David Raymond Amos @DavidRayAmos
My hat is still off to Mr Miller
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https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/tourism-businesses-in-northern-nb-say-they-re-struggling-because-of-forestry-operations-1.5260086
Why business owners feel stymied by mass forestry operations in northern N.B.
Owners of tourism businesses say herbicide spraying and clearcuts have limited them for years
In 1993, a struggling sheep farmer in northern New Brunswick decided to put a few canoes on his front lawn and rent them out to people looking to explore the Restigouche River.
Those six canoes grew to become a flotilla of 110.
"It just went wild," said Andre Arpin, founder of Arpin Canoe Restigouche.
Today, the business is the premier tourist destination in that part of the province, winning national awards and attracting people from around the globe.
But after 26 years, Arpin said, the wilderness that surrounds the business and the tourism it fosters is under threat from a forest industry that is only concerned about sustaining itself.
CBC News New Brunswick
Clearcutting and spraying threaten tourism, business owners say
Issues with industry
Arpin spent 2½ decades working with his canoes full time. He hired staff to guide guests, transport boats and maintain the fleet.
He sold the business to his daughter a few years ago, but said it continues to thrive solely because of the untouched wilderness of the river.
He said tourists are looking for the version of Canada they see on postcards, and northern New Brunswick is where they find it.
But as Arpin speaks, his voice is drowned out by the roar of logging trucks from across the river.
Andre
Arpin made a living by showcasing the natural beauty of Restigouche
County. But he says a dominant forestry industry threatens tourism
businesses and the wilderness that draws people to the area. (Shane Fowler/CBC)
From the river you can only see trees, but the booming stutter of transport truck brakes and downshifting is deafening."Just behind the trees there is a major road to get all the wood from here to the Quebec border," said Arpin.
"We would have liked to have campsites nearby, but it's impossible with the traffic. There's just no opportunity there because nobody would sleep at night. It's all night."
For Arpin, it's the lost opportunities because of forestry operations that keep the area from taking off.
He said the trail leading to waterfalls on the Gounamitz River has been obliterated. It's no longer a place he can take tourists.
"It's kind of nonsense to bring them to see a nice fall when you drive through clearcut for a while, and it just kind of ruins the whole trip," said Arpin.
"We didn't think they would have a clearcut the whole stretch, all the way to the river. But they've just wiped everything. You were like on the moon."
Andre
Arpin, founder of Arpin Canoe Restigouche, said that when tourists from
other countries travel on the Restigouche River they discover the
Canada they've seen on postcards. (Shane Fowler/CBC)
He said there had been plans to develop a mountain-climbing attraction near Stillwater Brook, along the Restigouche River.He said there is a steep drop "and there was opportunity there," said Arpin.
"We had to fight in order to save that little portion. And the energy we put in fighting, it took too long."
Preservation attempts drew attention to the area. It was clear cut soon after.
"It just kills all the opportunity to develop another aspect of tourism," said Arpin.
'The smell of the chemicals lasts a week'
An hour's drive away is another tourism hotspot on another northern New Brunswick river.
For the last 10 years, Guildo Martel has been renting inflatable tubes to travel down the Little Tobique River just outside Mount Carleton Provincial Park. For two decades prior to that he rented canoes and kayaks for use inside the park.
He's fed up with the disappointment of tourists after they drive through repeated clearcuts. But he's furious with the spraying of herbicides, such as glyphosate, which he said literally leaves a bad taste in tourists' mouths.
Guildo
Martel owns and operates Aventure Mont-Carleton Adventure. He said
forestry operations have had a negative impact on his tourism business. (Shane Fowler/CBC)
"The
smell of the chemicals lasts a week," said Martel, adding that
helicopters were spraying just across the road from his business a few
days earlier."What do you tell the tourists who sit on the tube on the river and hear and see helicopters spraying chemicals?"
Meanwhile, Martel said, the mass of clearcuts has dried up smaller streams leading into the Little Tobique, causing river levels to become unpredictable.
Guildo
Martel says tourists visiting his tube rental company are affected by
forestry operations including clear cutting and herbicide spraying. (Shane Fowler/CBC)
That's
echoed by Arpin, who said the lack of trees has led to flash floods in
recent years. He's had to rescue tourists because flash floods swept
away canoes while they slept along the river overnight."It just raised seven feet and people were on islands and they didn't figure it would come up that much," said Arpin. "They lost five canoes. There were 10 people; no canoes to get downriver.
"There was no forest to regulate water flow. So, it puts people at risk some times."
International Trail clear cut
The thunder of logging trucks, herbicide spray residue and mass clear cutting can be summed up by northern New Brunswick tourism operators as a forest industry that has overstepped its bounds.
To them, nothing showcases the problem more than the clearcutting of the New Brunswick portion of the International Appalachian Trail.
"It's a trail that's supposed to be protected," said Samuel Daigle, a retired family doctor who now is a hiking and kayak guide with Nepisiguit Adventures based in Bathurst. "In the past some parts of the trail have been clear cut.
"How can you mark a trail with no trees on it?"
Much of the trail follows rivers so the trail stays within the buffer zone where logging companies are not legally able to cut trees. But Daigle said those clearcuts loom just a few metres away.
He suspects logging companies target some trails in order to prevent them from becoming potential parks or protected areas.
"They clear cut everything right away," Arpin said. "So, it's just hard to develop and go ahead when you're always blocked in your development."
Clear cutting right up to the signature provincial park has also been a blow to tourist expectations.
"People are disappointed," Daigle said. "Mount Carleton for example. It's a provincial park, it should be one of the few unspoiled places in the province. No cell coverage, You're thinking, 'I'm going to be unplugged and have a pure nature vacation.'
"You're standing on top of Mount Carleton and, geez, you see a lot of clearcuts. And I've seen those reactions, it's really disappointing."
Forestry response
There are a number of forestry companies operating around these tourism companies, including Twin Rivers Paper Company, Fornebu Lumber Company Inc., AV Cell Inc., and JD Irving.
CBC News requested an interview with J.D. Irving Ltd. about the logging truck traffic coming from its Kedgwick sawmill that Arpin claims is responsible for keeping his business from expanding.
JDI would not provide an interview. In a statement, spokesperson Mary Keith did not address the traffic concerns stating only "we are focused on being a good [neighbour] and generating year-round jobs."
The company also did not offer a response to concerns about clearcutting hiking trails.
But a forestry industry advocacy group that represents some of the timber companies operating in northern New Brunswick said it's open to working with tourism companies to make some changes.
"I think there's opportunity to talk and see if there can be minor tweaks or adaptations to management plans on a year-to-year basis to accommodate where possible," said Mike Legere, spokesperson for Forest NB.
Mike
Legere, with the forestry industry advocacy group Forest NB, says the
companies he represents are willing to make some changes to their
operations based on feedback from tourism operators. (Shane Fowler/CBC)
Forest
NB represents Fornebu Lumber Company Inc., Twin Rivers Paper Company
and AV Cell, all companies operating on Crown land timber licences in
the area. It does not represent JD Irving, which operates on its own
private land in northern New Brunswick."They give consideration to things like view lines when they're operating," said Legere. "They don't necessarily have to. But I think to be good corporate citizens they do consider that and they do want to hear what the public has to say, including the business community and the tourism community."
Legere said he's not aware of specific incidents of hiking trails being clear cut, but he said it happens.
He said anyone who comes in contact with herbicide spraying should contact the Department of Energy and Resource Development.
"But there's no doubt that the forest industry is prominent in New Brunswick," Legere said. "I mean we're the most forestry-dependent province in the country based on contribution to GDP."
CBC News made multiple requests for an interview with someone representing the Department of Tourism, Heritage and Culture. No one was made available.
In an emailed statement spokesperson for the department, Jennifer Vienneau wrote, "No concerns have been brought forward regarding forestry operations." The remainder of the statement championed the government's current forestry strategy.
Diverse business wanted
That prominence is what concerns all three tourism operators. They say it's no secret forest companies dominate the northern part of the province, but none of them are entirely opposed to the industry.
"I understand that we need to cut wood," said Daigle. "There's a need for it to cut some, but I feel we're cutting way too much."
They all say they want a reduction on the dependency of a single industry to allow for others to grow, including a focus on high-end wood products.
"I know of people who can make $5,000 or $6,000 out of one tree instead of cutting hundreds and hundreds of trees," said Daigle.
Arpin agreed. He pointed to suffering outfitters as another casualty of forestry operations.
He blamed the disappearance of whitetail deer in his part of the province on clearcuts. The population has been so low in the area for years that hunting deer is prohibited.
He believes removing the spraying of herbicides and a reduction in clearcutting would allow for deer hunting to resume, and outfitters to offer guided deer hunts in the area.
He pointed to the maple syrup industry and the harvesting of forest mushrooms as more examples of businesses that are being squeezed by too much forestry.
"We're losing everything for the profit of one," said Arpin. "That's nonsense for New Brunswick."
106 Comments
Commenting is now closed for this story. David Amos
Methinks Dr Daigle, Mr Martel and Mr Arpin should be commended for speaking up N'esy Pas?
Marguerite Deschamps
Reply to @David Amos: no argument here, David!
Ben Haroldson
Reply to @Marguerite Deschamps: Chalk that up.
Lou Bell
JDI spokesman M.K. gives the Kelly Anne Conway approved " alternate facts " !
Marguerite Deschamps
Reply to @Lou Bell: Roger that!
David Amos
Reply to @Marguerite Deschamps: You tell that to all the guys
Marguerite Deschamps
Reply to @David Amos: not you!
Daniel Rawlins
The
Canadian and many other country's governments condemn Brazil for the
cutting and burning of the rain forest calling it the lungs of the
planet but all forests in the world are part of those lungs, perhaps we
should clean-up our own backyard before pointing fingers at other
nations.
Carroll
Cameron
Reply to @Daniel Rawlins:
Unlike Brazil, NB requires the replanting of cuts, at least on Crown Land.
Unlike Brazil, NB requires the replanting of cuts, at least on Crown Land.
Archie Levesque
Reply to @Carroll Cameron: So what's it like sitting in Empire HQ and following CBC stories all day?
Carroll
Cameron
Reply to @Archie Levesque:
I can only imagine that it would be rather nice. Just sitting there with my phone adding a few facts to the thread.
From myself to you, I would suggest that you stay off or get off, the Irving hate truck. It's dangerous. There's been one wreck after another since it hit the road this AM.
I can only imagine that it would be rather nice. Just sitting there with my phone adding a few facts to the thread.
From myself to you, I would suggest that you stay off or get off, the Irving hate truck. It's dangerous. There's been one wreck after another since it hit the road this AM.
David Amos
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Reply to @Carroll
Cameron: Methinks after all these years of dealing with corrupt Feds you
Irving dudes are gonna have a tough time trying to scare me N'esy Pas?
Denis Leblanc
This
is very alarming. The companies should not be allowed to spray
herbicides when there is a risk of the spray reaching people. If the
tourists could actually smell the spray they should have pulled the
spray companies licence. They know very well how far the spray can drift
in airial applications and it should not be allowed to drift on people,
rivers and streams. The ministry of energy and natural resources
development and the spray company like to brag there are no health
hazards with this product WHEN USED PROPERLY. When they are actually
spraying people? rivers? streams? wildlife? possibly rural communities
whether directly by drift or contamination of rivers and streams that
flow through those communities. If spraying glyphosate in NB is safe, it
is the first time a wide spread application of chemicals in NB is safe.
How quickly we have forgotten the DDT and fenitrothion snafus. Is it
possible that nobody ever learned any lessons from this practice?
Daniel Rawlins
Reply to @Denis LeBlanc:
DDT and fenitrothion are insecticides not herbicides it is important when sensationalizing or making comparisons to know what your talking about ... unless of course your related to Trump.....
DDT and fenitrothion are insecticides not herbicides it is important when sensationalizing or making comparisons to know what your talking about ... unless of course your related to Trump.....
David Amos
Reply to @Daniel Rawlins: Who is Trump to us that he is worth mentioning here?
Daniel Rawlins
Reply to @David Amos:
He is the current king of sensationalism and not knowing what he's talking about in the world and those who do what he does are also comparable to him.
He is the current king of sensationalism and not knowing what he's talking about in the world and those who do what he does are also comparable to him.
Alex Scott
NB is now nothing more than one giant tree farm. The "forestry deal" signed by the previous Conservative government will leave a black mark on this province for generations. We gave away our forests for basically nothing.
Carroll Cameron
Reply to @Alex Scott:
That agreement was signed because the first 25 yr agreement ended. The province didnt give away anything. Companies have to abide by the rules or face fines or in the most egregious cases, loss of their licence. So the 3 companies that hold Crown land licences and the contractors that have the right to cut wood on the Crown land licences, cannot go crazy cutting as much wood as the want as each Licence is limited to an annual allowable cut, on Crown land.
That agreement was signed because the first 25 yr agreement ended. The province didnt give away anything. Companies have to abide by the rules or face fines or in the most egregious cases, loss of their licence. So the 3 companies that hold Crown land licences and the contractors that have the right to cut wood on the Crown land licences, cannot go crazy cutting as much wood as the want as each Licence is limited to an annual allowable cut, on Crown land.
David Amos
Reply to @Carroll Cameron: Yea Right
Junkman George
Just *think* of the money that is being saved.
No longer do you have to travel to Haiti, or the Amazon, to see clear cuts and third world conditions, you can simply (and relatively inexpensively) come to NB.
David Amos
Reply to @Junkman George: Methinks you jest just enough N'esy Pas?
Junkman George
Reply to @David Amos:
Am I "jesting"? How about you try flying over NB just to take a LOOK, get back to me after, ok?
Am I "jesting"? How about you try flying over NB just to take a LOOK, get back to me after, ok?
David Amos
Reply to @Junkman George: Methinks you should review your own words and then my reply N'esy Pas?
Carroll Cameron
Reply to @Junkman George:
So what do you think you see? Forests 10, 40, 95% cut?
So what do you think you see? Forests 10, 40, 95% cut?
Junkman George
Reply to @Carroll Cameron:
Specifically:
0 (as in none) old growth.
Acres and acres of clear cut, as in take anything saleable and drop the rest anyway.
As to percentages: 100% of the "easy stuff" is gone (wood harvested on the flat and level), about 40% of the wood on the hillsides and in the hollows (the harder stuff).
Specifically:
0 (as in none) old growth.
Acres and acres of clear cut, as in take anything saleable and drop the rest anyway.
As to percentages: 100% of the "easy stuff" is gone (wood harvested on the flat and level), about 40% of the wood on the hillsides and in the hollows (the harder stuff).
Carroll Cameron
Reply to @Junkman George:
For now, anyway. Cuts always look bad at first. For some of those areas, it's probably the second time they were cut, IIRC, from my younger days. Depending where the cuts are in the province, some areas are slow to grow trees and other places grow them pretty fast, but, on average, it takes about 50 yrs for a cut to grow back to a merchanable product.
For now, anyway. Cuts always look bad at first. For some of those areas, it's probably the second time they were cut, IIRC, from my younger days. Depending where the cuts are in the province, some areas are slow to grow trees and other places grow them pretty fast, but, on average, it takes about 50 yrs for a cut to grow back to a merchanable product.
Shawn McShane
What tourists have to say about the 'embarrassing' road to Fundy National Park -CBC
The route is surrounded by sprawling clearcuts, some of which come to the road's edge. Some are thinly concealed by a line of trees left standing. Many only stop when they meet the park's borders.
David Amos
Reply to @Shawn McShane: Methinks folks should not be surprised to see my name on the ballot in Fundy Royal again N'esy Pas?
Carroll Cameron
Reply to @Shawn McShane:
That happens when you build a linear dump through land where forests have been cut 2 or 3 times over the past 150 yrs.
That happens when you build a linear dump through land where forests have been cut 2 or 3 times over the past 150 yrs.
Chantal LeBouthi
Welcome to tourists where in nb you will see the devastation and pesticides spraying
David Amos
Reply to @Chantal LeBouthi: Surely you jest
Carroll Cameron
Reply to @Chantal LeBouthi:
Or you could say Welcome Tourists. This is where the lumber to build your homes, your kitchen cupbords, etc., was harvested.
Or you could say Welcome Tourists. This is where the lumber to build your homes, your kitchen cupbords, etc., was harvested.
Chantal LeBouthi
David Alward is the one who responsible for destroying nb forests
David Amos
Reply to @Chantal
LeBouthi: Methinks it started long before Alward won a temporary mandate
but he certainly did make it worse N'esy Pas?
Archie Levesque
Reply to @Chantal LeBouthi: Started a long time before Alward. Think like Frankie Mckenna
Shawn McShane
"We're losing everything for the profit of one," said Arpin. "That's nonsense for New Brunswick."
Nailed it.
David Amos
Reply to @Shawn McShane: YUP
Peter Demerchant
McKenna and Alward should be held criminally responsible for this mess and every mla in the last 30 yrs should be ashamed in the policies they voted for. Love the quote from the dnr puppet saying there have been no complaints about forestry operations, complete bull. As for Mike Leger..... classic government funded propaganda. Thanks for covering the news cbc, we all know there is no one else that will.
David Amos
Reply to @Peter demerchant: I wholeheartedly agree Sir
Chantal LeBouthi
Conservatives love clear cuts and pesticides and herbicides destroying wildlife birdsongs and fish
Carroll Cameron
Reply to @Chantal LeBouthi:
Didn't we just come through a liberal government's 4 yrs? I dont remember them putting a "ban" on forestry operations. Could it be that they love them as well?
Didn't we just come through a liberal government's 4 yrs? I dont remember them putting a "ban" on forestry operations. Could it be that they love them as well?
Shawn McShane
Reply to @Chantal
LeBouthi: Who flies on Irving private jet? Liberal Fisheries Minister
close relationship with a member of the Irving family puts him in the
appearance of a conflict of interest...judicial appointments...has to
recuse himself...
Chantal LeBouthi
Reply to @Carroll Cameron:
Alward remember him
Alward remember him
Shawn McShane
Reply to @Chantal LeBouthi: Remember Gallant election promise to scrap the forest deal?
David Amos
Reply to @Chantal LeBouthi: So do liberals
Carroll Cameron
Reply to @Chantal LeBouthi:
Yes I remember him. Is that supposed to mean something?
Yes I remember him. Is that supposed to mean something?
Marguerite Deschamps
Reply to @Carroll Cameron: he signed away whatever was left of the forest.
Chantal LeBouthi
You can thanks the conservatives for killing NB forests and wildlife
Worst anti environment poeples in nb
Marguerite Deschamps
Reply to @Chantal LeBouthi: no truer words were ever spoken!
Carroll Cameron
Reply to @Chantal LeBouthi:
So the conser. did all this in the short time they've been in power? Give me a break.
You also conveniently forget the benefits, that, you and every NBer get from forestry. You use it and live in it every day of your life, and quite happily too. So spare us you biased condemnation of it.
So the conser. did all this in the short time they've been in power? Give me a break.
You also conveniently forget the benefits, that, you and every NBer get from forestry. You use it and live in it every day of your life, and quite happily too. So spare us you biased condemnation of it.
Shawn
McShane
Reply to @Carroll Cameron: New Brunswick flooding pinned on deforestation.
CBC New Brunswick takes a closer look at the role deforestation and clear-cutting may have had in the province's record-breaking flood. Some benefits.
CBC New Brunswick takes a closer look at the role deforestation and clear-cutting may have had in the province's record-breaking flood. Some benefits.
David Amos
Reply to @Marguerite
Deschamps: Methinks you wish to forget that it was your heroes Mckenna
and Graham who changed the primary source of wood from private woodlots
to Crown land and that when the clear cutting of our assets began in
earnest N'esy Pas?
Carroll Cameron
Reply to @Shawn
McShane: Do you enjoy you what you live in, the papers you use in your
life, besides the ones you use for your bodily functions? Do you enjoy
sitting down in a chair or the couch? How about kitchen and bathroom
cupboards or clothing? The poles along city streets and highways that
carry power to your home are very important at least to me anyway. Then
we come to the GDP and what the loss of the forestry sector would mean
for the province. There are many more benefits then the few I named
above.
With regard to the spring flooding, I'm sure you are aware of the increase in severity of storms. The earth can only absorb so much water, so more severe flooding happens. Frozen ground is another hindrance to earth absorbing water also.
With regard to the spring flooding, I'm sure you are aware of the increase in severity of storms. The earth can only absorb so much water, so more severe flooding happens. Frozen ground is another hindrance to earth absorbing water also.
Marguerite Deschamps
Looks to me like New Nouveau-Brunswick is the Little Brazil and Amazon of the northern hemisphere.
David Amos
Reply to @Marguerite Deschamps: Methinks you should thank Frank McKenna and Allan Graham for that N'esy Pas?
Marguerite Deschamps
The queen must not be amused! We were always told that the land belongs to her which is why we call it crown land. Time for her to put the baron of Bermuda in his place! Ifhe will not give an interview; will she?
Marguerite Deschamps
We need a Robin Hood in the Restigouche Forest.
David Amos
Reply to @Marguerite Deschamps: Methinks you watch too much TV and don't read enough legal arguments N'esy Pas?
Marguerite Deschamps
Reply to @David Amos:
what's the point? We will never get to be such imminent legal scholars
like you, Me Amos! When do you expect to get your Q.C?
Ben Haroldson
I'm surprised there isn't a group litigation against spraying in NB.
David Amos
Reply to @Ben Haroldson: Methinks if only one person needs to sue in order to have the same effect N'esy Pas?
Roger Richard
It is time for the people to take time from their busy schedule and pay more attention how our money is spend, how our environment is manage. Another good exemple of mismanagement is NB Power and Joy entertainment: https://ici.radio-canada.ca/nouvelle/1279834/joi-scientific-electricite-hydrogene-energie-nouveau-brunswick?cid=rg_il-reg_txt_inf_infolettre-matinale_acadie-2019-09-03_0
David Amos
Reply to @Roger Richard: Methinks you like to have fun with words as well N'esy Pas?
Marguerite Deschamps
Reply to @Roger Richard: ROGER THAT !!!
David Amos
Reply to @Roger Richard: Methinks Touché Turtle and Dum Dum have provided some joyous entertainment in the past N'esy Pas?
David Amos
My hat is still off to Mr Miller canceling Fiddles on the Tobique this year
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/tobique-fiddle-festival-cancelled-1.5202106
Junkman George
Reply to @David Amos:
So instead we get "Fiddles" in Fat Fred City.
So instead we get "Fiddles" in Fat Fred City.
David Amos
Reply to @Junkman George: YUP BTW I just got off the phone with Mr Miller and he thanked me for the comment
Marguerite
Deschamps
Reply to @David Amos: if he was in your riding, would he vote for you? You might reach 60 votes and close-in to James Risdon.
David Amos
Reply to @Marguerite
Deschamps: Methinks if Mr Miller decided to to run in his riding he
could win No liberal has thrown his hat into the ring since your buddy
TJ Harvey decided to quit N'esy Pas?
Marguerite
Deschamps
Reply to @David Amos: Methinks N'esy pas?
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