he could not interest the provincial party in highlighting.
"Local
people's issues were not well reflected in the different parties'
platforms, including the NDP," he said. "We are considered a remote area
when in reality we are closer to Montreal and Toronto than Fredericton,
Moncton or Saint John. The NDP was not too keen on making our local
platform here public."
Landry said it is "too soon" for him to
consider whether he will run again and, if he does, whether it will be
as a New Democrat.
But he does question whether it makes sense for
the Green Party and the NDP to both be running candidates against one
another in future elections.
"Given the current situation, that may have to be reconsidered," he said.
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PC
Leader Blaine Higgs said there will be no coalitions, not even with the
People's Alliance, although that party's leader, Kris Austin, has
indicated he'd likely support the PCs. (CBC)
If
Higgs can win the votes of the Greens or the People's Alliance — each
has three MLAs — he can eke out a functioning majority in the
legislature.
The Alliance elected three MLAs on Monday night in mostly anglophone rural ridings. (CBC)
Robert Melanson doesn't believe Kris Austin is not anti-bilingualism. (CBC)
Yvon Lapierre said francophones are worried they are losing ground in New Brunswick. (CBC)
Kris
Austin says the People's Alliance Party would have to have a formal
agreement to support another party in a minority government. (CBC)
Kris
Austin said Premier Brian Gallant has said Liberals won't work with the
People's Alliance, so it would likely work with the Progressive
Conservatives led by Blaine Higgs. (Photo: Canadian Press)
People's Alliance candidate Rick DeSaulniers won in Fredericton-York. (CBC)
Michelle Conroy won in the riding of Miramichi. (Radio-Canada)
Université de Moncton
Premier
Brian Gallant and Progressive Conservative Leader Blaine Higgs both
claimed they should be the premier after the close election results on
Monday night. (Photo: Canadian Press)
Mathieu Wade
Jean-Maurice
Landry was the most successful candidate fielded by the NDP in
September's general election, but he questions whether the party can
survive given its poor showing. (CBC)
NDP Leader Jennifer
McKenzie's hopes of getting the party back to its roots and into the
legislature were crushed Monday when she went down to defeat in Saint
John Harbour. 10:26
NDP support dropped to
one per cent in some ridings and, of its 49 candidates, only Landry got
enough votes to qualify for campaign expense reimbursements from
Elections New Brunswick, which are payable to those with 15 per cent of
the vote or more.
Jean-Maurice
Landry, NDP candidate for Bathurst East-Nepisiguit-Saint-Isidore, more
than doubled the number of votes earned by NDP Leader Jennifer McKenzie. (Photo: CBC)
Still, Landry believes he could have done better.
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