Friday 26 July 2024

New report shows one-third of N.B. workers earn less than $20 per hour

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From: David Amos <david.raymond.amos333@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, Jul 26, 2024 at 2:16 PM
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https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/report-workers-low-wage-1.7275324
 

New report shows one-third of N.B. workers earn less than $20 per hour

Living wage in capital city nearly $10 more than minimum wage

A new report compiling statistics around low-wage Atlantic Canadians reveals that one-third of New Brunswick workers earn $20 per hour or less. 

Ten per cent of those workers earn under $15 an hour.

The Nova Scotia office for the Canadian Centre for Policy Alternatives released the report this week, compiling data from the 2023 Statistics Canada labour force survey. 

The report shows that the one-third statistic rings true for the other Atlantic provinces as well, with Nova Scotia at 35 per cent, Prince Edward Island at 34 per cent and New Brunswick and Newfoundland and Labrador at 33 per cent.

"Even if you were working at a full-time, $20-an-hour wage, you may be able to make choices that help you to be able to afford the essentials, but it would still be a struggle, definitely in some communities more than others," said report co-author and the Nova Scotia centre's director Christine Saulnier.

"But no matter where you're living across the region, people are facing difficulty in making ends meet," she said.

"It's quite a shocking number, if we think about one in three workers."

A woman with red hair Christine Saulnier, the director of the Canadian Centre for Policy Alternatives Nova Scotia office, said it is concerning that there's a $10 gap between current minimum wages and 2023 living-wage calculations. (Patrick Callaghan/CBC)

And Saulnier said that number likely would have been higher if the report examined how many workers were making below the living wage for their area.

The 2023 living wages are listed at $24.50 for Fredericton, $23.35 for Saint John, $22.75 for Moncton and $21.65 for Bathurst.

The New Brunswick minimum wage is $15.30, the lowest in the Atlantic provinces after Nova Scotia. 

"Putting side by side what current minimum wages are as of July 2024 and comparing them to what our 2023 living-wage rates show us — it's upwards of a $10 gap in our region and that's that's very concerning," said Saulnier.

She also said that the way living wage is calculated is a conservative estimate, since it doesn't include any possible debt payments.

The report also broke down what industries and demographics have the highest percentage of workers paid $20 or less. In New Brunswick, accommodation and food services and retail trade topped the list.

It also indicated that 86 per cent of those workers paid less than $20 per hour are not students. 

Daniel Legere stands outside wearing glasses and a blazer. New Brunswick Federation of Labour president Daniel Légère said the federation and other groups are calling for a $20 per hour minimum wage. (Ed Hunter/CBC)

And 71 per cent of those workers have full-time jobs.

Daniel Légère, the president of the New Brunswick Federation of Labour, said he wasn't surprised to see the report. He said it reinforced that New Brunswick and the Atlantic provinces have a "low-wage economy."

"And at the end of the day, workers are paying a significant price," he said.

"Work should lift people out of poverty and not keep them in it. 

"What do you do at the end of the week before payday and your car is empty and you've got to get to work? How do you pay for that gas? Well, you put it on credit cards. … Workers are using credit more than they'd probably like to just to pay the bills and get to work."

Légère said the federation and other groups are calling for a $20 per hour minimum wage.

Saulnier said $20 an hour would be a market reset of sorts. She said depending on the needs of different provinces, setting a minimum wage could vary across regions, but "a $20 reset would at least bring people closer to the living wage."

ABOUT THE AUTHOR


Hannah Rudderham is a reporter with CBC New Brunswick. She grew up in Cape Breton, N.S., and moved to Fredericton in 2018. You can send story tips to hannah.rudderham@cbc.ca.

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177 Comments
 
 
David Amos
Its a small wonder to me why they call Canada a Nanny State   
 
Brian mcknight 
Reply to David Amos   
On the contrary, it's a case of a Market Economy gone real bad.   
 
David Amos
Reply to Brian mcknight 
So says a Union dude
 
 

David Amos 
Methinks this is just more spin in support of the NDP N'esy Pas?
  
G. Timothy Walton
Reply to David Amos 
A tornado couldn't spin enough to help the provincial NDP.
 
David Amos
Reply to G. Timothy Walton
Oh So True  
 
David Amos
Reply to G. Timothy Walton
Cardy was the twister who decimated the NDP in NB Correct?  
 
G. Timothy Walton
Reply to David Amos  
10.41% in 2010 under Roger Duguay, who doubled the previous election's share.

12.98% in 2014 under Cardy.

5.00% under Jennifer McKenzie in 2018.

1.66% under Thomason in 2020.

I don't know how much can be pinned on Cardy but I do know that by 2020 the party seemed to be mostly about issues of concern to a very small percentage of New Brunswickers. The Greens picked up a lot of former NDP supporters, though it may be a chicken-and-egg argument about which mattered more to the NDP's collapse.

David Amos
Reply to G. Timothy Walton  
There is far more to it than the numbers suggest
 
David Amos
Reply to G. Timothy Walton
Cardy also decimated the PC Party
 
G. Timothy Walton
Reply to David Amos  
Higgs drove out a lot more than 10% of them.
 
G. Timothy Walton
Reply to David Amos  
I suspect a more detailed analysis of the NDP's policies would be visible for less than a minute.
 
David Amos
Reply to G. Timothy Walton
Deja Vu?
https://www.cbc.ca/player/play/video/1.2770213
 
David Amos
Reply to G. Timothy Walton
However Cardy appeared on my radar screen years before that

NDP gets help from democracy expert

CBC News · Posted: Jan 09, 2006 4:23 PM AST

An international expert on democracy has flown all the way from Egypt to help NDP candidate John Carty campaign in Fredericton.

Dominic Cardy is with a group called The National Democratic Institute. Its members include such people as former U.S. President Jimmy Carter. The group's mission is to teach democratic values and spread democracy around the world.

Cardy has taught about democracy in Algeria, Bangladesh, and Cambodia during the past few years. When he heard his friend John Carty was running for office back in his home town of Fredericton, he hopped on a plane.

"It was a strange experience," Cardy said. "One evening I was watching the sun go down over the pyramids, and the next evening watched it go down over Fredericton airport as I came into land."

Cardy is no relation to the NDP candidate. But he loves elections and loves getting people pumped up about democracy.

Carty the candidate is running against federal Indian Affairs Minister Andy Scott, Conservative Pat Lynch, Green candidate Philip Duchastel and independent David Amos. The riding has sent Scott to Ottawa for the last four elections, despite the best efforts of the other parties.

Cardy says he doesn't care how tough the race his – he just wants people to participate in the process. "People have forgotten how incredibly precious these gifts that our ancestors fought for are and were just giving them away. It makes me furious when I talk to people and people just say 'ah there's no point in voting.'"

After election day, Dominic Cardy is flying back home to his wife in Kathmandu, Nepal. 

 
 
Brian mcknight
It might be agood time for workers to seriously consider Union Membership.  
 
Dennis Woodman
Reply to Brian mcknight
They tried that at some Walmarts, and they elected to close those stores. 
 
David Amos
Reply to Brian mcknight 
Yea Right
 
Allan Marven
Reply to Dennis Woodman
Walmart closed stores LOL?
  
Lou Bell 
Reply to Allan Marven
Sure did . They also closed several stores due to theft , much by their own employees .

 

Lou Bell  
Anyone surprised ? Goes all the way back to when the McKenna liberals brought in all the low paying minimum wage jobs at the call centers NB taxpayers paid millions for , and that left the minute the funds ran out . They left thousands upon thousands with no pensions , , nothing more than OAS and low paying CPP . And then with the Feds propping up fishermen who worked minimum weeks then collected EI . It all produced thinking for many that one needn't even think about getting an education and higher learning , the Liberals had the answer . And how's that working out these days ?
 
David Amos
Reply to Lou Bell  
IMHO My best friend and I live like Kings on my OAS and CPP
 
Dan Lee
Reply to David Amos 
at least you spent it here......mine went staight to bermuda and every person they could find to be a civil servant in fton 
 
David Amos
Reply to Dan Lee 
You know who I am Correct?
 
Dan Lee
Reply to Lou Bell  
correct lol
 
David Amos
Reply to Dan Lee 
Still find my troubles funny EH? 
 
Dan Lee
Reply to Lou Bell 
i do........but life goes on........

 

Lou Bell  
Many of those listed as being below the poverty line also collect tips , of which most still don't claim on their income tax . Unless there's a paper trail , it's free money .
 
David Amos
Reply to Lou Bell  
The CRA takes a calculated guess on the tips Then the waitress has to prove that she didn't get that much
 
Ralph Linwood
Reply to Lou Bell  
Since very few people pay cash, there is a paper trail so that has pretty much ended. 
 
Dennis Woodman 
Reply to Ralph Linwood 
Lots pay tips in cash 
 
 
 
Samual Johnston 

"maybe we can all get a job with our new overseers claiming 2/3 of the Province -- imagine the millio..."
 
David Amos
Reply to Samual Johnston
Imagine how much money the lawyers will make off that nonsense 
 
David Amos
Reply to David Amos 
"Bruce Macfarlane, a spokesperson for the New Brunswick government, said Thursday it "has just received notice of this serious legal action. We will review it and respond in due course."

After the election of course

 
 
Miles Haukeness   
Looks like a good chance NB will lose all its land if the courts are in charge.. then we will all be making less then $20 /hr 
 
David Amos
Reply to Miles Haukeness  
Dream on   
 
MR Cain
Reply to Miles Haukeness   
Read the article. Nobody loses anything. People just want their fair share, same as anybody else.
 
Sam Brown
Reply to MR Cain
Mr. Cain.......Nothing is Fair, Free, or Equal.....

Good Day

MR Cain
Reply to Sam Brown 
It was taken freely by the colonial empire without compensation.
 
 
 
Lee Bronson  
From each according to his ability, to each according to them's middle-class supported benefits.
 
Robert Brannen
Reply to Lee Bronson  
You now know the source of that concept.
 
David Amos
Reply to Robert Brannen
Wiki says

"From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs" (German: Jeder nach seinen Fähigkeiten, jedem nach seinen Bedürfnissen) is a slogan popularised by Karl Marx in his 1875 Critique of the Gotha Programme.

The principle refers to free access to and distribution of goods, capital and services. In the Marxist view, such an arrangement will be made possible by the abundance of goods and services that a developed communist system will be capable to produce; the idea is that, with the full development of socialism and unfettered productive forces, there will be enough to satisfy everyone's needs.

 
 
Luc Newsome 
On the other hand…….it’s not like advocating a higher minimum wage based on the Living Wage isn’t without its own biases.

The living wage is calculated based on the needs of a family of four……yet the data is collected from the labour force survey for all workers, including students, part time, single and family members.

Comparing a single worker who lives at their parents house with a family member who has two children and suggesting their living wage needs are the same is unrealistic.

This would indicate the Living Wage overstates the amount needed

MR Cain 
Reply to Luc Newsome  
The calculation for a family of four is used to facilitate common factoring ( lodging, transportation, food, entertainment, debt, etc.) since a single person has the same needs as the family. A living wage is the hourly wage a worker needs to earn to cover their basic expenses and participate in their community, and it is more than $20 an hour. Business has convinced governments that raising minimum wages, especially a living wage, would make them uncompetitive and people cannot afford to pay the extra costs. 
 
Luc Newsome 
Reply to MR Cain  
That’s not accurate…..see the study for the details
 
MR Cain 
Reply to Luc Newsome  
I have seen the study. As you noted, it would not include a wage earner living in their parents' basement. They are trying to develop a baseline in needs. This can be extrapolated for any number within a family to a single.
 
Luc Newsome 
Reply to MR Cain
I was referring to “ since a single person has the same needs as the family “….

My point is a living wage is based on a family’s needs…..and the hourly earnings from LFS is based on a more inclusive group…..including part time, single,etc

MR Cain 
Reply to Luc Newsome 
I think the report needs to be updated to reflect today's circumstances. Full-time work is considered 30 hours a week minimum with no benefits. This would be a typical low wage earner.
 
Robert Brannen  
Reply to Luc Newsome  
Your post makes the assumption that the single worker has no intention of moving out of his parents house. The comment contains bias as well, in that case.
 
Robert Brannen 
Reply to Robert Brannen  
The Conservative Party of Canada left total National liabilities of more than 1 trillion dollars when handing over to the Liberal Party in 2015.
 
Luc Newsome 
Reply to Robert Brannen  
No it doesn’t……I am merely pointing out that the two definitions ( low wage earners versus living wage workers) are different..
 
Robert Brannen  
Reply to Luc Newsome 
Not in my youth. Single children, who had completed High School, were told to find a job, pay rent and their share of the weekly food costs. The alternative was find a job, and find accommodations elsewhere. 
 
Luc Newsome 
Reply to Robert Brannen  
It’s not about societal behaviors…..but more about Statscan definitions
 
David Amos
Reply to Luc Newsome   
Surely you jest 
 
MR Cain 
Reply to Robert Brannen
That was just talk. Your parents would have accepted you regardless. 
 
Robert Brannen  
Reply to MR Cain
Not at all! It was common through all communities. In my father's generation, those born in the second decade of the 20th. century, a majority of male children did not finish High School, and were expected to start working in their mid-teens to help to provide for the family. 
 
MR Cain 
Reply to Robert Brannen
There was no choice back then, especially for city dwellers. My dad used to say the same thing, get out and get a job. Then turn to ma and say "You have to do something with that boy of yours." They were always there when needed. Love does that in a family. Likewise, we used to look after our parents when in their senior years. We also found work within the same area for 40 years. Communities looked after each other.
 
David Amos 
Reply to Robert Brannen  
True  
 
Luc Newsome 
Reply to David Amos 
Nope……. 
 
 
 
Matt Steele
In the past NINE years , the FEDERAL debt has nearly doubled from less than 600 billion to a staggering 1.2 TRILLION , and growing rapidly . Just the interest payments on the FEDERAL debt is now close to 58 BILLION per year , and rising . With the debt rising that quickly , Canadians will have to pay more and more taxes , which will make their " take home " pay even less . Difficult times ahead for sure .
 
Ralph Linwood 
Reply to Matt Steele   
How? The debt does not affect the average Canadian. I lived through Harper's massive debt and the Chretien/Martin years that paid it off. Didn't affect me at all.
 
Matt Steele
Reply to Ralph Linwood  
Obviously you have a very limited understanding of economics , debt ratio , and apparently history ., Harper became PM AFTER Chretien was defeated ; so how would Chretien /Martin be paying off PM Harpers debt when Harper hadn't even been in power at that point ? 
 
Luc Newsome 
Reply to Ralph Linwood  
Historical inaccuracy aside…….the debt affects average Canadians because their upcoming taxes will be used by government to make debt payments. Of all the things government could do with the tax revenue to make average Canadians lives better …..they are using it to pay for yesterday’s expenses instead.  
 
Alison Jackson 
Reply to Matt Steele 
Capital letters Matt? Really? When PP gets in power and starts dismantling all the things you love, are you going to use capital letters on him too?

Not a chance.

ralph jacobs
Reply to Ralph Linwood 
I can tell you from experience I lived through Harpers so called massive debt and did much better than this present one. Harpers debt was to help us through a recession while this present debt caused us a recession.
 
GeorgeW Biggs 
Reply to Ralph Linwood 
You really added quite a bit of creativity to this post.
 
Lewis Hamilton 
Reply to ralph jacobs   
What recession? The Canadian economy is not current in recession
 
Cathy Watson 
Reply to Matt Steele  
Cool. Super related to the story.
 
Cathy Watson 
Reply to ralph jacobs
I wasn't better off under Harper. I wonder what the difference is... 
 
David Amos
Reply to Cathy Watson
LOL
 
David Amos
Reply to Matt Steele 
Why did Chretien delete my SIN? 
 
Harvey York
Reply to David Amos 
Why don't you tell us? I have a couple of guesses, but I'd rather you say....
 
David Amos
Reply to Harvey York
Why so shy?
 
David Amos
Reply to Harvey York 
You had no problem destroying 2 political parties in NB Correct?
 
Ralph Linwood 
Reply to Luc Newsome   
Sorry folks - I had Harper on the brain this morning - he did a good job of steering us through a difficult time - the right man for the job.
 
David Amos
Reply to Ralph Linwood  
Yea Right
 
Ralph Linwood 
Reply to David Amos  
A prime minister with a masters degree in economics was the right guy to shepherd us through the 2008 financial crisis. 
 
David Amos
Reply to Ralph Linwood  
If that were true then why did he have me falsely arrested in 2008?
 
David Amos
Reply to Ralph Linwood  
Deja Vu???

Review of Current Investigations and Regulatory Actions Regarding the

Mutual Fund Industry

Date: Thursday, November 20, 2003 Time: 02:00 PM

Topic

The Committee will meet in OPEN SESSION to conduct the second in a

series of hearings on the “Review of Current Investigations and

Regulatory Actions Regarding the Mutual Fund Industry.”

Witnesses

Witness Panel 1

Mr. Stephen M. Cutler

Director - Division of Enforcement

Securities and Exchange Commission

Cutler - November 20, 2003

Mr. Robert Glauber

Chairman and CEO

National Association of Securities Dealers

Glauber - November 20, 2003

Eliot Spitzer

Attorney General

State of New York

Spitzer - November 20, 2003

Ralph Linwood   
Reply to David Amos 
I don't care enough to google it or speculate.
 
David Amos
Reply to Ralph Linwood  
Thats blatantly obvious 
 
Al Clark  
Reply to Matt Steele   
I just KNEW it had to be trudeau, yet again. He is some powerful man. No wonder Preston's minions can't unseat him ;-)
 
Al Clark 
Reply to David Amos  
I thought jesus deleted your sins? 
 
David Amos

Reply to Al Clark 
Hey Aaron say Hoka Hey to your tag team partner Cardy and his old buddy Higgy for me will ya? 
 


Dan Lee  
hmmm.......that 1% is really goin to help..................look ma im gonna be bringing home 1 more slice of bacon........................
 
David Amos
Reply to Dan Lee  
Thats one more than a lot of folks have
 
 
 
SarahRose Werner

 
Mark Trealout 
Reply to SarahRose Werner
all 'living wages' are calculated for a family of four with 2 working adults
 
Vel Oakes 
Reply to Mark Trealout 
Something that is only known by those of us who have read the actual report. IMHO, a fact that should be mentioned in all articles about living wages. Far too many believe that high school students getting their first jobs should be receiving a living wage.
 
MR Cain 
Reply to Mark Trealout 
A living wage is the hourly wage a worker needs to earn to cover their basic expenses and participate in their community.
 
JOhn D Bond 
Reply to Mark Trealout
Really earth shattering but not what I was talking about, do you see the term living wage anywhere in my post? No . But on that note, you are incorrect

The living wage is calculated as the hourly rate at which a household can meet its basic needs. Households can consist of 1 or multiple people.

JOhn D Bond 
Reply to Vel Oakes 
 Perhaps you believe that Vel most know better and there are many non highschoolers in the province being paid minimum wage due to governments failing to maintain equity in the employement laws
 
David Amos
Reply to Mark Trealout  
I wonder what Werner posted
 
 
 
Lauren Indigo   
Stephen Harper was right...we are a culture of defeat...we allow our elected officials to get away with keeping us down. At $15 per hour and a 40 hour work week, after tax, you have $1680.00 a month! Do it Higgs...you're new budget is 1680.00 a month. If you are 'for the people' I challenge you to pay rent, transportation and groceries with this amount. To top it of the provincial and Federal governments allow fly by night colleges to charge massive student loans for jobs that only end up paying minimum wage. They should not be allowed to additionally put people in debt for jobs that do not pay and the job market should not be allowed to require that training unless they pay a higher wage. Period. Everyone takes a cut and no one that wants to honestly work survives.... It is completely disgusting and out of control
 
David Amos
Reply to Lauren Indigo 
I live like a king on that amount 
 
 
 
Louis Leblanc  
People need a living wage, full stop.
 
David Amos
Reply to Louis Leblanc 
Then get a job that pays it 
 
 
 
Daniel Henwell 
It's the price of fuel more than anything else cleaning people's pocketbooks out. Ridiculous it costs $30 or more to fill the Jerry can for your mower. 
 
MR Cain 
Reply to Daniel Henwell 
Pollution costs; should have got an electric mower. 
 
Samual Johnston
Reply to Daniel Henwell  
Agreed - a reduction in some of the Federal and Provincial taxes and fees will go a long ways to helping many 
 
Ralph Linwood 
Reply to Daniel Henwell  
Why waste money and time mowing grass? If gas was too expensive, people would use it more wisely. People should live close to work and walk or ride a bike. 
 
Ralph Linwood 
Reply to Samual Johnston
Programs that teach people how not to waste fuel, water and electricity would be a better idea. 
 
Samual Johnston 
Reply to Ralph Linwood
not at all --- wasting water is not an issue for the clerk at the gas station paying rent nor is wasting electricity or fuel. None of those put $ in your pocket to any degree. well unless you are running the heater or AC too much. Now teaching restraint in terms of Starbucks coffee, liquor, vapping and such may help the bottom line but I don't think that would work. Common sense is hard to come by these days --- can't make rent then don't spend $200 a month on specialty coffee or ....
 
Ralph Linwood 
Reply to Samual Johnston
Agreed. The younger generation has a far higher overhead than my generation in the 90s. We had rent and one landline. We almost never ate out, ordered take out, bought coffee, etc. We didn't have monthly cellphone, internet, music, gaming costs. It is "normal" to spend hundreds of dollars a month on video games. Yet people can not afford a down payment on a house? 
 
David Amos
Reply to Samual Johnston  
Common sense???


One-third of Atlantic Canadian Workers Paid Less than $20 an hour

July 23, 2024

HALIFAX/K’jipuktuk – A new publication, Atlantic Canadians need a raise: One-third of workers earn less than $20 an hour, from the Canadian Centre for Policy Alternatives-Nova Scotia underscores the challenges faced by workers in Atlantic Canada. Data obtained from Statistics Canada show that one-third of workers in Atlantic Canada earn less than $20 an hour. 

“With just over 27,000 workers across the region earning $20 or less an hour, Atlantic Canadians not only deserve a wage—they need one,” says Christine Saulnier, co-author of the report and CCPA-NS director. “Raising the minimum wage to $20 is an important market reset to narrow the gap to living wages.” 

New data from Statistics Canada dispel common misconceptions that those who would benefit from such an increase are predominantly teenagers or students. In reality, the vast majority of these workers are not students, are over twenty, and are employed in permanent, full-time jobs.

Workers in the Atlantic provinces bring home some of the lowest wages in the country. Despite recent increases, Nova Scotia’s minimum wage remains the second lowest among all provinces in Canada. Other Atlantic provinces are not much farther ahead. The report underlines the large gap between current minimum wages in Atlantic Canada and the living wages necessary to afford basic expenses. This gap is expected to grow larger once 2024 living wage rates are calculated. 

The findings highlight the urgent need for steep increases to the minimum wage for workers across Nova Scotia, New Brunswick, Newfoundland and Labrador, and Prince Edward Island.

“Minimum wages are becoming more and more insufficient to meet basic costs of living," co-author Kenya Thompson says. "Provincial governments need to look closely at actual costs working households face—instead of just listening to industry lobbyists—and ensure minimum wages keep pace with these costs as they work to make ends meet.” 

The report, and provincial summaries of the data for each Atlantic province, are available at: https://policyalternatives.ca/AtlanticLowWageWorkers2024

 

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For more information, or to arrange interviews, please contact Kenya Thompson at ccpans@policyalternatives.ca or (778) 581-2057 (cell).

The Nova Scotia office of the CCPA opened its doors in 1999. With the help of our loyal supporters and research associates, we continue to raise debate and propose policy alternatives that will get us closer to achieving an economically and socially just—as well as environmentally sustainable—province and Atlantic region.


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From: David Amos <motomaniac333@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2015 15:54:44 -0400
Subject: Whereas the purported "Progressive Conservatives" Tim Hudak
and Christine Elliott never felt that I was worth talking to perhaps
they should talk to each other about your pals Jenni Byrne, Paul
Godfrey and Derek Burney EH Stevey Boy Harper?
To: tim.hudakco@pc.ola.org, christine.elliottco@pc.ola.org, premier
<premier@ontario.ca>, pm <pm@pm.gc.ca>, "peter.mackay"
<peter.mackay@justice.gc.ca>, derek.burney@nortonrosefulbright.com,
aradwanski@globeandmail.com, kmcparland@nationalpost.com,
ggiorno@fasken.com, "ht.lacroix" <ht.lacroix@cbc.ca>, jesse
<jesse@jessebrown.ca>, "paul.dewar.a1" <paul.dewar.a1@parl.gc.ca>,
"Paul.Collister" <Paul.Collister@rcmp-grc.gc.ca>, "paul.looker"
<paul.looker@rcmp-grc.gc.ca>, "Paul.Harpelle" <Paul.Harpelle@gnb.ca>
Cc: David Amos <david.raymond.amos@gmail.com>

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/meet-the-woman-driving-harpers-re-election-campaign/article24699535/

Harper’s enforcer: Meet Jenni Byrne, the most powerful woman in Ottawa
Add to ...
Adam Radwanski The Globe and Mail Published Friday, May 29, 2015 8:00PM EDT

"As Tim Hudak prepared for his second and final shot at becoming
Ontario’s premier, the word went out through Conservative circles in
the nation’s capital: Do not help this man.

Mr. Hudak, then the leader of the provincial Progressive
Conservatives, was a kindred spirit set to run on a right-wing agenda.
He had a decent shot at knocking off a Liberal incumbent with whom
Stephen Harper had a frosty relationship. And after more than a decade
in the political wilderness, his Tories badly needed organizational
support from federal cousins who had recently been in the business of
winning.

Before Mr. Hudak’s first election leading his party, in 2011, such
support was forthcoming. The federal Conservatives lent experienced
campaign managers for target ridings, shared their volunteer lists,
and helped raise money. They even let the provincial Tories use a
campaign bus.

But on the final day of that election campaign, before the votes were
even counted, Mr. Hudak made a bad mistake that went a long way toward
souring his relationship with the federal party: He fired his chief of
staff, Lynette Corbett.

Mixed views about whether Ms. Corbett deserved to be let go, after a
behind-the-scenes power struggle among Mr. Hudak’s senior officials,
are beside the point.

What matters is that she’s among the very best friends of Jenni Byrne.

There are only a few backroom operators in this country whose bad side
needs to be avoided at all costs. And Ms. Byrne – the Prime Minister’s
campaign manager, his enforcer, his primary connection to his party’s
grassroots, and one of his longest-serving loyalists – is most
emphatically one of them.

“Pretty much from the day Lynette was fired, we couldn’t get a phone
call returned,” recalls a senior member of Mr. Hudak’s campaign team.
“It pretty quickly became clear this wasn’t an issue to be managed. It
was a fact to be accepted.”

Never mind central support; all but the bravest federal Conservatives
were reluctant even to be seen at a Hudak fundraiser, for fear of what
it would do to their careers.

It is unclear whether Mr. Harper was fully aware that his party was
choking off resources to Mr. Hudak; if he was, he didn’t much care.
Such is the leeway afforded to the woman who claimed credit for
steering the Prime Minister to majority government, and whom he will
be counting on to help him hold on to it in this year’s federal
campaign."




----- Original Message -----
From: BARRY WINTERS <sunrayzulu@shaw.ca>
Date: Thu, 14 May 2015 14:17:21 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: Re: Attn Christine Elliott as soon as I saw that Paul Godfrey
and Derek Burney were behind the lawyer Patrick Brown I understood the
game Did You?
To: David Amos <david.raymond.amos@gmail.com>
Cc: David Amos <motomaniac333@gmail.com>, annette boucher
<annette.boucher@novascotia.ca>, boucheam@gov.ns.ca, Dana doiron
<Dana.doiron@novascotia.ca>, blake@frankmagazine.ca,
comment@contrarian.ca, HANSENCE@gov.ns.ca, Parker Donham
<parker@donham.ca>, mail@trinetraproductions.com, Glen Canning
<grcanning@gmail.com>, Glen Muise <glenmuise1000@gmail.com>,
obsceneworks@gmail.com, gord@gordgamble.com, greenhkh@gov.ns.ca,
"jim.david" <jim.david@pcparty.ns.ca>, Legc office
<Legc.office@novascotia.ca>, Neil Ferguson
<Neil.Ferguson@novascotia.ca>

To all addressees. Please be advised David Amos is a wanted sex
offender with outstanding warrants in the United States




On 5/13/15, Elliott-co, Christine < christine.elliottco@pc.ola.org > wrote:

Mr. Amos.  I am writing to acknowledge receipt of the 2 emails that you have
forwarded to Ms. Elliott's office.  I will bring them to her attention at
the earliest opportunity.

Constituency Staff
Office of Christine Elliott
MPP, Whitby-Oshawa



---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: David Amos < motomaniac333@gmail.com >
Date: Wed, May 13, 2015 at 10:31 AM
Subject: Attn Christine Elliott as soon as I saw that Paul Godfrey and
Derek Burney were behind the lawyer Patrick Brown I understood the
game Did You?
To: christine.elliottco@pc.ola.org , christine@christineelliott.ca ,
derek.burney@nortonrosefulbright.com , christina.blizzard@sunmedia.ca
, premier < premier@ontario.ca >, pm < pm@pm.gc.ca >, premier <
premier@gov.ab.ca >, premier < premier@gnb.ca >, PREMIER <
PREMIER@gov.ns.ca >, premier < premier@gov.bc.ca >, premier <
premier@leg.gov.mb.ca >, premier < premier@gov.pe.ca >, premier <
premier@gov.sk.ca >, premier < premier@gov.nl.ca >
Cc: David Amos < david.raymond.amos@gmail.com >

FYI I just got off the phone with Brown's office in Ottawa on his last
day as an MP and his staff rememberd me.

http://www.christineelliott.ca/meet_christine

My big question to you is do you even remember me?

Here is a clue

http://davidamos.blogspot.ca/2006/05/harper-and-bankers.html

-----Original Message-----
From: David Amos [mailto:motomaniac333@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2015 9:32 AM
To: Elliott-co, Christine; christine@christineelliott.ca;
derek.burney@nortonrosefulbright.com; christina.blizzard@sunmedia.ca;
premier; pm; premier; premier; PREMIER; premier; premier; premier;
premier; premier
Cc: David Amos
Subject: Fwd: RE I just called Pat Martin and Brad Butt about
Commissioner Joe Friday and his testimony before the OGGO Committee on
April 28th

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: David Amos <motomaniac333@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 1 May 2015 17:22:09 -0400
Subject: RE I just called Pat Martin and Brad Butt about Commissioner
Joe Friday and his testimony before the OGGO Committee on April 28th
To: pm@pm.gc.ca, Lampron.Raynald@psic-ispc.gc.ca,
Friday.Joe@psic-ispc.gc.ca, lachapelle.edith@psic-ispc.gc.ca,
brad.butt@parl.gc.ca, pat.martin@parl.gc.ca, OGGO@parl.gc.ca,
manon.hardy@chrc-ccdp.ca, "Gilles.Moreau"
<Gilles.Moreau@rcmp-grc.gc.ca>, "Gilles.Blinn"
<Gilles.Blinn@rcmp-grc.gc.ca>
Cc: David Amos <david.raymond.amos@gmail.com>, "David.Coon"
<David.Coon@gnb.ca>, "Stephen.Horsman" <Stephen.Horsman@gnb.ca>

http://parlvu.parl.gc.ca/PARLVU/ContentEntityDetailView.aspx?contententityid=12872&date=20150401&lang=en


http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/tanya-granic-allen-ontario-pc-leadership-1.4538156

Debate proves Tanya Granic Allen will be a factor in Ontario PC leadership race
Allen promises to speak for people who oppose 'the Kathleen Wynne sex-ed agenda'

By Mike Crawley, CBC News Posted: Feb 16, 2018 6:00 AM ET

While the big-name candidates in the Ontario PC leadership played it
safe during the first debate of the contest, they let Tanya Granic
Allen steal the show.

Granic Allen put in by far the feistiest performance of the hour-long
televised event, taking shots at former leader Patrick Brown, calling
out "corruption" in the PC party and showing no fear of jumping into
any topic.

    Three key moments from the PC leadership debate
    Sex ed curriculum at issue in PC leadership race

"I'm here to be a grassroots voice for... people who are opposed to
the Kathleen Wynne sex-ed agenda, pro-lifers, free-speech advocates
and other social conservatives," declared Granic Allen as the debate
began. In the hour that followed, she more than held her own against
Christine Elliott, Doug Ford and Caroline Mulroney, firmly
establishing herself as a factor in the race.

It's a sign that social conservatives intend to have an influence over
who becomes the next PC leader, and possibly the next premier.

Granic Allen's support base cannot be insignificant: she said she was
able to generate the $100,000 entry fee to the contest through
donations. She is president of the group Parents As First Educators,
which claims 80,000 members. The group describes itself as a "leader
in the fight" against a "radical sex-ed curriculum in Ontario."
ONT Opposition Debate 20180215

Ontario Conservative party leadership candidates Tanya Granic Allen,
left to right, Christine Elliott, Doug Ford and Caroline Mulroney are
seen in TVO studios in Toronto on Thursday, February 15, 2018
following a televised debate. (Chris Young/Canadian Press)

Her candidacy means that sex-ed and other social conservative issues
are now high on the agenda among the Progressive Conservatives as the
party decides who should lead it into the spring election campaign.

Brown won the 2015 leadership race in part by courting social
conservatives, but then tried to steer the party in a different
direction. That about-face taught Granic Allen a lesson, she said in a
letter to supporters last week, aiming to raise money to run for the
leadership.

    Sex-ed opponent joins Ontario PC leadership race

"When it comes to these leadership contests, we are far better off
supporting candidates who we can trust and who will speak out on our
issues," she wrote. "We have to make sure the social conservative
voice is being respected."

Granic Allen insists she is not a single-issue candidate. But during
the debate she kept raising sex ed, even when moderator Steve Paikin
tried to steer her toward other aspects of the school system.
ONT Opposition Debate 20180215

Caroline Mulroney supporters gather outside TVO studios in Toronto
ahead of the televised debate between the four Ontario PC party
leadership candidates. (Chris Young/Canadian Press)

"I have to talk about the sex ed, it's my number one priority," she said.

"What else in education today needs improving that you've got your eye
on?" asked Paikin. "Sex ed isn't going to improve math scores, so tell
me about something else."

    New information raises questions about allegations against Brown

Granic Allen's reply: "Maybe they will focus more on math if they're
not talking about anal sex in the classroom."

None of the candidates challenged her directly on that assertion.

Rather, Ford and Elliott agreed that they, too, have problems with the
sex-ed reforms.
Ont Opposition Debate 150218

Ontario PC leadership candidate Doug Ford. (Chris Young/Canadian Press)

"I believe in teaching your kids at home first when it comes to this,"
said Ford, slamming "the Liberal ideology that's trying to be shoved
down our throats with the sex-ed curriculum."

Elliott questioned the "age appropriateness" of some of the
curriculum. "Maybe something that children are learning in Grade 2
now, they should learn in Grade 8 or 9 or 10."

She also claimed the curriculum "doesn't cover ... cyberbullying and
sexting and all those things related to technology." In fact, both are
specifically mentioned in the elementary and secondary health and
phys-ed curricula.

Mulroney is the only candidate opposed to scrapping the sex-ed
reforms. "I commit to consulting parents on all things that affect
families and children, but I am not going to reopen the curriculum,"
said Mulroney, who identified herself as Roman Catholic during the
debate.
Ont Opposition Debate 150218

Ontario PC leadership candidate Christine Elliott (Chris Young/Canadian Press)

Granic Allen made her presence felt throughout the hour. She dismissed
the federal carbon tax as a "cockamamie idea" hatched by Prime
Minister Justin Trudeau. She said the PC party's campaign platform,
called the People's Guarantee, "died the day Patrick Brown resigned."
She wrapped by slamming Ontario's ban on so-called conversion therapy,
aimed at changing the sexual orientation or gender identity of young
people.

Given the ranked-ballot system the PCs are using, the three big-name
candidates will be reluctant to attack Granic Allen: if she is knocked
off the ballot first, Mulroney, Ford and Elliott will all hope to be
her supporters' number-two choice. And that could drive the Ontario PC
party further toward a social conservatism that Patrick Brown
rejected.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

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