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Confusing COVID messages from province trouble members of all-party cabinet committee
One committee member says even he is left confused about COVID-19 restrictions after meetings
· CBC News · Posted: Nov 20, 2020 3:02 PM AT
Green Party Leader David Coon says communication about COVID-19 guidelines needs to improve. (Graham Thompson/CBC)
Two party leaders on New Brunswick's all-party cabinet committee on COVID-19 recovery say the clarity of government communication about what people are supposed to do is as poor as it's ever been.
Green Party Leader David Coon said Public Health guidelines are not being made clear to New Brunswickers.
"One of the things that has been plaguing us, in my opinion, is the weakness in our communication," Coon said Friday when all four leaders appeared on Information Morning.
"I think probably the majority of people in the province do not actually understand what the rules are."
Coon said he believes most New Brunswickers want to follow the province's rules, but finding clear explanations of them, in a "concise and compelling way," is not being made easy.
Jennifer Russell, the chief medical officer of health, frequently refers people to the government of New Brunswick website, but Coon said it's not an easy site to navigate.
A lot of the information that comes out of these meetings, with the Department of Health and the committee, is like the saying of drinking fire from a water hose- People's Alliance leader Kris Austin
"It's kind of a mishmash to understand what's what, and even what some of the language means," he said.
The communication problem is serious, Coon said, and needs fixing.
He called on the Blaine Higgs government to create a provincewide campaign of information that would reach people through radio and other platforms.
People's Alliance Leader Kris Austin agreed with Coon, saying even he has been left in the dark at times.
People's Alliance Leader Kris Austin says he has been left confused by COVID-19 guidlines. (CBC )
"A lot of the information that comes out of these meetings with the Department of Health and the committee is like the saying … 'drinking fire from a water hose,'" said Austin.
"The information changes a lot because it's a fluid situation and, because of that, people are confused. I mean I sit on the committee and, I'll be honest, I leave and have confusion about some of these rules."
Austin said communication directed by Public Health needs to be simplified and as consistent as possible.
More confusion? Higgs gives his take
Russell and the premier have recently delivered inconsistenct information about the Public Health guidelines, the committee members said, pointing to the guidelines for gatherings.
Russell has said New Brunswickers
need to find their "safe six," while Higgs appears to have said indoor
gatherings of 20 people or under are all right.
Premier Blaine Higgs (Government of New Brunswick)
CBC's Terry Seguin addressed the topic during the interview, asking Higgs what exactly the guideline is.
"It certainly is the limit that's put in a measure that is out there is 20," Higgs said. "I mean her personal recommendation is to keep it smaller than that, get it as small as you can.
"And I would suggest she's right, keep it as small as you can, but we haven't made that a rule, but we've made it a rule that you have to follow multiple bubbles."
"If Public Health wanted to put that in the final rule, we'll certainly look at doing that. That can be confusing, I understand."
Higgs said gatherings of 20 are allowed in zones
in the yellow phase, but the Moncton region's move back into orange
forces people to limit gatherings to family-only, with six being a
reasonable number.
Roger Melanson, Interim leader of the Official Opposition, says Orange Phase should be taken seriously. (Jacques Poitras/CBC)
Orange phase should be warning sign
Roger Melanson, the interim leader of the Official Opposition, urged New Brunswickers to see Moncton entering phase orange for the second time in a month as a wakeup call.
"The virus doesn't care who you are or where you live or what your actions are. It's here and anyone can get infected and certainly infect others."
He stressed the importance of following the one-bubble household rule in Moncton and staying at home if possible.
Dr. Jennifer Russell, the chief medical officer of health,
and Premier Blaine Higgs will hold a COVID-19 briefing Friday afternoon
at 3:30. (Government of New Brunswick file photo)
The committee has also been working on the issue of essential workers travelling in and out of the province who initially were not required to self-isolate for 14 days like other New Brunswick travellers.
Weeks ago, the province modified the quarantine required for people coming home after working elsewhere in Canada, telling them they could self-monitor for up to 14 days so long as they agreed to receive three COVID-19 tests in that period.
Higgs said his government was forced to tighten the rule again, however, because some workers weren't following the less-harsh guidelines.
He said certain workers made contact with 30 to 40 people after receiving one negative COVID-19 test in the early days of their return home, only to develop symptoms days later.
"We needed to tighten it down further, that became evident," said Higgs. "We've been trying to work with this and keep people moving as much as normal, but it wasn't working."
Higgs said he still expects to see some repercussions from people not following the less-harsh restrictions.
With files from Information Morning Fredericton
You are being more than generous, to me it appears to be a hybrid situation, a mating (or meeting) of Monty Python and the Gong show.
COVID-19 'superspreaders' contributed to Saint John outbreak, says medical officer
About 300 people self-isolating, 'many' of them health-care workers
· CBC News · Posted: Nov 20, 2020 7:48 PM AT
Dr. Jennifer Russell, chief medical officer of health for the province, said the Saint John region is seeing COVID-19 transmission in community settings, including recreational facilities, health-care and long-term care institutions. (CBC)
A COVID-19 "superspreader" event contributed to a doubling of confirmed cases in the Saint John health region within a day, says the province's chief medical officer of health.
And there are some "superspreaders" involved in some of the 14 cases now in the region, Zone 2, with the seven new cases announced on Friday, said Dr. Jennifer Russell.
Public Health and the federal Department of Health don't define superspreader, but it's "a person who transmits an infectious disease or agent to an unexpectedly or unusually large number of other people," according to the Oxford dictionary.
Being at the peak of infectiousness and performing an activity, such as talking, singing or breathing heavily from exercise in a poorly ventilated, crowded space for a prolonged period, can contribute to superspreader events, according to infectious disease specialists.
About 300 people in Saint John are self-isolating.
"Many" of them are health-care workers, although Russell said she couldn't say how many during a news conference in Fredericton, when she announced the region will be bumped back to the stricter orange phase of COVID-19 recovery, as of midnight.
She also didn't reveal where the health-care workers are employed, but an outbreak has been declared at Shannex Tucker Hall, a 90-bed nursing home in the city's north end, after a single case was confirmed on Thursday.
Shannex confirmed on its website that it is an employee who tested positive but did not say whether it is a health-care worker.
"We have no other active cases of COVID-19 at this time," the notice states.
More than 400 residents and staff from Tucker Hall and the other nearby Shannex facility, Parkland Saint John, were expected to be tested Friday and contact tracing is underway, Russell told reporters.
"We are expecting more cases to pop up," she said.
"With the contact tracing that we've done and the type of contacts that we have found and those people who are self-isolating as a result, we expect many of them to become positive."
Return to red level possible
Premier Blaine Higgs warned he may need to move the region to the most restrictive red level "if we can't get the numbers under control quickly."
The Moncton health region, Zone 1, had 24 confirmed cases when it was rolled back to the orange level on Thursday and 21 cases when it previously returned to orange in October.
Although Saint John's case count is lower, Russell said the same triggers have been met. Those include a doubling of cases within six days, a certain number of health-care workers being involved, and the fact that people have not been following public health protocols, such as wearing a mask, maintaining a physical distance of two metres and keeping their close contact numbers low.
The health system is at risk and keeping people safe is at risk and lives are at risk.
- Blaine Higgs, premier
"This is a virus that spreads exponentially if left unchecked," she said.
If the current 14 cases double each day, cases would hit nearly 500 in less than a week.
Of those, 20 per cent would be "very ill," 15 per cent would require hospitalization, five per cent would require intensive care, and "a certain percentage" of those will die, said Russell.
"So we know the math, we know the modelling, and we know how important it is that everybody do what they need to do immediately to get this under control so we can go back to the yellow phase as soon as possible," she said.
Higgs urged all New Brunswickers to take the situation seriously.
"We have seen areas where there have been fundraisers, social events, household and other gatherings with way too many people, no social distancing and no face masks," he said.
"Too often people are gathering with one group at one night and completely a different group another night. This has led to the situation we are currently in."
Enforcement will be stepped up in the Saint John and Moncton regions, Higgs said.
Police officers, peace officers with the Department of Justice and Public Safety, Public Health inspectors and WorkSafeNB inspectors are in both regions to make sure the rules are being followed. People who refuse to comply with provisions of the mandatory order will face penalties.
"We will never catch everyone, nor will we try," Higgs said. "But we really want people to pay attention and help us here because the health system is at risk and keeping people safe is at risk and lives are at risk."
Saint John EMO activated
The City of Saint John has activated its Emergency Management Organization. EMO continues to monitor the situation and follow the province's advice and recommendations, it said in a news release.
Mayor Don Darling said he has been pleased with the "immediate and proactive action" taken by the community over the past few days, and the "support and understanding from residents."
"Now is the time to show how resilient we are, and how we can work together in the best interest of our community," he said in a statement.
"We have seen other areas of our province successfully move in and back out of the orange phase and we know we can do the same."
Darling encouraged residents to protect their mental well-being as well as their physical well-being by getting fresh air and exercise whenever possible, maintaining virtual connections, and checking in on neighbours, family and friends.
More possible exposures
Public Health announced three additional potential public exposures in Saint John on Friday:
- At Rocky's Sports Bar, 7 Market Square, between 10:30 p.m. on Nov. 13 and 12:30 a.m. on Nov. 14 and between 10:30 p.m. on Nov. 14 and 1:30 a.m. on Nov.15. (The bar had posted its own advisory on social media on Thursday.)
- At Big Tide Brewing Company, 47 Princess St., on Nov. 16, between 12:30 p.m. and 2 p.m.
- At Java Moose, 84 Prince William St., on Nov. 16, between 2 p.m and 2:30 p.m.
People who visited these locations during these periods should self-monitor for symptoms for 14 days afterward, the estimated incubation period for the respiratory disease.
If symptoms develop, they should self-isolate and take a self-assessment test online or call Tele-Care 811 to get tested.
Water Street Dinner Theatre posted its own advisory on Facebook, saying it was advised Thursday afternoon that someone who attended the Nov. 13 production "recently" tested positive for COVID-19.
"As a precautionary measure we have discontinued operations for 14 days at the direction of the department of public health," and cancelled performances scheduled for Nov. 20, 21 and 27, with hopes of resuming operations on Nov. 28, it said.
"We are working closely with public health officials to ensure that all guests in attendance that evening are notified of the possible exposure."
On Thursday, Public Health advised anyone who visited the Five and Dime Bar, at 34 Grannan St., between 12:30 a.m. and 2:30 a.m. on Nov. 14, or Freddie's Pizza, at 27 Charlotte St., between 2:30 a.m. and 3 a.m., to self-monitor for symptoms for 14 days.
The Saint John Sea Dogs also announced a staff member tested positive, resulting in at least five hockey games being postponed.
The infected individual, who had not travelled outside the Atlantic bubble since before Aug. 30, is sick and in isolation, the organization said in a news release Friday.
No one else has tested positive, but testing is ongoing, the release said.
All players are in confinement as well as "the majority" of staff.
2 nursing homes close to visitors
Two Saint John nursing homes — Loch Lomond Villa and Rocmaura Nursing Home — announced Friday they have closed to visitors as a precaution until further notice.
In a Facebook post, Loch Lomond CEO Cindy Donovan cited concerns about the ongoing COVID-19 outbreak in the Moncton area and "a number of possible exposures" in the Saint John region.
"Please understand that this decision was not made lightly," she wrote. "We hope these restrictions will be short-lived, but due to the vulnerability of your loved ones, we must do everything we can to keep COVID-19 out of our home."
Virtual visits will still be possible via Zoom or FaceTime in the interim, she added.
Rocmaura's executive director Sheana Mohra cited "the evolving situation in our province and our region" for the decision and thanked everyone for their support.
New cases
The seven new cases in the Saint John region include:
- One person aged 20 to 29.
- Three people aged 40 to 49.
- One person aged 50 to 59.
- One person aged 60 to 69.
- One person 70 to 79.
Two new cases were also confirmed in Moncton Friday — one person under 19 and one person aged 20 to 29.
New Brunswick has a total of 51 active cases. One person is in hospital.
Symptoms to watch for
Public Health says symptoms shown by people with COVID-19 have included:
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A fever above 38 C.
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A new cough or worsening chronic cough.
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Sore throat.
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Runny nose.
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Headache.
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New onset of fatigue, muscle pain, diarrhea, loss of sense of taste or smell.
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Difficulty breathing.
In children, symptoms have also included purple markings on the fingers and toes.
Do you really *think* they will tell you, having to admit to one and all, that their measures are really ineffective and faulty?
PURE.
GENIUS.
Maybe, once he puts his mind to it, he will decide to do it, 6-10 weeks later.
The claim is 300+ off work (?), fresh air inspecting, are we expected to suck it up, or will there be a penalty imposed for these actions?
Otherwise there is very simply no point to the rest of us being careful.
No Buford T Justice, it seems that following the rules, like a good little dog, doing my best to play the game, while others don't , is becoming my penalty.
Each and every time I find myself wearing a mask, avoiding people I feel like talking to, and limiting my travel, I am starting to be getting annoyed, very annoyed. Very soon now that feeling of being annoyed will be replaced by anger. I do not *think* I am alone in this, and Buford, your hero Blame Higgs does not want an angry public, trust me.
New Brunswick reports 23 cases of COVID-19, new single-day record
Briefing follows 'superspreader' event in Saint John region
· CBC News · Posted: Nov 21, 2020 11:58 AM AT
New Brunswick officials provide update on COVID-19 after moving Moncton, Saint John regions back to orange phase. 0:00
New Brunswick officials announced 23 cases of COVID-19 in the province Saturday, setting a new single-day high since the start of the pandemic.
The new cases include 16 in the Saint John region (Zone 2), and six in the Moncton region (Zone 1) and one in the Fredericton region (Zone 3).
There are now 71 active cases in the province. One person is in the hospital related to the virus.
Dr. Jennifer Russell, the province's chief medical officer, said New Brunswickers are facing a situation which can quickly turn "serious" without immediate action.
"We need a renewed commitment to slow the spread of COVID-19, and we need it now," she said.
The uptick in new cases is the most since Oct. 20, when officials reported 20 new cases as the Campbellton region grappled with an outbreak.
Both the Moncton region (Zone 1) and the Saint John region (Zone 2) were rolled back to tighter restrictions under the orange recovery phase this week.
Entire province could go orange
Premier Blaine Higgs indicated the entire province could move to orange-level restrictions if the rise in cases continues.
He said the current increase is a "reality check" that the virus exists in the province.
"We are now in our own bubble in New Brunswick," he said. "And that bubble is about to burst."
Nine new cases were announced on Friday, including seven in the Saint John region.
Public Health also declared an outbreak at Shannex Tucker Hall, a nursing home in Saint John.
Higgs said he is saddened by the possibility of failing in efforts to contain the virus "at the last minute."
"The threat we have in front of us right now is the entire province could go to orange phase," he said.
Health Minister Dorothy Shepherd urged New Brunswickers to report COVID-19 rule-breakers through the province's tip line.
She said if efforts to contain the virus don't improve, regions could see tighter restrictions.
"If we don't change our behaviours and our actions today, as of this minute, that is where we are headed," Shepherd said.
Return to red level possible
Higgs warned Friday that if people don't reduce gatherings and follow Public Health rules, they could see further restrictions.
There are "at least" 600 people self-isolating in New Brunswick, including about 300 in the Saint John region, Russell said Friday.
She said a COVID-19 "superspreader" event contributed to doubling the number of confirmed cases in that region within a day.
Saint John, Moncton under tighter restrictions
New Brunswickers are advised to avoid all non-essential travel in and out of the orange zones.
Police officers, peace officers and Public Health inspectors will be in Zones 1 and 2 to monitor orange rules and issue fines as needed.
Residents of the Saint John and Moncton regions are now required to maintain single-household bubbles. This can be extended to caregivers or an immediate family member who lives alone and needs support.
Masks are also mandatory in all indoor and outdoor public places in the orange zones.
Close-contact personal services and entertainment venues can remain open under operational plans.
Potential public exposure has been announced at Saint John restaurants, bars, and a dinner theatre.
Vito's Restaurant announced on Facebook that an employee at its Rothesay Avenue location has tested positive for COVID-19.
The location is closed until further notice and is undergoing cleaning.
To all our valued customers and friends,
An employee at our Rothesay Avenue location has tested positive for Covid 19. This staff member worked Tuesday, Nov. 17th and Wednesday, Nov. 18th. We want to assure our customers that all staff have been following all guidelines set in our Operational Safe Work Plan.
We currently have not heard from Public Health, however we want to be proactive in notifying all of our customers. We will be implementing our stringent cleaning policies, however we will be closing the Rothesay Avenue location in East Saint John, effective immediately until further notice. Our Uptown and KV locations will remain open at this time.
The safety of our staff and customers is of the utmost importance. We have asked our staff to follow Public Health protocols and contact 8-1-1 for information. We will be in close contact with Public Health, and as we are provided more information, we will continue to share more updates.
We appreciate your patience and support during these challenging times.
Take care of yourselves and one another and if you have any symptoms please call 8-1-1.
Gatherings in orange phase
The province also rolled out new rules for gatherings:
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Residents must stay within a single-household bubble.
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No informal indoor gatherings beyond this single household bubble are permitted.
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Outdoor gatherings with physical distancing of 25 people or fewer are permitted.
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Formal gatherings of up to 25 people allowed for weddings, funerals and faith-based services.
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Faith venues may hold services with up to 50 people, but masks are mandatory.
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Restaurant dining rooms can remain open, but a single-household bubble must be maintained.
A full list of the rules under the orange phase is on the government's website.
Premier Blaine Higgs and Public Health announced on Friday that Saint John is returning to the orange phase of recovery. 3:45
What to do if you have a symptom
People concerned they might have COVID-19 symptoms can take a self-assessment test online.
Public Health says symptoms shown by people with COVID-19 have included:
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A fever above 38 C.
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A new cough or worsening chronic cough.
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Sore throat.
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Runny nose.
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Headache.
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New onset of fatigue, muscle pain, diarrhea, loss of sense of taste or smell.
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Difficulty breathing.
In children, symptoms have also included purple markings on the fingers and toes.
People with one of those symptoms should:
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Stay at home.
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Call Tele-Care 811 or their doctor.
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Describe symptoms and travel history.
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Follow instructions.
About the Author
Terry Tibbs
What's a voter to do? No matter who you pick the outcome is stupid.
If you printed up T shirts: "I voted for stupid" they would be universal.
People who value individual rights over the good of society causing all sorts of chaos and their refusal to go along with recommended actions driving numbers and death and prolonging restrictions
This is a health care crisis not the guise of one
The guise of one would be nice So many people would be alive who are not
Have you ever considered how much everyone who posts like you sounds the same and thus you might be in the ...
BC was once in that position but months of valuing the economy over stepping back when numbers were closer to these really was an error.
The Atlantic Bubble gets mentioned in international press so does that until late summer BC had an enviable track record and now look?
There's a reason our Premier wanted to secure his majority well before now sigh
Gotta love you COR party Proud Boys!
Here is a definition Davie 1 : I and the rest of a group that includes me that have to read your rantings.
I wanted an election and so did all the other New Brunswickers who rewarded Higgs with a majority government for the next 4 years.
Methinks everybody who enjoys the Chiac lingo knows that simple fact N'esy Pas?
They don't give them any bullets.
Defcon 1
For those of us who have no need of antivirus software (Linux), after supper we P on the wires a little bit to get an extra kb/sec, or two, keeps the covid at bay.
Anti-pandemic minimizers doesn't exactly have the same ring to it though
*Crickets*
Please find another hobby. Maybe you could pick up an extra part time job or something.
Plus govts already looking to save money are in some places looking to make the not enough to live on even worse
The cost of this pandemic is massive so the worst off will be those who cannot work as those on social assistance who can have options but govt prone to forget those on fixed incomes will just carry on with that as it's hard to get re-elected if you raise taxes.
Populations largely invisible to society at large are badly impacted .
I'd love to be able to work.
It has everything to do with Mr Higgs. He has been bumbling about for the past month, as cases have climbed outside of the province, yet no travel restrictions, and fully maintaining exceptions to isolation. Thank you Mr Higgs your planning and forethought are impeccable.
That's what free speech is for, and freedom. If you view something as a scourge you are not required to participate in it, but oppression is when YOUR view of something as a scourge removes MY freedom to choose.
Cool story bro.
Jarrod Yeo:
"As a partner between WorkSafeNB's communications department and its corporate services division, I am accountable for planning, directing and controlling the delivery of communication strategies that support business goals and initiatives. A trusted advisor to senior managers, I prepare communication plans and provide advice, consultation and direction on strategy."
You state facts that those in charge choose to ignore and now we get to pay.
Here are the potential COVID-19 exposure sites in New Brunswick
CBC News has compiled a list of active exposure notices in the province
CBC News · Posted: Nov 21, 2020 12:52 PM AT
New Brunswick Public Health has announced possible exposure to COVID-19 and facilities in Moncton and Saint John, including gyms, stores, bars, restaurants and on flights. (The Canadian Press/NIAID-RML via AP)
New Brunswick Public Health has announced possible exposure to COVID-19 at locations in Moncton and Saint John, including gyms, stores, bars, restaurants and on flights.
Anyone who visited the following businesses during the identified times should self-monitor for symptoms for 14 days.
Should any COVID-19 symptoms develop they are directed to self-isolate and take the self-assessment online to schedule a test.
Moncton
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Fit 4 Less at 165 Main St. on Nov. 6-12, at various times between 5 p.m. and midnight. See the full list on the Public Health website.
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GoodLife Fitness at Moncton Junction Village Gym on Nov. 6, between 8-9:30 a.m. and 7-8:30 p.m. Potential public exposure was also reported on Nov. 9, between 8:30-10 p.m.
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Aldo Shoes at Moncton Champlain Mall on Nov. 6-10 at various times between 9:30 a.m. and 7:30 p.m.
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CEPS Louis-J. Robichaud fitness room at 40 Antonine-Maillet Ave on Nov. 6, 9, 10 and 12 at various times in the evening from 5:15-7:30 p.m.
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Tandoori Zaika Cuisine and Bar at 196 Robinson St. on Nov. 8, between 1-2 a.m.
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Keg Steakhouse and Bar at 576 Main St. on Nov. 17, between 7:45-8:30 p.m.
Flights into Moncton:
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Air Canada Flight 8954 on Nov. 15 from Winnipeg to Toronto, arrived at 8:16 p.m.
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Air Canada Flight 8918 on Nov. 15 from Toronto to Moncton, arrived at 11:43 p.m.
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Air Canada Flight 0992 on Nov. 7 from Mexico City to Toronto, arrived at 7:20 p.m.
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Air Canada Flight 8918 on Nov. 7 from Toronto to Moncton, arrived at 11:43 p.m.
Saint John
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Five and Dime Bar at 34 Granna St. on Nov. 14, between 12:30 to 2:30 a.m
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Freddie's Pizza at 27 Charlotte St. on Nov. 14, between 2:30 to 3 a.m.
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Big Tide Brewing Company at 47 Princess St. on Nov. 16, between 12:30 to 2 p.m.
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Java Moose at 84 Prince William St. Nov. 16, between 2 to 2:30 p.m.
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Rocky's Sports Bar at 7 Market Square on Nov. 13, between 10:30 p.m. to 12:30 a.m. Potential public exposure was also reported on Nov. 14 between 10:30 p.m. and 1:30 a.m.
CBC's Journalistic Standards and Practices
Paranoia strikes deep
Into your life it will creep
It starts when you're always afraid
Methinks you must have been very busy baking many butter tarts for your buddy Cardy and the other clowns to consume as they watch this weekend's events put their ring master Higgy's fancy blue knickers in quite a knot N'esy Pas??
Al Clark
If you have some kind of problem that prevents you from acknowledging that which is objectively and irrefutably true then that is a you problem sir. You appear to have many problems, to be honest.
Thank you for supplementing my income though.
Hampton, Saint John schools confirm COVID-19 cases, exposure
1 case at Simonds High School, 1 case at Hampton Middle School, exposure at Harbourview High School
CBC News · Posted: Nov 21, 2020 7:36 PM AT
Simonds High School in Saint John has confirmed a case of COVID-19. (Google Maps)
New Brunswick's Department of Education says two more schools have confirmed cases of COVID-19.
One case is at Simonds High School in Saint John and the other at Hampton Middle School, a spokesperson said.
Harbour View High School in Saint John also confirmed a possible exposure to the illness.
Nine schools in the province now have confirmed cases of COVID-19, in addition to two universities.
Danielle Elliott, the department's communications director, said the school communities have been notified.
"School staff will contact affected families with more information should there be any impacts on learning," she said in an email.
Elliott said school staff will contact families with more information should there be any impacts on learning.
No student-to-student transmission has been determined in any of the three schools, according to Public Health.
All close contacts will be reached directly by officials.
The announcement follows a significant rise in the Saint John region, which is now under stricter, orange-level health rules. The area reported 16 new cases on Saturday, bringing it to 30 active cases.
Simonds High School has a student population of about 800 and 50 teaching staff, while Hampton Middle School has about 330 students, according to the district's website. Harbour View High School has about 900 students.
The most recent case in a school was reported on Oct. 31 at Townsview School in Woodstock.
Six schools in the Campbellton region (Zone 5) reported cases of COVID-19 during an outbreak in the area last month.
New Brunswick reports 6 new cases of COVID-19
5 in Saint John region, 1 in Fredericton region
New Brunswick officials announced six new cases of COVID-19 in the province Sunday.
The new cases bring the total of active infections in the province to 77. One person is in hospital related to the virus.
That announcement follows a significant rise in the Moncton and Saint John regions, including a single-day high for the province on Saturday when 23 cases were reported.
The Moncton and Saint John regions returned to tighter restrictions under the orange phase last week.
The new cases include five in the Saint John region (Zone 2), and one in the Fredericton region (Zone 3).
Dr. Jennifer Russell, the province's chief medical officer, urged New Brunswickers to commit to slowing the spread of COVID-19.
"We need everyone in all corners of the province to reduce their close contacts to the lowest number possible and to follow public health measures," she said in a statement.
The new cases in the Saint John region are three people 19 and under and two people 20-29. There are 32 active cases in the region.
In the Fredericton region, the new case is a person 30-39.
Premier Blaine Higgs warned on Saturday that the entire province could be rolled back to orange-level restrictions if the current rise in cases continues.
Two schools in the region have also confirmed cases, and one has identified exposure.
The University of New Brunswick's Saint John campus said members of its community may have been exposed to a confirmed case.
No new cases in Saint John nursing home
There are no new cases of COVID-19 at Shannex: Tucker Hall, a nursing home in Saint John.
Public Health declared an outbreak on Friday after an employee tested positive. The facility has four positive cases, including three residents.
Employees and residents were tested on Friday, but not all test results have been returned, according to a statement from Shannex.
The company said families of residents who tested positive have been contacted. It expects to receive updated test results on Sunday afternoon, and will provide a further update.
Potential public exposure
Many businesses in the Saint John region are reporting potential exposure and positive cases, including restaurants, bars, gyms and a dinner theatre.
Public Health only shares information when officials are not able to contact all people who may have been exposed.
Contact tracing identified four new locations with potential public exposure in the Saint John area, all on Nov. 14:
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Eighty-Three Bar Arcade, between midnight and 2 a.m. (43 Princess St., Saint John).
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O'Leary's Pub, between midnight and 2 a.m. (46 Princess St., Saint John).
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Callie's Pub, between midnight and 2 a.m. (2 Princess St., Saint John).
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Let's Hummus, between 2 a.m. and 3 a.m. (44 Water St., Saint John).
People at those locations during the listed times should self-monitor for 14 days. If symptoms develop, they should self-isolate and get tested for COVID-19.
Reduced hospital services
Hospitals and medical clinics in the orange zones rolled out visitor restrictions and some have reduced services.
Horizon Health Network said some services may be suspended at the Saint John Regional Hospital and St. Joseph's Hospital.
Visitor restrictions are in place at Saint John Regional, St. Joseph's, Sussex Health Centre, Charlotte County Hospital and Grand Manan Hospital.
Some exceptions are allowed for critical care, obstetrics, pediatrics, neonatal, palliative care, and the New Brunswick Heart Centre.
Vitalité Health Network also announced the suspension of all visits at orange zone hospitals, which include the Dr. Georges-L.-Dumont University Hospital Centre and Stella-Maris-de-Kent Hospital.
There are exceptions for patients in the obstetric, pediatric and intensive care units to allow one visitor per patient. Two visitors are permitted for palliative care patients.
Stricter enforcement in orange-level regions
New Brunswick residents are advised to avoid all non-essential travel in and out of the orange zones.
Peace officers, police and Public Health inspectors are in Zones 1 and 2 to monitor compliance with the stricter rules.
Residents of the Saint John and Moncton regions are now required to maintain single-household bubbles. This can be extended to caregivers or an immediate family member who lives alone and needs support.
There are also tighter limits on gatherings.
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Methinks Higgy's "Peace officers" are not making many friends this weekend N'esy Pas?
Surely you exaggerate? Mr Higgs is busy saving us to prosperity, these guys likely work Monday to Friday, 9-5, and aren't allowed overtime.
Just bumbling along..............
3 more New Brunswick schools confirm cases of COVID-19
Dominic Cardy says he's prepared to switch system to online learning at a moment's notice
Three more schools in New Brunswick have confirmed positive cases of COVID-19, bringing the total to five since last week, and 10 since the school year began.
Education Minister Dominic Cardy said administrators at Montgomery Street School in Fredericton and Centreville Community School, north of Hartland, issued notices to parents over the weekend.
The two schools are now working with New Brunswick Public Health to identify students and school personnel who might have been exposed to the virus.
On Monday, Anglophone School District South confirmed in an email to parents one positive COVID-19 case at Rothesay High School.
Over the weekend, one case of COVID-19 was confirmed at Simonds High School in Saint John and another at Hampton Middle School. Harbour View High School in Saint John confirmed a possible exposure to the illness.
Students in Grade 7 at Hampton Middle School will start virtual learning this week
But public schools won't close as they did this past spring, when COVID-19 first made an appearance in New Brunswick, Cardy told Information Morning Fredericton. Early in the pandemic, not as much was known about the coronavirus, but things are different now and such a broad shutdown of schools isn't considered necessary.
"The goal could never be to have everything completely shut down indefinitely," Cardy said.
"It was always to be as safe as possible and operating as close to normally as possible."
Cardy said there is a single COVID-19 contact at Montgomery Street School, and everyone in the school has been notified. Letters to parents have also been sent out.
"That person is being isolated. We don't believe there's a further risk at this time."
'Don't panic'
Cardy said he is trying to be as transparent as possible. And if parents haven't received any emails from their child's school or district, that's a good sign.
"When you hear from Public Health ... don't panic. Just listen to what they have to say. And follow the steps."
Cardy made it clear that schools will move to online learning right away if there are any risks to students or if the number of cases increases.
He said his department has been working in conjunction with Public Health, which is " constantly looking at the data" related to COVID-19.
"We'll be ready to move on a moment's notice if they give us the word that we have to make a shift."
In July, Cardy announced all high school students in New Brunswick would have to use their own electronic devices. A $7 million subsidy program to help low- and middle-income families buy computers was launched July 31.
But Cardy also said there could be challenges with the new online system.
"Anything brand new … I'm sure there will be issues with it."
COVID-19 in schools
Cardy said he will continue working with districts and the New Brunswick Teachers' Union and representatives of other workers in the school system.
"Making sure those communication lines are working as smoothly as possible," he said.
"You've got a lot of moving pieces here."
More cases of COVID-19
New Brunswick officials announced six new cases of COVID-19 in the province Sunday.
The new cases bring the total of active infections in the province to 77. One person is in hospital related to the virus.
That announcement follows a significant rise in the Moncton and Saint John regions, including a single-day high for the province on Saturday when 23 cases were reported.
The Moncton and Saint John regions returned to tighter restrictions under the orange phase last week.
"We are not through COVID yet," he said.
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N.B. COVID-19 roundup: Atlantic bubble bursts, 15 new cases and one death reported
Two provinces withdraw from bubble as cases rise in New Brunswick and Nova Scotia
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- 15 new cases, one new death
- Premier asked to clarify mask rules
- One business shut down, 30 tickets issued for non-compliance
- Bartenders, restaurant servers should be tested: Epidemiologist
- Employee tests positive at Stan Cassidy Centre
- Employee, 3 residents test positive for COVID-19 at Shannex
- New public exposure notices for Saint John region
- What to do if you have a symptom
The Atlantic bubble has come to an end for now.
Both Newfoundland and Labrador and P.E.I announced Monday that they were leaving the bubble for at least two weeks as COVID-19 cases rise in parts of the region.
New Brunswick isn't following suit, although Premier Blaine Higgs is asking people to be cautious about travel outside the province.
Monday's withdrawal from the Atlantic bubble comes as New Brunswick reported 15 new cases on Monday, and one death, which occurred in the Saint John region.
Eleven of the new cases are in the Saint John region (Zone 2), three are in the Moncton region (Zone 1) and one in the Fredericton region (Zone 3), Dr. Jennifer Russell, New Brunswick's chief medical officer of health, said at Monday's news conference.
All 15 of the new cases have been "identified and are isolating," Russell said.
Seven people in New Brunswick have died of the disease since the pandemic started. A news release from the province said the person who died on Sunday was in their 80s and had underlying complications.
Higgs said at the briefing that he spoke with the Nova Scotia, P.E.I. and Newfoundland and Labrador premiers Sunday night and that the decision to leave the bubble was a "shared decision."
"We understand the concerns with our current situation in New Brunswick and Nova Scotia," he said.
"We understand their rules around people coming and going … and they understand why we are trying to keep things moving within our province between Nova Scotia and P.E.I. but doing so only for essential services and telling people 'let's stay within our own province.' "
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Brunswick tightened restrictions in Moncton and Saint John last week as
cases rose, and the province reported its highest ever single-day case
count on Saturday with 23 new cases. As of Monday, the province had a
total of 89 active cases. On Sunday, 1,025 tests were done, for a total
of 117,272.
Premier asked to clarify 'confusing' mask rules
Premier Blaine Higgs was again asked on Monday to clarify the rules around when to wear a mask in the orange zone, amid some social media reports that people were being told to wear a mask when alone or on their own property.
Higgs acknowledged that there have been "some complaints" in this regard, and confusion about whether people should wear a mask when they are alone outdoors.
If a resident is outdoors or in a public space and faces "the possibility of running into someone and not being able to maintain physical distancing," they should wear a mask, he said.
'We're asking people to just follow some very simple rules in the orange zone," he said. "I understand there's some confusion when walking down the street, but when in doubt, put a mask on.
"Let's not find as many reasons as we can possibly find not to wear a mask, let's find reasons why we should wear a mask so we don't take a chance."
Epidemiologist recommends bartenders, servers get tested
An Ontario epidemiologist says New Brunswick should test bartenders and restaurant servers for COVID-19 because they're exposed to different people.
Then they spend time with other servers and bartenders and the virus continues to spread.
"That's how you're going to find cases," Colin Furness, who has been watching New Brunswick's pandemic experience, said Monday.
Dr. Jennifer Russell, New Brunswick's chief medical officer of health, said she's aware that Nova Scotia is testing bartenders and restaurant servers, and it's idea her department may look at.
In the past, she said, New Brunswick teachers and health-care workers who are asymptomatic have been allowed to get tested.
"We can take that back and look at that," she said Monday of extending this to bartenders and servers.
Furness said it appears New Brunswick is on the cusp of community transmission, which he said is concerning because it means it's difficult to link where the virus first started.
"Then you know you're sitting on top of undiscovered cases."
But looking at the big picture, Furness said New Brunswick is still doing well compared to the rest of Canada.
He encouraged people to be careful about interacting with people in their 20s. They may have COVID-19 but experience no symptoms.
"That's the group most likely to be infected and have no idea," he said.
Enforcement of rules, and frustration with non-compliance
Premier Blaine Higgs said Monday that police and peace offers were enforcing compliance with the single-household bubble, mask-wearing, physical distancing and other rules in the orange zones on the weekend.
Thirty tickets were issued, he said, and at least one business in southeastern New Brunswick has been shut down after not following guidelines "for some time."
Higgs also singled out for criticism those who are deliberately ignoring the rules.
"It is disappointing to hear that some people have not been giving their real names and contact information" when at businesses, he said.
"You're not 'beating the system,' " he later added. "You're jeopardizing the health and welfare of maybe your neighbour, maybe your grandparents, maybe your parents."
Employee tests positive at Stan Cassidy Centre
Horizon Health Network and New Brunswick Public Health are investigating a potential COVID-19 exposure at Horizon's Stan Cassidy Centre for Rehabilitation in Fredericton.
As this is a high-risk situation, Horizon is declaring an outbreak at the Centre.
As of Monday morning, Horizon is restricting all visitors at the Centre and cancelling scheduled appointments until further notice after an employee tested positive for COVID-19 on Saturday.
The employee is self-isolating, Horizon said in a statement.
Patients who were in contact with the employee when the employee may have been infectious had rapid testing for the respiratory virus Sunday.
Horizon said all affected patients have been isolated. And all staff who were in contact have had COVID-19 testing.
"As a precautionary measure, all other employees at the Centre will be tested for COVID-19."
Effective Monday morning, all staff and physicians at the Centre will participate in active screening for COVID-19 symptoms.
Horizon Health said affected patients and families have also been notified.
Employee, 3 residents test positive at Shannex
A Shannex official says the Parkland Saint John facility has activated its pandemic plan after one employee and three residents tested positive for COVID-19.
Clinical practice director and infection control specialist Lisa Snodgrass says all 371 residents and employees were tested.
And she's been told those four were the only positive cases.
"We're not sure how it got in," she said. "But we are sure of what we can do to help prevent the spread and that's what we're focusing on right now.
Public health says the outbreak is at Tucker Hall.
Snodgrass says that's a 90-bed licensed long-term care home on the Parkland Saint John campus.
Snodgrass said all residents are self-isolating as well as some employees - she declined to say how many.
Residents can normally move freely between the buildings, but under pandemic restrictions, she says most of the movement is limited to health care team members.
She says the investigation into cause of the outbreak is ongoing.
More potential public exposure warnings for Saint John
New Brunswick Public Health has released the following possible exposure to COVID-19 warnings for locations in Moncton and Saint John, including gyms, stores, bars, restaurants and on flights.
Anyone who visited the following businesses during the identified times should self-monitor for symptoms for 14 days.
Anyone who develops any COVID-19 symptoms should self-isolate and take the self-assessment online to schedule a test.
Saint John area
- Rothesay Route 1 Big Stop Restaurant on Nov. 14 between 12:45 p.m. and 2 p.m. (2870 Route 1, Rothesay).
- Pub Down Under on Nov. 14, between 8:30 p.m. and 9:30 p.m. (400 Main St., Saint John)
- Fish & Brew on Nov. 14 between 6:30 p.m. and 8:30 p.m. (800 Fairville Blvd., Saint John)
- Cora Breakfast and Lunch on Nov. 16 between 9 a.m. and 3 p.m. (39 King St., Saint John).
- Goodlife Fitness McAllister Place on Nov. 16 between noon and 1 p.m. and on Nov. 18 between 2:30 p.m. and 3:30 p.m. (519 Westmorland Rd., Saint John).
- NBCC Grandview campus on Nov. 16, 17, and 18 between 8:30 a.m. and 2:30 p.m. (950 Grandview Ave., Saint John).
- Merle Norman Cosmetic Studio on Nov. 19 between 12:30 p.m. and 3 p.m. (47 Clark Rd., Rothesay)
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Let's Hummus at 44 Water St. between 2 a.m. and 3 a.m.
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Eighty-Three Bar Arcade at 43 Princess St. on Nov. 14 between midnight and 2 a.m.
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Callie's Pub at 2 Princess St. on Nov. 14 between midnight and 2 a.m.
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O'Leary's Pub at 46 Princess St. on Nov. 14 between midnight and 2 a.m.
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Five and Dime Bar at 34 Grannan St. on Nov. 14, between 12:30 to 2:30 a.m
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Freddie's Pizza at 27 Charlotte St. on Nov. 14, between 2:30 to 3 a.m.
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Big Tide Brewing Company at 47 Princess St. on Nov. 16, between 12:30 to 2 p.m.
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Java Moose at 84 Prince William St. Nov. 16, between 2 to 2:30 p.m.
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Rocky's Sports Bar at 7 Market Square on Nov. 13, between 10:30 p.m. to 12:30 a.m. Potential public exposure was also reported on Nov. 14 between 10:30 p.m. and 1:30 a.m.
Moncton
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Fit 4 Less at 165 Main St. on Nov. 6-12, at various times between 5 p.m. and midnight. Full list on Public Health website.
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GoodLife Fitness at Moncton Junction Village Gym on Nov. 6, between 8 a.m. and 9:30 a.m. and 7 p.m. and 8:30 p.m. Potential public exposure was also reported on Nov. 9, between 8:30 p.m. and 10 p.m.
- Aldo Shoes at Moncton Champlain Mall on Nov. 6-10 at various times between 9:30 a.m. and 7:30 p.m.
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CEPS Louis-J. Robichaud fitness room at 40 Antonine-Maillet Ave. on Nov. 6, 9, 10 and 12 at various times in the evening from 5:15 p.m. to 7:30 p.m.
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Tandoori Zaika Cuisine and Bar at 196 Robinson St. on Nov. 8, between 1 a.m. and 2 a.m.
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Keg Steakhouse and Bar at 576 Main St. on Nov. 17, between 7:45 p.m. and 8:30 p.m.
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Flights into Moncton:
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Air Canada Flight 8954 on Nov. 15 from Winnipeg to Toronto, arrived at 8:16 p.m.
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Air Canada Flight 8918 on Nov. 15 from Toronto to Moncton, arrived at 11:43 p.m.
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Air Canada Flight 0992 on Nov. 7 from Mexico City to Toronto, arrived at 7:20 p.m.
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Air Canada Flight 8918 on Nov. 7 from Toronto to Moncton, arrived at 11:43 p.m.
What to do if you have a symptom
People concerned they might have COVID-19 symptoms can take a self-assessment test online.
Public Health says symptoms shown by people with COVID-19 have included:
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A fever above 38 C.
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A new cough or worsening chronic cough.
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Sore throat.
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Runny nose.
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Headache.
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New onset of fatigue, muscle pain, diarrhea, loss of sense of taste or smell.
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Difficulty breathing.
In children, symptoms have also included purple markings on the fingers and toes.
People with one of those symptoms should:
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Stay at home.
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Call Tele-Care 811 or their doctor.
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Describe symptoms and travel history.
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Follow instructions.
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With files from Marie Sutherland and Tori Weldon
Higgs acknowledged that there have been "some complaints" in this regard, and confusion about whether people should wear a mask when they are alone outdoors."
Methinks as Higgy's "Peace Officers" continue to harass and fine his "clients" the courts are gonna become very busy as some folks contest his self proclaimed right to make rules we must obey despite our constitutional rights N'esy Pas?
Province gave $720K to fired chief medical officer Eilish Cleary
Radio-Canada took Health Department to court after it refused to make severance information public
Gabrielle Fahmy · CBC News · Posted: Jul 10, 2017 7:00 AM AT
But you will focus on source in future right? Now it is just spread. :-)
I bet the former chief medical officer is happy that she got the boot and a golden handshake to boot then exited stage left before Higgy's circus unfolded its tent with her former underling as the star of the show N'esy Pas?
Province gave $720K to fired chief medical officer Eilish Cleary
Radio-Canada took Health Department to court after it refused to make severance information public
Really looking forward to your next scintillating words of wisdom!
As COVID-19 cases rise, N.L. and P.E.I. exit Atlantic bubble for at least 2 weeks
Bubble began on July 3 and ended Monday with the departure of Newfoundland and Labrador and P.E.I
The Atlantic bubble is no more.
Both Newfoundland and Labrador and P.E.I are exiting the Atlantic bubble for at least two weeks as COVID-19 cases rise in parts of the region.
Newfoundland Premier Andrew Furey said the province will continue to monitor the COVID-19 situation in the other Atlantic provinces to see if the two-week break needs to be extended. Travel to and from Newfoundland and Labrador will only be for essential reasons, he said.
"The Atlantic Bubble has been a source of pride ... but the situation has changed," Furey said at a news conference.
P.E.I. Premier Dennis King delivered a similar message during a nearly simultaneous news conference, saying his government would re-evaluate over the next two weeks.
King said the changing epidemiology in the region was concerning, "and it forces us to use what I believe are the tools in our limited toolbox to do everything we can to avoid an outbreak here in P.E.I."
He said that given the province's small size, it wouldn't take much for its health-care system to become overwhelmed.
Atlantic bubble established July 3
Newfoundland's heightened travel restrictions will come into effect on Wednesday, and P.E.I.'s come into effect Monday at midnight.
Since July 3, residents of Nova Scotia, New Brunswick, P.E.I and Newfoundland and Labrador were able to travel relatively freely across each other's borders without quarantining.
COVID-19 case numbers in all the Atlantic provinces were low throughout the summer and fall, but that began to change last week in parts of the region.
New Brunswick tightened restrictions in Moncton and Saint John last week as cases rose, and the province reported its highest ever single-day case count on Saturday with 23 new cases. As of Sunday, that province had a total of 77 active cases.
Nova Scotia also started recording a spike in cases last week and public health confirmed there is community spread, with most transmission happening in the Halifax area. As of Sunday's reporting, the province had a total of 44 known active cases.
Newfoundland and Labrador is currently reporting 23 active cases — including two new cases announced Monday — and P.E.I has two, with the latest one reported at Monday's news conference.
The office of Premier Stephen McNeil confirmed Monday that travellers from all other Atlantic provinces can still enter Nova Scotia without quarantining.
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Province gave $720K to fired chief medical officer Eilish Cleary
Radio-Canada took Health Department to court after it refused to make severance information public
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N.B. COVID-19 roundup: Elementary school in Quispamsis confirms first case
Education Minister Dominic Cardy and Dr. Jennifer Russell will speaking at news briefing at 2:30 p.m.
· CBC News · Posted: Nov 24, 2020 10:30 AM AT
Lakefield Elementary School in Quispamsis has confirmed its first case of COVID-19. (Candace Patterson)
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An elementary school in the Quispamsis area is the latest New Brunswick school to report a case of COVID-19.
An email was sent out to parents at Lakefield Elementary School on Monday.
This brings the total number of confirmed COVID-19 cases at New Brunswick schools to six since last week, and 11 since the school year began.
Education Minister Dominic Cardy and Dr. Jennifer Russell will be speaking at a news briefing in Fredericton at 2:30 p.m. Tuesday.
The email to Lakefield parents says the kindergarten to Grade 5 school is working with Public Health to identify students and school personnel who might have come into contact with the coronavirus.
"Public health officials will contact you if your child has been in close contact with the confirmed case and will tell you if your child needs to self-isolate," the email said.
"If you are not contacted by Public Health officials, your child can continue to attend school."
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Education Minister Dominic Cardy joined us to talk about going to school in the orange phase, and the COVID-19 cases and exposures in our schools. 14:42
The email went on to say that further details will not be released, in order to protect the confidentiality of students and employees.
Education Minister Dominic Cardy said Monday that schools will move to online learning right away if there are any risks to students or if the number of cases increases.
How much is too much information in a pandemic?
There's a fine balance between saying too much and not enough during a public health crisis, an associate professor of public policy at the University of British Columbia says.
"Feeling the information is consistent and trustworthy will really help with compliance, so it's completely crucial," said Heidi Tworek, who is also the co-author of Democratic Health Communications during COVID-19: A Rapid Response, which has been featured in the New York Times, Financial Times, CNN and elsewhere.
Tworek spoke to Information Morning Fredericton on Tuesday.
When a crisis emerges, she said people tend to have a lot of anxiety and want as much information as possible.
"At the same time, we have to recognize there is a limit to information authorities may be able reveal," she said.
New Brunswick Public Health has been cautious about how much information it makes available to the public, withholding all details except the health zones where cases have turned up, the ages of the people who tested positive, and whether their cases are travel-related or under investigation.
Although some of her counterparts have used data to show how the disease has spread through a particular area, Dr. Jennifer Russell, New Brunswick's chief medical officer of health, has said she will share only what she's decided the public needs to hear.
Heidi Tworek, an assistant professor in international history and public policy at University of British Columbia, says governments and public health agencies have to be more effective at communicating to the public because disinformation will spread faster than facts. (Glen Kugelstadt/CBC)
There are seven zones in New Brunswick.
However, Zone 3, the Fredericton and River Valley area and the largest zone in the province, contains more than 20 communities.
Tworek said that if New Brunswick Public Health got too specific about where cases are, people in other areas might let their guards down, causing the virus to spread.
"We need to figure out the balance how specific to get ... while at the same time trying not to reveal so much, for example, we're stigmatizing certain people," she said, citing what happened during the early years of AIDS and HIV which caused some stigmatization around gay people.
Russell has also avoided answering questions on other issues related to COVID-19 during the COVID news conferences that have happened on and off since the outbreak started in March.
But there isn't a magic formula, Tworek said.
She said countries around the world have taken different approaches to releasing public health information, partly because they have different laws about privacy, she said.
Some countries are also more transparent. When the respiratory virus first broke out, authorities in Taiwan made a point of being transparent with the public, telling the public it didn't have enough masks to go around and those that were available were needed for health-care workers.
Dr. Jennifer Russell, New Brunswick's chief medical officer of health, and Premier Blaine Higgs, have been holding news briefings on and off since COVID-19 made its debut in March. (CBC)
However, countries like Canada have different degrees of disclosure depending on where a person lives. And some members of the public might have more trust in public health authorities than others.
She said the most important objective is for public health officials to build trust with the people they're communicating with. And they can do this by explaining how and why they're making certain decisions.
"It's a very tricky balance."
Saint John mayor asks public to stay calm
Saint John Mayor Don Darling says he's never been happier to have the flu.
Darling received a negative COVID test result Monday. But it's been a roller-coaster experience.
"I am following the rules.," he told Information Morning Saint John on Tuesday. "I'm masked and I've never washed my hands more in my life.
Premier Blaine Higgs announced Monday that New Brunswick will not be making changes to the Atlantic bubble, despite Prince Edward Island and Newfoundland and Labrador temporarily pulling out. 1:45
"There's a fear, there's a shame. I didn't know if folks were going to show up with tiki torches outside my home."
He has been self-isolating since Friday after experiencing several COVID symptoms, including aches, trouble breathing, a cough and fever.
The Saint John region was recently sent back to the orange phase because of the recent spike in cases.
There are currently 43 active COVID cases in the Saint John region
Darling is reminding residents to stay patient and calm.
"We've seen it in our community, folks speculating and hunting down those that have COVID," he said. "Those that have COVID are human beings."
89 active cases of COVID-19
Both Newfoundland and Labrador and P.E.I. announced Monday that they were leaving the Atlantic bubble for at least two weeks as COVID-19 cases rise in parts of the region.
New Brunswick isn't following suit, although Premier Blaine Higgs is asking people to be cautious about travel outside the province.
New Brunswick Public Health reported 15 new cases on Monday, and one death, a person in their 80s in the Saint John region.
Dr. Jennifer Russell, New Brunswick’s chief medical officer of health, says there hasn’t been evidence of community spread in the province, but there are still 13 active COVID-19 cases under investigation. 1:22
Eleven of the new cases are in the Saint John region (Zone 2), three are in the Moncton region (Zone 1) and one in the Fredericton region (Zone 3), Dr. Jennifer Russell, New Brunswick's chief medical officer of health, said at Monday's news conference.
All 15 of the new cases have been "identified and are isolating," said Dr. Jennifer Russell, New Brunswick's chief medical officer of health at a news briefing Monday.
As of Monday, the province had a total of 89 active cases.
Seven people in New Brunswick have died of the disease since the pandemic started.
Moncton and Saint John have both been pushed back to the orange phase of recovery, while the rest of the province has stayed at the less restrictive yellow phase.
Potential public exposure warnings for Saint John, Moncton
New Brunswick Public Health has released the following possible exposure to COVID-19 warnings for locations in Moncton and Saint John, including gyms, stores, bars, restaurants and on flights.
Anyone who visited the following businesses during the identified times should self-monitor for symptoms for 14 days.
Anyone who develops any COVID-19 symptoms should self-isolate and take the self-assessment online to schedule a test.
Saint John area
- Rothesay Route 1 Big Stop Restaurant on Nov. 14 between 12:45 p.m. and 2 p.m. (2870 Route 1, Rothesay).
- Pub Down Under on Nov. 14, between 8:30 p.m. and 9:30 p.m. (400 Main St., Saint John)
- Fish & Brew on Nov. 14 between 6:30 p.m. and 8:30 p.m. (800 Fairville Blvd., Saint John)
- Cora Breakfast and Lunch on Nov. 16 between 9 a.m. and 3 p.m. (39 King St., Saint John).
- Goodlife Fitness McAllister Place on Nov. 16 between noon and 1 p.m. and on Nov. 18 between 2:30 p.m. and 3:30 p.m. (519 Westmorland Rd., Saint John).
- NBCC Grandview campus on Nov. 16, 17, and 18 between 8:30 a.m. and 2:30 p.m. (950 Grandview Ave., Saint John).
- Merle Norman Cosmetic Studio on Nov. 19 between 12:30 p.m. and 3 p.m. (47 Clark Rd., Rothesay)
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Let's Hummus at 44 Water St. between 2 a.m. and 3 a.m.
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Eighty-Three Bar Arcade at 43 Princess St. on Nov. 14 between midnight and 2 a.m.
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Callie's Pub at 2 Princess St. on Nov. 14 between midnight and 2 a.m.
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O'Leary's Pub at 46 Princess St. on Nov. 14 between midnight and 2 a.m.
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Five and Dime Bar at 34 Grannan St. on Nov. 14, between 12:30 to 2:30 a.m
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Freddie's Pizza at 27 Charlotte St. on Nov. 14, between 2:30 to 3 a.m.
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Big Tide Brewing Company at 47 Princess St. on Nov. 16, between 12:30 to 2 p.m.
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Java Moose at 84 Prince William St. Nov. 16, between 2 to 2:30 p.m.
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Rocky's Sports Bar at 7 Market Square on Nov. 13, between 10:30 p.m. to 12:30 a.m. Potential public exposure was also reported on Nov. 14 between 10:30 p.m. and 1:30 a.m.
Moncton
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Fit 4 Less at 165 Main St. on Nov. 6-12, at various times between 5 p.m. and midnight. Full list on Public Health website.
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GoodLife Fitness at Moncton Junction Village Gym on Nov. 6, between 8 a.m. and 9:30 a.m. and 7 p.m. and 8:30 p.m. Potential public exposure was also reported on Nov. 9, between 8:30 p.m. and 10 p.m.
- Aldo Shoes at Moncton Champlain Mall on Nov. 6-10 at various times between 9:30 a.m. and 7:30 p.m.
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CEPS Louis-J. Robichaud fitness room at 40 Antonine-Maillet Ave. on Nov. 6, 9, 10 and 12 at various times in the evening from 5:15 p.m. to 7:30 p.m.
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Tandoori Zaika Cuisine and Bar at 196 Robinson St. on Nov. 8, between 1 a.m. and 2 a.m.
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Keg Steakhouse and Bar at 576 Main St. on Nov. 17, between 7:45 p.m. and 8:30 p.m.
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Flights into Moncton:
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Air Canada Flight 8954 on Nov. 15 from Winnipeg to Toronto, arrived at 8:16 p.m.
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Air Canada Flight 8918 on Nov. 15 from Toronto to Moncton, arrived at 11:43 p.m.
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Air Canada Flight 0992 on Nov. 7 from Mexico City to Toronto, arrived at 7:20 p.m.
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Air Canada Flight 8918 on Nov. 7 from Toronto to Moncton, arrived at 11:43 p.m.
What to do if you have a symptom
People concerned they might have COVID-19 symptoms can take a self-assessment test online.
Public Health says symptoms shown by people with COVID-19 have included:
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A fever above 38 C.
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A new cough or worsening chronic cough.
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Sore throat.
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Runny nose.
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Headache.
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New onset of fatigue, muscle pain, diarrhea, loss of sense of taste or smell.
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Difficulty breathing.
In children, symptoms have also included purple markings on the fingers and toes.
People with one of those symptoms should:
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Stay at home.
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Call Tele-Care 811 or their doctor.
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Describe symptoms and travel history.
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Follow instructions.
About the Author
The wheels came off long ago.
Methinks the plot thickens bigtime as the pesky virus lands in Higgy's riding N'esy Pas?
My guess is you would be taken more seriously if you rid your posts of 'Methinks" and "N'esy Pas?"
Devils advocate is better done with a verbal scalpel rather than a splitting axe.
because you are sick like Methinks
I specifically was impressed by Mr Cardy. He refused to answer a question claiming to lack expertise ? Has anyone ever determined just what Mr Cardy's "expertise" is ? Well, ok, besides BS ? Mr Higgs decided to be absent, but one might *think* the reins were pulled pretty tight from afar, nobody was offering anything we haven't already been told. The signature bumbling was in evidence.
no I won't be missed at all, just my money
the onus is on the business always. They permitted infected people into their establishments and endangered the health and lives of their other customers
if they can not protect the health and life of their customers they do not deserve customers. Seems straightforward to me.
maybe people should get themselves tested before going out to infect others.
and maybe these establishments should have checked to see if their customers have been tested and are virus free if they want customers
you can always purchase your own tests privately. It is only responsible. I expect any business I provide money to respect me...always
you can close surely you should if you are not willing to protect your customer. Or you can test, test, test and test.
i'm not going to spend a dime ever again in any establishment which has proven itself not to respect my health and life. Yes
Too late for that now. They plastered the photo of the school and name all over the place. Its all over facebook.
well you should see all the speculation going on now Lou. Check out social media, the place is on fire. What kind of incompetent confused people would do that other than this good Doc and her puppy Higgs?
Higgs acknowledged that there have been "some complaints" in this regard, and confusion about whether people should wear a mask when they are alone outdoors."
Methinks as Higgy's "Peace Officers" continue to harass and fine his "clients" the courts are gonna become very busy as some folks contest his self proclaimed right to make rules we must obey despite our constitutional rights N'esy Pas?
Methinks anyone can Google my name and RCMP N'esy Pas?
If I knew where the the cases are, I would avoid those places, and thereby stop the virus from spreading. How about that.
“Here's another fine mess you've gotten me into.”
"I second that emotion"
I couldn't find the comment by Lou re the
U.K..... "entire U.K. having inferior teacher qualifications".
But I can comment on your response to it.
I have a granddaughter there.....the Education system
is one for us to envy !!!!
Finish your last sentence:
Periodic outbreaks are going to be a thing that happens for the next year or so as long as 14 day supervised isolation isn't happening.
I believe that some people may have had to leave their jobs to care for children in the last lockdown or might have to in the next one but I really don't believe the number was or would be high enough to make raise a red flag that people everyone will start quitting their jobs to care for their kids.
From: Blair <blair@jardineauctioneers.com>
Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2020 11:40:10 -0400
Subject: Re: RE The CBC and RCMP A Telephone Conversation re: 1965
Harley-Davidson Motorcycle and New VM (1) - 0:04 minutes from
5064544400
To: David Amos <david.raymond.amos333@gmail.
Thank you for forwarding the article. The person commenting that we
sold this bike is incorrect. We have never had a 1965 Harley Davidson
sold at or through one of our auctions.
If you wish to discuss further please call me at 5064544400
Sincerely Blair
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From: David Amos <david.raymond.amos333@gmail.
Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2020 01:44:45 -0400
Subject: Methinks the CBC, the RCMP and YOU should start lining up
lawyers EH Higgy???
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> ----- Forwarded Message -----
> From: magicJack <voicemail@magicjack.com>
> To: DAVID AMOS
> Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2020, 04:58:17 PM AST
> Subject: New VM (1) - 0:04 minutes in your magicJack mailbox from
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> Dear magicJack User:
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> You received a new 0:04 minutes voicemail message, on Tuesday,
> November 24, 2020 at 03:58:15 PM in mailbox 9028000369 from
> 5064544400.
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> https://www.cbc.ca/news/
>
>
> N.B. COVID-19 roundup: Some classes go online, testing sites boosted
> after 5 new cases
>
> Dr. Jennifer Russell announces new cases in Saint John and Moncton regions
> Marie Sutherland · CBC News · Posted: Nov 24, 2020 10:30 AM AT
>
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> 236 Comments
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> David Amos
> Content disabled
> Methinks Cardy knew the virus was in the Quispamsis school despite
> what he claimed to Seguin this morning Everybody knows what happening
> when the lips of a turncoat dude who consumes too many of little Lou's
> butter tarts are moving N'esy Pas?
>
> Lou Bell
> Content disabled
> Reply to @David Amos: What did he claim " this morning " ? What would
> you have preferred , he blab it for all the " conspiracy theorists "
> to spin ???
>
> Lou Bell
> Content disabled
> Reply to @David Amos: Did you ever get your tricycle back ?
>
> Lou Bell
> Reply to @Lou Bell: Spin , like Dave and the " Me Party " ??
>
> DeanRoger Ray
> Reply to @Lou Bell: It was auctioned off at least ten years ago (minus
> about a dozen Memorex cassettes...)
>
> David Amos
> Reply to @DeanRoger Ray: Pure D BS
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> DeanRoger Ray
> Reply to @David Amos: You wish
>
> Rob Sense
> Reply to @DeanRoger Ray:
> The wheels came off long ago.
>
> DeanRoger Ray
> Reply to @David Amos: In fact it was done through the Jardines.
>
> David Amos
> Reply to @DeanRoger Ray: I just called Jardines and they denied
> selling my Harley
>
> David Amos
> Reply to @DeanRoger Ray: trust that the RCMP are well aware that your
> buddies Bell and Cardy both live near Jardines and the crook who still
> has my bike
>
> Ray Oliver
> Reply to @David Amos: You didn't hear the laughter in the background?
>
> David Amos
> Reply to @Ray Oliver: I heard worse than mere laughter
>
> DeanRoger Ray
> Reply to @David Amos: “I’m David Raymond Amos and I have the world
> record for suing lawyers. Mehears you sold my Harley. True or False?”
>
> Ray Oliver
> Reply to @DeanRoger Ray: You forgot "the only time I've ever stood in
> a court of law was as Defendant never the Plaintiff".. but I do throw
> meritless lawsuits at educated lawyers that get laughed out of the
> room as often as possible"
>
>
>
> http://davidraymondamos3.
>
>
> Thursday, 22 June 2017
>
> For the Public Record when I heard and read the news about the RCMP
> today I felt compelled to rewrite a brief that I am ordered to file in
> the Federal Court of Appeal tomorrow
>
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?
>
> From: "MacKenzie, Lloyd (SNB)" lloyd.mackenzie@snb.ca
> Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 13:01:27 -0400
> Subject: Telephone Conversation re: 1965 Harley-Davidson Motorcycle
> To: david.raymond.amos@gmail.com
> Cc: "Bastarache, Donald J.(SNB)" Donald.Bastarache@snb.ca,
> "Morrison, Bill (SNB)" bill.morrison@snb.ca,
> "Levesque-Finn, Sylvie(SNB)" Sylvie.Levesque-Finn@snb.ca, "Pleadwell, Derek
> (SNB)" Derek.Pleadwell@snb.ca
>
> Mr. Amos:
> Upon your request I will inform Mr. Derek Pleadwell[(506)
> 444-2897], Chairperson SNB Board of Directors, of our extended
> conversation regarding the issues surrounding the 1965 Harley-Davidson
> motorcycle when he visits my office at approximately 3:30 P.M. today.
>
> Also, as requested, I've copied in Ms. Sylvie Levesque-Finn[ (506)
> 453-3879 ],SNB President.
>
> Lloyd D. MacKenzie, AACI, P. App, CAE
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N.B. COVID-19 roundup: Russell, Shephard address test backlogs as 3 new cases reported
'Everyone needs to have a self-isolation plan ready,' top doctor says at third briefing in three days
· CBC News · Posted: Nov 25, 2020 10:35 AM AT
Dr. Jennifer Russell urged all New Brunswickers to have a self-isolation plan ready, noting 1,000 in the province are currently self-isolating and likely 'did not expect' to be. (Submitted by the Government of New Brunswick)
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- 3 new cases reported Wednesday
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- New public exposure notices for Fredericton, Air Canada flights
- Public Health wants to be sole provider of exposure warnings
- Businesses don't know what the rules are
- Public Health expects surge in testing
- Hockey league postpones 7 games
- Potential public exposure warnings for Saint John, Moncton
- What to do if you have a symptom
Dr. Jennifer Russell, the province's chief medical officer of health, is urging New Brunswickers to "have a plan ready" for self-isolation.
More than 1,000 New Brunswickers are currently in self-isolation, Russell said at Wednesday's COVID-19 briefing, the third this week.
"I am sure that very few of these people expected that this would happen to them, and even fewer made a plan for this eventuality. But everyone needs to be ready," she said.
Russell advised residents in all zones to "make a plan today."
"Have a plan for self-isolation, how you'll arrange work, supports and other activities on short notice. Until a vaccine becomes available the risk of outbreaks will remain high."
Russell also announced three new cases on Wednesday.
These include two cases in the Saint John region (Zone 2): one person in their 50s and another person in their 70s.
Both are self-isolating and their cases are under investigation.
The third case is someone 30 to 39 in the Bathurst region (Zone 6). This case is travel-related and the individual is self-isolating.
There are 94 active cases in the province, and one person is in hospital.
As of Wednesday, 118,648 tests have been conducted, 1,060 since Tuesday at this time.
Health Minister Dorothy Shephard addressed concerns about testing delays and backlogs, and said a now-fixed technical glitch and a new testing centre on Rothesay Road will help ease the backlogs 'within the next day or so.' (Submitted by the Government of New Brunswick)
Health minister addresses testing delays, backlog
Health Minister Dorothy Shephard also spoke at Wednesday's briefing and opened by acknowledging "frustration" with testing access and an increase in requests for testing.
On Tuesday alone, Shephard said, 1,384 requests for a test were submitted online.
Of those, 503 came from the Saint John region and 333 from the Fredericton region.
Compounding this week's increase in demand was a "technical glitch" that was preventing test requests from getting through to schedulers, Shephard said.
The glitch has been fixed, and with the addition of a new testing centre at James the Less Church, located at 1760 Rothesay Rd. in Rothesay, the delays are expected to ease.
"As we go through the next day or two you're going to see that we will be able to clear those backlogs up," Shephard said.
Dr. Jennifer Russell had earlier noted that the backlog did not affect priority testing such as pre-operation testing or results for people who are self-isolating.
Shephard also urged New Brunswickers to take care of their mental health as they head into the holiday season, taking care to exercise regularly, avoid alcohol, get plenty of sleep, maintain a regular routine and take care of one another.
"COVID-19 fatigue is real. The longer this pandemic goes on the bigger the impact COVID-19 fatigue has on our mental health," she said. "We are all in this together. It is important to know you are not alone."
Dr. Jennifer Russell, the province's chief medical officer of health, has asked New Brunswickers to have a plan to isolate before they get sick with COVID-19. 2:49
Changes to single-household bubble rules
The province has adjusted its single-household rule for residents in orange or red zones.
The single-household bubble can now now be extended to include a caregiver or an immediate family member who needs mental, social and/or emotional support, the province said in a release Wednesday. The caregiver can be a close friend or neighbour.
Members of this extended bubble can go to restaurants and other venues, such as church, together.
Public Health wants to be sole provider of exposure warnings
When businesses and other organizations release their own statements about possible COVID-19- exposure, it can create confusion and anxiety with the public, says New Brunswick's chief medical officer of health.
"They feel like they're doing their due diligence and it's well-intentioned," said Dr. Jennifer Russell. "But it can be very confusing for the public."
Cases in New Brunswick as of Wednesday, Nov. 25. (CBC News)
Earlier this week, Public Health announced possible COVID-19 exposures at the Stan Cassidy Rehabilitation Centre and Montgomery Street School in Fredericton.
At the same time, the YMCA of Fredericton and GoodLife Fitness on Prospect Street in Fredericton released statements about possible COVID-19 exposures on their properties.
Russell said such announcements cause people to question why a business or organization is issuing an advisory and not Public Health.
"When Public Health is involved and Public Health has made the risk assessment, then you can feel confident the information shared is accurate," she said.
To minimize confusion, Russell said it would be better if businesses and organizations refrained from releasing their own statements.
WorkSafeNB CEO Doug Jones said businesses have had a hard time trying to decipher what the rules are as New Brunswick moves into its second wave of COVID-19. (Joe MacDonald/CBC)
CBC News spoke recently with a Fredericton business owner frustrated by the poor flow of information from Public Health about what he should do after a visitor to his store tested positive for COVID-19.
But Russell said Public Health follows a standard process to decide if the public is at risk and whether a notice of exposure is necessary.
The process includes a detailed questionnaire, and how the questions are answered determines the risk of COVID-19 exposure to the public.
When someone tests positive for COVID-19, Public Health will contact those who have been within two metres of that person for 15 minutes or longer — or have had brief exposures that were repetitive in a span of 24 hours that added up to 15 minutes or more.
Public Health also decides when that person was contagious and the contact tracing is based on that period of time.
Russell said there's no need to issue a public advisory if close contacts are notified and there's no risk of public exposure.
But if they can't track down or reach all the close contacts, that's when Public Health officials will notify citizens about potential exposure out of "an abundance of caution."
Dr. Jennifer Russell, New Brunswick's chief medical officer of health and Health Minister Dorothy Shephard, will be speaking at a news briefing in Fredericton at 2:30 p.m.
Businesses don't know what the rules are
The president and CEO of WorkSafeNB says the pandemic has been a difficult time for many New Brunswick businesses — especially when it comes to following the rules.
Doug Jones said the main concern he's hearing from business owners is they aren't sure what rules are.
He said WorkSafeNB spent time this week clarifying those guidelines.
Nova Scoti Premier Stephen McNeil says the 37 new cases announced Tuesday should be a 'wake-up call.' (Communications Nova Scotia)
"Essentially, we want people to wear a mask almost all the time, unless you're in your own cubicle or in your own office space, in in the work environment," he said.
"Just wear a mask all the time. That's the biggest message."
The biggest gap inspectors are also seeing is that many businesses don't have a written operational plan
He said businesses typically get a warning first. But if problems continue or pose a serious risk a business could be fined or shut down.
Public Health expects surge in testing
Dr. Jennifer Russell, New Brunswick's chief medical officer of health, said Public Health expects to see surges in COVID-19 testing when more outbreaks happen.
That's when Public Health will ramp up testing capacity. They do this by adding more hours and testing centres, which they've done in Saint John.
There's also a priority system in place to minimize risks of outbreaks, which includes first-responders and people living in long-term care facilities.
Dr. Jennifer Russell says it's people under 30 who are contracting and spreading COVID-19 in New Brunswick, but they can also help stem the spread by wearing masks in public and avoiding large gatherings. 1:15
Russell said testing typically takes between 24 and 72 hours. Meanwhile, contact tracing is between 24 and 48 hours.
But there can be delays
"It is unfortunate but we keep track of that," she said.
As of Tuesday, 117,588 tests have been conducted.
Hockey league postpones 7 games
The Quebec Major Junior Hockey League postponed seven games scheduled in the Maritimes Division this week. The games were scheduled in Charlottetown, Cape Breton, Moncton, Saint John and Bathurst.
According to its website, the decision was made after the announcement of new restrictions by Public Health officials in Prince Edward Island and Nova Scotia.
There were no new COVID-19 cases to announce on Prince Edward Island at the weekly briefing on Tuesday with Dr. Heather Morrison and chief of nursing Marion Dowling. (Ken Linton/CBC)
Last week, the Quebec Major Junior Hockey League has postponed at least five games involving the Saint John Sea Dogs and the Cape Breton Eagles after a positive COVID-19 test.
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The positive test was within the Saint John Sea Dogs organization.
All fitness and recreational facilities, libraries, museums and casinos in the region must close for the next two weeks, as well.
P.E.I. Chief Public Health Officer Dr. Heather Morrison is advising people to travel off the Island only for essential purposes.
Nova Scotia reported 37 new cases of COVID-19 on Tuesday — the fifth highest single-day increase in cases since the start of the pandemic.
As of 12:01 a.m. Thursday, all restaurants and bars in the Halifax region must close to in-person dining, except for takeout and delivery orders, for the next two weeks.
Dr. Jennifer Russell, New Brunswick's chief medical officer of health is advising residents to avoid non-essential travel to Halifax.
If New Brunswickers are travelling from there, they should behave as though they've just come from an orange zone.
She is advising people to avoid gatherings and vulnerable people. They should also wear a mask inside and out.
"This is a rapidly changing situation and we're assessing it every day," Russell said.
And if risks are getting too high, New Brunswick will be cut off from Nova Scotia.
Potential public exposure warnings for Fredericton, Saint John, Moncton
New Brunswick Public Health has warned of the following possible exposures to COVID-19 in Moncton and Saint John, including gyms, stores, bars, restaurants and on flights.
Anyone who visited these places during the identified times should self-monitor for symptoms for 14 days.
Anyone who develops any COVID-19 symptoms should self-isolate and take the self-assessment online to schedule a test.
Fredericton area
- The Snooty Fox on Nov. 18 and 19, 66 Regent St., between 8:30 p.m. and 12:30 a.m.
Public Health has identified a positive case in a traveller who may have been infectious on Nov. 19 while on these flights:
- Air Canada Flight 178 – from Edmonton to Toronto arrived at 5:58 a.m.
- Air Canada Flight 404– from Toronto to Montreal arrived at 10:16 a.m.
- Air Canada Flight 8902 – from Montreal to Moncton arrived at 4:17 p.m.
Saint John area
- Rothesay Route 1 Big Stop Restaurant on Nov. 14 between 12:45 p.m. and 2 p.m. (2870 Route 1, Rothesay).
- Pub Down Under on Nov. 14, between 8:30 p.m. and 9:30 p.m. (400 Main St., Saint John)
- Fish & Brew on Nov. 14 between 6:30 p.m. and 8:30 p.m. (800 Fairville Blvd., Saint John)
- Cora Breakfast and Lunch on Nov. 16 between 9 a.m. and 3 p.m. (39 King St., Saint John).
- Goodlife Fitness McAllister Place on Nov. 16 between noon and 1 p.m. and on Nov. 18 between 2:30 p.m. and 3:30 p.m. (519 Westmorland Rd., Saint John).
- NBCC Grandview campus on Nov. 16, 17, and 18 between 8:30 a.m. and 2:30 p.m. (950 Grandview Ave., Saint John).
- Merle Norman Cosmetic Studio on Nov. 19 between 12:30 p.m. and 3 p.m. (47 Clark Rd., Rothesay)
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Let's Hummus at 44 Water St. between 2 a.m. and 3 a.m.
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Eighty-Three Bar Arcade at 43 Princess St. on Nov. 14 between midnight and 2 a.m.
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Callie's Pub at 2 Princess St. on Nov. 14 between midnight and 2 a.m.
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O'Leary's Pub at 46 Princess St. on Nov. 14 between midnight and 2 a.m.
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Five and Dime Bar at 34 Grannan St. on Nov. 14, between 12:30 to 2:30 a.m
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Freddie's Pizza at 27 Charlotte St. on Nov. 14, between 2:30 to 3 a.m.
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Big Tide Brewing Company at 47 Princess St. on Nov. 16, between 12:30 to 2 p.m.
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Java Moose at 84 Prince William St. Nov. 16, between 2 to 2:30 p.m.
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Rocky's Sports Bar at 7 Market Square on Nov. 13, between 10:30 p.m. to 12:30 a.m. Potential public exposure was also reported on Nov. 14 between 10:30 p.m. and 1:30 a.m.
Moncton
- RD Maclean Co. Ltd. on Nov. 16, 17 and 18 at 200 St. George St., between 9 a.m. and 5 p.m.
- GoodLife Fitness on Nov. 21 at 555 Dieppe Blvd, Dieppe, between 1 p.m. and 2:30 p.m.
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Fit 4 Less at 165 Main St. on Nov. 6-12, at various times between 5 p.m. and midnight. Full list on Public Health website.
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GoodLife Fitness at Moncton Junction Village Gym on Nov. 6, between 8 a.m. and 9:30 a.m. and 7 p.m. and 8:30 p.m. Potential public exposure was also reported on Nov. 9, between 8:30 p.m. and 10 p.m.
- Aldo Shoes at Moncton Champlain Mall on Nov. 6-10 at various times between 9:30 a.m. and 7:30 p.m.
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CEPS Louis-J. Robichaud fitness room at 40 Antonine-Maillet Ave. on Nov. 6, 9, 10 and 12 at various times in the evening from 5:15 p.m. to 7:30 p.m.
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Tandoori Zaika Cuisine and Bar at 196 Robinson St. on Nov. 8, between 1 a.m. and 2 a.m.
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Keg Steakhouse and Bar at 576 Main St. on Nov. 17, between 7:45 p.m. and 8:30 p.m.
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Flights into Moncton:
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Air Canada Flight 8954 on Nov. 15 from Winnipeg to Toronto, arrived at 8:16 p.m.
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Air Canada Flight 8918 on Nov. 15 from Toronto to Moncton, arrived at 11:43 p.m.
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Air Canada Flight 0992 on Nov. 7 from Mexico City to Toronto, arrived at 7:20 p.m.
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Air Canada Flight 8918 on Nov. 7 from Toronto to Moncton, arrived at 11:43 p.m.
What to do if you have a symptom
People concerned they might have COVID-19 symptoms can take a self-assessment test online.
Public Health says symptoms shown by people with COVID-19 have included:
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A fever above 38 C.
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A new cough or worsening chronic cough.
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Sore throat.
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Runny nose.
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Headache.
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New onset of fatigue, muscle pain, diarrhea, loss of sense of taste or smell.
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Difficulty breathing.
In children, symptoms have also included purple markings on the fingers and toes.
People with one of those symptoms should:
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Stay at home.
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Call Tele-Care 811 or their doctor.
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Describe symptoms and travel history.
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Follow instructions.
About the Author
With files from Elizabeth Fraser and Hadeel Ibrahim
I heard a rumour that at the Tim Hortons in Bouctouche they had about 11 tickets
https://www2.gnb.ca/content/gnb/en/news/news_release.2020.11.0630.html
Identification required at seated venues
Restaurants and other seated venues will now ask patrons for identification as part of their record-keeping process. This will ensure that, in the Orange zones, those sitting together are keeping to their one-household bubble, and it will also ensure the accuracy of the names being given for contact tracing. Public Health has discovered during their contact tracing that some people have not been giving their real names and contact information when asked.
Recovered COVID-positive Saint John man responds to criticism
As an essential worker, Cortland Cronk wasn't required to isolate when he returned from Calgary in October
Vanessa Blanch · CBC News · Posted: Nov 25, 2020 6:00 AM AT
Surprise Surprise Surise
N.B. business owner alleges COVID-19 enforcement officer broke rules, acted intimidating
Peace officer removed mask in Campobello store during inspection, says Nicola Matheson
Bobbi-Jean MacKinnon · CBC News · Posted: Nov 25, 2020 9:55 PM AT
"But then the peace officer proceeded to tell her he had some "bad news."
"He said, 'Well, I gave out so many warnings in St. Stephen,' or wherever it was the day before, he had given out so many warnings that his boss had came down on him. So today, instead of a warning, I was getting a violation fine."
She was fined $291 for not having a hard copy of the store's COVID-19 operational plan to show the peace officer."
"Matheson included in her Facebook post some still images from the video, which appear to show the peace officer with his mask under his chin. The post has been shared nearly 700 times and garnered more than 400 comments, including offers by members of the community to help pay the fine.
Matheson isn't the only business owner speaking out about a negative experience with enforcement officers." :
"Matheson included in her Facebook post some still images from the video, which appear to show the peace officer with his mask under his chin. The post has been shared nearly 700 times and garnered more than 400 comments, including offers by members of the community to help pay the fine.
Matheson isn't the only business owner speaking out about a negative experience with enforcement officers."
The ever continuing gong show in NB.
Where is your boss, by the way, in hiding?
He suspended the legislature because he could no longer maintain a majority due to travel restrictions in the south of the province.
Have you eliminated isolation exemptions that have gotten us into this mess yet?
Please tell my why I should not be angry with you and your boss?
Make sure you send your kids school everyone, its safe there, we don't want to over react. Hypocrisy at in it's finest form from our leaders.
Methinks they are already well aware that I find you and your cohorts to be far worse than merely annoying N'esy Pas?
So says your buddy "Ray" so says the RCMP EH?
Maybe just in time for the government to re-open?
The rate things seem to be going if they don't close they are going to wish they closed.
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Hence Higgy's Police State does not have a mandate and the way things
are going they never will N'esy Pas?
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Confusing COVID messages from province trouble members of all-party
cabinet committee
https://www.cbc.ca/news/
N.B. COVID-19 roundup: Russell, Shephard address test backlogs as 3
new cases reported
'Everyone needs to have a self-isolation plan ready,' top doctor says
at third briefing in three days
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169 Comments
David Amos
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Methinks Higgy will soon order to his beloved sheople or aka "clients"
to wear blindfolds and ear plugs so they avoid all 3 evils within his
locked down Police State while he and Cardy consume copious amounts of
butter tarts while they hunker down waiting to cram needles into them
all ASAP then come up with a brand new plan when the lawsuits come
rolling in N'esy Pas?
DeanRoger Ray
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Reply to @David Amos: Yet none of these said lawsuits will be yours
HAHAHAHAHA!!
David Amos
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Reply to @DeanRoger Ray: Tell it to the RCMP
Baba Ganoush
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Reply to @David Amos: you feeling ok buddy?
DeanRoger Ray
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Reply to @David Amos: Canned reply variant #34. When was the last time
you had an original thought my friend?
David Amos
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Reply to @DeanRoger Ray: Methinks the your RCMP pals are well aware
that the last thing you and the new dude "Baba" could possibly be is a
friend or a buddy N'esy Pas?
David Amos
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Methinks folks fail to understand that there has yet to be a vote on
the Throne Speech hence Higgy's Police State does not have a mandate
yet and the way things are going they never have one N'esy Pas?
Ray Oliver
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Reply to @David Amos: when you gonna realize you're gonna die alone?
Ken Dwight
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Reply to @David Amos: "police state"? Methinks you wouldn't know a
police state if you tripped over it.
David Amos
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Reply to @Ken Dwight: Look around
David Amos
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Reply to @Ken Dwight: Go Figure
I heard a rumour that at the Tim Hortons in Bouctouche they had about 11 tickets
https://www2.gnb.ca/content/
Identification required at seated venues
Restaurants and other seated venues will now ask patrons for
identification as part of their record-keeping process. This will
ensure that, in the Orange zones, those sitting together are keeping
to their one-household bubble, and it will also ensure the accuracy of
the names being given for contact tracing. Public Health has
discovered during their contact tracing that some people have not been
giving their real names and contact information when asked.
David Amos
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Reply to @Ray Oliver: Is that a threat?
DeanRoger Ray
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Reply to @David Amos: Not at all. He’s just stating what is painfully
obvious to everyone else but you apparently...
Ray Oliver
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Reply to @DeanRoger Ray: even his own family is relishing the day they
can relax and end the embarrassment
Tom Simpson
End the farce. Stop testing and rotect LTC and the rest of us can get
on with life.
David Amos
Reply to @Tom Simpson: I concur
Joe Casey
Reply to @Tom Simpson: Amen! Past 5 years we had the flu season and no
restriction then. All cause mortality data will show this now is no
worse than any other year on average. Spring was another thing but now
we all should move on and stop with the masking especially kids.
Medical advisers and political leaders should all be ashamed to force
that on them.
Buddy Best
Reply to @Joe Casey: Cut the BS this is not a seasonal Flu out break.
It impacts those who already have health issue most. Seniors in
particular. It is a slight inconvenience to protect others if you have
no concerns for your own health. Time to shut er down for 3 weeks
before Christmas.
David White
Reply to @Buddy Best: Some people like to share their self proclaimed
bravado as a way to deal with things and also down play the situation.
Makes them feel in control.
David Amos
Reply to @David White: Methinks you should after all you are one of
such sheople supporting Higgy et all who like to call themselves "WE"
N'esy Pas?
David White
Reply to @David Amos: Wethinks you are making things up in your head N'esy Pas?
David Amos
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Reply to @David White: Methinks many folks will verify that the
arguments with the Crown beginning Federal Court File o T-1557-15 in
Fat Fred City is no illusion no matter what you may wish to falsely
claim about me N'esy Pas?
David White
Reply to @David Amos: Wethinks no matter how much you ramble we still
won't sanctify your agenda N'esy Pas?
David White
Reply to @David Amos: ... also who here cares? N'esy pas?
David Amos
Reply to @David White: Methinks that was a couple Interesting
fainthearted replies after my irrefutable response to you went "Poof"
N'esy Pas?
David White
Reply to @David Amos: Wethinks you think you matter.... you are just
boring N'esy pas?Just now
Ray Oliver
Reply to @David Amos: When you gonna go "poof"? Please Santa I've been
a good boy!!
David White
Reply to @Ray Oliver: Davey thinks if he writes something... it's
true, and using words like 'irrefutable' makes it so.
David Amos
Reply to @Ray Oliver: Is that another of your many threats?
David White
Reply to @David Amos: Many threats? whats the colour of the sky in
your world Davey? Orange ripple with neon green nightmare?
David White
Reply to @David White: Wethinks Davey is trying to fabricate another
made up legal slight against him, N'esy Pas?
Ray Oliver
Reply to @David Amos: The boy who cried wolf. Call it what you want
its like a fart in the wind big fella
Ray Oliver
Reply to @David Amos: I see how you think saving all these on your
blog is a stance for a lawsuit. I wish you luck my simple friend. Keep
licking windows I still think you're special!!
Ray Oliver
Reply to @David Amos: do you realize even if it was a threat it falls
on deaf ears as no one cares what happens to you?
David Amos
Reply to @David White: Methinks although you enjoy making fun of it at
least my blog easily proves that Higgy and many lawyers and cops etc
do not enjoy my lawsuits as much as you and your fellow no/real/name
buddies do N'esy Pas?
Kate LeBlanc
9 incoming flights to both Moncton and Fredericton all with Covid
+exposures, all from high case areas. Why are we still allowing this
travel when travel by car is restricted? I think this governments
definition of "essential" travel needs a serious revamp.
SarahRose Werner
Reply to @Kate LeBlanc: People entering NB by air are subject to the
same restrictions as people entering by land.
David Amos
Reply to @Kate LeBlanc: Methinks many would agree that Higgy's Police
State needs a serious rewamp ASAP N'esy Pas?
David White
Reply to @David Amos: Wethinks you have it hard for Higgy and want to
bring him up on every post like you actually think it matters N'esy
Pas?
David Amos
Reply to @David White: BINGO
Ray Oliver
Reply to @David White: he thinks "higgy" knows who he is. It's sad
David Amos
Reply to @Ray Oliver: Methinks you should ask your hero Higgy or lots
of other folks about our very public spit and chew about pensions in
the Hampton High School after I debated his lawyer buddy Rob Moore on
the evening Trudeau the Younger came to Fundy Royal in October of 2015
N'esy Pas?
Stephan Sommers
Sounds like Zone one will be back to yellow soon. That’s great for them.
David Amos
Reply to @Stephan Sommers: True
James Edward
if they close these bars and restaurants again...you'll lose some for good.
Fred Brewer
Reply to @James Edward: Maybe, maybe not. Rent relief of 90% is
arriving from Ottawa. If a business cannot survive for 2-4 weeks with
that kind of assistance, I would suggest it was doomed to failure
anyway.
Terry Tibbs
Reply to @James Edward:
The rate things seem to be going if they don't close they are going to
wish they closed.
Ron Jones
Reply to @James Edward: If people follow the rules and stay in their
bubble it won't make any difference there won't be anyone going to the
bars anyway or very few.
David Amos
Reply to @Terry Tibbs: Oh So True
Buddy Best
Reply to @James Edward: Most bars only survive on the revenue of VLTs.
We could do without both.
David Amos
Reply to @Buddy Best: Also Very True
Buddy Best
Reply to @David Amos: I actually long for the good old days when you
could meet friends at a bar with live entertainment and a decent meal
on the cheap. Now it is that other addiction the governments are so
fond of for revenue.
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