Thursday 17 November 2016

The Liebranos of New Brunswick drops their senseless litigation and the Mother Corp shows us her nasty partisan arse on the same day EH?


http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/dual-busing-court-of-appeal-case-dropped-1.3853660

Gallant government abandons school bus duality court case

Education Minister Brian Kenny says decision on school busing will be left up to school districts

By Jacques Poitras, CBC News Posted: Nov 16, 2016 3:23 PM AT

 
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Province will leave shared buses up to districts 1:11

The Liberal government is abandoning its constitutional court case on dual school busing and will instead leave decisions on student transportation to individual district education councils.

It's a stunning reversal for a government that said last year it wanted the New Brunswick Court of Appeal to clarify whether dual bus systems for English and French school systems were required by the Constitution.
But the court said in a procedural decision last month it still wasn't persuaded it should even hear the case at all.

Wednesday the Liberals said given that hesitation, they would abandon the reference case and instead let DECs decide for themselves on school busing.
'It's up to the districts.' - Brian Kenny, education minister
That means a francophone and an anglophone district could choose to share buses, Education Minister Brian Kenny told reporters.

"The districts were set up to have local autonomy," he said. "It's up to the districts."

Kenny said the Court of Appeal clearly had "reservations" about ruling in the case. "I wanted to make sure that we provided clarity on this."

He pointed out that DECs are made up of parents and representatives elected by parents.
Section 23 of the Charter of Rights and Freedoms guarantees minority-language parents the right to govern their own schools, so by leaving the bus decision up to education councils — the mechanism for that governance — the province can argue it's complying with the charter, even if the councils decide to share buses.

Difficult for districts


But Michel Doucet, a law professor and language rights expert at the University of Moncton, says a francophone district that decides to share a bus route with an anglophone district would have to show that it's not violating the language rights of students.


Michel Doucet
Michel Doucet, an official languages expert at the University of Moncton, expects school districts in New Brunswick will maintain separate busing systems in the wake of Wednesday's decision by the provincial government. (Jacques Poitras/CBC News)

"It would be difficult for them … and if they would do it without justifying it under Section 23, they would open the door to a legal challenge."

Doucet says he expects the new policy means nothing will change and the two busing systems will continue to operate. He pointed out all three francophone districts in the province have adopted resolutions opposing shared, so-called bilingual busing.

"So basically we're just back to where we were a year and a half ago, before the reference was made to the Court of Appeal," he said.

Reference ruling sought last year


The Gallant government decided to send the dual busing issue to the Court of Appeal for a reference ruling last year, after weeks of controversy.

The tipping point came when then-Education Minister Serge Rousselle told the two school districts in Kent County, one English and one French, that their sharing of a school bus run wasn't allowed.

That prompted a backlash and the Liberals decided to send the case to the courts, even though they were adamant the Constitution required them to provide two bus systems.

Kenny said Wednesday the new policy will allow the two school districts in Kent County to resume their sharing arrangement if the two education councils choose to do so.

Higgs reacts

Progressive Conservative Opposition Leader Blaine Higgs said "We'll wait to see the impact of this policy, but if the districts will be given more decision-making power, we'd suggest they be able to decide the entry point for early French immersion. I know of at least two districts that would make good use of that power."

Higgs has relentlessly criticized the Liberals over the last two weeks for deciding to move the entry point for French immersion from Grade 3 back to Grade 1.

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 161 Comments were allowed however no doubt there were many more but I can only know about the the ones of mine that CBC blocked. We should ask ouselves what else was blocked.

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Ben Robinson
Ben Robinson
Good. Now lets get rid of the whole wasteful dual busing system.
23 hours ago
 
David Raymond Amos
David Raymond Amos
@Ben Robinson Beware that you don't raise the Ire of certain snobby bureaucrats that don't want their kids on the bus with ours for fear they may enjoy conversing with fellow Maritimers in English.
20 hours ago
William Roberts
William Roberts
@Ben Robinson Such a waste of Time , money and energy to arrive back in Limbo. Lets see what this whole issue is costing tax payers?
Tired of politicians at every level ducking that one question. HOW MUCH?
20 hours ago
 
David Raymond Amos
David Raymond Amos
@William Roberts I suspect that is the first question Dominic Leblanc's Brother in Law Andre Richard asked himself. HOW MUCH money could he make in legal fees while getting even byway of embarrassing his old foe.

Methinks if you go back to one of the first CBC reports about this senseless action you may agree with my opinion. Have look see.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/dual-bus-attorney-general-lawyers-1.3454107
19 hours ago
 
Shawn McShane
Shawn McShane
@David Raymond Amos Is everyone related in NB Government? Seems like it. Check out the names on all the crown corp sunshine lists and cross reference it to MPs past and present. There is no LibCon they are married. Lets vote different for once in our lives.
17 hours ago
 
Ben Robinson
Ben Robinson
@William Roberts I believe I read that busing for schools cost ~$65 million annually. I suspect that by gong down to one system, we'd save 30-40% of that.
15 hours ago
 
Alex Forbes
Alex Forbes
@Ben Robinson Anglophone Party of NB?
13 hours ago
 
David Raymond Amos
David Raymond Amos
@Shawn McShane Why do think I ran for public office five times?
4 hours ago
 
David Raymond Amos
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David Raymond Amos
@Alex Forbes Nope its time to the ordinary French and English folks to form and new political party and call it something simple like PO for Pissed Off or KISS fo Keep It Simple Stupid.

Do tell did anyone bother to Paul Hellyer's book called "Good Bye Canada" or what political party he created and why??? It was a Hell of piece of work.

What really took the cake for me year later was when I was running in the Election of the 38th Parliament the French lawyer Bernie Lord had the Prima Donna artsy fartsy French Lt Governor and the French Sgt at Arms who was ex RCMP/GRC member who found the dope in Hatfield's baggage when he was traveling with the Queen bar me for parliamentary properties.

Trust thatI wrote a letter to the Lt Governor of New Brunswick and made it a point to remind that snobby French man of what Louis Riel wrote in his diary before the RCMP/GRC had him hung. Old Louie the Metis warned us that the French would take back Canada without out firing a shot.

Everybody knows the evil Liebrano lawyers from Quebec Chretien and Trudeau "The Elder" started that ball rolling in 193 with the revision of the Constitution. Many years later the mindless pretty boy Trudeau "The Younger" is following his Fat Daddy's Liebrano playbook to the letter. N'esy Pas?
3 hours ago
 
David Raymond Amos
David Raymond Amos
@David Raymond Amos FYI Way back in the early eighties after Trudeau "The Elder" did in the folks living in "The Pace To BE" with a Charter he and his buddy Jean Chretien created to screw the English with I became a card carrying member of an Anglophone Society in NB for valid reasons. It was after my mother in law whom I dearly and truly loved (Imagine that?) had to retire early from the RCMP/GRC because she could not speak French even though she had done her job just fine since 1954 ( I believe I still have that old membership card somewhere in box of mementos along with a picture of a very fine lady)

That said in looking back in the over 30 years since, I must confess that the average French taxpayer in New Brunswick have been screwed every bit as much as the English ones. The only French people making a big score work for the government while the rest of the the French and English folks pay their way byway of more and more taxes as our services are constantly cut.

A lot of French people who made the big score came down here from Quebec. Among the first to come were members of the RCMP/GRC. (Did anybody notice that Quebeckers are wise enough not employ that very corrupt Federal Para-Military Force?) Anyway most the the French GRC members would only speak their lingo to us as they pummeled us with speeding tickets etc. Hence the creation of the New Brunswick Highway Patrol, Anglophone Societies and the COR party.
3 hours ago

 
David Raymond Amos
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David Raymond Amos
@David Raymond Amos Yo CBC check my Twitter account and your email accounts
13 minutes ago

Mack Leigh
Mack Leigh
What a cowardly bunch of bullies we have running this province, in my opinion !!!! One more time back tracking on their decisions now sitting on the fence hoping that no one will notice. Implementing yet another policy which I predict will mean another demand for additional funding by the francophone education system. Did they not just hand over 11 million to the francophone teachers in order to quash a lawsuit ???? Enough with duality !!!
23 hours ago
 
Travis McIntyre
Travis McIntyre
@Mack Leigh we don't know how much they got, details suppressed....it was based on $11 million per year but retroactive back 4 Years!! Can you imagine.....
22 hours ago
 
Michael McFadden
Michael McFadden
@Travis McIntyre Common sense would dictate that if you're being sued, because you did something wrong, and your likely to loose, then negotiate a settlement before one is imposed on you by the courts that going to cost you a lot more.
20 hours ago
 
Miles Hawkeye7
Miles Hawkeye7
@Mack Leigh
Especially when it is funded by the rest of Canada in the form of equalization payments.
20 hours ago
 
David Raymond Amos
David Raymond Amos
@Michael McFadden The Crown doesn't think that way when the citizens it purportedly serves and protects sue it. Trust that I know from personal experience. Long ago I came to an understanding that the democracy and justice are myths. If someone is dumb enough to believe that there are ethical lawyers and politicians then don't tell them about Santa or the Easter Bunny or they will get mad at ya.

On the other hand I find fun in poking holes in the stuffed shirts as I dice with the smiling bastards in the political arena and in the courts. Its kinda comical that nobody will dare talk about my legal and political actions particularly the Crown Corp commonly known as the CBC.

The Crown's MO is as follows. It enlists mindless lawyers on staff or hires certain buddies as outside counsel use our resources to swamp the citizen with mindless and very flawed motions that the judges try to support in order to delay the matter at least until there is a new governmental mandate and the new political boss can blame the past boss for being incompetent. .

In the "Mean" time the Crown keeps asking for costs to be awarded to it for their lawyers motions from the political cronies it appointed to be judges. If all else fails the Crown attorneys simply delay deny and lie as they wait til you either give up or run out of money or crawl away and die.

As for I am like a dog with a bone and won't let go of the simple truth about the rampant public corruption. Like the energizer bunny I keep going and going but I have grown old doing so and look a lot like Santa these days.

C'est La Vie
20 hours ago

Marlene Crandlemire
Marlene Crandlemire
Serge Rousselle need to pay for the court costs as he was the one who "commissioned" the court on nothing more than his own sense of importance.
22 hours ago
 
kelly sherrard
kelly sherrard
@Marlene Crandlemire I agree. If these ministers who cause such blatant gov't waste of taxpayers money were to be charged with wasting public moneys and inciting hostility between the 2 major sectors in this province, they may be smart enough to think twice. And they should be able to hide behind their gov't title/office either.
22 hours ago
 
David Raymond Amos
David Raymond Amos
@Marlene Crandlemire I concur
20 hours ago
 
Ray Bungay
Ray Bungay
@Marlene Crandlemire Or ignorance!!
19 hours ago

 Freddy Rose
Freddy Rose
"Education Minister Brian Kenny announced the government will leave the decision up to the school districts."

Wow. Pass the buck. Don't make any tough decisions. Way to go. Cowards!
1 day ago
 
Ed Tour
Ed Tour
@Freddy Rose Not to worry, the school board have been told what they WILL do.
23 hours ago
 
Shawn McShane
Shawn McShane
@Freddy Rose The right thing happened. The school district in a certain area was busing French and English students on the same bus until Serge Rousselle found out: Education Minister Serge Rousselle wants bilingual buses in Kent County to be stopped

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/dominic-cardy-seeks-judicial-review-on-duality-in-school-busing-1.3011770
19 hours ago
 
David Raymond Amos
David Raymond Amos
@Shawn McShane I loved this headline in CBC.

"Attorney general may have to argue both sides of dual bus case"

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/dual-language-bus-appeal-drapeau-1.3450152

The matter should have been over that day if Andre Ricard was not milking the matter for his benefit while embarrassing the Hell out of his old lawyer friend/enemy Sergey Baby Rousselle.

BTW many little birdies have told me that the snobby Trudeau "The Younger" and his federal cohorts are no fond of Dominic Leblanc's puppet Premier Gallant and his many provincial cronies.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/dual-language-bus-appeal-drapeau-1.3450152
4 hours ago

Buford Wilson
Buford Wilson
There's a concern that the french speaking students may become contaminated through contact with the english children.
22 hours ago
 
William Roberts
William Roberts
@Buford Wilson Perhaps the English Students could be confined to the back of the bus?
20 hours ago
 
Marc Martin
Marc Martin
@Buford Wilson
If their parents are the same type of person that post on the CBC forum I would be scared.
7 hours ago
 
David Raymond Amos
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David Raymond Amos
@Marc Martin Trust that the minions within CBC are scared. Why else would they block my comments to a fellow Union member???
1 hour ago


Hank Hanrattay
Hank Hanrattay
French costs the taxpayers of NB way way too much given the small population of the province. Time to scrap duality and bilingualism and multiculturalism and all the other programs that strip the money from us hard working white English folks who built and maintained this country!
21 hours ago
 
David Barker
David Barker
@Hank Hanrattay Wow....you sound a bit like "the Donald!"
20 hours ago
 
Dennis Colter Pugh
Dennis Colter Pugh
@Hank Hanrattay
You are right.
20 hours ago
 
Claudia Tannahill
Claudia Tannahill
@Hank Hanrattay hardly working white english folks...is that you Blaine Higgs?
18 hours ago
 
Joe Allaire
Joe Allaire
I see that some are getting bold since The Donald's stunning victory!
17 hours ago
 
Roland Godin
Roland Godin
@Hank Hanrattay
According to some we have the most and best paying jobs remember, but it is ok we own 50% of the company but only collect 32%, nice de moi...eh.
16 hours ago
 
Marc Martin
Marc Martin
@Hank Hanrattay
Donald ?
7 hours ago
 
Marc Martin
Marc Martin
@Roland Godin
I agree Roland, they keep twisted the job issue to their advantage, its pathetic to see.
7 hours ago
 
David Raymond Amos
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David Raymond Amos
@Marc Martin I see that you are to scared to debate in public again today N'esy Pas Frenchie?
4 hours ago 
Lou Bell
Lou Bell
@Roland Godin Wrong !!
4 hours ago
 
Lou Bell
Lou Bell
@Marc Martin NON !!!
4 hours ago


Rick Aubie
Rick Aubie
So sick of Michel Doucet and his overbearing nonsense!
6 hours ago
 
David Raymond Amos
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David Raymond Amos
@Rick Aubie For once you and I agree. Amazing things never cease. N'esy Pas Officer Aubie?
4 hours ago 
Fess Allaire
Fess Allaire
@Rick Aubie ; as I am sure the feeling is mutual.
2 hours ago
 
David Raymond Amos
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David Raymond Amos
@Fess Allaire If you could only read my response to CBC fellow union member. Wowever the minions within CBC always block my comments to their special union buddy Officer Aubie even when I finally agreed with a comment of his.

Go Figure EH Alex Johnston and Hubby Baby Lacroix?
1 hour ago

david herman
david herman
What I don't understand is the majority of 'likes' on any given comment AND article concerning 'bi-lingualism', and 'duality' FAVOUR it NOT being so, so WHY does it continue to fester?
Answer: obviously the provincial AND federal government do NOT listen to the people.
6 hours ago
 
Marc Martin
Marc Martin
@david herman
30 people do not dictate the provincial or Federal laws.
6 hours ago
 
David Raymond Amos
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David Raymond Amos
@Marc Martin Only one does. That person is the English Queen called Elizabeth the Second but I call her Dizzy Lizzy II N'esy Pas Frenchie???
5 hours ago
 
Lou Bell
Lou Bell
@Marc Martin Very same response to Trump supporters. Look what they did !!!
4 hours ago
 
Dennis Colter Pugh
Dennis Colter Pugh
@Marc Martin
But you and others like you think it is ok to "dictate" provincial laws for less than 5% of NB's unilingual French speaking population... Curious!
4 hours ago
 
Marc Martin
Marc Martin
@Lou Bell
You don't watch the news too much eh ? Trump was always only a few points behind Hilary in polls.
4 hours ago
 
Tony Lance
Tony Lance
@Marc Martin Yeah but not in the result of the election, so what is the point of you bringing out the polls they are irrelevant!
2 hours ago
 
Marc Martin
Marc Martin
@Tony Lance
You should read the comments above and then you would understand.
2 hours ago 
David Raymond Amos
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David Raymond Amos
@David Raymond Amos Now that is rather funny that the minions within CBC would block the comment about the Queen to a nasty French bureaucrat N'esy Pas Ms Minister of Heritage Melanie Joly???
2 hours ago
 
David Raymond Amos
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David Raymond Amos
@Marc Martin How can Tony Lance read all the comments above when CBC is blocking the ones I send to their fellow union member? I know Tony can just go to my Twitter account then follow the link to my blog. However all you have to do is read my email to you and your bosses N'esy Pas?
2 hours ago

Joseph Vacher
Joseph Vacher
does that mean the province is no longer going to spend $30,000/y so people can drive their kids to school?
1 day ago
 
Marc Martin
Marc Martin
@Joseph Vacher
Nope, didn't you read, it at the discretion of the school district.
8 hours ago
 
David Raymond Amos
David Raymond Amos
@Marc Martin More Importantly why have you not READ and answered the email I promised you or at least picked up the phone when I called YOU and your bosses?
5 hours ago
 
Marc Martin
Marc Martin
@David Raymond Amos
More conspiracy stories David ? you never called or spoke to my boss lol. Why don't you tell everyone here why your banned from most government office ?
4 hours ago
 
David Raymond Amos
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David Raymond Amos
@Marc Martin Perhaps you should ask you bosses if I am a liar or notAs you well know I just called you again and this time you picked up the phone and admitted to knowing who I was but denied getting my first email I told you to get a lawyer N'esy Pas?
2 hours ago

Alan Mason
Alan Mason
Hmmmm. I attended middle school in Rosemere just outside Montreal Quebec and took a school bus that transported both English and French students and we all got along just fine. I have a hard time understanding why this became an issue in the first place for NB.
17 hours ago
 
Mack Leigh
Mack Leigh
@Alan Mason
Indeed it should not be an issue, however this is not about language and culture. In my opinion this is all about Power and Control and a group of Francophone Elite radicals will not stop until they have it all !!!!!
16 hours ago
 
Marc Martin
Marc Martin
@Alan Mason
When I went to the High school English kids where taking our bus, the kid even went to the same high school, but because of the English parents that requested their own school and bus it changed everything for the province. That year the English highschool St Marys graduated 12 kid....This problem was not created by the French population.
8 hours ago
 
David Raymond Amos
David Raymond Amos
@Marc Martin Yea Right tell me another one
5 hours ago
 
Lou Bell
Lou Bell
@Marc Martin Wrong !!!
4 hours ago
 
Marc Martin
Marc Martin
@David Raymond Amos
Glad you liked it, but this actually happened in the North before it spread all over NB.
4 hours ago
 
Marc Martin
Marc Martin
@Lou Bell

You weren't even here 10 years ago...why do you even comment on these ?
4 hours ago
 
Tony Lance
Tony Lance
@Marc Martin How about some documented proof. That never seem to come to light.
2 hours ago
 
Marc Martin
Marc Martin
@Tony Lance
How about some documented proof how much OB costs ?
2 hours ago
 
David Raymond Amos
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David Raymond Amos
@Marc Martin I you were so happy then why did you lie to me on the phone just now?
2 hours ago

Sharon Buchanan
Sharon Buchanan
* By placing the decision-making back in the hands of districts and parents - it does not clarify the constitutionality, and instead reopens the matter for arguments and resentment.
* It does not address section 4(6) of the New Brunswick Education Act which prohibits the sharing of programs and services
* It re-opens the potential for legal challenge
* Higgs makes a good point in relation to more decision-making by the Districts in regards to Immersion programming
* At the end of the day - it is unlikely districts will share busing on any significant scale, being as new buses were purchased to provide additional and maintain segregation after Serge Rousselle started this
* Regardless of what happens now - the tax payers are still out over 107,000 (plus unknown expenses, and those incurred since our Right to Information Request on costs was received in August) ... and still does not have a definitive answer to this controversial question
16 hours ago
 
Marc Martin
Marc Martin
@Sharon Buchanan
They should have let it go all the way, they opened a can of worm with this one, now some parents are going to sue here and there, it was a pathetic decision to make.
8 hours ago
 
David Raymond Amos
David Raymond Amos
@Marc Martin Did you forget I am already suing the CROWN about a French versus English matter?
5 hours ago
 
Mack Leigh
Mack Leigh
@Marc Martin
Most likely the only parents who will sue will be Francophone since no other minority receives money hand over fist from both the federal and provincial governments !!
Marc Martin
Marc Martin
@David Raymond Amos
Nobody cares about that bud, that is if its true.
4 hours ago
 
Marc Martin
Marc Martin
@Mack Leigh
How much money do we receive pls tell me since you must have access to government finance books.
  • 4 hours ago
David Raymond Amos
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David Raymond Amos
@Marc Martin You know its true I just sent you and your bosses the proof N'esy Pas?
2 hours ago

Tony Lance
Tony Lance
First, I agree under the Constitution there are certain linguistic rights. However over the years people like Rouselle have been pushing for more and more odious claims under the constitution. These pursuits by them have never seriously been challenged, because the opposite position are not organized and cannot get the funding to challenge them. This result shows that they (Serge Rousselle and his so called constitution experts friends) are and have been wrong. They need to be challenged at every stage now. The courts view and comments show this
22 hours ago
 
Mack Leigh
Mack Leigh
@Tony Lance
It is ironic that Heritage Canada in just over 1 year gave 227 million to various francophone groups and interests in this province. Add that to the millions given to the francophone special interest groups by this province and no wonder they are able to afford multiple lawsuits !! All of the taxpayers of this province and country are footing the bill for these bullies !!
21 hours ago
 
Roland Godin
Roland Godin
@Tony Lance
It is 50/50 une, two langues officielles, we could ask for more but we are caring and sharing aren't we nice...eh.
17 hours ago
 
Marc Martin
Marc Martin
@Mack Leigh
Heritage Canada Funds everything that is culture related, they also give funds to the English just 2 years ago they gave over 10 million to the Commonwealth English games in Toronto.
8 hours ago
 
David Raymond Amos
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David Raymond Amos
@Marc Martin Have you talked to the French lawyer from Quebec Melanie Joly lately?.

I got a signed letter from her in July. I sent a copy of it to you byway of an email N'esy Pas Frenchie?
Lou Bell
Lou Bell
@Roland Godin Sorry, NO !!
5 hours ago
 
Mack Leigh
Mack Leigh
@Marc Martin
10 million given to the Commonwealth games which was for the benefit and participation of all Canadians no matter what their language or cultural background is a far, far cry from what the NB Francophones are given in just one year. Nice try at deflection tho !!!!!
4 hours ago
 
Marc Martin
Marc Martin
@Mack Leigh
Name me one festival or any association you cannot participate in ? You wont be able too. Sorry try again.
4 hours ago

Marc Martin
Marc Martin
Thanks God they reversed the situation, couldn't stand the whiners anymore. The fact is its the English parent in Northern NB who asked for they own school and busing systems years ago...
8 hours ago
 
David Raymond Amos
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David Raymond Amos
@Marc Martin YOU are the one doing all the whining
5 hours ago
 
Lou Bell
Lou Bell
@Marc Martin Irrelevant !
5 hours ago
 
Dennis Colter Pugh
Dennis Colter Pugh
@Marc Martin
In which I agree with you on this point... it is ridiculous.
4 hours ago
 
Marc Martin
Marc Martin
@Lou Bell
Why do you even comment here your not even from NB ?
4 hours ago
 
Tony Lance
Tony Lance
@Marc Martin What is wrong with him speaking his view.
3 hours ago
 
Marc Martin
Marc Martin
@Tony Lance
Do you go commenting on another provinces daily news ?
2 hours ago

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