David Raymond Amos @DavidRayAmos
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http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/ontario-wants-john-a-macdonald-statue-1.4783329
Ontario government wants statue of Sir John A. Macdonald that Victoria has put into storage
'1867 was a different time,' PC MPP says during question period
· CBC News · Posted: Aug 13, 2018 1:03 PM ET
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Jane Beagle had the top comment thread but it went "POOF" when I refreshed the page. I saved my comments that were published within it but they were all blocked anyway N'esy Pas?
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David Amos
@Jane Beagle Methinks this is just tempest in a teapot but CBC took Doug Ford's bait to write something about his new mandate N'esy Pas?
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David Amos
@Troy Mann Methinks the beancounter in you should read all the comments then do a proper tally N'esy Pas?
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David Amos
@david mccaig What should we call what you are spewing?
David Chambers
Let's bring Sir John A home. Tearing down one culture to appease another is not reconciliation.
David Amos
@David Chambers True
Nick Kandiuk
It's good of Ontario to offer
to take the John A. MacDonald statue. Our first Prime Minister was not
perfect but sill a great historical figure deserving of our respect.
Kurt Westerguard
@Nick Kandiuk
Good point Nick. I think the biggest issue we face today is we can't conceptualize
how hard it was to live back then. We didn't have social programs that allowed us to sit on our hands and get fed, clothed and sheltered. So what is clearly happening is that when we judge the decisions that people used to make we don't put them in the proper context.
Good point Nick. I think the biggest issue we face today is we can't conceptualize
how hard it was to live back then. We didn't have social programs that allowed us to sit on our hands and get fed, clothed and sheltered. So what is clearly happening is that when we judge the decisions that people used to make we don't put them in the proper context.
David Amos
@Kurt Westerguard Welcome to the Circus
bill chagwich
Trudeau's politically correct world has gone wild, and out of hand
@david mccaig
Then all statues of every Prime Minister since confederation should come down. They are all complicit.
Diefenbaker worshipped Sir John A. So do I. Should his statue come down ? I think not.
I cannot tell you strongly enough that I do not have sympathy for you and do not bare your self inflicted cross.
And I offer you nothing to compensate.
My sympathy does goes out to those who overcome their sufferings and seek closure by means of modern realistic solutions .
Then all statues of every Prime Minister since confederation should come down. They are all complicit.
Diefenbaker worshipped Sir John A. So do I. Should his statue come down ? I think not.
I cannot tell you strongly enough that I do not have sympathy for you and do not bare your self inflicted cross.
And I offer you nothing to compensate.
My sympathy does goes out to those who overcome their sufferings and seek closure by means of modern realistic solutions .
David Amos
@Colin Seeley Methinks the
folks in Victoria should put a statue of your hero Harper in MacDonald's
stead after all he apologized N'esy Pas?
Mick Loosemore
@David Amos
Still having trouble, David? Slow learner, I guess...
Let me help -- you can just copy & paste:
, n'est-ce pas?
Hope this helps
Still having trouble, David? Slow learner, I guess...
Let me help -- you can just copy & paste:
, n'est-ce pas?
Hope this helps
Dwight Williams
Men are limited by the
culture they grew up in at the time, and we all have our shortcomings
and foibles. Sir John A. was no different. That doesn't make him an e
vile man, or make it desirable to take statues of him down.
Jon Mark
@Robert Lee
I don't think Victoria thinks he is.
I think about 8 to 10 people in Victoria think he is. The rest have never had an opinion until it was forced upon them.
I don't think Victoria thinks he is.
I think about 8 to 10 people in Victoria think he is. The rest have never had an opinion until it was forced upon them.
David Amos
@Jon Mark I agree
Roger Williams
John A. did more for this
country on his worst day than the city council in Victoria has ever, or
will ever do on all of their days combined. Its tragic what the
apologists are doing to this country.
Richard Hertz
@Roger Williams
Did John A make Confederation happen?
Nope, British foreign policy did.
Did he build the railroad?
No, he facilitated a financial transaction whereby Canadian consumers got fleeced by British investors.
Did he create the National Policy?
No, he parroted what the financial interests in Ontario and Montreal wanted (domestic protection of manufacturing through tariffs).
Politicians don't "do" anything - they just sign the papers that have the walking orders of wealthy financial interests.
Did John A make Confederation happen?
Nope, British foreign policy did.
Did he build the railroad?
No, he facilitated a financial transaction whereby Canadian consumers got fleeced by British investors.
Did he create the National Policy?
No, he parroted what the financial interests in Ontario and Montreal wanted (domestic protection of manufacturing through tariffs).
Politicians don't "do" anything - they just sign the papers that have the walking orders of wealthy financial interests.
David Amos
@Richard Hertz All good points sir
John Smith
Removing statues won't be enough.
Soon mentioning the name Sir John A. Macdonald will be a hate crime.
Soon mentioning the name Sir John A. Macdonald will be a hate crime.
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David Amos
@John Smith Methinks the left wing nuts are very easy to get revved up N'esy Pas?
Ben Smith
Rewriting history the left wing way...
David Amos
@Ben Smith Methinks they must have their "news speak" first N'esy Pas?
David James
Obviously the people of BC
need to brush up on their pre-confederation history. In fact, BC owes a
debt of gratitude to our Sir John A. The naive removal of his statue to
appease a minority of people is simply embarrassing.
Marco Torres
@David James
to appease a minority of people
is it about J-Bankers?
to appease a minority of people
is it about J-Bankers?
David Amos
@Marco Torres Perhaps you are right on the money
Ontario government wants statue of Sir John A. Macdonald that Victoria has put into storage
'1867 was a different time,' PC MPP says during question period
· CBC News · Posted: Aug 13, 2018 1:03 PM ET
Ontario's tourism minister says her
government would be happy to provide a new home for the statue of Sir
John A. Macdonald that was taken down in Victoria, even though there is
already a large statue of Canada's first prime minister directly in
front of Queen's Park.
Victoria city council voted to remove the statue as a gesture of reconciliation last week. It noted Macdonald's role in establishing the residential school system, which tore some 150,000 First Nation, Inuit and Métis children away from their communities and families.
Days later, the statue was removed, wrapped in foam and carted off on a flatbed truck to a storage facility.
On Monday, Sylvia Jones, the Dufferin-Caledon MPP named to PC Premier Doug Ford's first cabinet this summer, said her government has written to Victoria's mayor about acquiring the statue.
"History matters," she said during question period.
Tourism
Minister Sylvia Jones says Ontario would be happy to have the statue,
but Victoria has no plans to sell it or give it away. (CBC)
Jones
said she realizes Macdonald's legacy has been a "cause for much
discussion," and said he was a "flawed" individual, but that "people are
complicated" and the statue should be a place for people to learn.
Goldie Ghamari, the PC MPP for the Ottawa-area riding of Carleton, went further to defend Macdonald.
Ghamari said she was "shocked" by Victoria's decision, calling it an attempt to erase part of Canada's history and "political correctness run amok."
She added that 1867 "was a different time and we should not judge our founding fathers solely on the knowledge we possess today."
Neither politician used the words residential school.
The Grand Council Chief for Anishinabek Nation Glen Hare questioned why the government would go to such lengths to get a statue that many in his community find deeply offensive.
"We still have people trying to find out who they are and where they come from … and all of this is because of that one man," Hare told Radio-Canada.
"We don't have room for that statue, or for that kind of history at all."
Hare suggested the statue should remain in storage, allowing people to move on to better projects. He said he'd like to see the government do more to revitalize Indigenous culture and language, for example.
"We don't need statues," he said.
Reached by phone, the office of Victoria's mayor said it has no plans to sell or give away the statue.
PC House leader Todd Smith wrote to Victoria Mayor Lisa Helps on Aug. 10, even offering to co-ordinate the transportation and delivery of the monument.
Smith said the Macdonald statue, if acquired, would stand on Ontario government property, and praised the former prime minister for building and shaping the country and province.
"Our government does not believe his memory and legacy should collect dust in a storage facility," Smith wrote. "Tearing down statues does not erase the past."
Victoria city council voted to remove the statue as a gesture of reconciliation last week. It noted Macdonald's role in establishing the residential school system, which tore some 150,000 First Nation, Inuit and Métis children away from their communities and families.
On Monday, Sylvia Jones, the Dufferin-Caledon MPP named to PC Premier Doug Ford's first cabinet this summer, said her government has written to Victoria's mayor about acquiring the statue.
"History matters," she said during question period.
'Shocked' by Victoria's move
Goldie Ghamari, the PC MPP for the Ottawa-area riding of Carleton, went further to defend Macdonald.
Ghamari said she was "shocked" by Victoria's decision, calling it an attempt to erase part of Canada's history and "political correctness run amok."
She added that 1867 "was a different time and we should not judge our founding fathers solely on the knowledge we possess today."
Neither politician used the words residential school.
'We don't need statues,' says Indigenous leader
The Grand Council Chief for Anishinabek Nation Glen Hare questioned why the government would go to such lengths to get a statue that many in his community find deeply offensive.
"We still have people trying to find out who they are and where they come from … and all of this is because of that one man," Hare told Radio-Canada.
"We don't have room for that statue, or for that kind of history at all."
Hare suggested the statue should remain in storage, allowing people to move on to better projects. He said he'd like to see the government do more to revitalize Indigenous culture and language, for example.
"We don't need statues," he said.
Victoria has no plans to part with statue
Reached by phone, the office of Victoria's mayor said it has no plans to sell or give away the statue.
PC House leader Todd Smith wrote to Victoria Mayor Lisa Helps on Aug. 10, even offering to co-ordinate the transportation and delivery of the monument.
Smith said the Macdonald statue, if acquired, would stand on Ontario government property, and praised the former prime minister for building and shaping the country and province.
"Our government does not believe his memory and legacy should collect dust in a storage facility," Smith wrote. "Tearing down statues does not erase the past."
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