Methinks if Northrup continues to ignore my email and buy Cardy et al enough butter tarts Higgy may appoint him deputy premier to replace Gauvin Nesy Pas?
N.B. premier cancels controversial plan to close rural ERs overnight
'I can't in good conscience move forward' without consultations, says Blaine Higgs
CBC News · Posted: Feb 16, 2020 8:02 PM AT
Protests were held outside some of the affected hospitals earlier this week, including the Sussex Health Centre, pictured above. (Graham Thompson/CBC)
New Brunswick Premier Blaine Higgs has announced he's backing
away from the controversial plan to close six emergency departments
between midnight and 8 a.m. in a month's time.
Higgs issued
a news release shortly before 8 p.m. Sunday. He said hours will not be
reduced at the hospitals in Sussex, Sackville, Sainte-Anne-de-Kent,
Caraquet, Grand Falls and Perth-Andover.
"We have experienced a
multitude of reactions and genuine concerns to the regional health
authorities' reform plan," he said in the statement.
"I can't in good conscience move forward without addressing the concerns and fears that have been brought to light."
Higgs released a statement Sunday evening following days of criticism about the proposed health-care reforms. (CBC News)
The Progressive Conservative minority government announced the
contentious health-care reforms on Tuesday, sparking angry protests,
political divide and talk of an early provincial election.
The changes were scheduled to go into effect March 11. Now Higgs said there will be further consultations in April and May.
"I
will personally visit these communities to initiate the process to
ensure that we hear from community leaders, the people delivering care
and concerned citizens," his statement said.
There will be a
"health-care summit" in June to discuss a long-term strategy for the
system and the challenges in rural communities, Higgs went on to say. He
committed to releasing the findings of both the summit and the
community meetings sometime this fall.
In
a news conference on Friday Higgs called the changes "necessary" and
that "no responsible government would be able to avoid them."
Sussex-Fundy-St.
Martins PC MLA Bruce Northrup, who said he wouldn't be able to support
the plan to cut nursing home hours, described the cancelling of the cuts
as "pushing the pause button."
"We have to talk to the
stakeholders, we have to talk to the doctors, the administrative staff,
the nurse practitioners and everybody involved in this situation," said
Northrup.
The Premier has done the right thing in cancelling the drastic changes planned for the six hospitals. My caucus colleagues and I look forward to contributing our ideas for much needed health care reforms that work for all New Brunswickers. https://www2.gnb.ca/content/gnb/en/news/news_release.2020.02.0065.html …
"You've heard from the ambulance people that you know they're
razor thin and they're not ready for this change. The nurses aren't
ready for this change."
In a tweet, Green Party leader David Coon said the premier has "done the right thing."
Perth-Andover
Mayor Marianne Bell said she spoke to the premier this afternoon about
the changes and is ecstatic to hear they're not going forward.
"I don't exactly know what tipped them over but I am so, so pleased," said Bell.
Perth-Andover Mayor Marianne Bell said she was ecstatic to hear of the change in the government's plans. (Shane/Fowler)
While the proposed changes haven't been taken off the table
entirely, Bell said she welcomes public consultations on the future of
New Brunswick's health care system.
"We want change," said Bell.
"We
want improvement. I am delighted that he is saying that he is going to
come around and talk to us, talk to the people delivering the care, talk
to the people in the local area. This is exactly what we want."
The
province had also been proposing to convert acute-care beds to
long-term care beds in response to a shortage of staff and beds.The rationale was that cutting overnight ER hours at the six hospitals would free up more doctors to work during the day, when demand for service is higher.
Opposition to the proposed health reforms was swift.
Hundreds of protesters stood outside the hospital emergency room in Sussex
on Tuesday, ringing bells, waving bright orange signs and chanting
"rural lives matter." A similar angry crowd gathered in Caraquet as the
changes were announced.
On Friday, MLA Robert Gauvin resigned as deputy premier and said he would sit as an independent MLA, calling the changes an "attack on rural New Brunswick."
An aging demographic coupled with a growing labour force shortage is hampering our ability to provide the right care, in the right place, at the right time.
But we need people in this province to be part of the solution & that must start with hearing from the people most impacted
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David Amos Methinks if Northrup
were continue to ignore the email I sent him and buy Cardy and his
buddies enough butter tarts Higgy might give him a raise in standing in
the party by appointing him deputy premier to replace Gauvin Nesy Pas?
David Amos
YEA RIGHT Methinks Higgy and his cohorts heard about my phone calls and read my email N'esy Pas?
"Perth-Andover Mayor Marianne Bell said she spoke to the premier this
afternoon about the changes and is ecstatic to hear they're not going
forward.
"I don't exactly know what tipped them over but I am so, so pleased," said Bell."
Michael Levesque
Reply to @David Amos: hey amos what political party did you run for? you did not answer my question from last week!
David Amos
Reply to @michael levesque: Methinks you are being a little redundant N'esy Pas?
David Amos
Reply to @David Amos:
Methinks Mayor Bell and Higgy were upset by my email the had the
following words for a subject line N'esy Pas?
"YO Mr Higgs Re My right to MEDICARE and NO MORE false
imprisonment Just as I get another bill from Vitalité I hear Horizon
want the RCMP to arrest me AGAIN TRUE or FALSE???"
Michael Levesque Reply to @David Amos: wow amos you must be some powerful person for the premier to take you calls and read your emails!.
Vernon
McPhee
Reply to @michael levesque: He's a legend in his own mind.
David Amos
Reply to @michael
levesque: Methinks you would have enjoyed watching me argue him in
person in front of all his buddies after I debated his pal Rob Moore
N'esy Pas?
David Amos
Reply to @Vernon
McPhee: Methinks you have no clue as to who I am but trust that Higgy
would understand why I am enjoying your nonsense N'esy Pas?
Pamela Voisine It
is very easy to say close the hospitals let the people travel over an
hour to get help if your hospital is just around the corner. Yes the
health care system is a mess, yes there needs to be cuts. The hospital
system in New Brunswick is full of bureaucrats. Twelve Vice Presidents
really? Two completely different systems on French one English. We have a
population of less than a million ! Don’t cut my service cut the amount
of bureaucrats
Johnny Horton
Reply to @Pamela Voisine:
Mine is over an hour away.
David Amos
Reply to @Johnny Horton: If so then how can Sussex be your "Hub" as you claimed???
Johnny Horton Reply to @David Amos:
Easily. Middle of nowhere. Our road is not plowed by the province.
Johnny Horton
Reply to @David Amos:
There’s actually a lot of places in the Sussex basin that are over 45m from Sussex,
David Amos
Reply to @Johnny Horton: Yea Right
Ben Haroldson Mr Gauvin needs a big thanks on that one.
David Amos
Reply to @Ben Haroldson: Methinks you are easily fooled if you think Gauvin acts for anyone's benefit but his own N'esy Pas?
Ben Haroldson Frank Mckenna would be proud.
Danny Devo
Reply to @Ben Haroldson: McKenna who.
David Amos
Reply to @Danny Devo: The dude who orchestrated this circus byway of Alaina Lockhart in Sussex
David Amos
Reply to @Ben
Haroldson: Methinks that I should disclose a bit of a a conversation
with Northrup when he and I were running in the provincial election in
2006. Mckenna's buddy Alan Graham's bouncing baby boy stopped Bernie
Lord's bid for hat trick yet the longstanding liberal Leroy Armstrong in
McKenna's hometown was defeated (Go figure why Leroy ran for the PANB
against Northrup later),
Anyway I told Northrup that I was confused because as far as I knew he
was a well known liberal who had just turned coat and I was curious as
to why. He told me a little tale about McKenna picking Armstrong instead
of him to be a candiadte years before and he was still bitter about it.
So i gave him a pile of my documents and the same CD i give all the
cops etc and told him to watch me have fun dicing with Armstrong and
MeKenna. Trust that I certainly did. Furthermore not only am I not smart
enough to make this story up but the proof of what I say is true can
still be found on the Internet if you know where to look N'esy Pas?
Marguerite Deschamps
Just
imagine the damage this elusive Higgs Boson government would have done
if he had a majority. He caved in because he knows he would have gotten
thrashed if he called an election.
David Amos
Reply to @Marguerite Deschamps: Methinks it kinda comical that you SANB dudes and I agree sometimes N'esy Pas?
Michael Levesque
Reply to @David Amos: hey amos what political party did you run for you did not answer my question from last week!
David Amos
Reply to @michael levesque: I did answer you
I repeat I ran as an Independent 7 times thus far.
If you don't believe me ask Higgy or his buddies Rob Moore and Bruce Northrup
Mo Bennett
$39.95 says they will re-open real quick if one of Higgs family members gets sick.
David Amos
Reply to @mo bennett: YOU MO Methinks you should get some coffee and read the news again real slow N'esy Pas?
Mo Bennett hire a reformacon, it's always fun to watch 'em wreck the place.
David Amos
Content disabled
Reply to @mo bennett: YO MO Welcome back to the circus
Methinks Higgy must recall what his buddy Krissy Baby Austin must recall what he and the other talking talking heads were saying on CBC before he got elected nearly 10 years ago N'esy Pas?
Folks
should wonder why no link is offered to the Political Panel Podcast.
Methinks its because Teddy told Megan that folks in Sackville should go
to Nova Scotia for emergency care when their hospital is closed N'esy
Pas?
Health minister hints at more advanced-care paramedics
Ted Flemming defends new health-care reforms on Political Panel podcast
CBC News · Posted: Feb 16, 2020 8:00 AM AT
New Brunswick Health Minister Ted Flemming says the province is looking
at adding more advanced-care paramedics in New Brunswick. (CBC)
New Brunswick's health minister says the province wants to
bring in more advanced-care paramedics as it and the two health
authorities restructure services and staff in several rural hospitals.
"Advanced-care paramedics are part of the ongoing, forward movement here," Ted Flemming said.
The
recent announcement that the province will be cutting overnight
emergency room services in six hospitals unleashed a wave of anxiety and
anger from residents concerned with timely access to emergency care.
The service gap, which starts March 11, also troubles many MLAs, including the leader of the PC-friendly People's Alliance.
Speaking
on the CBC New Brunswick Political Panel, Kris Austin said he's
concerned about extending the distance to emergency rooms for some New
Brunswickers.
Austin, an ambulance service hawk, questioned how
the extra distance will impact an already strained ambulance-service
provider.
People's Alliance Leader Kris Austin says he wants to see
more paramedics, including more advanced-care paramedics, added
following the emergency room service cuts. (CBC)
He wants the province to hire more advanced-care paramedics —
"emergency rooms on wheels," as he put it — and increase the number of
paramedics in the affected areas.
There are 70 primary-care paramedics in the province who have advanced-care training but aren't able to use all of their skills.
"That's absolutely ridiculous, even without this announcement, but when you add this announcement to it," Austin said.
"If
you're going to close those emergency rooms, you have to ensure that
paramedics are going to get there not 45 minutes later but in a
reasonable amount of time."
Flemming, who was also on the panel, agreed with Austin.
"They
need to be practising to their scope of practice. We're in the process
of doing that now and transitioning into that as part of this."
But that was about the extent of common ground the four panellists found.
Changes are 'unacceptable,' Liberal says
Unacceptable,
disingenuous and ridiculous were among the terms used by opposition
MLAs criticizing the provincial government and the two health
authorities' response to a shortage of doctors and nurses.
Flemming
said he wasn't surprised by the adverse reaction many had to the
reforms, which will also see 120 acute-care beds at the hospitals
converted into long-term-care beds.
The decision sparked
protests and political strife — even within the governing Progressive
Conservative party — that may lead to a snap election.
Health Minister Ted Flemming announced the health-care changes during a press conference Tuesday morning. (CBC)
Facing the panellists from the opposition parties, Flemming balked at the Liberal pledge to reinstate 24-hour service.
Liberal
MLA J.C. D'Amours said the service cuts were "unacceptable" and put
people's lives at risk. He said it's one thing for the opposition to be
critical, but there are "medical people who are saying it makes no
sense, even those who are living in these areas."
The
Edmundston-Madawaska Centre MLA said the province needs to do a better
job of training and retaining health-care professionals.
But
when asked how the Liberals would address the issue, D'Amours was light
on specifics, saying they would keep the ERs open and hire more nurse
practitioners — the latter being something the PCs are in the process of doing.
Flemming said the changes are "a necessity."
"You can't reinstate a lack of people, a lack of human resources," he told the panel.
Staffing shortages
Fleming
said 35 per cent of physicians and 40 per cent of both nurses and lab
technicians will reach retirement age within the next five years.
Staffing shortages led to 23 service interruptions at New Brunswick
hospitals last year.
It was announced Thursday a doctor shortage forced the Sackville Memorial Hospital emergency room to close from 4 p.m. Friday to 8 a.m. Saturday.
The
reforms, which start March 11, are an attempt to cope with staffing
shortages plaguing the provincial health-care system. Closing the
emergency rooms from midnight to 8 a.m. will allow doctors and new nurse
practitioners to see more patients in the daytime, the province has
said.
The affected ERs saw an average of five visits a night,
and most of them were not emergencies, according to the two health
authorities.
Lack of consultation
D'Amours was joined
by Green MLA Megan Mitton in saying the government failed to properly
consult — or even attempt to consult — other MLAs, health-care
professionals and the public.
Mitton, who described the ER cuts
as an attack on rural communities, said the PCs should have struck an
all-party legislative committee to investigate the proposal and offer
input.
The Memramcook-Tantramar MLA, who represents Sackville,
one of the affected communities, said the reforms were not raised by
Horizon officials during recent consultations with the town about the
future of health-care in the community.
Green MLA Megan Mitton says the government did not properly consult the public before announcing the health-care reforms. (CBC)
Mitton said the talks were "disingenuous."
"I
think it's important that when there are decisions being made about our
communities, about our health-care and about our hospitals that we are
part of the conversation," Mitton said.
The six hospitals
affected are the Sussex Health Centre, the Sackville Memorial Hospital,
Hotel-Dieu of St. Joseph in Perth-Andover, Stella-Maris-de-Kent Hospital
in Sainte-Anne-de-Kent, Enfant-Jésus Hospital in Caraquet and the Grand
Falls General Hospital.
The health authorities will also increase addiction and mental health services in those facilities.
David Amos Methinks
many would agree that Higgy and his cohorts were upset by my email that
had the following words for a subject line N'esy Pas?
"YO Mr Higgs Re My right to MEDICARE and NO MORE false
imprisonment Just as I get another bill from Vitalité I hear Horizon
want the RCMP to arrest me AGAIN TRUE or FALSE???"
David Amos
Methinks there is no need for the folks to protest now N'esy Pas?
Premier’s statement: March 11 overnight emergency department closures cancelled to allow for community consultations
16 February 2020
FREDERICTON (GNB) – The following statement was issued today by Premier
Blaine Higgs regarding changes to the previously announced overnight
emergency department closures:
Over the course of the past week, we have experienced a multitude of
reactions and genuine concerns to the regional health authorities’
reform plan.
Most New Brunswickers understand and agree that we have a crisis in
health care in this province, however we don’t have clarity about what’s
required to address it.
I am concerned by the number of gaps in the health system that have been
identified as the days have rolled on. The current state is not
acceptable. I believed that before; I believe it even more today. New
Brunswickers deserve better.
I recognize that people in rural New Brunswick face unique challenges
and come to the table with a unique perspective. With that in mind the
regional health authorities have agreed not to proceed with the
implementation date of March 11 for the reform plans. This means they
will not proceed with the reduction of hours in emergency departments in
Sussex, Sackville, Sainte-Anne-de-Kent, Caraquet, Grand Falls and
Perth-Andover.
I can’t in good conscience move forward without addressing the concerns and fears that have been brought to light
David Amos
Reply to @David Amos:
That’s why I will personally visit these communities to initiate the
process to ensure that we hear from community leaders, the people
delivering care and concerned citizens.
We will conduct these meetings in April and May.
Our government will also hold a health-care summit in June with the goal
of developing a strategy to ensure a sustainable and reliable public
health-care system for the future. This must also address the
challenges faced in rural communities. We will release findings from the
community meetings and the summit in the fall.
I have said time and time again that we are on a mission to save New
Brunswick, and that includes tackling the crisis in health care. An
aging demographic coupled with a growing labour force shortage is
hampering our ability to provide the right care, in the right place, at
the right time.
But we need people in this province to be part of the solution and that must start with hearing from the people most impacted.
16-02-20
MEDIA CONTACT:
Nicolle Carlin, communications, Office of the Premier
David Amos
Folks
should wonder why no link is offered to the Political Panel Podcast.
Methinks its because Teddy told Megan that folks in Sackville should go
to Nova Scotia for emergency care when their hospital is closed N'esy
Pas?
SarahRose
Werner
Reply to @David Amos:
No, it's because the link isn't available yet. The latest podcast
available on the Political Panel Podcast page (with the pickled peppers)
is from February 6.
David Amos
Reply to @SarahRose
Werner: DUHHH??? Try tellin me something I don't know FYI I heard a
portion of it last week and have been waiting for it to be uploaded ever
since in order to prove what I said is true
Michael Durant "I
think it's important that when there are decisions being made about our
communities, about our health-care and about our hospitals that we are
part of the conversation," Mitton said.
Perhaps so but when legionnaires disease was running around Moncton last
year the medical officer there decided on his own it was not in the
public's interest to inform people. Its the way things are done now in
this province. A familiar refrain.
David Amos
Reply to @Michael
durant: If what she says were remotely true then methinks I should have
the right to stress test her ethics in public and ask my cousin Madame
Mitton why she don't call and why she don't write N'esy Pas?
Paul
Bourgoin Green
MLA Megan Mitton says the government did not properly consult the
public before announcing the health-care reforms. What they did do was
to follow the multi Parties Politically drafted Instructions from the
Conservatives, and the Alliance!
David Amos
Reply to @Paul
Bourgoin: Methinks all the MLA are too Fat Dumb and Happy to bother
upsetting the applecart of Higgy's minority mandate The only clever one
is Jean Gauvin's bouncing baby boy and he could become the next PC
leader N'esy Pas?
Donald Gallant Young Doctors present day are of the Gen X & Y. Millennials.
Now 30- 40 Years of age .
This is a new breed of Dr. who demand balance and collaborate and don’t usually become workaholic as much as those previously.
Good luck trying to keep 24 ER’s open 24/7 going forward.
But Vickers and Mrcoon will make us believe it can be so.
Christopher Harborne
Reply to @Donald
Gallant: For the closure at the Sackville hospital, they are laying off
nurses, not even trying to transfer them to either Moncton hospital.
Sure sounds like the govt is concerned about staffing shortages.....
SarahRose Werner
Reply to @Donald
Gallant: The old country doctor of yore was supported by the labour of
the old country doctor's wife of yore. She kept the home going while he
was out on calls at all hours of the night and day. But she doesn't
exist anymore, hasn't for some time now. Doctors are finally changing
their work habits to reflect that.
David Amos
Reply to @Donald Gallant: Apparently you are wrong
Chuck Michaels
Was
any thought given to the "Collaborative Care" modeled in NS? Where
R.N.s (or now even N.P.s) along with a Paramedic staff the ER in the
off-hours? They assess and treat/release lower acuity cases and can
consult with on-line physician oversight as required. They can make
appointment-based referrals for Primary Care the next day or (when
necessary) summon an ambulance to transfer to definitive care.
SarahRose
Werner
Reply to @Chuck
Michaels: Summoning the ambulance to definitive care seems to be one of
the sticking points. I don't know what the ambulance service is like in
NS, but here people don't have confidence in it. Also, anyone who
comes to the ER at night with an issue that can be resolved by a
referral to primary care the next day probably shouldn't have come to
the ER at night in the first place. They could have waited until
morning.
Chuck Michaels
Reply to @SarahRose
Werner: They could have not come in - yes, but some things can be
stabilized or "fixed" at a Collaborative Care (as I think they call
them) that may not require further immediate intervention. There is
better use of the ambulances as well if the Nurse/medic team have
assessed a patient before making a call - as opposed to a panicked call
from a dark parking lot with a "closed" sign. The people who could have
waited until morning will still show up - and still call ambulances -
and still congest Emergency Rooms in any hospital (at all hours) - no
matter what.
SarahRose
Werner
Reply to @Chuck
Michaels: "The people who could have waited until morning will still
show up" - Not sure I agree with you on this point. I've been in two
situations in which I considered going to the ER at night due to severe
abdominal pain (strong enough that I couldn't stand up straight). In
both cases I decided to "watch and wait" instead specifically because I
would have to call a cab to get to the ER four miles away. The fact
that the "in town" ER is closed at night affected my decision on whether
to head for the ER pronto or "watch and wait."
Chuck Michaels
Reply to @SarahRose
Werner: Severe abdominal pain, chest pain or breathing problems are ALL
"go to the ER *NOW* " in my books. It is the "my little toe has been
hurting for two weeks now..." that don't belong and that clog up the
system. There are walk-in clinics or (for those fortunate enough)
family doctors / NPs.... Sadly, some of these same toe-itis folk will
also call ambulances at 2 am and deprive a legitimate patient with the
aforementioned severe abdominal pain, chest pain or breathing problems
of an ambulance.
David Amos
Reply to @Chuck Michaels: What a difference a day makes EH?
Chantal
LeBouthi
NB will get 2.1 billions from the federal starting in April
SarahRose Werner
Reply to @Chantal
LeBouthi: You mean in transfer payments? We get them every year. They
go to address existing expenses. This isn't "new" money and it doesn't
mean we have extra to spend.
Chantal LeBouthi
Reply to @SarahRose Werner:
Incompetent governance from conservatives and liberals during the past two decades have put NB where it is
SarahRose Werner
Reply to @Chantal
LeBouthi: Agreed, but the fact still is that getting this year's
transfer payments aren't, in and of themselves, going to solve anything.
Larry Larson
Reply to @Chantal LeBouthi: The past 6 decades at least!
David Amos
Reply to @Chantal
LeBouthi: Methinks Vickers and his crew hope to enjoy squandering it
after the dust settles over the very pending election N'esy Pas?
Fred Brewer Reply
to @Larry Larson: Yes Larry I believe you are correct. I think if you
go back more than 6 decades you will find that back then, the empire did
not exist or at least not in a form where they could call all the
shots. Our province has been destroyed for the sake of corporate greed
in my opinion.
David Amos
Reply to @Larry Larson: FYI the email you sought to see has been published within my blog
Ian Scott
NBMS
certainly seems to be sitting on the sidelines this time, letting
Flemming do what he does.Payback I guess for his earlier contempt for
docs.
Either way its a difficult issue as staffing issues become more acute
with each year as the medical cohorts age.Its been talked about for
years . Technology has helped for some things hindered others as things
get more complex to treat. Population cohort aging ahead of any
meaningful preparation for nursing beds and staff adding to the pile.
Only so much can be done unless a provincial budget blows past 50% of
all dollars spent on healthcare. Feds per usual somewhat to blame as
they cut the funding transfers as well. Some of that due to lack of
control processes to see that health funding went to health and not
general budgets as in this place.Even with that, millions come from
private donations , and we still come up short.
David Amos
Reply to @Ian Scott:
Methinks many doctors would agree that everything political is always
about the money and that their consultants no how to play the wicked
game very well N'esy Pas?
Terry
Tibbs
I
*must* be mistaken? Wasn't it just a short time ago there was a
shortage of bilingual paramedics that simply couldn't be rectified?
Maybe our health minister is simply misinformed?
It's time for this gong show to end.
David Amos
Reply to @Terry
Tibbs: Methinks many folks would agree that the circus is getting more
entertaining with each passing day. Furthermore "The Powers That Be" in
NB are well aware that come Monday morning many folks have protests
planned all over New Brunswick in order to have a little fun with their
MLA on "Family Day" N'esy Pas?
David Amos Reply to @Terry Tibbs: In a comment section that just closed I had said
"I am just a poor old dude they call crazy but I still am concerned
about the well being of the young ones among us and it begins with
keeping them breathing byway of NOT closing emergency rooms"
Later you asked me this
"The building is there, the lights and heat/cool is on, there are
patient beds in the building with patients in them requiring 24 hour
care.
Tell me please, exactly what is the extra cost?
BE HONEST! "
So how was my comment NOT HONEST???
Kyle Woodman How about stop hinting at stuff and tell us what the plan is. Is there a plan?
Terry Tibbs
Reply to @Kyle Woodman:
No plan, just BS.
Kyle Woodman
Reply to @Terry Tibbs: clearly.
Dan Lee
Reply to @Kyle Woodman:
I dont get it.....one minute there is no money for health care....next minute he wants to hire more
Kyle Woodman
Reply to @Dan Lee: It's almost as though they have no idea what they're doing.
David Amos
Reply to @Dan Lee: Methinks I may have been correct after all N'esy Pas?
MLA Robert Gauvin considers retirement from politics
Decision on future will be made in a few weeks
CBC News · Posted: Feb 16, 2020 1:51 PM AT
David Amos Content disabled
Reply to @Kyle Woodman: Welcome to the circus Methinks you want to be the star of the show N'esy Pas?
Please do tell which of the 3 common Hollywood type expressions that I
often use that you have employed in the last day or so applies as a
response to your comment about Teddy's plan?
"Surprise Surprise Surprise" "Surely You Jest" or "Cry Me a River"
What the heck lets ask your fans
Survey Says???
David Amos Reply to @Kyle Woodman: Welcome to the circus Methinks you want to be the star of the show N'esy Pas?
Please do tell which of the 3 common Hollywood type expressions that I
often use that you have employed in the last day or so applies as a
response to your comment about Teddy's plan?
"Surprise Surprise Surprise" "Surely You Jest" or "Cry Me a River"
What the heck lets ask your fans
Survey Says???
Kyle Woodman Reply to @David Amos You're welcome.
Adrian Baerlocher
Wow,
hinting at hiring more paramedics after making these cuts. Lucky us.
The ERs close in 3 weeks. The lack of consultation is starting to show.
Laying off nurses while talking about staffing shortages. I’m being
spammed with Horizon ads pushing these changes. What a waste of time and
money. We’re going to waste even more money undoing these reckless
changes. Pathetic.
Terry
Tibbs
Reply to @Adrian Baerlocher:
This is what I call "pathetic".
The building is there, the lights and heat/cool is on, there are patient
beds in the building with patients in them requiring 24 hour care.
Tell me please, exactly what is the extra cost?
SarahRose Werner
Reply to @Terry
Tibbs: If you just wanted to have a room with chairs where emergency
patients could wait until staff shows up in the morning, that would be
pretty cheap. But if you want to hire doctors with ER training,
additional nurses who aren't already busy looking after inpatients,
technical staff to run x-rays, CT scans, etc - all of that costs money.
Is it worth it to pay all those staff members to sit around all night
waiting for 1-2 emergency cases to show up?
Ian Scott
Reply to @Adrian Baerlocher: who said anything about laying off nurses?
Adrian Baerlocher
Reply to @Ian Scott:
Nurses in Sackville and Sussex have apparently received layoff notices,
presumably they have at the other hospitals as well. Apparently up to 50
just on the Horizon side.
Terry
Tibbs
Reply to @SarahRose Werner:
These small hospitals are not hiring ER doctors now, local GPs take
turns at covering the ER and the patients in the beds. Nurses cover the
floor. There might, or might not be technical staff overnight now, why
add, or complicate matters?
They intend on closing the labs anyway citing shortage of trained staff.
As our clueless government wishes to point out there are maybe 5
patients showing up most nights, nothing the existing staff likely
can,and do, handle.
David Amos
Reply to @Adrian Baerlocher: Please say it ain't so
David Amos
Reply to @Terry
Tibbs: Methinks should consider Teddy's advice and move to Nova Scotia
this summer Hopefully I would finally get a Medicare Card that I could
use in hospitals with better services N'esy Pas?
Terry
Tibbs Reply to @David Amos:
I'm not sure it is any better in NS. They seem to have the same disease
as NB, jam the hospitals full of friends and relatives, then claim there
is no money to hire medical professionals.
But once you have a NS health card it will work here if you are
"visiting", just don't call the horizontal taxi (ambulance), they charge
full pop ($500+) to foreigners.
David
Sampson
The
decision by health authorities to walk out of a meeting in Perth
Andover is troubling. Clearly the mayor has a right, indeed a duty, to
be at the meeting and yet bureaucrats claim it an “ invitation only “
meeting so when community members, including the mayor showed up they
simply left. The Premier may want to claim otherwise but those in rural
NB particularly along the French shore know exactly what his motives
are!
Ian Scott
Reply to @David
Sampson: You know exactly what kind of a morass it would turn into with a
whole bunch of peopel screaming and yelling and occupying the rooms for
the media and nothing getting talked about.
David Sampson
Reply to @Ian Scott:
Don't disagree with you Ian but don't you think it's rather basic to invite the mayor!!!!!!!!!!
David Amos
Reply to @David Sampson: The Mayor was invited but they stood her up
Perth-Andover mayor unimpressed after Horizon cancels meeting over safety concerns
Invitation-only meeting for 25 community leaders cancelled after 150 people showed up
Jordan Gill · CBC News · Posted: Feb 15, 2020 6:04 PM AT
Perth-Andover Mayor Marianne Bell wants some answers after Horizon Health officials cancelled a meeting on Friday. (Shane/Fowler)
While Horizon Health says a meeting at Perth-Andover's
Hotel-Dieu of St. Joseph was cancelled on Friday due to safety concerns,
Perth-Andover Mayor Marianne Bell says those concerns were unfounded.
Bell said she is "not impressed" with what happened.
The hospital is one of the six scheduled for a cut in emergency room hours
Horizon
Health said the meeting was meant as an invitation-only affair
featuring 25 community leaders, but said 150 people showed up.
"The
RCMP were called to the hospital, and it was not a safe environment to
conduct the meeting as planned," Kris McDavid, a spokesperson for
Horizon Health, said in an email.
"We regret not being able to meet with community leaders to discuss health reform."
But Bell doesn't understand why Horizon thought there was a safety issue.
"There was nothing dangerous going on," said Bell.
"People
were in chairs and standing and talking … I still don't know why they
didn't come out and bring those of us who they had invited into a
meeting like we had been invited to."
Hotel-Dieu of St. Joseph will have its emergency room hours cut under a provincial plan. (CBC)
Bell said she was invited by the regional health authority, but was never told the meeting was cancelled.
"I didn't know the meeting was cancelled," said Bell. "I just knew that somebody said they saw them going out the back door."
'Facing a crisis'
Criticism
has been lobbed at the government and the province's two health
authorities since the move to reduce hours was announced on Tuesday.
The
Liberals have threatened to try to bring down the government over the
plans, while Premier Blane Higgs is facing opposition within his own
party. One MLA, Bruce Northrup, said he can't support the plan and
another, Robert Gauvin, decided to leave the party and sit as an
Independent.
Health Minister Ted Flemming announced the health-care changes during a press conference Tuesday morning. (CBC)
"It should come as no surprise to
anyone in this province, that our health-care system, is facing a
crisis," said Health Minister Ted Flemming. "That status quo is simply
not acceptable because the status quo leads to deterioration."
The affected hospitals will now close between midnight and 8 a.m., and stop accepting patients after 10 p.m.
Other hospitals affected are:
Sussex Health Centre.
Sackville Memorial Hospital, where surgical services will also close and be shifted to Moncton.
Stella-Maris-de-Kent Hospital in Sainte-Anne-de-Kent.
Enfant-Jésus Hospital in Caraquet.
Grand Falls General Hospital.
Bell
thinks cancelling the meeting had less to do with safety and more to do
with difficulty selling the plan to reduce emergency room hours.
"They
might be saying the security thing, but I think they just don't have
the support in place to put this plan forward," said Bell. "I think
they've got to start thinking about putting the brakes on it and coming
up with a better plan."
Radio silence
Bell said she still is waiting to hear back from Horizon Health.
"If
I don't meet with somebody when I invited them I would send them an
apology and I would set up a new time to meet," said Bell.
"But
it seems to me they don't want to meet with us because they don't have a
rationale, a logical rationale, for these decisions."
Bell said
the next step for the community is holding a rally, along with the
other five affected communities, against the changes on Monday.
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David Amos Well
another day has past and the Mayor did not call and her friends did not
write so I gave somebody on her Town Council a call Methinks we got
along ok until he got bored with my concerns hence I doubt that he will
never answer in writing or make a complaint against me to the RCMP
either N'esy Pas?
David Amos
Methinks Kris McDavid should explain to me and the RCMP real slow what Horizon Health has been saying about me N'esy Pas?
David Amos
Methinks
somebody should ask the Mayor why I was not worth talking to last week
Perhaps its because her buddy Flemming won't take the "Stay" off my
Medicare Card N'esy Pas?
Larry
Larson
Reply to @David Amos: What does "Stay" on your card mean?
David Amos
Reply to @Larry
Larson: It Means No Medicare for me Hence I been having to pay the
emergency rooms and the doctors for my visits as they check to see what
is wrong with my old ticker
David Amos
Reply to @David Amos:
Methinks it should have been of interest to some folks if they bothered
to check this Mayor's biography they would have noticed that she brags
of being married to Dr. David Bell Hence she should know everything from
the inside out of the gate N'esy Pas?
Larry
Larson
Reply to @David Amos: How can that be legal? Assuming you are a Canadian citizen who has lived in NB for at least 3 months.
David Amos
Reply to @Larry
Larson: Why else would I be preparing to sue the government again? You
do know that I ran in 7 elections thus far?
Randy McNally Karen (backdoor) McGrath
David Amos
Reply to @Randy McNally: Oh My My
Paul Bourgoin After
all these years I finally learned that hospital Doors will only open
when Hospital management decides or tolerates the doors to open.
Residents health priority is a backseat decision. Something similar to
the practice first come First served. MY! MY! New Brunswick has sourly
evolved, money before Human Life ! GO! HIGGS GO!
David Amos
Reply to @Paul Bourgoin: Cry me a river
Guy Richard Anybody got the sell phone video?
David Amos
Reply to @Guy Richard: Now thats funny
Chuck Gendron Also the Liberal MLA Andrew Harvey was in on it also as well as the Mayor, It is fear mongering and playing politics.
David Amos Comment section closed as I sent it Reply to @Chuck Gendron: Of that I have no doubt
Chantal LeBouthi Cuts services to St. John hospital or Moncton hospitals And see what the reaction would be like.
David Amos
Reply to @Chantal LeBouthi: BINGO
David Amos
Reply to @Chantal LeBouthi: However don't forget Fat Fred City
Mary
MacKenzie What kind of person goes to a meeting they were specifically not invited to?
Larry Larson
Reply to @Mary
MacKenzie: Why were only specially selected "community leaders" the only
people invited to a meeting about public hospital closures?
Beverley Kernan
Reply to @Larry Larson:
Perhaps to facilitate rational discussion of facts. "Community leaders"
are in those positions because they 'care' for their communities and
have public support (usually).
David Peters
Reply to @Larry Larson:
Is an angry mob going to listen to a lengthy explanation of dolling out
healthcare resources to an area the size of a province?
Would you want to be the one trying to explain this, in that kind of
atmosphere, assuming you had a logical solution to the problem?
David Amos
Reply to @Mary MacKenzie: She claims she was invited
"Bell said she was invited by the regional health authority, but was never told the meeting was cancelled.
"I didn't know the meeting was cancelled," said Bell. "I just knew that somebody said they saw them going out the back door."
Ian Scott Pretty
hard to talk and get some info disseminated or hear concerns if you are
going to have 150 screaming clowns outside or interrupting everything.
Chantal LeBouthi
Reply to @Ian Scott:
They were not what are you talking about
David Amos
Reply to @Ian Scott: Methinks everybody knows that the clowns make the circus thoroughly entertaining for all N'esy Pas?
Larry
Larson
Why
is it that Conservatives always call the police when citizens (voters)
gather to talk to them? What are they so afraid of that they cannot
face their fellow citizens?
Marguerite
Deschamps
Reply to @Larry Larson: chicken!
David Amos
Reply to @Marguerite
Deschamps: Methinks I can think of a few liberals who are far too
chicken to use their real names as they offer their two bits worth in
this circus N'esy Pas?
David
Peters
Reply to @David Amos:
Why was it that Samuel Langhorne Clemens went by Mark Twain?
To write political letters. Considering the mob-like nature of politics...it makes sense.
David Amos
Reply to @David
Peters: Why should I care chicken little liberals in light of the fact
that the RCMP and the FBI know that I was never afraid of the mob or
anyone else?
Council Members Mayor – Marianne Bell Deputy Mayor – Sheila Cummings
Councilors: Jason Green Paul Kinney Cindy McLaughlin Dave Hoyt
Marianne Bell
Originally from Southern Ontario, Marianne Moved to Perth-Andover
from Halifax in 1993 with her husband, Dr. David Bell. Their two
children, Victoria and Owen, were born and raised in Perth-Andover.
Marianne serves as Chair of the Carleton Victoria Community
Vocational Board, conductor of Perth-Andover Community Choir, member of
the board of the Rotary Club of Perth-Andover, founder/facilitator of
Perth-Andover Book Club, and in numerous capacities at her church. She
has worked and volunteered in adult education and taught English at
Southern Victoria High School for 5 years. She has a B.A. (English
Literature) from the University of Western Ontario, an M.A. (English)
from the University of Toronto, an M.Ed. (Adult Education) from
Dalhousie University, and a B.Sc. (Secondary Education) from the
University of Maine At Presque Isle.
In her free time, Marianne enjoys travelling, bicycling, walking, and rug-hooking.
Hotel Dieu St. Joseph Hospital 273-7100 New Brunswick Extra Mural Program 273-7222 Mental Health Centre 273-4701 River Valley Physiotherapy 273-9601 CHIMO Hotline 1-800-667-5005 Go Ahead Seniors - Regional Coordinator: Janet Gee 273-6229
Brookside Professional Centre, 14 Tribe Rd., Perth-Andover, N.B. E7H 3R6
Dr. David W. Bell – 273-9525
Dr. Peter G. B. Moore – 273-9529
Optometrists: Dr. Louiselle St. Amand 273-6854 Dr. Lillian Linton 273-6808 Dentist: Dr. Terrance Shaw & Dr. Geoff Moore 273-6460 Pharmacies: Johnson Pharmasave 273-2882 Lewis Phamacy 273-3772
A little blue bird landed on my shoulder & tweeted that whereas there is nothing much to do a lot of folks are planning to have some fun protesting with and or against their MLA on Family Day Methinks for very valid reasons N'esy Pas?
Most grocery and retail stores are closed, but some recreation spots are open
CBC News · Posted: Feb 16, 2020 7:00 AM AT
Wondering what's open and closed on Family Day? We've got you covered. (optimarc / Shutterstock)
Monday is Family Day and many retail shops, public services and attractions won't be open.
This is the third time New Brunswick has celebrated Family Day, since the holiday was introduced in 2017 by the province.
To make sure you're prepared for the holiday, here's a list of what's open and closed on Monday.
Retail and grocery
All Sobeys stores in the province are closed.
New Brunswick Walmarts are closed.
Atlantic Superstores are closed.
NB Liquor stores are open 10 a.m. to 5 p.m. on Sunday and closed Family Day.
Fredericton's Regent Mall and Moncton's CF Champlain Place and Saint John's McAllister Place are closed.
The Saint John City Market is closed.
Government offices, public services
Fredericton Transit will not be operating.
Saint John Transit will operate on a Sunday schedule.
Codiac Transpo will not be running.
Service New Brunswick is closed.
Service Canada is open.
Public libraries in the province are closed Monday.
Recreation
The Beaverbrook Art Gallery in Fredericton is open 12 p.m. to 5 p.m. Monday
In Saint John, the New Brunswick Museum is closed Mondays until May 15.
Ray Bungay Anything
on the Federal side will be open and even mail delivery should be
available for those who still get mail. Our daughter lives in Ontario
and works in the private sector. She is off but her husband works for
the Feds and has to work. But come Easter Monday it is reversed. Go
figure eh!
David Amos
Reply to @Ray Bungay:
Methinks agnostic taxpayers in New Brunswick who don't work for the
Feds could care less as long as they get both days off N'esy Pas?
David Amos
Methinks
I should disclose that a little blue budgie landed on shoulder and
tweeted in my ear that whereas there is nothing much to do a lot of
folks are planning to have some fun protesting with and or against their
MLA on "Family Day" for very valid reasons N'esy Pas?
Just Wondering Yeeeee
– haaaaa, the big box stores, liquor stores, and marijuana pot stores
are closed on Family Day. There is no need for shopping or drinking
booze or smoking pot on a holiday.
David Amos
Reply to @Just Wondering: Methinks it an interesting name you use but I doubt your parents gave it you N'esy Pas?
James Deer It
should be celebrated 3 times a year in place of some other stupid
holidays. If you 'work' for Government; you must pick up trash of the
roads on those 9 days.
David Amos
Reply to @James Deer: Methinks you should seize the day and go protest with the other folks N'esy Pas?
Marc LeBlanc How can it be Family Day if all the liquor stores are closed....?
Oh! the humanity!
James Deer
Reply to @Marc LeBlanc: Are you suggesting that the Government should loose money?
David Amos
Reply to @James Deer:
Methinks losing money is just another one of those things that the
government does that taxpayers fail to appreciate N'esy Pas?
At Horizon Health Network we are extremely appreciative for the
support of our Foundations, Auxiliaries, and Alumnae. These
organizations provide funding and support for much needed equipment,
programs and projects. This support continues to allow Horizon Health
Network to provide the best possible patient care. Our volunteers are
equally important as they provide much needed emotional support and
assist with our patient care by reading, writing, cooking, delivering
flowers, or sitting with someone who might not have family nearby.
Whichever way you choose to give, your gift is valued and appreciated.
Foundations
Auxiliaries
Alumnae
Volunteer
Foundations
Bennett and Albert County Health Care Foundation
Chalmers Regional Hospital Foundation
Charlotte County Hospital Foundation
Friends of The Moncton Hospital Foundation
Grand Manan Hospital Foundation
Harvey Community Hospital Foundation
Hotel-Dieu of St. Joseph Hospital Foundation
Miramichi Regional Hospital Foundation
Oromocto Public Hospital Foundation
Rexton and Area Health Care Foundation
Sackville Memorial Hospital Foundation
Saint John Regional Hospital Foundation
St. Joseph's Hospital Foundation
Stan Cassidy Foundation
Sussex Health Care Centre Foundation
Tobique Valley Health Care Foundation
Upper River Valley Hospital Foundation
Wauklehegan Manor/MacLean Memorial Hospital Foundation
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Barbara Massey <Barbara.Massey@rcmp-grc.gc.ca>
Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2020 19:30:16 -0500
Subject: Re: YO Mr Higgs Re My right to MEDICARE and NO MORE false
imprisonment Just as I get another bill from Vitalité I hear Horizon
want the RCMP to arrest me AGAIN TRUE or FALSE??? (Out of Office )
To: David Amos <david.raymond.amos333@gmail.com>
I am out of the office until Tuesday, February 18 and have
intermittent access to Email. For any urgencies, please contact
Jennifer Duggan, General Counsel, at 613 825 2981, or my admin
assistant, Sandra Lofaro 613 843 3540..
Je suis absent du bureau jusqu'à mardi 18 février, et j'aurai un accès
intermittent aux courriéls. Pour toute urgence,.vous pouvez
communiquer avec Jennifer Duggan, Avocate générale, au 613 825 2981,
ou avec mon adjointe admin. Sandra Lofaro 613 843 3540.
Doctor shortage forces overnight closure at Sackville ER
More er closures are possible before hours are permanently reduced on March 11
CBC News · Posted: Feb 13, 2020 11:32 AM AT
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David Amos Content disabled
Go Figure These are obviously not my Tweets but I did run against the lady
Chisholm Pothier
@chisholmp
·
Feb 10
The plan hasn’t even been announced yet and it’s already being
condemned. We know one thing for sure - we cannot keep delivering
Health the way we have. It isn’t sustainable with an aging population
and needs have changed with demographic change anyway. #nbpoli /1
Quote Tweet
Alaina Lockhart
@AlainaLockhart
· Feb 9
Premier @BlaineHiggs you can’t grow NB by reducing services in rural
areas. NB needs strong rural comms to thrive. The @townofsussex is key
to the region. You need to start thinking about the people impacted in
your quest to improve the bottom line. https://twitter.com/nsteinbach_rc/
David Amos Content disabled
Reply to @David Amos: Chisholm Pothier no longer speaks for the
government Correct?
David Amos
Need I say I got a few calls after supper last night and the people
who called could tell I was pretty cranky about something? Trust that
what I heard on CBC this morning did not help my mood any..
David Amos
Methinks the real problem is that Higgy and Flemming can't get enough
bilingual folks who want to work within our Health Care System N'esy
Pas?
David Amos
Reply to @David Amos: Methinks everybody knows since the time of
Trudeau The Elder New Brunswick has been a great place to grow up and
get an education but to find work most of our young ones must head
west somewhere on the far side of Quebec. If the truth hurts so be it
N'esy Pas?
David Amos
On CBC this morning I heard our mindless Health Minister direct folks
to the emergency room in another province. Methinks we have not heard
that last about that N'esy Pas??
Jim Cyr
The people of New Brunswick are some of the silliest people in the
world. It’s been hilarious to see almost all of them completely turn
off their brains and freak out over Higgs’ emergency rooms plan. The
people will now vote out the PCs, of course......just as their silly
media masters tell them to do. And so the NB medical/fiscal/poverty
situation will just get worse and worse and worse than it already is..
You can’t make this kind of stuff up, folks!! Amazing to see.
Mind-numbingly predictable and monotonous. It’s like kubuki theater at
this point.. BAD kubuki theater.....lol
David Amos
Reply to @Jim Cyr: Methinks you may be cluing in as to why I call this
a circus If you can't find fun in the madness then you will go crazy
like they claim I am. Yea I'm crazy alright. Some say I'm crazy like a
fox others say I am just another narcissistic fool Hard telling not
knowing for sure but one thing is for certain I am having fun laughing
at all the people who laughed at me N'esy Pas?
However I can be as crazy as i want to be Higgy should ask the shinks
in the loonie bin of the DECH what they did with the wiretap tape of
the mob that I gave them in 2008 that the RCMP refuse to investigate.
Terry Tibbs
Reply to @Jim Cyr:
Silly? It's just plain "goofy". And once the CONServatives are gone,
having been exchanged for the Liberals, the process will repeat
itself, over and over.
Not one among us able to figure out the only end result is our pocket
remain empty.
Michael Durant
We need to begin serious talks with Doctors Without Boarders
David Amos
Reply to @Michael durant: Try again That one went over like a lead balloon
Ben Haroldson
Reply to @Michael durant: borders
Yves Savoie
Get your popcorn ready!!! The circus has begun....
David Amos
Reply to @Yves Savoie: Wanna trade some of your popcorn for peanuts?
Methinks Trump and everybody knows I have been enjoying the circuses
on both sides of the 49th for many years from the peanut galley.
Trump's minions know that just before July 4th, 2002 within a
statement of Claim against an incredible number of Yankee lawyers I
promised that I would run in the next Election in Canada. I have
remained true to my word and have run 7 times thus far. I joined the
clowns in the centre ring no only to to add my two bits worth and but
to witness the high diving acts up close and personal. Trust that
Harper and Higgy et al know that i dearly love the splash just my kids
and I did at Sea World a long long time ago N'esy Pas?
Ben Haroldson
Reply to @David Amos: Kudos to that, and if you were in my riding you
would get my vote, fed or prov.
Lou Bell
Reply to @Ben Haroldson: That would give him 14 votes
Lou Bell
Reply to @David Amos: " Methinks trumps and everybody knows I have
been enjoy.. .... ...... " !!! You really think trump knows who you
are ?? Seriously ???????????
David Amos
Reply to @Lou Bell: Do you want his lawyers cell number?
David Amos
Reply to @Lou Bell: Better yet do you want me to give them yours so
you can say hey to your Yankee heroes who locked me up in 2004?
David Amos
Reply to @Ben Haroldson: Thanks for the vote of confidence
Ben Haroldson
The Doctors are just helping to move things along. No sense waffling
if things are that dire.
David Amos
Reply to @Ben Haroldson: So you say
Terry Tibbs
What do you *think*? Coincidence, or not?
David Amos
Reply to @Terry Tibbs: Methinks we all know the wicked game by now N'esy Pas?
David Amos
Reply to @David Amos: BTW I was born in the Sackville Hospital in 1952
and it saved my butt 3 years later when I went into a coma for a
month. Methinks for that reason alone I should raise hell to defend
it. Methinks it should be rather obvious that I quite simply don't
care what my cousin Megan Mitton and all her Green Party pals say or
do about it N'esy Pas?
Holly Mossing
Reply to @Terry Tibbs: Not coincidence: ERs and Labour and Delivery
units have been randomly closing for years due to staffing issues.
That’s part of the problem, and this move will be part of the
solution. Government being responsible by listening to the health
authorities.
SarahRose Werner
How is the pool of doctors who provide nighttime ER coverage supplied?
Are these doctors who also work day jobs? Does staffing the ER
overnight make doctors less accessible to patients who seek service
during the day?
Elaine MacDonald
Reply to @SarahRose Werner: Overnight Doctors come from the family
practice doctors; so while some work the ER during the day, those who
work nights will also work office hours during the day before their
night shift starts. After midnight, the ER is emergencies only, so you
will be triaged by a nurse, then depending on the triage, you may or
may not see a doctor.
This Friday, from how it seems, there will be no doctor at all; I'm
not sure if a tirage nurse will assess people however.
SarahRose Werner
Reply to @Elaine MacDonald: Apparently not, because the ER will be
closed entirely. Which makes sense because triage is a sorting
procedure, not a treatment procedure. The word "triage" comes from the
process of sorting battlefield patients into three levels: those will
recover even without treatment, those who will even if treated and
those for whom treatment will make a difference. If there's no one
available to provide treatment, there's no point doing triage.
SarahRose Werner
Reply to @Elaine MacDonald: "Overnight Doctors come from the family
practice doctors; so while some work the ER during the day, those who
work nights will also work office hours during the day before their
night shift starts." - I'm not surprised that doctors who've already
worked during the day are averse to taking overnight shifts as well.
Terry Tibbs
Reply to @SarahRose Werner:
Why would they be "adverse"? If the "stories" told to us are true,
after supper the family practice doctor heads out to the ER for 7pm,
taking paperwork, or reading material, to catch up on.
Right around maybe 10, or 11pm they pull up a bed and have a snooze,
because there "might" be only 5 patients overnight, (this is "the
claim") maybe only one needing his/her attention, so the nurse can
wake him/her up as required. 7am the shift ends, doctor leaves fully
rested,12 hours pay richer.
In some cases, if the doctor lives real close, they go home, coming in
only if needed.
Holly Mossing
Reply to @SarahRose Werner: Yes, it does, which is part of the
problem. These are great shifts for doctors to pick up (quiet and pay
very well), but don’t help the health of local people overall because
the doc may see 5 urgent patients overnight but not be able to work at
see *25* the next day. That’s a big capacity issue.
David Amos
Reply to @Elaine MacDonald: Its a pity that nobody in Sackville would
listen to me this week
David Amos
Reply to @David Amos: However I will disclose that the Office of the
CEO of one of our Health Care systems called me a few days before
Flemming's big announcement in order to reach an understanding as to
why I am going to file a lawsuitin order to get my Medicare Card and
other things. I have heard nothing but crickets since. Methinks they
think I am bluffing Others know I am not N'esy Pas?
Ian Scott
It would help if the management would outline what it takes to have an
ER open 24/7. I do not think a lot of the public has a clue as to what
it means to open an ER to all comers and the staff then needed to
cover all reasonable issues. You cannot confuse the public and
ambulances etc where to go each night if staffing gets short. It makes
it worse. If you staff with general practice then they must have
extended training in ER issues. Otherwise the next thing is the
complaint that things were not done . Then comes the standard
equipment needed for stroke trauma etc, like CT scanners etc. Even
appendectomy becomes an issue without ultrasound or CT. Its really a
standard of practice and it requires a service level that is very
difficult to reach in small centers. Otherwise you just end up
shipping people out again and delaying diagnostics and the right
treatment, some of which are time related. Would you want surgery for
something that is not needed? Or have blood thinners given when you
actually have a brain bleed etc.
SarahRose Werner
Reply to @Ian Scott: One thing I've been reading in comments on
stories on this issue is that people mention being "stabilized" in a
smaller centre before being shipped out to a larger one. Not being a
medical professional, I don't know what resources and skills are
required to "stabilize" patients. Is this something that could be
achieved in some other way, for example, by expanded and improved
paramedic service?
Ian Scott
Reply to @SarahRose Werner: That is the care in bigger centers, well
trained paramedics to stabilize at site and transport. Still most
stroke issues need CT before treatment. Heart issues may be
"stabilized" with drugs etc but transfer really is key for assessment
. Trauma , (major) , needs a trauma center. I am not sure how many
paramedics can intubate in the field at this point in NB but even an
acute asthma or allergic issue might need it. Its what has been
suggested. The numbers are small in many of these towns.Even having
those staff may prove difficult down the road. Helicopter Air
ambulance is another issue, complex and expensive but out there.
Freddy is a trauma center for a certain level , but even it only has a
snowfield for landing.
SarahRose Werner
Reply to @Ian Scott: Okay, so if someone has a heart attack, acute
allergic attack, stroke, etc. in Sussex in the middle of the night and
that person needs some sort of immediate treatment to tide them over
until they get to the Saint John Regional, how is that provided? To
me, that's the crux of the issue here. I agree that 24/7 ER service in
all locations is not the answer. What are other possible answers?
Elaine MacDonald
Reply to @SarahRose Werner: In that situation, the patient will be
sent on to Saint John/Moncton (not sure which hospital in regards to
Sussex) regardless if they are stable or not.
SarahRose Werner
Reply to @Elaine MacDonald: Are there increased to the patient if
they're sent on without stabilization? What are those? What will be
done to ameliorate those risks?
Holly Mossing
Reply to @SarahRose Werner: There is a great study on this that showed
that cardiac patients who were “stabilized” at a small center then
transferred had worse outcomes and a higher death rate than patients
who bypassed their local ER and were brought directly to where they
could receive specialized care, for example. ( https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/28615177/ ). Advanced care
paramedics need to be normalized in New Brunswick and supported to
make health care as safe as possible. I’ve never voted Conservative
but in this case Higgs’ government is doing absolutely the responsible
thing. We need to make sure they follow through with increased daytime
services.
David Amos Content disabled
Reply to @SarahRose Werner: Methinks you must have read some of my
comments N'esy Pas?
David Amos
Reply to @SarahRose Werner: Hmmmm
Donald Smith
There has to be a reason, or reasons why NB Cannot attract them ???????
Mack Leigh
Reply to @Donald Smith: There definitely is however no one is allowed
to talk about the " Elephant " in the room.
Ian Scott
Reply to @Mack Leigh: Major centers are not really having that issue
except for OR constraints for time for some specialists and no beds
because of acute care bed blockers. Bathurst has excellent docs as
does Edmonston and they are better at language issues than the south.
Freddy and SJ and the Moncton centers also attract excellent staff.
Its in between that is the issue , and medicine has changed , as have
expectations and the standard of care. An ER is just that , all
comers, not a clinic. One has to meet rigid standards of care. And
those are hard to meet in 4k population or less towns and villages.
Aging issues are one of the biggest issues and its being met poorly.
Billing numbers are a thing of the past so not in the question. There
could certainly be some concern I suppose of young docs worried about
potential language issues but low.
Elaine MacDonald
Reply to @Ian Scott: What people seem to forget is that Sackville,
while a population of 5000 including Mt. Allison students, also
services Dorchester, Memramcook, Port Elgin, Murry Corner as well as
we get patients from the Cape like Cocagne, Cap Pele, Shediac. We've
had people from Moncton and surrounding area come to our hospital in
increasing numbers over the past two years, even as far as Anagance,
AND we get people from NS as well like River Hebert and Amherst. It
isn't just NB, but NS we serve too.
So no, we don't have a 4K or less patient possibility, we have much
more than that.
SarahRose Werner
Reply to @Elaine MacDonald: Then maybe NS would like to contribute
some money to pay for overnight service at the ER.
Terry Tibbs
Reply to @SarahRose Werner:
Don't you believe for a moment they don't.
Show an out of province medicare card at a NB hospital and the eyes
light up like a one armed bandit hitting a jackpot.
David Amos
Reply to @Donald Smith: Everybody knows the reasons
David Amos
Reply to @Mack Leigh: I do
Brian Robertson
This is just the logical next step in the deterioration of healthcare
under the thumb of a government administered monopoly.
When you have no money and no Doctors and costs are still increasing
because all your workers are members of public service unions that can
hold the public hostage; what else can happen?
The viability of single payer healthcare is based on the metering of
services in order to control costs.
Public needs and individual abilities to pay simply do not factor into
the equation.
Terry Tibbs
Reply to @Brian Robertson:
Hold the phone, Just STOP, and *think* for a moment, you have been
misdirected just like you are supposed to be.
EVERY other province, or territory, has "evil" union belonging health
professionals, this is not a NB only "thing".
We are supposed to be short of 100, maybe 200, health professionals
needed per capita (a different number pops out whenever those in
charge are asked).
We know the pay and benefits in NB are "short" hence the shortage of
health professionals.
Yet the cost of healthcare is higher (per capita) than every other
province, or territory.
So, either EVERYONE in NB is constantly sick, or the extra cost is
somewhere else other than with the health professionals.
I respectfully *think* you should be looking elsewhere.
Brian Robertson
Reply to @Terry Tibbs:
All Provincial healthcare systems are following the same pattern
decline; except possibly Quebec who enjoys a lucrative infusion of
Federal transfer payments annually. New Brunswick just seems to be
ahead of the curve in terms of declining services and wait times.
There is more than enough blame to go around for this spiral trip
around the drain. Yes, and that includes your healthcare
professionals.
David Amos
Reply to @Terry Tibbs: Methinks he knows you are correct Quebec is a
UNILINGUAL Province Hence its costs are less N'esy Pas?
John Pokiok
There you have it no Doctor wants to live in rural setting it's a hard
core fact.
Ian Scott
Reply to @John Pokiok: Thats not really true. Being an ER doc is a
different fish from a GP office setting. It requires an extension of
training.If you open an ER then you have every issue from Intubation
to trauma to poisoning, heart attack stroke, delivery etc. ER trained
docs are a separate entity . You are asking a GP to be everything and
have little backup and extended hours and then have a practice in the
community. It takes a serious block of staff to do this around the
clock. And to have surgical backups for obstetrics etc.And to then
live in communities with 4K people is not easy.
David Amos
Reply to @John Pokiok: Many do when they retire
Elaine MacDonald
Reply to @John Pokiok: And yet we just had *2* doctors from US
background move to Sackville to practice. It's not a matter of no
doctors wanting to move to rural areas.
David Amos
Reply to @Elaine MacDonald: Maybe they are willing to cover the midnight shift
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> Subject: Emails to Department of Justice and Province of Nova Scotia
> To: "motomaniac333@gmail.com" <motomaniac333@gmail.com>
>
> Mr. Amos,
> We acknowledge receipt of your recent emails to the Deputy Minister of
> Justice and lawyers within the Legal Services Division of the
> Department of Justice respecting a possible claim against the Province
> of Nova Scotia. Service of any documents respecting a legal claim
> against the Province of Nova Scotia may be served on the Attorney
> General at 1690 Hollis Street, Halifax, NS. Please note that we will
> not be responding to further emails on this matter.
>
> Department of Justice
>
>
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: David Amos motomaniac333@gmail.com
>> Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2017 09:32:09 -0400
>> Subject: Attn Integrity Commissioner Alexandre Deschênes, Q.C.,
>> To: coi@gnb.ca
>> Cc: david.raymond.amos@gmail.com
>>
>> Good Day Sir
>>
>> After I heard you speak on CBC I called your office again and managed
>> to speak to one of your staff for the first time
>>
>> Please find attached the documents I promised to send to the lady who
>> answered the phone this morning. Please notice that not after the Sgt
>> at Arms took the documents destined to your office his pal Tanker
>> Malley barred me in writing with an "English" only document.
>>
>> These are the hearings and the dockets in Federal Court that I
>> suggested that you study closely.
>>
>> This is the docket in Federal Court
>>
>> http://cas-cdc-www02.cas-satj.gc.ca/IndexingQueries/infp_RE_info_e.php?court_no=T-1557-15&select_court=T
>>
>> These are digital recordings of the last three hearings
>>
>> Dec 14th https://archive.org/details/BahHumbug
>>
>> January 11th, 2016 https://archive.org/details/Jan11th2015
>>
>> April 3rd, 2017
>>
>> https://archive.org/details/April32017JusticeLeblancHearing
>>
>>
>> This is the docket in the Federal Court of Appeal
>>
>> http://cas-cdc-www02.cas-satj.gc.ca/IndexingQueries/infp_RE_info_e.php?court_no=A-48-16&select_court=All
>>
>>
>> The only hearing thus far
>>
>> May 24th, 2017
>>
>> https://archive.org/details/May24thHoedown
>>
>>
>> This Judge understnds the meaning of the word Integrity
>>
>> Date: 20151223
>>
>> Docket: T-1557-15
>>
>> Fredericton, New Brunswick, December 23, 2015
>>
>> PRESENT: The Honourable Mr. Justice Bell
>>
>> BETWEEN:
>>
>> DAVID RAYMOND AMOS
>>
>> Plaintiff
>>
>> and
>>
>> HER MAJESTY THE QUEEN
>>
>> Defendant
>>
>> ORDER
>>
>> (Delivered orally from the Bench in Fredericton, New Brunswick, on
>> December 14, 2015)
>>
>> The Plaintiff seeks an appeal de novo, by way of motion pursuant to
>> the Federal Courts Rules (SOR/98-106), from an Order made on November
>> 12, 2015, in which Prothonotary Morneau struck the Statement of Claim
>> in its entirety.
>>
>> At the outset of the hearing, the Plaintiff brought to my attention a
>> letter dated September 10, 2004, which he sent to me, in my then
>> capacity as Past President of the New Brunswick Branch of the Canadian
>> Bar Association, and the then President of the Branch, Kathleen Quigg,
>> (now a Justice of the New Brunswick Court of Appeal). In that letter
>> he stated:
>>
>> As for your past President, Mr. Bell, may I suggest that you check the
>> work of Frank McKenna before I sue your entire law firm including you.
>> You are your brother’s keeper.
>>
>> Frank McKenna is the former Premier of New Brunswick and a former
>> colleague of mine at the law firm of McInnes Cooper. In addition to
>> expressing an intention to sue me, the Plaintiff refers to a number of
>> people in his Motion Record who he appears to contend may be witnesses
>> or potential parties to be added. Those individuals who are known to
>> me personally, include, but are not limited to the former Prime
>> Minister of Canada, The Right Honourable Stephen Harper; former
>> Attorney General of Canada and now a Justice of the Manitoba Court of
>> Queen’s Bench, Vic Toews; former member of Parliament Rob Moore;
>> former Director of Policing Services, the late Grant Garneau; former
>> Chief of the Fredericton Police Force, Barry McKnight; former Staff
>> Sergeant Danny Copp; my former colleagues on the New Brunswick Court
>> of Appeal, Justices Bradley V. Green and Kathleen Quigg, and, retired
>> Assistant Commissioner Wayne Lang of the Royal Canadian Mounted
>> Police.
>>
>> In the circumstances, given the threat in 2004 to sue me in my
>> personal capacity and my past and present relationship with many
>> potential witnesses and/or potential parties to the litigation, I am
>> of the view there would be a reasonable apprehension of bias should I
>> hear this motion. See Justice de Grandpré’s dissenting judgment in
>> Committee for Justice and Liberty et al v National Energy Board et al,
>> [1978] 1 SCR 369 at p 394 for the applicable test regarding
>> allegations of bias. In the circumstances, although neither party has
>> requested I recuse myself, I consider it appropriate that I do so.
>>
>>
>> AS A RESULT OF MY RECUSAL, THIS COURT ORDERS that the Administrator of
>> the Court schedule another date for the hearing of the motion. There
>> is no order as to costs.
>>
>> “B. Richard Bell”
>> Judge
>>
>>
>> Below after the CBC article about your concerns (I made one comment
>> already) you will find the text of just two of many emails I had sent
>> to your office over the years since I first visited it in 2006.
>>
>> I noticed that on July 30, 2009, he was appointed to the the Court
>> Martial Appeal Court of Canada Perhaps you should scroll to the
>> bottom of this email ASAP and read the entire Paragraph 83 of my
>> lawsuit now before the Federal Court of Canada?
>>
>> "FYI This is the text of the lawsuit that should interest Trudeau the
>> most
>>
>>
>> ---------- Original message ----------
>> From: justin.trudeau.a1@parl.gc.ca
>> Date: Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 8:18 PM
>> Subject: Réponse automatique : RE My complaint against the CROWN in
>> Federal Court Attn David Hansen and Peter MacKay If you planning to
>> submit a motion for a publication ban on my complaint trust that you
>> dudes are way past too late
>> To: david.raymond.amos@gmail.com
>>
>> Veuillez noter que j'ai changé de courriel. Vous pouvez me rejoindre à
>> lalanthier@hotmail.com
>>
>> Pour rejoindre le bureau de M. Trudeau veuillez envoyer un courriel à
>> tommy.desfosses@parl.gc.ca
>>
>> Please note that I changed email address, you can reach me at
>> lalanthier@hotmail.com
>>
>> To reach the office of Mr. Trudeau please send an email to
>> tommy.desfosses@parl.gc.ca
>>
>> Thank you,
>>
>> Merci ,
>>
>>
>> http://davidraymondamos3.blogspot.ca/2015/09/v-behaviorurldefaultvmlo.html
>>
>>
>> 83. The Plaintiff states that now that Canada is involved in more war
>> in Iraq again it did not serve Canadian interests and reputation to
>> allow Barry Winters to publish the following words three times over
>> five years after he began his bragging:
>>
>> January 13, 2015
>> This Is Just AS Relevant Now As When I wrote It During The Debate
>>
>> December 8, 2014
>> Why Canada Stood Tall!
>>
>> Friday, October 3, 2014
>> Little David Amos’ “True History Of War” Canadian Airstrikes And
>> Stupid Justin Trudeau
>>
>> Canada’s and Canadians free ride is over. Canada can no longer hide
>> behind Amerka’s and NATO’s skirts.
>>
>> When I was still in Canadian Forces then Prime Minister Jean Chretien
>> actually committed the Canadian Army to deploy in the second campaign
>> in Iraq, the Coalition of the Willing. This was against or contrary to
>> the wisdom or advice of those of us Canadian officers that were
>> involved in the initial planning phases of that operation. There were
>> significant concern in our planning cell, and NDHQ about of the dearth
>> of concern for operational guidance, direction, and forces for
>> operations after the initial occupation of Iraq. At the “last minute”
>> Prime Minister Chretien and the Liberal government changed its mind.
>> The Canadian government told our amerkan cousins that we would not
>> deploy combat troops for the Iraq campaign, but would deploy a
>> Canadian Battle Group to Afghanistan, enabling our amerkan cousins to
>> redeploy troops from there to Iraq. The PMO’s thinking that it was
>> less costly to deploy Canadian Forces to Afghanistan than Iraq. But
>> alas no one seems to remind the Liberals of Prime Minister Chretien’s
>> then grossly incorrect assumption. Notwithstanding Jean Chretien’s
>> incompetence and stupidity, the Canadian Army was heroic,
>> professional, punched well above it’s weight, and the PPCLI Battle
>> Group, is credited with “saving Afghanistan” during the Panjway
>> campaign of 2006.
>>
>> What Justin Trudeau and the Liberals don’t tell you now, is that then
>> Liberal Prime Minister Jean Chretien committed, and deployed the
>> Canadian army to Canada’s longest “war” without the advice, consent,
>> support, or vote of the Canadian Parliament.
>>
>> What David Amos and the rest of the ignorant, uneducated, and babbling
>> chattering classes are too addled to understand is the deployment of
>> less than 75 special operations troops, and what is known by planners
>> as a “six pac cell” of fighter aircraft is NOT the same as a
>> deployment of a Battle Group, nor a “war” make.
>>
>> The Canadian Government or The Crown unlike our amerkan cousins have
>> the “constitutional authority” to commit the Canadian nation to war.
>> That has been recently clearly articulated to the Canadian public by
>> constitutional scholar Phillippe Legasse. What Parliament can do is
>> remove “confidence” in The Crown’s Government in a “vote of
>> non-confidence.” That could not happen to the Chretien Government
>> regarding deployment to Afghanistan, and it won’t happen in this
>> instance with the conservative majority in The Commons regarding a
>> limited Canadian deployment to the Middle East.
>>
>> President George Bush was quite correct after 911 and the terror
>> attacks in New York; that the Taliban “occupied” and “failed state”
>> Afghanistan was the source of logistical support, command and control,
>> and training for the Al Quaeda war of terror against the world. The
>> initial defeat, and removal from control of Afghanistan was vital and
>>
>> P.S. Whereas this CBC article is about your opinion of the actions of
>> the latest Minister Of Health trust that Mr Boudreau and the CBC have
>> had my files for many years and the last thing they are is ethical.
>> Ask his friends Mr Murphy and the RCMP if you don't believe me.
>>
>> Subject:
>> Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 12:02:35 -0400
>> From: "Murphy, Michael B. \(DH/MS\)" MichaelB.Murphy@gnb.ca
>> To: motomaniac_02186@yahoo.com
>>
>> January 30, 2007
>>
>> WITHOUT PREJUDICE
>>
>> Mr. David Amos
>>
>> Dear Mr. Amos:
>>
>> This will acknowledge receipt of a copy of your e-mail of December 29,
>> 2006 to Corporal Warren McBeath of the RCMP.
>>
>> Because of the nature of the allegations made in your message, I have
>> taken the measure of forwarding a copy to Assistant Commissioner Steve
>> Graham of the RCMP “J” Division in Fredericton.
>>
>> Sincerely,
>>
>> Honourable Michael B. Murphy
>> Minister of Health
>>
>> CM/cb
>>
>>
>> Warren McBeath warren.mcbeath@rcmp-grc.gc.ca wrote:
>>
>> Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 17:34:53 -0500
>> From: "Warren McBeath" warren.mcbeath@rcmp-grc.gc.ca
>> To: kilgoursite@ca.inter.net, MichaelB.Murphy@gnb.ca,
>> nada.sarkis@gnb.ca, wally.stiles@gnb.ca, dwatch@web.net,
>> motomaniac_02186@yahoo.com
>> CC: ottawa@chuckstrahl.com, riding@chuckstrahl.com,John.Foran@gnb.ca,
>> Oda.B@parl.gc.ca,"Bev BUSSON" bev.busson@rcmp-grc.gc.ca,
>> "Paul Dube" PAUL.DUBE@rcmp-grc.gc.ca
>> Subject: Re: Remember me Kilgour? Landslide Annie McLellan has
>> forgotten me but the crooks within the RCMP have not
>>
>> Dear Mr. Amos,
>>
>> Thank you for your follow up e-mail to me today. I was on days off
>> over the holidays and returned to work this evening. Rest assured I
>> was not ignoring or procrastinating to respond to your concerns.
>>
>> As your attachment sent today refers from Premier Graham, our position
>> is clear on your dead calf issue: Our forensic labs do not process
>> testing on animals in cases such as yours, they are referred to the
>> Atlantic Veterinary College in Charlottetown who can provide these
>> services. If you do not choose to utilize their expertise in this
>> instance, then that is your decision and nothing more can be done.
>>
>> As for your other concerns regarding the US Government, false
>> imprisonment and Federal Court Dates in the US, etc... it is clear
>> that Federal authorities are aware of your concerns both in Canada
>> the US. These issues do not fall into the purvue of Detachment
>> and policing in Petitcodiac, NB.
>>
>> It was indeed an interesting and informative conversation we had on
>> December 23rd, and I wish you well in all of your future endeavors.
>>
>> Sincerely,
>>
>> Warren McBeath, Cpl.
>> GRC Caledonia RCMP
>> Traffic Services NCO
>> Ph: (506) 387-2222
>> Fax: (506) 387-4622
>> E-mail warren.mcbeath@rcmp-grc.gc.ca
>>
>>
>>
>> Alexandre Deschênes, Q.C.,
>> Office of the Integrity Commissioner
>> Edgecombe House, 736 King Street
>> Fredericton, N.B. CANADA E3B 5H1
>> tel.: 506-457-7890
>> fax: 506-444-5224
>> e-mail:coi@gnb.ca
>>
>
>
> On 8/3/17, David Amos <motomaniac333@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> If want something very serious to download and laugh at as well Please
>> Enjoy and share real wiretap tapes of the mob
>>
>> http://thedavidamosrant.blogspot.ca/2013/10/re-glen-greenwald-and-braz
>> ilian.html
>>
>>> http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2013/06/09/nsa-leak-guardian.html
>>>
>>> As the CBC etc yap about Yankee wiretaps and whistleblowers I must
>>> ask them the obvious question AIN'T THEY FORGETTING SOMETHING????
>>>
>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vugUalUO8YY
>>>
>>> What the hell does the media think my Yankee lawyer served upon the
>>> USDOJ right after I ran for and seat in the 39th Parliament baseball
>>> cards?
>>>
>>> http://archive.org/details/ITriedToExplainItToAllMaritimersInEarly200
>>> 6
>>>
>>> http://davidamos.blogspot.ca/2006/05/wiretap-tapes-impeach-bush.html
>>>
>>> http://www.archive.org/details/PoliceSurveilanceWiretapTape139
>>>
>>> http://archive.org/details/Part1WiretapTape143
>>>
>>> FEDERAL EXPRES February 7, 2006
>>> Senator Arlen Specter
>>> United States Senate
>>> Committee on the Judiciary
>>> 224 Dirksen Senate Office Building
>>> Washington, DC 20510
>>>
>>> Dear Mr. Specter:
>>>
>>> I have been asked to forward the enclosed tapes to you from a man
>>> named, David Amos, a Canadian citizen, in connection with the matters
>>> raised in the attached letter.
>>>
>>> Mr. Amos has represented to me that these are illegal FBI wire tap
>>> tapes.
>>>
>>> I believe Mr. Amos has been in contact with you about this previously.
>>>
>>> Very truly yours,
>>> Barry A. Bachrach
>>> Direct telephone: (508) 926-3403
>>> Direct facsimile: (508) 929-3003
>>> Email: bbachrach@bowditch.com
>>>
>>
>
> http://davidraymondamos3.blogspot.ca/2017/11/federal-court-of-appeal-finally-makes.html
>
>
> Sunday, 19 November 2017
> Federal Court of Appeal Finally Makes The BIG Decision And Publishes
> It Now The Crooks Cannot Take Back Ticket To Try Put My Matter Before
> The Supreme Court
>
> https://decisions.fct-cf.gc.ca/fca-caf/decisions/en/item/236679/index.do
>
>
> Federal Court of Appeal Decisions
>
> Amos v. Canada
> Court (s) Database
>
> Federal Court of Appeal Decisions
> Date
>
> 2017-10-30
> Neutral citation
>
> 2017 FCA 213
> File numbers
>
> A-48-16
> Date: 20171030
>
> Docket: A-48-16
> Citation: 2017 FCA 213
> CORAM:
>
> WEBB J.A.
> NEAR J.A.
> GLEASON J.A.
>
>
> BETWEEN:
> DAVID RAYMOND AMOS
> Respondent on the cross-appeal
> (and formally Appellant)
> and
> HER MAJESTY THE QUEEN
> Appellant on the cross-appeal
> (and formerly Respondent)
> Heard at Fredericton, New Brunswick, on May 24, 2017.
> Judgment delivered at Ottawa, Ontario, on October 30, 2017.
> REASONS FOR JUDGMENT BY:
>
> THE COURT
>
>
>
> Date: 20171030
>
> Docket: A-48-16
> Citation: 2017 FCA 213
> CORAM:
>
> WEBB J.A.
> NEAR J.A.
> GLEASON J.A.
>
>
> BETWEEN:
> DAVID RAYMOND AMOS
> Respondent on the cross-appeal
> (and formally Appellant)
> and
> HER MAJESTY THE QUEEN
> Appellant on the cross-appeal
> (and formerly Respondent)
> REASONS FOR JUDGMENT BY THE COURT
>
> I. Introduction
>
> [1] On September 16, 2015, David Raymond Amos (Mr. Amos)
> filed a 53-page Statement of Claim (the Claim) in Federal Court
> against Her Majesty the Queen (the Crown). Mr. Amos claims $11 million
> in damages and a public apology from the Prime Minister and Provincial
> Premiers for being illegally barred from accessing parliamentary
> properties and seeks a declaration from the Minister of Public Safety
> that the Canadian Government will no longer allow the Royal Canadian
> Mounted Police (RCMP) and Canadian Forces to harass him and his clan
> (Claim at para. 96).
>
> [2] On November 12, 2015 (Docket T-1557-15), by way of a
> motion brought by the Crown, a prothonotary of the Federal Court (the
> Prothonotary) struck the Claim in its entirety, without leave to
> amend, on the basis that it was plain and obvious that the Claim
> disclosed no reasonable claim, the Claim was fundamentally vexatious,
> and the Claim could not be salvaged by way of further amendment (the
> Prothontary’s Order).
>
>
> [3] On January 25, 2016 (2016 FC 93), by way of Mr.
> Amos’ appeal from the Prothonotary’s Order, a judge of the Federal
> Court (the Judge), reviewing the matter de novo, struck all of Mr.
> Amos’ claims for relief with the exception of the claim for damages
> for being barred by the RCMP from the New Brunswick legislature in
> 2004 (the Federal Court Judgment).
>
>
> [4] Mr. Amos appealed and the Crown cross-appealed the
> Federal Court Judgment. Further to the issuance of a Notice of Status
> Review, Mr. Amos’ appeal was dismissed for delay on December 19, 2016.
> As such, the only matter before this Court is the Crown’s
> cross-appeal.
>
>
> II. Preliminary Matter
>
> [5] Mr. Amos, in his memorandum of fact and law in
> relation to the cross-appeal that was filed with this Court on March
> 6, 2017, indicated that several judges of this Court, including two of
> the judges of this panel, had a conflict of interest in this appeal.
> This was the first time that he identified the judges whom he believed
> had a conflict of interest in a document that was filed with this
> Court. In his notice of appeal he had alluded to a conflict with
> several judges but did not name those judges.
>
> [6] Mr. Amos was of the view that he did not have to
> identify the judges in any document filed with this Court because he
> had identified the judges in various documents that had been filed
> with the Federal Court. In his view the Federal Court and the Federal
> Court of Appeal are the same court and therefore any document filed in
> the Federal Court would be filed in this Court. This view is based on
> subsections 5(4) and 5.1(4) of the Federal Courts Act, R.S.C., 1985,
> c. F-7:
>
>
> 5(4) Every judge of the Federal Court is, by virtue of his or her
> office, a judge of the Federal Court of Appeal and has all the
> jurisdiction, power and authority of a judge of the Federal Court of
> Appeal.
> […]
>
> 5(4) Les juges de la Cour fédérale sont d’office juges de la Cour
> d’appel fédérale et ont la même compétence et les mêmes pouvoirs que
> les juges de la Cour d’appel fédérale.
> […]
> 5.1(4) Every judge of the Federal Court of Appeal is, by virtue of
> that office, a judge of the Federal Court and has all the
> jurisdiction, power and authority of a judge of the Federal Court.
>
> 5.1(4) Les juges de la Cour d’appel fédérale sont d’office juges de la
> Cour fédérale et ont la même compétence et les mêmes pouvoirs que les
> juges de la Cour fédérale.
>
>
> [7] However, these subsections only provide that the
> judges of the Federal Court are also judges of this Court (and vice
> versa). It does not mean that there is only one court. If the Federal
> Court and this Court were one Court, there would be no need for this
> section.
> [8] Sections 3 and 4 of the Federal Courts Act provide that:
> 3 The division of the Federal Court of Canada called the Federal Court
> — Appeal Division is continued under the name “Federal Court of
> Appeal” in English and “Cour d’appel fédérale” in French. It is
> continued as an additional court of law, equity and admiralty in and
> for Canada, for the better administration of the laws of Canada and as
> a superior court of record having civil and criminal jurisdiction.
>
> 3 La Section d’appel, aussi appelée la Cour d’appel ou la Cour d’appel
> fédérale, est maintenue et dénommée « Cour d’appel fédérale » en
> français et « Federal Court of Appeal » en anglais. Elle est maintenue
> à titre de tribunal additionnel de droit, d’equity et d’amirauté du
> Canada, propre à améliorer l’application du droit canadien, et
> continue d’être une cour supérieure d’archives ayant compétence en
> matière civile et pénale.
> 4 The division of the Federal Court of Canada called the Federal Court
> — Trial Division is continued under the name “Federal Court” in
> English and “Cour fédérale” in French. It is continued as an
> additional court of law, equity and admiralty in and for Canada, for
> the better administration of the laws of Canada and as a superior
> court of record having civil and criminal jurisdiction.
>
> 4 La section de la Cour fédérale du Canada, appelée la Section de
> première instance de la Cour fédérale, est maintenue et dénommée «
> Cour fédérale » en français et « Federal Court » en anglais. Elle est
> maintenue à titre de tribunal additionnel de droit, d’equity et
> d’amirauté du Canada, propre à améliorer l’application du droit
> canadien, et continue d’être une cour supérieure d’archives ayant
> compétence en matière civile et pénale.
>
>
> [9] Sections 3 and 4 of the Federal Courts Act create
> two separate courts – this Court (section 3) and the Federal Court
> (section 4). If, as Mr. Amos suggests, documents filed in the Federal
> Court were automatically also filed in this Court, then there would no
> need for the parties to prepare and file appeal books as required by
> Rules 343 to 345 of the Federal Courts Rules, SOR/98-106 in relation
> to any appeal from a decision of the Federal Court. The requirement to
> file an appeal book with this Court in relation to an appeal from a
> decision of the Federal Court makes it clear that the only documents
> that will be before this Court are the documents that are part of that
> appeal book.
>
>
> [10] Therefore, the memorandum of fact and law filed on
> March 6, 2017 is the first document, filed with this Court, in which
> Mr. Amos identified the particular judges that he submits have a
> conflict in any matter related to him.
>
>
> [11] On April 3, 2017, Mr. Amos attempted to bring a motion
> before the Federal Court seeking an order “affirming or denying the
> conflict of interest he has” with a number of judges of the Federal
> Court. A judge of the Federal Court issued a direction noting that if
> Mr. Amos was seeking this order in relation to judges of the Federal
> Court of Appeal, it was beyond the jurisdiction of the Federal Court.
> Mr. Amos raised the Federal Court motion at the hearing of this
> cross-appeal. The Federal Court motion is not a motion before this
> Court and, as such, the submissions filed before the Federal Court
> will not be entertained. As well, since this was a motion brought
> before the Federal Court (and not this Court), any documents filed in
> relation to that motion are not part of the record of this Court.
>
>
> [12] During the hearing of the appeal Mr. Amos alleged that
> the third member of this panel also had a conflict of interest and
> submitted some documents that, in his view, supported his claim of a
> conflict. Mr. Amos, following the hearing of his appeal, was also
> afforded the opportunity to provide a brief summary of the conflict
> that he was alleging and to file additional documents that, in his
> view, supported his allegations. Mr. Amos submitted several pages of
> documents in relation to the alleged conflicts. He organized the
> documents by submitting a copy of the biography of the particular
> judge and then, immediately following that biography, by including
> copies of the documents that, in his view, supported his claim that
> such judge had a conflict.
>
>
> [13] The nature of the alleged conflict of Justice Webb is
> that before he was appointed as a Judge of the Tax Court of Canada in
> 2006, he was a partner with the law firm Patterson Law, and before
> that with Patterson Palmer in Nova Scotia. Mr. Amos submitted that he
> had a number of disputes with Patterson Palmer and Patterson Law and
> therefore Justice Webb has a conflict simply because he was a partner
> of these firms. Mr. Amos is not alleging that Justice Webb was
> personally involved in or had any knowledge of any matter in which Mr.
> Amos was involved with Justice Webb’s former law firm – only that he
> was a member of such firm.
>
>
> [14] During his oral submissions at the hearing of his
> appeal Mr. Amos, in relation to the alleged conflict for Justice Webb,
> focused on dealings between himself and a particular lawyer at
> Patterson Law. However, none of the documents submitted by Mr. Amos at
> the hearing or subsequently related to any dealings with this
> particular lawyer nor is it clear when Mr. Amos was dealing with this
> lawyer. In particular, it is far from clear whether such dealings were
> after the time that Justice Webb was appointed as a Judge of the Tax
> Court of Canada over 10 years ago.
>
>
> [15] The documents that he submitted in relation to the
> alleged conflict for Justice Webb largely relate to dealings between
> Byron Prior and the St. John’s Newfoundland and Labrador office of
> Patterson Palmer, which is not in the same province where Justice Webb
> practiced law. The only document that indicates any dealing between
> Mr. Amos and Patterson Palmer is a copy of an affidavit of Stephen May
> who was a partner in the St. John’s NL office of Patterson Palmer. The
> affidavit is dated January 24, 2005 and refers to a number of e-mails
> that were sent by Mr. Amos to Stephen May. Mr. Amos also included a
> letter that is addressed to four individuals, one of whom is John
> Crosbie who was counsel to the St. John’s NL office of Patterson
> Palmer. The letter is dated September 2, 2004 and is addressed to
> “John Crosbie, c/o Greg G. Byrne, Suite 502, 570 Queen Street,
> Fredericton, NB E3B 5E3”. In this letter Mr. Amos alludes to a
> possible lawsuit against Patterson Palmer.
> [16] Mr. Amos’ position is that simply because Justice Webb
> was a lawyer with Patterson Palmer, he now has a conflict. In Wewaykum
> Indian Band v. Her Majesty the Queen, 2003 SCC 45, [2003] 2 S.C.R.
> 259, the Supreme Court of Canada noted that disqualification of a
> judge is to be determined based on whether there is a reasonable
> apprehension of bias:
> 60 In Canadian law, one standard has now emerged as the
> criterion for disqualification. The criterion, as expressed by de
> Grandpré J. in Committee for Justice and Liberty v. National Energy
> Board, …[[1978] 1 S.C.R. 369, 68 D.L.R. (3d) 716], at p. 394, is the
> reasonable apprehension of bias:
> … the apprehension of bias must be a reasonable one, held by
> reasonable and right minded persons, applying themselves to the
> question and obtaining thereon the required information. In the words
> of the Court of Appeal, that test is "what would an informed person,
> viewing the matter realistically and practically -- and having thought
> the matter through -- conclude. Would he think that it is more likely
> than not that [the decision-maker], whether consciously or
> unconsciously, would not decide fairly."
>
> [17] The issue to be determined is whether an informed
> person, viewing the matter realistically and practically, and having
> thought the matter through, would conclude that Mr. Amos’ allegations
> give rise to a reasonable apprehension of bias. As this Court has
> previously remarked, “there is a strong presumption that judges will
> administer justice impartially” and this presumption will not be
> rebutted in the absence of “convincing evidence” of bias (Collins v.
> Canada, 2011 FCA 140 at para. 7, [2011] 4 C.T.C. 157 [Collins]. See
> also R. v. S. (R.D.), [1997] 3 S.C.R. 484 at para. 32, 151 D.L.R.
> (4th) 193).
>
> [18] The Ontario Court of Appeal in Rando Drugs Ltd. v.
> Scott, 2007 ONCA 553, 86 O.R. (3d) 653 (leave to appeal to the Supreme
> Court of Canada refused, 32285 (August 1, 2007)), addressed the
> particular issue of whether a judge is disqualified from hearing a
> case simply because he had been a member of a law firm that was
> involved in the litigation that was now before that judge. The Ontario
> Court of Appeal determined that the judge was not disqualified if the
> judge had no involvement with the person or the matter when he was a
> lawyer. The Ontario Court of Appeal also explained that the rules for
> determining whether a judge is disqualified are different from the
> rules to determine whether a lawyer has a conflict:
> 27 Thus, disqualification is not the natural corollary to a
> finding that a trial judge has had some involvement in a case over
> which he or she is now presiding. Where the judge had no involvement,
> as here, it cannot be said that the judge is disqualified.
>
>
> 28 The point can rightly be made that had Mr. Patterson been
> asked to represent the appellant as counsel before his appointment to
> the bench, the conflict rules would likely have prevented him from
> taking the case because his firm had formerly represented one of the
> defendants in the case. Thus, it is argued how is it that as a trial
> judge Patterson J. can hear the case? This issue was considered by the
> Court of Appeal (Civil Division) in Locabail (U.K.) Ltd. v. Bayfield
> Properties Ltd., [2000] Q.B. 451. The court held, at para. 58, that
> there is no inflexible rule governing the disqualification of a judge
> and that, "[e]verything depends on the circumstances."
>
>
> 29 It seems to me that what appears at first sight to be an
> inconsistency in application of rules can be explained by the
> different contexts and in particular, the strong presumption of
> judicial impartiality that applies in the context of disqualification
> of a judge. There is no such presumption in cases of allegations of
> conflict of interest against a lawyer because of a firm's previous
> involvement in the case. To the contrary, as explained by Sopinka J.
> in MacDonald Estate v. Martin (1990), 77 D.L.R. (4th) 249 (S.C.C.),
> for sound policy reasons there is a presumption of a disqualifying
> interest that can rarely be overcome. In particular, a conclusory
> statement from the lawyer that he or she had no confidential
> information about the case will never be sufficient. The case is the
> opposite where the allegation of bias is made against a trial judge.
> His or her statement that he or she knew nothing about the case and
> had no involvement in it will ordinarily be accepted at face value
> unless there is good reason to doubt it: see Locabail, at para. 19.
>
>
> 30 That brings me then to consider the particular circumstances
> of this case and whether there are serious grounds to find a
> disqualifying conflict of interest in this case. In my view, there are
> two significant factors that justify the trial judge's decision not to
> recuse himself. The first is his statement, which all parties accept,
> that he knew nothing of the case when it was in his former firm and
> that he had nothing to do with it. The second is the long passage of
> time. As was said in Wewaykum, at para. 85:
> To us, one significant factor stands out, and must inform
> the perspective of the reasonable person assessing the impact of this
> involvement on Binnie J.'s impartiality in the appeals. That factor is
> the passage of time. Most arguments for disqualification rest on
> circumstances that are either contemporaneous to the decision-making,
> or that occurred within a short time prior to the decision-making.
> 31 There are other factors that inform the issue. The Wilson
> Walker firm no longer acted for any of the parties by the time of
> trial. More importantly, at the time of the motion, Patterson J. had
> been a judge for six years and thus had not had a relationship with
> his former firm for a considerable period of time.
>
>
> 32 In my view, a reasonable person, viewing the matter
> realistically would conclude that the trial judge could deal fairly
> and impartially with this case. I take this view principally because
> of the long passage of time and the trial judge's lack of involvement
> in or knowledge of the case when the Wilson Walker firm had carriage.
> In these circumstances it cannot be reasonably contended that the
> trial judge could not remain impartial in the case. The mere fact that
> his name appears on the letterhead of some correspondence from over a
> decade ago would not lead a reasonable person to believe that he would
> either consciously or unconsciously favour his former firm's former
> client. It is simply not realistic to think that a judge would throw
> off his mantle of impartiality, ignore his oath of office and favour a
> client - about whom he knew nothing - of a firm that he left six years
> earlier and that no longer acts for the client, in a case involving
> events from over a decade ago.
> (emphasis added)
>
> [19] Justice Webb had no involvement with any matter
> involving Mr. Amos while he was a member of Patterson Palmer or
> Patterson Law, nor does Mr. Amos suggest that he did. Mr. Amos made it
> clear during the hearing of this matter that the only reason for the
> alleged conflict for Justice Webb was that he was a member of
> Patterson Law and Patterson Palmer. This is simply not enough for
> Justice Webb to be disqualified. Any involvement of Mr. Amos with
> Patterson Law while Justice Webb was a member of that firm would have
> had to occur over 10 years ago and even longer for the time when he
> was a member of Patterson Palmer. In addition to the lack of any
> involvement on his part with any matter or dispute that Mr. Amos had
> with Patterson Law or Patterson Palmer (which in and of itself is
> sufficient to dispose of this matter), the length of time since
> Justice Webb was a member of Patterson Law or Patterson Palmer would
> also result in the same finding – that there is no conflict in Justice
> Webb hearing this appeal.
>
> [20] Similarly in R. v. Bagot, 2000 MBCA 30, 145 Man. R.
> (2d) 260, the Manitoba Court of Appeal found that there was no
> reasonable apprehension of bias when a judge, who had been a member of
> the law firm that had been retained by the accused, had no involvement
> with the accused while he was a lawyer with that firm.
>
> [21] In Del Zotto v. Minister of National Revenue, [2000] 4
> F.C. 321, 257 N.R. 96, this court did find that there would be a
> reasonable apprehension of bias where a judge, who while he was a
> lawyer, had recorded time on a matter involving the same person who
> was before that judge. However, this case can be distinguished as
> Justice Webb did not have any time recorded on any files involving Mr.
> Amos while he was a lawyer with Patterson Palmer or Patterson Law.
>
> [22] Mr. Amos also included with his submissions a CD. He
> stated in his affidavit dated June 26, 2017 that there is a “true copy
> of an American police surveillance wiretap entitled 139” on this CD.
> He has also indicated that he has “provided a true copy of the CD
> entitled 139 to many American and Canadian law enforcement authorities
> and not one of the police forces or officers of the court are willing
> to investigate it”. Since he has indicated that this is an “American
> police surveillance wiretap”, this is a matter for the American law
> enforcement authorities and cannot create, as Mr. Amos suggests, a
> conflict of interest for any judge to whom he provides a copy.
>
> [23] As a result, there is no conflict or reasonable
> apprehension of bias for Justice Webb and therefore, no reason for him
> to recuse himself.
>
> [24] Mr. Amos alleged that Justice Near’s past professional
> experience with the government created a “quasi-conflict” in deciding
> the cross-appeal. Mr. Amos provided no details and Justice Near
> confirmed that he had no prior knowledge of the matters alleged in the
> Claim. Justice Near sees no reason to recuse himself.
>
> [25] Insofar as it is possible to glean the basis for Mr.
> Amos’ allegations against Justice Gleason, it appears that he alleges
> that she is incapable of hearing this appeal because he says he wrote
> a letter to Brian Mulroney and Jean Chrétien in 2004. At that time,
> both Justice Gleason and Mr. Mulroney were partners in the law firm
> Ogilvy Renault, LLP. The letter in question, which is rude and angry,
> begins with “Hey you two Evil Old Smiling Bastards” and “Re: me suing
> you and your little dogs too”. There is no indication that the letter
> was ever responded to or that a law suit was ever commenced by Mr.
> Amos against Mr. Mulroney. In the circumstances, there is no reason
> for Justice Gleason to recuse herself as the letter in question does
> not give rise to a reasonable apprehension of bias.
>
>
> III. Issue
>
> [26] The issue on the cross-appeal is as follows: Did the
> Judge err in setting aside the Prothonotary’s Order striking the Claim
> in its entirety without leave to amend and in determining that Mr.
> Amos’ allegation that the RCMP barred him from the New Brunswick
> legislature in 2004 was capable of supporting a cause of action?
>
> IV. Analysis
>
> A. Standard of Review
>
> [27] Following the Judge’s decision to set aside the
> Prothonotary’s Order, this Court revisited the standard of review to
> be applied to discretionary decisions of prothonotaries and decisions
> made by judges on appeals of prothonotaries’ decisions in Hospira
> Healthcare Corp. v. Kennedy Institute of Rheumatology, 2016 FCA 215,
> 402 D.L.R. (4th) 497 [Hospira]. In Hospira, a five-member panel of
> this Court replaced the Aqua-Gem standard of review with that
> articulated in Housen v. Nikolaisen, 2002 SCC 33, [2002] 2 S.C.R. 235
> [Housen]. As a result, it is no longer appropriate for the Federal
> Court to conduct a de novo review of a discretionary order made by a
> prothonotary in regard to questions vital to the final issue of the
> case. Rather, a Federal Court judge can only intervene on appeal if
> the prothonotary made an error of law or a palpable and overriding
> error in determining a question of fact or question of mixed fact and
> law (Hospira at para. 79). Further, this Court can only interfere with
> a Federal Court judge’s review of a prothonotary’s discretionary order
> if the judge made an error of law or palpable and overriding error in
> determining a question of fact or question of mixed fact and law
> (Hospira at paras. 82-83).
>
> [28] In the case at bar, the Judge substituted his own
> assessment of Mr. Amos’ Claim for that of the Prothonotary. This Court
> must look to the Prothonotary’s Order to determine whether the Judge
> erred in law or made a palpable and overriding error in choosing to
> interfere.
>
>
> B. Did the Judge err in interfering with the
> Prothonotary’s Order?
>
> [29] The Prothontoary’s Order accepted the following
> paragraphs from the Crown’s submissions as the basis for striking the
> Claim in its entirety without leave to amend:
>
> 17. Within the 96 paragraph Statement of Claim, the Plaintiff
> addresses his complaint in paragraphs 14-24, inclusive. All but four
> of those paragraphs are dedicated to an incident that occurred in 2006
> in and around the legislature in New Brunswick. The jurisdiction of
> the Federal Court does not extend to Her Majesty the Queen in right of
> the Provinces. In any event, the Plaintiff hasn’t named the Province
> or provincial actors as parties to this action. The incident alleged
> does not give rise to a justiciable cause of action in this Court.
> (…)
>
>
> 21. The few paragraphs that directly address the Defendant
> provide no details as to the individuals involved or the location of
> the alleged incidents or other details sufficient to allow the
> Defendant to respond. As a result, it is difficult or impossible to
> determine the causes of action the Plaintiff is attempting to advance.
> A generous reading of the Statement of Claim allows the Defendant to
> only speculate as to the true and/or intended cause of action. At
> best, the Plaintiff’s action may possibly be summarized as: he
> suspects he is barred from the House of Commons.
> [footnotes omitted].
>
>
> [30] The Judge determined that he could not strike the Claim
> on the same jurisdictional basis as the Prothonotary. The Judge noted
> that the Federal Court has jurisdiction over claims based on the
> liability of Federal Crown servants like the RCMP and that the actors
> who barred Mr. Amos from the New Brunswick legislature in 2004
> included the RCMP (Federal Court Judgment at para. 23). In considering
> the viability of these allegations de novo, the Judge identified
> paragraph 14 of the Claim as containing “some precision” as it
> identifies the date of the event and a RCMP officer acting as
> Aide-de-Camp to the Lieutenant Governor (Federal Court Judgment at
> para. 27).
>
>
> [31] The Judge noted that the 2004 event could support a
> cause of action in the tort of misfeasance in public office and
> identified the elements of the tort as excerpted from Meigs v. Canada,
> 2013 FC 389, 431 F.T.R. 111:
>
>
> [13] As in both the cases of Odhavji Estate v Woodhouse, 2003 SCC
> 69 [Odhavji] and Lewis v Canada, 2012 FC 1514 [Lewis], I must
> determine whether the plaintiffs’ statement of claim pleads each
> element of the alleged tort of misfeasance in public office:
>
> a) The public officer must have engaged in deliberate and unlawful
> conduct in his or her capacity as public officer;
>
> b) The public officer must have been aware both that his or her
> conduct was unlawful and that it was likely to harm the plaintiff; and
>
> c) There must be an element of bad faith or dishonesty by the public
> officer and knowledge of harm alone is insufficient to conclude that a
> public officer acted in bad faith or dishonestly.
> Odhavji, above, at paras 23, 24 and 28
> (Federal Court Judgment at para. 28).
>
> [32] The Judge determined that Mr. Amos disclosed sufficient
> material facts to meet the elements of the tort of misfeasance in
> public office because the actors, who barred him from the New
> Brunswick legislature in 2004, including the RCMP, did so for
> “political reasons” (Federal Court Judgment at para. 29).
>
> [33] This Court’s discussion of the sufficiency of pleadings
> in Merchant Law Group v. Canada (Revenue Agency), 2010 FCA 184, 321
> D.L.R (4th) 301 is particularly apt:
>
> …When pleading bad faith or abuse of power, it is not enough to
> assert, baldly, conclusory phrases such as “deliberately or
> negligently,” “callous disregard,” or “by fraud and theft did steal”.
> “The bare assertion of a conclusion upon which the court is called
> upon to pronounce is not an allegation of material fact”. Making bald,
> conclusory allegations without any evidentiary foundation is an abuse
> of process…
>
> To this, I would add that the tort of misfeasance in public office
> requires a particular state of mind of a public officer in carrying
> out the impunged action, i.e., deliberate conduct which the public
> officer knows to be inconsistent with the obligations of his or her
> office. For this tort, particularization of the allegations is
> mandatory. Rule 181 specifically requires particularization of
> allegations of “breach of trust,” “wilful default,” “state of mind of
> a person,” “malice” or “fraudulent intention.”
> (at paras. 34-35, citations omitted).
>
> [34] Applying the Housen standard of review to the
> Prothonotary’s Order, we are of the view that the Judge interfered
> absent a legal or palpable and overriding error.
>
> [35] The Prothonotary determined that Mr. Amos’ Claim
> disclosed no reasonable claim and was fundamentally vexatious on the
> basis of jurisdictional concerns and the absence of material facts to
> ground a cause of action. Paragraph 14 of the Claim, which addresses
> the 2004 event, pleads no material facts as to how the RCMP officer
> engaged in deliberate and unlawful conduct, knew that his or her
> conduct was unlawful and likely to harm Mr. Amos, and acted in bad
> faith. While the Claim alleges elsewhere that Mr. Amos was barred from
> the New Brunswick legislature for political and/or malicious reasons,
> these allegations are not particularized and are directed against
> non-federal actors, such as the Sergeant-at-Arms of the Legislative
> Assembly of New Brunswick and the Fredericton Police Force. As such,
> the Judge erred in determining that Mr. Amos’ allegation that the RCMP
> barred him from the New Brunswick legislature in 2004 was capable of
> supporting a cause of action.
>
> [36] In our view, the Claim is made up entirely of bare
> allegations, devoid of any detail, such that it discloses no
> reasonable cause of action within the jurisdiction of the Federal
> Courts. Therefore, the Judge erred in interfering to set aside the
> Prothonotary’s Order striking the claim in its entirety. Further, we
> find that the Prothonotary made no error in denying leave to amend.
> The deficiencies in Mr. Amos’ pleadings are so extensive such that
> amendment could not cure them (see Collins at para. 26).
>
> V. Conclusion
> [37] For the foregoing reasons, we would allow the Crown’s
> cross-appeal, with costs, setting aside the Federal Court Judgment,
> dated January 25, 2016 and restoring the Prothonotary’s Order, dated
> November 12, 2015, which struck Mr. Amos’ Claim in its entirety
> without leave to amend.
> "Wyman W. Webb"
> J.A.
> "David G. Near"
> J.A.
> "Mary J.L. Gleason"
> J.A.
>
>
>
> FEDERAL COURT OF APPEAL
> NAMES OF COUNSEL AND SOLICITORS OF RECORD
>
> A CROSS-APPEAL FROM AN ORDER OF THE HONOURABLE JUSTICE SOUTHCOTT DATED
> JANUARY 25, 2016; DOCKET NUMBER T-1557-15.
> DOCKET:
>
> A-48-16
>
>
>
> STYLE OF CAUSE:
>
> DAVID RAYMOND AMOS v. HER MAJESTY THE QUEEN
>
>
>
> PLACE OF HEARING:
>
> Fredericton,
> New Brunswick
>
> DATE OF HEARING:
>
> May 24, 2017
>
> REASONS FOR JUDGMENT OF THE COURT BY:
>
> WEBB J.A.
> NEAR J.A.
> GLEASON J.A.
>
> DATED:
>
> October 30, 2017
>
> APPEARANCES:
> David Raymond Amos
>
>
> For The Appellant / respondent on cross-appeal
> (on his own behalf)
>
> Jan Jensen
>
>
> For The Respondent / appELLANT ON CROSS-APPEAL
>
> SOLICITORS OF RECORD:
> Nathalie G. Drouin
> Deputy Attorney General of Canada
>
> For The Respondent / APPELLANT ON CROSS-APPEAL
>
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