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Subject: Doug Ford and his bureaucratic minions in Ontario versus Ossie Gildart in New Brunswick
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Doug Allingham
Minister’s Office
Doug.Allingham@ontario.ca
Jeffrey Stinson
Communications Branch
Jeffrey.Stinson@ontario.ca
New Brunswick driver gets a $4,600 fine — for an accident that happened 65 years ago
Ossie Gildart is facing an expensive fine for an accident he says he has no memory of from decades ago
After a fender-bender before Christmas, 85-year-old Ossie Gildart was told he'd have to take a driver's test. But a surprise was waiting for him when he walked into Service New Brunswick in Bathurst.
"He said, 'Mr. Gildart, I'm sorry you can't take the test, your licence has been suspended,'" Gildart said.
Gildart was told his licence was suspended until he pays $4,661.91 because of an uninsured accident — an accident that happened in Toronto in 1960.
"I just couldn't believe it. I couldn't remember having an accident that I wasn't insured with," he said.
Ontario's Motor Vehicle Accident Claims Fund allows people to reclaim damages from an accident with an uninsured driver. But Gildart doesn't recall getting into an accident during his time in Toronto, let alone one where he was uninsured.
While living in Ontario, Gildart worked as a service technician so was required to have insurance and to renew his driver's licence every year. When he left Ontario in 1971 to move home to New Brunswick, he received his Class 1 licence, driving trucks for CN Rail.
N.B. senior faces claim for a decades-old accident he doesn’t rememberAnd in the all the years he's renewed his licence, in Ontario and New Brunswick, this old accident never appeared as an issue.
A spokesperson for New Brunswick's Department of Public Safety told CBC News that Service New Brunswick performs a Canada-wide scan for licence suspensions in other jurisdictions.
"However, if our investigation proves the reason for suspension is a court-ordered [judgment] more than 10 years old, we have no obligation to another province to suspend or collect the outstanding amount," Geoffery Downey said in an email.
Gildart's licence has now been reinstated and his driver's test rebooked but he's still left with the hefty bill from the Ontario Ministry of Transport, although he's being allowed to pay it back monthly.
"Two hundred dollars a month is a big slap in the face," he said.
"I'll have to do without something to get that."
Gildart and his family are still deciding on next steps, which may include hiring a lawyer to help them fight the charge. (Silas Brown/CBC News)
The Ontario Ministry of Public Business and Service Delivery said there are options for those who are facing claims through the program.
"If an individual is sued and disagrees, they may defend the action that has been commenced against them," spokesperson Jeffery Stinson said in an email.
"If a judgment has been issued, they may seek legal advice to move to have the judgment set aside."
Gildart's family is still deciding on next steps, which may include hiring a lawyer to help them fight the charge.
"I was never notified by anybody, for anything. I was never suspended. I never had a problem," he said.
"I just can't believe they'd do this to a senior that's 86 years old next week."
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406 Comments
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lol
Was the clutch slipping on the FL also?
David Amos
FLH
Al Clark
Ran into an old fellow last summer . Thirty odd years ago he got an impaired charge around the north shore. Judge said I'll let you have license just to drive. A week later he got caught again. He struck her for Tronna. He just moved home after selling his fleet of trucks in Ontario. ;-)
David Amos
Reply to Al Clark
Not funny
Al Clark
Reply to David Amos
cep, it kinda is
David Amos
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Drunks Drivers still rolling???? What is truly funny is your other comments which went "Poof"
Buford Wilson
Good Lord.
It was many moons ago.
They ought to reinstate Ossie`s license.
Pa Ess
Reply to Buford Wilson
They did. Did you read the story?!
Angie Gildart
Reply to Buford Wilson
they did re-instate it. But Ontario government says he still has to pay the penalty.
they did re-instate it. But Ontario government says he still has to pay the penalty.
David Amos
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Reply to Angie Gildart
I believe I can help with that
Angie Gildart
Reply to David Amos
How?
David Amos
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Reply to Angie Gildart
I have Doug Ford bent over the pork barrel right now One call from his campaign Kory is all that it would take to make this away
Angie Gildart
Reply to Buford Wilson
do it
Angie Gildart
Reply to David Amos
do it
Angie Gildart
Reply to Angie Gildart
sorry wrong reply. and i agree this is insanity
John Oaktree
According to Canadian law, if you commit a crime - even a serious crime - there is a limitation on how long the courts can take and if they take too long, the charges are stayed and you're let free... I believe the time limit is about 2 years...
And yet, here we have a man in his late 80's being bogged down in some bureaucratic nightmare for something that happened over 50 years ago...
Something is very wrong here.
Steve Brockhouse
Reply to John Oaktree
No crime was committed. He is not charged with any criminal offence to be stayed.
Luc Gervis
Reply to John Oaktree
Reading through this, it doesn't seem to have anything to do with a court order. Its a claim by the Ontario's Motor Vehicle Accident Claims Fund.
No conviction necessary
Brian H
Reply to Steve Brockhouse
The license issuer is a keeper of records for the courts. He did this and someone else had to pay for his actions. Time to pay up. Insurance costs are a result of people like him the 5% of users that try to get away without paying. He needs to pay, I would charge him interest, he knew what he did.
Rob Cook
Reply to John Oaktree
Yeah...government is above the law
David Amos
Reply to Rob Cook
Bingo
Steve Brockhouse
Reply to Brian H
A whole bunch of assumptions in that tirade. Few of which are proven and have not been given any opportunity for due process. Yet you have him convicted. Not the kind of person i would like to see running for any office.
Luc Gervis
Gildart's family is still deciding on next steps, which may include hiring a lawyer to help them fight the charge.
It would cost more to hire the lawyer
Jay Bearman
Reply to Luc Gervis
Probably, but some people fight things just for the principle of the thing.
Michael Murphy
Reply to Luc Gervis
Lawyers usually give you a free consultation, so after half an hour you should have a good idea if you have a case or not. Smart people will then go to the next free consult to find out what the first move is, then do it themselves, then go to a new layer for another consult, etc
It's a time consuming way to get free legal services
David Amos
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Reply to Michael Murphy
Are you who I think you are?
Steve Dueck
Seriously? Give this guy a pass. Sixty years…he does not have any memory of this and for all we know it’s another case of bureaucratic bungling. More likely after sixty years. I think they need to talk to the police officers who were at the scene just to confirm all this. What…passed away? So should this ticket.
Jay Bearman
Reply to Steve Dueck
Perhaps the guy should consider a lawyer to fight this. Sad if the legal fees are more than the ticket.
David Amos
Reply to Jay Bearman
How about statue of limitations?
Jay Bearman
Reply to David Amos
I mentioned that below in a few of my comments.
Mark O'Brien
Reply to David Amos
Or the Statue of Liberty!
Jay Bearman
Reply to Mark O'Brien
LOL. Wrong country though...ironic that they have a president that squashed the ideals that the statue represents.
Mark O'Brien
Reply to Jay Bearman
I think you've got it wrong in fact. Perhaps you were thinking of the statute of liberty.
David Amos
Reply to Mark O'Brien
And the right to the pursuit of happiness
I am particularly fond of
Eighth Amendment
"Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted."
Seventh Amendment
"In Suits at common law, where the value in controversy shall exceed twenty dollars, the right of trial by jury shall be preserved, and no fact tried by a jury, shall be otherwise re-examined in any Court of the United States, than according to the rules of the common law"
Kat Shaw
Reply to Mark O'Brien
Hilarious, you had it wrong about Kelowna thinking it was a small rural airport, it's a international Airport; should you be flying to Vancouver one day, the flight could be diverted to Kelowna if conditions required that.
Jay Schuster
Someone has seriously screwed up, where is the common sense in this, oh right common sense went out the window 20 or more years ago. i thin k someone jut made up this accident report.
David Amos
Reply to Jay Schuster
Common sense means nothing to governments Ask the Romans why that is
David Hickie
Reminds me of a joke i once heard. Three prisoners were sitting in the yard of a correctional facility bragging about how good their lawyers were. The first one said, I was charged with armed robbery, theft, dangerous driving and 5 illegal firearms charges. My lawyer convinced the prosecutor to drop it to theft, and dangerous driving and a 2 year prison term. The 2nd said, mine was better, i was charged with 5 counts of agravated assault, kidnapping, forcible confinement and sexual assault. My lawyer got it reduced to one aggravated assault, forcible confinement and a 3 year term. The last said, my lawyer has them all beat. I was charged with 4 counts of homicide, 4 aggravated assaults, sex with a minor and a City of Saskatoon parking ticket. He got them to drop everything except the parking ticket. The others then asked him why then was he in jail with them. He responded, "that damn Saskatoon parking ticket".
Jay Bearman
Reply to David Hickie
Good joke, but a sad indicator of how government works.
David Amos
Reply to David Hickie
Pat King has a better story to tell today but it is no joke
Albert Rose
Reply to David Amos
Political Prisoner get a 90day house arrest sentence...however he's already sat in jail 9 months...how does that equate...
Denny Hamilton
Bureaucracy gone wild!
David Amos
Reply to Denny Hamilton
Yup
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