Public Safety Minister Carl Urquhart you expect the best care for anybody, both inside prison and outside prison N'esy Pas?

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Methinks everybody knows I have irrefutable proof of my false arrest and imprisonment by the Crown but that don't count because of my Scottish heritage N'esy Pas?

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https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/julie-arseneau-ultrasound-miscarriage-miramichi-jail-1.4926332

Woman learns of miscarriage after jail denies her ultrasound

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Marguerite Deschamps

Over and above all this; she was punished because she is unilingual French and did not understand the English orders to perform certain chores.
https://ici.radio-canada.ca/nouvelle/1138649/centre-correctionnel-femme-fausse-couche

Marguerite Deschamps

... so much for the unilingual English being unable to get government jobs, I might add, a falsehood continuously perpetrated by the same folks on here over and over again.

David Amos

@Marguerite Deschamps Yea Right

Marguerite Deschamps

@David Amos, just read the link given that you state that you understand French!

Marc Bourque

@Marguerite Deschamps She had years to learn english just like the english had 40 years to learn french.I dont take pity on people who bury their heads in the sand,either francophone or anglophone.

Marguerite Deschamps

@David Amos, here I translated it for you:

In addition, Julie Arseneau and her lawyer say they had difficulty getting French service in the correctional centre. The young woman claims that only some of the prison guards speak French and that she has sometimes been in trouble when asked to do tasks and she does not understand what she was asked to do. Whenever I was told that I had to pass the broom, well I did not understand, because I did not understand the word broom. I was locked 24 hours [in 24] in my cell.

I was being punished because I am not bilingual.

Julie Arseneau

She says that it goes against New Brunswick's Official Languages Act. His lawyer also said he had difficulty getting French service when he called the correctional centre to speak to his client just before the November 13 appearance.

Marguerite Deschamps

@Marc Bourque, actually, no one is forced to learn either language if they don't want to. I have pity for her just like I would have for an Anglophone who could not get government services in his language. What I have no pity for is those who complain that they cannot get jobs because they are not bilingual, Anglophones as well as Francophones.

Ray Sweetman

@Marguerite Deschamps - it's true...there is a glass ceiling for those of us that are the majority (Anglophone). I find it VERY hard to believe that someone here age in 21st century Canada CANNOT speak English!!!

Ray Sweetman

@Marguerite Deschamps - the OLA is foolish and discriminatory. First off, there should not be an OLA and secondly; a linguistic and cultural majority should not have to bow to a vocal minority.

Marguerite Deschamps

@Ray Sweetman, you are one of those who chooses to believe what he wants to believe.

David Amos

@Marguerite Deschamps Methinks my political foes know me well enough to know there was no need to translate FYI I read both articles before I posted two words. What folks should notice is the difference in the two articles from the same source then ask themselves why that is N'esy Pas?

Marguerite Deschamps

@David Amos, easy answer; some of the whole truth was omitted here.

David Amos

@Marguerite Deschamps "just read the link given that you state that you understand French!"

Methinks I gave you this link long ago when you teased me about my politics N'esy Pas?

https://www.scribd.com/doc/2718120/integrity-yea-right

David Amos

@Marguerite Deschamps "easy answer; some of the whole truth was omitted here."

Methinks should ask by whom and why just before the confidence vote tomorrow N'esy Pas?

Marguerite Deschamps

@David Amos, by the looks of it, you seem as annoying as those Freemen on the Land.

Pierre Adam Bulger

@Ray Sweetman the french were here first , if you aint happy about their rights you could always go back to where your ancestors comes from.

Kevin Perley

@Marguerite Deschamps It's interesting you think the language issue is the most important take away from this story.

David Amos

@Marguerite Deschamps "by the looks of it, you seem as annoying as those Freemen on the Land."

Methinks you are the one who loves to annoy people You know as well as I that I merely try to hold the "Powers That Be" accountable for their wrongs byway of litigation and running for public office N'esy Pas?

David Amos

@Marguerite Deschamps Methinks you should ask New Brunswick's the ex cop and latest Minister of Public Safety Carl Urquhart how well he knows me and of his involvement in my false arrest in 2008 and the police harassment since. It is mentioned in my lawsuit that you make fun of N'esy Pas?

Mack Leigh

@Marguerite Deschamps

Wow, really playing the language card to the hilt , isn't she....

Mack Leigh

@Marguerite Deschamps

Where is the ... proof..... that she did not speak or understand English.. This whole thing smacks of the same crap when the S.. made their complaint regarding paramedics...... Both of those people speak, read and write English......... So once again ; where is the proof ??

Mack Leigh

@Pierre Adam Bulger

The Indigenous people were here first, then the Vikings, then the land was claimed for England well before French... Suggest you study history a little more....or do you only follow the " History according to the Elite "...

David Amos

@David Amos "by the looks of it, you seem as annoying as those Freemen on the Land."

Methinks everybody knows the antics of the mindless "Freemaen On The Land" do not hold a candle to the malicious nonsense practiced by the Federally Funded SANB people N'esy Pas?

Paul Bourgoin

Where are we going with such lack of common sense! She must have been a french women in an English Jail!!!!!

Marguerite Deschamps

@Paul Bourgoin; she was! And I have a lot of reliable information about how Francophones are treated in New Brunswick jails.

Jean LeBlanc

@Marguerite Deschamps Hopefully they are treated badly. It's jail.

Marguerite Deschamps

@Jean LeBlanc, it still is discrimination when you are treated badly just because you do not speak the language of the majority.

Marguerite Deschamps

@Jean LeBlanc, furthermore, she was in pretrial remand where the presumption of innocence applies. This is Canada and not Saudi Arabia.

Jean LeBlanc

@Marguerite Deschamps Don't worry, she's convicted now.

Marguerite Deschamps

@Jean LeBlanc, what if she had been innocent? It's not as if it didn't happen before. There is a long list of wrongful convictions in this country.

Marguerite Deschamps

... and even more derained people ending up being acquitted, I might add.

David Amos

@Marguerite Deschamps "I have a lot of reliable information about how Francophones are treated in New Brunswick jails."

Methinks everybody knows I have irrefutable proof of my false arrest and imprisonment by the Crown but that don't because of my Scottish heritage N'esy Pas?

Jean LeBlanc

Definitely unfortunate. Even more unfortunate are the choices that led her to this point in her life. Hopefully she will avoid harming other people in the future if she reflects on how those choices played out this time around.

David Amos

@Jean LeBlanc Methinks I should ask who are you to judge the young lady we pay judges to do that on our behalf N'esy Pas?

Stephen Dueck

Someone should lose their job over this...it’s shameful

David Amos

@Stephen Dueck "Someone should lose their job over this...it’s shameful"

Methinks their union would make certain that never happens N'esy Pas?

June Arnott

What kind of people are running things here? This should never ever happen. It’s sickening to know that there are types of people who have no common sense working here. Why would anyone be treated so savagely??

David Amos

@June Arnott Methinks you should be careful using the term "common sense" you will may fire up the former president of SANB to go on a rant in the Legislature all over again N'esy Pas?

Jean LeBlanc

As a native frenchman, I'm disapointed that this happened but in the same token I can understand why bad things happen to people who make choices that wind them up in jail. It's sad, but entirely her fault.

Marguerite Deschamps

@Jean LeBlanc, not only are you way out in left field; you're not even in the ballpark.

SarahRose Werner

@Jean LeBlanc - It's her fault she went to jail? Yes. It's her fault she was denied medical care and suffered a miscarriage? No.

SarahRose Werner

@Jean LeBlanc - If man in jail has a heart attack, he has a right to medical care. If a woman in jail is pregnant and starts bleeding, she has a right to medical care. This is basic stuff, like also having rights to food, shelter and clothing while in jail.

Jean LeBlanc

@SarahRose Werner Jail is not a nice place. Bad things happen there. Should bad things happen? No, but they do. It's the nature of the game. It's not an all-inclusive in the Dominican (by the way, you're less likely to get medical treatment there) it's jail. It's no fun being there and you lose privileges and rights that law-abiding citizens enjoy when you do things that end you up there.

I guess I'd just prefer to feel bad for the people she harmed than worry about her having a miscarriage which has happened to lots of people I know who were not criminals . People equipped to providing a baby with the quality of life that would ensure they thrived and excelled in the world rather than setting them off on a path to failure from the start.

You'd probably have less of a positive opinion about this if you were the one she stole from. If anything, the realization that jail is a place where you don't receive the level of care you are accustomed to as a non-criminal should serve as an adequate deterrent to further crimes.

Martin Clark

@Jean LeBlanc

Your comment is sick. The worst I've read on this site for ages.

Noone deserves to be treated the way you think they do.

Jean LeBlanc

@Martin Clark No one deserves to have their home and property disrespected and stolen either, but you don't seem to have a problem with that.

David Amos

@Marguerite Deschamps "not only are you way out in left field; you're not even in the ballpark."

Methinks you have things bassackwards as usual Mr Leblanc is way out in right field while you are out in left field and both of you are in the wrong ball park because this article is about Health Care not French or Criminal issues N'esy Pas?

 
Martin Clark

Why didn't she get an ultrasound the first time she went to the hospital? Don't they do these at hospitals when someone shows up in this situation?

"The next day, while at a court appearance in Edmundston, the 21-year-old started bleeding and was immediately transported to hospital.

There, a doctor wrote a letter saying she needed to have an ultrasound done as soon as she was back at the Miramichi Women's Correctional Centre, Arseneau told Radio-Canada."

David Amos

@Martin Clark Methinks I should wish you luck getting a straight answer to a simple question from a politician who is an ex cop N'esy Pas?

Chesterfield Chair

@David Amos Why do you start every answer with "Methinks" and end it with "N'esy Pas"?

David Amos

@Chesterfield Chair Methinks I would be a fool to answer anyone who pretends that that is their real name N'esy Pas?

Chesterfield Chair

@David Amos It's Chester, yeah. I add the "field" part to be funny, I guess. The question still remains.

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David Amos

@Chesterfield Chair Methinks a troll by any other name is still smells like a troll N'esy Pas?

David Amos

@David Amos Methinks that reply reply was blocked in record time However the rules are the rules N'esy Pas?

"To encourage thoughtful and respectful conversations, first and last names will appear with each submission to CBC/Radio-Canada's online communities (except in children and youth-oriented communities). Pseudonyms will no longer be permitted."

 
Colin Seeley

Why did the Dr. In Edmundston not order an immediate
Ultrasound while she was there.

They knew she was pregnant.

Why did the Dr. just write a note and pass the buck to Miramichi to do the ultrasound.

This whole thing just stinks. Nobody deserves inhumanity.

David Amos

@Colin Seeley Methinks you claim to be a nurse perhaps you should ask your beloved Ministers Carl Urquhart and Ted Flemming N'esy Pas?

 
Barbara Quigley

Interview Carl again after he gets the "specifics", please.

David Amos

@Barbara Quigley Methinks that interview would be a hoot to view particularly after his infamous French blogging buddy adds his two bits to this issue N'esy Pas?

 
Daniel Rawlins

More proof you are guilty till proved innocent. Her circumstance may have been of her own making but there is no excuse for her not getting the medical aid she needed and should definitely have received. If this had happened outside of the corrections system someone would be answering 'negligence' charges.

David Amos

@Daniel Rawlins I agree

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David Amos

@Daniel Rawlins Methinks folks should as the latest Minister of Public Safety about my being arrested without a warrant or charges on his and Greggy Thompson's behalf. Then being assaulted by the RCMP and the hospital guards and nurses in the DECH in Fat Fred City in 2008 all the politicians know Urquhart made matters attempted to have his cop pals do it again to my son and I two years later on election night in 2010 N'esy Pas?

David Amos

@David Amos Why is it i was not surprised to see that reply blocked?

Woman learns of miscarriage after jail denies her ultrasound

Julie Arseneau says she was refused access to a doctor when she started bleeding at jail

CBC News · Posted: Nov 29, 2018 7:03 PM AT

Julie Arseneau was pregnant at a Miramichi jail, but she was refused health care after she started bleeding. A month later, she learned she had lost the baby. (Radio-Canada)

A woman who was pregnant while in the Miramichi women's jail said she was denied access to a doctor after she started to bleed and later learned she lost her baby.

Julie Arseneau of Edmundston was arrested Oct. 16, when she was two months pregnant. She was charged with breaking and entering and breach of probation.

The next day, while at a court appearance in Edmundston, the 21-year-old started bleeding and was immediately transported to hospital.

There, a doctor wrote a letter saying she needed to have an ultrasound done as soon as she was back at the Miramichi Women's Correctional Centre, Arseneau told Radio-Canada.

But almost a week later, on Oct. 22, at another court appearance, the judge was shocked that never happened.

Judge Natalie LeBlanc left the courtroom to call the jail herself, according to Arseneau's lawyer, Shawn Beaulieu, who was in court but not assigned to the case at the time.

But that did little to help Arseneau's case.

"I bled profusely for almost two weeks," said Arseneau.

They could have done something. If you have a head on your shoulders, you know a pregnant woman bleeding is not normal. You have to bring her to the hospital.- Julie Arseneau

She went back to the jail after her appearance and would remain there for another 20 days, without ever getting the ultrasound.

At that point, her lawyer decided to ask for a provisional release.

On Nov. 13, Arseneau pleaded guilty to some of the charges she was facing and was released on conditions.

Finally sees doctor

In the days after her release, Arseneau was seen by a doctor and an ultrasound was performed — about a month after her first bleed. What she dreaded was then confirmed: she lost her baby.

Arseneau doesn't know if she had the miscarriage before or after going to jail, or whether having an ultrasound sooner would have changed anything. But she said she thinks jail staff didn't handle her case properly.

"They could have done something," she said. "If you have a head on your shoulders, you know a pregnant woman bleeding is not normal. You have to bring her to the hospital."

Shawn Beaulieu, Arseneau's lawyer, said even an accused individual has rights. (Radio-Canada)

Arseneau's lawyer said he was at a loss to understand how this happened.

"It's unacceptable for someone who is in remand not being able to see a doctor when they're pregnant and bleeding," Beaulieu said.

"Even if someone is accused, they have rights."

Public Safety not commenting yet

The Department of Public Safety, meanwhile, refused to comment, citing confidentiality, but said it took seriously its responsibility to offer health services to incarcerated people.

Public Safety Minister Carl Urquhart said during a media scrum at the New Brunswick legislature that he couldn't comment on the matter because he hasn't been given the specifics.

Public Safety Minister Carl Urquhart spoke to reporters at the New Brunswick legislature on Thursday but said he didn't know the specifics of Arseneau's case. (CBC)

"On face value … you expect the best care for anybody, both inside prison and outside prison, and I certainly feel that in any situation that the best health care that can be provided should be," Urquhart told reporters.

Opposition parties have called for an inquiry into the case — something the minister said he will consider once given all the facts.

Arseneau is due back in court on Feb. 13 for sentencing but she said she and her lawyer will do everything they can so that she doesn't have to go back to the Miramichi prison.

With files from Radio-Canada

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