Monday 22 July 2019

Get a text from Sarah?

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David Raymond Amos @DavidRayAmos 5
Sarah won't text me Methinks its because Mr Sona and his old boss don't love me N'esy Pas?


https://davidraymondamos3.blogspot.com/2019/07/get-text-from-sarah.html



 

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/political-messages-political-parties-texts-anti-spam-laws-1.5216679
 


Get a text from Sarah? Why it's allowed and what you can do to stop it





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Helga Saint Pierre ( Emma Bassi)
Remember the targeted robocall scandal in Ontario when people were sent to incorrect voting stations? I do, and i have zero tolerance for the Conservative/Reform party since then.


David Sampson 
Reply to @Helga Saint Pierre ( Emma Bassi):

More commonly known as the Western Regional Reform Fundamentalist Party.



Jeremy Kemp 
Reply to @David Sampson: Conservative reform alliance party or c.r.a.p.


Jack Adam
Reply to @Helga Saint Pierre ( Emma Bassi): I do as well. A friend of mine got the call to mis direct him, but got it after he voted. So it failed. He thought nothing of it until the scandal broke. I wouldn't trust the modern conservative party to run a lemonade stand. Never mind the country.


Marguerite Deschamps 
No matter how hard they tried, I will never ever again vote for that regressive party. 


David Mccaig
Reply to @Helga Saint Pierre ( Emma Bassi):
Low down dirty politics thats conservatives with no conscience.

  

David Mccaig
Reply to @Helga Saint Pierre ( Emma Bassi):
Former Conservative staffer Michael Sona has been sentenced to nine months in jail plus a year on probation for trying to keep some voters in Guelph, Ont., from casting ballots in the 2011 federal election.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/michael-sona-sentenced-to-9-months-in-jail-for-callous-robocalls-1.2839410



David Amos 
Reply to @david mccaig: Surprise Surprise Surprise 
 
David Amos
Reply to @david mccaig: Methinks everybody knows Sona worked for Rob Moore and why I mentioned that fact during a debate when I ran against that lawyer again in 2015 N'esy Pas?


Alexandre Hilton 
Reply to @Helga Saint Pierre ( Emma Bassi): That's comparing apples to bazookas. Not an apt comparison AT ALL. You die-hard libs sure like to complain about everything......


David Mccaig 
Reply to @David Amos:
REALLY DIRTY POLITICS
Rob Moore ran in the 2000 federal election for the Canadian Alliance(Canadian Reform Conservative Alliance) in the New Brunswick riding of Fundy—Royal. Following the 2003 merger of the Progressive Conservatives and the Canadian Alliance into the new Conservative Party of Canada, Moore ran as the Conservative candidate in the 2004 Moore won the rematch. In the 2006 election and won again.On January 19, 2010, Moore was appointed to cabinet as the Minister of State (Small Business and Tourism) by Stephen Harper. He was eventually released from cabinet after the general election in May 2011. Michael Sona, the only person charged in relation the 2011 Canadian federal election voter suppression scandal, worked as a communications special assistant for Moore after the election.



David Amos
Reply to @david mccaig: Methinks I should ask why you ignored the fact that I ran against Moore twice and sued the Crown as well N'esy Pas?


David Mccaig 
Reply to @David Amos: ok im asking


David Amos
 
David Amos
Reply to @david mccaig: Who do you think is the Conservative Shadow Minister in the Maritimes?

Methinks many folks in Fundy Royal think this was too funny N'esy Pas?

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/immigration-atlantic-canada-alaina-lockhart-1.4156475

"Witnesses 'disrespected'

But since the study was launched several weeks ago, Lockhart said, things appear to have changed.

Witnesses from universities, municipalities, and the provinces, including former New Brunswick premier Frank McKenna, have travelled to Ottawa to speak about the issue, but testimony has been "interrupted, disrespected and ignored," she said.

"Unfortunately, in the actual committee, we have seen significant disrespect to witnesses in terms of how they're questioned, and also filibustering, which means that their testimony is interrupted," Lockhart said. "Procedurally, it means that they don't get to share their information, which is very discouraging."

She said she'd like to see opposition members stop "attacking" Atlantic Canada in an attempt to "glorify [their] own position or political futures."



David Amos
Reply to @david mccaig: Go Figure

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/rob-moore-conservative-1.3913897

"Like any regular federal politician, former Conservative cabinet minister Rob Moore is a busy man these days.

Based in Saint John, he often travels to Ottawa to attend meetings of the Tory caucus and shadow cabinet. He keeps a close watch on issues affecting Atlantic Canadians, and he often meets with business people and conducts media interviews.

But Moore is no ordinary politician. In fact, he isn't even a member of Parliament, even though he's the Conservative critic for Atlantic Canada. "

"Moore, the former minister responsible for the Atlantic Canada Opportunities Agency, now works full-time for the Conservative leader's office, doing his part to keep the party connected with a region that has no opposition MPs.

While it's true the Conservatives and New Democrats in Atlantic Canada were humbled by voters' wholesale rejection of the parties last year, both opposition parties are already rebuilding for the next election.

The NDP, for example, has appointed Quebec MP Guy Caron to be their Atlantic watchdog — his eastern Quebec riding is adjacent to northwestern New Brunswick.

"We're staying appraised of what is going on," said Caron.

"The issues of my riding are issues of Atlantic Canada."

Caron said forestry, fisheries and employment insurance are among the common themes, and he's quick to add that he has an extra assistant in Ottawa to help him with the Atlantic file."  



David Allan
Reply to @Patrick Flanagan:
"Yeah I remember when the liberals in Guelph got a big fine for using Robo Calls to deliver fake information, remember that? "

Yes, I remember that.

Guelph MP Frank Valeriote, a member of the Liberal party. Mr. Valeriote, who will be fined $4,900, was found to have used robocalls during the last campaign that did not identify the Liberal party as the source.

Seems like a minor peccadillo compared to what the CPC does.
The Court found that Sona displayed a "callous and blatant disregard for the right of people to vote" as part of an "ill-conceived and disturbing plan".

Remember, Scheer's boy in Alberta attacked democracy within his own party. You don't think they care about democracy for the rest of us, do you? They don't even support it for themselves.


 
David Amos
Reply to @david mccaig: Methinks you cannot deny the obvious N'esy Pas?


David Amos
Reply to @Marguerite Deschamps: Methinks you SANB dudes never did in the first place N'esy Pas?
 
David Amos
Reply to @Alexandre Hilton: Methinks wannabe lawyers are not better N'esy Pas? 


David Amos
Reply to @David Allan: Sarah won't text me Methinks its because Mr Sona and his old boss don't love me N'esy Pas?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-cFOKT6TlSE
 










David White
If you think this is annoying, just wait for the Con's to start running their American style attack ads rather than push an actual agenda.

I would have considered the Con's before Mulroney destroyed the party before the Reform/Allies cashed in on the name.

Kind of sad you end up voting for the party you least dislike. 

 

David Amos
Reply to @David White: Welcome to the Circus  


Default User
Reply to @Bill Brown: "While I don't like Trudeau and likely won't vote for him, the CPC will be worse for most of us Canadians". No truer words have ever been spoken.


David Amos  
Reply to @Default User: Please explain your name to me real slow


David Mccaig 
Reply to @MASSEY JONES:
Quote Massey Jones "Actually, I'll be frank, "climate change" and their insistence on it, is what is eventually going to destroy the NDP, "
Sorry I dont agree, when all hell breaks loose from the effects of climate change, both the cons and the libs will be condemned for cuddling the oil industry instead of stating a stand to reduce carbon emissions. NDP'ers like BC's John Horgan will be seen as a politician principled person, a hero, who took a stand that wasn't popular at the time.



David Amos 
Reply to @david mccaig: Yea Right Say Hey to Horgan and Eby will ya?


David Mccaig 
Reply to @david mccaig:
Alberta Conservative Jason Kenney is still under RCMP investigation for rigging his own election.


David Amos  
Reply to @david mccaig: Methinks its a not wise to play dumb today with a RCMP investigation underway N'esy Pas?












Maddie Harris
It doesn't matter if they're federal or provincial Cons they all wear the same stripes. Look at what the Cons have done to Manitoba and now to Ontario. Trust me federally we don't want that kind of governance. Anything other than cons is a lesser evil. 


Shane MacDonald
Reply to @Maddie Harris:

I am no fan of the federal conservatives, or of the brand of conservatism in AB or ON. Having said that, I do find some of the provincial PC parties to be very different. Some of them actively distance themselves from the federal Conservative party, and I find that to be much more than just strategy. I think there is a genuine difference in the ideologies in many provincial PC parties.

Not stumping for either side - I just call a spade a spade.

 

David Amos  
Reply to @Maddie Harris: YUP but methinks all the other political parties are no better Hence voting for Independents is the only way to go N'esy Pas?


Default Use 
Reply to @Maddie Harris: While I don't like Trudeau and likely won't vote for him, the CPC will be worse for most of us Canadians


David Amos   
Reply to @Default User: Methinks that's the default setting of the Fake Left N'esy Pas?


Shane MacDonald 
Reply to @Shaun Lo:

I explicitly lumped the AB (and ON) Conservatives in with the federal ones. It is some of the others I am talking about - largely in Atlantic Canada



David Amos  
Reply to @Default User: Methinks the cat must have your tongue N'esy Pas?















Mark Jean
It's easy to understand why this is occurring; the Conservatives do not value privacy.


Alexandre Hilton
Reply to @Mark Jean: I'm willing to bet 100$ that you have a Facebook account, along with 95% of the rest of the population. The OVERWHELMING majority of people have no right to make that argument, because having a Facebook account by definition means you don't value your own privacy.


David Amos 
Reply to @Alexandre Hilton: Methinks you should review my words to you in the past N'esy Pas? 


Louren Organzo
Reply to @Alexandre Hilton: No, using a connected facebook account (connected to your phone and other devices) does, perhaps, indicate that privacy isn't important but simply having a FB account does not. I have a FB account that I use for a few personal relationships, I do not use the messenger and I do not have FB enabled on my phone. FB only knows the things about me that I do not care about and are more-or-less public information. FB is a tool and if used carefully can be quite useful, just don't let it use you.


Alexandre Hilton
Reply to @David Amos: Yeah, we've sparred in the past, Gandalf, but I don't know exactly what you're referring to... Personally, I don't have any social media at all, FB/LinkedIn/Twitter/instagram or anything else, because as I was saying, I value my privacy. I know I am part of a shrinking minority, but I would never willingly divulge so much personal information to a company that literally only makes money by selling people's personal information. Alas, sheep get led to slaughter everyday, and a sucker is born every minute.


Alexandre Hilton
Reply to @Louren Organzo: You clearly don't understand Facebook's business model. There's a reason why it's free.


David Amos  
Reply to @Alexandre Hilton: Methinks I should ask the obvious question Whereas you don't have social media then why did you call me Gandalf like you did again just now N'esy Pas?


Louren Organzo
Reply to @Alexandre Hilton: Oh you are funny. I understand it better than you I'm sure. And it isn't even close to free, but it doesn't cost any direct $ to "users" that is true. That's because you aren't the customer, you are the product.

However, just like those who know the system can make money by using credit cards (I make > $1,000 every year from Mastercard), it is possible to use FB in a safe manner. FB can try to insert itself in my life but it has and will continue to fail to do so. I am in control and FB allows that because I am in a very small group and it isn't worth pursuing. And to be honest, most people would be appalled at the lengths to which I will block FB, Google and the rest but for me, privacy is more important than convenience.












Jeremy Kemp
I don't want any stinkin' drivel from the conservatives. 


John Gerrits
Reply to @Jeremy Kemp: How about from the libs....you can put lipstick on a p-g,but it's still a p-g


Ewan Cameron 
Reply to @John Gerrits: "you can put lipstick on a p-g,but it's still a p-g "
True. How sad is it that so many would prefer a pig with lipstick on it over the Conservatives?



David Amos
Reply to @Jeremy Kemp: Nor I


David Amos
Reply to @John Gerrits: True


David Amos
Reply to @Ewan Cameron: Methinks many folks think its very sad indeed hence they don't bother to vote N'esy Pas?


Ewan Cameron
Reply to @Ewan Cameron: I was notified that there was a reply to my comment but am unable to find it. Sorry about that. For whatever it's worth I have a low opinion of both, maybe all, political parties.  
 

David Amos
Reply to @Ewan Cameron: Methinks its rather obvious to all that it was me N'esy Pas? 














Charles Dunton
That's a complicated question, Sarah.

I would support a Conservative party that stands for the rule of law for everyone and fiscal responsibility.

I cannot support a harper party that stands for none of that and adds intolerance to the mix also. 



Karen King
Reply to @Charles Dunton:
yup, I use to vote conservative but now recognize that con stands for con artist



David Amos 
Reply to @Karen King: Methinks some folks will happy to read that N'esy Pas? 
 










Laurie Clark
"Generally speaking, the Canada Elections Act permits automated messages (calls, texts, etc.) made by, or on behalf of, candidates or political parties," Michelle LaLiberté, a spokesperson for the Commissioner of Canada Elections, wrote in an email." Time for this to change! Get it done Elections Canada! Time for the abuse of Canadians by politicians and political parties to stop!


Mark (Junkman) George
Reply to @Laurie Clark:

Trouble is: the system is set up for politicians to abuse Canadians. Kiss our behinds for 3 months looking for our vote, missing in action for 45 months, if that is not abuse I don't know what is.



David Amos
Reply to @Laurie Clark: Dream on


David Amos
Reply to @Mark (Junkman) George: YUP













David Sampson
I though robocalls were deemed illegal under Election Canada rules. Just because our bureaucracy hasn’t kept pace with the new digital age doesn’t these insidiously invasive loophole actions by a Republican styled political party is morally acceptable.  


David Sampson
Reply to @Craig Delaney:

Not at all Craig. When you look like a duck, talk like a duck and walk like a duck most people will assume you are a duck!
 



David Amos
Reply to @David Sampson: Methinks if you run with turkeys then most folks will consider you a turkey as well N'esy Pas? 















Michael G. L. Geraldson
Sure we can complain to the CRTC , who can fine them, as if that would ever happen.


Rick B. Jordan
Reply to @Michael G. L. Geraldson:
Do these public agencies actually represent our best interests or do they simply create an illusion of accountability?



David Amos
Reply to @Rick B. Jordan : Methinks its all just a smoke and mirror show and its rather irrelevant which party wins the mandate Our country is governed byway of the PCO and all the political parties have seats around the very secretive table mint hat office N'esy Pas?







Get a text from Sarah? Why it's allowed and what you can do to stop it

'They should not be trying to drum up support sending out robot texts. It's ridiculous,' says Beth Arsenault



When Halifax's Beth Arsenault received a text from the Conservative Party of Canada's "Sarah," she wasn't pleased.

The text, also sent to other Canadians, asks if the party could count on her support in the upcoming federal election.

"They should not be trying to drum up support sending out robot texts. It's ridiculous," Arsenault said, adding she feels it's an invasion of privacy.


Arsenault texted back a scathing reply, but was surprised by Sarah's response.

"That's Great! To help us further can you confirm your postal code?" the text said.

21st-century voter outreach


Cory Hann, director of communications for the Conservatives, confirmed his party is behind the robotexts. He said it's using 21st-century technology for voter outreach.

Hann said the party started using texts in April as part of an awareness campaign about the national carbon tax and its impact on provinces where there was no federal-provincial agreement.

"It's just about locating people who are open to our party and who may be open to voting for us in October," Hann said, noting other parties have done the same thing in other provinces.

How did they get your number?


People who responded to the text and asked how the Conservatives got their number were told, "All phone numbers in Canada are available publicly through the Canadian Numbering [and Dialling] Plan."

That's managed by the Canadian Numbering Administrator, which provides phone numbers to the Canadian telecommunications industry. It provides new area codes when needed and the first three numbers that follow the area code.

These six digits can then be programmed into a robocaller, which then texts all of the possible number combinations using those six digits and the remaining four digits.

Exemptions for political parties


Under the law, the texts are allowed.

"Generally speaking, the Canada Elections Act permits automated messages (calls, texts, etc.) made by, or on behalf of, candidates or political parties," Michelle LaLiberté, a spokesperson for the Commissioner of Canada Elections, wrote in an email.

She said texts and calls would only violate the act if they falsely claimed to originate from Elections Canada, or came from a political entity that attempted to mislead or prevent electors from voting.

'I think the exemption is being misused'


Canada does have anti-spam legislation, but political parties are exempt from it. They are also exempt from the Do-Not-Call list.

Edward Antecol, general manager of the Canadian Numbering Administrator, told CBC News he has received a half-dozen complaints about the Conservatives' robotexts in the past month.
He believes the exemption for political parties is not appropriate, and "is being misused given the amount of robocalling that's going on."

Nova Scotia PCs distance themselves


The Progressive Conservatives in Nova Scotia have also heard from people not happy about receiving the texts. Spokesperson Catherine Klimek said they haven't tracked the numbers, but the complaints came via calls, emails and Facebook messages.



Nova Scotia PC Leader Tim Houston posted 'a mock text' after getting complaints about the federal Conservative Party of Canada's robotexting. (Tim Houston/Facebook)


As a result, party leader Tim Houston posted his own "mock" text on his Facebook page on July 13, saying he's not Sarah.

"I want to assure you that the Progressive Conservative Party of Nova Scotia is not behind those texts or calls you're receiving," said the post.

The message also said if his party is looking for people's help, it would use a different approach.

"We wanted to clarify that it was the federal Conservative Party, not the provincial Progressive Conservative Party who was sending the texts, and assure members we were not sharing their personal information," Klimek said.

Hann said he laughed when he read Houston's post.

"It's up to every party, provincial and federal, to determine what best works for them as far as doing voter outreach."

He said the texts will continue for the next several months as the election nears.

"We've chosen to use it because it's working well for us," he said, adding if the responses they were getting were "universally panned, we wouldn't be using it."

To stop receiving texts from the Conservative party, people can reply "Stop" and they will be placed on the party's internal do-not-contact list, Hann said.

Corrections

  • An earlier version of this story said political parties can be fined by the Canadian Radio-Television and Telecommunications Commissions (CRTC) if they continue to send text messages to a person who has asked the party to stop contacting them. The CRTC does issue fines if parties do not stop calling someone who has asked them to stop. However, text messages from political parties are exempt from existing legislation. This version has been updated.
    Jul 22, 2019 4:04 PM AT

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