David Raymond Amos @DavidRayAmos
Replying to @DavidRayAmos @Kathryn98967631 and 49 others
Mr McCain can bet thin Canadian dimes to to fat Yankee petrodollars that I called his buddy Leor Rotchild and left a message as soon as I watched him talk over our airwaves
https://davidraymondamos3.blogspot.com/2020/01/maple-leaf-foods-ceo-takes-aim-at-us.html
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/maple-leaf-foods-ceo-michael-mccain-twitter-comments-1.5427178
Business group urges companies to follow Michael McCain's lead after anti-Trump tweets
Maple Leaf Foods CEO says U.S. president shares in blame for downed Ukrainian plane
CBC News · Posted: Jan 14, 2020 9:18 PM AT
Maple Leaf Foods President and CEO Michael McCain posted a series of tweets Sunday on the corporate account sharing his grief for a colleague who lost his wife and son in the downed Ukranian plane over Iran. (Colin Butler/CBC News)
More companies should take bold stands the way Maple Leaf Foods CEO Michael McCain did in a surprising bit of online outspokenness this week, says the executive director of Canadian Business for Social Responsibility.
Leor Rotchild said he supports the New Brunswick-born CEO of a major publicly traded company using the corporate Twitter account to empathize with a colleague who lost his wife and 11-year-old son in the downed Ukranian plane in Iran last week and to articulate his anger with the Trump administration.
Two Iranian missiles shot down Ukraine International Airlines Flight PS752, killing all 176 people on board, including 57 Canadians. Iran has said that its Revolutionary Guard shot down the plane by mistake as the force braced for a possible military confrontation with the United States.
In four tweets posted Sunday evening, McCain expressed his anger at the loss of life stemming from a "needless, irresponsible series of events in Iran," while casting blame on U.S. President Donald Trump for escalating tensions with an "ill-conceived plan to divert focus from political woes."
…U.S. government leaders unconstrained by checks/balances, concocted an ill-conceived plan to divert focus from political woes. The world knows Iran is a dangerous state, but the world found a path to contain it; not perfect but by most accounts it was the right direction…
..A
narcissist in Washington tears world accomplishments apart;
destabilizes region. US now unwelcomed everywhere in the area including
Iraq; tensions escalated to feverish pitch. Taking out despicable
military leader terrorist? There are a hundred like him, standing next
in line
The tweets sparked a broad conversation not only about the tragedy and where culpability lies but also the role of a corporate leader, who is responsible to shareholders, using the company's extended platform for his "personal reflections."
Rotchild said the CEO was courageous and authentic in conveying his vulnerability and empathy for a grieving colleague.
"I think it reflects what many Canadians are feeling right now," he told CBC News in an interview Tuesday. "I think, in some ways, he gave voice to that."
He said McCain comments track with the company's outspokenness on issues like food security climate change — it's shifting its operations to be carbon neutral.
Rotchild urged more companies to follow his lead in taking stands, even if there might be repercussions.
Leor Rotchild is the executive director of Canadian Business for Social Responsibility, an organization of at least 20 companies striving to become more sustainable and socially responsible. (CBC)
"We hope more Canadian companies will choose to have a high profile and differentiate themselves by taking a stand on issues that really align with their values and purpose," he said.
"It makes them more human to consumers and investors that are discerning of companies and wondering whether they're going to be part of the new economy or not."
Some of the responses dismissed McCain's comments, telling him to stay in his lane, while others called for a boycott of Maple Leaf Foods and its subsidiaries.
Rotchild doubted there would be much of a significant negative impact on the company. He said the situation reminds him of Nike's Colin Kaepernick ad campaign in which the shoe giant built the entire campaign around the former NFL quarterback best known for spurring player protests over racial inequality and police brutality.
"In the short term, there were people who talked about burning their Nike shoes," he said. "In the long term it proved to be a profitable move for that company and they saw their sales increase."
With files from Harry Forestell
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38 Comments
David Raymond Amos
Mr McCain can bet thin Canadian dimes to to fat Yankee petrodollars that I called his buddy Leor Rotchild and left a message as soon as I watched him talk over our airwaves
John Smith
Reply to @David Raymond Amos: that takes some grapefruits
David Raymond Amos
Reply to @john smith: Clearly you underestimate me
Marc Bourque
Does he have putty for brains!! Its the Iranians military that took the decision to shoot down a plane that just left the airport,DONT BLAMING THE USA .BTW Iam no fan of the Don!
David Raymond Amos
Reply to @Marc
Bourque: Methinks you should reconsider matters like I have done There
is no harm in changing one's mind once more information is available It
turned out that the world is not flat, the moon does go around the earth
and the earth around the sun much to the chagrin of a few Popes N'esy
Pas?
Fred Brewer
Reply to @Marc Bourque:
1) USA kills Iran's top general.
2) In retaliation Iran fires missiles into two USA army bases.
3) Fully expecting retaliation from the USA, Iran is on full alert and nervous.
4) Iran shoots down a passenger jet that it fully admits it thought was a hostile attack by the USA.
How is the USA not at least partly to blame? This all started with the killing of the general.
Matt Steele
Reply to @Fred
Brewer: ......You may want to do a little research as the chain of
events started long before the killing of an Iranian General who had a
long history of extreme violence and torture . It has been on going for
SEVERAL YEARS !
Jake Newman
Reply to @Fred Brewer: There is no blame on the US.
Fred
Brewer
Reply to @Matt
Steele: That is not the point. This is not about justification for the
killing or the past history. It is simply that the killing was the event
that lead directly to the downing of flight 752.
Fred
Brewer
Reply to @Jake
Newman: The USA committed a war crime when it assassinated the General
and trump vows he will continue to commit war crimes contrary to
International Law. The blame must be shared with Iran mostly to blame
and the USA partly to blame.
Jake Newman
Reply to @Fred
Brewer: the so called international laws are bogus. countries are
always breaking them, and only call it out when something happens
directly to them. The US should pull out of the UN and NATO. There is
no blame to the US.
John Smith
Reply to @Fred
Brewer: as far as usa is concerned iraq is a war theatre and he was an
enemy combatant and was green lit to be removed from the field
John Smith
Reply to @john smith:
i also herd it was a favour for iran as teh general had to much power
and needed to be removed they even notified the usa before they attacked
this might have been a general loyalist or a poorly trained soldier the
radar could have been spoofed uk and us call sign might look similar on
a russian radar Uk US maybe eh
David Raymond Amos
Reply to @Matt
Steele: Methinks you may want to do a little research into the chain of
events going back to the time of Mohammad Reza Shah who was the last
Shah of Iran and who backed his wicked game Interesting that he piloted
his own aircraft when he took off once and for all N'esy Pas?
David Webb NB
I have no respect for Maple Leaf Foods after these predators bought up the 2 largest meat processing facilities in the Maritimes, shut them down and moved production to other locations, primarily in Ontario, leaving stock raising farmers and loyal employees and customers to blow in the wind. I see this type of thing happening over and over again with these large companies buying up businesses and shutting them down unless they can suck money out of taxpayers. No wonder the Maritimes has such a hard job trying to keep their collective heads above water. I couldn't care less what Mr McCain thinks. He has no clue or care about the problems in the middle east, just like he doesn't care about the destruction he brings upon Canadian communities. It's all about the money for him.
Pat Holland
Reply to @David Webb NB: Well said !!
David Raymond Amos
Reply to @Pat Holland: I agree
Matt Steele
Reply to @David Webb NB: .....Truer words have never been spoken . Micheal McCain has a history of caring about no one but himself . No doubt he is good friends with Frank McKenna and Justin Trudeau as they all share the same personality traits .
Murray Brown
Leor Rotchild is foolish... Consumers do not want political opinions from people who sell them food, cars or clothing... McCain should be ashamed for selling foods that result in multiple fatalities due to unhealthy diets. Bacon, meat and processed foods kill millions of consumers and he's the CEO of the company that provides these unhealthy choices to consumers for cheap prices. His opinion is moot and unwarranted. If he wants to run for political office he's free to do so, until then he should keep his opinions to himself.
Kris Boucher
Reply to @Murray
Brown: No one puts a gun to your head to eat unhealthy these are all
choices. If you don’t want health problems later in life make better
choices.
It’s a free country and I’m glad industry is speaking up to the insanity that is happening south of the border. I’m hoping more will speak up.
It’s a free country and I’m glad industry is speaking up to the insanity that is happening south of the border. I’m hoping more will speak up.
Pat
Holland
Reply to @Kris Boucher:
The only ones insane south of the border are the Democratic Party.
The only ones insane south of the border are the Democratic Party.
David Raymond Amos
Reply to @Pat
Holland: Methinks many Maritimers would agree that all politicians on
both sides of the 49th are as crazy as a bag of hammers N'esy Pas?
Jim Cyr
CBC goes out and finds a tiny group of far-left businesspeople, then suggests that we get our truth from them. Typical.
Josef Blow
Reply to @Jim Cyr:
Instead of pointing your finger at CBC, Mr. Cyr, explain what position
you might have taken as CEO of Maple Leaf Foods. And, while you're at
it, explain what "far-left businesspeople" are. Should we perhaps (only a
suggestion, mind you) get our truth from you?
David Raymond Amos
Reply to @Jim Cyr: YUP
Terry Tibbs
Reply to @Josef Blow:
Does the CEO of Maple Leaf Foods have a "position", or stake, in this?
I *think* not.
And giving him a position is foolish and NOTHING but manufactured news.
Marguerite Deschamps
You da man, Mr. McCain!
David Webb
Reply to @Marguerite
Deschamps: I'm sure he and Mr. Morneau are the best of buddies. Neither
gives a damn about you, me or anyone else. This is only a ploy by Mr.
McCain to try and gain market share on the backs of dead Canadians.
David Raymond Amos
Reply to @David Webb
NB: Methinks you are not alone in that opinion I must be fair and
confess that some of you given me cause to rethink my opinion of McCain
N'esy Pas?
David Raymond Amos
Reply to @Marguerite
Deschamps: Methinks McCain's fans know that I agree with his opinion of a
certain narcissistic Yankee. However you dudes should not be surprised
by the fact that my research of Canadian Business for Social
Responsibility and reading other news now gives me cause to question his
motives N'esy Pas?
https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/maple-leaf-ceo-asked-parliamentarians-to-not-sanction-chinese-officials-1.4765483
Maple Leaf CEO asked parliamentarians to not sanction Chinese officials
Published Monday, January 13, 2020 5:54PM EST
OTTAWA -- The CEO of Maple Leaf Foods, Michael McCain, called on parliamentarians to back off on calling for sanctions for Chinese officials last month, according to a copy of a letter obtained by CTV News.
The letter, which was obtained by Evan Solomon, host of CTV’s Power Play, was sent last month from McCain to Senators Leo Housakos and Than Hai Ngo. It was in reference to a motion introduced in the Senate by the pair that called for Magnitsky Act sanctions for human rights abuses against Chinese and Hong Kong government officials in relation to the ongoing protests and treatment of Muslims in China.
“On behalf of Maple Leaf Foods and the entire Canadian livestock and meat industry I appeal to you to withdraw this initiative. In making this request, I am not making any judgment on the issue of human rights abuses in Hong Kong or in China. But the simple fact is that Canada acting alone on this ensures two certain consequences: (i) Chinese human rights policies will not change and (ii) Chinese retaliation will be uniquely directed to Canada,” McCain wrote.
Going on to cite his industry’s dependence on exports and the jobs potentially at stake, McCain referenced comments from China’s ambassador to Canada stating that sanctions would result in further trade retaliation. While Maple Leaf turned a profit in its most recent quarter, McCain cited global trade as a drag on the company's performance.
Canadian beef and pork producers were shut out of the Chinese market for months last year after the country halted imports, a byproduct of in what remains ongoing strained relations between Canada and China over the arrest of Huawei executive Meng Wanzhou in Vancouver more than a year ago.
“It is no exaggeration to say that there are thousands of livelihoods at risk if your motion triggers action by the government,” reads the letter.
Copies of the letter were also sent to Prime Minister Justin Trudeau, Deputy Prime Minister Chrystia Freeland, Foreign Affairs Minister Francois-Philippe Champagne, outgoing Conservative Leader Andrew Scheer, Agriculture and Agri-Food minister Marie-Claude Bibeau, and Senator Don Plett.
The motion has not yet been voted on in the Senate, and while it’s common for industry representatives to send similar letters advocating for or against parliamentary measures, Housakos tweeted about the letter today, questioning McCain’s “consistency.”
Referencing the letter, Housakos said that McCain “cited concern for his employees, ie the impact on their jobs. He didn’t seem overly concerned about human rights then and he didn’t seem overly concerned about his employees and their jobs last night.”
This comes after Sunday night when, in a series of tweets posted to his company’s main account, McCain spoke out against the U.S. government and President Donald Trump in relation to the Iranian plane crash.
In the thread of what he called “personal reflections,” he said he was “livid” because a colleague’s wife and child were two of the 57 Canadians killed when Iran shot down Ukraine International Airlines flight PS752, on Jan. 8 in Tehran. The plane was downed accidentally according to Iran, as they prepared for retaliation for filing missiles as Iraq bases housing U.S. military.
McCain called it a “needless, irresponsible series of events,” and called Trump a “narcissist,” and alleged that U.S. officials “concocted an ill-conceived plan to divert focus from political woes.”
In a statement, Housakos said that while he sympathizes with the “enormous loss being felt by Mr. McCain’s colleague” and “shares Mr. McCain’s anger over the atrocity that was committed against everyone on that flight and those they left behind,” he believes there have been “valid” points raised about the appropriateness of McCain’s comments.
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I Wholeheartedly Agree about knee-jerk investor reactions Obviously this article supports my opinions yesterday and the fact that Mr McCain has found a friend in me.
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https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/ethics-business-trump-1.5424829
Maple Leaf Foods boss attack on Trump pits ethics against shareholder value: Don Pittis
As stock falls, the 'shareholder primacy' rule argues McCain should have stayed mum
· CBC News · Posted: Jan 14, 2020 4:00 AM ET
U.S. President Donald Trump delivers a statement on Iran's missile attacks on U.S.-led forces in Iraq. Maple Leaf Michael McCain traces the cause of the latest dispute, that led to the airline missile strike, back to the U.S. withdrawal from the international nuclear pact with Iran. (Jonathan Ernst/Reuters)
So when should a company CEO take a stance?
According to the business principle of shareholder primacy, there is an argument that Sunday's Twitter attack on U.S. President Donald Trump by the CEO of Maple Leaf Foods, Michael McCain, was dead wrong.
A lot of the debate over McCain's outspoken tweets revolves around the detail of what he said and where he assigned blame, a subject exhaustively addressed in the hashtag #BoycottMapleLeafFoods trending on Twitter Monday.
While the Canadian food company boss did not mention Trump by name, reference in his series of tweets to "a narcissist in Washington" seemed like a dead giveaway to most people. According to the Twitter response, even Trump fans recognized the description.
Blame Trump
Essentially the case McCain made in his angry attack was that by pulling out of the multi-country agreement that had forced Iran to stop its nuclear program, Trump had intentionally reopened a geopolitical wound the world had found a route to heal.
But
McCain didn't stop there. The company boss drew a straight line from
Trump's action in tossing out the international "path to contain" a
"dangerous" Iran, to the latest round of tit-for-tat violence that led
to the killing of a plane load of innocents, including the family of a
Maple Leaf Foods employee.
MR. Michael
This will be fun.
Let’s see how shareholders will feel by the end of the day, that a CEO of a publically traded company, used a tragedy to spew his far-left political opinion
#BoycottMapleLeafFoods
Let’s see how shareholders will feel by the end of the day, that a CEO of a publically traded company, used a tragedy to spew his far-left political opinion
#BoycottMapleLeafFoods
Even more contentious was his implication that the latest U.S. attack on Iran was politically motivated, intended by the Trump administration to divert attention away from his "political woes," including a growing wave of evidence that Trump had colluded with Russia against the interests of the United States.
Shares decline
While
many, especially die-hard Trump supporters, will disagree with
McCain's depiction of how events have unfolded, it is by no means crazy
talk. The same contention has been widely reported in news stories and
commentary easily found in various credible media outlets.
But
quite apart from the CEO's political analysis of events, the question
from the business point of view is whether, as the boss of a company
owned by shareholders, he should have spoken out at all. The question
was especially relevant as the share price fell on Monday, closing down
about one per cent on the day.As outlined by the conservative economist Milton Friedman in his 1962 book Capitalism and Freedom, the principle of shareholder primacy insists that "corporations have no higher purpose than maximizing profits for their shareholders."
According to that point of view, the purpose of a company is not to make the world a better place. At least not on purpose. The job of the capitalist is to do anything legal to make money, and as the representatives of those shareholders, corporate bosses have the same duty.
A sign for the Maple Leaf food processing plant in Toronto. Milton Friedman argues the purpose of a company is not to make the world a better place, but to make money. (Mark Blinch/Reuters)
But with the growing power and influence of global corporations and the powerlessness of governments to step in and solve problems like gross inequality and climate change, the shareholder primacy principle seems to be slipping.
Just last summer a powerful group of 200 corporate stars, including Apple's Tim Cook, Amazon's Jeff Bezos, JPMorgan Chase's Jamie Dimon and Mary Barra of General Motors, announced they were withdrawing from that shareholder-only point of view.
Instead, the influential Business Roundtable announced the responsibility of member companies would also include "generating good jobs, a strong and sustainable economy, innovation, a healthy environment and economic opportunity for all."
CEO activism trend
As the Harvard Business Review has reported in the past, it's a trend that has been growing for about five years. Companies often align with the interests of their employees and customers and against government. When companies objected to state laws forcing workers to use washrooms that matched the gender on their birth certificates, North Carolina lost billions in new investment says the review.
Harking back to an earlier form of capitalism, sometimes scorned as paternalistic, these corporate leaders have expressed the view that they have a much wider form of accountability — to employees, to society, and in the case of climate change, to the entire planet.
To
truly gigantic corporations that have more clout than many governments,
the concept has a certain self-serving rationale. As a company becomes
bigger and bigger, its interests begin to merge with the population as a
whole.
As
many in the tech world have noted, there is no point in having a
wonderful product if the masses of consumers are too poor to buy it.
And, while some companies profit from instability, history shows that
war, revolution and displaced populations have often been bad for
corporations.In the current example, with this series of tweets, McCain showed Maple Leaf Foods workers that he was willing to stake his own and the company's reputation in support of one of their fellow employees. Although it appears McCain's comments were motivated by sincere grief and anger, not a cynical plot to increase productivity, it is well documented that workers who feel loyalty to their bosses help to build stronger businesses.
And as to the
Boycott Maple Leaf Foods campaign, in a politically divided world,
so far McCain's tweets also seem to be attracting many outspoken
supporters who promise to buy more of the company's products.
As a fellow Canadian and just... you know... a human being devastated by the pointless loss of so many lives, I share this man’s grief & anger and I’m glad he’s using his platform to speak out w/ no regard to his bottom dollar. The hashtag #BoycottMapleLeafFoods is shameful. https://twitter.com/mapleleaffoods/status/1216529697288355840 …
Certainly McCain is not alone in expressing public alarm about the direction Trump is taking the United States and the world. Bank of Canada governor Stephen Poloz said something similar last week. Many U.S. business leaders, including Bloomberg's Michael Bloomberg and Amazon's Jeff Bezos, have not hurt their respective businesses by opposing the U.S. president.
Between motivated employees knowing McCain has their backs and the many buyers of Maple Leaf Foods products who are glad the company executive has taken what he saw as a moral stance in an immoral world, it is very possible shareholders will benefit in the longer term.
As the saying goes, the proof of the pudding — or in this case the prepared meats — will be in the eating.
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Mark Sobkow
People need to stop making excuses for why they can't say anything about Trump and his antics and speak up exactly as the CEO did. It is high time the world stopped putting up with Trump and got rid of the would-be demagogue.
Jim Rockfort (Spaceman )
Reply to @Mark Sobkow:
Many GOP politicians can't stand Trump. Look at the revolving door of people who have come and gone from his administration, not to mention all the ones who have been charged with felonies and are doing jail time.
The rest just hold their noses and agree with him to maintain their cushy jobs and golden pensions.
Many GOP politicians can't stand Trump. Look at the revolving door of people who have come and gone from his administration, not to mention all the ones who have been charged with felonies and are doing jail time.
The rest just hold their noses and agree with him to maintain their cushy jobs and golden pensions.
Sam Denoff
Reply to @Mark
Sobkow: The world has no right to do anything with Donald Trump. He was
legally elected by the American people. The world has no say in that
FACT. That's reality. Learn to live with it or don't. Makes no
difference to him.
John Sollows
Reply to @Sam Denoff:
We have no choice but to live with it. A critical mass of American voters made a terrible mistake and the rest of the world can no longer have the same level of trust and respect for the U.S., for the foreseeable future.
We have no choice but to live with it. A critical mass of American voters made a terrible mistake and the rest of the world can no longer have the same level of trust and respect for the U.S., for the foreseeable future.
Jed Eckert
Reply to @Mark Sobkow:
The corporate world is morally bankrupt. I don't trust a word any of them they say.
The corporate world is morally bankrupt. I don't trust a word any of them they say.
Sam Hain
Reply to @Sam Denoff:
I mean, the US has no problem meddling in the politics of other nations, or with those elected by their own people, so why can't the world say Trump is a garbage pile that needs to go? Why do Americans get such special privileges where they can't be questioned?
I mean, the US has no problem meddling in the politics of other nations, or with those elected by their own people, so why can't the world say Trump is a garbage pile that needs to go? Why do Americans get such special privileges where they can't be questioned?
Victor CRETU
Reply to @Mark Sobkow: That CEO speaks only from his narrow, biased perspective. He's worse than Trump!
Douglas
Holden
Reply to @Sam Denoff:
Yes, the world does. Remember that thing Trump is always ranting about, the border? When he does things inside of it, you’re right, none of our business. Have all the guns and lack of healthcare you want. However, when he does something that affects things outside his border, it’s everyone’s business. Unless you want to try and explain how Iraq, Iran and that plane were somehow on US soil, this qualifies as everyone’s business, especially when you are someone, or know someone who lost someone personally as this CEO did (and no, claiming “imminent attacks” were coming doesn’t count, since at this point that’s been debunked as retroactive justification not based on facts, and also consider the source).
Yes, the world does. Remember that thing Trump is always ranting about, the border? When he does things inside of it, you’re right, none of our business. Have all the guns and lack of healthcare you want. However, when he does something that affects things outside his border, it’s everyone’s business. Unless you want to try and explain how Iraq, Iran and that plane were somehow on US soil, this qualifies as everyone’s business, especially when you are someone, or know someone who lost someone personally as this CEO did (and no, claiming “imminent attacks” were coming doesn’t count, since at this point that’s been debunked as retroactive justification not based on facts, and also consider the source).
Nadine Mardini
Reply to @Douglas Holden: Great post.
Perry Best
Reply to @Sam Hain: "the US has no problem meddling in the politics of other nations"
Most nations turn to the US when they need help. Remember when the US wouldn't join WWII?
If Russia invades us, who will you turn to? Denmark?
Most nations turn to the US when they need help. Remember when the US wouldn't join WWII?
If Russia invades us, who will you turn to? Denmark?
Stan Danke
Reply to @Mark Sobkow:
You all repeat the same nonsense. The U.S. killed a man guilty of
orchestrating the deaths of 10's of thousands. Yet somehow he and Iran
are the victims. Iran is a corrupt terrorist state. Iran shot down
that plan while IT was attacking another country. Iran was NOT under
attack. But this is what you believe? Trump is a fool, but Iran
sponsors acts of terrorism everyday, and Iran shot down that plane for
no reason. Then they lied about it. Why are you here doing thier lying
for them?
Perry Best
Reply to @Douglas Holden: "However, when he does something that affects things outside his border, it’s everyone’s business."
Like ridding the world of a crazy terrorist? Obama did that too but I don't think you complained that time.
Like ridding the world of a crazy terrorist? Obama did that too but I don't think you complained that time.
Lieschen Mueller
Reply to @Mark
Sobkow: Yes, Trump needs to GO. But if as others on this thread claim
many Republicans cannot stand Trump, well, they need to EVICT HIM.
Lieschen Mueller
Reply to @Sam Denoff:
He might have been legally elected by the American people (the ignorant
masses) but that should NOT give Trump the right to endanger the world.
Stephen George
Reply to @Perry Best:
"If Russia invades us, who will you turn to? Denmark?
The chances of Russia invading us are exactly the same as Canada invading Russia. None.
I suppose you are still saying that if it wasn't for the USA we would all be speaking German. Another sillyness.
"If Russia invades us, who will you turn to? Denmark?
The chances of Russia invading us are exactly the same as Canada invading Russia. None.
I suppose you are still saying that if it wasn't for the USA we would all be speaking German. Another sillyness.
Mike Wynnyk
Reply to @Mark
Sobkow: but Iran’s actions are okay? Iran had been ruled by religious
extremists for 38 years before Trump became president and those 38 years
were full of murders of Iranian Canadians while in prison, oppression
and torture of opposition , meddling in Lebanon, Syria, Yemen, and so
on. This idea that Iran was some peace loving nation until Trump came
along is ridiculous.
Rick Nash
Reply to @Sam Denoff:
Same logic as the person who lead Germany into WWII, legally elected, took the world to stop him.
Same logic as the person who lead Germany into WWII, legally elected, took the world to stop him.
Douglas
Holden
Reply to @Perry Best:
Of the thousands of “crazy terrorists” in the world, why exactly did Trump pick this one, at this moment? He was planning an “imminent attack” on four US embassies? One of Trump’s water carriers claims he “misspoke” and it was only one. Others privy to the so called “intelligence” say there was no imminent attack. Considering the sources, I’m guessing that last assessment is the correct one, and this strike was made specifically to provide a distraction from Trump’s “political woes”. These people didn’t die to protect America; they died to protect Trump. Considering many were distinguished citizens, professionals and experts, who worked hard their whole lives to make the world a better place, and Trump is...well...Trump, this is a disgusting prospect, at best.
Of the thousands of “crazy terrorists” in the world, why exactly did Trump pick this one, at this moment? He was planning an “imminent attack” on four US embassies? One of Trump’s water carriers claims he “misspoke” and it was only one. Others privy to the so called “intelligence” say there was no imminent attack. Considering the sources, I’m guessing that last assessment is the correct one, and this strike was made specifically to provide a distraction from Trump’s “political woes”. These people didn’t die to protect America; they died to protect Trump. Considering many were distinguished citizens, professionals and experts, who worked hard their whole lives to make the world a better place, and Trump is...well...Trump, this is a disgusting prospect, at best.
Rick Poulter
Reply to @Mark Sobkow:
Trump should find this rebuke for stinging than most as it comes from a real billionaire, one that has built a business from the ground up.
Trump should find this rebuke for stinging than most as it comes from a real billionaire, one that has built a business from the ground up.
Jed Eckert
Reply to @Mark Sobkow:
“On behalf of Maple Leaf Foods and the entire Canadian livestock and meat industry I appeal to you to withdraw this initiative. In making this request, I am not making any judgment on the issue of human rights abuses in Hong Kong or in China. But the simple fact is that Canada acting alone on this ensures two certain consequences: (i) Chinese human rights policies will not change and (ii) Chinese retaliation will be uniquely directed to Canada,” McCain wrote.
There you have it. McCain isn't the humanitarian he purports to be
“On behalf of Maple Leaf Foods and the entire Canadian livestock and meat industry I appeal to you to withdraw this initiative. In making this request, I am not making any judgment on the issue of human rights abuses in Hong Kong or in China. But the simple fact is that Canada acting alone on this ensures two certain consequences: (i) Chinese human rights policies will not change and (ii) Chinese retaliation will be uniquely directed to Canada,” McCain wrote.
There you have it. McCain isn't the humanitarian he purports to be
Art Rowe
Reply to @Mark Sobkow:
I agree in regard to your statement. I would take it a step beyond however and say that it is high time people in important and leadership roles do speak out and take a stand. We need more of the opinions and less of the "toe the line" stance.
The shareholders of major companies should encourage their CEOs to speak out on their behalf.
But alas, some will say "Oh that will cost me $6.00 next year" so they will not support that. So we all lose.
I agree in regard to your statement. I would take it a step beyond however and say that it is high time people in important and leadership roles do speak out and take a stand. We need more of the opinions and less of the "toe the line" stance.
The shareholders of major companies should encourage their CEOs to speak out on their behalf.
But alas, some will say "Oh that will cost me $6.00 next year" so they will not support that. So we all lose.
Rick Nash
Reply to @Perry Best:
So that's the reason to turn a blind eye to injustices is because theyre acting like the bully but will protect us? Canadians fought in two great wars to defend agaibst such The Americans waited, wondering what was in it for them.
So that's the reason to turn a blind eye to injustices is because theyre acting like the bully but will protect us? Canadians fought in two great wars to defend agaibst such The Americans waited, wondering what was in it for them.
Matthew Stanley
Reply to @Mark Sobkow: Demigod*
Rod Poole
Reply to @Jed Eckert:
Agreed. Divide and conquer the people. Look at the housing bubble
collapse. Millions made homeless by corporate malfeasance and the
corporations were rewarded with trillions of taxpayers dollars and CEO's
got massive bonuses. Only 1 person, Kareem Serageldin, was ever
charged. He was a fall guy as many others had committed far worse crimes
than he in this robbery of public funds.
“I can hire one half of the working class to kill the other half.”
Industrialist/Corporatist Jay Gould
“I can hire one half of the working class to kill the other half.”
Industrialist/Corporatist Jay Gould
Beverley Bent
Reply to @Matthew Stanley: dem·a·gogue
/ˈdeməˌɡäɡ/
noun
noun: demagogue; plural noun: demagogues
a political leader who seeks support by appealing to the desires and prejudices of ordinary people rather than by using rational argument.
"a gifted demagogue with particular skill in manipulating the press"
/ˈdeməˌɡäɡ/
noun
noun: demagogue; plural noun: demagogues
a political leader who seeks support by appealing to the desires and prejudices of ordinary people rather than by using rational argument.
"a gifted demagogue with particular skill in manipulating the press"
Rick Nash
Reply to @Jed Eckert:
Can you explain his request from his perspective? Was he speaking for himself or the entire industry which would be punished instead of China? You look at it as Trump looked at trade tariffs with China. Punish the farmers and those purchasing goods from China. He's bragged to his base how he was punishing China when all the while it was his fellow Americans too dumb to realize that no one wins in a trade war.
The Canadian government needed to work with industry before destroying their livlihood.
Can you explain his request from his perspective? Was he speaking for himself or the entire industry which would be punished instead of China? You look at it as Trump looked at trade tariffs with China. Punish the farmers and those purchasing goods from China. He's bragged to his base how he was punishing China when all the while it was his fellow Americans too dumb to realize that no one wins in a trade war.
The Canadian government needed to work with industry before destroying their livlihood.
Rod Poole
Reply to @Sam Denoff:
That's an exceedingly embarrassing comment considering the US Empires
manipulation in the affairs of dozens of foreign gov'ts, including
Canada, overthrowing democratically elected leaders around the globe to
the benefit of corporate hoarding.
Rick Nash
Reply to @Beverley Bent:
The Orange One instantly come to mind.
The Orange One instantly come to mind.
Edward Peter
Reply to @Jed Eckert: If life was so simple, what corporations do you deal with through out your life?
Jed Eckert
Reply to @Edward Peter:
That's a loaded question Edward. And you know it.
That's a loaded question Edward. And you know it.
Craig Hall
Reply to @Sam Denoff:
Ya, with negative 3 million votes. And his killing of Soleimani was
illegal. But I guess you're ok with that too. Amiright?
David Raymond Amos
Reply to @Mark Sobkow: I agree
Joe Renaud
Reply to @Victor
CRETU: Re: "That CEO speaks only from his narrow, biased perspective.
He's worse than Trump! " - Yes - he does speak from a narrow and biased
point of view - he is pissed that a person who worked in his company was
killed along with his entire family. Narrow, biased and justified.
Alex Keith
Reply to @Craig Hall: How was killing Soleimani illegal?
David Raymond Amos
Reply to @Alex Keith: How is killing anyone you are not at war with legal?
Gina Davis
Reply to @Mark Sobkow: Trump is carrying on the work of those before him. He promised to stop it when he campaigned. So much for draining that swamp eh.
There is no accountability Mark. None. We keep falling for the US's BS to get us to support their wars. WMD's etc.
Mark Sobkow
Reply to @Matthew Stanley: Try a dictionary.
Mohamed Khan
Reply to @Mark
Sobkow: if only what he said was true I would agree. But it is Iran by
boming US bases via proxy that escalated, not the other way around. And
the Nuclear pact enabled Iran to use frozen funds to support ethnic
cleansing via chemical weapons in Syria ( OPCW-UN Joint Mission
independantly confirmed), destabilize Iraq and Yemen. Facts matter
Robert Jones
Reply to @Stephen George: "The chances of Russia invading us are exactly the same as Canada invading Russia. None. "
Yes, thanks to the USA. They would have taken us over decades ago otherwise.
"I suppose you are still saying that if it wasn't for the USA we would all be speaking German. "
No, Russian. Try to keep up.
Yes, thanks to the USA. They would have taken us over decades ago otherwise.
"I suppose you are still saying that if it wasn't for the USA we would all be speaking German. "
No, Russian. Try to keep up.
Robert Jones
Reply to @Douglas
Holden: "Of the thousands of “crazy terrorists” in the world, why
exactly did Trump pick this one, at this moment? He was planning an
“imminent attack” on four US embassies? "
He had just attacked the US Embassy in Iraq. How did you not hear about it?
He had just attacked the US Embassy in Iraq. How did you not hear about it?
Robert Jones
Reply to @Mark Sobkow: "It is high time the world stopped putting up with Trump and got rid of the would-be demagogue. "
"The world", you say? How exactly would "the world" accomplish this?
I just love it when left-wingers demonstrate their disconnection from reality...
(and this is the "most liked" post? wow...)
"The world", you say? How exactly would "the world" accomplish this?
I just love it when left-wingers demonstrate their disconnection from reality...
(and this is the "most liked" post? wow...)
Robert Jones
Reply to @Rick Nash: "Same logic as the person who lead Germany into WWII, legally elected, took the world to stop him. "
Godwin. You lose.
Godwin. You lose.
Richard Jay
“People need to stop
making excuses for why they can't say anything about Trump and his
antics and speak up exactly as the CEO did.”
On 3 October 2015, a United States Air Force AC-130U gunship attacked the Kunduz Trauma Centre operated by Médecins Sans Frontières (MSF), or Doctors Without Borders in the city of Kunduz, in the province of the same name in northern Afghanistan. At the time of the airstrikes, MSF was treating women and children and wounded combatants from both sides of the conflict.
Casualty reports listed 30 dead including 13 MSF staff (three of them doctors), 10 patients, and seven burned beyond recognition and as yet unidentified. MSF reported that six intensive care patients were burned to death in their beds, and another patient died after staff had to leave the individual on the operating table. They reported that the 12 staff killed were all Afghan nationals, and that all three of their international staff members who were present survived. A review of the incident released on 7 November by MSF reported that some medical staff were decapitated and lost limbs to shrapnel and others were shot from the air as they tried to flee the burning building. 42 people were killed and over 30 were injured. On 7 October 2015, President Barack Obama issued an apology.
Where was the call for action back in 2015 to speak up? Seems to me people don't know history very well or they have decided to ignore it. The US has been meddling in the Middle East for a very long time and it started long before Trump.
Robert Jones
Reply to @Douglas
Holden: "this strike was made specifically to provide a distraction from
Trump’s “political woes”. These people didn’t die to protect America;
they died to protect Trump."
Thanks for sharing the political worldview of a child, but this actually a serious business.
Thanks for sharing the political worldview of a child, but this actually a serious business.
Don Cheer
Reply to @Richard Jay:
Bad things happen in a war zone like Afghanistan and you are under the impression Obama called the strike to occur knowing Doctors with out borders was there. Get real.
Other than that, the world needs to step up to all POTUS with a demi-god complex which has been everyone since Roosevelt.
Bad things happen in a war zone like Afghanistan and you are under the impression Obama called the strike to occur knowing Doctors with out borders was there. Get real.
Other than that, the world needs to step up to all POTUS with a demi-god complex which has been everyone since Roosevelt.
Don Cheer
Reply to @Robert Jones:
Cons being condescending is just what the world needs less of
Cons being condescending is just what the world needs less of
Michael West
Reply to @Mark
Sobkow: You know Michael McCain is lobbying Ottawa to not place
sanctions against Chinese officials involved in human rights abuses
against ethnic minorities in China, right?
Don Cheer
Reply to @Michael West:
You have a source for that?
You have a source for that?
Michael West
Reply to @Don Cheer: https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/maple-leaf-ceo-asked-parliamentarians-to-not-sanction-chinese-officials-1.4765483
Kim and
Steve and Lim/McIntyre
Reply to @Mark
Sobkow: I think that if Mr. McCain rides out the knee-jerk investor
reaction, he will find a whole world of more ethical investors out there
willing to support him with a more rational response.
David Raymond Amos
Reply to @Kim and
Steve and Lim/McIntyre: I Wholeheartedly Agree about knee-jerk investor
reactions Obviously this article supports my opinions yesterday and the
fact that Mr McCain has found a friend in me.
Douglas Holden
Reply to @Robert Jones:
Thank you for lowering the level of discussion to kindergarten. Really helps us figure out who the adults in the room are.
Dave Robertson
I'll choose their products over their competitors from now on. A CEO with a conscience, how refreshing.
Patrick O'Connor
Reply to @Dave Robertson:
Conscience would dictate researching where one has made a dreadful mistake.
Then conscience would dictate an apology is due to US President Donald Trump.
Conscience would dictate researching where one has made a dreadful mistake.
Then conscience would dictate an apology is due to US President Donald Trump.
Fred Rickert
Reply to @Patrick O'Connor: LOL. You've got to be joking.
Perry Best
Reply to @Dave Robertson:
You're going to buy more.
Many more people are going to buy none!
As a savvy business person, would you say that's a great move by the CEO.
You're going to buy more.
Many more people are going to buy none!
As a savvy business person, would you say that's a great move by the CEO.
Ryan Tasker
Reply to @Patrick O'Connor: You're out of your mind...
John Grail
Reply to @Dave Robertson: Yeah. Nothing says conscience like being the largest slaughterer of animals in the country...
John Grail
Reply to @Dave
Robertson: What conscience are you referring to? The one that enables
his company to be the largest killer of animals in the country?
Lieschen Mueller
Reply to @Dave
Robertson: I will certainly go out of my way to buy Maple Leaf Foods
(already was doing that to an extent, but now, one hundred percent and
publicly).
Also, I think that any hotel chain operating in Canada should not only be exclusively using and serving Maple Leaf Foods but should also be very public about this and that if say an American tourist etc. wants something else, tough, no go.
Also, I think that any hotel chain operating in Canada should not only be exclusively using and serving Maple Leaf Foods but should also be very public about this and that if say an American tourist etc. wants something else, tough, no go.
John Grail
Reply to @Dave Robertson: Profiting on the death of countless animals. Sounds like a strong moral compass to me...
Lieschen Mueller
Reply to @Patrick O'Connor: Trump is the chump and mistake here. He needs to go and he needs to keep his ignorant mouth shut.
Stephen
George
Reply to @Ryan Tasker:
I concur.
I concur.
Won Tu
Reply to @Dave Robertson:
Well, let's also not forget that Maple Leaf Foods, by showing they have a CEO with a moral compass, can be trusted to at least try its best to make food that is safe to eat. The CEO that calls the POTUS to task isn't likely to put people's lives at risk for a little extra profit.
Well, let's also not forget that Maple Leaf Foods, by showing they have a CEO with a moral compass, can be trusted to at least try its best to make food that is safe to eat. The CEO that calls the POTUS to task isn't likely to put people's lives at risk for a little extra profit.
Stephen
George
Reply to @John Grail:
Your getting lots of up thumbs I see. No surprise.
Your getting lots of up thumbs I see. No surprise.
John Grail
Reply to @Stephen
George: I don't need approval from (wo)men. It's good to know the truth
for you is simply popular opinion. Speaks volumes of why society is the
way it is.
John Grail
Reply to @Won Tu: They have a CEO that makes billions from needlessly slaughtering animals. Anything but moral.
Stephen
George
Reply to @John Grail:
What world do you live in? This is a story about what McCain said, not what you say.
What world do you live in? This is a story about what McCain said, not what you say.
Vasja Batareikin
Reply to @Dave Robertson: First check what ingredients list in they products :-)
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/n-b-woman-17th-listeria-death-linked-to-maple-leaf-products-1.711562
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/n-b-woman-17th-listeria-death-linked-to-maple-leaf-products-1.711562
Douglas Holden
Reply to @Patrick O'Connor:
My conscience dictates I pick up a log of bologna tonight.
My conscience dictates I pick up a log of bologna tonight.
Matthew Stanley
Reply to @Dave
Robertson: You will choose what is best for your bottom line, just like
any CEO. Shrinking middle class and all.
David Raymond Amos
Reply to @Dave Robertson: Me Too
David Raymond Amos
Reply to @Douglas Holden: Mine tells me to go for the wieners
Mary-Ellen Johnson
Reply to @Dave
Robertson: Not so fast, Maple Leaf has been one I have been avoiding at
all costs since I saw how they took advantage (and continue to do so
today) of massive tax breaks and various spiffs from where I used to
live. Like Amazon is doing where they expand, they make the surrounding
communities pay for new roads, bus services, bring hundreds and
thousands of lower cost immigrant employees (from South America or
Africa) in to an area without one red cent of tax money going into the
system to help build up said infrastructure or medical and school
systems. Sorry, they have shown little to no regard for the population
around them when they have expanded - this move, while admirable, is too
little to change my mind on them.
Richard Jay
Reply to @Dave Robertson:
LOL, because he's a Trump hater he's a good guy. Doesn't take much to fool you now does it.
LOL, because he's a Trump hater he's a good guy. Doesn't take much to fool you now does it.
John Grail
Reply to @Stephen George: And he says, not okay to start a war but to needlessly slaughter animals?
Jack Slate
Just stay away from their soleimani...
Michael West
Reply to @Dave
Robertson: A CEO with a conscience. Right. A conscience that compels
him to lobby Ottawa to not place sanctions against Chinese officials
involved in human rights abuses towards China's ethnic minorities.
https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/maple-leaf-ceo-asked-parliamentarians-to-not-sanction-chinese-officials-1.4765483
You "CEO with a conscience" is a self-serving hypocrite.
https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/maple-leaf-ceo-asked-parliamentarians-to-not-sanction-chinese-officials-1.4765483
You "CEO with a conscience" is a self-serving hypocrite.
Colin Wilson
Reply to @Mary-Ellen Johnson: I can tell you to be careful of the capitalist (American) selling debt or the communist (Chinese) that buys it. Ether way the consumer loses. It takes more than one CEO to convince a community of elected officials to allow for the use of taxpayer monies to be used to augment a large business's expansion or new build. They will laud the expansion to improve employment numbers in the community if only we can ....improve the sewage connection, industrial electric upgrades, highway access, etc... (insert ask). It is incumbent for all of us to participate in the process of democracy (city counsel meetings) in order to prevent these kinds of asks that are regularly foisted on the public. All of us, the electorate, needs to ensure that the quid pro quo between a business and the municipality it resides in is a fair and equitable arrangement that does not unduly burden the citizenry. Remember all that is required for evil to flourish is to do nothing.
David Raymond Amos
Reply to @Michael West: Methinks the powers that be are well aware of why I have no respectwhatsoever for Housakos the Speaker of the Senate of Canada N'esy Pas?
"In a statement, Housakos said that while he sympathizes with the “enormous loss being felt by Mr. McCain’s colleague” and “shares Mr. McCain’s anger over the atrocity that was committed against everyone on that flight and those they left behind,” he believes there have been “valid” points raised about the appropriateness of McCain’s comments."
Mo Bennett
no one should ever regret calling a spade, a spade!! the poor shareholders will have to take one for the gipper.
John Sollows
Reply to @mo bennett:
Wait a month. Sometimes taking one leads to long-term gain.
Wait a month. Sometimes taking one leads to long-term gain.
Lieschen Mueller
Reply to @mo bennett:
Funny how often people decry that CEOs take no stance but if a CEO does
and like you say call Donald Trump the horrid thing he is, people still
howl.
Edward Peter
Reply to @mo bennett: I am not sure the share holder will.
But you notice that when Mr. McCain mentioned "the Narcissist" all sides knew exactly who he meant, and jumped to their sides of the Wall.
So his defenders know who they respect.
But you notice that when Mr. McCain mentioned "the Narcissist" all sides knew exactly who he meant, and jumped to their sides of the Wall.
So his defenders know who they respect.
David Raymond Amos
Reply to @mo bennett: YO MO Methinks you should not be surprised that we agree once again N'esy Pas?
John Grail
Reply to @mo bennett: Exactly. Calling McCain a hypocrite is calling a spade a spade.
Don Cheer
Reply to @John Grail:
Why? What has he done to be called that?
Why? What has he done to be called that?
https://twitter.com/
David Raymond Amos @DavidRayAmos
Replying to @DavidRayAmos @Kathryn98967631 and 49 others
Methinks Trump and his cohorts prove on a daily basis that the term "intelligence of nations"is an oxymoron N'esy Pas?
https://davidraymondamos3.blogspot.com/2020/01/maple-leaf-foods-ceo-takes-aim-at-us.html
https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/maple-leaf-foods-ceo-ps752-us-iran-1.5424530
Maple Leaf Foods CEO takes aim at U.S. government over downing of PS752 by Iran
Michael McCain says he's 'very angry' in Twitter thread mourning loss of colleague's family
The Canadian Press · Posted: Jan 12, 2020 10:07 PM ET
Maple Leafs Foods CEO Michael McCain, pictured here in 2011, posted a series of tweets from the company's official Twitter account lamenting the loss of a colleague's family in the downing of Flight PS752. (The Canadian Press)
The CEO of Maple Leaf Foods spoke out against the United States government days after an Iranian missile accidentally shot down a Ukrainian jetliner, killing all 176 people on board — including, he said, the family of a company employee.
In a series of tweets on Sunday, Michael McCain said the time since Wednesday's crash has not quelled his anger over what he describes as a "needless, irresponsible series of events in Iran." The tweets were sent from the official Maple Leaf Foods account, though McCain characterized them as "personal reflections."
Fifty-seven Canadians were among the 176 people killed on Ukraine International Airlines Flight PS752. There have been vigils and memorials across Canada commemorating the victims, as well as protests calling for de-escalation in the region.
McCain said he feels that "a narcissist in Washington" destabilized the region, ultimately leading to the crash.
I’m Michael McCain, CEO of Maple Leaf Foods, and these are personal reflections. I am very angry, and time isn’t making me less angry. A MLF colleague of mine lost his wife and family this week to a needless, irresponsible series of events in Iran...
Flight PS752 was mistakenly shot down minutes after taking off from an airport on the outskirts of Tehran, just hours after Iranian missiles targeted bases where Americans were stationed in Iraq.
They were retaliating for the U.S. killing of Iranian Gen. Qassem Soleimani.
Prime Minister Justin Trudeau has said Iran must take full responsibility for shooting down the plane.
He said that must include a full and credible investigation, but he's steered clear of pinning the crash on the Americans.
"I think it is too soon to be drawing conclusions or assigning blame or responsibility in whatever proportions," he told reporters last week.
McCain said he's both livid and mourning for his colleague's wife and 11-year-old son, who were killed on the plane.
…U.S. government leaders unconstrained by checks/balances, concocted an ill-conceived plan to divert focus from political woes. The world knows Iran is a dangerous state, but the world found a path to contain it; not perfect but by most accounts it was the right direction…
..A narcissist in Washington tears world accomplishments apart; destabilizes region. US now unwelcomed everywhere in the area including Iraq; tensions escalated to feverish pitch. Taking out despicable military leader terrorist? There are a hundred like him, standing next in line
CBC News reached out to McCain for further comment. In response, Janet Riley, the company's vice-president of communications and public affairs, said in an email that McCain "would prefer to let the messages in his tweets speak for themselves. He felt the tragedy warranted his response."
With files from CBC News
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Awistoyus Nahasthay
Most Canadians agree with McCain.
Andre Legault
Reply to @Awistoyus Nahasthay:
What we know from your post is that you agree with him. The rest is speculation.
What we know from your post is that you agree with him. The rest is speculation.
Jed Eckert
Reply to @Awistoyus Nahasthay:
Wide sweeping statements have no validity.
Wide sweeping statements have no validity.
Fred Barchetta
Reply to @Jed Eckert:
Oh the irony.......
Oh the irony.......
Andre Legault
Reply to @Jed Eckert:
After posting that you know Mcain did this to sell more products?Really?
After posting that you know Mcain did this to sell more products?Really?
Eric Gulapa
Reply to @Awistoyus Nahasthay: please share your stats sources
Brendan Burke
Reply to @Awistoyus Nahasthay: no they dont
Hay Lowe
Reply to @Awistoyus Nahasthay: not likely
Andre Legault
Reply to @Brendan Burke:
I think what you mean is that you don't agree.
I think what you mean is that you don't agree.
Brendan Burke
Reply to @Andre Legault: Actually, I'll rephrase it by saying that anyone with any sense would not agree
Andre Legault
Reply to @Brendan Burke:
Again all your saying is that you agree. You can't know what anyone with any sense thinks.
Again all your saying is that you agree. You can't know what anyone with any sense thinks.
John Hancock
Reply to @Awistoyus Nahasthay: no they don’t.
Mitchell Roberts
Reply to @John Hancock: Yes they do.
Lee Hall
Reply to @Awistoyus
Nahasthay:
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Dan Shortt
Reply to @Awistoyus Nahasthay:
Most readers at this website think exactly what they're told to think, by Michael McCain, or by anyone, for that matter. Right now, 46 people agree with you. Most assuredly, that isn't "Most Canadians."
Most readers at this website think exactly what they're told to think, by Michael McCain, or by anyone, for that matter. Right now, 46 people agree with you. Most assuredly, that isn't "Most Canadians."
Herb Weber
Reply to @Dan Shortt: Make that 49 - just added my "vote". Most Canadians are neither confirmed Cold Warriors, nor LPCers.
Steve Wilson
Reply to @Dan Shortt: ... yes, attack the reasonable, great response!
Lorraine Karuse
Reply to @Awistoyus
Nahasthay: To save himself from Impeachment. Here is one article
quoting The Wall St Journal and New York Times
" Trump Cited GOP Senate Impeachment Pressure As Reason to Kill Soleiman"
Deep inside a long, detailed Wall Street Journal report about President Trump’s foreign policy advisers is an explosive nugget: “Mr. Trump, after the strike, told associates he was under pressure to deal with Gen. Soleimani from GOP senators he views as important supporters in his coming impeachment trial in the Senate, associates said.” This is a slightly stronger iteration of a fact the New York Times reported three days ago, to wit, “pointed out to one person who spoke to him on the phone last week that he had been pressured to take a harder line on Iran by some Republican senators whose support he needs now more than ever amid an impeachment battle.”
This would not mean Trump ordered the strike entirely, or even primarily, in order to placate Senate Republicans. But it does constitute an admission that domestic political considerations influenced his decision. That would, of course, constitute a grave dereliction of duty. - nymag.com
" Trump Cited GOP Senate Impeachment Pressure As Reason to Kill Soleiman"
Deep inside a long, detailed Wall Street Journal report about President Trump’s foreign policy advisers is an explosive nugget: “Mr. Trump, after the strike, told associates he was under pressure to deal with Gen. Soleimani from GOP senators he views as important supporters in his coming impeachment trial in the Senate, associates said.” This is a slightly stronger iteration of a fact the New York Times reported three days ago, to wit, “pointed out to one person who spoke to him on the phone last week that he had been pressured to take a harder line on Iran by some Republican senators whose support he needs now more than ever amid an impeachment battle.”
This would not mean Trump ordered the strike entirely, or even primarily, in order to placate Senate Republicans. But it does constitute an admission that domestic political considerations influenced his decision. That would, of course, constitute a grave dereliction of duty. - nymag.com
Lorraine Karuse
Reply to @Andre Legault: McCain's views are supported by FACTS
http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/01/report-trump-cited-impeachment-pressure-to-kill-soleimani.html
http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/01/report-trump-cited-impeachment-pressure-to-kill-soleimani.html
Brendan Burke
Reply to @Andre Legault: you're speaking in riddles now lol
Steve LaFramboise
Reply to @lorraine karuse: nymag is like quoting Fox News...
Maybe check out Some other “analysis” ..?
Maybe check out Some other “analysis” ..?
Richard Jay
Reply to @Awistoyus Nahasthay:
I don't.
First of all, "The CEO of Maple Leaf Foods spoke out against the United States government days after an Iranian missile accidentally shot down a Ukrainian jetliner"
Since when does the US control Iranian missiles?
Also, "U.S. government leaders unconstrained by checks/balances, concocted an ill-conceived plan to divert focus from political woes".
Really? You agree with that? The US planned for Iran to take down a plane to divert focus from political woes? That doesn't seem just a little far fetched? Exactly what political woes anyhow? An impeachment that doesn't seem to be going anywhere? The Russian collusion nonsense that and FBI investigation found nothing?
I don't.
First of all, "The CEO of Maple Leaf Foods spoke out against the United States government days after an Iranian missile accidentally shot down a Ukrainian jetliner"
Since when does the US control Iranian missiles?
Also, "U.S. government leaders unconstrained by checks/balances, concocted an ill-conceived plan to divert focus from political woes".
Really? You agree with that? The US planned for Iran to take down a plane to divert focus from political woes? That doesn't seem just a little far fetched? Exactly what political woes anyhow? An impeachment that doesn't seem to be going anywhere? The Russian collusion nonsense that and FBI investigation found nothing?
Richard Jay
Reply to @lorraine karuse:
"McCain's views are supported by FACTS
http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/01/report-trump-cited-impeachment-pressure-to-kill-soleimani.html";
That link does not report facts but nice try. If you read it and see "This is a slightly stronger iteration of a fact the New York Times reported three days ago" you would know that. NYT is propaganda and proven to be many times.
"McCain's views are supported by FACTS
http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/01/report-trump-cited-impeachment-pressure-to-kill-soleimani.html";
That link does not report facts but nice try. If you read it and see "This is a slightly stronger iteration of a fact the New York Times reported three days ago" you would know that. NYT is propaganda and proven to be many times.
Wayne Taylor
Reply to @Richard Jay: Ignorance is bliss.
Douglas Holden
Reply to @Richard Jay:
Donald Trump initiated these latest incidents with Iran to distract from his impeachment and his incompetence as president, with zero regard for the consequences. That plane being shot down was one of the consequences. Most Canadians know who initiated all this and why.
Donald Trump initiated these latest incidents with Iran to distract from his impeachment and his incompetence as president, with zero regard for the consequences. That plane being shot down was one of the consequences. Most Canadians know who initiated all this and why.
Richard Jay
Reply to @Wayne Taylor:
"Ignorance is bliss."
It sure is. Hopefully you can over come it.
"Ignorance is bliss."
It sure is. Hopefully you can over come it.
Richard Jay
Reply to @Douglas Holden:
"Donald Trump initiated these latest incidents with Iran to distract from his impeachment and his incompetence as president"
Nonsense. That's a conspiracy theory and a silly one at best.
"Donald Trump initiated these latest incidents with Iran to distract from his impeachment and his incompetence as president"
Nonsense. That's a conspiracy theory and a silly one at best.
David Raymond Amos
Reply to @Richard Jay: I disagree
David Raymond Amos
Reply to @Andre Legault: Methinks we should ask Bill Morneau what he has to say N'esy Pas?
Peter Ray
Reply to @Awistoyus Nahasthay:
No.
Only the bleeding hearts and those who wish OUR way of life to disappear.
The rest of well-adjusted, intelligent and educated Canada does not.
No.
Only the bleeding hearts and those who wish OUR way of life to disappear.
The rest of well-adjusted, intelligent and educated Canada does not.
David Raymond Amos
Reply to @David Raymond Amos: True or False?
"Nancy McCain is an heir to the privately held multi-billion dollar McCain Foods empire co-founded by her late father Andrew McCain and three uncles, Harrison, Wallace and Bob (all deceased). Nancy McCain's husband, Bill Morneau is Canada's finance minister and previously was executive chairman of the billion dollar human resource consultancy, Morneau Shepell, which his father William Morneau Sr founded. Her brother, Allison McCain is the current Chairman of McCain Foods, Nancy's cousin is Michael McCain who is CEO and the largest shareholder of the $4 billion Canadian food giant, Maple Leaf Foods. Little is known about the distribution of profits from the McCain company to family members. Public Court filings showed that at least one of Wallace McCain's children, Nancy's cousin, receives an annual $4.25 million tax free capital dividend. Public records show that Bill Morneau received compensation in excess of $1 million prior to his resignation from his company to become Canada's finance minister. While strict conflict of interest rules apply to Morneau's personal holdings in his capacity as finance minister, they do not apply to the personal holdings of Nancy McCain and by extension McCain Foods."
"Nancy McCain is an heir to the privately held multi-billion dollar McCain Foods empire co-founded by her late father Andrew McCain and three uncles, Harrison, Wallace and Bob (all deceased). Nancy McCain's husband, Bill Morneau is Canada's finance minister and previously was executive chairman of the billion dollar human resource consultancy, Morneau Shepell, which his father William Morneau Sr founded. Her brother, Allison McCain is the current Chairman of McCain Foods, Nancy's cousin is Michael McCain who is CEO and the largest shareholder of the $4 billion Canadian food giant, Maple Leaf Foods. Little is known about the distribution of profits from the McCain company to family members. Public Court filings showed that at least one of Wallace McCain's children, Nancy's cousin, receives an annual $4.25 million tax free capital dividend. Public records show that Bill Morneau received compensation in excess of $1 million prior to his resignation from his company to become Canada's finance minister. While strict conflict of interest rules apply to Morneau's personal holdings in his capacity as finance minister, they do not apply to the personal holdings of Nancy McCain and by extension McCain Foods."
Douglas Holden
Reply to @Richard Jay:
We all watched this happen in real time. While I’m sure there are many “backroom details” we’re not privy to, in no way was it a conspiracy. Trump did it in plain sight, because he knows by now his employers and enablers will cover for him. Reports from those in the room have said he didn’t even know who the drone strike was targeting. That’s because he didn’t care, so long as it did exactly what it’s doing: distract. It’s his one trick, he’s done it over and over, and this is just the latest disgusting example. Pizzagate was a “conspiracy theory”. This is global diplomacy as practiced by someone who could not care less about anyone else on the globe.
We all watched this happen in real time. While I’m sure there are many “backroom details” we’re not privy to, in no way was it a conspiracy. Trump did it in plain sight, because he knows by now his employers and enablers will cover for him. Reports from those in the room have said he didn’t even know who the drone strike was targeting. That’s because he didn’t care, so long as it did exactly what it’s doing: distract. It’s his one trick, he’s done it over and over, and this is just the latest disgusting example. Pizzagate was a “conspiracy theory”. This is global diplomacy as practiced by someone who could not care less about anyone else on the globe.
David Raymond Amos
Reply to @Douglas Holden: I agree
Matthew Smith
Reply to @Richard
Jay: I agree. 0 proof has yet to be presented. Only the sequence of
events which still have fully not been revealed are used.
Brendan O'Fecalith
Reply to @Awistoyus
Nahasthay: McCain certainly speaks for me on this, and for most of the
people I have spoken with about it. Only his language is more measured.
David Raymond Amos
Reply to @Brendan O'Fecalith: Me Too
Aaron Morris
Reply to @Awistoyus Nahasthay:
Most Canadians aren't so obtuse to see this as a black and white issue. Both sides are to blame, however one side physically destroyed a passenger plane.
Tina Falco
Reply to @lorraine karuse:
That's one view, this is another and more likely:
With Suleimani Assassination, Trump is Doing the Bidding of Washington’s Most Vile Cabal
by Jeremy Scahill, January 3, 2020
Tina Falco
Reply to @Peter Ray:
Still peddling 9/11 talking points?
Still peddling 9/11 talking points?
Tina Falco
Reply to @David Raymond Amos:
So Bill Morneau got indirectly dragged into this? Awesome.
So Bill Morneau got indirectly dragged into this? Awesome.
David Raymond Amos
Reply to @Tina Falco:
Methinks its just another one of those things I do that my political
opponents fail to appreciate N'esy Pas?
Douglas Holden
Reply to @Aaron Morris:
That’s a bit like parents watching one sibling smash the toy of another sibling, the other sibling throwing a punch in retaliation, then the parents blame them both for the dust up. Would the punch have been thrown if the toy were still intact? Of course not.
Tina Falco
Reply to @Aaron Morris:
Canadians have been given a gift to learn about the US shenanigans used in manufacturing consent for wars, yet some choose to remain obtuse.
Why not accept the gift instead?
The L iar s that Led Us to War
January 10, 2020
Canadians have been given a gift to learn about the US shenanigans used in manufacturing consent for wars, yet some choose to remain obtuse.
Why not accept the gift instead?
The L iar s that Led Us to War
January 10, 2020
Tina Falco
Reply to @David Raymond Amos:
Yup.
David Allan
Reply to @Brendan Burke:
"Actually, I'll rephrase it by saying that anyone with any sense would not agree"
Anyone with any sense can see that Trump's illegal assassination is what caused this.
"Actually, I'll rephrase it by saying that anyone with any sense would not agree"
Anyone with any sense can see that Trump's illegal assassination is what caused this.
David Allan
Reply to @Lee Hall:
"We are aligned with US foreign policy almost 100% and the US oligarchy that determines it."
No we aren't.
You just made that up.
When did Canada express support for Trump's illegal assassination?
"We are aligned with US foreign policy almost 100% and the US oligarchy that determines it."
No we aren't.
You just made that up.
When did Canada express support for Trump's illegal assassination?
Norm Dixon
Reply to @Awistoyus
Nahasthay: On the contrary, most Canadians can think for them selves.
Is it Trumps fault that Iran are shooting protestors too? We are all
responsible for our own actions!!!
David Allan
Reply to @Steve LaFramboise:
"nymag is like quoting Fox News... "
What about WSJ?
Are you going to attack them too?
"nymag is like quoting Fox News... "
What about WSJ?
Are you going to attack them too?
David Allan
Reply to @Richard Jay:
"Since when does the US control Iranian missiles? "
Attempting to disassociate the cause from the effect is disingenuous at best.
If Trump hadn't illegally assassinated Iran's general in an act of war, this wouldn't have happened.
"Since when does the US control Iranian missiles? "
Attempting to disassociate the cause from the effect is disingenuous at best.
If Trump hadn't illegally assassinated Iran's general in an act of war, this wouldn't have happened.
Perry Best
Reply to @Awistoyus Nahasthay: "Most Canadians agree with McCain."
It seems that a lot of Iranians are putting their lives on the line to agree with Mr. Trump.
It seems that a lot of Iranians are putting their lives on the line to agree with Mr. Trump.
Graham Godlien
Reply to @Awistoyus Nahasthay: when I wrote this .... at best only 133 Canadians agree .
..
..
Tina Falco
Reply to @David Allan:
Nope..Lee did not make that up, die hard Liberals however, just won't admit it.
Canada supports US in all their foreign adventures, the US even boasted about how we adopted an America First Policy.
Yet unlike you, I won't tell you to get a clue.
Nope..Lee did not make that up, die hard Liberals however, just won't admit it.
Canada supports US in all their foreign adventures, the US even boasted about how we adopted an America First Policy.
Yet unlike you, I won't tell you to get a clue.
Michael Trebych
Reply to @Perry Best:
Then why were they outraged when the General was assassinated? Yours is
an utterly lame defense that thinks lives lost in an election bid is
acceptable. Despicable
Tina Falco
Reply to @Norm Dixon:
Protesters like MeK? A group that Bolton, Giuliani and even Harper rallied to overthrow the Iranian government?
Now why would Bolton, Giuliani and even Harper want to do that?
Protesters like MeK? A group that Bolton, Giuliani and even Harper rallied to overthrow the Iranian government?
Now why would Bolton, Giuliani and even Harper want to do that?
Toby Mockler
Reply to @Awistoyus Nahasthay: If you're taking a poll, this Canadian does not agree with him.
Bell Woo
Reply to @toby mockler: this canuck does however...
Doug Mackenzie
Reply to @Awistoyus Nahasthay:
Most Canadians are worried about the Habs, the Leafs, Jets, etc.
Norman Albert
Reply to @Awistoyus
Nahasthay: I agree 100 per cent. They need to str8 jacket Donnie and
lock him up before he takes us on a road with no return.
Dima Elman
Reply to @Awistoyus Nahasthay: Don't talk for most Canadians.
Mia Stalling
Reply to @Dima Elman:
I would say he does and you no not......bye bye
I would say he does and you no not......bye bye
Mia Stalling
Reply to @mia stalling:
do not
do not
Ethan Beaver
Reply to @Awistoyus
Nahasthay: Then most Canadians are not very bright. Following that
logic trail, blame George Washington or Christopher Columbus.
Norman Albert
Reply to @Andre Legault: Until Donnie decides to sanction all McCain products that is. I respect Micheal's choice..
Stanley Baird
Reply to @Awistoyus
Nahasthay: this is misplaced anger. Iran shoots its own citizens when
they protest and has demonstrated this past week beyond any doubt that
they cannot be trusted with nuke weapons. Iran has sent missiles
into Saudi Arab last year, into tankers in the Gulf last year, and into
Iraq last week. The US has imposed sanctions against Iran and conduct
one precise rocket attack on a terrorist ("general") organizer in Iraq.
Iran shot down a passenger jet that had just been cleared to takeoff
from its own capital's airport minutes before and hours after its own
missile strike. To blame Trump for this incompetence makes about as
much sense as blaming Trudeau.
Norman Albert
Reply to @Norm Dixon:
If protesters are being killed no doubt it is orchestrated by CIA and
Mossad antagonizes. Check out the rest of the globe. All these up
risings are being used to destabilize designated areas of JUSA and Israe
li Interests. There is a direct line between all these actions and the
MO of desperate terrorist nations
Michael Trebych
Reply to @David Allan: 100% in agreement.
David Allan
Reply to @Norm Dixon:
"On the contrary, most Canadians can think for them selves. Is it Trumps fault that Iran are shooting protestors too? We are all responsible for our own actions!!!"
Why isn't Trump responsible for his actions that started this?
"On the contrary, most Canadians can think for them selves. Is it Trumps fault that Iran are shooting protestors too? We are all responsible for our own actions!!!"
Why isn't Trump responsible for his actions that started this?
David Allan
Reply to @Tina Falco:
"Canada supports US in all their foreign adventures, the US even boasted about how we adopted an America First Policy.
Yet unlike you, I won't tell you to get a clue."
When did Canada support America's illegal assassination?
Please, quote the official statement from the PMO.
I have that clue.
You clearly don't.
"Canada supports US in all their foreign adventures, the US even boasted about how we adopted an America First Policy.
Yet unlike you, I won't tell you to get a clue."
When did Canada support America's illegal assassination?
Please, quote the official statement from the PMO.
I have that clue.
You clearly don't.
Michael Trebych
Reply to @toby
mockler: Nothing like saying that you agree that innocent lives lost in a
re election bid are acceptable to grow your like numbers, huh?
Oh wait…..
Oh wait…..
Doug Mackenzie
Reply to @Ethan Beaver:
Cristobal Colon never set foot in America. The continent derives its name from Amerigo Vespucci. Not knowing history accurately can lead to misconceptions.
Cristobal Colon never set foot in America. The continent derives its name from Amerigo Vespucci. Not knowing history accurately can lead to misconceptions.
David Allan
Reply to @Ethan Beaver:
"Then most Canadians are not very bright. Following that logic trail, blame George Washington or Christopher Columbus."
Trump's illegal assassination is the direct cause of Iran's launching missiles.
"Then most Canadians are not very bright. Following that logic trail, blame George Washington or Christopher Columbus."
Trump's illegal assassination is the direct cause of Iran's launching missiles.
Geoff Radnor
Reply to @Ethan Beaver: You are one of those Canadians
Stephen Metcalfe
Reply to @Awistoyus Nahasthay: Pretty rich coming from a guy who killed 22 people with his food.
Fern Dignard
Reply to @Stephen Metcalfe:
Go home 'merican.
Go home 'merican.
Tina Falco
Reply to @David Allan:
"When did Canada support America's illegal assassination?"
Where's the official statement from the PMO that they don't? Oh right there isn't one.
From the Government of Canada website:
January 3, 2020 - Ottawa, Ontario - Global Affairs Canada
“Canada has long been concerned by the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps' Qods Force, led by Qasem Soleimani, whose aggressive actions have had a destabilizing effect in the region and beyond.”
Not only are you blindly partisan, you also...yup I will say it this time, have NO CLUE.
"When did Canada support America's illegal assassination?"
Where's the official statement from the PMO that they don't? Oh right there isn't one.
From the Government of Canada website:
January 3, 2020 - Ottawa, Ontario - Global Affairs Canada
“Canada has long been concerned by the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps' Qods Force, led by Qasem Soleimani, whose aggressive actions have had a destabilizing effect in the region and beyond.”
Not only are you blindly partisan, you also...yup I will say it this time, have NO CLUE.
Tina Falco
Reply to @David Allan:
Oh and Iraq said to take a hike, yet:
“Canada is in contact with our international partners. The safety and well-being of Canadians in Iraq and the region, including our troops and diplomats, is our paramount concern.
“We call on all sides to exercise restraint and pursue de-escalation. Our goal is and remains a united and stable Iraq."
In other words, America First Policy.
Oh and Iraq said to take a hike, yet:
“Canada is in contact with our international partners. The safety and well-being of Canadians in Iraq and the region, including our troops and diplomats, is our paramount concern.
“We call on all sides to exercise restraint and pursue de-escalation. Our goal is and remains a united and stable Iraq."
In other words, America First Policy.
Tina Falco
Reply to @David Allan:
One more thing David, blind partisanship hurts us all.
Oh and of course, get a clue.
David Raymond Amos
Reply to @Tina Falco: Methinks blind partisanship certainly does hurt us all particularly when practiced by politicians such a Trump and Trudeau who think they have it all figured out because they deliberately ignore any clue that may cause doubt of their agenda N'esy Pas?
Mannie Salado
I agree with the man. The seminal moment in this path to disaster was the day Trump welshed on the nukes deal.
Jed Eckert
Reply to @Mannie Salado:
You can't twist facts to suit your narrative.
You can't twist facts to suit your narrative.
Mannie Salado
Reply to @Jed Eckert: So what do you see as the defining moment of this latest Iran crisis?
Jed Eckert
Reply to @Mannie Salado:
There is no single defining moment.
There is no single defining moment.
Grant Bryck
Reply to @Mannie Salado: how far do you want to fo back....1979??
Mannie Salado
Reply to @Jed Eckert: correct....every incident since 1979 is a single issue in a history of conflict in the region.
Mannie Salado
Reply to @Grant Bryck: You think Trump never untied his yellow ribbon, and all this is revenge for the hostage crisis?
Mannie Salado
Reply to @Grant
Bryck: Why not go back to Mossadegh and his American engineered removal?
My pont is, it looked like the peace pipe had been smoked when the
nukes deal was signed...but Trump felt otherwise.
Grant Bryck
Reply to @Mannie Salado: Geez, a lot happened between then and now.
Grant Bryck
Reply to @Mannie
Salado: how can you say that when the General continues his control of
the Iranian les proxy attacks, while the deal was inforced
Mannie Salado
Reply to @Grant
Bryck: I've been clear in my view...this latest chapter began with
Trump's welsh on the nukes deal. You can decide for yourself when your
chapters begin and end.
Grant Bryck
Reply to @Mannie
Salado: that's the underlying issue, where is the root cause... Complete
an analysis and it starts way before OM.
Mannie Salado
Reply to @Grant Bryck: Whatever you say.
Mannie Salado
Reply to @Grant
Bryck: Tell me this...in your estimation, if America had kept their word
and not betrayed the Iran deal, would tensions be so high in the Gulf
that civilian aircraft would be mistaken for cruise missiles?
Lee Hall
Reply to @Mannie
Salado:
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Henry Lin
Reply to @Jed Eckert: What facts are twisted? Can't just say that without meaning anything.
Henry Lin
Reply to @Grant Bryck: Root cause? Uhm the root is Trump. Why? You want to blame this on Carter or Reagan?
John
Hancock
Reply to @Mannie
Salado: yea the Iranians just shot down an aircraft full of civilians.
Without a doubt in my mind we should have allowed them to have nuclear
capabilities... hahaha
Mannie Salado
Reply to @John
Hancock: Dont go too far down that road. The Americans and the
Russians...twice...have shot down civilian aircraft in military
misadventure.
Steve LaFramboise
Reply to @Mannie Salado: I bet the Iranian government doesn’t make a stamp commemorating this one, though.
Lorraine Karuse
Reply to @Mannie
Salado: Saudis appeased Trump by inviting him, treating him like a King
and BUYING $Billions in defense equipment. Saudis and Kushner then set
their site on sidelining Iran(Sunni - Shia rivalry, Israel - Iran).
Douglas Holden
Reply to @Jed Eckert:
Ah yes, the inevitability of history. “That gun would have went off whether the assassin picked it up or not,”. That’s how WW1 started. The gun did it.
Ah yes, the inevitability of history. “That gun would have went off whether the assassin picked it up or not,”. That’s how WW1 started. The gun did it.
Steve LaFramboise
Reply to @lorraine
karuse: so Soleimani tried to hire Iraqi militias to attack embassies,
to try to win over the angry citizens.
The US killed Soleimani and brought the country together against the US.
Then the Iran military made a mistake, which they compounded with a few days of lies, to try to control the protesters.
The best outcome would be that the Iranians can get this regime out and implement some form of democracy, although the US and Iran’s current regime will both continue to try to use the citizens as pawns.
The US killed Soleimani and brought the country together against the US.
Then the Iran military made a mistake, which they compounded with a few days of lies, to try to control the protesters.
The best outcome would be that the Iranians can get this regime out and implement some form of democracy, although the US and Iran’s current regime will both continue to try to use the citizens as pawns.
Karl Gauss
Reply to @Mannie
Salado: :"The seminal moment in this path to disaster was the day Trump
welshed on the nukes deal." Right on, it's time to nuke Wales!!
David Raymond Amos
Reply to @Mannie Salado: I concur
David Raymond Amos
Reply to @Jed Eckert: Methinks an irrefutable fact is that Trump did welsh on the nukes deal N'esy Pas?
David Raymond Amos
Reply to @Mannie Salado: "So what do you see as the defining moment of this latest Iran crisis?"
Trump's impeachment
Trump's impeachment
Mannie Salado
Reply to @David
Raymond Amos: Trump choking on a too big bite of Big Mac, and slowly
tuning a darker and darker shade of blue as no one came to his rescue.
Mannie Salado
Reply to @Grant Bryck: What do you mean by "proxy attacks"?
Tina Falco
Reply to @Steve LaFramboise: "...get this regime out and implement some form of democracy."
First, the west is no shining example of "democracy".
Second, not aware of how that turned out the other 5, 10, 20 times?
Perry Best
Reply to @Mannie Salado: "I agree with the man. The seminal moment in this path to disaster was the day Trump welshed on the nukes deal."
So you disagree with the intelligence from many other nations saying that Iran was already welshing on the nukes deal?
Mannie Salado
Reply to @Perry Best: The intelligence of what nations were saying that?
Terri
Payne
Reply to @Steve LaFramboise:
Re: your statement that "The best outcome would be that the Iranians can get this regime out and implement some form of democracy", the same applies to the U.S. as well!
Re: your statement that "The best outcome would be that the Iranians can get this regime out and implement some form of democracy", the same applies to the U.S. as well!
Mannie Salado
Reply to @Terri
Payne: And it shows a complete ignorance of politics in Iran. The last
elections brought a solid win for the moderates and liberals...a victory
Trump refused to recognize in any way.
Reply to @Mannie Salado:
Grant is conflating the facts.
While JCPOA was honoured, there was Yemen, Iraq, Syria...all the US adventures (including through their own proxies) of toppling governments, still going on.
This, along with the arming and support of Daesh, al Qaeda and al Nusra, was met with push back from Iran through Soleimani.
David Raymond Amos
Grant is conflating the facts.
While JCPOA was honoured, there was Yemen, Iraq, Syria...all the US adventures (including through their own proxies) of toppling governments, still going on.
This, along with the arming and support of Daesh, al Qaeda and al Nusra, was met with push back from Iran through Soleimani.
David Raymond Amos
Reply to @Mannie
Salado: Methinks Trump and his cohorts prove on a daily basis that the
term "intelligence of nations"is an oxymoron N'esy Pas?
Mannie Salado
Reply to @David Raymond Amos: D'accord.
David Allan
Reply to @Perry Best:
"So you disagree with the intelligence from many other nations saying that Iran was already welshing on the nukes deal?"
Credible citation required.
Iran was in full compliance.
Norman Brown
Reply to @Mannie Salado: America can not be trusted and that is a problem for the world .
Fern Dignard
Reply to @Mannie Salado:
Trump welshes on every deal.
Trump welshes on every deal.
Steve LaFramboise
Reply to @Tina Falco: The people need a voice, not a Marshall Plan.
The only way that Iran can join the rest of the world in harmony is if there’s real security in the ME. I’m not sure how that can happen without outside help, but the US shouldn’t be taking the lead, for several reasons.
Mannie Salado
Reply to @Fern Dignard: Trump is a massive back-stabbing snake in the grass.
David Raymond Amos
Reply to @Mannie Salado: Methinks many would agree that all politicians are N'esy Pas?
Pat George
I support Michael McCain’s opinions wholeheartedly. He hit the nail on the head.
Will Woods
Reply to @Pat George: your right, it is easier to virtue signal than articulate a rational point.
Jed Eckert
Reply to @Will Woods:
And think of the profits ML may reap from the attention and supporters of the CEO'S words.
And think of the profits ML may reap from the attention and supporters of the CEO'S words.
Brendan Burke
Reply to @Pat George: I'm sure his American share holders will disagree with you
Roger O' Malley
Reply to @Pat George:
Good, now maybe you can support him and buy more of his companies
product because I won't. I've avoided that food for a long time and for
good reason I assure you...
Martin Schulte
Reply to @Pat George:
To bad the supporters of Predator Trump are so immersed in their echo
chamber/propaganda that they can't see the man for what he truly is.
Judge his own words, and his actions, and any reasonable person can see
he is not fit for the office of the President.
Matthew Smith
Reply to @Will Woods: Nailed it.
David Raymond Amos
Reply to @Pat George: YUP
David Allan
Reply to @Jed Eckert:
"And think of the profits ML may reap from the attention and supporters of the CEO'S words."
Check the share price to learn you're wrong.
Facts matter.
Edward Peter
Reply to @Pat George:
It is good to see a person in the position of responsibility state his
personal opinion and his feeling of loss for his fellow worker, they are
human and they do care.
Michael
Trebych
Reply to @David Allan: Wrong. Evidently money matters more than the truth and human lives. Sad.
David Allan
Reply to @Brendan Burke: I believe he was talking from his heart, not about a business deal, it was personal.
David Allan
Reply to @Michael Trebych:
"Wrong. Evidently money matters more than the truth and human lives. Sad."
Credible citation?
"Wrong. Evidently money matters more than the truth and human lives. Sad."
Credible citation?
Fern Dignard
Reply to @David Allan:
Trump assassinated Soleimani for a small approval uptick and deserves to get publicly slammed.
Trump assassinated Soleimani for a small approval uptick and deserves to get publicly slammed.
Norman Albert
Reply to @Fern
Dignard: He should be charged under war crimes act and locked up for
1000 years. This clown is not funny anymore.
David Raymond Amos
Reply to @Fern Dignard: I agree
Michael
Trebych
Reply to @David
Allan: That was just me, Dave. No offence meant. Just sad how it seems
like everything is measured in money these days…
Michael
Trebych
Reply to @Pat George: He *buried* that nail and it came out the other side…
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David Raymond Amos
Reply to @Michael
Trebych: Everybody knows everything political is always about the
money. The existence of this article clearly proves that fact. If Mr
McCain was not so wealthy and politically connected methinks we would
know of his indignation towards Trump's actions N'esy Pas?
David Raymond Amos
Reply to @David Raymond Amos: The Current
David Raymond Amos
Reply to @David Raymond Amos: The Current
'Imperative' that Canada and U.S. 'continue to cooperate,' minister says
CBC Radio · Posted: Jan 13, 2020 1:46 PM ET
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Everything political is always about the money The existence of this article clearly proves that fact If Mr McCain was not so wealthy and politically connected methinks we would know of his indignation towards Trump's actions N'esy Pas?
https://www.cbc.ca/radio/thecurrent/maple-leaf-foods-ceo-s-tweets-slamming-u-s-for-ps752-downing-reflects-fury-canadians-are-feeling-minister-1.5424810
Maple Leaf Foods CEO's tweets slamming U.S. for PS752 downing reflects 'fury' Canadians are feeling: minister
'Imperative' that Canada and U.S. 'continue to cooperate,' minister says
A Toronto vigil to the 57 Canadians killed when Iran shot down flight PS752 last week. Tehran said the missile was fired in human error. (Rozenn Nicolle/Radio-Canada)
Immigration Minister Marco Mendicino says a Canadian CEO's public criticism of the U.S. is tapping into "the fury" felt by Canadians following the shooting down of flight PS752 in Iran.
Maple Leaf Foods CEO Michael McCain sent the series of tweets days after a colleague lost his wife and son when the plane was shot down by an Iranian missile. Iran blamed human error for shooting down the plane, which coincided with a missile attack aimed at U.S. personnel in Iraq, in retaliation for the U.S. killing of Iranian Gen. Qassem Soleimani.
In the tweets, McCain blamed the U.S., saying that a "a narcissist in Washington" had destabilized the region.
I’m
Michael McCain, CEO of Maple Leaf Foods, and these are personal
reflections. I am very angry, and time isn’t making me less angry. A MLF
colleague of mine lost his wife and family this week to a needless,
irresponsible series of events in Iran...
…U.S. government leaders unconstrained by checks/balances, concocted an ill-conceived plan to divert focus from political woes. The world knows Iran is a dangerous state, but the world found a path to contain it; not perfect but by most accounts it was the right direction…
..A
narcissist in Washington tears world accomplishments apart; destabilizes
region. US now unwelcomed everywhere in the area including Iraq;
tensions escalated to feverish pitch. Taking out despicable military
leader terrorist? There are a hundred like him, standing next in line
Mendicino told The Current's Matt Galloway that McCain's statement "taps into and reflects the anger that is being felt by the families and by Canadians right across the country."
But he says Canada and the U.S. "are among the closest of allies in the world," and "it's imperative that we continue to cooperate."
He says the government is channelling the national anger into efforts "to provide justice and accountability for families, because they're entitled to it."
"And we will not stop, and we will not rest until we get it."
Prime Minister Justin Trudeau has said Iran must take full responsibility for shooting down the plane, which must include a full and credible investigation, but he's steered clear of pinning the crash on the Americans.
Efforts underway
Three Canadian investigators were granted visas and arrived in Iran over the weekend, but Mendocino says the government is expecting Iranian authorities to grant further visas to conduct "a timely, thorough and transparent investigation."
Mendicino says hotlines have been set up for people seeking information, and there is a "whole-of-government approach" to ensuring families can repatriate their loved ones' remains.
He added that "the question of compensation has to be in the mix" for the victims' families.
"We are going to be ensuring that that question is answered, and Iran will have to take full responsibility," he said.
"The message to the impacted families is that we are with you."
Written by Padraig Moran, with files from The Canadian Press. Produced by Ben Jamieson and Max Paris.
179 Comments
David Raymond Amos
Everybody knows everything political is always about the money. The existence of this article clearly proves that fact. If Mr McCain was not so wealthy and politically connected methinks we would know of his indignation towards Trump's actions N'esy Pas?
Allen Mark Gordon
I suppose a CEO of a company is entitled to an opinion as much as the next man, or woman. My thoughts and prayers are with the victims, their families, friends, loved ones. Hopefully there's no more violence, calmer heads are able to prevail in Tehran and Washington.
Bobby
Burke
Reply to @Allen Mark
Gordon: - Did we feel the same way in 88 when the USA shot down flight
655? Took decades for them to admit fault!
David Raymond Amos
Reply to @Bobby
Burke: Methinks Trump and his cohorts prove on a daily basis that the
term "intelligence of nations"is an oxymoron N'esy Pas?
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