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https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/cortland-cronk-saint-john-covid-test-new-brunswick-1.5813830
Recovered COVID-positive Saint John man responds to criticism
As an essential worker, Cortland Cronk wasn't required to isolate when he returned from Calgary in October
· CBC News · Posted: Nov 25, 2020 6:00 AM AT
Cortland Cronk, 26, of Saint John says he was very careful and followed all of the COVID-19 rules. Despite a lot of panic among friends and contacts when he tested positive, no one he knows contracted the virus. (Submitted by Cortland Cronk)
Cortland Cronk, 26, never dreamed he would bring COVID-19 into New Brunswick. When he returned home from Calgary on an Oct. 24 flight, he followed all of the rules required of an essential worker.
Cronk was healthy when he arrived at the Saint John Airport and had worn a mask for the entire flight. As everyone else did, he stopped at the "new border" that's been set up and told officials all the details of his four-day business trip.
"And so the girl just asked me, 'OK, are you there for work? No worries.' And then she said, 'Do you have any symptoms,' which at the time I did not. So she's like, 'OK, you don't need a quarantine.'"
Cronk was considered an essential worker because he offered software support to auto dealers. Without the software, he explained, repairs couldn't be performed on the vehicles of first responders.
A spokesperson for the Department of Health confirmed Cronk wasn't required to self-isolate upon his return to New Brunswick in October, but those rules have now been tightened and most workers who travel outside of the Atlantic provinces have to self-isolate for 14 days when they return.
As far as he knows, no one he was in contact with, from his October meetings in Calgary, to friends he spent time with, to his spouse whom he lives with, has tested positive for the virus.
It was nine days after his arrival, on Nov. 2, when Cronk went for a COVID-19 test in Saint John. For the previous few days he had a "sniffle" and a mild headache. He blamed both on the time change between Alberta and New Brunswick, but with another business trip planned he wanted to be sure.
He said that after going for the test, no one from Public Health advised him to isolate until the results came back, and since he still felt generally well, he continued on with his regular activities.
"They didn't recommend it," he said. "They didn't say anything about it."
In a statement, a spokesperson for the Department of Health said: "If you have no symptoms of COVID-19, but are still eligible for testing, there are no requirements for you to self-isolate, unless you were directed to do so by Public Health."
Told to keep positive test result quiet
The day after his test, Cronk and a friend travelled to Fredericton, where he visited Jeff Alpaugh Custom, then stopped at a local restaurant for lunch.
When he got home to Saint John later that afternoon, his test result came in.
Looking back Cronk says, he wishes he had followed the advice of New Brunswick Public Health and not told anyone he was COVID positive. He believes keeping quiet would have saved himself, and those he crossed paths with, a lot of 'headaches.' (Cortland Cronk/Facebook)
"As I was getting back from Fredericton, walking into my buddy's house, I just checked my phone and I said, 'Hey, I'm positive.' And he didn't believe me at first — he's like, 'You're not even sick.' And I said, 'I know.'"
Cronk immediately turned around, got in his car and headed home to self-isolate as he was directed to.
On that first night, he estimates he spent four to six hours on the phone with health officials going through everywhere he had been.
Cronk said he was told not to tell anyone he had tested positive for COVID-19 to prevent widespread panic.
"They recommended me not to say anything to anybody — just until they assess the situation."
That's why, when a panicked Jeff Alpaugh texted Cronk asking if he was COVID-positive, Cronk told him no.
"I didn't want … panic when there wasn't panic needed," he said.
The next day, after health officials told him he could, he told Alpaugh and others he had tested positive.
A spokesperson for the Department of Health was unclear when asked whether COVID-19-positive people are being advised not to share their diagnosis. In a statement, CBC News was told Public Health "does not advise cases NOT to tell anyone" they are COVID-positive, but rather "assures the individual around confidentiality of their personal health information."
On Nov. 4, the day after Cronk's positive test result, the Department of Health announced his case in a news release stating that it was travel-related and that he was self-isolating.
The day after that, on Nov. 5, the Department of Health issued an exposure notification for his flights from Calgary to Saint John.
'People just went haywire'
Looking back, Cronk said he should have followed the advice he was given and not revealed that he had COVID-19.
"I think Public Health is right because of how people reacted when I told them that I had COVID. They acted like I was disease-ridden — they did."
It wasn't worth all the headaches that I got from just dealing with that.
- Cortland Cronk
"I told one of my best friends and he told 16 other people that all went into panic," he said.
Cronk said the entire experience has taught him who his "true friends" are.
"After I got it, people just went haywire. They said it was my fault. I shouldn't have been travelling. I shouldn't have been working. I shouldn't have been making money. I should have been isolating. I should have self-isolated when I got back home, etcetera, etcetera, etcetera.
"It wasn't worth all the headaches that I got from just dealing with that. Right. I couldn't imagine being sick, like actually sick, and then having to deal with all of that as well."
Cronk's symptoms never amounted to much. He later felt tired for a couple of days and lost his sense of taste and smell briefly but was able to continue working from home.
Communication improvements needed
Now recovered, Cronk said it's clear improvements are needed when it comes to communication at the Department of Public Health, and that contact tracers in the province are under pressure.
He described most of the officials he spoke with as "very unorganized."
Chief medical officer of health, Dr. Jennifer Russell, has said repeatedly that people shouldn't worry about being exposed to someone who is COVID-positive unless someone from government contacts them. (Government of New Brunswick)
"I had to explain myself, like, probably five times and go over my timeline again and again and again and again."
Cronk said that by the third phone call from someone asking him for the information he had already gone through twice, he told the person on the other end of the phone he was finished going over the same territory.
"There should be a file on me under my medicare number or whatever they put it in under and say, 'Here's all the information we've collected. We've put it all into the computer.' And then whenever someone opens up their file, they have it all here and they can just confirm something.
"They didn't do any of that. It was just asking the same questions over and over again."
The topper for Cronk was that when he asked Public Health officials to provide him with a note for his employer, stating he was COVID-19-positive, they said, "No, we don't do that."
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David Amos
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Methinks I should not
be surprised to see CBC make so many of my words evaporate as per their
MO However it did cause me to chuckle a lot when that they deleted
approximately 800 comments about the article below Some folks must have
noticed but the question is does anyone care and will the comment
section reappear in an much edited form before 6 AM N'esy Pas? Recovered COVID-positive Saint John man responds to criticism
As an essential worker, Cortland Cronk wasn't required to isolate when he returned from Calgary in October
Vanessa Blanch · CBC News · Posted: Nov 25, 2020 6:00 AM AT
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Go Figure "When businesses and other organizations release their own statements about possible COVID-19- exposure, it can create confusion and anxiety with the public, says New Brunswick's chief medical officer of health.
"They feel like they're doing their due diligence and it's well-intentioned," said Dr. Jennifer Russell. "But it can be very confusing for the public."
Lee Weideman
This tells me that the so called authorities do not have a clue on how to handle things.
David Amos
Reply to @Lee Weideman: Methinks that is an understatement to say the very least N'esy Pas?
Edward
Vella
With no national
leadership, provinces have all created different guidelines and
procedures, which has then created mistakes and confusion.
Janet McNaughton
Reply to @Edward
Vella: For better or worse, it's the way our country is run. Can you
imagine Ottawa trying to impose public health orders on Alberta?
Biff
Steele
Reply to @Janet McNaughton: ottawa = for worse
Rob
Grizwald
Reply to @Biff
Steele: for doing all they can LEGALLY do??? every right winger would be
up in arms if the feds tried to impose their will on provincial
politicians.
David Amos
Reply to @Rob
Grizwald: Methinks folks fail to understand that there has yet to be a
vote on the Throne Speech hence Higgy's Police State does not have a
mandate yet and the way things are going they never have one N'esy Pas?
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ASAP particularly after my receiving a very
egregious letter from one of my doctors N'esy Pas?
https://davidraymondamos3.blogspot.com/2020/11/store-owner-furious-with-public-healths.html
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/fredericton-covid-exposure-jeff-alpaugh-case-1.5800648
Store owner furious with Public Health's response after COVID exposure
Jeff Alpaugh says businesses expected to have detailed, thorough COVID protocols, but Public Health isn't
· CBC News · Posted: Nov 18, 2020 6:00 AM AT
After someone visited his store who was COVID-positive, Jeff Alpaugh, owner of Jeff Alpaugh Custom in Fredericton, says Public Health must find a way to be more transparent about public exposures. (Submitted by Jeff Alpaugh)
A Fredericton business owner says he has lost all faith in the Department of Health after a COVID-positive person visited his store earlier this month.
Jeff Alpaugh, owner of Jeff Alpaugh Custom in downtown Fredericton, said he gives more detailed guidance to customers on how to care for their new dress shirts than he received from health officials about what to do after being exposed to a deadly virus.
The information he received in an initial call from someone from Public Health was so "sketchy," Alpaugh thought he was being scammed.
This story is based on detailed notes, emails and texts kept by Alpaugh from the moment he received that first call alerting him that someone in his store had tested positive for COVID-19.
Dr. Jennifer Russell, chief medical officer of health, refused to respond to concerns in an interview but a communications person sent an email statement.
"Public Health has always provided the pertinent information the public needs to take measures to protect themselves," that statement reads.
Alpaugh said that for him, this was not the case.
Day 1, Tuesday, Nov. 3
The Fredericton businessman said it was about 4:30 p.m. on Tuesday when someone claiming to be from Public Health called his store and informed his manager the shop would need to close for 14 days.
Alpaugh was shocked by the lack of information that was exchanged in that first call, with the official refusing to give her last name or to leave a number.
And then she says, 'I can't give you any information about the individual who was in the store because I have to protect their privacy.'
- Jeff Alpaugh, Jeff Alpaugh Custom
"We're not going to act on … a random phone call from someone we don't have a last name for," he said.
When the woman called back, Alpaugh spoke with her, and she told him someone who had tested positive for COVID-19 had been in his store that day.
Alpaugh said she was hesitant to give her last name and offered only a general email address and telephone number.
"And she reiterates that we need to close the store down right away, and so I'm, like, 'Well, do we need to close the store down right away or do the people who were exposed need to self -isolate for two weeks?'"
Confusion deepens
While he was speaking with the official on the phone, Alpaugh said, he was searching online for information about recent cases of COVID-19 in New Brunswick to corroborate what she was saying. His confusion deepened when he saw no new cases had been reported that day, nor the day before.
"And then she says, 'I can't give you any information about the individual who was in the store because I have to protect their privacy.'"
Someone who was COVID-positive visited Alpaugh's store on Nov. 3 and came into contact with at least two staff members. (Submitted by Jeff Alpaugh)
Alpaugh's suspicions grew when he asked her to send him an official email verifying who she was and where she was calling from.
"She says, 'Well, that's not relevant,'" Alpaugh said.
"Well, it's pretty relevant to me. Like, are you calling from Ottawa? Are you in New Brunswick? Is this the Nigerian prince scam?'"
That's when she told him she had to go and might be able to send an email later that evening.
With no details from government, Alpaugh investigates
That evening, a confused Alpaugh called a local journalist as he tried to figure out whether there had been a new case of COVID-19 that the news media hadn't reported.
Then he called his lawyer trying to determine whether it was a scam, whether his staff could go home, and whether he needed to close his store.
Small businesses do get scammed all the time, so you would think a government department would consider the receiver of the message.
- Jeff Alpaugh, Jeff Alpaugh Custom
"[My staff] don't want to go home and infect their family. There's a lot of things to figure out. They're also doing a big, deep clean of the store."
Alpaugh was attending meetings and not in his store that day. Even so, with two small children at home, including an infant, and his 70-year-old mother-in-law, he was worried about being exposed indirectly. He didn't want to ignore the call if it was legitimate.
"Small businesses do get scammed all the time, so you would think a government department would consider the receiver of the message," Alpaugh said.
"Walk in my shoes and craft and deliver the message in an appropriate manner."
In such a serious situation, Alpaugh expected an official letter with a high-ranking signature, contact information and "actual instructions."
When asked what kinds of instructions are provided to businesses in the case of a COVID exposure, a spokesperson for the Department of Health said "each situation is unique" but typically they are called and a letter is sent.
"Businesses are provided as much information as possible without compromising individual privacy."
Alpaugh said he needed to know who it was who tested positive in his store, so he and his staff could determine how close they had been and for how long.
Measuring a client for a custom suit means you are very close for an extended period of time.
Throughout the evening, with no further contact from Public Health or WorkSafeNB, Alpaugh continued his own detective work.
Since the call advising him of the exposure in his store came from a Saint John number, he texted one of two people from Saint John who had been in that day and asked if he was the one.
Alpaugh tried to determine who the infected person was so he could let those who visited afterward know they had been exposed to COVID-19. (Submitted by Jeff Alpaugh)
"I got a phone call from Public Health today saying someone entered my store today who later tested positive for COVID. The caller is from [Saint John]. I am trying to determine if the call was legit. Did you … test positive today," he wrote.
The person texted back, "Hey I did not."
'You'll never believe it, but actually it was legit'
The evening wore on with no further phone calls or emails from Public Health.
To confuse the situation ever more, Alpaugh contacted a government employee he knew. He said that person assured him the government would "never give you a phone call like that" on COVID-19, and then suggested he contact the police about what sounded like "a personal target attack."
"Then an hour later, he calls back and goes, 'You'll never believe it, but actually it was legit.'"
By the time Alpaugh got off the phone it was about 9:45 p.m., and he finally saw an email from the woman who originally called him.
"It's from that generic account she gave me. It's not a signed PDF or official letterhead … like I'd requested. There's no detailed instructions, no information I can really use."
The three-sentence email from Saint John Public Health was sent at 7:02 p.m. and asked that Alpaugh close his store for 24 hours and do "routine cleaning" and that his two staff members who were exposed isolate for 14 days.
At 8:28 p.m. he received another email from the Saint John region's medical officer of health, Dr. Kim Barker.
Barker asked Alpaugh to close his store for 24 hours "to permit enhanced cleaning," and for him to "support the requirement of your two staff to remain on self-isolation for 14 days."
Barker states in that email that the privacy of the COVID-positive person needs to be protected.
At the end of Day 1, Alpaugh still had no details from the Department of Health about who had tested positive and was therefore unable to narrow down which customers might have been exposed to COVID-19 or how close his staff were to the infected person.
Day 2, Wednesday, Nov. 4
After a sleepless night, on Wednesday, Alpaugh started contacting every client who was in the store the day before to let them know they may have been exposed to COVID-19.
"I was like, I'll give you this information because I have it, but nobody's told me what that actually means for you," he told them.
"There's no instructions. Who is doing the contact tracing? And if contact tracing is not required, why isn't it required? And when are they going to interview my staff and get their version of events? Like nobody's asked my staff any questions."
That afternoon a news release from the Health Department said one person, 20 to 29 years old, had tested positive with COVID in the Saint John region. It said the case is "related to travel outside of the Atlantic bubble" and the person is "self-isolating."
Later that day, Alpaugh said, the Saint John person who visited his store the day before, and who initially denied being infected, finally admitted he was COVID-positive.
Alpaugh was bothered by the fact the government release said the person was self-isolating, with no alert that he had been travelling around the province the day before. He described the news release as "purposely deceptive" about the whereabouts of an infectious individual.
"I don't know how many businesses he visited, but it seems unlikely he only visited me. [He] didn't go to a coffee shop? Didn't go to a McDonald's? Didn't go to a Walmart? Didn't go to a Costco?
"At this point I'm, like, 'What are the chances that mine is the only business that he came into? Probably zero.' And I haven't heard anything about anything else."
Alpaugh said he found the lack of information and transparency from Public Health "super disturbing."
Medical officer of health calls
At about 5 p.m. on Wednesday, more than 24 hours after the original phone call, Alpaugh received an email from Barker saying she had tried calling him three times but he didn't pick up the phone.
"Well, she's calling me from a no caller ID number," Alpaugh said. "I don't pick up no caller ID numbers. If you're in 2020 nobody does."
Despite his frustrations and intense stress, Alpaugh said, the conversation goes well and Barker apologizes, is empathetic, and talks to him about how the Department of Health can improve future communication. That call ends with a plan for Alpaugh and Barker to meet with a representative from WorkSafe NB the next day.
Since finding out about the COVID exposure in his store, Alpaugh said he still has not received any written or official information regarding what he and his employees should do, how he should advise his customers, nor details on contact tracing or testing.
CBC News requested an interview with Dr. Kim Barker but the Department of Health refused.
A spokesperson told CBC News that guidance for employers can be found on the government's COVID-19 website and on WorkSafeNB website's frequently-asked questions section.
Alpaugh said it's "infuriating" that government officials expect small businesses like his to have detailed COVID plans but don't seem to have a detailed plan of their own to adequately support business people who are trying to navigate a COVID exposure.
"If you want to see my small business COVID plan, it is like the most nauseating legal document ever," he said. "It is so long and so thorough. These guys send me a one-liner email from the iPhone and that's all I got. But I'm supposed to have every 'I' dotted and every 'T' crossed?"
Day 3, Thursday, Nov. 5
By day three, Alpaugh said, his stress level had only escalated. He hadn't slept more than three hours for the past two nights.
His staff were at home self-isolating while he single-handedly operated his business. Alpaugh's employees have not been interviewed by contact tracers.
"The only reason we didn't have to close for 14 days is I was able to personally run the store."
With the required 24-hour closure, and having to replace his two employees, Alpaugh estimated he lost $10,000 during the critical holiday season.
While Public Health officials have called every day to ensure his employees are self-isolating and asking whether they have symptoms, no further investigation has happened to Alpaugh's knowledge.
He called Barker and told her he is "losing faith in her and the government completely."
"And I just can't sleep at night. I just can't sleep."
Staff denied COVID testing
Alpaugh said that in every phone call he had with government officials, he asked that he and his staff be tested for COVID.
I think incompetent management is giving incompetent orders to incompetent people.
- Jeff Alpaugh, Jeff Alpaugh Custom
Every day, his employees have submitted the online form requesting a test and have been told it won't be available for more than a week.
"That is the most upsetting of this whole thing," he said.
Eventually his staff were both tested 10 days after the exposure, on Friday, Nov. 13. They both received negative results.
Now two weeks later, Alpaugh said, officials from the Department of Health still haven't told him anything about who tested positive in his store that day. Nor have contact tracers called him and his staff.
He worries that the lack of information he has been able to share with his customers reflects badly on him.
"I deal solely on my reputation of integrity and I can't compromise it for the government, who isn't even being honest with me. They're not even telling me the truth and letting me in on anything."
A balance between 'alarmism and transparency'
Alpaugh believes that when it comes to sharing information, the government's pendulum swung too far to the side of privacy after people found out Dr. Jean Robert Ngola was the health care professional Premier Blaine Higgs blamed for the first COVID outbreak in the province.
"I appreciate that maybe the government handled the doctor in Campbellton privacy issue poorly, but it doesn't justify overcorrecting the other way," said Alpaugh.
"A professional organization needs to find that balance between alarmism and transparency. And it's not at odds with integrity. It's just not."
Alpaugh believes a threat to people in Fredericton has gone unreported and that has kept him awake at night.
"I think incompetent management is giving incompetent orders to incompetent people."
"I give more detailed instructions to a client when I tell them to come and pick up their dress shirt."
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David Amos
Alpaugh believes a threat to people in Fredericton has gone unreported and that has kept him awake at night.
"I think incompetent management is giving incompetent orders to incompetent people"
Yup and a great deal worse id also true
Methinks Alpaugh and Higgy et al know that I am preparing to prove it again in Federal Court Court in Fat Fred City N'esy Pas?
"I think incompetent management is giving incompetent orders to incompetent people"
Yup and a great deal worse id also true
Methinks Alpaugh and Higgy et al know that I am preparing to prove it again in Federal Court Court in Fat Fred City N'esy Pas?
David Amos
Reply
to @David Amos: Your suits never get by the planning stages , if that !
I think they're more like the " joke of the day " ! They're wondering
what's next !! We don't even bother with them. Fake News !
David Amos
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Reply to @Lou Bell:
Methinks Higgy et al know that your buddy Billy was the " joke of the
day " yesterday now its your turn N'esy Pas?
"Billy Buckner Reply to @David Amos: Methinks they all have a stronger backbone than Gauvin and his coward ways, and turning his back on those who voted him in. Considering your picture and name is listed on every gov'ts building POI list I think we can all safely disregard anything you post as nonsensical and irrelevant. But I enjoy reading your posts for the pure entertainment factor N'esy Pas??
"Billy Buckner Reply to @David Amos: Methinks they all have a stronger backbone than Gauvin and his coward ways, and turning his back on those who voted him in. Considering your picture and name is listed on every gov'ts building POI list I think we can all safely disregard anything you post as nonsensical and irrelevant. But I enjoy reading your posts for the pure entertainment factor N'esy Pas??
David Amos
Reply to @Lou Bell:
How often have you teased me about not having a Medicare card and
falsely claimed that I am a Yankee citizen then invited me to sue you?
David Amos
Reply to @Lou Bell:
How often have you denied that Federal Court File No T-1557- 015 exists
and been argued in Fat Fred City 5 years ago and Justice BELL knows I
ain't done with it yet?
David Amos
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Methinks
Higgy et al are well aware of why I would like to talk to Mr Alpaugh
ASAP about our common concerns particularly after my receiving a very
egregious letter from one of my doctors N'esy Pas?
David Amos
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Reply to @David Amos: FYI I called but he never called back
Al Clark
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Reply to @David Amos: NSS LOL !
David Amos
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Reply to @Al Clark:
Thanks for taking the bait FYI Methinks your hero Higgy knows why I know
why I am the one who is laughing at you who is less than nobody without a
clue as to what happened N'esy Pas?
David Amos
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Reply to @Al Clark: BTW Sherlock I did have a long conversation with one of his staff
David Amos
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Look to the right and check the advertising
David Amos
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Does anyone wonder why this article generated over 500 comments thus far? Cindy Casey
Is it public info on if fines were given out ?
David Amos
Reply to @Cindy Casey: Yup
Cindy Casey
I like this guy !
Smart man ! He’s absolutely right ! Don’t trust our government is on it,
clearly their not ! I guess not everyone has common sense.
David Amos
Reply to @Cindy Casey: True Scroll down to see why
Nyneva
Kyte
I've lost all faith in these article photos. Is that a mannequin?
David Amos
Reply to @Nyneva
Kyte: Nope Methinks that really is Dr. Kim Barker and no doubt the
retired General Colin who speaks for her agrees N'esy Pas?
Ernie Tain
Reply
to @Nyneva Kyte: I realize that most people his age these days wear
rags and flipflops when going out in public, but some do actually have
some taste.
Lorne
McClenaghan
Doesn't
sound like NB has any confidence in their 'safe' business practice
guidelines?? Are masks only effective if you DON"T have covid??
David Amos
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Reply to @Lorne
McClenaghan: Methinks Higgy et al and everybody in the medical
profession knows a virus can go through one of those masks like a
mosquito through a chain link fence N'esy Pas?
Randy Davis
Very brave to speak out Mr. Alpaugh..welcome to the gong show!
David Amos
Content disabled
Reply to @Randy Davis: Methinks making a mountain out of a molehill is paying dividends N'esy Pas?
Dallas Mcquarrie
Perhaps this is our first taste of the 're-invention;' of public services promised in the Throne Speech!
Methinks after playing dumb then ignoring me for 10 years you must agree that you get the governments you deserve N'esy Pas?
David Amos
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Reply to @Dallas Mcquarrie: Cry me a river Methinks after playing dumb then ignoring me for 10 years you must agree that you get the governments you deserve N'esy Pas?
Ray Bungay
Close
the store for two days and sanitize the place and then reopen the store
and wait for "official " health department, i.e. Dr Russel to come in
with an order to close. Then he can get his lawyers involved and settle
it once and for all.
David Amos
Reply to @Ray Bungay: Yea right
Ernie Tain
Bureaucrats have never shown stellar performance before. They won't now.Ernie Tain
David Amos
Reply to @Ernie Tain: Oh So True
Cody
Williams
?
"exposed to a deadly virus." it's only POSSIBLY deadly if you are at
risk! Are you at risk? If so, take precautions and hide like your life
depended on it. Not at risk? Live life like normal.Fred
Brewer
Reply to @Cody
Williams: Sure why not? After all, those not at risk are likely to
recover. Who cares if they have permanent lung scarring or are still
feeling symptoms 8 months later. No biggie, right?
Ernie Tain
Reply to @Fred
Brewer: Those are exceedingly rare, though, so again, those at risk
aren't going to have that. It makes a nice scary narrative, albeit
false.
David Amos
Reply to @Ernie Tain: I concur
brandy rivers
While
I understand and have sympathy for Alpaugh, his employees, and his
business, I do not think he should have the right to know who exactly
had COVID-19. That's not to say that the Government was not at fault...
they should be more clear and provide authenticity when communicating
with businesses and individuals when it comes to contact tracing.
However, by day two, Alapugh knew that two of his employees were at risk
(even if the carrier had a one-on-one tailoring session, they most
likely came in contact with the other employee), and knew to disinfect
his business.
If Alpaugh knew the name of the carrier, yes he could have known exactly what time frame the person was in the store, but this wouldn't change the two things he needed to do for his store to be safe. And if Alpaugh knew the name of the carrier, I'm undoubtedly sure that Alpaugh would have told everyone he knew who it was, thus putting that person in danger.
Like I said, I agree that the Government needs to do better in terms of contact tracing, and sharing information, however that does not give the right to share private medical history to a small store owner.
If Alpaugh knew the name of the carrier, yes he could have known exactly what time frame the person was in the store, but this wouldn't change the two things he needed to do for his store to be safe. And if Alpaugh knew the name of the carrier, I'm undoubtedly sure that Alpaugh would have told everyone he knew who it was, thus putting that person in danger.
Like I said, I agree that the Government needs to do better in terms of contact tracing, and sharing information, however that does not give the right to share private medical history to a small store owner.
Lucia Lorini
Reply to @brandy rivers: Exactly.
Al Clark
Reply to @brandy rivers: not what he wants. Read it. He has a problem with the sketchy warning call.
Ray Bungay
Reply to @brandy rivers: Right on!
Randy
Davis
Reply to @brandy rivers: So fines for the customer who did not self isolate are in order?
David Amos
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Reply to @Randy
Davis: Methinks if Higgy et al stuck to their own rules and he were
fined then the sneaky customer's protected name would come into view No
doubt he is likely a bureaucrat working under Higgy or worse yet a lawyer
N'esy Pas?
brandy
rivers
Reply to @Al Clark:
"Alpaugh said he needed to know who it was who tested positive in his
store, so he and his staff could determine how close they had been and
for how long."
David Amos
Content disabled
Reply to @brandy
rivers: Methinks Alpaugh must have at least figured out by now that the
fancy masks that he is hustling in the ad to the right of this comment
section don't work against a virus N'esy Pas?
howard park
I
feel sorry for this business owner. Not only he had to close his
business for 14 days but now he and his employees also have to worry
about getting infected. A more diligent contact tracing is needed to
prevent more business closure and people getting infected without any
warning. Also, tougher fines for those that keep beaking quarantine rule
and put others in danger.
David Amos
Reply to @howard park: If you read it again you will see he closed for 2 days
---------- Original message ----------
From: David Amos <david.raymond.amos333@gmail.
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2020 17:37:28 -0400
Subject: Re My right to MEDICARE and NO MORE false imprisonment
To: ethique.ethics@vitalitenb.ca, "thomas.lizotte"
< thomas.lizotte@vitalitenb.ca>
Blaine.Higgs@gnb.ca, MelanieDawn.Cameron@horizonnb.
info@vitalitenb.ca, benoit.bourque@gnb.ca,
fin.minfinance-financemin.fin@
dave.dell@gnb.ca, Dorothy.Shephard@gnb.ca, "chuck.chiasson"
< chuck.chiasson@gnb.ca>, MichelleAnne.Duguay@gnb.ca,
Jason.Sully@gnb.ca, "kris.austin" <kris.austin@gnb.ca>, "robert.mckee"
< robert.mckee@gnb.ca>, "robert.gauvin" <robert.gauvin@gnb.ca>,
Nathalie Sturgeon <sturgeon.nathalie@
< Newsroom@globeandmail.com>, "Ross.Wetmore" <Ross.Wetmore@gnb.ca>,
andre <andre@jafaust.com>, Rhonda.Brown@globalnews.ca, pm
< pm@pm.gc.ca>, "Gerald.Butts" <Gerald.Butts@pmo-cpm.gc.ca>,
"geoff.regan" <geoff.regan@parl.gc.ca>, "Katie.Telford"
< Katie.Telford@pmo-cpm.gc.ca>, "Ian.Shugart"
< Ian.Shugart@pco-bcp.gc.ca>, "ian.fahie" <ian.fahie@rcmp-grc.gc.ca>,
"andrew.scheer" <andrew.scheer@parl.gc.ca>
Cc: motomaniac333 <motomaniac333@gmail.com>, DND_MND@forces.gc.ca
https://twitter.com/
David Raymond Amos @DavidRayAmos
Replying to @DavidRayAmos @alllibertynews and 49 others
Methinks Higgy et al are well aware of why I would like to talk to Mr
Alpaugh ASAP particularly after my receiving a very egregious letter
from one of my doctors N'esy Pas?
https://davidraymondamos3.
#cdnpoli #nbpoli
https://www.cbc.ca/news/
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Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2020 00:51:52 +0000
Subject: Automatic reply: I just caught Krissy Baby being a LIAR on
Rogers TV and they cut me off
To: David Amos <david.raymond.amos333@gmail.
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Subject: Automatic reply: I just caught Krissy Baby being a LIAR on
Rogers TV and they cut me off
To: David Amos <david.raymond.amos333@gmail.
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From: David Amos <david.raymond.amos333@gmail.
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2020 20:51:48 -0400
Subject: I just caught Krissy Baby being a LIAR on Rogers TV and they cut me off
To: "kris.austin" <kris.austin@gnb.ca>, "blaine.higgs"
< blaine.higgs@gnb.ca>, "Kevin.Vickers" <Kevin.Vickers@gnb.ca>,
"robert.mckee" <robert.mckee@gnb.ca>, "robert.gauvin"
< robert.gauvin@gnb.ca>, "Ross.Wetmore" <Ross.Wetmore@gnb.ca>, andre
< andre@jafaust.com>
Cc: motomaniac333 <motomaniac333@gmail.com>, Nathalie Sturgeon
< sturgeon.nathalie@
< Newsroom@globeandmail.com>
https://www.youtube.com/watch?
Kris Austin, People's Alliance - Voice of the Province - February 20, 2020
19 watching now
Rogers tv
32.1K subscribers
David Amos Too too Funny
David AmosAsk Chucky why i was barred from the leg 2 years before he was
David Amos Ask Austin what he thought of the email everyone including
Chucky got on Feb 14th
David Amos Asdk Austin what he thinks of my lawsuit against the Crown
David Amos Chucky did attend one of the hearings because he and
Vickers are mentioned in the lawsuit
David Amos I take false arrest very personally
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: David Amos <david.raymond.amos333@gmail.
Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2020 15:59:18 -0400
Subject: Fwd: YO Mr Higgs Re My right to MEDICARE and NO MORE false
imprisonment Just as I get another bill from Vitalité I hear Horizon
want the RCMP to arrest me AGAIN TRUE or FALSE??? (Out of Office )
To: Rhonda.Brown@globalnews.ca, pm <pm@pm.gc.ca>, "Gerald.Butts"
< Gerald.Butts@pmo-cpm.gc.ca>, "geoff.regan" <geoff.regan@parl.gc.ca>,
"Katie.Telford" <Katie.Telford@pmo-cpm.gc.ca>, "Ian.Shugart"
< Ian.Shugart@pco-bcp.gc.ca>, "ian.fahie" <ian.fahie@rcmp-grc.gc.ca>,
"andrew.scheer" <andrew.scheer@parl.gc.ca>
Cc: motomaniac333 <motomaniac333@gmail.com>, david.akin@globalnews.ca
Need I say that I am tired of being called a perennial candidate on TV?
http://davidraymondamos3.
Monday, 22 May 2017
Before writs were dropped in BC and NS The VERY UNETHICAL "Journalist"
David Akin scores a new job as CHIEF POLITICAL CORRESPONDENT Global
News???
Methinks that by now mindless David Akin would have figured out that
just like one of my favourite artists Gordy Lightfoot I am still alive
and kicking. However if you scroll to the bottom of this blog you will
see byway of his Tweets Davey Boy continues to ignore my emails even
after I talk to his lawyer and send them both a Hell of an email. Go
figure why I am not surprised. EH Commissioner Bobby Paulson of the
RCMP?
Do tell does the CBC or the CRTC or CTV or Roger TV or even CPAC or
anyone else recall back in 2015 when I stress tested the ethics of
David Boy Akin and his gal pal Kady Baby O'Malley about voting etc
during and after the election of the 42nd Parliament? I did that years
after I talked to Akin the first in in 2004 when he worked for CTV and
about 2 years or so after Kady had blocked me within Twitter when she
and her snobby buddies such as Jesse Brown, Jian Ghomeshi, Greg Weston
and Evan Solomon used to work for CBC too.
https://globalnews.ca/author/
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more than 22 years.
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career, with a brief foray into public relations.
A perennial candidate is a political candidate who frequently runs for
an elected office and rarely, if ever, wins. The term is the opposite
of an incumbent politician who repeatedly defends their seats
successfully.
Perennial candidates can vary widely in nature. Some are independents
who lack the support of the major political parties in an area or are
members of alternative parties (such as third parties in the United
States). Others may be mainstream candidates who can consistently win
a party's nomination, but because their district is gerrymandered or a
natural safe seat for another party, the candidate likewise never gets
elected (thus these types are often paper candidates). Still others
may typically run in primary elections for a party's nomination and
lose repeatedly. Numerous perennial candidates, although not all, run
with the full knowledge of their inability to win elections and
instead use their candidacy for satire, to advance non-mainstream
political platforms, or to take advantage of benefits afforded
political candidates (such as campaign financing, name recognition,
and television advertising benefits).
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Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2020 09:17:12 -0800
Subject: Re: Fwd: YO Mr Higgs Re My right to MEDICARE and NO MORE
false imprisonment Just as I get another bill from Vitalité I hear
Horizon want the RCMP to arrest me AGAIN TRUE or FALSE??? (Out of
Office )
To: david.raymond.amos333@gmail.
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Subject: Automatic reply: YO Mr Higgs Re My right to MEDICARE and NO
MORE false imprisonment Just as I get another bill from Vitalité I
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Office )
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From: David Amos <david.raymond.amos333@gmail.
Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2020 13:17:08 -0400
Subject: Fwd: YO Mr Higgs Re My right to MEDICARE and NO MORE false
imprisonment Just as I get another bill from Vitalité I hear Horizon
want the RCMP to arrest me AGAIN TRUE or FALSE??? (Out of Office )
To: "jordan.gill" <jordan.gill@cbc.ca>, info@vitalitenb.ca,
info@chautva.com, Annie.Levasseur@chautva.com,
nouvelle@acadienouvelle.com, darsenault@allnovascotia.com,
huras.adam@brunswicknews.com, bajer.erica@brunswicknews.com,
dgnews@brunswicknews.com, restigouche@acadienouvelle.com
< news@chco.tv>, nouvelles@cimt.ca, mike.cameron3@bellmedia.ca,
"steve.murphy" <steve.murphy@ctv.ca>, callum.smith@globalnews.ca,
megan.yamoah@globalnews.ca, silas.brown@globalnews.ca,
travis.fortnum@globalnews.ca, cbcnb@cbc.ca, "Bill.Morneau"
< Bill.Morneau@canada.ca>, "sylvie.gadoury"
< sylvie.gadoury@radio-canada.
< Newsroom@globeandmail.com>, news <news@kingscorecord.com>,
"bruce.northrup" <bruce.northrup@gnb.ca>
Cc: motomaniac333 <motomaniac333@gmail.com>, "Michael.Duheme"
< Michael.Duheme@rcmp-grc.gc.ca
"Serge.Cormier" <Serge.Cormier@parl.gc.ca>, "robert.gauvin"
< robert.gauvin@gnb.ca>, media@horizonnb.ca, Kevhache@nb.sympatico.ca
CHAU-TV
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https://www.cbc.ca/news/
Vitalité CEO stands behind postponed emergency room proposals
Proposals 'were very good, were very sound, were evidence based,' said
Gilles Lanteigne
Jordan Gill · CBC News · Posted: Feb 18, 2020 10:33 AM AT
28 Comments
David Amos
Methinks Gilles Lanteigne and I should finally have a long talk ASAP N'esy Pas?
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: David Amos <david.raymond.amos333@gmail.
Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2020 15:33:02 -0400
Subject: Fwd: YO Mr Higgs Re My right to MEDICARE and NO MORE false
imprisonment Just as I get another bill from Vitalité I hear Horizon
want the RCMP to arrest me AGAIN TRUE or FALSE???
To: perthelkslodge362@gmail.com, "Andrew.Harvey"
< andrew.harvey@gnb.ca>, "bruce.fitch" <bruce.fitch@gnb.ca>,
"bruce.northrup" <bruce.northrup@gnb.ca>, "Macfarlane, Bruce (DH/MS)"
< Bruce.Macfarlane@gnb.ca>
Cc: motomaniac333 <motomaniac333@gmail.com>, "benoit.bourque"
< benoit.bourque@gnb.ca>, "Brian.kenny" <brian.kenny@gnb.ca>
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: David Amos <david.raymond.amos333@gmail.
Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2020 22:41:47 -0400
Subject: Re: YO Mr Higgs Re My right to MEDICARE and NO MORE false
imprisonment Just as I get another bill from Vitalité I hear Horizon
want the RCMP to arrest me AGAIN TRUE or FALSE???
To: "blaine.higgs" <blaine.higgs@gnb.ca>, Gerry.Lowe@gnb.ca,
"Jennifer.duggan" <Jennifer.duggan@rcmp-grc.gc.
< Sandra.lofaro@rcmp-grc.gc.ca>
"Roger.Brown" <Roger.Brown@fredericton.ca>,
bachfoundation@horizonnb.ca, chalmers.foundation@horizonnb.
MelanieDawn.Cameron@horizonnb.
bpendrel@xplornet.com, joyvantassel@hotmail.com,
mrhfoundation@horizonnb.ca, smhfoundation@horizonnb.ca,
1945smha@gmail.com, SJRH.Foundation@horizonnb.ca,
SCCRFoundation@horizonnb.ca, urvhfoundation@horizonnb.ca
Cc: motomaniac333 <motomaniac333@gmail.com>, "rob.moore"
< rob.moore@parl.gc.ca>, robmoorefundy <robmoorefundy@gmail.com>,
votejohnw <votejohnw@gmail.com>
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From: Barbara Massey <Barbara.Massey@rcmp-grc.gc.ca
Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2020 19:30:16 -0500
Subject: Re: YO Mr Higgs Re My right to MEDICARE and NO MORE false
imprisonment Just as I get another bill from Vitalité I hear Horizon
want the RCMP to arrest me AGAIN TRUE or FALSE??? (Out of Office )
To: David Amos <david.raymond.amos333@gmail.
I am out of the office until Tuesday, February 18 and have
intermittent access to Email. For any urgencies, please contact
Jennifer Duggan, General Counsel, at 613 825 2981, or my admin
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>>> David Amos <david.raymond.amos333@gmail.
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: David Amos <david.raymond.amos333@gmail.
Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2020 20:29:13 -0400
Subject: YO Mr Higgs Re My right to MEDICARE and NO MORE false
imprisonment Just as I get another bill from Vitalité I hear Horizon
want the RCMP to arrest me AGAIN TRUE or FALSE???
To: "blaine.higgs" <blaine.higgs@gnb.ca>, dale.morgan@rcmp-grc.gc.ca,
"Mark.Blakely" <Mark.Blakely@rcmp-grc.gc.ca>, "Roger.Brown"
< Roger.Brown@fredericton.ca>, "martin.gaudet"
< martin.gaudet@fredericton.ca>
< Brenda.Lucki@rcmp-grc.gc.ca>, "barbara.massey"
< barbara.massey@rcmp-grc.gc.ca
< barb.whitenect@gnb.ca>
Cc: "Robert. Jones" <Robert.Jones@cbc.ca>, David Amos
< motomaniac333@gmail.com>, "Holland, Mike (LEG)"
< mike.holland@gnb.ca>, lclark@nbpower.com,
colleen.dentremont@
< Bill.Morneau@canada.ca>, premier <premier@ontario.ca>, Office of the
Premier <scott.moe@gov.sk.ca>, premier <premier@gov.ab.ca>, wharrison
< wharrison@nbpower.com>, gthomas <gthomas@nbpower.com>,
Andrea.AndersonMason@gnb.ca, jesse <jesse@viafoura.com>, news
< news@dailygleaner.com>, nben@nben.ca, premier <premier@gnb.ca>,
"dominic.leblanc.c1" <dominic.leblanc.c1@parl.gc.ca
< Dominic.Cardy@gnb.ca>, "jeff.carr" <jeff.carr@gnb.ca>,
oldmaison@yahoo.com, andre <andre@jafaust.com>,
"Ginette.PetitpasTaylor" <Ginette.PetitpasTaylor@parl.
"Sherry.Wilson" <Sherry.Wilson@gnb.ca>, "Ross.Wetmore"
< Ross.Wetmore@gnb.ca>, megan.mitton@gnb.ca, "David.Coon"
< David.Coon@gnb.ca>, "Arseneau, Kevin (LEG)"
< Kevin.A.Arseneau@gnb.ca>, Newsroom <Newsroom@globeandmail.com>,
Nathalie Sturgeon <sturgeon.nathalie@
< mary.wilson@gnb.ca>, "steve.murphy" <steve.murphy@ctv.ca>,
"nick.brown" <nick.brown@gnb.ca>, "robert.mckee"
< robert.mckee@gnb.ca>, "Kevin.Vickers" <Kevin.Vickers@gnb.ca>,
"Tim.RICHARDSON" <Tim.RICHARDSON@gnb.ca>, "Trevor.Holder"
< Trevor.Holder@gnb.ca>, "rick.desaulniers" <rick.desaulniers@gnb.ca>,
"michelle.conroy" <michelle.conroy@gnb.ca>, "Mike.Comeau"
< Mike.Comeau@gnb.ca>, "carl. davies" <carl.davies@gnb.ca>,
"carl.urquhart" <carl.urquhart@gnb.ca>, "Cathy.Rogers"
< Cathy.Rogers@gnb.ca>, "robert.gauvin" <robert.gauvin@gnb.ca>,
"Roger.L.Melanson" <roger.l.melanson@gnb.ca>, "ron.tremblay2"
< ron.tremblay2@gmail.com>, philippe@dunsky.com,
Steven_Reid3@carleton.ca, "darrow.macintyre"
< darrow.macintyre@cbc.ca>, "Chuck.Thompson" <Chuck.Thompson@cbc.ca>,
"sylvie.gadoury" <sylvie.gadoury@radio-canada.
Methinks it must be because of my recent comments in CBC about your
nonsense about emergency Rooms etc N’esy Pas???
Here is just a few that are recorded within my blog etc
https://davidraymondamos3.
Wednesday, 12 February 2020
Deputy premier must decide whether to fall in line on health-care
reforms, Higgs says
https://www.cbc.ca/news/
Doctor shortage forces overnight closure at Sackville ER
More er closures are possible before hours are permanently reduced on March 11
CBC News · Posted: Feb 13, 2020 11:32 AM AT
57 Comments
Commenting is now closed for this story.
David Amos
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Go Figure These are obviously not my Tweets but I did run against the lady
Chisholm Pothier
@chisholmp
·
Feb 10
The plan hasn’t even been announced yet and it’s already being
condemned. We know one thing for sure - we cannot keep delivering
Health the way we have. It isn’t sustainable with an aging population
and needs have changed with demographic change anyway. #nbpoli /1
Quote Tweet
Alaina Lockhart
@AlainaLockhart
· Feb 9
Premier @BlaineHiggs you can’t grow NB by reducing services in rural
areas. NB needs strong rural comms to thrive. The @townofsussex is key
to the region. You need to start thinking about the people impacted in
your quest to improve the bottom line.
https://twitter.com/
David Amos
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Reply to @David Amos: Chisholm Pothier no longer speaks for the
government Correct?
David Amos
Need I say I got a few calls after supper last night and the people
who called could tell I was pretty cranky about something? Trust that
what I heard on CBC this morning did not help my mood any..
David Amos
Methinks the real problem is that Higgy and Flemming can't get enough
bilingual folks who want to work within our Health Care System N'esy
Pas?
David Amos
Reply to @David Amos: Methinks everybody knows since the time of
Trudeau The Elder New Brunswick has been a great place to grow up and
get an education but to find work most of our young ones must head
west somewhere on the far side of Quebec. If the truth hurts so be it
N'esy Pas?
David Amos
On CBC this morning I heard our mindless Health Minister direct folks
to the emergency room in another province. Methinks we have not heard
that last about that N'esy Pas??
Jim Cyr
The people of New Brunswick are some of the silliest people in the
world. It’s been hilarious to see almost all of them completely turn
off their brains and freak out over Higgs’ emergency rooms plan. The
people will now vote out the PCs, of course......just as their silly
media masters tell them to do. And so the NB medical/fiscal/poverty
situation will just get worse and worse and worse than it already is..
You can’t make this kind of stuff up, folks!! Amazing to see.
Mind-numbingly predictable and monotonous. It’s like kubuki theater at
this point.. BAD kubuki theater.....lol
David Amos
Reply to @Jim Cyr: Methinks you may be cluing in as to why I call this
a circus If you can't find fun in the madness then you will go crazy
like they claim I am. Yea I'm crazy alright. Some say I'm crazy like a
fox others say I am just another narcissistic fool Hard telling not
knowing for sure but one thing is for certain I am having fun laughing
at all the people who laughed at me N'esy Pas?
However I can be as crazy as i want to be Higgy should ask the shinks
in the loonie bin of the DECH what they did with the wiretap tape of
the mob that I gave them in 2008 that the RCMP refuse to investigate.
Terry Tibbs
Reply to @Jim Cyr:
Silly? It's just plain "goofy". And once the CONServatives are gone,
having been exchanged for the Liberals, the process will repeat
itself, over and over.
Not one among us able to figure out the only end result is our pocket
remain empty.
Michael Durant
We need to begin serious talks with Doctors Without Boarders
David Amos
Reply to @Michael durant: Try again That one went over like a lead balloon
Ben Haroldson
Reply to @Michael durant: borders
Yves Savoie
Get your popcorn ready!!! The circus has begun....
David Amos
Reply to @Yves Savoie: Wanna trade some of your popcorn for peanuts?
Methinks Trump and everybody knows I have been enjoying the circuses
on both sides of the 49th for many years from the peanut galley.
Trump's minions know that just before July 4th, 2002 within a
statement of Claim against an incredible number of Yankee lawyers I
promised that I would run in the next Election in Canada. I have
remained true to my word and have run 7 times thus far. I joined the
clowns in the centre ring no only to to add my two bits worth and but
to witness the high diving acts up close and personal. Trust that
Harper and Higgy et al know that i dearly love the splash just my kids
and I did at Sea World a long long time ago N'esy Pas?
Ben Haroldson
Reply to @David Amos: Kudos to that, and if you were in my riding you
would get my vote, fed or prov.
Lou Bell
Reply to @Ben Haroldson: That would give him 14 votes
Lou Bell
Reply to @David Amos: " Methinks trumps and everybody knows I have
been enjoy.. .... ...... " !!! You really think trump knows who you
are ?? Seriously ???????????
David Amos
Reply to @Lou Bell: Do you want his lawyers cell number?
David Amos
Reply to @Lou Bell: Better yet do you want me to give them yours so
you can say hey to your Yankee heroes who locked me up in 2004?
David Amos
Reply to @Ben Haroldson: Thanks for the vote of confidence
Ben Haroldson
The Doctors are just helping to move things along. No sense waffling
if things are that dire.
David Amos
Reply to @Ben Haroldson: So you say
Terry Tibbs
What do you *think*? Coincidence, or not?
David Amos
Reply to @Terry Tibbs: Methinks we all know the wicked game by now N'esy Pas?
David Amos
Reply to @David Amos: BTW I was born in the Sackville Hospital in 1952
and it saved my butt 3 years later when I went into a coma for a
month. Methinks for that reason alone I should raise hell to defend
it. Methinks it should be rather obvious that I quite simply don't
care what my cousin Megan Mitton and all her Green Party pals say or
do about it N'esy Pas?
Holly Mossing
Reply to @Terry Tibbs: Not coincidence: ERs and Labour and Delivery
units have been randomly closing for years due to staffing issues.
That’s part of the problem, and this move will be part of the
solution. Government being responsible by listening to the health
authorities.
SarahRose Werner
How is the pool of doctors who provide nighttime ER coverage supplied?
Are these doctors who also work day jobs? Does staffing the ER
overnight make doctors less accessible to patients who seek service
during the day?
Elaine MacDonald
Reply to @SarahRose Werner: Overnight Doctors come from the family
practice doctors; so while some work the ER during the day, those who
work nights will also work office hours during the day before their
night shift starts. After midnight, the ER is emergencies only, so you
will be triaged by a nurse, then depending on the triage, you may or
may not see a doctor.
This Friday, from how it seems, there will be no doctor at all; I'm
not sure if a tirage nurse will assess people however.
SarahRose Werner
Reply to @Elaine MacDonald: Apparently not, because the ER will be
closed entirely. Which makes sense because triage is a sorting
procedure, not a treatment procedure. The word "triage" comes from the
process of sorting battlefield patients into three levels: those will
recover even without treatment, those who will even if treated and
those for whom treatment will make a difference. If there's no one
available to provide treatment, there's no point doing triage.
SarahRose Werner
Reply to @Elaine MacDonald: "Overnight Doctors come from the family
practice doctors; so while some work the ER during the day, those who
work nights will also work office hours during the day before their
night shift starts." - I'm not surprised that doctors who've already
worked during the day are averse to taking overnight shifts as well.
Terry Tibbs
Reply to @SarahRose Werner:
Why would they be "adverse"? If the "stories" told to us are true,
after supper the family practice doctor heads out to the ER for 7pm,
taking paperwork, or reading material, to catch up on.
Right around maybe 10, or 11pm they pull up a bed and have a snooze,
because there "might" be only 5 patients overnight, (this is "the
claim") maybe only one needing his/her attention, so the nurse can
wake him/her up as required. 7am the shift ends, doctor leaves fully
rested,12 hours pay richer.
In some cases, if the doctor lives real close, they go home, coming in
only if needed.
Holly Mossing
Reply to @SarahRose Werner: Yes, it does, which is part of the
problem. These are great shifts for doctors to pick up (quiet and pay
very well), but don’t help the health of local people overall because
the doc may see 5 urgent patients overnight but not be able to work at
see *25* the next day. That’s a big capacity issue.
David Amos
Reply to @Elaine MacDonald: Its a pity that nobody in Sackville would
listen to me this week
David Amos
Reply to @David Amos: However I will disclose that the Office of the
CEO of one of our Health Care systems called me a few days before
Flemming's big announcement in order to reach an understanding as to
why I am going to file a lawsuitin order to get my Medicare Card and
other things. I have heard nothing but crickets since. Methinks they
think I am bluffing Others know I am not N'esy Pas?
Ian Scott
It would help if the management would outline what it takes to have an
ER open 24/7. I do not think a lot of the public has a clue as to what
it means to open an ER to all comers and the staff then needed to
cover all reasonable issues. You cannot confuse the public and
ambulances etc where to go each night if staffing gets short. It makes
it worse. If you staff with general practice then they must have
extended training in ER issues. Otherwise the next thing is the
complaint that things were not done . Then comes the standard
equipment needed for stroke trauma etc, like CT scanners etc. Even
appendectomy becomes an issue without ultrasound or CT. Its really a
standard of practice and it requires a service level that is very
difficult to reach in small centers. Otherwise you just end up
shipping people out again and delaying diagnostics and the right
treatment, some of which are time related. Would you want surgery for
something that is not needed? Or have blood thinners given when you
actually have a brain bleed etc.
SarahRose Werner
Reply to @Ian Scott: One thing I've been reading in comments on
stories on this issue is that people mention being "stabilized" in a
smaller centre before being shipped out to a larger one. Not being a
medical professional, I don't know what resources and skills are
required to "stabilize" patients. Is this something that could be
achieved in some other way, for example, by expanded and improved
paramedic service?
Ian Scott
Reply to @SarahRose Werner: That is the care in bigger centers, well
trained paramedics to stabilize at site and transport. Still most
stroke issues need CT before treatment. Heart issues may be
"stabilized" with drugs etc but transfer really is key for assessment
. Trauma , (major) , needs a trauma center. I am not sure how many
paramedics can intubate in the field at this point in NB but even an
acute asthma or allergic issue might need it. Its what has been
suggested. The numbers are small in many of these towns.Even having
those staff may prove difficult down the road. Helicopter Air
ambulance is another issue, complex and expensive but out there.
Freddy is a trauma center for a certain level , but even it only has a
snowfield for landing.
SarahRose Werner
Reply to @Ian Scott: Okay, so if someone has a heart attack, acute
allergic attack, stroke, etc. in Sussex in the middle of the night and
that person needs some sort of immediate treatment to tide them over
until they get to the Saint John Regional, how is that provided? To
me, that's the crux of the issue here. I agree that 24/7 ER service in
all locations is not the answer. What are other possible answers?
Elaine MacDonald
Reply to @SarahRose Werner: In that situation, the patient will be
sent on to Saint John/Moncton (not sure which hospital in regards to
Sussex) regardless if they are stable or not.
SarahRose Werner
Reply to @Elaine MacDonald: Are there increased to the patient if
they're sent on without stabilization? What are those? What will be
done to ameliorate those risks?
Holly Mossing
Reply to @SarahRose Werner: There is a great study on this that showed
that cardiac patients who were “stabilized” at a small center then
transferred had worse outcomes and a higher death rate than patients
who bypassed their local ER and were brought directly to where they
could receive specialized care, for example. (
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/
paramedics need to be normalized in New Brunswick and supported to
make health care as safe as possible. I’ve never voted Conservative
but in this case Higgs’ government is doing absolutely the responsible
thing. We need to make sure they follow through with increased daytime
services.
David Amos
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Reply to @SarahRose Werner: Methinks you must have read some of my
comments N'esy Pas?
David Amos
Reply to @SarahRose Werner: Hmmmm
Donald Smith
There has to be a reason, or reasons why NB Cannot attract them ???????
Mack Leigh
Reply to @Donald Smith: There definitely is however no one is allowed
to talk about the " Elephant " in the room.
Ian Scott
Reply to @Mack Leigh: Major centers are not really having that issue
except for OR constraints for time for some specialists and no beds
because of acute care bed blockers. Bathurst has excellent docs as
does Edmonston and they are better at language issues than the south.
Freddy and SJ and the Moncton centers also attract excellent staff.
Its in between that is the issue , and medicine has changed , as have
expectations and the standard of care. An ER is just that , all
comers, not a clinic. One has to meet rigid standards of care. And
those are hard to meet in 4k population or less towns and villages.
Aging issues are one of the biggest issues and its being met poorly.
Billing numbers are a thing of the past so not in the question. There
could certainly be some concern I suppose of young docs worried about
potential language issues but low.
Elaine MacDonald
Reply to @Ian Scott: What people seem to forget is that Sackville,
while a population of 5000 including Mt. Allison students, also
services Dorchester, Memramcook, Port Elgin, Murry Corner as well as
we get patients from the Cape like Cocagne, Cap Pele, Shediac. We've
had people from Moncton and surrounding area come to our hospital in
increasing numbers over the past two years, even as far as Anagance,
AND we get people from NS as well like River Hebert and Amherst. It
isn't just NB, but NS we serve too.
So no, we don't have a 4K or less patient possibility, we have much
more than that.
SarahRose Werner
Reply to @Elaine MacDonald: Then maybe NS would like to contribute
some money to pay for overnight service at the ER.
Terry Tibbs
Reply to @SarahRose Werner:
Don't you believe for a moment they don't.
Show an out of province medicare card at a NB hospital and the eyes
light up like a one armed bandit hitting a jackpot.
David Amos
Reply to @Donald Smith: Everybody knows the reasons
David Amos
Reply to @Mack Leigh: I do
Brian Robertson
This is just the logical next step in the deterioration of healthcare
under the thumb of a government administered monopoly.
When you have no money and no Doctors and costs are still increasing
because all your workers are members of public service unions that can
hold the public hostage; what else can happen?
The viability of single payer healthcare is based on the metering of
services in order to control costs.
Public needs and individual abilities to pay simply do not factor into
the equation.
Terry Tibbs
Reply to @Brian Robertson:
Hold the phone, Just STOP, and *think* for a moment, you have been
misdirected just like you are supposed to be.
EVERY other province, or territory, has "evil" union belonging health
professionals, this is not a NB only "thing".
We are supposed to be short of 100, maybe 200, health professionals
needed per capita (a different number pops out whenever those in
charge are asked).
We know the pay and benefits in NB are "short" hence the shortage of
health professionals.
Yet the cost of healthcare is higher (per capita) than every other
province, or territory.
So, either EVERYONE in NB is constantly sick, or the extra cost is
somewhere else other than with the health professionals.
I respectfully *think* you should be looking elsewhere.
Brian Robertson
Reply to @Terry Tibbs:
All Provincial healthcare systems are following the same pattern
decline; except possibly Quebec who enjoys a lucrative infusion of
Federal transfer payments annually. New Brunswick just seems to be
ahead of the curve in terms of declining services and wait times.
There is more than enough blame to go around for this spiral trip
around the drain. Yes, and that includes your healthcare
professionals.
David Amos
Reply to @Terry Tibbs: Methinks he knows you are correct Quebec is a
UNILINGUAL Province Hence its costs are less N'esy Pas?
John Pokiok
There you have it no Doctor wants to live in rural setting it's a hard
core fact.
Ian Scott
Reply to @John Pokiok: Thats not really true. Being an ER doc is a
different fish from a GP office setting. It requires an extension of
training.If you open an ER then you have every issue from Intubation
to trauma to poisoning, heart attack stroke, delivery etc. ER trained
docs are a separate entity . You are asking a GP to be everything and
have little backup and extended hours and then have a practice in the
community. It takes a serious block of staff to do this around the
clock. And to have surgical backups for obstetrics etc.And to then
live in communities with 4K people is not easy.
David Amos
Reply to @John Pokiok: Many do when they retire
Elaine MacDonald
Reply to @John Pokiok: And yet we just had *2* doctors from US
background move to Sackville to practice. It's not a matter of no
doctors wanting to move to rural areas.
David Amos
Reply to @Elaine MacDonald: Maybe they are willing to cover the midnight shift
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>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: David Amos motomaniac333@gmail.com
>> Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2017 09:32:09 -0400
>> Subject: Attn Integrity Commissioner Alexandre Deschênes, Q.C.,
>> To: coi@gnb.ca
>> Cc: david.raymond.amos@gmail.com
>>
>> Good Day Sir
>>
>> After I heard you speak on CBC I called your office again and managed
>> to speak to one of your staff for the first time
>>
>> Please find attached the documents I promised to send to the lady who
>> answered the phone this morning. Please notice that not after the Sgt
>> at Arms took the documents destined to your office his pal Tanker
>> Malley barred me in writing with an "English" only document.
>>
>> These are the hearings and the dockets in Federal Court that I
>> suggested that you study closely.
>>
>> This is the docket in Federal Court
>>
>> http://cas-cdc-www02.cas-satj.
>>
>> These are digital recordings of the last three hearings
>>
>> Dec 14th https://archive.org/details/
>>
>> January 11th, 2016 https://archive.org/details/
>>
>> April 3rd, 2017
>>
>> https://archive.org/details/
>>
>>
>> This is the docket in the Federal Court of Appeal
>>
>> http://cas-cdc-www02.cas-satj.
>>
>>
>> The only hearing thus far
>>
>> May 24th, 2017
>>
>> https://archive.org/details/
>>
>>
>> This Judge understnds the meaning of the word Integrity
>>
>> Date: 20151223
>>
>> Docket: T-1557-15
>>
>> Fredericton, New Brunswick, December 23, 2015
>>
>> PRESENT: The Honourable Mr. Justice Bell
>>
>> BETWEEN:
>>
>> DAVID RAYMOND AMOS
>>
>> Plaintiff
>>
>> and
>>
>> HER MAJESTY THE QUEEN
>>
>> Defendant
>>
>> ORDER
>>
>> (Delivered orally from the Bench in Fredericton, New Brunswick, on
>> December 14, 2015)
>>
>> The Plaintiff seeks an appeal de novo, by way of motion pursuant to
>> the Federal Courts Rules (SOR/98-106), from an Order made on November
>> 12, 2015, in which Prothonotary Morneau struck the Statement of Claim
>> in its entirety.
>>
>> At the outset of the hearing, the Plaintiff brought to my attention a
>> letter dated September 10, 2004, which he sent to me, in my then
>> capacity as Past President of the New Brunswick Branch of the Canadian
>> Bar Association, and the then President of the Branch, Kathleen Quigg,
>> (now a Justice of the New Brunswick Court of Appeal). In that letter
>> he stated:
>>
>> As for your past President, Mr. Bell, may I suggest that you check the
>> work of Frank McKenna before I sue your entire law firm including you.
>> You are your brother’s keeper.
>>
>> Frank McKenna is the former Premier of New Brunswick and a former
>> colleague of mine at the law firm of McInnes Cooper. In addition to
>> expressing an intention to sue me, the Plaintiff refers to a number of
>> people in his Motion Record who he appears to contend may be witnesses
>> or potential parties to be added. Those individuals who are known to
>> me personally, include, but are not limited to the former Prime
>> Minister of Canada, The Right Honourable Stephen Harper; former
>> Attorney General of Canada and now a Justice of the Manitoba Court of
>> Queen’s Bench, Vic Toews; former member of Parliament Rob Moore;
>> former Director of Policing Services, the late Grant Garneau; former
>> Chief of the Fredericton Police Force, Barry McKnight; former Staff
>> Sergeant Danny Copp; my former colleagues on the New Brunswick Court
>> of Appeal, Justices Bradley V. Green and Kathleen Quigg, and, retired
>> Assistant Commissioner Wayne Lang of the Royal Canadian Mounted
>> Police.
>>
>> In the circumstances, given the threat in 2004 to sue me in my
>> personal capacity and my past and present relationship with many
>> potential witnesses and/or potential parties to the litigation, I am
>> of the view there would be a reasonable apprehension of bias should I
>> hear this motion. See Justice de Grandpré’s dissenting judgment in
>> Committee for Justice and Liberty et al v National Energy Board et al,
>> [1978] 1 SCR 369 at p 394 for the applicable test regarding
>> allegations of bias. In the circumstances, although neither party has
>> requested I recuse myself, I consider it appropriate that I do so.
>>
>>
>> AS A RESULT OF MY RECUSAL, THIS COURT ORDERS that the Administrator of
>> the Court schedule another date for the hearing of the motion. There
>> is no order as to costs.
>>
>> “B. Richard Bell”
>> Judge
>>
>>
>> Below after the CBC article about your concerns (I made one comment
>> already) you will find the text of just two of many emails I had sent
>> to your office over the years since I first visited it in 2006.
>>
>> I noticed that on July 30, 2009, he was appointed to the the Court
>> Martial Appeal Court of Canada Perhaps you should scroll to the
>> bottom of this email ASAP and read the entire Paragraph 83 of my
>> lawsuit now before the Federal Court of Canada?
>>
>> "FYI This is the text of the lawsuit that should interest Trudeau the
>> most
>>
>>
>> ---------- Original message ----------
>> From: justin.trudeau.a1@parl.gc.ca
>> Date: Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 8:18 PM
>> Subject: Réponse automatique : RE My complaint against the CROWN in
>> Federal Court Attn David Hansen and Peter MacKay If you planning to
>> submit a motion for a publication ban on my complaint trust that you
>> dudes are way past too late
>> To: david.raymond.amos@gmail.com
>>
>> Veuillez noter que j'ai changé de courriel. Vous pouvez me rejoindre à
>> lalanthier@hotmail.com
>>
>> Pour rejoindre le bureau de M. Trudeau veuillez envoyer un courriel à
>> tommy.desfosses@parl.gc.ca
>>
>> Please note that I changed email address, you can reach me at
>> lalanthier@hotmail.com
>>
>> To reach the office of Mr. Trudeau please send an email to
>> tommy.desfosses@parl.gc.ca
>>
>> Thank you,
>>
>> Merci ,
>>
>>
>> http://davidraymondamos3.
>>
>>
>> 83. The Plaintiff states that now that Canada is involved in more war
>> in Iraq again it did not serve Canadian interests and reputation to
>> allow Barry Winters to publish the following words three times over
>> five years after he began his bragging:
>>
>> January 13, 2015
>> This Is Just AS Relevant Now As When I wrote It During The Debate
>>
>> December 8, 2014
>> Why Canada Stood Tall!
>>
>> Friday, October 3, 2014
>> Little David Amos’ “True History Of War” Canadian Airstrikes And
>> Stupid Justin Trudeau
>>
>> Canada’s and Canadians free ride is over. Canada can no longer hide
>> behind Amerka’s and NATO’s skirts.
>>
>> When I was still in Canadian Forces then Prime Minister Jean Chretien
>> actually committed the Canadian Army to deploy in the second campaign
>> in Iraq, the Coalition of the Willing. This was against or contrary to
>> the wisdom or advice of those of us Canadian officers that were
>> involved in the initial planning phases of that operation. There were
>> significant concern in our planning cell, and NDHQ about of the dearth
>> of concern for operational guidance, direction, and forces for
>> operations after the initial occupation of Iraq. At the “last minute”
>> Prime Minister Chretien and the Liberal government changed its mind.
>> The Canadian government told our amerkan cousins that we would not
>> deploy combat troops for the Iraq campaign, but would deploy a
>> Canadian Battle Group to Afghanistan, enabling our amerkan cousins to
>> redeploy troops from there to Iraq. The PMO’s thinking that it was
>> less costly to deploy Canadian Forces to Afghanistan than Iraq. But
>> alas no one seems to remind the Liberals of Prime Minister Chretien’s
>> then grossly incorrect assumption. Notwithstanding Jean Chretien’s
>> incompetence and stupidity, the Canadian Army was heroic,
>> professional, punched well above it’s weight, and the PPCLI Battle
>> Group, is credited with “saving Afghanistan” during the Panjway
>> campaign of 2006.
>>
>> What Justin Trudeau and the Liberals don’t tell you now, is that then
>> Liberal Prime Minister Jean Chretien committed, and deployed the
>> Canadian army to Canada’s longest “war” without the advice, consent,
>> support, or vote of the Canadian Parliament.
>>
>> What David Amos and the rest of the ignorant, uneducated, and babbling
>> chattering classes are too addled to understand is the deployment of
>> less than 75 special operations troops, and what is known by planners
>> as a “six pac cell” of fighter aircraft is NOT the same as a
>> deployment of a Battle Group, nor a “war” make.
>>
>> The Canadian Government or The Crown unlike our amerkan cousins have
>> the “constitutional authority” to commit the Canadian nation to war.
>> That has been recently clearly articulated to the Canadian public by
>> constitutional scholar Phillippe Legasse. What Parliament can do is
>> remove “confidence” in The Crown’s Government in a “vote of
>> non-confidence.” That could not happen to the Chretien Government
>> regarding deployment to Afghanistan, and it won’t happen in this
>> instance with the conservative majority in The Commons regarding a
>> limited Canadian deployment to the Middle East.
>>
>> President George Bush was quite correct after 911 and the terror
>> attacks in New York; that the Taliban “occupied” and “failed state”
>> Afghanistan was the source of logistical support, command and control,
>> and training for the Al Quaeda war of terror against the world. The
>> initial defeat, and removal from control of Afghanistan was vital and
>>
>> P.S. Whereas this CBC article is about your opinion of the actions of
>> the latest Minister Of Health trust that Mr Boudreau and the CBC have
>> had my files for many years and the last thing they are is ethical.
>> Ask his friends Mr Murphy and the RCMP if you don't believe me.
>>
>> Subject:
>> Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 12:02:35 -0400
>> From: "Murphy, Michael B. \(DH/MS\)" MichaelB.Murphy@gnb.ca
>> To: motomaniac_02186@yahoo.com
>>
>> January 30, 2007
>>
>> WITHOUT PREJUDICE
>>
>> Mr. David Amos
>>
>> Dear Mr. Amos:
>>
>> This will acknowledge receipt of a copy of your e-mail of December 29,
>> 2006 to Corporal Warren McBeath of the RCMP.
>>
>> Because of the nature of the allegations made in your message, I have
>> taken the measure of forwarding a copy to Assistant Commissioner Steve
>> Graham of the RCMP “J” Division in Fredericton.
>>
>> Sincerely,
>>
>> Honourable Michael B. Murphy
>> Minister of Health
>>
>> CM/cb
>>
>>
>> Warren McBeath warren.mcbeath@rcmp-grc.gc.ca wrote:
>>
>> Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 17:34:53 -0500
>> From: "Warren McBeath" warren.mcbeath@rcmp-grc.gc.ca
>> To: kilgoursite@ca.inter.net, MichaelB.Murphy@gnb.ca,
>> nada.sarkis@gnb.ca, wally.stiles@gnb.ca, dwatch@web.net,
>> motomaniac_02186@yahoo.com
>> CC: ottawa@chuckstrahl.com, riding@chuckstrahl.com,John.
>> Oda.B@parl.gc.ca,"Bev BUSSON" bev.busson@rcmp-grc.gc.ca,
>> "Paul Dube" PAUL.DUBE@rcmp-grc.gc.ca
>> Subject: Re: Remember me Kilgour? Landslide Annie McLellan has
>> forgotten me but the crooks within the RCMP have not
>>
>> Dear Mr. Amos,
>>
>> Thank you for your follow up e-mail to me today. I was on days off
>> over the holidays and returned to work this evening. Rest assured I
>> was not ignoring or procrastinating to respond to your concerns.
>>
>> As your attachment sent today refers from Premier Graham, our position
>> is clear on your dead calf issue: Our forensic labs do not process
>> testing on animals in cases such as yours, they are referred to the
>> Atlantic Veterinary College in Charlottetown who can provide these
>> services. If you do not choose to utilize their expertise in this
>> instance, then that is your decision and nothing more can be done.
>>
>> As for your other concerns regarding the US Government, false
>> imprisonment and Federal Court Dates in the US, etc... it is clear
>> that Federal authorities are aware of your concerns both in Canada
>> the US. These issues do not fall into the purvue of Detachment
>> and policing in Petitcodiac, NB.
>>
>> It was indeed an interesting and informative conversation we had on
>> December 23rd, and I wish you well in all of your future endeavors.
>>
>> Sincerely,
>>
>> Warren McBeath, Cpl.
>> GRC Caledonia RCMP
>> Traffic Services NCO
>> Ph: (506) 387-2222
>> Fax: (506) 387-4622
>> E-mail warren.mcbeath@rcmp-grc.gc.ca
>>
>>
>>
>> Alexandre Deschênes, Q.C.,
>> Office of the Integrity Commissioner
>> Edgecombe House, 736 King Street
>> Fredericton, N.B. CANADA E3B 5H1
>> tel.: 506-457-7890
>> fax: 506-444-5224
>> e-mail:coi@gnb.ca
>>
>
>
> On 8/3/17, David Amos <motomaniac333@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> If want something very serious to download and laugh at as well Please
>> Enjoy and share real wiretap tapes of the mob
>>
>> http://thedavidamosrant.
>> ilian.html
>>
>>> http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/
>>>
>>> As the CBC etc yap about Yankee wiretaps and whistleblowers I must
>>> ask them the obvious question AIN'T THEY FORGETTING SOMETHING????
>>>
>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?
>>>
>>> What the hell does the media think my Yankee lawyer served upon the
>>> USDOJ right after I ran for and seat in the 39th Parliament baseball
>>> cards?
>>>
>>> http://archive.org/details/
>>> 6
>>>
>>> http://davidamos.blogspot.ca/
>>>
>>> http://www.archive.org/
>>>
>>> http://archive.org/details/
>>>
>>> FEDERAL EXPRES February 7, 2006
>>> Senator Arlen Specter
>>> United States Senate
>>> Committee on the Judiciary
>>> 224 Dirksen Senate Office Building
>>> Washington, DC 20510
>>>
>>> Dear Mr. Specter:
>>>
>>> I have been asked to forward the enclosed tapes to you from a man
>>> named, David Amos, a Canadian citizen, in connection with the matters
>>> raised in the attached letter.
>>>
>>> Mr. Amos has represented to me that these are illegal FBI wire tap
>>> tapes.
>>>
>>> I believe Mr. Amos has been in contact with you about this previously.
>>>
>>> Very truly yours,
>>> Barry A. Bachrach
>>> Direct telephone: (508) 926-3403
>>> Direct facsimile: (508) 929-3003
>>> Email: bbachrach@bowditch.com
>>>
>>
>
> http://davidraymondamos3.
>
>
> Sunday, 19 November 2017
> Federal Court of Appeal Finally Makes The BIG Decision And Publishes
> It Now The Crooks Cannot Take Back Ticket To Try Put My Matter Before
> The Supreme Court
>
> https://decisions.fct-cf.gc.
>
>
> Federal Court of Appeal Decisions
>
> Amos v. Canada
> Court (s) Database
>
> Federal Court of Appeal Decisions
> Date
>
> 2017-10-30
> Neutral citation
>
> 2017 FCA 213
> File numbers
>
> A-48-16
> Date: 20171030
>
> Docket: A-48-16
> Citation: 2017 FCA 213
> CORAM:
>
> WEBB J.A.
> NEAR J.A.
> GLEASON J.A.
>
>
> BETWEEN:
> DAVID RAYMOND AMOS
> Respondent on the cross-appeal
> (and formally Appellant)
> and
> HER MAJESTY THE QUEEN
> Appellant on the cross-appeal
> (and formerly Respondent)
> Heard at Fredericton, New Brunswick, on May 24, 2017.
> Judgment delivered at Ottawa, Ontario, on October 30, 2017.
> REASONS FOR JUDGMENT BY:
>
> THE COURT
>
>
>
> Date: 20171030
>
> Docket: A-48-16
> Citation: 2017 FCA 213
> CORAM:
>
> WEBB J.A.
> NEAR J.A.
> GLEASON J.A.
>
>
> BETWEEN:
> DAVID RAYMOND AMOS
> Respondent on the cross-appeal
> (and formally Appellant)
> and
> HER MAJESTY THE QUEEN
> Appellant on the cross-appeal
> (and formerly Respondent)
> REASONS FOR JUDGMENT BY THE COURT
>
> I. Introduction
>
> [1] On September 16, 2015, David Raymond Amos (Mr. Amos)
> filed a 53-page Statement of Claim (the Claim) in Federal Court
> against Her Majesty the Queen (the Crown). Mr. Amos claims $11 million
> in damages and a public apology from the Prime Minister and Provincial
> Premiers for being illegally barred from accessing parliamentary
> properties and seeks a declaration from the Minister of Public Safety
> that the Canadian Government will no longer allow the Royal Canadian
> Mounted Police (RCMP) and Canadian Forces to harass him and his clan
> (Claim at para. 96).
>
> [2] On November 12, 2015 (Docket T-1557-15), by way of a
> motion brought by the Crown, a prothonotary of the Federal Court (the
> Prothonotary) struck the Claim in its entirety, without leave to
> amend, on the basis that it was plain and obvious that the Claim
> disclosed no reasonable claim, the Claim was fundamentally vexatious,
> and the Claim could not be salvaged by way of further amendment (the
> Prothontary’s Order).
>
>
> [3] On January 25, 2016 (2016 FC 93), by way of Mr.
> Amos’ appeal from the Prothonotary’s Order, a judge of the Federal
> Court (the Judge), reviewing the matter de novo, struck all of Mr.
> Amos’ claims for relief with the exception of the claim for damages
> for being barred by the RCMP from the New Brunswick legislature in
> 2004 (the Federal Court Judgment).
>
>
> [4] Mr. Amos appealed and the Crown cross-appealed the
> Federal Court Judgment. Further to the issuance of a Notice of Status
> Review, Mr. Amos’ appeal was dismissed for delay on December 19, 2016.
> As such, the only matter before this Court is the Crown’s
> cross-appeal.
>
>
> II. Preliminary Matter
>
> [5] Mr. Amos, in his memorandum of fact and law in
> relation to the cross-appeal that was filed with this Court on March
> 6, 2017, indicated that several judges of this Court, including two of
> the judges of this panel, had a conflict of interest in this appeal.
> This was the first time that he identified the judges whom he believed
> had a conflict of interest in a document that was filed with this
> Court. In his notice of appeal he had alluded to a conflict with
> several judges but did not name those judges.
>
> [6] Mr. Amos was of the view that he did not have to
> identify the judges in any document filed with this Court because he
> had identified the judges in various documents that had been filed
> with the Federal Court. In his view the Federal Court and the Federal
> Court of Appeal are the same court and therefore any document filed in
> the Federal Court would be filed in this Court. This view is based on
> subsections 5(4) and 5.1(4) of the Federal Courts Act, R.S.C., 1985,
> c. F-7:
>
>
> 5(4) Every judge of the Federal Court is, by virtue of his or her
> office, a judge of the Federal Court of Appeal and has all the
> jurisdiction, power and authority of a judge of the Federal Court of
> Appeal.
> […]
>
> 5(4) Les juges de la Cour fédérale sont d’office juges de la Cour
> d’appel fédérale et ont la même compétence et les mêmes pouvoirs que
> les juges de la Cour d’appel fédérale.
> […]
> 5.1(4) Every judge of the Federal Court of Appeal is, by virtue of
> that office, a judge of the Federal Court and has all the
> jurisdiction, power and authority of a judge of the Federal Court.
>
> 5.1(4) Les juges de la Cour d’appel fédérale sont d’office juges de la
> Cour fédérale et ont la même compétence et les mêmes pouvoirs que les
> juges de la Cour fédérale.
>
>
> [7] However, these subsections only provide that the
> judges of the Federal Court are also judges of this Court (and vice
> versa). It does not mean that there is only one court. If the Federal
> Court and this Court were one Court, there would be no need for this
> section.
> [8] Sections 3 and 4 of the Federal Courts Act provide that:
> 3 The division of the Federal Court of Canada called the Federal Court
> — Appeal Division is continued under the name “Federal Court of
> Appeal” in English and “Cour d’appel fédérale” in French. It is
> continued as an additional court of law, equity and admiralty in and
> for Canada, for the better administration of the laws of Canada and as
> a superior court of record having civil and criminal jurisdiction.
>
> 3 La Section d’appel, aussi appelée la Cour d’appel ou la Cour d’appel
> fédérale, est maintenue et dénommée « Cour d’appel fédérale » en
> français et « Federal Court of Appeal » en anglais. Elle est maintenue
> à titre de tribunal additionnel de droit, d’equity et d’amirauté du
> Canada, propre à améliorer l’application du droit canadien, et
> continue d’être une cour supérieure d’archives ayant compétence en
> matière civile et pénale.
> 4 The division of the Federal Court of Canada called the Federal Court
> — Trial Division is continued under the name “Federal Court” in
> English and “Cour fédérale” in French. It is continued as an
> additional court of law, equity and admiralty in and for Canada, for
> the better administration of the laws of Canada and as a superior
> court of record having civil and criminal jurisdiction.
>
> 4 La section de la Cour fédérale du Canada, appelée la Section de
> première instance de la Cour fédérale, est maintenue et dénommée «
> Cour fédérale » en français et « Federal Court » en anglais. Elle est
> maintenue à titre de tribunal additionnel de droit, d’equity et
> d’amirauté du Canada, propre à améliorer l’application du droit
> canadien, et continue d’être une cour supérieure d’archives ayant
> compétence en matière civile et pénale.
>
>
> [9] Sections 3 and 4 of the Federal Courts Act create
> two separate courts – this Court (section 3) and the Federal Court
> (section 4). If, as Mr. Amos suggests, documents filed in the Federal
> Court were automatically also filed in this Court, then there would no
> need for the parties to prepare and file appeal books as required by
> Rules 343 to 345 of the Federal Courts Rules, SOR/98-106 in relation
> to any appeal from a decision of the Federal Court. The requirement to
> file an appeal book with this Court in relation to an appeal from a
> decision of the Federal Court makes it clear that the only documents
> that will be before this Court are the documents that are part of that
> appeal book.
>
>
> [10] Therefore, the memorandum of fact and law filed on
> March 6, 2017 is the first document, filed with this Court, in which
> Mr. Amos identified the particular judges that he submits have a
> conflict in any matter related to him.
>
>
> [11] On April 3, 2017, Mr. Amos attempted to bring a motion
> before the Federal Court seeking an order “affirming or denying the
> conflict of interest he has” with a number of judges of the Federal
> Court. A judge of the Federal Court issued a direction noting that if
> Mr. Amos was seeking this order in relation to judges of the Federal
> Court of Appeal, it was beyond the jurisdiction of the Federal Court.
> Mr. Amos raised the Federal Court motion at the hearing of this
> cross-appeal. The Federal Court motion is not a motion before this
> Court and, as such, the submissions filed before the Federal Court
> will not be entertained. As well, since this was a motion brought
> before the Federal Court (and not this Court), any documents filed in
> relation to that motion are not part of the record of this Court.
>
>
> [12] During the hearing of the appeal Mr. Amos alleged that
> the third member of this panel also had a conflict of interest and
> submitted some documents that, in his view, supported his claim of a
> conflict. Mr. Amos, following the hearing of his appeal, was also
> afforded the opportunity to provide a brief summary of the conflict
> that he was alleging and to file additional documents that, in his
> view, supported his allegations. Mr. Amos submitted several pages of
> documents in relation to the alleged conflicts. He organized the
> documents by submitting a copy of the biography of the particular
> judge and then, immediately following that biography, by including
> copies of the documents that, in his view, supported his claim that
> such judge had a conflict.
>
>
> [13] The nature of the alleged conflict of Justice Webb is
> that before he was appointed as a Judge of the Tax Court of Canada in
> 2006, he was a partner with the law firm Patterson Law, and before
> that with Patterson Palmer in Nova Scotia. Mr. Amos submitted that he
> had a number of disputes with Patterson Palmer and Patterson Law and
> therefore Justice Webb has a conflict simply because he was a partner
> of these firms. Mr. Amos is not alleging that Justice Webb was
> personally involved in or had any knowledge of any matter in which Mr.
> Amos was involved with Justice Webb’s former law firm – only that he
> was a member of such firm.
>
>
> [14] During his oral submissions at the hearing of his
> appeal Mr. Amos, in relation to the alleged conflict for Justice Webb,
> focused on dealings between himself and a particular lawyer at
> Patterson Law. However, none of the documents submitted by Mr. Amos at
> the hearing or subsequently related to any dealings with this
> particular lawyer nor is it clear when Mr. Amos was dealing with this
> lawyer. In particular, it is far from clear whether such dealings were
> after the time that Justice Webb was appointed as a Judge of the Tax
> Court of Canada over 10 years ago.
>
>
> [15] The documents that he submitted in relation to the
> alleged conflict for Justice Webb largely relate to dealings between
> Byron Prior and the St. John’s Newfoundland and Labrador office of
> Patterson Palmer, which is not in the same province where Justice Webb
> practiced law. The only document that indicates any dealing between
> Mr. Amos and Patterson Palmer is a copy of an affidavit of Stephen May
> who was a partner in the St. John’s NL office of Patterson Palmer. The
> affidavit is dated January 24, 2005 and refers to a number of e-mails
> that were sent by Mr. Amos to Stephen May. Mr. Amos also included a
> letter that is addressed to four individuals, one of whom is John
> Crosbie who was counsel to the St. John’s NL office of Patterson
> Palmer. The letter is dated September 2, 2004 and is addressed to
> “John Crosbie, c/o Greg G. Byrne, Suite 502, 570 Queen Street,
> Fredericton, NB E3B 5E3”. In this letter Mr. Amos alludes to a
> possible lawsuit against Patterson Palmer.
> [16] Mr. Amos’ position is that simply because Justice Webb
> was a lawyer with Patterson Palmer, he now has a conflict. In Wewaykum
> Indian Band v. Her Majesty the Queen, 2003 SCC 45, [2003] 2 S.C.R.
> 259, the Supreme Court of Canada noted that disqualification of a
> judge is to be determined based on whether there is a reasonable
> apprehension of bias:
> 60 In Canadian law, one standard has now emerged as the
> criterion for disqualification. The criterion, as expressed by de
> Grandpré J. in Committee for Justice and Liberty v. National Energy
> Board, …[[1978] 1 S.C.R. 369, 68 D.L.R. (3d) 716], at p. 394, is the
> reasonable apprehension of bias:
> … the apprehension of bias must be a reasonable one, held by
> reasonable and right minded persons, applying themselves to the
> question and obtaining thereon the required information. In the words
> of the Court of Appeal, that test is "what would an informed person,
> viewing the matter realistically and practically -- and having thought
> the matter through -- conclude. Would he think that it is more likely
> than not that [the decision-maker], whether consciously or
> unconsciously, would not decide fairly."
>
> [17] The issue to be determined is whether an informed
> person, viewing the matter realistically and practically, and having
> thought the matter through, would conclude that Mr. Amos’ allegations
> give rise to a reasonable apprehension of bias. As this Court has
> previously remarked, “there is a strong presumption that judges will
> administer justice impartially” and this presumption will not be
> rebutted in the absence of “convincing evidence” of bias (Collins v.
> Canada, 2011 FCA 140 at para. 7, [2011] 4 C.T.C. 157 [Collins]. See
> also R. v. S. (R.D.), [1997] 3 S.C.R. 484 at para. 32, 151 D.L.R.
> (4th) 193).
>
> [18] The Ontario Court of Appeal in Rando Drugs Ltd. v.
> Scott, 2007 ONCA 553, 86 O.R. (3d) 653 (leave to appeal to the Supreme
> Court of Canada refused, 32285 (August 1, 2007)), addressed the
> particular issue of whether a judge is disqualified from hearing a
> case simply because he had been a member of a law firm that was
> involved in the litigation that was now before that judge. The Ontario
> Court of Appeal determined that the judge was not disqualified if the
> judge had no involvement with the person or the matter when he was a
> lawyer. The Ontario Court of Appeal also explained that the rules for
> determining whether a judge is disqualified are different from the
> rules to determine whether a lawyer has a conflict:
> 27 Thus, disqualification is not the natural corollary to a
> finding that a trial judge has had some involvement in a case over
> which he or she is now presiding. Where the judge had no involvement,
> as here, it cannot be said that the judge is disqualified.
>
>
> 28 The point can rightly be made that had Mr. Patterson been
> asked to represent the appellant as counsel before his appointment to
> the bench, the conflict rules would likely have prevented him from
> taking the case because his firm had formerly represented one of the
> defendants in the case. Thus, it is argued how is it that as a trial
> judge Patterson J. can hear the case? This issue was considered by the
> Court of Appeal (Civil Division) in Locabail (U.K.) Ltd. v. Bayfield
> Properties Ltd., [2000] Q.B. 451. The court held, at para. 58, that
> there is no inflexible rule governing the disqualification of a judge
> and that, "[e]verything depends on the circumstances."
>
>
> 29 It seems to me that what appears at first sight to be an
> inconsistency in application of rules can be explained by the
> different contexts and in particular, the strong presumption of
> judicial impartiality that applies in the context of disqualification
> of a judge. There is no such presumption in cases of allegations of
> conflict of interest against a lawyer because of a firm's previous
> involvement in the case. To the contrary, as explained by Sopinka J.
> in MacDonald Estate v. Martin (1990), 77 D.L.R. (4th) 249 (S.C.C.),
> for sound policy reasons there is a presumption of a disqualifying
> interest that can rarely be overcome. In particular, a conclusory
> statement from the lawyer that he or she had no confidential
> information about the case will never be sufficient. The case is the
> opposite where the allegation of bias is made against a trial judge.
> His or her statement that he or she knew nothing about the case and
> had no involvement in it will ordinarily be accepted at face value
> unless there is good reason to doubt it: see Locabail, at para. 19.
>
>
> 30 That brings me then to consider the particular circumstances
> of this case and whether there are serious grounds to find a
> disqualifying conflict of interest in this case. In my view, there are
> two significant factors that justify the trial judge's decision not to
> recuse himself. The first is his statement, which all parties accept,
> that he knew nothing of the case when it was in his former firm and
> that he had nothing to do with it. The second is the long passage of
> time. As was said in Wewaykum, at para. 85:
> To us, one significant factor stands out, and must inform
> the perspective of the reasonable person assessing the impact of this
> involvement on Binnie J.'s impartiality in the appeals. That factor is
> the passage of time. Most arguments for disqualification rest on
> circumstances that are either contemporaneous to the decision-making,
> or that occurred within a short time prior to the decision-making.
> 31 There are other factors that inform the issue. The Wilson
> Walker firm no longer acted for any of the parties by the time of
> trial. More importantly, at the time of the motion, Patterson J. had
> been a judge for six years and thus had not had a relationship with
> his former firm for a considerable period of time.
>
>
> 32 In my view, a reasonable person, viewing the matter
> realistically would conclude that the trial judge could deal fairly
> and impartially with this case. I take this view principally because
> of the long passage of time and the trial judge's lack of involvement
> in or knowledge of the case when the Wilson Walker firm had carriage.
> In these circumstances it cannot be reasonably contended that the
> trial judge could not remain impartial in the case. The mere fact that
> his name appears on the letterhead of some correspondence from over a
> decade ago would not lead a reasonable person to believe that he would
> either consciously or unconsciously favour his former firm's former
> client. It is simply not realistic to think that a judge would throw
> off his mantle of impartiality, ignore his oath of office and favour a
> client - about whom he knew nothing - of a firm that he left six years
> earlier and that no longer acts for the client, in a case involving
> events from over a decade ago.
> (emphasis added)
>
> [19] Justice Webb had no involvement with any matter
> involving Mr. Amos while he was a member of Patterson Palmer or
> Patterson Law, nor does Mr. Amos suggest that he did. Mr. Amos made it
> clear during the hearing of this matter that the only reason for the
> alleged conflict for Justice Webb was that he was a member of
> Patterson Law and Patterson Palmer. This is simply not enough for
> Justice Webb to be disqualified. Any involvement of Mr. Amos with
> Patterson Law while Justice Webb was a member of that firm would have
> had to occur over 10 years ago and even longer for the time when he
> was a member of Patterson Palmer. In addition to the lack of any
> involvement on his part with any matter or dispute that Mr. Amos had
> with Patterson Law or Patterson Palmer (which in and of itself is
> sufficient to dispose of this matter), the length of time since
> Justice Webb was a member of Patterson Law or Patterson Palmer would
> also result in the same finding – that there is no conflict in Justice
> Webb hearing this appeal.
>
> [20] Similarly in R. v. Bagot, 2000 MBCA 30, 145 Man. R.
> (2d) 260, the Manitoba Court of Appeal found that there was no
> reasonable apprehension of bias when a judge, who had been a member of
> the law firm that had been retained by the accused, had no involvement
> with the accused while he was a lawyer with that firm.
>
> [21] In Del Zotto v. Minister of National Revenue, [2000] 4
> F.C. 321, 257 N.R. 96, this court did find that there would be a
> reasonable apprehension of bias where a judge, who while he was a
> lawyer, had recorded time on a matter involving the same person who
> was before that judge. However, this case can be distinguished as
> Justice Webb did not have any time recorded on any files involving Mr.
> Amos while he was a lawyer with Patterson Palmer or Patterson Law.
>
> [22] Mr. Amos also included with his submissions a CD. He
> stated in his affidavit dated June 26, 2017 that there is a “true copy
> of an American police surveillance wiretap entitled 139” on this CD.
> He has also indicated that he has “provided a true copy of the CD
> entitled 139 to many American and Canadian law enforcement authorities
> and not one of the police forces or officers of the court are willing
> to investigate it”. Since he has indicated that this is an “American
> police surveillance wiretap”, this is a matter for the American law
> enforcement authorities and cannot create, as Mr. Amos suggests, a
> conflict of interest for any judge to whom he provides a copy.
>
> [23] As a result, there is no conflict or reasonable
> apprehension of bias for Justice Webb and therefore, no reason for him
> to recuse himself.
>
> [24] Mr. Amos alleged that Justice Near’s past professional
> experience with the government created a “quasi-conflict” in deciding
> the cross-appeal. Mr. Amos provided no details and Justice Near
> confirmed that he had no prior knowledge of the matters alleged in the
> Claim. Justice Near sees no reason to recuse himself.
>
> [25] Insofar as it is possible to glean the basis for Mr.
> Amos’ allegations against Justice Gleason, it appears that he alleges
> that she is incapable of hearing this appeal because he says he wrote
> a letter to Brian Mulroney and Jean Chrétien in 2004. At that time,
> both Justice Gleason and Mr. Mulroney were partners in the law firm
> Ogilvy Renault, LLP. The letter in question, which is rude and angry,
> begins with “Hey you two Evil Old Smiling Bastards” and “Re: me suing
> you and your little dogs too”. There is no indication that the letter
> was ever responded to or that a law suit was ever commenced by Mr.
> Amos against Mr. Mulroney. In the circumstances, there is no reason
> for Justice Gleason to recuse herself as the letter in question does
> not give rise to a reasonable apprehension of bias.
>
>
> III. Issue
>
> [26] The issue on the cross-appeal is as follows: Did the
> Judge err in setting aside the Prothonotary’s Order striking the Claim
> in its entirety without leave to amend and in determining that Mr.
> Amos’ allegation that the RCMP barred him from the New Brunswick
> legislature in 2004 was capable of supporting a cause of action?
>
> IV. Analysis
>
> A. Standard of Review
>
> [27] Following the Judge’s decision to set aside the
> Prothonotary’s Order, this Court revisited the standard of review to
> be applied to discretionary decisions of prothonotaries and decisions
> made by judges on appeals of prothonotaries’ decisions in Hospira
> Healthcare Corp. v. Kennedy Institute of Rheumatology, 2016 FCA 215,
> 402 D.L.R. (4th) 497 [Hospira]. In Hospira, a five-member panel of
> this Court replaced the Aqua-Gem standard of review with that
> articulated in Housen v. Nikolaisen, 2002 SCC 33, [2002] 2 S.C.R. 235
> [Housen]. As a result, it is no longer appropriate for the Federal
> Court to conduct a de novo review of a discretionary order made by a
> prothonotary in regard to questions vital to the final issue of the
> case. Rather, a Federal Court judge can only intervene on appeal if
> the prothonotary made an error of law or a palpable and overriding
> error in determining a question of fact or question of mixed fact and
> law (Hospira at para. 79). Further, this Court can only interfere with
> a Federal Court judge’s review of a prothonotary’s discretionary order
> if the judge made an error of law or palpable and overriding error in
> determining a question of fact or question of mixed fact and law
> (Hospira at paras. 82-83).
>
> [28] In the case at bar, the Judge substituted his own
> assessment of Mr. Amos’ Claim for that of the Prothonotary. This Court
> must look to the Prothonotary’s Order to determine whether the Judge
> erred in law or made a palpable and overriding error in choosing to
> interfere.
>
>
> B. Did the Judge err in interfering with the
> Prothonotary’s Order?
>
> [29] The Prothontoary’s Order accepted the following
> paragraphs from the Crown’s submissions as the basis for striking the
> Claim in its entirety without leave to amend:
>
> 17. Within the 96 paragraph Statement of Claim, the Plaintiff
> addresses his complaint in paragraphs 14-24, inclusive. All but four
> of those paragraphs are dedicated to an incident that occurred in 2006
> in and around the legislature in New Brunswick. The jurisdiction of
> the Federal Court does not extend to Her Majesty the Queen in right of
> the Provinces. In any event, the Plaintiff hasn’t named the Province
> or provincial actors as parties to this action. The incident alleged
> does not give rise to a justiciable cause of action in this Court.
> (…)
>
>
> 21. The few paragraphs that directly address the Defendant
> provide no details as to the individuals involved or the location of
> the alleged incidents or other details sufficient to allow the
> Defendant to respond. As a result, it is difficult or impossible to
> determine the causes of action the Plaintiff is attempting to advance.
> A generous reading of the Statement of Claim allows the Defendant to
> only speculate as to the true and/or intended cause of action. At
> best, the Plaintiff’s action may possibly be summarized as: he
> suspects he is barred from the House of Commons.
> [footnotes omitted].
>
>
> [30] The Judge determined that he could not strike the Claim
> on the same jurisdictional basis as the Prothonotary. The Judge noted
> that the Federal Court has jurisdiction over claims based on the
> liability of Federal Crown servants like the RCMP and that the actors
> who barred Mr. Amos from the New Brunswick legislature in 2004
> included the RCMP (Federal Court Judgment at para. 23). In considering
> the viability of these allegations de novo, the Judge identified
> paragraph 14 of the Claim as containing “some precision” as it
> identifies the date of the event and a RCMP officer acting as
> Aide-de-Camp to the Lieutenant Governor (Federal Court Judgment at
> para. 27).
>
>
> [31] The Judge noted that the 2004 event could support a
> cause of action in the tort of misfeasance in public office and
> identified the elements of the tort as excerpted from Meigs v. Canada,
> 2013 FC 389, 431 F.T.R. 111:
>
>
> [13] As in both the cases of Odhavji Estate v Woodhouse, 2003 SCC
> 69 [Odhavji] and Lewis v Canada, 2012 FC 1514 [Lewis], I must
> determine whether the plaintiffs’ statement of claim pleads each
> element of the alleged tort of misfeasance in public office:
>
> a) The public officer must have engaged in deliberate and unlawful
> conduct in his or her capacity as public officer;
>
> b) The public officer must have been aware both that his or her
> conduct was unlawful and that it was likely to harm the plaintiff; and
>
> c) There must be an element of bad faith or dishonesty by the public
> officer and knowledge of harm alone is insufficient to conclude that a
> public officer acted in bad faith or dishonestly.
> Odhavji, above, at paras 23, 24 and 28
> (Federal Court Judgment at para. 28).
>
> [32] The Judge determined that Mr. Amos disclosed sufficient
> material facts to meet the elements of the tort of misfeasance in
> public office because the actors, who barred him from the New
> Brunswick legislature in 2004, including the RCMP, did so for
> “political reasons” (Federal Court Judgment at para. 29).
>
> [33] This Court’s discussion of the sufficiency of pleadings
> in Merchant Law Group v. Canada (Revenue Agency), 2010 FCA 184, 321
> D.L.R (4th) 301 is particularly apt:
>
> …When pleading bad faith or abuse of power, it is not enough to
> assert, baldly, conclusory phrases such as “deliberately or
> negligently,” “callous disregard,” or “by fraud and theft did steal”.
> “The bare assertion of a conclusion upon which the court is called
> upon to pronounce is not an allegation of material fact”. Making bald,
> conclusory allegations without any evidentiary foundation is an abuse
> of process…
>
> To this, I would add that the tort of misfeasance in public office
> requires a particular state of mind of a public officer in carrying
> out the impunged action, i.e., deliberate conduct which the public
> officer knows to be inconsistent with the obligations of his or her
> office. For this tort, particularization of the allegations is
> mandatory. Rule 181 specifically requires particularization of
> allegations of “breach of trust,” “wilful default,” “state of mind of
> a person,” “malice” or “fraudulent intention.”
> (at paras. 34-35, citations omitted).
>
> [34] Applying the Housen standard of review to the
> Prothonotary’s Order, we are of the view that the Judge interfered
> absent a legal or palpable and overriding error.
>
> [35] The Prothonotary determined that Mr. Amos’ Claim
> disclosed no reasonable claim and was fundamentally vexatious on the
> basis of jurisdictional concerns and the absence of material facts to
> ground a cause of action. Paragraph 14 of the Claim, which addresses
> the 2004 event, pleads no material facts as to how the RCMP officer
> engaged in deliberate and unlawful conduct, knew that his or her
> conduct was unlawful and likely to harm Mr. Amos, and acted in bad
> faith. While the Claim alleges elsewhere that Mr. Amos was barred from
> the New Brunswick legislature for political and/or malicious reasons,
> these allegations are not particularized and are directed against
> non-federal actors, such as the Sergeant-at-Arms of the Legislative
> Assembly of New Brunswick and the Fredericton Police Force. As such,
> the Judge erred in determining that Mr. Amos’ allegation that the RCMP
> barred him from the New Brunswick legislature in 2004 was capable of
> supporting a cause of action.
>
> [36] In our view, the Claim is made up entirely of bare
> allegations, devoid of any detail, such that it discloses no
> reasonable cause of action within the jurisdiction of the Federal
> Courts. Therefore, the Judge erred in interfering to set aside the
> Prothonotary’s Order striking the claim in its entirety. Further, we
> find that the Prothonotary made no error in denying leave to amend.
> The deficiencies in Mr. Amos’ pleadings are so extensive such that
> amendment could not cure them (see Collins at para. 26).
>
> V. Conclusion
> [37] For the foregoing reasons, we would allow the Crown’s
> cross-appeal, with costs, setting aside the Federal Court Judgment,
> dated January 25, 2016 and restoring the Prothonotary’s Order, dated
> November 12, 2015, which struck Mr. Amos’ Claim in its entirety
> without leave to amend.
> "Wyman W. Webb"
> J.A.
> "David G. Near"
> J.A.
> "Mary J.L. Gleason"
> J.A.
>
>
>
> FEDERAL COURT OF APPEAL
> NAMES OF COUNSEL AND SOLICITORS OF RECORD
>
> A CROSS-APPEAL FROM AN ORDER OF THE HONOURABLE JUSTICE SOUTHCOTT DATED
> JANUARY 25, 2016; DOCKET NUMBER T-1557-15.
> DOCKET:
>
> A-48-16
>
>
>
> STYLE OF CAUSE:
>
> DAVID RAYMOND AMOS v. HER MAJESTY THE QUEEN
>
>
>
> PLACE OF HEARING:
>
> Fredericton,
> New Brunswick
>
> DATE OF HEARING:
>
> May 24, 2017
>
> REASONS FOR JUDGMENT OF THE COURT BY:
>
> WEBB J.A.
> NEAR J.A.
> GLEASON J.A.
>
> DATED:
>
> October 30, 2017
>
> APPEARANCES:
> David Raymond Amos
>
>
> For The Appellant / respondent on cross-appeal
> (on his own behalf)
>
> Jan Jensen
>
>
> For The Respondent / appELLANT ON CROSS-APPEAL
>
> SOLICITORS OF RECORD:
> Nathalie G. Drouin
> Deputy Attorney General of Canada
>
> For The Respondent / APPELLANT ON CROSS-APPEAL
>
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