Saturday 17 September 2022

25 more Codiac RCMP officers, 18 support staff could cost more than $10M

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Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2022 21:46:54 -0300
Subject: Methinks the RCMP, Mayor Dawn Arnold and even Wayne Long now
why enjoyed reading about the circus in your favourite city N'esy Pas
Mayor Leblanc???
Saturday, 17 September 2022
 
25 more Codiac RCMP officers, 18 support staff could cost more than $10M

 

 https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/codiac-rcmp-policing-board-meeting-1.6584864

 

25 more Codiac RCMP officers, 18 support staff could cost more than $10M

Plan would represent 25 per cent increase in Moncton-region policing budget

The recommendation to add staff was adopted into the Codiac Regional Policing Authority's plans in a unanimous vote without any public debate by its board members.

Implementing the hiring still requires approval by councils in Moncton, Dieppe and Riverview.

No costs were given during the meeting, which ended early after the board chair called for security because an advocate for defunding police spoke longer than the five minutes allowed for public speeches.

Don Moore, chair of the Codiac Regional Policing Authority board, says the cost to hire 25 more officers and 18 more civilians could top $10 million per year if implemented. (Shane Magee/CBC)

Don Moore, the board chair, offered the figure to reporters after the meeting.

"Our desire is that we get full implementation of these resources for 2023," Moore told reporters.

"However, we've been asked by the three municipalities if we could lessen the financial pain to the three municipalities by having either a three or five year plan."

The recommendation followed consultations with 80 groups or individuals that began last year, concluding more officers were needed to address concerns about police visibility and public safety in the region.

The recommendation, presented behind closed doors to councils last month, would significantly increase the existing 147-member force. The plan called for 10 more members of a community policing unit that already has six officers, 10 officers to revive the area's disbanded traffic unit, and five focused on drug and property crimes.

The 18 civilian staff would be on top of 79 existing positions that include administrative staff and employees at the operational communications centre taking calls from the public and talking to officers.

The plan's estimated cost would represent a 25 per cent increase over the 2022 budget of $39 million. That budget is paid for by the three communities. Moore said public presentations to councils in those communities are expected in October.

Courtney Pyrke of Saint John says there's a concern that if Moncton adds more officers the same will happen in other New Brunswick communities. (Shane Magee/CBC)

Courtney Pyrke of Saint John says it doesn't make sense to be spending more money on police instead of other services. 

Pyrke in an interview said they are concerned that if Moncton adds officers, the same could happen in Saint John and elsewhere in the province. 

Pyrke's speech to the board was cut off after going over a five minute time limit, one of several speakers critical of policing services or plans to put officers in the region's six high schools that were cut off or told to leave the meeting.

Saly Davis was told to leave after saying a board member's question about integration of immigrants was racist. Davis walked out calling Moore a "white supremacist."

Moore asked a commissionaire to intervene when Hafsah Mohammad went over the time and said she'd be prohibited from speaking at future meetings.

Pyrke said people felt ignored.

"I think that the reason why perhaps it got a little bit hostile is that it's a topic that a lot of people really care about and they don't feel like they're being heard," Pyrke told reporters.

"For me personally, I'm from Saint John, so maybe my voice isn't necessarily that important in Moncton, but the folks who are here who are from Moncton, they felt as though that they're not being heard."

Moore later told reporters that he was following the board's meeting procedures that include time limits for public comments and it wasn't personal. 

He said during consultations that led to the recommendation for more officers, none of the groups had advocated for reduced spending on police.

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Wednesday, 16 September 2020

NDP apologizes for Saint John candidate's 'profane remarks' directed at other politicians

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Replying to   @alllibertynews and 49 others
 

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Methinks it would be a good day to remind folks of the ERRE Committee coming to Fat Fred City N'esy Pas? 


 
 
 
 
 




Replying to   @alllibertynews and 49 others                                                      Content disabled                                                                                                                              Methinks many political animals understand why I enjoy encountering a critic with what appears to be a real name as per the rules of a public forum we are all paying for N'esy Pas?  

 

https://davidraymondamos3.blogspot.com/2020/09/ndp-apologizes-for-saint-john.html

 


 

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/ndp-courtney-pyrke-profane-remarks-higgs-long-1.5726796 

 

NDP apologizes for Saint John candidate's 'profane remarks' directed at other politicians

Courtney Pyrke could face discplinary action for tweets aimed at Blaine Higgs, Wayne Long

 

Jacques Poitras · CBC News · Posted: Sep 16, 2020 6:46 PM AT 

 


Courtney Pyrke, NDP candidate for Saint John Harbour, could face disciplinary action from her party over tweets directed at Blaine Higgs and Wayne Long. (Submitted by Courtney Pyrke)

The interim leader of the New Brunswick NDP is condemning election-night comments by one of the party's candidates and says he is looking at "disciplinary action."

Mackenzie Thomason apologized for what he called "wholly unnecessary and profane remarks" by Courtney Pyrke aimed at Saint John-Rothesay Liberal MP Wayne Long and Premier Blaine Higgs.

At 9:57 on election night, Pyrke, the NDP candidate in Saint John Harbour, tweeted a photo of a bottle of wine next to a paper cup with the words "F--- Blaine Higgs."

Later that night Pyrke tweeted a crude anatomical pun about Long's name while comparing him to an NDP MP who represented the federal riding where they used to live in Hamilton, Ont.


Interim NDP Leader Mackenzie Thomason described the comments as 'wholly unnecessary and profane.' (CBC News)

In a press release, Thomason condemned the "outbursts" and said they didn't reflect NDP values and were made without his consent. 

"We have our differences, we have our passions, but when you attack personally, and use comments such as that on a personal level, that's something that contravenes the political process, contravenes good will and it's not promoting dialogue," he said in an interview.

Thomason said such behaviour would not be tolerated and the party was "exploring disciplinary action for these and other remarks," but he said he wasn't aware of the details of the NDP's internal process, which he said would be confidential.

Candidate at odds with party officials

Pyrke, who identifies as non-binary and uses the pronouns they and them, said the criticism was "fair" but the party had not contacted them to discuss the tweets before issuing the press release. They learned of the statement from CBC News.

Pyrke also said the party was upset about Pyrke's questioning of how party officials were controlling Thomason's schedule and how they were "running the show", instead of the interim leader himself.

"I had basically been shut down and told I didn't understand," Pyrke said. 

"Every time I asked these types of questions, they treated it as if I was attacking them, and that I wasn't being understanding, and that I was new so I don't get it."

Thomason said a "very professional" team of people came forward to help the NDP campaign and "it was made very clear to the candidates that this was what was going on, and it seemed to not sit well with certain candidates.

"Differences arise and differences are okay. We have to have those conversations, but they have to be respectful."

Pyrke would not commit to staying involved with the NDP. "This is not the party that I support from my home town in Hamilton." 

Long surprised by apology

Long said he was surprised by Thomason's apology "but I was happy to see it. I don't think personal attacks of that nature have a place in politics."

Saint John MP Wayne Long says personal attacks of that nature don't belong in politics. (CBC)

On Monday, Pyrke finished fourth in Saint John Harbour, a one-time NDP bastion, with 5.9 per cent of the vote.

That's the lowest total for the NDP in the riding since it was created before the 1995 election. 

However, that result far exceeded the NDP's province-wide 1.6 per cent share of the popular vote and the 1.3 per cent Thomason received in Fredericton North.  

About the Author

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Jacques Poitras has been CBC's provincial affairs reporter in New Brunswick since 2000. Raised in Moncton, he also produces the CBC political podcast Spin Reduxit. 

 

 

 

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David Amos
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Methinks it would be a good day to remind folks of the ERRE Committee coming to Fat Fred City N'esy Pas?


https://openparliament.ca/committees/electoral-reform/42-1/39/david-amos-1/

 

David Amos
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BINGO 

 

 

 

David Amos
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Methinks they don't understand the circus N'esy Pas?
 
 
Andrew Purdy
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Reply to @David Amos: Your a broken record, nes pas? 
 
 
David Amos
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Reply to @Andrew Purdy: Methinks many political animals understand why I enjoy encountering a critic with what appears to be a real name as per the rules of a public forum we are all paying for N'esy Pas?

 


 


 

Matt Astell                                                                                                                                                    I don't see a problem with it any more than any of the other hypocrites out there being hypocritical. Now if they actually had any sort of chance of being elected, that's a different matte   
                  

David Amos
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Reply to @Matt Astell: Methinks that their political opponents being hypocritical is just another thing the other hypocrites fail to appreciate N'esy Pas?

 
Matt Astell
Reply to @David Amos: Oh, probably. I have no doubt that most of the people slagging them for making those comments would be rushing off to like them if it was made by someone of their political persuasion.

 

 

 

 

Rick Randall                                                                                                                                              
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It's is a good thing that "it" killed its own career. It already is a frightening sight on a billboard but you should see the ones that have tomatoes smashed on them. It looks like something out of a horror movie. "It" has been removed. I can now sleep better knowing that "It" isn't going to jump out of my closet in the middle of the night with a perverse blood thirst.
 
Allen Boboo
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Reply to @Rick Randall: Didn't Steven King write a book titled "IT" about evil clowns?
 
 
 David Amos
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Reply to @Allen Boboo: Methinks some folks are beginning to understand why I called this nonsense a circus N'esy Pas?

 

 

 

 

Terry Tibbs                                                                                                                                                If a speck of dust breaks wind in the forest does anyone care?
 

David Amos
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Reply to @Terry Tibbs: Methinks many people would wonder how that was possible and whether or not it is a sign of new life in our nearly dead forests N'esy Pas? 

 
 Terry Tibbs
 Reply to @David Amos:
I would have to say the significance is about equal.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Buford Wilson
Mackenzie is right to reprimand her.
Courtney ought to be ashamed of herself.
 
 
James Risdon
Reply to @Buford Wilson: In all fairness, the NDP leader should be ashamed of the election results himself.
 
 
Talon World Order 
Reply to @Buford Wilson: oh dear, you didn't use proper pronouns!
 
 
David Amos
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Reply to @James Risdon: I disagree The young man stated his opinions very well . Its not his fault not many people in his riding agreed with him
 
 
David Amos
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Reply to @James Risdon: BTW You should not deny that the young man got more votes that you and I did in the last provincial election Correct?
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Ben Haroldson
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Nbers are too set in their political ways. Nothing will ever change around here. It's gotta be an ego problem.
 
 
Al Borland 
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Reply to @Ben Haroldson: What?
 
 
James Risdon
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Reply to @Ben Haroldson: Well, you can't improve on perfection. ;-)
 
 
David Amos
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Reply to @James Risdon: So says a former Irving spin doctor
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
James Risdon
Here's a simple test: If you had a party at your house, would you invite the type of people the NDP has recruited to run as candidates to attend your soiree?

If not, ask yourself why you would vote for someone you wouldn't want in your home.  
 
 
David Amos
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Reply to @James Risdon: Methinks anyone with two clues between their ears would not attend your soiree N'esy Pas?
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
James Risdon
 Northern New Brunswick should just secede from the rest of the province. We're already bigger than the entire province of Prince Edward Island. We should just declare ourselves our own province.

Acadia.

We already have a flag, a national anthem, an official language. All we need is the territory.
 
 
Corrie Weatherfield
Reply to @James Risdon: and maybe the money provided by other parts of the province ???
 
 
Ian Scott
Reply to @James Risdon: by by.
 
 
James Risdon
Reply to @Ian Scott: You all drop by now, you hear?
 
 
David Amos
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Reply to @Ian Scott: I second that emotion
 
 
James Risdon
Reply to @Corrie Weatherfield: Thanks. Don't mind if we do.
 
 
Lou Bell
Reply to @James Risdon: Haiti North !!
 
 
Lou Bell
Reply to @Lou Bell: Haiti would approve ! They'd be promoted to the second poorest country in the world . Both Francophone by the way .
 
 
Ray Oliver
Reply to @James Risdon: you have my vote on that one!!!
 
 
Theo Laviyne
Reply to @Corrie Weatherfield: Thats true we don't pay taxes up here lol.
 
 
Terry Tibbs
Reply to @James Risdon:
Brains, you forgot brains.
 
 
Luke Coughlan
Reply to @James Risdon: Yeah..we've been hoping you would for 100 years kinda. Make sure to bring your EI rolls with ya
 
 
Marc Martin
Reply to @James Risdon: k.......
 
 
Fred Brewer
Reply to @James Risdon: Excellent idea!
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Lou Bell
Can't fix st ew pi d!
 
 
David Amos
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Reply to @Lou Bell: You prove that to be a fact on a daily basis 
 
 
Ray Oliver
Reply to @Lou Bell: Roland Michaud had it right. Higgs bring us back to somewhat normalcy. Mr Dressup be gone 
 

 

 

 

 

 

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Friday, 31 July 2020

Online activist seizes the spotlight with police critique 

 
Methinks the RCMP should have informed the Saint John politicians and their cops about I handle my concerns about their lack of Integrity within Twitter etc a long time ago N'esy Pas?
 
 
 
 
 


Online activist seizes the spotlight with police critique

'It's made a change and I'm not going to apologize for that part'


Jacques Poitras · CBC News · Posted: Jul 31, 2020 6:00 AM AT



Caitlin Grogan said she wasn't looking for attention when she criticized the Saint John Police in a tweet in June. (Jacques Poitras/CBC)

Caitlin Grogan says she wasn't looking for attention in early June when she dropped an f-bomb on the Saint John Police force.

But that's what she got: attention for her, and for her cause.

That single phrase in a single tweet, "f--- the @saintjohnpolice," made her the most prominent of several new voices forcing themselves into political debates in the city around policing, transit and other issues.

"I don't necessarily feel like I belong in the spotlight," she says. "I haven't done anything of incredible importance. I'm just a person in the community."

On the other hand, in the last eight weeks, "I've had more contact with politicians than I have had in my entire life."
so, the saint john police doesn’t recommend charges for 80% of sexual assault reports? and that’s like... acceptable?

The Saint John police reacted to her tweet by blocking her, but quickly unblocked her.

Since then Grogan has deployed the f-word at least one other time and has told people to "shut up," though she says that was registering disapproval, not trying to silence them.

MP deletes Twitter after debate

She has also got under the skin of some politicians, most notably Saint John-Rothesay Liberal MP Wayne Long.

After a heated online discussion about a photo showing Long on a boat with some friends, one of them holding a beer, the second-term MP deleted his Twitter account.

"Advocacy is important. Waking people up to listen to your message is important," says Long, a prolific social-media user himself.


With a single tweet, Caitlin Grogan put herself at the centre of a political moment in Saint John. She's part of a burst of online activism that politicians have been unable to ignore. 4:53

"But when it leaves issues-based discussion, and turns to personal attacks that's when I think it's counterproductive. And to be perfectly frank, it's destructive."

After Long made similar comments on CBC's Information Morning Saint John last week, Grogan tweeted, "Imagine being the most ineffective MP in history and trying to pick a fight with your most annoying constituent."

Other Saint John politicians haven't pushed back. Coun. David Hickey says social media is "not necessarily the most productive place" to take on politicians, but he says the swirl of debate has been healthy.
 

Saint John MP Wayne Long deleted his Twitter account after a heated debate with Caitin Grogan over a photo. (CBC)

"It's also creating a bigger conversation around what insightful and meaningful engagement means with the community and with community partners."

In a way, it's a story as old as politics, now being told in 140-character bursts on smart phones.


Young activists push for change. Establishment figures get uncomfortable.

Approach criticized

It raises age-old questions: is it better to criticize from the outside or try to work from inside the system? When is it time to stop asking nicely?

"The only reason anyone is paying attention to this right now is because I swore one time at the police," Grogan says. "It's made a change and I'm not going to apologize for that part."

Grogan says the criticism of her approach, that she's too "angry" and needs to smile more, is rarely levelled at male activists, and besides, it's just the "persona" people see online.

"I get [called] angry a lot, which is really surprising, because people who know me personally [know] that is so not me."

Except she is angry, she says in the next breath, about the number of sexual assault cases labelled "unfounded," for example.

"I think you have to be angry," she says. "I think if you're not angry you're not paying enough attention to what's happening."

Grogan has a lighter side. She tweeted at Mayor Don Darling that the city should buy Theodore the Tugboat, which Halifax officials put up for sale this summer.

Changes needed

But it's making change that drives her, and that's where it's harder to measure her impact.

She mentions that the email addresses for members of the Saint John Board of Police Commissioners are now listed online, and that the Kennebecasis Regional Police Force plans to pilot a civilian sexual assault review process.

Grogan used the provincial right-to-information law to get a breakdown of the different reasons the city police cited for not laying charges after sexual assault complaints.

Those are tiny steps that raise other eternal political questions: how fast is fast enough when it comes to change? How rapidly can it happen without triggering a backlash and endangering progress?

"I'm like the instant gratification generation," Grogan says. "'We want change and we want it now.'"
 

Saint John city Coun. David Hickey said the debate has been healthy and is creating a bigger conversation around what insightful and meaningful engagement means. (Jacques Poitras/CBC)

She recognizes that's not always realistic. She says it was unfair for another Twitter user to slam Saint John Mayor Don Darling for not defunding the police immediately.

"But at the same time …  while it may take years for the Saint John city council to substantially cut the police force budget, it would not take them years to at least acknowledge that that's something they want to look at or will look at."

Not interested in politics

Of course, Twitter isn't real life. It's not as widely used as other social media platforms, and it can be an echo chamber for politicians, activists and journalists.

Real decisions happen in real life.

"I had a lot of people reach out to me and ask if I was going to put my name forward to the police board or if I was going to run in the next municipal election," Grogan says.

"Both of those are resounding no's. That's not the way I want to make a difference right now. When you're working from the inside you have a lot more power but you also have a lot more rules that are put upon you."

Other like-minded activists are taking the plunge, though.

Courtney Pyrke, a board member of the new activist group Flip Saint John, recently applied for a vacant spot on the police board and several other municipal bodies.

"When Don Darling and Wayne Long and those politicians said, 'Why don't you do something?' I looked up what positions were open and I put my name forward because I think they have a point," Pyrke said.

Progressive activism

Flip Saint John was formed by a group of progressive activists who found each other online and decided to work together.

The group recently tweeted that it wants to avoid online bullying and was working on a code of conduct for its board members.

"We want to take these, as people would describe it, 'angry voices' or 'angry people online,' and turn that into something more productive," Pyrke said, adding, "I didn't see an issue with how Cait expressed her concerns or the things that she was recognizing."
 

While she's not interested in being on the police commission board or running for municipal politics, Grogan is learning more about how government works. (Jacques Poitras/CBC)

Darling says the debate sparked by Grogan, Flip Saint John and Black Lives Matter has prompted an "uptick" in the applications for vacant spots on the police board.

"So I am confident at the end of this we'll have a stronger police commission when we're done," he says.

Grogan, meanwhile, says she has gained a more detailed understanding of how government institutions work.

"Today I'm going to sit through a growth committee meeting and learn about an affordable housing strategy for the city," she says. "Prior to all of this I wouldn't have known that the city was even looking to create an affordable housing strategy."

Despite Grogan's better appreciation of how slow-moving governments can be, and despite the blowback, "I would say things seem more possible" than they were before that first tweet, she says.

"It's shown that there is sort of a new type of politics coming, some new engagement. Young people are 'aging up' to the age now that they're able to vote and get involved, and there is that generational change."

About the Author

Jacques Poitras
Provincial Affairs reporter
Jacques Poitras has been CBC's provincial affairs reporter in New Brunswick since 2000. Raised in Moncton, he also produces the CBC political podcast Spin Reduxit. 


 


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David Amos
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Methinks the RCMP should have informed the Saint John politicians and their cops about I handle my concerns about their lack of Integrity within Twitter etc a long time ago N'esy Pas? 


Ray Oliver
Call me Darlin we will blow the whistle together.. LOL. Yeah. I'm a bad person








David Amos   
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Methinks CBC, Wayne Long, the Saint John Cops and the RCMP should admit that when it comes politicking withinTwitter the little lady does not hold a candle to mean old me N'esy Pas?
 
 
Dan Stewart 
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Reply to @David Amos: Any CBC articles about you lately Dave?


David Peters
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Reply to @Dan Stewart:
All this article is about is an f bomb dropping...in the meantime, our regions small and medium-sized businesses are reporting that their businesses are quickly becoming unsustainable.



David Amos
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Reply to @Dan Stewart: Methinks you should ask yourself why there NEVER has been N'esy Pas?


Dan Stewart
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Reply to @David Amos: I am pretty sure I know why
Dave... You, maybe not so much.....



Harvey York
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Reply to @Dan Stewart: we all know why


David Amos 
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Reply to @Harvey York: Methinks it follows that you dudes also know why it is illegal that they didn't N'esy Pas?


Dan Stewart 
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Reply to @David Peters: I agree that it is in fact more about the expletive used than anything else and that's actually a sad commentary on much social media these days.
Our economic woes while always a struggle here have most certainly suffered because of the world wide pandemic.. But that's not what this article is about.










SarahRose Werner
A tweet that does nothing but drop the F-bomb on a group or individual is not activism. It's just complaining. By reacting so strongly to this particular complaint, politicians have encouraged more of the same. If you want to make change, first learn how things work.


David Amos 
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Reply to @SarahRose Werner: Methinks you think the young lady doth protest too much N'esy Pas?












Matt Steele
Yep , certainly sounds like a product of the N.B. School System . Sounds like someone who would throw a hissy fit by cursing and swearing at a teacher , then threaten the teacher with a false allegation if they can't get their way . Society teaches them well .


David Amos 
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Reply to @Matt Steele: Methinks you and I were schooled by the same system So who are you to judge the young lady's actions merely because the corporate media and the politicians noticed her words and not yours N'esy Pas?











Aloysius McGillicuddy
Calling someone the "most ineffective MP in history" is not activism. It is Trumpism. Back in the day, people used to write "letters to the editor". The editor would decide what was reasonable enough to print. Now anyone with a smart phone gets the mic. And they often have no expertise. So if 80% is not acceptable, what is? 81%? 85%? There was no discussion of the results of the access to information and why there were not charges. Should people be tried without evidence? Should we spend time on trials where there is zero chance of conviction and clog up our legal system even more? This kind of twitter "activism" is just not constructive, its just yet another loudmouth getting attention.


David Amos 
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Reply to @Aloysius McGillicuddy: Methinks you should know that much to the chagrin of many a cop I used to consume your Menthol Mint concoction by the gallon N'esy Pas?









James Risdon
Ever think that maybe a lot of cases actually are unfounded or do not have sufficient evidence to move forward? Ever think that maybe the police are actually doing their jobs?


David Amos 
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Reply to @James Risdon: Methinks its time for your nap and have sweet dreams about KISS Party days N'esy Pas?


Steve Ryan 
Reply to @James Risdon:
You want her to think? No, people like her don't think, they just tweet.



James Risdon 
Reply to @Steve Ryan: Well, maybe she's capable of deep thought but was simply expressing a quick reaction at the time. I don't know her so I can't say.











Mac Isaac
In previous generations the norm for entry into politics was to become involved in some sort of community organization; then that involvement matured to that of community leadership and then on to elected office. Like most people my age, we WANT younger people to be engaged in their communities. Maybe this method of engaging through social media is as good a method as how it was formerly done but one thing I do know is either way requires a good foundation and education on the issues and the practicalities of your methodologies. Such blanket statements as "f--- @saintjohn police" needs some reflection on how effective such antagonism can be to the goal of improving/changing those things you want improved/changed. Such statements will most certainly make you visible but, at some point, you will need cooperation from some of the very people you've alienated.


David Amos 
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Reply to @Mac Isaac: Methinks Trudeau the Younger broke that mold N'esy Pas?











Justin Gunther   
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Why would you give the CBC access to frame your story? You don't have to want to run for office to point out the obvious, or serve as a necessary vehicle of catharsis when police get out of hand, or criticize what is manifestly stupid about politics, government and its different departments.


You don't need to do those things because nobody put guns to the heads of the people currently working these jobs. They took high profile jobs that attract criticism. That's on them.

Cute though. The tactic, I mean. Oh dear what have I done..



David Amos
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Reply to @Justin Gunther: What have you done?










Jake Newman
why doesn't she put her name forth for the police commission, why doesn't she become a police officer---oh wait easier to criticize


Winston Gray
Reply to @Jake Newman: says the guy commenting on a CBC article about how easy it is to “do something”


Ronald Parker
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Reply to @Jake Newman: As you just proved, it is easy to criticize.


Justin Gunther 
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Reply to @Ronald Parker: Much easier to have blue wall task forces than public inquiries as well.


Terry Saxton 
Reply to @Jake Newman: so to criticize you have to be a policeman, commissioner ,can’t do it as an ordinary citizen, what country are you from?


David Amos 
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Reply to @Jake Newman: What is it you do that is so special?


SarahRose Werner 
Reply to @Jake Newman: Given that Grogan is only now gaining "a more detailed understanding of how government institutions work," I'm glad to hear that she doesn't plan to join the police commission at this time. She's not ready.










Larry Larson
Time to replace the Saint John force with cops who want to do the work!


David Amos
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Reply to @Larry Larson: Dream On


Larry Larson
Reply to @David Amos: Hey! Les rêves sont bons!











Douglas James
Long is quoted as saying: "But when (social media) leaves issues-based discussion, and turns to personal attacks that's when I think it's counterproductive. And to be perfectly frank, it's destructive."

When I raised an issue about the census snooping into private lives, this MP sat on the sidelines and gleefully watched live as his principal assistant tried to publicly humiliate me on social media.

Wayne Long is a hypocrite.



Tom Simmons  
Reply to @Douglas James: of course he is, it's part of being a liberal.


Winston Gray 
Reply to @Tom Simmons: better than a Crookservative


Tom Simmons  
Reply to @Winston Gray: In Canada, LIB / Cons are two sides of the same coin. We don't have real conservative party here.


Winston Gray 
Reply to @Tom Simmons: is that a veiled way of saying that the conservative values you hold dear are so heinous that no party represents those values? Good to know.


Tom Simmons 
Reply to @Winston Gray: No I'm saying both the Liberal Party...and the Conservative Party (both are left of center, liberal are farther left) are one and the same. Really look at the platforms, it's the same.


Dan Stewart: 
Reply to @Tom Simmons: Not having "a real Conservitve party here" Is this government's saving grace. Now if the Federal party could figure that out we would all be in a better place.


David Amos 
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Reply to @Douglas James: "Wayne Long is a hypocrite"
Methinks many would agree that he is worse than that N''esy Pas?



David Peters  
Reply to @Tom Simmons:
The only party that offers a different platform, that's reasonable imo, is the libertarian party.



Aloysius McGillicuddy 
Reply to @Douglas James: A census does not snoop. It collects data that can be turned into information so that we have more effective public policy. So anti-"snoopers" are misguided and supporting ideological rather than scientific public policy. This is ruining the country. There's many protections of data anonymity in the collection of census data.








Ian Scott
Its one thing to sit and type nasties to people on a screen, its another to come out in the community and say things face to face or in a committee when maybe not everyone shares your ideas and to get your point across pleasantly and with statistics and reality to back you up.


James Smythe 
Reply to @Ian Scott: Have you ever tried to schedule a face to face meeting with a politician, especially one higher up the food chain? It’s near impossible. There’s almost no accountability anymore. I commend this young lady for taking a free app and making her voice heard. Is it sad that’s what it’s come to? Of course, but the burden of arriving here does not rest solely on her shoulders.


David Amos 
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Reply to @Ian Scott: Methinks Mr Long and his cop buddies must admit that I am not afraid of running for public office and suing the Crown as well N'esy Pas?


Al Clark 
Reply to @David Amos: You couldn't run 30 feet for a doughnut! ;-)


Al Clark 
Reply to @David Amos: To sue you have to fill out a form and pay a fee. Emails don't count.












Ben Haroldson 
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The be nice approach NEVER works.



David Amos   
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Reply to @Ben Haroldson: I know that to be a FACT OF LIFE


David Peters 
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Reply to @Ben Haroldson:
It does with nice, reasonable ppl, but many of those simply leave here. 







 

Gil Murray
Lots of people like attention. Activist and politician - same coin different side.


Ken Dwight 
Reply to @Gil Murray: Or people commenting on social media boards. We post comments because we want the attention, so what's the difference?


David Amos  
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Reply to @Ken Dwight: Methinks the big difference is I comment on social media boards in order to support my litigation N'esy Pas?











Michael G. L. Geraldson
Never underestimate the power of social media, or a woman's wrath!


David Amos 
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Reply to @Michael G. L. Geraldson: Oh So True
 









Matt Steele
Ms. Grogan , like everyone else , has an opinion , but very little will change . Sadly , N.B. is one of the poorest provinces in Canada , with one of the lowest ranked education systems , highest unemployment rates , oldest populations , and nepotism in govt. hiring that is out of control ; .and other than the population getting even older , I have not seen any of these things change in the last 40 years . Ms. Grogan is young and idealistic , but as she gets older , she will learn what the reality really is in N.B. ; and then she must accept that she can stay , or she can go....and many folks who want to be successful have chosen to leave N.B.


David Amos   
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Reply to @Matt Steele: How should we regard your constant opinions?








Chris Merriam
Yeah, she's a real hero.


David Amos  
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Reply to @Chris Merriam: If you say so


Chris Merriam 
Reply to @David Amos: Time for you to go to bed, little guy. I think you've had enough internet for today.


Harvey York 
Reply to @Chris Merriam: it's the end of the month. Needs to go cash his cheque and refill his meds.


David Amos  
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Reply to @Chris Merriam: Methinks its interesting that two RCMP shills followed me to a far more important story today that has been long delayed in closing much to the chagrin of Mr Long et al N'esy Pas?










David Peters
This is sort of interesting, but, what about the letter the local hotel association sent to city council on Monday night? A 5% occupancy rate? What have we allowed a few authoritarian's to do to our economy?


Winston Gray
Reply to @David Peters: the only authoritarianism in this country is being committed by the UCP in Alberta.


David Amos 
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Reply to @Winston Gray: Yea Right


David Peters 
Reply to @Winston Gray:
What's an example of ucp policy that's authoritarian?

 

 

 

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