RE Mental health workers and crisis calls content deactivated – Oh My My Perhaps Madame Campbell and I should talk
Mary Ann Campbell<mcampbel@unb.ca> | Tue, Aug 8, 2023 at 9:09 AM |
To: David Amos <david.raymond.amos333@gmail.com> | |
I am currently on sabbatical from UNB from
July 1, 2023 to June 30, 2024. I may be slow responding to emails
as a result. For all academic advising, course, or program inquires,
please contact the Psychology Department administrative assistant, Laura
Devlin at galbral@unb.ca or 1-506-648-5640
and she will direct you accordingly.
For matters related to my private psychological practice, please contact my private practice email at mcamp735@gmail.com. For mental health emergencies, please call 911, or attend your local emergency department, or call the Mobile Mental Health Crisis service at 1-888-811-3664, or contact telehealth at 811. Dr. Campbell Mary Ann Campbell, PhD, L.Psych (NB), R.Psych(NS) Full Professor, Department of Psychology Director, Centre for Criminal Justice Studies University of New Brunswick, Saint John Campus PO Box 5050 Saint John, New Brunswick Canada, E2L 4L5 Phone: 1-506-648-5969 |
Robert J Moir<rmoir@unb.ca> | Tue, Aug 8, 2023 at 9:09 AM |
To: David Amos <david.raymond.amos333@gmail.com> | |
Happy
Summer. I am off on a working vacation seeing friends and making new
friends as we begin a large research project. I will have little to no
contact with e-mail until July 17 and, upon my return I head into a
Faculty Retreat until late on July 19. If you must
get in contact with me before that, please connect with Krista Lewis in
the Faculty of Business. You may want to resend (July 20 or later) any
messages you have sent during this period, as I'll be playing catch up
for a bit. Cheers! |
Moore, Rob - M.P.<Rob.Moore@parl.gc.ca> | Tue, Aug 8, 2023 at 9:09 AM |
To: David Amos <david.raymond.amos333@gmail.com> | |
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Saint John police use less force when mental health workers come along to crisis calls
People in mental distress are less triggered when they see a clinician with a cop, says staff sergeant
Psychology professor Mary Ann Campbell evaluated more than 300 crisis calls and interviewed 30 officers over a three-year period starting in February 2020.
That's when the Department of Social Development launched a pilot project in Saint John with $900,000 to support what it called "integrated mobile crisis response teams." The teams included people with specialized training to assess mental health conditions when and where police needed them.
Campbell said sending along a health-care provider, whether a trained nurse or social worker, also resulted in fewer people being taken involuntarily to hospital, fewer people being being held in police custody and better use of community resources.
Mary Ann Campbell, director of the Centre for Criminal Justice Studies at the University of New Brunswick Saint John, says she’s developing mental health crisis response training for police across New Brunswick. (Graham Thompson/CBC)
"It leads to safer outcomes for the clients being served by the officers but also for the officers," said Campbell, who is developing training for police across New Brunswick.
The training will give officers more skills to de-escalate tense situations involving people in severe mental distress.
The 2020 deaths of Chantel Moore and Rodney Levi during police interventions led to strong recommendations from two New Brunswick coroner's juries, calling for better police training and better use of mobile crisis teams.
Moore, 26, was shot and killed by an Edmundston police officer who went to her apartment on June 4 to conduct a wellness check.
On June 12, Rodney Levi, of the Metepenagiag Mi'kmaq Nation, was shot twice in the chest by an RCMP officer at a home about 15 kilometres west of Miramichi.
"It behooves us to make sure we have the best possible response options available to mitigate dangerous life-impacting outcomes," said Campbell.
"When you have crisis response clinicians or officers that are well-trained in crisis, responding to a call, you do have safer outcomes."
Mental health care provider on call 7 days a week
The pilot project in Saint John started with a service model that paired one police officer with one nurse as a specialized team that went to calls where a person's behaviour indicated they were in mental distress.
One of the most common occurrences among the 306 calls studied was talk of suicide. Some people showed signs of paranoia and aggression.
"Or even being agitated or potentially psychotic and experiencing symptoms where they're hallucinating or delusional," Campbell said.
The model changed in 2021 so that the mental health care provider, either a trained nurse or social worker, would be available at the station from 11 a.m. to 11 p.m., seven days a week.
Chantel Moore, 26, and Rodney Levi, 48, were shot and killed by police in New Brunswick eight days apart. CBC has permission from Moore's family to use this photo. (CBC)
They could support any officer who felt their skills were needed.
An outreach worker attached to the team also works Monday to Friday, starting at 8:30 a.m., and they can be called to see people upon request from the police.
Staff Sgt. Dwayne Hussey said it has a calming effect when a non-uniformed person with specialized training is present.
He said that's especially true for people who have already been apprehended by the police.
"When they see a police officer responding, they know they're in crisis," Hussey said. "And that can trigger very negative emotions and it can heighten the situation.
"It's very useful to have mental-health clinicians who are trained to recognize what kind of situation the person is dealing with. They have better skills in bringing that person down, and they're also going to have a different relationship with these individuals so they can decrease the tension."
BEI Quebec investigators outside Chantel Moore’s Edmundston apartment on June 5. (Bernard LeBel/Radio-Canada)
The people in the role of mental health care provider are all employed by Horizon Health in addiction and mental health services or emergency services and can help the person access health, community and mental health resources that may be relevant for followup care.
Campbell said no weapons were used in any of the 306 calls she examined.
"Use of force was very uncommon," she said. "But when it did happen, it was more likely to happen in a police-only condition."
"And at that threshold, it was just usually handcuffs or using some kind of physical movement on the person you're putting your hands on, to direct them."
Fewer people detained
Under New Brunswick's Mental Health Act, people whose mental illness puts them or others at substantial risk of imminent physical or psychological harm, after being evaluated by a physician, can be detained in hospital involuntarily for 72 hours.
"When police respond to people in crisis, the crisis can be so elevated that we're forced to take some action," Hussey said. "Sometimes that means we're taking a person into custody against their will and taking them to a place where they can be evaluated."
Campbell’s report says one of the most common concerns identified in crisis calls to police is a person talking about suicide. (Graham Thompson/CBC)
"That process can be very lengthy. They go into hospital and they have to be seen by a physician to be cleared medically before being seen by a psychiatrist, and our officers would be tied up for a significant amount of time."
With the crisis team approach, people can be seen in the field, without being taken into the station or into the hospital, Hussey said.
"That frees up police resources and makes it less bothersome for the clients who are seeking services."
The study of crisis teams found people who were arrested were less likely to be detained in police custody.
"When a clinician was present, [the police] were less likely to keep them in cells until their court hearing, and so they were able to release them under their own care and reconnaissance," Campbell said.
Campbell said her report has been shared with the Health Department and the program in Saint John is expected to continue.
She said police are now being trained in how to recognize a person is in a mental health crisis. They're also learning communication and response options that will help them respond to calls effectively and as safely as possible for themselves and the people in distress.
Campbell said this will help the officers even when a clinician is not present.
All new officers coming out of the Atlantic Police Academy have been getting similar training.
"Eventually over the next year or so, it will be rolled out across the province," she said.
Saint John mental health calls up 40% since 2018
Of the 306 crisis calls that Campbell examined, talk of suicide was a factor in half of them. Suspected intoxication was also a factor in about one call in every four.
About 75 per cent of the calls involved people who had prior contact with the police or addictions and mental health services.
Hussey said Saint John police have been dealing with an increase in mental health crisis calls since before the pandemic.
"Between 2018 and 2019 there was an increase of about 20 per cent," he said. "Since 2018 and today it's about a 40 per cent increase in mental health related calls, which is quite significant."
Being able to call upon people with more specialized training has been a step in the right direction, he said.
We know crime in NB is increasing, our police on the surface appear to be understaffed.
Context of crime in context of damage/theft to property, violent crimes or suspected domestic abuse. Of those categories, what are the % of mental health calls. Are there different trends dependent on type type of mental health issue the individual has.
We certainly want to minimize as much unnecessary force by police as we can. But we also need to look at the big picture in NB, for all interactions and understand the trade offs being made.
>>>>>> ---------- Original message ----------
>>>>>> From: Justice Website <JUSTWEB@novascotia.ca>
>>>>>> Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2017 14:21:11 +0000
>>>>>> Subject: Emails to Department of Justice and Province of Nova Scotia
>>>>>> To: "motomaniac333@gmail.com" <motomaniac333@gmail.com>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mr. Amos,
>>>>>> We acknowledge receipt of your recent emails to the Deputy Minister
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> Justice and lawyers within the Legal Services Division of the
>>>>>> Department of Justice respecting a possible claim against the
>>>>>> Province
>>>>>> of Nova Scotia. Service of any documents respecting a legal claim
>>>>>> against the Province of Nova Scotia may be served on the Attorney
>>>>>> General at 1690 Hollis Street, Halifax, NS. Please note that we will
>>>>>> not be responding to further emails on this matter.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Department of Justice
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ---------- Original message ----------
>>>>>> From: David Amos motomaniac333@gmail.com
>>>>>> Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2017 15:16:38 -0400
>>>>>> Subject: Attn Laura Lee Langley, Karen Hudson and Joanne Munro I just
>>>>>> called all three of your offices to inform you of my next lawsuit
>>>>>> against Nova Scotia
>>>>>> To: LauraLee.Langley@novascotia.ca
>>>>>> Joanne.Munro@novascotia.ca
>>>>>> Cc: David Amos david.raymond.amos@gmail.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://novascotia.ca/exec_
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://novascotia.ca/exec_
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Laura Lee Langley
>>>>>> 1700 Granville Street, 5th Floor
>>>>>> One Government Place
>>>>>> Halifax, Nova Scotia B3J 1X5
>>>>>> Phone: (902) 424-8940
>>>>>> Fax: (902) 424-0667
>>>>>> Email: LauraLee.Langley@novascotia.ca
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://novascotia.ca/just/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Karen Hudson Q.C.
>>>>>> 1690 Hollis Street, 7th Floor
>>>>>> Joseph Howe Building
>>>>>> Halifax, NS B3J 3J9
>>>>>> Phone: (902) 424-4223
>>>>>> Fax: (902) 424-0510
>>>>>> Email: Karen.Hudson@novascotia.ca
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://novascotia.ca/sns/ceo.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Joanne Munro:
>>>>>> 1505 Barrington Street, 14-South
>>>>>> Maritime Centre
>>>>>> Halifax, Nova Scotia B3J 3K5
>>>>>> Phone: (902) 424-4089
>>>>>> Fax: (902) 424-5510
>>>>>> Email: Joanne.Munro@novascotia.ca
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you don't wish to speak to me before I begin litigation then I
>>>>>> suspect the Integrity Commissioner New Brunswick or the Federal Crown
>>>>>> Counsel can explain the email below and the documents hereto attached
>>>>>> to you and your Premier etc.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Veritas Vincit
>>>>>> David Raymond Amos
>>>>>> 902 800 0369
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>>>> From: David Amos motomaniac333@gmail.com
>>>>>> Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2017 09:32:09 -0400
>>>>>> Subject: Attn Integrity Commissioner Alexandre Deschênes, Q.C.,
>>>>>> To: coi@gnb.ca
>>>>>> Cc: david.raymond.amos@gmail.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Good Day Sir
>>>>>>
>>>>>> After I heard you speak on CBC I called your office again and managed
>>>>>> to speak to one of your staff for the first time
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Please find attached the documents I promised to send to the lady who
>>>>>> answered the phone this morning. Please notice that not after the Sgt
>>>>>> at Arms took the documents destined to your office his pal Tanker
>>>>>> Malley barred me in writing with an "English" only document.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> These are the hearings and the dockets in Federal Court that I
>>>>>> suggested that you study closely.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This is the docket in Federal Court
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://cas-cdc-www02.cas-satj.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> These are digital recordings of the last three hearings
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dec 14th https://archive.org/details/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> January 11th, 2016 https://archive.org/details/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> April 3rd, 2017
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://archive.org/details/
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This is the docket in the Federal Court of Appeal
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://cas-cdc-www02.cas-satj.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The only hearing thus far
>>>>>>
>>>>>> May 24th, 2017
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://archive.org/details/
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This Judge understnds the meaning of the word Integrity
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Date: 20151223
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Docket: T-1557-15
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Fredericton, New Brunswick, December 23, 2015
>>>>>>
>>>>>> PRESENT: The Honourable Mr. Justice Bell
>>>>>>
>>>>>> BETWEEN:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> DAVID RAYMOND AMOS
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Plaintiff
>>>>>>
>>>>>> and
>>>>>>
>>>>>> HER MAJESTY THE QUEEN
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Defendant
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ORDER
>>>>>>
>>>>>> (Delivered orally from the Bench in Fredericton, New Brunswick, on
>>>>>> December 14, 2015)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The Plaintiff seeks an appeal de novo, by way of motion pursuant to
>>>>>> the Federal Courts Rules (SOR/98-106), from an Order made on November
>>>>>> 12, 2015, in which Prothonotary Morneau struck the Statement of Claim
>>>>>> in its entirety.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> At the outset of the hearing, the Plaintiff brought to my attention a
>>>>>> letter dated September 10, 2004, which he sent to me, in my then
>>>>>> capacity as Past President of the New Brunswick Branch of the
>>>>>> Canadian
>>>>>> Bar Association, and the then President of the Branch, Kathleen
>>>>>> Quigg,
>>>>>> (now a Justice of the New Brunswick Court of Appeal). In that letter
>>>>>> he stated:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As for your past President, Mr. Bell, may I suggest that you check
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> work of Frank McKenna before I sue your entire law firm including
>>>>>> you.
>>>>>> You are your brother’s keeper.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Frank McKenna is the former Premier of New Brunswick and a former
>>>>>> colleague of mine at the law firm of McInnes Cooper. In addition to
>>>>>> expressing an intention to sue me, the Plaintiff refers to a number
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> people in his Motion Record who he appears to contend may be
>>>>>> witnesses
>>>>>> or potential parties to be added. Those individuals who are known to
>>>>>> me personally, include, but are not limited to the former Prime
>>>>>> Minister of Canada, The Right Honourable Stephen Harper; former
>>>>>> Attorney General of Canada and now a Justice of the Manitoba Court of
>>>>>> Queen’s Bench, Vic Toews; former member of Parliament Rob Moore;
>>>>>> former Director of Policing Services, the late Grant Garneau; former
>>>>>> Chief of the Fredericton Police Force, Barry McKnight; former Staff
>>>>>> Sergeant Danny Copp; my former colleagues on the New Brunswick Court
>>>>>> of Appeal, Justices Bradley V. Green and Kathleen Quigg, and, retired
>>>>>> Assistant Commissioner Wayne Lang of the Royal Canadian Mounted
>>>>>> Police.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In the circumstances, given the threat in 2004 to sue me in my
>>>>>> personal capacity and my past and present relationship with many
>>>>>> potential witnesses and/or potential parties to the litigation, I am
>>>>>> of the view there would be a reasonable apprehension of bias should I
>>>>>> hear this motion. See Justice de Grandpré’s dissenting judgment in
>>>>>> Committee for Justice and Liberty et al v National Energy Board et
>>>>>> al,
>>>>>> [1978] 1 SCR 369 at p 394 for the applicable test regarding
>>>>>> allegations of bias. In the circumstances, although neither party has
>>>>>> requested I recuse myself, I consider it appropriate that I do so.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> AS A RESULT OF MY RECUSAL, THIS COURT ORDERS that the Administrator
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> the Court schedule another date for the hearing of the motion. There
>>>>>> is no order as to costs.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> “B. Richard Bell”
>>>>>> Judge
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Below after the CBC article about your concerns (I made one comment
>>>>>> already) you will find the text of just two of many emails I had sent
>>>>>> to your office over the years since I first visited it in 2006.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I noticed that on July 30, 2009, he was appointed to the the Court
>>>>>> Martial Appeal Court of Canada Perhaps you should scroll to the
>>>>>> bottom of this email ASAP and read the entire Paragraph 83 of my
>>>>>> lawsuit now before the Federal Court of Canada?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "FYI This is the text of the lawsuit that should interest Trudeau the
>>>>>> most
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://davidraymondamos3.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 83 The Plaintiff states that now that Canada is involved in more war
>>>>>> in Iraq again it did not serve Canadian interests and reputation to
>>>>>> allow Barry Winters to publish tlhe following words three times over
>>>>>> five years after he began his bragging:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> January 13, 2015
>>>>>> This Is Just AS Relevant Now As When I wrote It During The Debate
>>>>>>
>>>>>> December 8, 2014
>>>>>> Why Canada Stood Tall!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Friday, October 3, 2014
>>>>>> Little David Amos’ “True History Of War” Canadian Airstrikes And
>>>>>> Stupid Justin Trudeau?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Vertias Vincit
>>>>>> David Raymond Amos
>>>>>> 902 800 0369
>>>>>>
>>>>>> P.S. Whereas this CBC article is about your opinion of the actions of
>>>>>> the latest Minister Of Health trust that Mr Boudreau and the CBC have
>>>>>> had my files for many years and the last thing they are is ethical.
>>>>>> Ask his friends Mr Murphy and the RCMP if you don't believe me.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Subject:
>>>>>> Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 12:02:35 -0400
>>>>>> From: "Murphy, Michael B. \(DH/MS\)" MichaelB.Murphy@gnb.ca
>>>>>> To: motomaniac_02186@yahoo.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>> January 30, 2007
>>>>>>
>>>>>> WITHOUT PREJUDICE
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mr. David Amos
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dear Mr. Amos:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This will acknowledge receipt of a copy of your e-mail of December
>>>>>> 29,
>>>>>> 2006 to Corporal Warren McBeath of the RCMP.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Because of the nature of the allegations made in your message, I have
>>>>>> taken the measure of forwarding a copy to Assistant Commissioner
>>>>>> Steve
>>>>>> Graham of the RCMP “J” Division in Fredericton.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Honourable Michael B. Murphy
>>>>>> Minister of Health
>>>>>>
>>>>>> CM/cb
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Warren McBeath warren.mcbeath@rcmp-grc.gc.ca wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 17:34:53 -0500
>>>>>> From: "Warren McBeath" warren.mcbeath@rcmp-grc.gc.ca
>>>>>> To: kilgoursite@ca.inter.net, MichaelB.Murphy@gnb.ca,
>>>>>> nada.sarkis@gnb.ca, wally.stiles@gnb.ca, dwatch@web.net,
>>>>>> motomaniac_02186@yahoo.com
>>>>>> CC: ottawa@chuckstrahl.com, riding@chuckstrahl.com,John.
>>>>>> Oda.B@parl.gc.ca,"Bev BUSSON" bev.busson@rcmp-grc.gc.ca,
>>>>>> "Paul Dube" PAUL.DUBE@rcmp-grc.gc.ca
>>>>>> Subject: Re: Remember me Kilgour? Landslide Annie McLellan has
>>>>>> forgotten me but the crooks within the RCMP have not
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dear Mr. Amos,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thank you for your follow up e-mail to me today. I was on days off
>>>>>> over the holidays and returned to work this evening. Rest assured I
>>>>>> was not ignoring or procrastinating to respond to your concerns.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As your attachment sent today refers from Premier Graham, our
>>>>>> position
>>>>>> is clear on your dead calf issue: Our forensic labs do not process
>>>>>> testing on animals in cases such as yours, they are referred to the
>>>>>> Atlantic Veterinary College in Charlottetown who can provide these
>>>>>> services. If you do not choose to utilize their expertise in this
>>>>>> instance, then that is your decision and nothing more can be done.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As for your other concerns regarding the US Government, false
>>>>>> imprisonment and Federal Court Dates in the US, etc... it is clear
>>>>>> that Federal authorities are aware of your concerns both in Canada
>>>>>> the US. These issues do not fall into the purvue of Detachment
>>>>>> and policing in Petitcodiac, NB.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It was indeed an interesting and informative conversation we had on
>>>>>> December 23rd, and I wish you well in all of your future endeavors.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Warren McBeath, Cpl.
>>>>>> GRC Caledonia RCMP
>>>>>> Traffic Services NCO
>>>>>> Ph: (506) 387-2222
>>>>>> Fax: (506) 387-4622
>>>>>> E-mail warren.mcbeath@rcmp-grc.gc.ca
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.archive.org/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.archive.org/
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> FEDERAL EXPRES February 7, 2006
>>>>>> Senator Arlen Specter
>>>>>> United States Senate
>>>>>> Committee on the Judiciary
>>>>>> 224 Dirksen Senate Office Building
>>>>>> Washington, DC 20510
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dear Mr. Specter:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have been asked to forward the enclosed tapes to you from a man
>>>>>> named, David Amos, a Canadian citizen, in connection with the matters
>>>>>> raised in the attached letter. Mr. Amos has represented to me that
>>>>>> these are illegal FBI wire tap tapes. I believe Mr. Amos has been in
>>>>>> contact
>>>>>> with you about this previously.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Very truly yours,
>>>>>> Barry A. Bachrach
>>>>>> Direct telephone: (508) 926-3403
>>>>>> Direct facsimile: (508) 929-3003
>>>>>> Email: bbachrach@bowditch.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Alexandre Deschênes, Q.C.,
>>>>>> Office of the Integrity Commissioner
>>>>>> Edgecombe House, 736 King Street
>>>>>> Fredericton, N.B. CANADA E3B 5H1
>>>>>> tel.: 506-457-7890
>>>>>> fax: 506-444-5224
>>>>>> e-mail:coi@gnb.ca
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hon. Alexandre Deschênes, Q.C.
>>>>>> Integrity Commissioner
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hon. Alexandre Deschênes, Q.C., who resides in Bathurst, N.B., is a
>>>>>> native of Kedgwick, N.B., and is married to Huguette (Savoie)
>>>>>> Deschênes. They have two sons.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> He studied at Saint-Joseph University (now Université de Moncton)
>>>>>> from
>>>>>> 1960 to 1962, University of Ottawa from 1962-1965 (B.A.), and
>>>>>> University of New Brunswick (LL.B., 1968). He was admitted to the Law
>>>>>> Society of New Brunswick in 1968. He was legal counsel to the
>>>>>> Department of Justice in Fredericton from 1968 to 1971. He was in
>>>>>> private practice from 1972 to 1982 and specialized in civil
>>>>>> litigation
>>>>>> as a partner in the law firm of Michaud, Leblanc, Robichaud, and
>>>>>> Deschênes. While residing in Shediac, N.B., he served on town council
>>>>>> and became the first president of the South East Economic Commission.
>>>>>> He is a past president of the Richelieu Club in Shediac.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In 1982, he was appointed a judge of the Court of Queen’s Bench of
>>>>>> New
>>>>>> Brunswick and of the Court of Appeal of New Brunswick in 2000.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On July 30, 2009, he was appointed to the Court Martial Appeal Court
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> Canada.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> While on the Court of Appeal of New Brunswick, he was appointed
>>>>>> President of the provincial Judicial Council and in 2012 Chairperson
>>>>>> of the Federal Electoral Boundaries Commission for the Province of
>>>>>> New
>>>>>> Brunswick for the 2015 federal election.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> He was appointed Conflict of Interest Commissioner in December 2016
>>>>>> and became New Brunswick’s first Integrity Commissioner on December
>>>>>> 16, 2016 with responsibilities for conflict of interest issues
>>>>>> related
>>>>>> to Members of the Legislative Assembly. As of April 1, 2017 he
>>>>>> supervises lobbyists of public office holders under the Lobbyists’
>>>>>> Registration Act.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As of September 1, 2017, he will be assuming the functions presently
>>>>>> held by the Access to Information and Privacy Commissioner.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ---------- Original message ----------
>>>>>> From: Póstur FOR <postur@for.is>
>>>>>> Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2016 22:05:47 +0000
>>>>>> Subject: Re: Hey Premier Gallant please inform the questionable
>>>>>> parliamentarian Birigtta Jonsdottir that although NB is a small "Have
>>>>>> Not" province at least we have twice the population of Iceland and
>>>>>> that not all of us are as dumb as she and her Prime Minister pretends
>>>>>> to be..
>>>>>> To: David Amos <motomaniac333@gmail.com>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Erindi þitt hefur verið móttekið / Your request has been received
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Kveðja / Best regards
>>>>>> Forsætisráðuneytið / Prime Minister's Office
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ---------- Original message ----------
>>>>>> From: Póstur IRR <postur@irr.is>
>>>>>> Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2016 22:05:47 +0000
>>>>>> Subject: Re: Hey Premier Gallant please inform the questionable
>>>>>> parliamentarian Birigtta Jonsdottir that although NB is a small "Have
>>>>>> Not" province at least we have twice the population of Iceland and
>>>>>> that not all of us are as dumb as she and her Prime Minister pretends
>>>>>> to be..
>>>>>> To: David Amos <motomaniac333@gmail.com>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Erindi þitt hefur verið móttekið. / Your request has been received.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Kveðja / Best regards
>>>>>> Innanríkisráðuneytið / Ministry of the Interior
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>>>> From: "Gallant, Premier Brian (PO/CPM)" <Brian.Gallant@gnb.ca>
>>>>>> Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2016 21:39:17 +0000
>>>>>> Subject: RE: After crossing paths with them bigtime in 2004 Davey
>>>>>> Baby
>>>>>> Coon and his many Green Meanie and Fake Left cohorts know why I won't
>>>>>> hold my breath waiting for them to act with any semblance of
>>>>>> integrity
>>>>>> now N'esy Pas Chucky Leblanc??
>>>>>> To: David Amos <motomaniac333@gmail.com>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thank you for writing to the Premier of New Brunswick.
>>>>>> Please be assured that your email has been received, will be
>>>>>> reviewed,
>>>>>> and a response will be forthcoming.
>>>>>> Once again, thank you for taking the time to write.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Merci d'avoir communiqué avec le premier ministre du
>>>>>> Nouveau-Brunswick.
>>>>>> Soyez assuré que votre courriel a bien été reçu, qu'il sera examiné
>>>>>> et qu'une réponse vous sera acheminée.
>>>>>> Merci encore d'avoir pris de temps de nous écrire.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sincerely, / Sincèrement,
>>>>>> Mallory Fowler
>>>>>> Corespondence Manager / Gestionnaire de la correspondance
>>>>>> Office of the Premier / Cabinet du premier ministre
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>>>> From: Póstur FOR <postur@for.is>
>>>>>> Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2016 21:43:50 +0000
>>>>>> Subject: Re: After crossing paths with them bigtime in 2004 Davey
>>>>>> Baby
>>>>>> Coon and his many Green Meanie and Fake Left cohorts know why I won't
>>>>>> hold my breath waiting for them to act with any semblance of
>>>>>> integrity
>>>>>> now N'esy Pas Chucky Leblanc??
>>>>>> To: David Amos <motomaniac333@gmail.com>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Erindi þitt hefur verið móttekið / Your request has been received
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Kveðja / Best regards
>>>>>> Forsætisráðuneytið / Prime Minister's Office
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>>>> From: Póstur IRR <postur@irr.is>
>>>>>> Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2016 21:43:50 +0000
>>>>>> Subject: Re: After crossing paths with them bigtime in 2004 Davey
>>>>>> Baby
>>>>>> Coon and his many Green Meanie and Fake Left cohorts know why I won't
>>>>>> hold my breath waiting for them to act with any semblance of
>>>>>> integrity
>>>>>> now N'esy Pas Chucky Leblanc??
>>>>>> To: David Amos <motomaniac333@gmail.com>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Erindi þitt hefur verið móttekið. / Your request has been received.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Kveðja / Best regards
>>>>>> Innanríkisráðuneytið / Ministry of the Interior
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> For the public record I knew Birgitta was no better than the people
>>>>>> she bitches about when she refused to discuss the QSLS blog with me
>>>>>> while she was in Canada making her rounds in the Canadain media in
>>>>>> January of 2011.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This is the docket
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://cas-cdc-www02.cas-satj.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> These are digital recordings of the last two hearings
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dec 14th https://archive.org/details/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jan 11th https://archive.org/details/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This me running for a seat in Parliament again while CBC denies it
>>>>>> again
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Fundy Royal, New Brunswick Debate – Federal Elections 2015 - The
>>>>>> Local
>>>>>> Campaign, Rogers TV
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Veritas Vincit
>>>>>> David Raymond Amos
>>>>>> 902 800 0369
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>>>> From: David Amos <motomaniac333@gmail.com>
>>>>>> Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2015 09:20:29 -0400
>>>>>> Subject: Hey before you Red Coats swear an Oath to the Queen and the
>>>>>> 42nd Parliament begins perhaps the turncoat Big Bad Billy Casey the
>>>>>> Yankee carpetbagger David Lutz or some Boyz from NB should explain
>>>>>> this lawsuit to you real slow.
>>>>>> To: alaina@alainalockhart.ca, david <david@lutz.nb.ca>,
>>>>>> "daniel.mchardie" <daniel.mchardie@cbc.ca>, info@waynelong.ca,
>>>>>> info@ginettepetitpastaylor.ca, rarseno@nbnet.nb.ca,
>>>>>> matt@mattdecourcey.ca, info@sergecormier.ca, pat@patfinnigan.ca,
>>>>>> tj@tjharvey.ca, karen.ludwig.nb@gmail.com
>>>>>> Cc: David Amos <david.raymond.amos@gmail.com>
>>>>>> <Frank.McKenna@td.com>, info@votezsteve.ca, info@billcasey.ca,
>>>>>> "justin.trudeau.a1" <justin.trudeau.a1@parl.gc.ca>
>>>>>> "dominic.leblanc.a1" <dominic.leblanc.a1@parl.gc.ca
>>>>>> <oldmaison@yahoo.com>, jacques_poitras <jacques_poitras@cbc.ca>,
>>>>>> "Jacques.Poitras" <Jacques.Poitras@cbc.ca>, "peter.mackay"
>>>>>> <peter.mackay@justice.gc.ca>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> FYI This is the text of the lawsuit that should interest Trudeau the
>>>>>> most
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://davidraymondamos3.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 83 The Plaintiff states that now that Canada is involved in more war
>>>>>> in Iraq again it did not serve Canadian interests and reputation to
>>>>>> allow Barry Winters to publish the following words three times over
>>>>>> five years after he began his bragging:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> January 13, 2015
>>>>>> This Is Just AS Relevant Now As When I wrote It During The Debate
>>>>>>
>>>>>> December 8, 2014
>>>>>> Why Canada Stood Tall!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Friday, October 3, 2014
>>>>>> Little David Amos’ “True History Of War” Canadian Airstrikes And
>>>>>> Stupid Justin Trudeau
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Canada’s and Canadians free ride is over. Canada can no longer hide
>>>>>> behind Amerka’s and NATO’s skirts.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> When I was still in Canadian Forces then Prime Minister Jean Chretien
>>>>>> actually committed the Canadian Army to deploy in the second campaign
>>>>>> in Iraq, the Coalition of the Willing. This was against or contrary
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> the wisdom or advice of those of us Canadian officers that were
>>>>>> involved in the initial planning phases of that operation. There were
>>>>>> significant concern in our planning cell, and NDHQ about of the
>>>>>> dearth
>>>>>> of concern for operational guidance, direction, and forces for
>>>>>> operations after the initial occupation of Iraq. At the “last minute”
>>>>>> Prime Minister Chretien and the Liberal government changed its mind.
>>>>>> The Canadian government told our amerkan cousins that we would not
>>>>>> deploy combat troops for the Iraq campaign, but would deploy a
>>>>>> Canadian Battle Group to Afghanistan, enabling our amerkan cousins to
>>>>>> redeploy troops from there to Iraq. The PMO’s thinking that it was
>>>>>> less costly to deploy Canadian Forces to Afghanistan than Iraq. But
>>>>>> alas no one seems to remind the Liberals of Prime Minister Chretien’s
>>>>>> then grossly incorrect assumption. Notwithstanding Jean Chretien’s
>>>>>> incompetence and stupidity, the Canadian Army was heroic,
>>>>>> professional, punched well above it’s weight, and the PPCLI Battle
>>>>>> Group, is credited with “saving Afghanistan” during the Panjway
>>>>>> campaign of 2006.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What Justin Trudeau and the Liberals don’t tell you now, is that then
>>>>>> Liberal Prime Minister Jean Chretien committed, and deployed the
>>>>>> Canadian army to Canada’s longest “war” without the advice, consent,
>>>>>> support, or vote of the Canadian Parliament.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What David Amos and the rest of the ignorant, uneducated, and
>>>>>> babbling
>>>>>> chattering classes are too addled to understand is the deployment of
>>>>>> less than 75 special operations troops, and what is known by planners
>>>>>> as a “six pac cell” of fighter aircraft is NOT the same as a
>>>>>> deployment of a Battle Group, nor a “war” make.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The Canadian Government or The Crown unlike our amerkan cousins have
>>>>>> the “constitutional authority” to commit the Canadian nation to war.
>>>>>> That has been recently clearly articulated to the Canadian public by
>>>>>> constitutional scholar Phillippe Legasse. What Parliament can do is
>>>>>> remove “confidence” in The Crown’s Government in a “vote of
>>>>>> non-confidence.” That could not happen to the Chretien Government
>>>>>> regarding deployment to Afghanistan, and it won’t happen in this
>>>>>> instance with the conservative majority in The Commons regarding a
>>>>>> limited Canadian deployment to the Middle East.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> President George Bush was quite correct after 911 and the terror
>>>>>> attacks in New York; that the Taliban “occupied” and “failed state”
>>>>>> Afghanistan was the source of logistical support, command and
>>>>>> control,
>>>>>> and training for the Al Quaeda war of terror against the world. The
>>>>>> initial defeat, and removal from control of Afghanistan was vital and
>>>>>> essential for the security and tranquility of the developed world. An
>>>>>> ISIS “caliphate,” in the Middle East, no matter how small, is a clear
>>>>>> and present danger to the entire world. This “occupied state,”
>>>>>> or“failed state” will prosecute an unending Islamic inspired war of
>>>>>> terror against not only the “western world,” but Arab states
>>>>>> “moderate” or not, as well. The security, safety, and tranquility of
>>>>>> Canada and Canadians are just at risk now with the emergence of an
>>>>>> ISIS“caliphate” no matter how large or small, as it was with the
>>>>>> Taliban and Al Quaeda “marriage” in Afghanistan.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> One of the everlasting “legacies” of the “Trudeau the Elder’s dynasty
>>>>>> was Canada and successive Liberal governments cowering behind the
>>>>>> amerkan’s nuclear and conventional military shield, at the same time
>>>>>> denigrating, insulting them, opposing them, and at the same time
>>>>>> self-aggrandizing ourselves as “peace keepers,” and progenitors of
>>>>>> “world peace.” Canada failed. The United States of Amerka, NATO, the
>>>>>> G7 and or G20 will no longer permit that sort of sanctimonious
>>>>>> behavior from Canada or its government any longer. And Prime Minister
>>>>>> Stephen Harper, Foreign Minister John Baird , and Cabinet are fully
>>>>>> cognizant of that reality. Even if some editorial boards, and pundits
>>>>>> are not.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Justin, Trudeau “the younger” is reprising the time “honoured”
>>>>>> liberal
>>>>>> mantra, and tradition of expecting the amerkans or the rest of the
>>>>>> world to do “the heavy lifting.” Justin Trudeau and his “butt buddy”
>>>>>> David Amos are telling Canadians that we can guarantee our security
>>>>>> and safety by expecting other nations to fight for us. That Canada
>>>>>> can
>>>>>> and should attempt to guarantee Canadians safety by providing
>>>>>> “humanitarian aid” somewhere, and call a sitting US president a “war
>>>>>> criminal.” This morning Australia announced they too, were sending
>>>>>> tactical aircraft to eliminate the menace of an ISIS “caliphate.”
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In one sense Prime Minister Harper is every bit the scoundrel Trudeau
>>>>>> “the elder” and Jean ‘the crook” Chretien was. Just As Trudeau, and
>>>>>> successive Liberal governments delighted in diminishing,
>>>>>> marginalizing, under funding Canadian Forces, and sending Canadian
>>>>>> military men and women to die with inadequate kit and modern
>>>>>> equipment; so too is Prime Minister Stephen Harper. Canada’s F-18s
>>>>>> are
>>>>>> antiquated, poorly equipped, and ought to have been replaced five
>>>>>> years ago. But alas, there won’t be single RCAF fighter jock that
>>>>>> won’t go, or won’t want to go, to make Canada safe or safer.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My Grandfather served this country. My father served this country. My
>>>>>> Uncle served this country. And I have served this country. Justin
>>>>>> Trudeau has not served Canada in any way. Thomas Mulcair has not
>>>>>> served this country in any way. Liberals and so called social
>>>>>> democrats haven’t served this country in any way. David Amos, and
>>>>>> other drooling fools have not served this great nation in any way.
>>>>>> Yet
>>>>>> these fools are more than prepared to ensure their, our safety to
>>>>>> other nations, and then criticize them for doing so.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Canada must again, now, “do our bit” to guarantee our own security,
>>>>>> and tranquility, but also that of the world. Canada has never before
>>>>>> shirked its responsibility to its citizens and that of the world.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Prime Minister Harper will not permit this country to do so now
>>>>>>
>>>>>> From: dnd_mdn@forces.gc.ca
>>>>>> Date: Fri, 27 May 2011 14:17:17 -0400
>>>>>> Subject: RE: Re Greg Weston, The CBC , Wikileaks, USSOCOM, Canada and
>>>>>> the War in Iraq (I just called SOCOM and let them know I was still
>>>>>> alive
>>>>>> To: david.raymond.amos@gmail.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This is to confirm that the Minister of National Defence has received
>>>>>> your email and it will be reviewed in due course. Please do not reply
>>>>>> to this message: it is an automatic acknowledgement.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ---------- Original message ----------
>>>>>> From: David Amos <david.raymond.amos@gmail.com>
>>>>>> Date: Fri, 27 May 2011 13:55:30 -0300
>>>>>> Subject: Re Greg Weston, The CBC , Wikileaks, USSOCOM, Canada and the
>>>>>> War in Iraq (I just called SOCOM and let them know I was still alive
>>>>>> To: DECPR@forces.gc.ca, Public.Affairs@socom.mil,
>>>>>> Raymonde.Cleroux@mpcc-cppm.gc.
>>>>>> william.elliott@rcmp-grc.gc.ca
>>>>>> dnd_mdn@forces.gc.ca, media@drdc-rddc.gc.ca,
>>>>>> information@forces.gc.ca,
>>>>>> milner@unb.ca, charters@unb.ca, lwindsor@unb.ca,
>>>>>> sarah.weir@mpcc-cppm.gc.ca, birgir <birgir@althingi.is>, smari
>>>>>> <smari@immi.is>, greg.weston@cbc.ca, pm <pm@pm.gc.ca>,
>>>>>> susan@blueskystrategygroup.com
>>>>>> eugene@blueskystrategygroup.
>>>>>> Cc: "Edith. Cody-Rice" <Edith.Cody-Rice@cbc.ca>, "terry.seguin"
>>>>>> <terry.seguin@cbc.ca>, acampbell <acampbell@ctv.ca>, whistleblower
>>>>>> <whistleblower@ctv.ca>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I talked to Don Newman earlier this week before the beancounters
>>>>>> David
>>>>>> Dodge and Don Drummond now of Queen's gave their spin about Canada's
>>>>>> Health Care system yesterday and Sheila Fraser yapped on and on on
>>>>>> CAPAC during her last days in office as if she were oh so ethical..
>>>>>> To
>>>>>> be fair to him I just called Greg Weston (613-288-6938) I suggested
>>>>>> that he should at least Google SOUCOM and David Amos It would be wise
>>>>>> if he check ALL of CBC's sources before he publishes something else
>>>>>> about the DND EH Don Newman? Lets just say that the fact that your
>>>>>> old CBC buddy, Tony Burman is now in charge of Al Jazeera English
>>>>>> never impressed me. The fact that he set up a Canadian office is
>>>>>> interesting though
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.cbc.ca/news/arts/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Anyone can call me back and stress test my integrity after they read
>>>>>> this simple pdf file. BTW what you Blue Sky dudes pubished about
>>>>>> Potash Corp and BHP is truly funny. Perhaps Stevey Boy Harper or Brad
>>>>>> Wall will fill ya in if you are to shy to call mean old me.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.scribd.com/doc/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The Governor General, the PMO and the PCO offices know that I am not
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> shy political animal
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Veritas Vincit
>>>>>> David Raymond Amos
>>>>>> 902 800 0369
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Enjoy Mr Weston
>>>>>> http://www.cbc.ca/m/touch/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "But Lang, defence minister McCallum's chief of staff, says military
>>>>>> brass were not entirely forthcoming on the issue. For instance, he
>>>>>> says, even McCallum initially didn't know those soldiers were helping
>>>>>> to plan the invasion of Iraq up to the highest levels of command,
>>>>>> including a Canadian general.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That general is Walt Natynczyk, now Canada's chief of defence staff,
>>>>>> who eight months after the invasion became deputy commander of 35,000
>>>>>> U.S. soldiers and other allied forces in Iraq. Lang says Natynczyk
>>>>>> was
>>>>>> also part of the team of mainly senior U.S. military brass that
>>>>>> helped
>>>>>> prepare for the invasion from a mobile command in Kuwait."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://baconfat53.blogspot.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "I remember years ago when the debate was on in Canada, about there
>>>>>> being weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. Our American 'friends"
>>>>>> demanded that Canada join into "the Coalition of the Willing.
>>>>>> American
>>>>>> "veterans" and sportscasters loudly denounced Canada for NOT buying
>>>>>> into the US policy.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> At the time I was serving as a planner at NDHQ and with 24 other of
>>>>>> my
>>>>>> colleagues we went to Tampa SOUCOM HQ to be involved in the planning
>>>>>> in the planning stages of the op....and to report to NDHQ, that would
>>>>>> report to the PMO upon the merits of the proposed operation. There
>>>>>> was
>>>>>> never at anytime an existing target list of verified sites where
>>>>>> there
>>>>>> were deployed WMD.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Coalition assets were more than sufficient for the initial strike and
>>>>>> invasion phase but even at that point in the planning, we were
>>>>>> concerned about the number of "boots on the ground" for the
>>>>>> occupation
>>>>>> (and end game) stage of an operation in Iraq. We were also concerned
>>>>>> about the American plans for occupation plans of Iraq because they at
>>>>>> that stage included no contingency for a handing over of civil
>>>>>> authority to a vetted Iraqi government and bureaucracy.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There was no detailed plan for Iraq being "liberated" and returned to
>>>>>> its people...nor a thought to an eventual exit plan. This was
>>>>>> contrary
>>>>>> to the lessons of Vietnam but also to current military thought, that
>>>>>> folks like Colin Powell and "Stuffy" Leighton and others elucidated
>>>>>> upon. "What's the mission" how long is the mission, what conditions
>>>>>> are to met before US troop can redeploy? Prime Minister Jean
>>>>>> Chretien
>>>>>> and the PMO were even at the very preliminary planning stages wary of
>>>>>> Canadian involvement in an Iraq operation....History would prove them
>>>>>> correct. The political pressure being applied on the PMO from the
>>>>>> George W Bush administration was onerous
>>>>>>
>>>>>> American military assets were extremely overstretched, and Canadian
>>>>>> military assets even more so It was proposed by the PMO that Canadian
>>>>>> naval platforms would deploy to assist in naval quarantine operations
>>>>>> in the Gulf and that Canadian army assets would deploy in Afghanistan
>>>>>> thus permitting US army assets to redeploy for an Iraqi
>>>>>> operation....The PMO thought that "compromise would save Canadian
>>>>>> lives and liberal political capital.. and the priority of which
>>>>>> ....not necessarily in that order. "
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You can bet that I called these sneaky Yankees again today EH John
>>>>>> Adams? of the CSE within the DND?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.socom.mil/
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
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