David Raymond Amos @DavidRayAmos
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Methinks CBC and the very snobby Neil MacDonald in particular just pissed off a lot of Canadians N'esy Pas?
http://davidraymondamos3.blogspot.com/2018/08/methinks-cbc-and-very-snobby-neil.html
Methinks CBC and the very snobby Neil MacDonald in particular just pissed off a lot of Canadians N'esy Pas?
http://davidraymondamos3.blogspot.com/2018/08/methinks-cbc-and-very-snobby-neil.html
http://www.cbc.ca/news/opinion/saudi-medical-residents-1.4784798
The Saudi temper tantrum could land one devastating blow — to Canadian health care: Neil Macdonald
Our system depends on some 800 Saudi medical residents
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David Amos
Methinks I should thank CBC
for assisting me in proving my point about Free Speech or rather the
lack thereof again today N'esy Pas?
Dave Singh
this self-appointed despot is hurting the health of his own people with his bullying.
David Amos
@Dave Singh Methinks I have
the right to point out the fact that bullying happens every day all day
long in Canada as well N'esy Pas?
Sue McPherson
@Dave Singh
Sometimes it's hard to see where the bullying starts. Christina Freeland committed a grave error in judgement when she sent a tweet with hashtagSaudi Arabia from the official Foreign Affairs Can twitter account. She made it worse by making women's rights her priority in that Aug 3 tweet. She showed no comprehension of who she was dealing with - his country's attitudes towards women - and how best he might be approached. Freeland has done an immense amount of damage to Canada.
I wonder if it would it be possible for her to go over there and meet with the Crown Prince to discuss her concerns about women's rights?
Sometimes it's hard to see where the bullying starts. Christina Freeland committed a grave error in judgement when she sent a tweet with hashtagSaudi Arabia from the official Foreign Affairs Can twitter account. She made it worse by making women's rights her priority in that Aug 3 tweet. She showed no comprehension of who she was dealing with - his country's attitudes towards women - and how best he might be approached. Freeland has done an immense amount of damage to Canada.
I wonder if it would it be possible for her to go over there and meet with the Crown Prince to discuss her concerns about women's rights?
David Amos
@Dave Singh Trust that if you could see the number of red bars I see below this comment you would agree in a heartbeat.
David Amos
@Sue McPherson I agree
David Amos
@Sue McPherson "I wonder if
it would it be possible for her to go over there and meet with the Crown
Prince to discuss her concerns about women's rights?"
Methinks you must be joking N'esy Pas?
Methinks you must be joking N'esy Pas?
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David Amos
Methinks many folks whose
suffer with many "Content Disabled" notices must find it rather ironic
that the liberals lament byway of Twitter about Free Speech etc being
non existent in the Kingdom of Arabia while the very same wrongs are
practiced within our Crown's website N'esy Pas?
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David Amos
Methinks it was a rather telling thing for Mr Macdonald and I that my Content was disabled after it was read N'esy Pas?
David Amos
Methinks I should make it
clear that my heart goes out to the ladies of Arabia and all others
whose human, civil and legal rights are violated on a daily basis
worldwide. It is a monumental joke to me that Saudi Arabia sits on the
Human Rights Council in the UN in light of the fact that the Canadian
Lawyer who wrote its Charter came from Fundy Royal a riding I have run
in for a seat in Parliament twice thus far N'esy Pas?
David Amos
Methinks I should remind Mr
Macdonald of a few things before this comment section closes I should
ask does anyone recall this old file and why I was so upset by Canada's
actions against me in 2003 N'esy Pas?
https://www.scribd.com/doc/2718120/integrity-yea-right
https://www.scribd.com/doc/2718120/integrity-yea-right
David Amos
@David Amos Oh My My
William Smith
Yes, its quite a situation
Neil. The Saudi school curriculum teaches their children that all
Christians must be killed (as well as those people of other religions
that do not mesh with their particular brand of Islam). Once instilled
and installed at a grade school age, this must create great conflicts
for their medical students - who must swear to preserve life and do no
harm. Canada identifies as +70% Christian. So, in what vacuum of
caution and common sense are Canada's teaching hospitals relying on
Saudi nationals to provide care for our citizens? Have they denounced
both their religion and their benefactors? I don't think so.
David Amos
@William Smith Methinks most
Canadians including me cannot even begin to fathom the reasoning of the
followers of the Saudi King and his Princes N'esy Pas?
Jeannette Llody
Actually I think it is time
for the UN, not just Canada, to get up on its hind legs and tell the
Saudi's to shape up or shove off. But I won't hold my breath for that.
The UN has about as much teeth as an earthworm.
David Amos
@Jeannette Llody Methinks the Saudi's byway of their money control the UN N'esy Pas?
Darren Transhy
More room for better, more deserving students.
David Amos
@Darren Transhy Exactly
George Bellerose
Right on Neil McDonald. With
the Saudis touting Canada as a bad country, why with all that money and
humanity in their hearts, Saudi Arabia is not taking in the Middle
Eastern Arab, Muslim refugees who are fleeing to the western infidel
countries ?? Perhaps we have been neglectful in redirecting them to
their Saudi brothers who have been touting the greatness of their
country. Now, with all those medical students returning to Saudia
Arabia would certainly aid those refugees with free medical care. Why
are refugees avoiding such a very wealthy Muslim Arab country that
claims to care about its Muslim brothers. ???
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David Amos
@George Bellerose "Why are
refugees avoiding such a very wealthy Muslim Arab country that claims to
care about its Muslim brothers. ???"
Jeremy Ashton
When the world finally
realizes that tw atter is utter garbage and no one should even care or
pay attention to it, we will all start getting along better. Too many
people sharing too many negative opinions. too few people sharing too
few positive ones. There is an imbalance in the force. the dark side
is gaining too much power.
Jeannette Llody
@Jeremy Ashton Twitter
twatter is fine and fair game for individuals who wish to engage in
social media. But it is not an appropriate forum for members of
government to proclaim policy or engage in diplomatic discourse.
Elected officials should be barred from Twitter.
David Amos
@Jeannette Llody Methinks you have a tough row to *** making Mr Trump obey such a rule N'esy Pas?
Russ Rogers
Always a pleasure to read your op-ed, Mr. Macdonald --- my selfish side looks for its continuance, long into your retirement.
Ahh, but that selfless side ---
All joking aside, to your health & thank you sir.
Ahh, but that selfless side ---
All joking aside, to your health & thank you sir.
David Amos
@Russ Rogers Methinks you should be far more concerned about the things that Mr Macdonald does not tell you about N'esy Pas?
Sam Brokit
We have thousands of new crossers monthly. Perhaps they could fill the spots?
David Amos
@Sam Brokit Methinks many a true word is said in jest N'esy Pas?
Peter Ray
Pretty sad when OUR health care system is reliant on foreign nationals!
David Amos
@Peter Ray YUP
James Watson
This is a good start to the
medical system in Canada to start training and employing CANADIAN
doctors and the sentiment can spread to Canadian universities being for
CANADIANS!
David Amos
@James Watson Methinks that I do need I say that I wholeheartedly agree but I just did N'esy Pas?
Jennifer McIsaac
I thought we had Canadian
medical students who could not find placements as residents? Maybe this
is a chance to give Canadian medical students a chance to start their
careers.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/medical-graduates-residency-shortage-1.4536706
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/medical-graduates-residency-shortage-1.4536706
Felicia Kinzburg
@Jennifer McIsaac There are
also numerous LEGAL immigrants (permanent residents) in Canada, who
passed all required medical exams, but are not able to find a resident
position for years.
David Amos
@Jennifer McIsaac "Maybe this is a chance to give Canadian medical students a chance to start their careers."
Methinks there are no maybes about it. I believe this is golden opportunity to get our hospitals properly staffed before Baby Boomers such as I need even more of their services. To Hell with the Saudi's and their money. The liberals should make every effort to give Canadian medical students and other foreigners a chance to start their careers in Canada ASAP N'esy Pas?
Methinks there are no maybes about it. I believe this is golden opportunity to get our hospitals properly staffed before Baby Boomers such as I need even more of their services. To Hell with the Saudi's and their money. The liberals should make every effort to give Canadian medical students and other foreigners a chance to start their careers in Canada ASAP N'esy Pas?
David Amos
@Felicia Kinzburg "There are
also numerous LEGAL immigrants (permanent residents) in Canada, who
passed all required medical exams, but are not able to find a resident
position for years."
Exactly and why are they not working for us? Methinks its because of Saudi money N'esy Pas?
Exactly and why are they not working for us? Methinks its because of Saudi money N'esy Pas?
Jamie Thak
@David Amos well as long as you're willing to pay and have your taxes raised then yes! kick the saudi's out.
David Amos
@Jamie Thak Methinks I paid my two bits to see a High Diving Act so I have the right to see a High Diving Act N'esy Pas?
@Jennifer McIsaac
Not to mention the thousands of Canadians who studied abroad and find it practically impossible to get a residency slot to move back.
Not to mention the thousands of Canadians who studied abroad and find it practically impossible to get a residency slot to move back.
Deanna Troi
@Jennifer McIsaac Fully agreed. I just mentioned this.
David Amos
@Ivan Nano Methinks its kinda
strange that we hire foreign nationals to work in our hospitals while
refusing Canadians who were forced to find an education elsewhere N'esy
Pas?
Trust that I have quite a political story to tell in that regard but I doubt CBC will allow it to be posted.
Trust that I have quite a political story to tell in that regard but I doubt CBC will allow it to be posted.
Jennifer McIsaac
@Jamie Thak
Remember doctors are well paid and pay lots of taxes. We are short of doctors and need to train more. Saudis leave the country so pay no taxes and fill no vacant spots in our health care system.
Remember doctors are well paid and pay lots of taxes. We are short of doctors and need to train more. Saudis leave the country so pay no taxes and fill no vacant spots in our health care system.
David Amos
@Jennifer McIsaac Trust that I have not forgot
Ziad Abi Saab
@David Amos Try, maybe it gets through.
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David Amos
@Ziad Abi Saab "Try, maybe it gets through".
Methinks at your suggestion I will make minor stab at it After all nothing ventured nothing gained N'esy Pas?
In a nutshell in 2008 I gave many Doctors quite a headache through no fault of my own. The RCMP had falsely arrested me without a warrant or any stated cause whatsoever for politcal reasons not long after the FBI arrested Eliot Spitzer in Washington. Once the cops had kept me locked too long without allowing me to encounter a judge they took me to the hospital in Fredericton NB in order to convince some shrinks that they should take charge of me and lock me up as a nut. When the Docors saw no reason to do so the RCMP filled out a form about my doings with Stockwell Day, Peter Mackay and the mob etc. The Doctor then signed the form and ordered five men to tackle me and hold me down while nurse Rachet filled me full of drugs. The next day I easily proved to the Shrink I was no liar but that the RCMP had played him like a fiddle. He appeared to have an anxiety attack right in front of me within his own looney bin. Too funny indeed. However that did not stop him from ordering me injected with more drugs. That nasty Shrink was from Mexico.
Methinks at your suggestion I will make minor stab at it After all nothing ventured nothing gained N'esy Pas?
In a nutshell in 2008 I gave many Doctors quite a headache through no fault of my own. The RCMP had falsely arrested me without a warrant or any stated cause whatsoever for politcal reasons not long after the FBI arrested Eliot Spitzer in Washington. Once the cops had kept me locked too long without allowing me to encounter a judge they took me to the hospital in Fredericton NB in order to convince some shrinks that they should take charge of me and lock me up as a nut. When the Docors saw no reason to do so the RCMP filled out a form about my doings with Stockwell Day, Peter Mackay and the mob etc. The Doctor then signed the form and ordered five men to tackle me and hold me down while nurse Rachet filled me full of drugs. The next day I easily proved to the Shrink I was no liar but that the RCMP had played him like a fiddle. He appeared to have an anxiety attack right in front of me within his own looney bin. Too funny indeed. However that did not stop him from ordering me injected with more drugs. That nasty Shrink was from Mexico.
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David Amos
@David Amos The next day I
met a new Shrink form the Ukraine. He informed me he was my Doctor now
and that I was definitely not crazy but certainly think outside of the
box. I asked him if he would put that in writing and he said no way and
let me go. I still have the statement that the RCMP created that the
first Shrink signed. Apparently Horizon Health nor any of its Doctors
were allowed to bill for their time with me not only because they do not
want a paper trail that supports their wrongs but because I do not have
a Heath Care Card or a SIN or even a Drivers Licence thanks to our far
from honourable Prime Ministers and their many cohorts. Years later I
called the Shrink from the Ukraine. He claimed he never met me and to
never call him again. I warned him there may come a summons to court
some day because murder is a capital crime and there is no statute of
limitions on the cover up of that crime. Hence I have all the time in
the world N'esy Pas?
David Amos
@Ziad Abi Saab "Try, maybe it gets through."
I tried
I tried
David Amos
@Jennifer McIsaac "What a waste of potential for the students and the cost of their education."
Methinks that is well worth repeating N'esy Pas?
Methinks that is well worth repeating N'esy Pas?
Ian MacDonald
Just more spots for other students.
Lots of countries in the world.
Lots of Canadians wanting to be doctors.
Sure there will be pain, but in the end it will be a growing pain.
Lots of countries in the world.
Lots of Canadians wanting to be doctors.
Sure there will be pain, but in the end it will be a growing pain.
David Amos
@Ian MacDonald "Sure there will be pain, but in the end it will be a growing pain."
Methinks I should be grateful that there is at least one MacDonald that makes sense to me today N'esy Pas?
Methinks I should be grateful that there is at least one MacDonald that makes sense to me today N'esy Pas?
Ian MacDonald
@Jack O Hill
At some point the money doesn't matter. There are other foreign students who would like to get medical training in a western nation.
Perhaps China, perhaps students from the USA, perhaps it will all be Canadian students who won't have to compete with foreign students.
The sky is not falling.
At some point the money doesn't matter. There are other foreign students who would like to get medical training in a western nation.
Perhaps China, perhaps students from the USA, perhaps it will all be Canadian students who won't have to compete with foreign students.
The sky is not falling.
David Amos
@Ian MacDonald "The sky is not falling."
Methinks in the end a wacko Saudi Prince pitching a fit may be considered the cause of manna to fall from heaven for many Canadian med students seeking residency status N'esy Pas?
Methinks in the end a wacko Saudi Prince pitching a fit may be considered the cause of manna to fall from heaven for many Canadian med students seeking residency status N'esy Pas?
David Amos
@Rick Connoly Methinks all you have to do is Google my name and you can source a lot of irrefutable facts N'esy Pas?
Lieschen Mueller
The Saudi medical residents
can easily be replaced. And if any especially female Saudi medical
residents want to stay on, we should let them because it would further
infuriate the Saudis with their silly theocracy.
David Amos
@Lieschen Mueller Methinks
you make a lot more sense than the Yankee lawyer Robert Mueller ever did
I would wager that many Canadians would agree that you are credit to
your last name N'esy Pas?
Winston Smith
@David Amos
You sound quite mad, sir.
You sound quite mad, sir.
David Amos
Lieschen Mueller
@David Amos
If you are going to use a French expression, at least make sure you spell it correctly.
If you are going to use a French expression, at least make sure you spell it correctly.
David Amos
@Lieschen Mueller I did
David Amos
@Lieschen Mueller Check page 2 to see that I was not joking about your name
https://www.scribd.com/document/2619437/CROSS-BORDER
Methinks Robert Mueller laughed as no Canadian politicians spoke up in my defense while I was falsely imprisoned in the USA after I ran for a seat in the 38th Parliament .It should be obvious to you now as to why I don't care if you don't like my Chiac N'esy Pas?
https://www.scribd.com/document/2619437/CROSS-BORDER
Methinks Robert Mueller laughed as no Canadian politicians spoke up in my defense while I was falsely imprisoned in the USA after I ran for a seat in the 38th Parliament .It should be obvious to you now as to why I don't care if you don't like my Chiac N'esy Pas?
Alex Shetsen
Kick the Saudis out. Train Canadians.
@Alex Shetsen I agree
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David Amos
David Amos
@Erika Blair Methinks you are being a little redundant N'esy Pas?
David Amos
@Erika Blair Methinks its rather interesting that my reply was just blocked N'esy Pas?
Suki McNally
Thank you for this, it is
very illuminating. As a Canadian who has had no family doctor for 6
years I am appalled that Canadian trained doctors are not being given
the chance to fill these gaps. If every residency was tied to a position
in an under-serviced area the shortages would be fixed in ten years.
It seems so simple, I wonder why it hasn't been implemented.
It seems so simple, I wonder why it hasn't been implemented.
David Amos
@Suki McNally "As a Canadian
who has had no family doctor for 6 years I am appalled that Canadian
trained doctors are not being given the chance to fill these gaps."
Methinks as a Canadian who has been refused a Health Care card for many years I should be even more upset that you N'esy Pas?
Methinks as a Canadian who has been refused a Health Care card for many years I should be even more upset that you N'esy Pas?
David Amos
@Jamie Thak Methinks you seem quite fond of Saudi Wannabe Doctors perhaps you are one of them N'esy Pas?
David Amos
@Jim Palmer "Follow the money; because Canadian Universities love that 'foreign student Saudi cash"
YUP
YUP
David Amos
@Jamie Thak "saudi's don't
hold family doctor residencies. look it up. so complain all you want,
but it still doesn't solve your problem"
Methinks complaining to Parliamentarians is only way to solve such a problem N'esy Pas?
Methinks complaining to Parliamentarians is only way to solve such a problem N'esy Pas?
Greg Williams
Here's a novel idea! Why not accept more Canadians into Medical Schools!
@Greg Williams
If you want to provide good education to the Medical students, with hands on training, you can't just ram through a bunch of more students. You'd have to to increase the capacity of the universities. This means also increasing space, teaching faculty, and support staff
If you want to provide good education to the Medical students, with hands on training, you can't just ram through a bunch of more students. You'd have to to increase the capacity of the universities. This means also increasing space, teaching faculty, and support staff
David Amos
@Jonathan Lemon "You'd have to to increase the capacity of the universities"
Methinks there will e more roon with the Saudis gone N'esy Pas?
Methinks there will e more roon with the Saudis gone N'esy Pas?
David Amos
@Chris Healy Methinks you didn't fool anyone with that statement N'esy Pas?
Bob DeJohn
@Greg Williams Sure, but the
government has to pony up for it. These Saudis were funded by Saudia
Arabia and were NOT staying here for jobs after. They were extras and
brought in hundreds of millions of dollars into the system. I doubt the
federal government is going to replace that funding!
David Amos
@Bob DeJohn "I doubt the federal government is going to replace that funding!"
Me Too
Me Too
Jack Jones
This just makes me mad
My kid could not get into Med school here and is being trained in Europe
Now I know why
My kid could not get into Med school here and is being trained in Europe
Now I know why
Matthew Matt
@Jack Jones
there's more to it than just being a canadian
maybe your kid didn't meet the admission requirements?
there's more to it than just being a canadian
maybe your kid didn't meet the admission requirements?
Will Douglas
@Matthew Matt
To start with, provincial governments could offer residency positions to the record 115 medical school grads who were denied spots this year. That's right, 115 qualified graduates from Canadian medical schools were stalled on their road to doctorhood, basically because the government could depend on the Saudis.
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Missed this part did you?
To start with, provincial governments could offer residency positions to the record 115 medical school grads who were denied spots this year. That's right, 115 qualified graduates from Canadian medical schools were stalled on their road to doctorhood, basically because the government could depend on the Saudis.
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Missed this part did you?
@Will Douglas
no i read it willie.
but thanks for being redundant
no i read it willie.
but thanks for being redundant
Jonathan Lemon
@Jack Jones
You misunderstand the issue. The Saudis are here training as residents - they have already earned the medical degree. Residents are not taking spots from potential medical students. If your kid did not get into med school here, it was that his/her application or interview was strong enough. Many students going to Med school now have a graduate degree (either a Master's or PhD), so it is definitely a very competitive process to get accepted to Canadian medical schools.
You misunderstand the issue. The Saudis are here training as residents - they have already earned the medical degree. Residents are not taking spots from potential medical students. If your kid did not get into med school here, it was that his/her application or interview was strong enough. Many students going to Med school now have a graduate degree (either a Master's or PhD), so it is definitely a very competitive process to get accepted to Canadian medical schools.
Jonathan Lemon
@Jonathan Lemon
whoops....." it was that his/her application or interview was NOT strong enough..."
whoops....." it was that his/her application or interview was NOT strong enough..."
Jack Jones
@Matthew Matt
Full scholarship
4.0 average
Aced the MCAT
She made it into a prestigious medical school in Europe and is now on full scholarship over there! Starting 3rd year.
I am angry as a Canadian that we have LOST this valuable asset to our country.
PS
When she finishes Med School she would have practiced IN CANADA!
Full scholarship
4.0 average
Aced the MCAT
She made it into a prestigious medical school in Europe and is now on full scholarship over there! Starting 3rd year.
I am angry as a Canadian that we have LOST this valuable asset to our country.
PS
When she finishes Med School she would have practiced IN CANADA!
Jonathan Lemon
@Jack Jones
Sounds like she didn't pass the interview stage? There is a lot more than grades and MCAT that is evaluated during the interviews.
Sounds like she didn't pass the interview stage? There is a lot more than grades and MCAT that is evaluated during the interviews.
Jack Jones
@Jonathan Lemon
See my reply
See my reply
Jonathan Lemon
@Jack Jones
Also, many students applying to medical school have the same fantastic grades and MCAT scores as your daughter.
Also, many students applying to medical school have the same fantastic grades and MCAT scores as your daughter.
Jack Jones
@Jonathan Lemon
She is top of her class and on full scholarship in Europe
Was recently published in CMAJ for her research as an undergrad!
She would serve us well as a physician in Canada
Mostly because she IS a Canadian who would have practiced in Canada
She is top of her class and on full scholarship in Europe
Was recently published in CMAJ for her research as an undergrad!
She would serve us well as a physician in Canada
Mostly because she IS a Canadian who would have practiced in Canada
@Jack Jones really our med
system relies on Saudis? Either our led system is insanely corrupt or
grossly mismanaged . I lean towards the corruption part. I find it hard
to believe we have a shortage when last year a Canadian med committed
suicide because he was rejected for the last three years. Sad
Jamie Thak
@Jack Jones you're missing
the point. these are grads from med school getting residency spots.
your kid didn't get into medical school for other reasons, not because
the Saudi's got in. They aren't in medical school.
Jamie Thak
@Jack Jones again has nothing to do with the Saudis. but i agree with your point
Karen King
@Jack Jones
It's hard to get into med school, you have to be the best, she may be good but clearly not good enough.
Meanwhile there are seats set aside for foreign students, foreign meaning anyone that is not a Canadian, these seats will be filled and maybe just maybe they will then stay in Canada where as the Saudies will not and probably cannot.
It's hard to get into med school, you have to be the best, she may be good but clearly not good enough.
Meanwhile there are seats set aside for foreign students, foreign meaning anyone that is not a Canadian, these seats will be filled and maybe just maybe they will then stay in Canada where as the Saudies will not and probably cannot.
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David Amos
David Amos
@Jack Jones "This just makes me mad"
Methinks any Canadian with two clues between their ears should be mad too N'esy Pas?
Methinks any Canadian with two clues between their ears should be mad too N'esy Pas?
Jack Jones
@Karen King
No
Sorry
She is good enough
I know of other students who got in because their dad is a doctor
No
Sorry
She is good enough
I know of other students who got in because their dad is a doctor
David Amos
@Jonathan Lemon "it was that his/her application or interview was NOT strong enough..."
Methinks that Mr Jones was far more polite to you than many other Proud Canadian Fathers would be N'esy Pas?
Methinks that Mr Jones was far more polite to you than many other Proud Canadian Fathers would be N'esy Pas?
David Amos
@Jim Palmer Methinks this article proves the problem goes far deeper than that N'esy Pas?
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David Amos
@Jack Jones "This just makes me mad"
Methinks any Canadian with two clues between their ears would be as mad as I if they discovered that CBC had disabled their first comment supporting you after it had stood all day N'esy Pas?
Methinks any Canadian with two clues between their ears would be as mad as I if they discovered that CBC had disabled their first comment supporting you after it had stood all day N'esy Pas?
David Amos
@Lieschen Mueller "Sigh, and
even if she decides post finishing her degree that she wants to practice
in Canada, all kinds of silly obstacles will likely be placed in her
way."
Methinks everybody understands that is why her Father and many others are mad N'esy Pas?
Methinks everybody understands that is why her Father and many others are mad N'esy Pas?
Peter Frinton
The handy financial benefits of hosting Saudi medical residents aside, they can be replaced.
Each year, Canadian medical graduates have to compete to get residency positions. Countless foreign nationals apply as well, and are largely turned down for lack of slots.
So very quickly, recent graduates and experienced physicians from the Caribbean, Ukraine and Croatia, India, South Africa and myriad other countries will fill the gap. What won't be likely filled is the $135 million support gap. That's $4/ Canadian- I think we can afford that.
Each year, Canadian medical graduates have to compete to get residency positions. Countless foreign nationals apply as well, and are largely turned down for lack of slots.
So very quickly, recent graduates and experienced physicians from the Caribbean, Ukraine and Croatia, India, South Africa and myriad other countries will fill the gap. What won't be likely filled is the $135 million support gap. That's $4/ Canadian- I think we can afford that.
Dwight Williams
@Peter Frinton
Anybody from any sane regime is better.
Anybody from any sane regime is better.
David Amos
@Dwight Williams I concur
Cindy Fordyce
International student doctors
should be extras in the system - they should not be used as part of the
system. Canada is short of doctors and yet our own medical students
can't get residencies. Cdn students should be all available spots and
international students should be a plus to all teaching
hospitals/facilities.
Kerry Thurston
@Stan Roberts
You get it.....many don't.
Canadian patients will ultimately pay the price.
You get it.....many don't.
Canadian patients will ultimately pay the price.
David Amos
@Kerry Thurston Perhaps you don't get it. Methinks we are already paying bigtime N'esy Pas?
David Amos
@Jamie Thak Methinks you should study my comments that CBC did not block N'esy Pas?
David Amos
@Jamie Thak "ummm you should read the article."
Methinks its too bad you cannot read all my replies to you N'esy Pas?
Methinks its too bad you cannot read all my replies to you N'esy Pas?
David Amos
@Tony MacLellan "They take resident spots from Canadians."
Methinks that is not rocket science to understand however liberal spin doctors wish to ignore the obvious N'esy Pas?
Methinks that is not rocket science to understand however liberal spin doctors wish to ignore the obvious N'esy Pas?
Danny Tanker
The Saudi temper tantrum could land one devastating blow — to Canadian health care:"
No matter, we stand out ground and don't bow to this 1st century regime.
No matter, we stand out ground and don't bow to this 1st century regime.
David Amos
@Danny Tanker Exactly
David Amos
@Chris Healy "Failed PMs
don’t get re-elected, failed authoritarian rulers go out like Gaddafi. I
think his highness will blink first."
Methinks Trudeau The Younger must be paying you overtime N'esy Pas?
Methinks Trudeau The Younger must be paying you overtime N'esy Pas?
Chris Healy
@David Amos yes by and me thinks some have no worries for getting overtime as me thinks some don’t even have a job
David Amos
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The Saudi temper tantrum could land one devastating blow — to Canadian health care: Neil Macdonald
Our system depends on some 800 Saudi medical residents
Here's a proposed Canadian reply to the escalating Saudi temper tantrum. Call in the kingdom's ambassador and tell him: Sorry, Mr. Ambassador, but Canadian universities will never again accept Saudi medical residents.
The government could explain that cancelling orders for relatively piddling amounts of wheat and maple syrup is the kingdom's perfect right, subject of course to any contractual penalties. And frankly, we can do without the piddling amount of Saudi oil we import. It's not like we don't have any of our own. The world's not going to come to an end.
But, very sorry, Canada regards the health care of its citizens as a most serious obligation.
We know he's your boss, Mr. Ambassador, and that you're probably terrified of him, but we simply cannot allow a Middle Eastern despot-in-waiting to ever again put public health in jeopardy by yanking 800 Saudi doctors-in-training from Canadian teaching hospitals because he's sulking over a mildly critical Canadian tweet.
Ultimately, Prince Mohammed bin Salman has the sovereign right to behave like Torquemada in a jalabiya if he chooses.
But we can't play games with Canadians' health, Mr. Ambassador, so your government will have to find another country to use as a training facility for your medical school grads. Shukran, wa maasalaame, princeling.
Wouldn't that be a satisfying message to deliver? It would go over pretty well with the Canadian public, too, I'll wager.
Dependence on Saudi residents
The trouble is, we just can't afford to get up on our hind legs like that. Unfortunately, we need those Saudi medical residents. Unfortunately, we are needy.
Here are the facts, in their shabby splendor:
In Canada, the provincial governments tightly control the number of medical residents – medical school grads who spend three to five years working in Canadian hospitals, qualifying as doctors.
Residents are paid relatively poorly, earning something in the area of $65,000 a year, but their services are a vital part of the health care system.
In 2018, the provinces funded 3,308 residency positions. Those residents eventually become fully practising doctors, and governments, which strive to contain medical budgets in our publicly insured system, are always anxious to limit the number of doctors who will eventually be billing the system. Money ultimately trumps public need.
Which brings us to the Saudis.
Saudi medical school graduates arrive with lots of money, and are warmly welcomed. Not only does the Saudi government cover their salaries, it pays Canadian governments for the privilege of training in our hospitals and caring for Canadian patients.
According to Prof. Joe Schwarcz, who specializes in science and public policy at McGill University, the Saudis hand over roughly $100,000 per resident per year. This year, there are 800 Saudis in addition to the 3,308 Canadian-government-funded positions, meaning the Saudis comprise about 20 per cent of the 4,108 residents in Canadian hospitals. Taking into consideration the salaries hospitals don't have to pay them and the money their government pays for their training, those Saudi residents effectively bring $165,000 apiece per year with them, for a total this year of about $132 million.
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And in September, Saudi Arabia's crown prince intends to yank them all, and all his money, unless he receives an abject apology from Prime Minister Justin Trudeau for the federal government's criticism of Saudi human rights abuses.
In theory – in theory — the disappearance of the Saudi residents won't matter. Schwarcz says the provinces take the position that the 3,308 resident slots it funds are sufficient to meet the system's needs, and that the 800 Saudi residents are all extraneous. In other words, it's nice to have them, but we don't really need them.
But, says Prof. Schwarcz, that's just another of the fictions that go into the illusion that our medical system is providing all Canadians with excellent and timely health care.
"They are said to be extras, but they are not extras. The fact is that the Canadian residency slots by themselves are not enough to service the hospitals properly. Governments have come to depend on the Saudi residents. They are 20 per cent of the working hands of the resident work force, and when we lose them in September, of course patients will feel the loss. Of course there will be consequences."
- Saudi Arabia pulls its medical patients from Canadian hospitals
- Saudi Arabia to sell off Canadian assets and stop buying Canadian wheat and barley
But, because Canadian medical residents go on to become full-fledged Canadian doctors (unlike the Saudis, who go back home when their residencies are complete), that would necessarily mean creating more permanent positions for specialists and family doctors in Canada, which carries obvious costs for the provinces. Schwarcz says creating more positions is not just necessary, but urgent.
"Our system is short staffed. It's obvious to anyone who looks at the waiting lists and the beds in hospital corridors. How ridiculous is it that some Canadians cannot find family doctors? The basic problem is that there aren't enough doctors in Canada, period."
To start with, provincial governments could offer residency positions to the record 115 medical school grads who were denied spots this year. That's right, 115 qualified graduates from Canadian medical schools were stalled on their road to doctorhood, basically because the government could depend on the Saudis. Then the government could add another 700 positions.
But that would mean finding $132 million somewhere. Far more likely, the federal government will negotiate some sort of face-saving arrangement to soothe the thin-skinned prince.
Because we need to. We need those Saudi residents, just as we need all those General Dynamics factory jobs in London, Ont., where Canadian workers proudly build the billions worth of war machines and weapons platforms – or, as Trudeau likes to call them, "Jeeps" — that help enable Prince Mohammed Bin Salman's campaigns to crush dissent and Shia Muslim nationalism on the Arabian peninsula, particularly Yemen, where the Saudis have escalated a ruinous, bloody civil war.
Bin Salman's army sometimes doesn't do the best job – it managed to slaughter at least 29 schoolchildren in Yemen last week – but you won't hear much about that from Trudeau's ministers.
Discretion, as the Liberals are learning, is profitable. Criticism, however principled, costs money.
This column is part of CBC's Opinion section. For more information about this section, please read this editor's blog and our FAQ.
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