Tuesday 13 February 2024

Public-sector unions launch legal challenge to Higgs pension bill

 
 

Public-sector unions launch legal challenge to Higgs pension bill

CUPE locals argue legislation forcing them into new plan violates their right to collective bargaining

Three public-sector unions in New Brunswick have filed a legal challenge to the Higgs government's legislation forcing them into a shared-risk pension system against their will.

Locals 2745 and 1253 of the Canadian Union of Public Employees and the New Brunswick Council of Nursing Home Unions filed the legal action Jan. 30, asking the Court of King's Bench to declare the law unconstitutional.

They argue the law, the Pension Plan Sustainability and Transfer Act, and its regulations, "substantially interfered" with their right to free bargaining under the Charter of Rights and Freedoms.

"The province has unilaterally overridden the terms of the plaintiffs' collective agreements," says the statement of claim.

It quotes passages from the unions' existing contracts that say their pension plans would continue to apply during the duration of the agreements. 

The Progressive Conservative majority in the legislature approved the law in a raucous Dec. 12 vote during that dozens of union members sitting in the public gallery jeered and heckled, almost drowning out the proceedings.

As New Brunswick's finance minister in 2014, Premier Blaine Higgs set up the shared-risk system and persuaded or forced several public-sector employee groups to join it, including some CUPE locals.

Woman with shoulder length blonde hair wearing toque and winter coat approaches barrel with piece of paper to burn.    In November, union members protested against the bill, which forces two CUPE locals and three groups in the New Brunswick Council of Nursing Home Unions into a process to determine the future of their pension plans. (Jacques Poitras/CBC)

But two CUPE bargaining units representing school custodians, maintenance workers, bus drivers and administrative staff continued to resist as recently as 2021, when Higgs, now premier, tried to shift them into the system during contract negotiations to end a strike.

They signed a side agreement on pensions with the province in 2021 at the end of a 16-day strike, setting up a separate process to resolve the issue.

Last November, Higgs accused the union of dragging its feet on that and introduced the Pension Plan Sustainability and Transfer Act.

It forces the CUPE locals and three groups in the New Brunswick Council of Nursing Home Unions into a process to determine the future of their pension plans and begin the transition this month. 

The unions are asking for an injunction blocking that transition and for the court to declare the new act unconstitutional.

The premier's office did not immediately respond to a request for comment. 

The application for an injunction will be heard March 12-13.

ABOUT THE AUTHOR


Jacques Poitras

Provincial Affairs reporter

Jacques Poitras has been CBC's provincial affairs reporter in New Brunswick since 2000. He grew up in Moncton and covered Parliament in Ottawa for the New Brunswick Telegraph-Journal. He has reported on every New Brunswick election since 1995 and won awards from the Radio Television Digital News Association, the National Newspaper Awards and Amnesty International. He is also the author of five non-fiction books about New Brunswick politics and history.

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133 Comments

  

David Amos 
The plot thickens
 
 
 
David Amos
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Here is why we need an Alberta Pension Plan ASAP!

Hello everyone. My name is Rick Rewuski and I live and work in

Dewberry, a small village located in East Central Alberta. I did some

Canada Pension Plan calculations for my grandson who is beginning his

career as an engineer, who will be earning in excess of $68,500.00 per

year. The sum of $68,500 is the insurable earnings used to calculate

the annual CPP premium as well as the CPP pension benefits at age 65.

Based on the insurable earnings of $68,500.00, the annual employee and

employer contribution to CPP will be $7,735.00. Assuming everything

remains the same for the next 42 years, my grandson will have

contributed a total of $324,870.00 to his pension fund.

Canada Pension reports that the average annual rate of return for the

past 10 years is 9.6% and the rate of return for the last year is

6.8%. If the fund earns an average of 6.8% per year, the fund will

have a balance of 1,811,624.75 at age 65. If the fund earns an average

of 9.6% per year, the fund will have a balance of $4,069,377.55 at age 65. 

 
David Amos 
Reply to David Amos 
For this illustration, I am using a conservative rate of return of 5%

compounded annually, which would value my grandsons’ pension account

at $1,106,053.00 at age 65.

With a balance of $1,106,053.00 at age 65, and interest at 5%, my

grandson should expect to receive an annual pension in the amount of

$55,302.00 or $4,609.00 per month. However, that is not even close to

what he will actually receive in pension benefits. Canada Pension will

only pay 33% of the insurable earnings of $68,500.00 which is

$22,605.00 annually or $1,883.75 per month. That means, Canada Pension

is withholding $32,697.00 of the annual interest earnings. If my

grandson draws his pension for one year and then passes away, his

estate will receive a death benefit of $2,500.00 and Canada Pension

keeps the entire $1,106,053.00. If he is married at the time of his

passing, his spouse will only receive a portion of his annual Canada

Pension entitlement which is dependent on how much she is receiving

from her own CPP fund and, CPP will keep the entire $1,106,053.00 for

itself. Currently, the maximum a survivor can receive is a combined

total of $1,613.54 per month or $19,362.48 annually. You will notice

that the annual pension is much less than what the fund will earn

annually and CPP still keeps the balance of the fund of $1,106,053.00

for itself. 

 
 
David Amos 
Reply to David Amos
If your banker offered you an investment plan whereby you deposited a

fixed amount of money into an account for 42 years and you were

offered a 5% annual rate of return on your investment, and your

investment would grow to a value of $1,106,053.00, you might think

that is a good deal. However, if your banker told you that in 42

years, you could only draw 40% of the annual interest earnings, and on

your death, your estate would receive a lump sum payment of $2,500.00

and the bank would keep the remaining $1,106,053.00 for themselves.

Would you invest your money in that type of an investment? I think

not, but that is the investment plan that you are getting with your

Canada Pension Plan.

The Alberta Pension Plan is predicting that we could receive a lump

sum payment of $10,000.00 upon retirement and our monthly pension

could be 2 or 3 times as much as we are receiving from Canada Pension.

If you look at the amount of interest and account balances CPP is

withholding from each contributor, an increase in our monthly pensions

is absolutely possible.

Everyone is very concerned about how much money Alberta will receive

from Canada Pension Plan. Initial reports indicate that CPP owes

Alberta 343 billion dollars. What does it matter if we receive 343

billion or something less? Look at how much money we will save with an

Alberta Pension Plan and how much it will improve our lives when we

retire. A $10,000.00 lump sum payment upon retirement and double the

monthly income? Why would anyone turn that down?

All of the above information is available on the internet and I would

encourage everyone to do their own research. Then you can make an

informed decision.

Have a great day everyone! 

 

 

Dan Lee 
What do we pay all them mlas and their pension for.............  
 
 
David Amos 
Reply to Dan Lee 
Do tell  
 
 
 
 
Doug kirby  
I would like to see a tally of court costs and lawyers fees every time this guy does stuff..there was an agreement to discuss the pension debate ..stick to the plan and stop wasting tax payers money every time he seems to open his mouth 
 
 
Robert Losier 
Reply to Doug kirby
When were those you speak of making plans to attend? 
 
 
Robert Losier 
Reply to Doug kirby
"this guy" "stuff" 
 
 
Samual Johnston
Reply to Doug kirby
do you mean the union leader? the union did not want to discuss the pension issue as agreed so finally someone stepped up and resolved the issue in the best interests of the NB tax payers. Job well done. 
 
 
Myrna MacPherson 
Reply to Samual Johnston
The province stepped up and broke a legal and binding agreement between two parties and I hope they win and win big!!!!! 
 
 
Samual Johnston
Reply to Myrna MacPherson  
the province stepped in and legally resolved a problem to the benefit of the NB tax payers - these defined benefit pensions should never have been allowed in the first place. 
 
 
Art McCarthy  
Reply to Samual Johnston
Whether or not Higg's actions were legal is yet to be tested in court. Hence the case, and the resulting costs in taxpayers' dollars.

Whether DB pensions should have been "allowed" (a better description is "negotiated and agreed to in a contract") is moot. DB pensions were the norm at one time in this great nation.

 
David Amos 
Reply to Doug kirby 
Me too
 
 
 
 
Art McCarthy  
Gut feel Higgs strikes again. 
 
 
David Amos

Reply to Art McCarthy   
Cry me a river

 

 

Rafferty Mccorckle
We have labor laws. Unions are a redundancy that drive up the cost of services. 
 
 
David Amos 
Reply to Rafferty Mccorckle 
I concur
 
 
Art McCarthy 
Reply to Rafferty Mccorckle 
Ironic you choose to voice this relating to this article. Here the union is financing the court case that a single person would likely not have the money to pursue. 
 
 
David Amos 
Reply to Art McCarthy
I sued the Crown and legions of Yankee lawyers all by myself 
 
 
Art McCarthy 
Reply to David Amos
Must have been at band camp. 
 
 
David Amos 
Reply to Art McCarthy 
I what I stated is easily verified 
 
 
Rosco holt 
Reply to Rafferty Mccorckle 
Labor laws don't work since government influences the judges.

FYI the cost of services is driven of by greed and incompetence.

 
MR Cain 
Reply to Rafferty Mccorckle  
That is why we need unions; to enforce labor laws. 
 
 
Marc Chiasson 
Reply to Rafferty Mccorckle  
BS  
 
 
Robert Losier 
Reply to Art McCarthy
How did that turn out for you? Any recompense. 
 
 
Robert Losier 
Reply to MR Cain 
Possibly some need to understand it is "labour" not "labor".
 
 
Marcel Belanger
Reply to Rafferty Mccorckle  
Unions are the reason we have labour laws. Go figure.   
 
 
Myrna MacPherson
Reply to Rafferty Mccorckle  
These people you speak about in the union are some of the lowest paid. Bus drivers and custodians in schools. Folks working in nursing homes. Remember, you get what you pay for!!!! 
 
 
Don Corey  
Reply to Marcel Belanger
Not any more. Labour laws apply to all workers, unionized or not.   
 
 
Mike Barkman 
Reply to Robert Losier 
'Labour' is a French spelling buddy, there's nothing wong with spelling it the way he did.  
 
 
MR Cain 
Reply to Mike Barkman 
In UK English, “labour” (with a “u”) is the correct spelling. The spell check used is US English. 
 
 
David Amos 
Reply to Don Corey  
True 
 
 
 
 
Wilbur Ross  
Solidarity Forever!!!✊
 
 
David Amos 
Reply to Wilbur Ross   
Yea Right 
 
 
Don Corey  
Reply to Wilbur Ross  
Speak for yourself. There's no place for that union fist crap here. 
 
 
Jim Lake  
Reply to Don Corey  
There’s a place for it, in a free and democratic society, when a premier violates the established agreements to impose his will outside the bargaining process through legislation … whether or not one agrees with the union’s stance, what Higgs did is, as usual, just plain wrong, and unethical, especially given he didn’t apply the legislation equally to all of the outstanding public sector pensions (e.g., for judges, whose pension is far more unsustainable than some of those he is forcing changes on) … he should honour the process and agreement he made. 
 
 
Don Corey  

Reply to Jim Lake  

Jim Lake  
Reply to Don Corey
Not always a union supporter, but I do respect their rights to fair negotiation and collective bargaining, unlike some on here …

But you’re definitely right on my very strong dislike of Higgs and his disrespect for the collective bargaining process and his unwillingness to govern for all New Brunswickers. 

 
Myrna MacPherson
Reply to Don Corey 
Then maybe you should leave because unions are the backbone of this country!
 
 
Art McCarthy  
Reply to Don Corey 
If we can listen to the convoy horns day & night for weeks, we can endure reading a single pro-union post.  
 
 
Don Corey  
Reply to Jim Lake  
I spent a full working career dealing with unions, and am fully aware (and respective) of their rights, as well as those of the employer.

The Higgs' approach is often one that I wouldn't take, but I fully support the government's initiatives to move all employees (that we pay for) to the shared-risk plan. It's unfortunate though that judges have the power to just opt out.


David Amos 
Reply to Don Corey 
I presume we agree to disagree again 
 
 
 
 
 
Brian Robertson

The See Bee See and Public Sector Unions.

Two bites from the same apple.

 
David Amos 
Reply to Brian Robertson
Amen  
 
 
 
 
 
Marcel Belanger  
Remember this at the voting booth, along with so many other authoritarian moves by this premier.  
 
 
Samual Johnston
Reply to Marcel Belanger  
Agreed vote for him or the unions will continue to take advantage of the taxpayers. 
 
 
Robert Losier 
Reply to Samual Johnston
Exactly.  
 
 
Brian Robertson 
Reply to Samual Johnston
I know I will.

The most fiscally responsible Premier ever.

 
MR Cain 
Reply to Brian Robertson 
Irresponsible you mean. "Good news Marcie! I doubled our mortgage payment this month! The bad news is we have to give up eating for a month."
 
 
Brian Robertson 
Reply to MR Cain  
If you wish to focus on ANY politician for increasing your cost of living, there is no one who has had more influence on that than your Liberal leader in Ottawa.

The housing bubble, one of many contributors, is the root cause of property tax increases.

The existing tax legislation requires the assessment, but it is the local governments that set the rates.

If you want them to not gouge you, then speak to them instead of twist this as a Higgs' deficiency. 

 
MR Cain 
Reply to Brian Robertson 
I have not mentioned anything about tax assessment nor housing bubble. Way off topic.
 
 
Don Corey 
Reply to Marcel Belanger  
I will indeed remember, and without your biased prompting.

It great move by Premier Higgs to finally get this group converted over to the shared-risk plan (which, despite what most here claim, is still a very generous DB plan that 99%+ of private sector workers would love to have). The union was given ample time to work out the details of the change with government and chose to turn a blind eye and hope it would all go away.

NB taxpayers should appreciate the savings involved with these plans.

 
David Amos 
Reply to Don Corey
Jacques Poitras · CBC News · Posted: Dec 12, 2023 4:54 PM AST 
 
Nobody I know signed a contract for a shared-risk plan. However the last person I loved whose benefits Higgy attacked died this year so now I no longer care 
 
 
Don Corey 
Reply to David Amos
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/pension-deal-2014-nb-teachers-no-cost-of-living

The teacher's union signed in 2014. There have been other groups since then.

 
Marcel Belanger  
Reply to Don Corey
And you’re not biased LOL.

FORCING changes is not negotiating, it is dictating. No matter how much you argue it was the right thing to do that fact does not change.

You seem to be happy it was forced on them, all because your dictator told you it was the right thing to do.

Just like most conservatives you seem to enjoy putting others "in their place".

Well, someone’s gonna be put in their place come next election.

 
Marcel Belanger  
Reply to Samual Johnston
Remember, union members also vote. 
 
 
Don Corey 
Reply to Marcel Belanger  
I've seen enough of your posts to know that you love to attempt to put the awful cons in their place, so speak for yourself on that one. You'll have no luck with me.

As to the next election, we'll probably know the outcome before spring is finished. Despite your hatred for the guy, don't bet the farm that he'll lose or you could be looing for other work.

 
Marcel Belanger  
Reply to Don Corey
Only the CoRcons. Vast majority of other cons are good decent people who care about others.

Despite your adoration for the guy don’t bet your cajones on his winning, you might be complaining at a higher pitch.

 
Myrna MacPherson 
Reply to Samual Johnston
It was Higgs who agreed to the terms of the contract only to turn around and break it. I hope they walk off the job and Higgs needs to clean bedpans in a nursing home. That would humble his "holier then thou" attitude. I can't stand the man and can't wait to see the back of him!!!  
 
 
David Amos 
Reply to Don Corey
My Father was no teacher neither was my Mother's second husband Furthermore there have bee at least 3 lawsuits against Higgy about his pension plan since 2013
 
 
David Amos 
Reply to Don Corey  
Need I say I loved it when the Crown Attorneys sued Higgy?
 
 
Don Corey 
Reply to Marcel Belanger 
It's obviously ok to have a Liberal party overflowing with SANB members, but the same is unacceptable when there are former COR supporters in the PC party. It's a ridiculous double standard.
 
 
Don Corey 
Reply to David Amos
Of that I have no doubt.
 
 
Samual Johnston
Reply to Myrna MacPherson 
well the Union agreed to negotiate and then refused - deal is finally done and all for the betterment of NB -- what you are missing is the vast majority of NB taxpayers support the elimination of defined benefit pension plans -- even most liberals do. That is why the liberals did not switch back to the defined benefit plans that were eliminated over a decade ago. They are unsustainable. Is Holt promising to return all the government worker to defined benefit plans? If not how could you even consider voting for her? 
 


 
Miles Long 
Shared risk is not what your pension has. you would be foolish to agree to being forced into it, Your current pension plan is not shared risk so you would give up something you have for nothing. 
 
 
David Amos 
Reply to Miles Long 
Good question  
 
 
Don Corey
Reply to Miles Long 
Or maybe you give up something you have for something you want even more. 





Greg Miller
Shared risk is a joke -- a sad one. How would we like it if the Federal Government decided to transform the Canada Pension into shared risk? Good actuaries and competent financial advisors are needed rather than have the Provincial Government hide behind "shared risk".

I'm curious, is Higgs' pension from Irving "shared risk"?

 
David Amos

Reply to Greg Miller 
Perhaps you should check my work 
 
 
Allan Marven
Reply to Greg Miller 
"Good actuaries and competent financial advisors"....where do you find those? At JT Morgan?
 
 
Robert Losier 
Reply to Greg Miller  
CPP is shared risk. 
 
 
MR Cain 
Reply to Greg Miller
 
 
G. Timothy Walton 
Reply to Robert Losier  
That's a different connotation of shared-risk.
 
 
Greg Miller 
Reply to Robert Losier 
Payout is prescribed and tied to inflation. End of discussion. 
 
 
Greg Miller 
Reply to Allan Marven 
Try the advisors for the Ontario Teachers' Pension Fund. 
 
 
Samual Johnston
Reply to Greg Miller  
Shared risk is the only sustainable option for NB. Tis why every level of every government in the world has either transitioned to it or is going to. 
 
 
Robert Losier
Reply to Greg Miller  
End of discussion? CPP investments is shared risk with those that did and do the investing being put there by PM Harper years ago. 
 
 
Don Corey 
Reply to Greg Miller
On the contrary, the shared-risk plans are very generous; nothing sad about them at all. Unions don't like the shared risk component, and that's to be expected. They're still a DB plan with a payout formula far more generous than what most of us get from CPP over the course of a 40+ year working career.

(There's a series of interesting posts here by David Amos that provide a good perspective on just how poor the CPP payout is).

On another note, forget about financial advisors being capable of helping out anyone when it comes to the complexities of pension plans.

 
David Amos 
Reply to Don Corey
Thanks for noticing 
 
 
David Amos 
Reply to Allan Marven 
Methinks its interesting that Higgy and the unions acted on Morneau's advice N'esy Pas?

"A team from Morneau Shepell worked with the government-appointed expert task force and collaborating unions on the Shared Risk Pension Plan (SRPP) design for the Province of New Brunswick. As actuary on this project, Morneau Shepell consulted on the development of the new plan design and provided in-depth analysis." 


Don Corey 
Reply to David Amos
Thanks for the postings. They sure demonstrate quite clearly how we're getting screwed by the CPP. Who could blame Alberta for wanting to pull out? 


David Amos 
Reply to Don Corey  
The politicians must have been laughing at us since the sixties when they made get a SIN in order get a job 
 
 
Greg Miller
Reply to Don Corey
My only comeback is: Ontario Teachers Pension Plan. 


 
 
 
Doug kirby  
I hope they win..it's time higgs gets toned down 
 

David Amos

Reply to Doug kirby
Welcome back to the circus 
 
 
Robert Losier
Reply to Doug kirby 
They won't get their way - for sure on that one, me.  
 
 
MR Cain 
Reply to Doug kirby 
Way past time he left.  
 
 
Samual Johnston 
Reply to Doug kirby 
You want him toned down to the detriment of the taxpayers?  
 
 
Dan Lee 
Reply to Samual Johnston
id rather see the taxpayers pay for their public servants for the service than give it to companies and Alberta consultants  
 
 
Samual Johnston  
Reply to Dan Lee 
We pay and pay some more and then when they retire we pay too much. It had to stop and finally it has.  
 
 
David Amos

Reply to Samual Johnston  
The fat lady has not sung yet 
 
 
David Amos
Reply to Samual Johnston  
Are you certain?
 



Noel Sherwood
this should be interesting to watch. Ont just had legislation deemed unconstitutional when came to pay for the public sector.  
 
 
David Amos

Reply to Noel Sherwood
Higgy knows why I am watching 
 
 
Ray Auffrey  
Reply to Noel Sherwood
What's good for the goose is good for the gander. I want all MLA's and MP's to have shared risk pensions.  
 
 
Robert Losier
Reply to Ray Auffrey 
I too think that a great idea. 
 
 
Al Clark  
Reply to Ray Auffrey  
After 30 years service!  
 
 
MR Cain 
Reply to Ray Auffrey 
MLAs do; the judges don't. 
 
 
Clive Gibbons 
Reply to Ray Auffrey 
If I'm not mistaken, they do. 
 
 
David Amos 
Reply to Noel Sherwood
Jacques Poitras · CBC News · Posted: Dec 12, 2023 4:54 PM AST

"Sandy Harding, regional director for the Canadian Union of Public Employees, says this is 'not the end' of the fight over the shared-risk pensions."

 
 
 
 
 
 

Higgs government wins final approval for public-sector pension bill

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358 Comments

 
 
David Amos 
 "Sandy Harding, regional director for the Canadian Union of Public Employees, says this is 'not the end' of the fight over the shared-risk pensions."

Yea Right
 

Rosco holt

Reply to David Amos    
It won't  other unions been fighting this for years already.
 

David Amos
Reply to Rosco holt
Trust that I am well aware of what went down quite likely more than Higgy is




David Amos
Methinks its interesting that Higgy and the unions acted on Morneau's advice N'esy Pas?

"A team from Morneau Shepell worked with the government-appointed expert task force and collaborating unions on the Shared Risk Pension Plan (SRPP) design for the Province of New Brunswick. As actuary on this project, Morneau Shepell consulted on the development of the new plan design and provided in-depth analysis." 




David Amos
Go Figure

N.B.'s auditor general is wrong to claim authority over Vestcor, pension body claims

7 months after being pilloried in AG report, Vestcor defends itself to MLAs

Robert Jones · CBC News · Posted: Sep 17, 2021 4:54 PM ADT

 
David Amos
Reply to David Amos 
N.B. government employee pensions unable to fund full cost of living amounts in 2023

Shared-risk plans struggle to keep up with record inflation

Robert Jones · CBC News · Posted: Sep 08, 2022 6:00 AM ADT

 
David Amos
Reply to David Amos 
Provincial court judges win salary, pension dispute with Higgs government

Province tried to change pay model but says it will accept independent commission’s recommendations

Jacques Poitras · CBC News · Posted: May 02, 2023 7:00 AM ADT

 
Jimmy MacDonald 
Reply to David Amos  
Higgs is a dictator and needs to go  
 
 
 
 
Robert Losier  
Sandy Harding, regional director for the Canadian Union of Public Employees, says this is 'not the end' of the fight over the shared-risk pensions.

Heh Heh Ho Ho

Heh Heh Ho Ho

Heh Heh Ho Ho

Higgs has got to leave

 
David Amos
Reply to Robert Losier  
Methinks the lady and her cohorts should have called me back last year N'esy Pas?

Pension bill targeting school board, nursing home workers grants a pass to judges

Financially troubled judicial pension plan excused from 'fairness' changes being forced on others

Robert Jones · CBC News · Posted: Dec 06, 2023 6:00 AM AST 

 

 
Frank Brace 
When you buy the cheapest services money can buy you get the cheapest services and have no right to complain  
 
 
Ronald Miller 
Reply to Frank Brace 
Cheap is good. That's why I mooch off of other people and don't work.  
 
 
Frank Brace
Reply to Ronald Miller  
Politics is for you 
 
 
William Peters
Reply to Frank Brace   
When you vote for the deconstruction of all manner of social safety nets you watch as the people living on the street grows. We're buying into working until we're 75 as independent contractors for what will become gigantic entities with no obligations to you at all. Our system only works when obligation is shared. The wealthy have to pay for the pension funds to be stay solvent. It can't just be about living off the market returns of selling our debts to foreigners. 
 
 
Robert Losier 
Reply to William Peters 
Has been that way since the early eighties for most. 
 
 
Frank Brace
Reply to William Peters
I have 3 pensions doing well , retired for 9 years now . Poor management of pensions is no excuse to shaft workers . It's just a matter of priorities ,a class war 
 
 
Robert Losier 
Reply to Frank Brace 
class war - too funny. 
 
 
Don Corey
Reply to Frank Brace 
So what are you complaining about?  
 
 
David Amos
Reply to Don Corey
Good question  
 
 
 
 
Don Corey
It's obvious than Susan Holt is more interested in playing politics than saving money for NB taxpayers. Her stripes are becoming clearer when she actually makes a comment, instead of sitting on the fence.


Dan Lee
Reply to Don Corey
in other words ...she is backing up the workers


Don Corey
Reply to Dan Lee
Not really.....just playing the political game.


David Amos
Reply to Don Corey
True


Dan Lee
Reply to Don Corey
are you scared what she might do.........Arseneau was also p.........hmmmm you never mentioned him.......ahhhhh he must had been truly honest...............


Don Corey
Reply to Dan Lee
What is there to be scared of? The rest of your post is meaningless garble.




Don Corey
The NB shared-risk plans are actually defined benefit, but with the shared risk provision. They are far better than 99% of plans in the private sector, and will save NB taxpayers hundreds of millions over the years.

Good job by Higgs in putting an end to the union delay tactics and getting these CUPE groups where they belong.


Wilbur Ross
Reply to Don Corey
We'll be on strike after Christmas and it will be a nasty one. We have nothing really to lose. Job market is in our favour bub. Bring it on.


Don Corey
Reply to Wilbur Ross
Your union won't support a wildcat. Your choice.


Wilbur Ross
Reply to Don Corey
Bahahahaha ... that's what you think.


Don Corey
Reply to Wilbur Ross
Guess we'll find out soon enough. To repeat, it'll be your choice.


Wilbur Ross
Reply to Don Corey
Not really. Higgs made this choice son.


Don Corey
Reply to Wilbur Ross
Higgs made the right move on behalf of NB taxpayers.

Do you really know anything about a shared-risk plan, and how extremely generous it still is compared to the average private sector worker?


Donald LeBlanc.
Reply to Don Corey
Wildcat is the least of Higgs' (and our) problem. The problem here is that all these job categories already have huge staff shortages that are getting worse by the day. This will only accelerate even more massive departures from what is left of the ranks. You can legislate strikers back to work but you can't legislate them back when thay quit. You also can't legislate replacement workers to take jobs nobody wants. You just double or triple the pay on offer like we're doing with "Travel Nurses". That's what passes for "good money management" in NB.


David Amos
Reply to Don Corey
Obviously we agree to disagree


Don Corey
Reply to Donald LeBlanc.
Let's get real here. Nobody is going to leave a unionized public sector job with it's still very generous pension plan, a full benefits package and employment security.


Don Corey
Reply to David Amos
True.


David Amos
Reply to Don Corey
Nobody I know signed a contract for a shared-risk plan. However the last person I loved whose benefits Higgy attacked died this year so now I no longer care


Errol Willis
Reply to Wilbur Ross
Not gonna happen


Carl Bainbridge
Reply to Don Corey
I guess I will ask a different question

Do you really think that any of these jobs are "well paid" or have a "generous pension"

Even before transfering to shared risk, these pensions could never be called generous. Barely adequate at best.

And no none of the positions involved in this attack are well paid, they are all severely underpaid compared to similar work categories


Don Corey
Reply to Carl Bainbridge
Why did you not respond to my question? It was specific to pension plans.


Carl Bainbridge
Reply to Don Corey
I did

I told you, the current plans (Before Higgs made them even worse) were barely adequate at best


David Webb

Reply to Donald LeBlanc.
Ya, the shortage of nurses, doctors, trades people, etc. across the country is Higgs' fault. Lol.


Don Corey
Reply to Carl Bainbridge
So you acknowledge that you don't know what a shared-risk pension plan is; exactly what I figured.


Deborah Reddon
Reply to Donald LeBlanc.
Exactly right! Who wants to work for an employer that tramples all over them and treats them as if they don't matter and are not consulted.




Laura Smith

"As New Brunswick's finance minister in 2014, Higgs set up the shared-risk system and persuaded or forced several public-sector employee groups to join it, including some CUPE locals."

Merry Christmas! The best misery is shared misery.


Archie MacDaniel
Reply to Laura Smith
Yes, and it appears to work so well the Libs did not change a thing when they were in power.


Don Corey
Reply to Laura Smith
Do you really have a clue about a shared-risk plan? It's certainly a "misery" than private sector workers would love to have.


David Amos
Reply to Don Corey
I have a few clues about it that nobody cares to know


Donald LeBlanc
Reply to Archie MacDaniel
You're right about the double talking "Graham/Gallant/Boudreau/Atcon Liberals". But there isn't a single member of that crowd left in Holt's caucus; she made sure of that. In government, she's certainly not going adopt their incompetent and corrupt ways and she's certainly not going to adopt the even more incompetent, corrupt and evil Higgs ways. We can all pray that she only gets a minority government with the Greens as Loyal Opposition. That is our surest bet for a return to democracy and sanity.


David Webb

Reply to Donald LeBlanc
The best predictor of future behaviour is past behaviour. Lets pray the people that think debt doesn't matter ever get back in. I would like to hear Ms. Holt, or Mr. Coon for that matter, talk about what their plan is to improve the finances of the province. We have a $20 billion debt!!!!!!!! At least the liberal governments MRDC (Remember Doug Young) financed highway the province couldn't afford to finance, will be paid off in ten more years. Why do people not understand that interest payments going to debt takes away money that could be used for healthcare, education, housing, infrastructure, social services and subsidised housing.




Wilbur Ross
Higgs flushes away our Rights to Collective Bargaining as he wipes his A with the Constitution of Canada. Time to fight back. Higgs has set a dangerous precedent for the whole of country. Government contracts of all sorts are in danger if this is allowed to stand.


Archie MacDaniel
Reply to Wilbur Ross
The pension was not part of the collective bargaining agreement, you are making the same mistake the rookie leader of the opposition made. Problem is rest of the country is also moving to shared risk. But your sensationalism is 2nd to none, well done.


Wilbur Ross
Reply to Archie MacDaniel
You really need to do some research with all your free time :D


David Amos.

Reply to Archie MacDaniel
"Problem is rest of the country is also moving to shared risk"

Who?


Donald LeBlanc
Reply to Archie MacDaniel
Can you name one other jurisdiction in Canada where the public sector has moved to shared risk. I could be wrong, but I doubt they exist. Of course Michelle Smith wants to pull Alberta out of the CPP and I'm sure "Crypto Pierre" will back her up 100% if he ever gets to be PM. And of course that is the opposite of shared risk because the people of Alberta will be taking ALL the risk if she gets her way, especially after the oil and gas industry has milked every nickel out of it before they're forced to escape to their tax shelters once the climate meltdown shuts down Alberta and most of Canada. Higgs' old (and still) bosses will be "sharing the risk" of the same tax shelters and the rest of us will be sharing Trumpian hell.


David Webb

Reply to Donald LeBlanc
Lot's of feelings from a devout debt doesn't matter taker




Bobby Richards
Michelle Conroy used to have lots to say in defence of nurses. Now she’s hoping her vote for Higgs will get her promoted. It’s amazing how one can turn when they can stand to reap a reward.


David Amos.
Reply to Bobby Richards
Glad you noticed


Donald LeBlanc
Reply to Bobby Richards
When she made the move with Austin to the PCs she was quoted as saying they have the same values. After today (and long before), that is crystal clear and should start thinking about her next career move at the end of next year. If I were her I'd stay away from any unionized shop like her old RN gig. Their "values" are polar opposite.


Bobby Richards
Reply to Donald LeBlanc
Exactly


 
 
 
 
 
 
 

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