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Canadian energy, health, manufacturing sectors were major targets of ransomware attacks: cyber spy agency

2021 ransomware trend report released by Communications Security Establishment, a cyber intelligence agency

As part of a new awareness campaign, the Communications Security Establishment (CSE), Canada's foreign signals intelligence agency, released a ransomware bulletin Monday looking at the key trends of ransomware in 2021.

In its report, CSE's Cyber Centre said ransomware attacks are "brazen, sophisticated, increasing in frequency, and, for the cybercriminals, very profitable.

"The impact of ransomware can be devastating, and the severity of the financial consequences related to a ransomware attack can be profound."

For the first time, the agency also confirmed publicly Monday that it has used its new cyber attack powers, granted to it through legislation back in 2019.

"The Communications Security Establishment Act gives CSE the legal authority to conduct cyber operations to disrupt foreign-based threats to Canada, including cybercriminals," said CSE spokesperson Evan Koronewski.

"Although we cannot comment on our use of foreign cyber operations (active and defensive cyber operations) or provide operational statistics, we can confirm we have the tools we need to impose a cost on the people behind these kinds of incidents.

"We can also confirm we are using these tools for such purposes, and working together with Canadian law enforcement where appropriate against cybercrime."

Ransomware is a form of malware used by threat actors and criminals who encrypt files on a device then demand a ransom in exchange for decryption. Once successfully hacked, ransomware victims are often attacked multiple times.

CSE said it's aware of 235 ransomware incidents against Canadian victims from Jan. 1 to Nov. 16 of this year and more than half of those targets were critical infrastructure providers, including those in the energy, health and manufacturing sectors.

The number is likely higher, as the agency said most ransomware events go unreported. 

"The COVID-19 pandemic has made organizations like hospitals, governments and universities more mindful of the risks tied to losing access to their networks and often feeling resigned to pay ransoms," notes the report.

"Cybercriminals have taken advantage of this situation by significantly increasing the value of their ransom demands."

Canadian hospitals hit

Newfoundland and Labrador is still reeling after a cyber attack hit its health-care system, cancelling thousands of medical procedures ranging from chemotherapy to X-rays.

Sources have told CBC the security breach is a ransomware attack, but so far government officials have not confirmed the nature of the cyberattack and will not say if they have received a ransom demand.

This summer Humber River Hospital in the Toronto area was forced to shut down its IT systems in order to prevent a ransomware attack. 

     A customer pumps gas at Costco as others wait in line on May 11, 2021, in Charlotte, N.C. Earlier this year the Colonial Pipeline, the largest fuel pipeline in the U.S., was hit by a cyber attack attributed to the Russia-based DarkSide RaaS cybercriminal group. (Chris Carlson/The Associated Press)

Staff were unable to access electronic patient records and diagnostic test results leading to long waits in the emergency department and prompting the hospital to cancel clinics and redirect some ambulances to other hospitals.

CSE said it expects high-impact targeting to continue. 

"We assess that ransomware operators will almost certainly continue to target large organizations with operational technology (OT) assets, including organizations in Canada, to try to extract ransom, steal intellectual property and proprietary business information, and obtain personal data about customers," it warned. 

Canada is far from alone. This year has been marred by the highest ransoms and the biggest payouts around the world.

Earlier this year the Colonial Pipeline, the largest fuel pipeline in the U.S., was hit by an attack attributed to the Russia-based DarkSide RaaS cybercriminal group.

As a result, the company's operations were affected, resulting in record price increases, panic-buying, and gasoline shortages

Ransomware operators will likely become increasingly aggressive: CSE

In Canada, CSE said the estimated average cost of a data breach, which includes but is not limited to ransomware, is more than $6 million. The average price has stabilized over the past years, a trend CSE attributes to cybercriminals becoming better at tailoring their demands to what their victims are most likely to pay. 

Ransomware operators will likely become increasingly aggressive in their targeting in 2022, including against critical infrastructure, warned the agency. 

Part of the problem fighting ransomware is that many operators and their affiliates are based in countries with lax or non-existent laws against cybercrime, said CSE.

Ransomware operators will likely become increasingly aggressive in their targeting in 2022, including against critical infrastructure, warns CSE.  (PabloLagarto/Shutterstock)

"Mitigating the increasing risks will require concerted national efforts to improve cyber security and adopt best practices to harden critical systems, as well as co-ordinated international actions to undermine criminal infrastructure and tactics," said the report.

As part of that effort, CSE, working with the RCMP, has published what they call a "playbook" that outlines steps organizations and businesses can take to protect against ransomware, and what to do if attacked.

Organizations urged to implement cyber safety measures

A handful of cabinet ministers have signed an open letter to Canadian organizations urging them to implement basic cyber security measures.

The letter, co-signed by Defence Minister Anita Anand, Emergency Preparedness Minister Bill Blair, Public Safety Minister Marco Mendicino and International Trade Minister Mary Ng, said the federal government is working with its allies to pursue cyber threat actors and disrupt their capabilities. 

"We are also assisting in the recovery of organizations compromised by ransomware and helping them to be more resilient going forward," they wrote.

"Our message is clear: taking basic steps to ensure your organization's cyber security will pay swift dividends." 

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David Amos  
Methnks the CSE must remember me N'esy Pas?
 
 
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Inside Saint John's response to a 'devastating' cyberattack

Records show how the city dealt with 2020 attack that cut off its network from the outside world 

It was the work of cybercriminals who unleashed a ransomware attack that forced the city to disconnect itself from the rest of the online world. Saint John hired a Toronto-based company to navigate negotiations with them.

But the criminals weren't very communicative.

"Wanted to update you to let you know that the Ryuk Threat Actors have not reached out since they decrypted the sample files, on November 20th," Jason Kotler, president and CEO of a company called CYPFER (Cyber Security, Payment Facilitators, Emergency Response), wrote in an email to city lawyers and outside counsel on Nov. 26.

"Ryuk is patient and will likely not respond until we reach out again. We might hear from them within the week. Nonetheless, we will continue to monitor."

The city hasn't said much publicly about its response to the cyberattack, the after-effects of which are still affecting some of its operations a year later. More than 160 pages of records that offer a peek inside the chaos that ensued after the attack, but the documents were only turned over after CBC News filed an access-to-information complaint.

The city ultimately decided not to pay a ransom, estimated by one councillor at between $17 million and $20 million worth of Bitcoin, and instead opted to rebuild its network from scratch.

It was a decision that would have serious consequences for the citizens of the foggy Atlantic port city. 

Saint John's experience may offer lessons for Newfoundland and Labrador, which has been hit with a cyberattack that has wreaked havoc, cancelling medical procedures and cancer treatments. 

While officials in that province have released few details about how its attack happened, last week it confirmed both employee and patient data was stolen.

Cyberattacks can take 'many years' to recover from

More than a year has passed, but the city still hasn't fully recovered from what Saint John Mayor Donna Reardon described as "a devastating attack."

As of this summer, employees in city offices still couldn't print, Reardon said, though that functionality has now returned.

That was perhaps a more benign issue compared to the city police force's struggle: it couldn't generate statistics on crime occurrences, such as the number of mental health crisis calls, nor access some police reports.

Saint John Mayor Donna Reardon says the November 2020 cyberattack was 'devastating' for the city. Council ultimately decided not to pay a ransom and rebuilt its network from scratch. (Robert Jones/CBC)

"It's taken a long time to get things back up and running, to unlock all of their tools," Reardon said.

When asked when the city is expected to be fully recovered from the attack, a city spokesperson didn't provide an exact timeframe, saying recovey from cyberattacks can take "many years."

"Many systems that were in place prior to the attack are operational," city spokesperson Lisa Caissie wrote in an emailed statement. 

"The city continues to collaborate with all service areas, including the Saint John Police Force, on priorities for restoration. Remaining work relates mostly to automation for efficiency."

The city has spent nearly $3 million recovering from the attack, though that number may increase since the process isn't complete. All but $400,000 spent so far is estimated to be recovered through insurance.

Network breached two weeks before ransomware attack

The problems began on Oct. 28, 2020, when the city's network was breached through a phishing email, councillors learned at a briefing on Nov. 16, 2020. A virus attack hit the city's systems a few days later, on Nov. 3 and 4.

On Nov. 13, 2020, around 9 p.m., the city discovered a ransomware attack was underway. One record describes the attack as being triggered through an Excel file. The federal goverment's Canadian Centre for Cyber Security (CCCS) describes ransomware as "a type of malware that ultimately denies a user's access to files or systems until a sum of money is paid." 

In the early hours after the attack was discovered, records show the city disconnected "all information technology infrastructure and devices" to try and contain it.

"The end result of this action was all network services across the municipality are currently shut down, including email and computer aided dispatch to name only two," according to a security event report issued by New Brunswick's Office of the Provincial Security Advisor early on.

An hour after the attack was discovered, the city's Public Safety Answering Point, its emergency call centre, lost connectivity, including access to "their computer aided emergency services dispatch system and mapping tools." A contingency plan saw 911 calls rerouted through Fredericton.

"The City of Saint John does not yet know how bad the damage is, that work continues," a security event report says.

Records from the City of Saint John detail how the city responded to a cyberattack and how they strategized around ransom. (Kacper Pempel/Reuters)

The records don't indicate when the city became aware of the ransom request or realized it was a Ryuk attack.

The CCCS says Ryuk is "a ransomware variant known to target large enterprises, hospitals and critical infrastructure and demand extremely large ransoms."

Active since August 2018, the report says Ryuk "is affiliated with multiple Russian-speaking cybercriminals."

Attack group not interested in selling info on dark web, briefing said

According to minutes from a briefing councillors received from Saint John city manager John Collin on Nov. 16, 2020, Ryuk was described as "a Russian Mafia group that are ransom oriented and will provide de-encryption codes if paid."

But they are not interested in "personally identifiable information" to sell on the dark web, the minutes say.

"Most finance files are not touched. The city is safe, 911 calls are re-routed through Fredericton. The restoration plans are underway to re-establish the network."

The update says councillors were told not to discuss the attack, and to refer requests to the city's communications director.

It also says money would be available "at the federal and provincial level to rebuild rather than pay ransom," though the city has not received any funding from the provincial or federal governments to date.

Thousands of hours of work lost

By Nov. 20, 2020 CYPFER had created a negotiation strategic plan that spelled out how Saint John would negotiate with the cybercriminals who were looking for payment. The details of that strategy are redacted in the copy provided to CBC News.

More than a week after the attack began, the records suggest the city still wasn't entirely sure what information could be at risk.

"I would suggest that they haven't shown us anything that speaks to the sensitivity of the data they may have," Stephanie Rackley-Roach, the city's chief information officer, wrote in an email on Nov. 22, 2020, parts of which were redacted.

The attack also affected the provincial court system, though exactly how is unclear. (Steve P. Mackin)

In an update to council the next day, the city manager described how the city was slowly rebuilding from scratch, saying "progress restoring the network destruction is slow and deliberate."

Most city services were continuing as usual, Collin said, including waste management, water and sewer services..

But according to a Nov. 25, 2020, briefing to the provincial government, thousands of hours of work had been lost on servers and devices.

Keeping secrets

One year later, it's not clear what systems or capabilities the city still doesn't have back.

For the last year, the Saint John Police Force has been unable to answer access to information requests that ask for crime data and police reports, but Caissie, a spokesperson with the city, suggested this functionality has recently returned.

"As of this week, we can confirm that the Saint John Police Force has been provided with the capability to run a number of reports," Caissie said.

Saint John hasn't provided a timeline of how long it will take to fully recover from the cyberattack, which hit the city in November 2020. (Julia Wright/CBC file photo)

The attack also impacted provincial court proceedings, but the province hasn't tracked how many might have been delayed. The provincial government referred questions about that to the police, which referred questions to the province.

"Anecdotally we are aware that there were changes including the providing of disclosure documents," Department of Justice spokesperson Geoffrey Downey wrote in an email.

The city initially refused to provide most of its records about the cyberattack, citing a number of exemptions in the province's access to information legislation. But additional records were turned over earlier this year, following CBC's access-to-information complaint.

The Saint John Police Force is still investigating the cyberattack, according to spokesperson Jim Hennessy, but no update on whether any progress has been made was offered.

The agency consulted with the RCMP, but the RCMP has never initiated an investigation into the attack, a spokesperson for the Mounties confirmed.

Lessons for Newfoundland and Labrador

While Caissie confirmed a forensic report found no direct evidence of data theft, the attack on Newfoundland and Labrador's health care system has compromised patient data, the province confirmed, on top of delaying life-saving treatment. Caissie said the city has not received a request to provide advice to its Atlantic counterpart.

But if there's one thing Newfoundland and Labrador can learn from Saint John's experience, it's to not pay ransom should the province be asked, according to Dima Alhadidi, who has spent years researching topics such as data privacy.

"Regardless of the consequences, we should not pay," said Alhadidi, who is an assistant professor of computer science at the University of Windsor in Ontario.

"Because if we pay, this will motivate them to target other victims and we will end up having the same problems."

The decision not to pay a ransom was made by Saint John council, and the city's mayor believes it was the right one.

"Even if you decide you had the money and you pay for it, is there any guarantee you're actually going to get everything back? I mean, you're dealing with criminals," Reardon said.

Alhadidi also believes that governments hit by cyberattacks should be open with the public about the attack and what led to it to help protect other public agencies. 

She would also like to see mandatory training for all employees about how to deal with suspicious emails, and for all agencies to have a contingency plan on what to do should they be hit with a cyberattack.

ABOUT THE AUTHOR

Karissa Donkin is a journalist in CBC's Atlantic investigative unit. Do you have a story you want us to investigate? Send your tips to NBInvestigates@CBC.ca.

 

 

 

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/update-saint-john-cyberattack-1.5819977 

 

Experts 'working around the clock' to restore services, Saint John says in cyber attack update

Virtual services still offline, no evidence yet that personal information was stolen

 

CBC News · Posted: Nov 27, 2020 7:58 PM AT 

 


 Saint John city manager John Collin says he expects 'a full recovery' of online city services in the coming weeks. (Connell Smith, CBC file photo)

Two weeks after being hit by a cyber attack, the City of Saint John says a team of experts is "working around the clock" to restore its network and virtual services.

In a news release Friday evening, two weeks to the day after the city was targeted by ransomware, city manager John Collin said most of its information technology systems and overall network are still offline. 

Taking the systems offline was an "immediate and proactive" response to contain the virus, Collin said.

"Our network will be back online only once we are sure that it is safe to do so," he said. "I have been impressed with the dedication and professionalism of the team, and have full confidence that the city will recover in the coming weeks."  

There is still no confirmation that personal information was accessed in the attack, but the city is working on getting a conclusive answer, the release noted.

"As soon as we know more, we will notify the community immediately," the release stated, once again advising people to check their bank accounts and credit card statements for any unusual activity. 

The City of Saint John was targeted by a cyberattack late Friday, Nov. 13. (Julia Wright/CBC file photo)

Most city services are fully operational, including police and fire response, road and sidewalk maintenance, garbage and compost collection, bill and parking payment ticket payment, the customer service main line and more.  

The following services are temporarily unavailable:

  • City of Saint John full website. A temporary website is available at www.saintjohn.ca 
  • Some departmental phone lines 
  • Email to most city hall employees 
  • Online payments (bank and in-person cash or cheque payments are accepted) 

Other bill and ticket payment options are available and include:

Saint John Water can be paid at customer's bank, through pre-authorized payments, or in-person by cheque or cash at the Customer Service Centre on the 1st floor of City Hall.  

Parking tickets can be paid in-person by cheque or cash at the customer service centre on the first floor of City Hall. Customers must present their ticket when paying in person.  

On-street and monthly parking payments can be made at parking meter machines or through the HotSpot parking application. The application is hosted by a third-party vendor. Cheque or cash payments for monthly parking can be made in-person at the customer service centre. 

 

 

 

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David Amos
Methinks General John Collin's old CSE buddies could have fixed things overnight if the Crown were inclined to help Canada's oldest incorporated city. The Darling Mayor, his buddy Premier Higgy and all the Queen's Counsel's should not deny that Saint John was established by a Royal Charter of King George III for the benefit of another Major General the Yankee turncoat Benedict Arnold and his loyalist buddies on May 18, 1785. That went down one year after the Province of New Brunswick was created and yet we still don't have a Constitution to this very day Hence we must rely on the Federal Constitution from 1867 and its dubious 1982 Charter N'esy Pas?
 
 
Ray Oliver
Reply to @David Amos: Thanks for the history lesson. Reminds me alot of how you tie totally unrelated ideas and people together in your grand scheme to overthrow the entire financial and legislative houses across North America. Best of luck!!
 
 
David Amos 
Reply to @Ray Oliver: Methinks thinks you should climb back in bed with your other Fed shill going by the name of "Ray" in order figure how you dudes can continue to libel my Clan with the RCMP's blessing N'esy Pas?
 
 
Ray Oliver 
Reply to @David Amos: Their blessing? Give it a rest. You think you're that important its funny.
 
 
David Amos  
Reply to @Ray Oliver: Methinks everybody knows I am a man with a real name who sued more lawyers than anyone else in history while you were ust a kid in grade school failing at learning how to read and write and the RCMP.

Trust that Higgy the Gold Wing Road Warrior and all his lawyer pals know I why have been going at it tooth and nail with my former friends in the RCMP many years before you were even a twinkle in your Fat Daddy's eye N'esy Pas?
 
 
Ray Oliver 
Reply to @David Amos: still batting .000? 0 for 1000? There's some history i want a part of. I've had a more successful weekend so far than your entire life put together. I feel for your family
 
 
Ray Oliver
Reply to @Ray Oliver: if you're so successful in the court room then track me down
 
 
David Amos  
Reply to @Ray Oliver: "I've had a more successful weekend so far than your entire life put together."

Yea Right

Methinks you should review your own words and then ask your fans who is the narcissist in this spit and chew.

Everybody who bothers to read your words and mine understands that political science ain't rocket science in NB. Its been blatantly obvious you are just a noname kid who brags that he ignores the rules of this forum and uses several IDS to spread his bs. Trust that I would not be one it surprised to find out that your Fat Daddy got you a cushy job working for the government so that you could write spin for it and attack anyone who disagrees with the powers that be. After all it is not just me whom you pick fights with N'esy Pas?
 
 
David Amos  
Reply to @Ray Oliver: BTW Only a narcissist would like his own words out of the gate
 
 
Harvey York
Reply to @David Amos: lot of assumptions there dave. Speaking of rules, how many and of what type did you break to lose your beloved rust bucket of a bike and Medicare card?
 
 
David Amos  
Reply to @Harvey York: Take it up with the Feds
 
 
Harvey York 
Reply to @David Amos: nope..I want to hear your side of the story
 
 
Harvey York
Reply to @David Amos: "I am a man with a real name who sued more lawyers than anyone else in history" Ever hear of a man named Gord Strate? Few folks have. Here's a hint, you'll never find him in the hall of fame...
 
 
David Amos   
Reply to @Harvey York: I hate hockey My game is chess However The RCMP and the CRA know Pete Tingley my MIT educated Chartered accountant used to correct the NHL stats until the day he died Pete was also a member of Mensa and didn't work much he got by playing the stock market However he was always confused that he could never beat me at chess particularly after he tested my IQ but the Feds you adore know why that is and your other buddy "Ray" alluded to it N'esy Pas?
 
 
Harvey York
Reply to @David Amos: went right over your head. Shocking.
 
 
Ray Oliver
Reply to @David Amos: you need an accountant? What exactly would he be doing on your behalf? You have nothing. Are nothing.
 
 
Ray Oliver
Reply to @David Amos: you take all this up with the feds. Let me know how you make out
 
 
Harvey York
Reply to @David Amos: still waiting to hear your side of the Medicare story
 
 
David Amos   
Reply to @Harvey York: Methinks the CSE understands that you and the RCMP are not clever enough to even wonder why I feed the tr o lls with riddles N'esy Pas?
 
 
Harvey York
Reply to @David Amos: still waiting for the Medicare story
 
 
Ray Oliver
Reply to @David Amos: you feed people with riddles cause that Mensa brain of yours has about 7 voices up there minimum at any given moment
 
 
Ray Oliver
Reply to @David Amos: if you truly are brilliant. What a waste of it
 
 
David Amos   
Reply to @Harvey York: Check my blog if you really forgot As you no doubt know I explained it many times but it was always blocked
 
 
Ray Oliver
Reply to @David Amos: you don't pay taxes why should you reap the benefits of what those tax dollars fund
 
 
Harvey York
Reply to @David Amos: nope, go ahead let's hear it. Let me guess, you were just minding your own business one day, and some bug scary man walked up and snatched it from you for no reason at all. I want the coles notes version, not 300 pages of auto-reply emails
 
 
Harvey York
Reply to @Ray Oliver: he's actually permitted to post on here, so I guess the joke's on us taxpayers
 
 
Ray Oliver
Reply to @Harvey York: hes got us all fooled he thinks. Not one single person on this entire planet takes him seriously.
 
 
David Amos  
Reply to @Ray Oliver: Methinks you should learn to read kid I implied that I have a low IQ N'esy Pas?

However Intelligence people know that IQ tests are just one way to measure a man and what he is capable of. Perhaps you should ask your other buddy "Ray" what the Russian Skrink in the DECH said to me when he let me go a day early and later denied he had ever encountered me and then spit from NB

Furthermore how does a 14 year old with a low IQ pass flight school in 1967 without having any books to study? Why do you think I was accepted to university and or ROPT training at the RMC in 1970 without having to write my finals in High School? How did i manage to get 99 on the math and physics matrix only because they won't give 100? Why would I go to UNB instead on my own dime?

More importantly to me is why do you nasty people make fun of my children who are far more clever than you? They have nothing to do with the battle between the Feds and I but my sister and her hubby definitely do.
 
 
David Amos  
Reply to @Harvey York: Coles notes???

Politics
 
 
David Amos  
Reply to @Harvey York: "he's actually permitted to post on here, so I guess the joke's on us taxpayers"

Methinks the Feds should admit that I am the only one within this thread who is obeying the rules and posting in my true name they know that have paid more taxes than little "Ray" and employed people many years before he was crapping yellow in his pampers and crying like the baby he still is N'esy Pas?
 
 
Ray Oliver
Reply to @David Amos: I've paid more in taxes this year alone than you have in 20
 
 
Ray Oliver
Reply to @David Amos: obeying the rules. Yeah that's you to the T. Of course I'm not Ray. Come find me i double dog dare ya
 
 
David Amos  
Reply to @Ray Oliver: True if you are referring to income taxes but how much property taxes did you pay the last couple of years while camped in your Fat Daddy's basement and I paid taxes on my abode to Higgy et al?
 
 
Ray Oliver
Reply to @David Amos: you wouldn't pay that if they weren't able to seize the property over it. Come on.
 
 
David Amos  
Reply to @Ray Oliver: I'm not Ray. Come find me"

I told you it not my job Its my job to sue the RCMP because they assisted you in your wrongs Get it yet kid?
 
 
David Amos  
Reply to @Ray Oliver: DUHHHH????
 
 
Ray Oliver
Reply to @David Amos: they assisted me? Hahaha get real
 
 
Ray Oliver
Reply to @David Amos: so why such a deep interest in the politics of our country and a self proclaimed intellectual yet you cheat the system and want to pay nothing in taxes anywhere for anything and think Medicare is rightfully yours?
 
 
Ray Oliver
Reply to @David Amos: you think intervening in EUB and at the legislature as a tax cheater on all fronts allows you a seat at the table? GETTING MY POINT YET??
 
 
David Amos  
Reply to @Ray Oliver: More libel EH???
 
 
Ray Oliver 
Reply to @David Amos: document it dave. Build the case
 
 
David Amos  
Reply to @Ray Oliver: Methinks the RCMP should explain section 300 the CC of C to your fat daddy real slow sometime soon Perhaps he may wise up and boot you out his basement before being accused of assisting you in your rather obvious malice N'esy Pas?
 
 
Ray Oliver
Reply to @David Amos: no one listens to you. It'll go nowhere
 
 
Ray Oliver
Reply to @David Amos: fat daddy? Looked in a mirror lately?
 
 
David Amos  
Reply to @Ray Oliver: So you say Hammish
 
 
Ray Oliver
Reply to @David Amos: haven't seen max posting today? Have you?
 
 
David Amos  
Reply to @Ray Oliver: He never has However your RCMP pals know who is libeling my son
 
 
Ray Oliver
Reply to @David Amos: I know one thing since I've been on here you've been libeling the RCMP yourself. I am not even close to them yet you slander them saying I am here on their behalf.
 
 
Ray Oliver
Reply to @David Amos: you're done before you even got started
 
 
David Amos  
Reply to @Ray Oliver: "fat daddy? Looked in a mirror lately?"

I am down to amere 200 pounds Methinks you are the one who eats too many butter tarts that Cardy laments about N'esy Pas?
 
 
Ray Oliver
Reply to @David Amos: everything in moderation. Even butter tarts. 200 is alot for Danny DeVito pint sized people
 
 
David Amos  
Reply to @Ray Oliver:Methinks i should ask what planet you come from I can't libel a Crown Corporation that broke its contract with me and legions of others Hell I bet you don't know how many of its own member have been suing the Red Serge in recent years but if they will harass themselves it ain't rocket science to understand why they have been harassing me since 1982 N'esy Pas??
 
 
Ray Oliver 
Reply to @David Amos: because they broke contact with you doesn't allow libel. Bad breakup back in 1982 still got ya scorned eh?
 
 
David Amos  
Reply to @Ray Oliver: Danny DeVit???? Too TOO Funny Perhaps you should google me sometime soon
 
 
David Amos  
Reply to @Ray Oliver: Murder is a capital crime with no statute of limitations with the Crown or me However they are permitted to go on and on and on
 
 
David Amos  
 
 
David Amos  
Reply to @Ray Oliver: Methinks the RCMP recall very well what went down between Veterans Affairs Minister Greg Thompson and I 4 months after this announcement in 2008 No dout it is the reason you and Sally Brooks take such an interest my affairs within the DECH in Fat Fred City N'esy Pas?

February 22, 2008 - Fredericton
Regional Development Corporation
The Government of Canada and the Province of New Brunswick today announced that the construction of a new state of the art conference centre in downtown Fredericton would be considered a priority for joint funding under Building Canada, the Government of Canada's new long-term infrastructure plan. From left: Veterans Affairs Minister Greg Thompson, Norah Davidson-Wright, deputy mayor of the City of Fredericton, and Premier Shawn Graham.
 
 
David Amos  
Reply to @Ray Oliver: Methinks their blogger buddy Chucky should have informed Higgy and Cardy if they are gonna sic a far from ethical minor minion on mean old me they should not feed you too many butter tarts N'esy Pas?
 
 
Ray Oliver 
Reply to @David Amos: your affairs within the DECH? Did you go there willingly? Doubt it. Do they strap you down? Use one of those nets over your head?
 
 
Ray Oliver 
Reply to @David Amos: im not a minor. Good try though
 
 
David Amos
Reply to @Ray Oliver: Methinks you Mother should ask one of her disenchanted clients what happened to her in the DECH looney bin while you were debating in High School in Fat Fred City N'esy Pas?
 
 
Ray Oliver 
Reply to @David Amos: did you try to bite her? She's not a butter tart you know
 
 
Harvey York 
Reply to @David Amos: "Coles notes???

Politics"

Yeahhhhh, I doubt that. I think I stick to my original theory. Much more plausible
 
 
Harvey York 
Reply to @Ray Oliver: let's be honest with each other for just a second, I mean really, who in their right mind doesn't enjoy a flaky scrumptious butter tart from time to time?
 
 
Ray Oliver 
Reply to @Harvey York: just one? Higgy makes mine every Christmas with a picture of himself on his favorite old Harley.. They're succulent.
 
 
Harvey York
Reply to @Ray Oliver: awwww LUCKY!!!! I heard that the dough that Mr Higgs uses for the crust is rolled on Mr Cardy's thigh. Must be what makes them so heavenly  
 
 
Ray Oliver
Reply to @Harvey York: he won't reveal his secrets but I keep trying. One can dream thats how they were created though. Maybe he rolls the crust on the seat of that old Harley he picked up at a Jardine auction a few years back. Jelly!
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Joe Smith
I betting we never hear how the ransom software invaded the system and why it was not detected. First off I’m sure people are able to plug usb drives into the towns computers, which is a no-no. Next off, I’m wondering how the Admin rights were segregated among the systems and whether they have a proactive system to monitor and disable accounts? Software updates, do they do them, if so and how is it controlled. Who maintains the internal network and is it segregated based on use and access requirements? Firewalls, how many, who maintains them and of course, do they update the firmware and software, also who is the ISP for the province, do they provide any proactive monitoring of the inbound and outbound network traffic. Next, of course, is the backups, how often, when, where? Why has it taken this long to get at least the email and web sites up and running? So let’s see if we ever hear? They will probably say telling the facts is a security issue, or privileged information with the companies involved. Based on the slim details released, I’m guessing they probably failed in most of these categories and is why most towns should not be in this business and should hire their Friends and family to just run the liquor and marijuana dispensaries.
 
 
David Amos 
Reply to @Joe Smith: Well put 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
John Parker 
are you going to pay the ransom or spend money to "fix" the system only to be subject to another ransomware attack?
 
 
David Amos  
Reply to @John Parker: Good question  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
JOhn D Bond
Too funny working around the clock to fix something that should not have happened. By not taking the necessary precautions upfront, now they have to dig themselves out of a deep hole on the taxpayers dime.
One day people will start to hold these folks to account.
 
 
Terry Tibbs
Reply to @JOhn D Bond:
Clearly, it seems, restoring from back-up is not an option?
 
 
Ben Haroldson 
Reply to @Terry Tibbs: Backup.....oh yeah....about that backup...
 
 
Paul Bourgoin 
Reply to @JOhn D Bond: Could this have been an inside job???
 
 
David Amos
Reply to @Terry Tibbs: Ask yourself why
 
 
 

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  • 13 hours ago
Reply to @David Amos: Methinks its just getting started. Seems like your fan club is growing Messy Paws?


  • 12 hours ago
Reply to @Ray Oliver: Methinks everybody knows and especially you Hamish that that tony dude has been using my expressions just like you have for quite some time Hell even "Messy Paws" is not an original though of yours but your took credit for it anyway N'esy Pas?


  • 12 hours ago
Reply to @David Amos: We just copy them because they're so witty and well delivered. Slick Dave slick.. edge of your seat stuff.


  • 11 hours ago
Reply to @Ray Hamish Oliver: Methinks at least you now admit that you are Hamish Hence your legal beagle parents should say to the RCMP and of course your boss Cardy and his buddIes Higgy Chucky and little Lou for me N'esy Pas?


  • 11 hours ago
Reply to @David Amos: I don't follow. Are you totally coming unhinged or what? Riddles again


  • 11 hours ago
Reply to @Ray Hamish Oliver: You read my blog about you and the CSE perhaps your parent should too Methinks Norah and the RCMP are gonna enjoy my next email N'esy Pas?


  • 11 hours ago
Reply to @David Amos: is Hamish an actual person? So you've moved on from your 4 other wrong guesses to this now. I see


  • 11 hours ago
Reply to @Ray Hamish Oliver: Methinks WE which includes the unknown pals of your buddy Mr White aka Leblanc should never believe anything somebody who works for the government says about anything but at least WE do know for certain things are true once they have been officially denied N'esy Pas?


  • 11 hours ago
Reply to @David Amos: You've lost it.. so who's Harvey then?


  • 11 hours ago
Reply to @Ray Hamish Oliver: Ask the RCMP


  • 11 hours ago
Reply to @David Amos: I bet he's that guard from Guantanemo Bay who looked at you funny that one time, right? Gotta be..


  • 11 hours ago
Reply to @Ray Hamish Oliver: Guantanemo Bay???? Yet I lost it???

Methinks you its time for you back away from the butter tarts and ask your parents to tuck you in for the the night N'esy Pas?


  • 11 hours ago
Reply to @David Amos: Didn't you land there when you had the goods to impeach Bush hahahah


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  • 11 hours ago
Reply to @Ray Hamish Oliver: oh sorry another tall tale of your troubles south of the 49th as you would so annoyingly say


  • 11 hours ago
Reply to @Ray Hamish Oliver: My replies are going "Poof" again yet yours are not Yea right Don't tell me you are not protected Methinks you should consult with the other RCMP shill named Ray for the answers to your mindless queries N'esy Pas?


  • 11 hours ago
Reply to @David Amos: you've built a decades long reputation what do you expect. Maybe everyone will get lucky and they'll close your account

  • 15 hours ago
it`s blatantly obvious that Tony Mcalbey is Dave Amos` illegitimate love child


  • 14 hours ago
Reply to @Harvey York: I'm sure he doesn't admit or want to pay for any that come knockin


  • 13 hours ago
Reply to @Harvey York: Methinks Cardy has feed you and Hamish far too many butter tarts today N'esy Pas?

  • 18 hours ago
Methinks Cardy will be releasing some favourable news for everyone next week N’esy Pas?


  • 15 hours ago
Reply to @Tony Mcalbey: Amos ?


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  • 15 hours ago
Reply to @Tony Mcalbey: Why the new name, N'esy Pas?


  • 15 hours ago
Reply to @Tony Mcalbey: sorry Tony, there`s only room for one village id iot on this page, and DRA has that firmly locked down


  • 14 hours ago
Reply to @Lou Bell: I think he slipped up and forgot to sign back over to the DRA account..


  • 13 hours ago
Reply to @Tim Biddiscombe: I only post in my name and YOU know it Tmmy Bay


  • 13 hours ago
Reply to @Tony Mcalbey: Methinks its way past High Time that you confessed that we don't know each other N'esy Pas?


  • 13 hours ago
Reply to @David Amos: Maybe its one of your alter egos. How many are there?


  • 12 hours ago
Reply to @Ray Oliver: Don't fool yourself Hamish unlike you I use my real name

  • 18 hours ago
How many in the hospitals 1 or 2? Any? Overwhelming the hospital system is supposed to be the huge fear. I know I know put ur mask on and do as your told don’t ask silly questions!! It could be bad, it isn’t but it could be


  • 18 hours ago
Reply to @Pat Holland: govt has reached out for more help with no covid patients in hospital !! And they want us to believe what they say


  • 15 hours ago
Reply to @Tony Mcalbey: It's for the testing and the extra work doing it . Shouldn't be that hard to comprehend there Tony !


  • 15 hours ago
Reply to @Pat Holland: All one needs to look at is what's happening in much of Canada and the US ! How many UNNECESSARY deaths are " acceptable " there Pat ? Or should we all just let our guard down , like has happened in the last week or two ? You wanna play Russian Roulette , move to Russia !


  • 13 hours ago
Reply to @Pat Holland: Well put


  • 3 hours ago
Reply to @Lou Bell: and constant wearing of a mask directed by the power hungry authority wont lead to possible underlying health issues in the future for folks who are relatively healthy now? Look that side of the coin up Lou. I understand where your coming from open yourself up to other side as well. Why not put more focus on the ones more prone to contracting and facing more severe consequences. Atleast the data is there on that right? Why lock down an entire Nation when the numbers don't lie. There needs to be concern but to level of approach its taken is having way more negative consequences on peoples lives than just Covid. Yet we don't wanna discuss that. « less

  • 18 hours ago
99.7 % survival rate.


  • 18 hours ago
Reply to @Rene Doiron: Did you know potentially 5 out of 6 people survive Russian roulette?


  • 18 hours ago
Reply to @David White: your point ?


  • 18 hours ago
Reply to @Tony Mcalbey: Are we not throwing survivability rates around?


  • 18 hours ago
Reply to @David White: sure are


  • 18 hours ago
Reply to @David White: your something else bud. You must live in a world of duct tape and plastic wrap. One sided mind only. Haha


  • 18 hours ago
Reply to @Jay Forner: Actually, I live in a condo in TO and a house down east in the summer, well before anyways, not in my families basement like you.


  • 17 hours ago
Reply to @Jay Forner: You also spelt 'you're' wrong.


  • 17 hours ago
Reply to @David White: it is clear the education level of most of these Q types. This is Canada. Head south guys but YOUR brain dead leader is done in 7 weeks!


  • 15 hours ago
Reply to @Rene Doiron: Umm so the 1,449,642 people that have died which by the way does not represent 99.7% globally it is a 2.33% mortality rate. We have been very lucky here and successful in mitigating much of the risk in NB of 477 cases there have been 7 deaths or 1.46 mortality rate which is better than many other places
But survival rate is not a good indicator as it is the result of what our preventative measures have lead to. They would be much worse without them


  • 15 hours ago
Reply to @Rene Doiron: When people are scared and feel a lack of control over situations, conspiracy theories come from the desire to make sense of those situations. For one, people tend to turn to them when they feel powerless. Downplaying the virus is a way to attempt to deal with the immediate existential threat, but it also serves the purpose of allowing individuals to carry on as normal. A lot of the behaviors that people need to observe to manage the spread of the virus are unpleasant, and ... » more


  • 13 hours ago
Reply to @Ray Oliver: Methinks its time Hamish for you to back away from the butter tarts when you have to resort to using Trump to try to win a debate N'esy Pas?


  • 13 hours ago
Reply to @David Amos: Comparing the intelligence of his supporters and their grammar isn't using him, its abusing him.


  • 13 hours ago
Reply to @David Amos: Hamish?


  • 12 hours ago
Reply to @Ray Oliver: YOU


  • 12 hours ago
Reply to @David Amos: cool nickname I dig it


  • 12 hours ago
Reply to @Ray Hamish Oliver: Thank your parents


  • 12 hours ago
Reply to @David Amos: I do every night when they tuck me in and flick on my night light..


  • 12 hours ago
Reply to @Ray Hamish Oliver aka Ray Hamish Oliver etc etc etc : BTW if your your gonna switch back and fort from one ID to another today methinks you should be clever enough switch your photo too N'esy Pas???


  • 12 hours ago
Reply to @David Amos: same id middle nickname added for flair


  • 11 hours ago
Reply to @Ray Hamish Oliver: BS


  • 11 hours ago
Reply to @David Amos: someone's quickly cooking themselves up a recipe for a trip to the Chalmers again with all this kinda talk.


  • 11 hours ago
Reply to @David Amos: None of these people are planted for you, you've got that special gift of getting total strangers to call you out too. Be honored


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  • 10 hours ago
Reply to @David White: that’s a 17% death rate I don’t see your point


  • 10 hours ago
Reply to @JOhn D Bond: best check your math. 7.8 billion times your 2.33% death rate comes out to 181 million deaths ...wayyyyy off.


  • 10 hours ago
Reply to @Dave Shimla: No do your research, there have been just over 62 million cases that have been confirmed positive for Covid-19 of which 1,462,000 deaths.


  • 10 hours ago
Reply to @JOhn D Bond: that’s not how they figure death rate of a population. Well it is of your trying to get people to panic with inflated numbers lol


  • 10 hours ago
Reply to @JOhn D Bond: lol are those numbers .- deaths “with” covid or “from” covid big difference indeed


  • 10 hours ago
Reply to @Dave Shimla: Neither it is as a result of Contracting Covid-19. But feel free to keep denying and trying to obfuscate the issues. At the end of the day many more will be taken by this virus before the vaccine is rolled out. Sadly many of those will be a result of the naysayers, anti mask, anti government crowd. Karma will be a b for them in the future.


  • 6 hours ago
Reply to @Dave Shimla: They talk about infection rates per thousand. My comment was on the the post claiming 99.7% survival rate. You cannot survive something if you have not been infected by it. So again stop trying to understate the impact.


  • 6 hours ago
Reply to @Dave Shimla: Survival rate is a part of survival analysis. It is the percentage of people in a study or treatment group still alive for a given period of time after diagnosis. It is a method of describing prognosis in certain disease conditions. Survival rate can be used as yardstick for the assessment of standards of therapy. The survival period is usually reckoned from date of diagnosis or start of treatment. Survival rates are important for prognosis, but because the rate is based on the population as a whole, an individual prognosis may be different depending on newer treatments since the last statistical analysis as well as the overall general health of the patient. « less


  • 4 hours ago
Reply to @Jay Forner: Actually, I live in a Condo. Yours is a world of D&D and a single gym sock on the night table.


  • 4 hours ago
Reply to @Ray Hamish Oliver: David's family still can't get him to move out.


  • 4 hours ago
Reply to @David White: *David Amos*


  • 3 hours ago
Reply to @JOhn D Bond: u have the data on how many false positive test?

  • 18 hours ago
So I guess all these dumb cloth masks don’t prevent the spread of COVID, do they?


  • 18 hours ago
Reply to @Rene Doiron: almost as if these cloth masks are just PART of it, like they have always been saying


  • 18 hours ago
Reply to @Rene Doiron: I’m wondering that myself.


  • 18 hours ago
Reply to @Rene Doiron: No , the dumb people NOT wearing the masks are the problem ! Take a look at where most of the cases are !! Most are people in 20 -29 ands 30- 39 categories AT PUBS ARE BARS !!! You know , 1st beer lower the mask take a drink and replace the mask ! 2nd beer , lower the mask , take a couple of drinks ans replace the mask . 3rd beer , what the h - - l ! Lower the mask and drink away !!! And from looking at the locations and times , it appears , at least in Saint John , A PUB CRAWL !!! So there's your answer ! « less


  • 18 hours ago
Reply to @Lou Bell: Meh I wouldn't bother Lou, their backwards baseball caps will keep them safe... as long as they never come in contact with an airborne virus.


  • 18 hours ago
Reply to @Lou Bell: well Lou why don’t you open up your big fat wallet and pay the businesses to close otherwise what do you suggest ?


  • 18 hours ago
Reply to @Lou Bell: thats right Covid discriminates!! Who knew.


  • 16 hours ago
Reply to @Rene Doiron: Who told you that masks were 100% proof? Masks help lower the chances of you catching the darn thing. Plus, people that wear masks tend to be more responsible. Less chance of catching it when you are around them kind of people.


  • 15 hours ago
Reply to @Tony Mcalbey: Maybe the businesses need to either smarten up or shut down !! If they can't assure their customers follow the rules , SHUT 'EM DOWN !!! Take a look at who the guilt parties are ! Pubs, Bars , and Gyms ! What do you suggest brainwave ? The " Kenny template " from Alberta I imagine ! Run free !!!!!!!!!!


  • 13 hours ago
Reply to @Rene Doiron: One thing they will prevent for sure is a $292.00 fine.


  • 13 hours ago
Reply to @Randy McNally: True

  • 19 hours ago
About 2000 may have been directed to isolate, but its unreasonable to report that they're actually doing so unless you've evidence that they are in compliance.


  • 13 hours ago
Reply to @Roy Kirk: True

  • 19 hours ago
Higgs has information under strict control


  • 19 hours ago
Reply to @John Parker: he can’t hide from us for not wearing mask when inside at briefings.


  • 13 hours ago
Reply to @John Parker: Oh So True

  • 19 hours ago
Higgy needs to let us know why his police force broke basic rules of mask wearing down on Campobello. Mask around his police forces chin lol


  • 19 hours ago
Reply to @Tony Mcalbey: It's the power tripping lackeys he's got hire to be the wanna be police.


  • 19 hours ago
Reply to @Tony Mcalbey: Maybe he thinks much like you that " Rules are made to be broken no matter what they involve"


  • 19 hours ago
Reply to @Dan Stewart: Exactly


  • 19 hours ago
Reply to @Tony Mcalbey: So, I guess you have your answer already?


  • 19 hours ago
Reply to @Dan Stewart: no, higgys police force is suppose to set example


  • 19 hours ago
Reply to @Tony Mcalbey: Ahh, so you don't have to?


  • 19 hours ago
Reply to @Dan Stewart: no


  • 18 hours ago
Reply to @Ben Haroldson: you sound triggered


  • 13 hours ago
Reply to @Rene Doiron: Methinks it High Time the sheople noticed that some folks have had enough of Higgy's "Police State N'esy pas?


  • 3 hours ago
Wethinks thou good people of NB has had enough of thou malady of the head, with your impotent threats of 'rue the day' falling only to the sounds of crickets in pastoral fields.
Perhaps thou shalt cleanse thy plate of such nonsense and take thee physicians wares?
Farwell, Adieu and a N'esy Pas to you Sir!


  • 3 hours ago
Reply to @David White: i am some Hamish character now, and you got to be Chucky LeBlanc. Under aliases of course, and all paid to come here for him. Feel honored!!


  • 3 hours ago
Reply to @Ray Hamish Oliver: He should be worried about the people in the white van coming for him.


  • 2 hours ago
Reply to @Ray Hamish Oliver: Though his dramatic rants do allow me to practise my Shakespeare, win-win situation!

  • 19 hours ago
Something being done in Germany (which is being hard hit by second wave) for Christmas is a temporary relaxing of rules to allow a 10 person gathering between Dec 23 and Jan 1 so families can celebrate the holiday. Maybe some variation of that would be an idea that would work here if we don't get back to yellow before Christmas.


  • 19 hours ago
Reply to @Michael Collins: who says you have to follow the rules? I set cruise for 110kmh on highway 2 and I’m passed like I’m going 50kmh. Rules are made to be broken no matter what they involve


  • 19 hours ago
Reply to @Michael Collins: That's exactly the opposite of what's being done in the rest of Canada, where rules are being tightened up for the holidays. There are some cultural differences happening here. Among other things, for any given set of rules, Germans are more likely to follow them than Canadians are.


  • 19 hours ago
Reply to @Tony Mcalbey: Thanks for proving my point, Tony.


  • 15 hours ago
Reply to @Michael Collins: Like playing Russian Roulette with a gun that has 10 chambers instead of 6 ! It's still gonna happen , just a little bit slower !


  • 15 hours ago
Reply to @Tony Mcalbey: No , they're made to be followed ! Only the ignorant think they're made to be broken ! Most Trumpers believe they're made to be broken .
Reply to @Lou Bell: Cry me a river
Reply to @David Amos: Wethinks tis' you o'er wrought with grief thou wall-eyed scoundrel.
A Farewell, adieu and a N'esy Pas toy you!
Fredericton region info is useless!!! It is too large! Tell us ... fredericton area/ Harvey,mcadam/ Woodstock north. This would give more useful info!!!!!!
Reply to @Fred Dee: assume everyone has covid is the govt motto
Reply to @Tony Mcalbey: Really? Pretty sure the government is saying 111 cases... You must have misunderstood...
Reply to @Dan Stewart: no sir
Here is the quote
"As I have said before, the best approach is to assume that everyone may have the COVID-19 virus, and act accordingly," said Dr. Jennifer Russell, chief medical officer of health.
Reply to @Tony Mcalbey: So, still didn't read the above article hmm?
Reply to @Dan Stewart: no need to
Reply to @Tony Mcalbey: For you I suspect that's correct..... On the bright side, that's your first honest answer today!
Reply to @Dan Stewart: To be fair, the government really is saying that we have 111 cases, *but* that we should "act as if" everyone around us is infected and therefore follow the rules assiduously. For example, I shouldn't think that I can do as I like in uptown Saint John as long as I stay away from bars, restaurants and coffee shops.
Reply to @SarahRose Werner: That is true of course and why wearing a mask and following protocols are important. However sometimes you just need to point out the numbers.
Reply to @Dan Stewart: He has a hard time understanding the concept of Death due to *COVID Complications* level 1-2 Literacy?
Reply to @David White: living off dividends waiting for cpp and OAS to kick in !!! Freedom 45 is wonderful
Reply to @Tony Mcalbey: Sure Tony, Still at your age you should understand some simple words.
Plus I make 6 figures USD a year that's no excuse for me not to try to learn stuff.
Reply to @David White: wine with the cheese
Reply to @Tony Mcalbey: You? I picture Cheetos and Fruit Gushers.
 
Lou Bell
Reply to @Tony Mcalbey: Highly doubt it ! Like trump , when one needs to state their financial stnding , it's pretty well always FALSE !!!
 
 
 
Reply to @Lou Bell: I didn't think people considered 'social assistance' to be 'dividends'?
 
 
David Amos
Reply to @David White: Methinks it blatantly obvious that Higgy's blogging buddy Chucky certainly does N'esy Pas?
 
 
David White
Reply to @David Amos: Wethinks it is obvious thou art suffering from a malady in thee noggin.
Farewell, Adieu and a N'esy Pas' . You are also imagining all this.... this forum is all in your head.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
111 active cases with none in hospital. That sounds pretty good. Now that the cases are not scaring the public enough they start stating how many are self isolating. If one member of a household gets tested the rest self isolate until released by public health. The number of folks self isolating adds up pretty quick.
 
 
Reply to @Leigh Smith: fear factor yep! Think it gets better or worse?
 
 
David Amos
Reply to @Jay Forner: Who said the meek will inherit the earth?


  • 9 hours ago
Reply to @David Amos: Inheritance. You must be just salivating for your share of that soon

  • 22 hours ago
We are told masks stop covid from spreading, why does one need to isolate if one wears a mask when out ?


  • 22 hours ago
Reply to @Tony Mcalbey: If mask work, why do small businesses need to be CLOSED? If they DONT work , why are we being forced to wear them? Just an honest question.


  • 22 hours ago
Reply to @Jay Forner: it’s not an honest question, because if you had actually cared then you would know that not a single soul has said the masks are 100% effective, and not a single soul has ever said that masks are the ONLY factor in this pandemic.


  • 22 hours ago
Reply to @Jay Forner: The answer is the same in both cases. Masks reduce risk. They don't reduce it to 0%. It's like wearing a lot of layers to keep warm. All the layers together keep you warmer than one layer would alone. Masks are one layer. Requiring people who are known to be infected or at high risk of being infected (just returned from out-of-province) is another layer. Requiring businesses to have plans in place to keep customers 2 metres apart, do extra cleaning, etc. is another layer. Ditto physical distancing and washing hands. « less


  • 22 hours ago
Reply to @SarahRose Werner: right!! But that said.....and I somewhat agree then why the double standard on who opens and who dosent??? If the proper policies are in place and its complete discretion on each individual where they choose to go. Then tell me how Covid discriminates against certain businesses??? You can answer to that yourself also Winston.


  • 22 hours ago
Reply to @Winston Gray: Yeah it is an honest question. I could suggest your statement is not an honest reply with your " if you actually cared " remark !!


  • 21 hours ago
Reply to @SarahRose Werner: I wish i had a dollar for every time you answered that question. It's has been 9 months since the Pandemic started and many people still don't know that a mask only reduces the risk. Just wondering where have they all been?


  • 21 hours ago
Reply to @Tony Mcalbey: Masks do not stop it from spreading... just slow it down. The other two protocols both sanitizing and distancing will add to the effectiveness of all three are used in conjunction.


  • 20 hours ago
Reply to @Paul Miller: You are fortunate to not see the effects to the extent you feels comfortable to say that.


  • 20 hours ago
Reply to @David White: *feel*


  • 20 hours ago
Reply to @David White: Here is a refresher course for those still confused by the matter.
They are two different viruses that share similarities.

Here are some key differences between flu and COVID-19.
COVID-19 seems to spread more easily than flu and causes more serious illnesses in SOME people. It can also take longer before people show symptoms and people can be contagious for longer.

So this is not as simple as being just 'the Flu' and the SOME people are not all are seniors, but anyone with an immune-compromised system is at greater risk than the 'Flu'
Some of the under-educated will think these risk people are not taking care of themselves and neglect there are those born with conditions.

Do I agree with the measures? perhaps, perhaps not.
My personal stand on this does not prevent what's going on the same as yours unless any of you want to become Premier? « less


  • 20 hours ago
Reply to @David White: how many people you know had the flu this season? Just curious to know.


  • 20 hours ago
Reply to @Jay Forner: It could be an honest question if you have never once read or heard just how masking works.... but somehow I suspect that isn't the case...


  • 20 hours ago
Reply to @Jay Forner: How many people that you know have had the flu this season... or last season, or the season before that Jay? Just curious to know....


  • 20 hours ago
Reply to @SarahRose Werner: you haven’t spent time in the arctic to know a goose will keep you warm without anything else on. A mask will if it’s fitted for your face shape. Walmart handing out same size masks to everyone is not correct.


  • 20 hours ago
Reply to @David White: properly size/fitted masks will. Go get your face scanned and you can get the proper fitted and size mask for ones face shape. One size does not fit all when it comes to masks. Think about the people who work with infectious diseases daily, they are safe.


  • 20 hours ago
Reply to @Theo Lavigne: Theo, I wish *I* had that dollar! LOL


  • 19 hours ago
Reply to @Tony Mcalbey: What's the going price for custom-made masks these days? People can't be expected to wear something they can't afford. What most people *can* afford does at least something. If you can't afford Canadian goose, you wear something cheaper with a few sweaters underneath it. And no, community masks don't do as much as the medical-grade masks worn by hospital personnel, but we don't have enough medical-grade masks to go around. That's not a reason to avoid wearing community masks. « less


  • 19 hours ago
Reply to @Jay Forner: Here is a better question, how many people do I know personally that lost someone to COVID complications? 5 over 9 months in the USA, Italy, UK and Canada (BC)


  • 19 hours ago
Reply to @Tony Mcalbey: COVID complications kill people. It's not that big of a concept to understand.


  • 19 hours ago
Reply to @David White: Sorry SOME people who have compromised health issues.


  • 19 hours ago
Reply to @David White: not true. Covid is only part of the event.


  • 19 hours ago
Reply to @David White: deal with those, don’t make your problem someone else’s


  • 19 hours ago
Reply to @Tony Mcalbey: 'Complications' Tony


  • 19 hours ago
Reply to @Tony Mcalbey: It's not my problem any more than anyone else's. Are you reading anything or just getting triggered?


  • 19 hours ago
Reply to @Jay Forner: To answer the seasonal flu question, not many... must be from all the isolation. However, I fail to see the relevance in the situation. Our personal opinions on this do not change anything


  • 19 hours ago
Reply to @Tony Mcalbey: I am also amazed to think you feel I or anyone else have any control over you?
I'm just in this as everyone else is regardless.


  • 19 hours ago
Reply to @Winston Gray: like con domes. not 100%.


  • 19 hours ago
Reply to @David White: lol


  • 19 hours ago
Reply to @Ben Haroldson: That's a really good example, Ben. There is no contraceptive method that works 100%. That's certainly not a reason to avoid using contraceptives!


  • 19 hours ago
Reply to @David White: where do I start? What question ? You threw about 4-5 my way. Haha


  • 19 hours ago
Reply to @Dan Stewart: Dont be so gulable Danny! Flu dosent exist or take any lives anymore right? Just amazing how thats completely vanished. You folks hung up on Covid like we haven't conquered anything much worse is unbelievable. The fear instilled amongst you is more worrisome to me. Amazing folks just playing along with tune thats being played.


  • 19 hours ago
Reply to @David White: so they died of Covid? Or another underlying issue?


  • 18 hours ago
Reply to @Jay Forner: Complications that arise from having COVID & compromised health issues. 3 were seniors, 2 had respiratory problems that could not be treated. It's still not the seasonal FLU but yes the seasonal FLU can kill people too also getting hit by a car can be fatal.
I am not sure how many times I can write COVID Complications in these posts.


  • 18 hours ago
Reply to @Jay Forner: LOL.. I am just amazed that you're still flogging that same old horse... Surely you have another conspiracy or two you can work with Jay...


  • 18 hours ago
Reply to @Dan Stewart: I would just like people to understand the meaning of the words *COVID Complications*


  • 18 hours ago
Reply to @Jay Forner: actually no, perhaps 2


  • 18 hours ago
Reply to @Tony Mcalbey: masks do nothing. They are the illusion of safety. Complete garbage.


  • 18 hours ago
Reply to @Rene Doiron: that’s a fact. Well said bud


  • 17 hours ago
Reply to @David White: nobody is denying Covid exist! Nobody! The amount of chit chat on MSM and how Government is feeding that is more concerning to myself. I bet ya if you never heard of Covid a big chance you would have thought flu season was a little stronger these days. Maybe. Although I can agree with a little now.


  • 17 hours ago
Reply to @Dan Stewart: keep your eyes peeled to the TV and soak in the propaganda big guy. I'm not denying it . To the level folks like you've completely change your whole life or will allow to consume is just mind blowing.


  • 17 hours ago
Reply to @Rene Doiron: keep it going they getting agitated!! Haha....its all good to have a good sense of humor in all this.


  • 13 hours ago
Reply to @Jay Forner: Welcome to the circus


  • 4 hours ago
Reply to @Jay Forner: Well it's funny too a point, then just gets a little sad when people feel sorry for you. Then comical again when you try to formulate logical thought.

  • 22 hours ago
SMH at how many people simply dont see the road we are going down. Its scary times ahead if this continues and I'm not talking about Covid. Critical thinking is gone amongst people.


  • 21 hours ago
Reply to @Jay Forner: Fake BS...keep watching fake news CNN.


  • 20 hours ago
Reply to @Bert ernie: me? I think you completely taken my statement out of context. Maybe , maybe not. Lol


  • 19 hours ago
Reply to @Bert ernie: well said my friend


  • 19 hours ago
Reply to @Jay Forner: You bet. What with anthropogenic climate change and the growing gap between rich and poor, we're definitely in for scary times ahead.


  • 18 hours ago
Reply to @Jay Forner: Repetition makes a fact seem more true, regardless of whether it is or not. Understanding this effect can help you avoid falling for propaganda.


  • 13 hours ago
Reply to @Jay Forner: I second that emotion


  • 13 hours ago
Reply to @Paul Miller: True
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Errol Willis
It's beginning to look a lot like a red Christmas
 
 
SarahRose Werner
Reply to @Errol Willis: Not necessarily. Zones 1 and 5 have had outbreaks and were able to bring them under control while in phase orange. I don't see why the same can't be done with the current outbreaks. Might be an orange Christmas, but not a red one.
 
 
 
Reply to @SarahRose Werner: an orange Christmas is still a single household Christmas, but we are working uphill now because of the weather/season factor.
 
 
David Amos
Reply to @Errol Willis: Methinks many a true word is said in jest N'esy Pas?
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Jake Quinlan
2000, a lot of NBers. I wonder how much economic activity in NB is slowed/stopped with this number isolating for up to 2 weeks. Perhaps minimal, who knows. In any case, it's part of the pandemic response as mapped out by those that lead.
 
 
Reply to @Jake Quinlan: 2,000 people is 0.26% of the population of New Brunswick - a bit more than a quarter of 1%.
 
 
Terry Tibbs
Reply to @Jake Quinlan:

And those 2000 depending on the flow of information likely through 1 fax machine.
 
 
David Amos
Reply to @Terry Tibbs: Methinks the information is coming in the form of smoke signals from Higgy's backside N'esy Pas?
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Bill Henry
Those kids. What are we gonna do with em?
 
 
Reply to @Bill Henry: Make them self-isolate.
 
 
David Amos
Reply to @Bill Henry: Vote them out of office
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Mary Smith
I just wanted to say a huge thank you to all those who are properly isolating. To have 2000 isolating in NB is so unfortunate because it could have been proactively avoided had policies been upped (but thankfully they are now). It is so necessary though in order to break the chains of transmission.

If you are isolating, reach out to those in your community for support. People would be so willing to lend a hand to help support those who are in isolation. I know I would gladly drop off groceries and the like if I knew of anyone near by who was isolating. Your community wants to enable you to properly isolate and have all your needs still met.

"The virus doesn't move, people move it. We stop moving, the virus stop moving. The virus dies. It's that simple."

Again, thank you for sacrificing your time and for doing your part to contain the outbreak. Hopefully only a very small percent of those in isolation actually fall ill after all is said and done.
 
 
 
Reply to @: Good comment-- I am avail to help anytime also
 
 
 
Reply to @Mary Smith: We could avoid the next pandemic too, but most people's stomach is their God...
 
 
David Amos
Reply to @Mary Smith: Yea right
 
 
 
 
 
Ferdinand Boudreau 
Guess the Fax machine must be working in Fredericton
 
 
 
Reply to @Ferdinand Boudreau: I think they got the back up system working - carrier pigeons.
 
 
 
Reply to @Jim Johnston: This is New Brunswick. They're using carrier sea gulls.
 
 
David Amos
Reply to @Jim Johnston: Tut Tut Tut That was supposed to be a secret
 
 
Reply to @David Amos: Wethinks you think you have friends thou mountebank. Again this is all just in your head. Farewell, Adieu and a N'esy pas to you!

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