Thursday, 19 November 2020

Maugerville family wants ancestors' headstones back after finding them in an unlikely place

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https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/maugerville-families-want-family-headstones-back-1.5801245

 

Maugerville family wants ancestors' headstones back after finding them in an unlikely place

Lloyd Dutcher has spent years trying to have headstones returned to his family's cemetery

 

Shane Fowler · CBC News · Posted: Nov 19, 2020 8:00 AM AT

 


Members of the Dutcher family were surprised when they went to start restoration work on the family's 19th century graveyard and discovered the headstones were gone. (Submitted by Lloyd Dutcher)

As a child, Lloyd Dutcher spent his time exploring the fields and forests of Maugerville that included the small cemetery where his ancestors were buried.

The cemetery is considerably overgrown now. But buried under the unkempt brush are the sprawling 200-year-old branches of the Dutcher family tree.

"Elijah Miles was buried there in 1802," said Dutcher,  going through a mental list of family interred there. "My grandfather, Nathan Day, he was a sheriff in Sunbury County."

He's able to pinpoint John Dutcher as the first ancestor in the area bearing his last name, buried in the family cemetery after drowning in the St. John River in 1805.

The farm property the cemetery sits on has changed hands a few times in the decades since Dutcher played there as a child and the plot has fallen into disrepair. Dutcher now lives about 10 kilometres away.

 

 Lloyd Dutcher says his plans to restore a family graveyard in Maugerville hit a snag when he realized someone took all the gravestones. 2:35

Three years ago, Dutcher and his family vowed to restore it back to a proper Loyalist cemetery. They planned to install fencing, make pathways and cut back the decades of creeping brush. 

But when they started to comb through the underbrush to pinpoint the exact location of each gravesite, they couldn't find them. All of the headstones were gone. .

"There's nothing left here," said Dutcher. 

Dutcher says he's been hoping to have his family's headstones to mark where his ancestors are actually buried in Maugerville. (Shane Fowler/CBC News)

He asked around the community to see if anyone knew what had happened to the gravestones inscribed with his family's surnames of Dutcher, Miles, and Day. 

It turns out someone did. 

Lloyd Dutcher stands in the plot of land where his great-grandparents and other ansectors are buried. He says he and his family have long planned to restore the cemetery, but getting the headstones back is a major roadblock. (Shane Fowler/CBC News)

Sandra Day, a lifelong resident of Maugerville, is related to Lloyd Dutcher. 

"His mother and my mother were first cousins, I don't know what you'd want to call that," laughs Day.

But she does know that their common ancestors are buried in that cemetery. She also remembers the headstones displaying her family name when she was a child.

She said years ago another distant relative took the gravestones out of the cemetery.

"From what I was told they sat in a barn for a long while," said Day.

"They thought they were maybe doing a good thing in preserving them," said Dutcher.

That was 15 to 20 years ago.

Dutcher has since tracked the five missing headstones to an unlikely spot, 40 kilometres away — on display at the Kings Landing Historical Settlement. 

Lloyd Dutcher was able to locate his family's missing headstones, 40 kilometres away near a church at the Kings Landing Historical Settlement. Dutcher took this photo earlier this fall. (Submitted by Lloyd Dutcher)

Day and Dutcher don't know how they got there for certain, but they believe it was this well-intentioned relative who may have gifted the headstones to a Kings Landing employee scouting for historical artifacts. 

"He was getting ready to move," Dutcher said, "A curator was down looking at old furniture and stuff and said, 'What about those headstones?' and he said 'Take them if you want.' So that's how they got up there." 

"They should never have been taken," said Day. "And they shouldn't be in Kings Landing, they should be in Maugerville."

Kings Landing is a recreated historical village that treats tourists to what life was like for settlers in New Brunswick 200 years ago. 

Dutcher said he doubts those stones mark real grave sites in Kings Landing. But he said, if they do,  they're certainly not his relatives.

He said he's spent three years trying to get them back. 

What goes to Kings Landing...

Dutcher claims he has repeatedly asked staff to return the gravestones.

"The answer I got was "Anything that goes to Kings Landing stays at Kings Landing, and never leaves,'" said Dutcher.

 

The sawmill at Kings Landing Historical Settlement. (Jordan Gill/CBC)

But with a new head at the tourist attraction, Dutcher may have found some hope. 

"I can't speak to anything that happened before Jan. 27, 2020," said Mary Baruth, the historical settlement's new chief executive officer. 

Baruth said she only became aware of Dutcher's request recently, when he called Kings Landing two weeks ago trying to get the stones back.  

She said if Dutcher's claims are true, the headstones could be returned. 

"I told him I would have our collections manager look at it," said Baruth. "She's looking at it and she's found the donation form and we're just trying to find the trail back." 

She said they're trying to determine if the stones are replicas or replacements for the original headstones. 

"If these belong in the cemetery, and they are not replacement ones, and that we gained them in a way that was not above board, certainly, we would want to repatriate them," said Baruth. 

Lloyd Dutcher says five gravestones belong in his family's cemetery, marking his ancestors graves, instead of being on display at Kings Landing. (Submitted by Lloyd Dutcher)

Family first

Generally, it's often family that are considered to be the legal owners of the stones, according to The Association of New Brunswick Cemeteries.

"The person who purchases it, owns it," said Valerie Traer, the president of the association.

That ownership responsibility usually falls to surviving family members who are often responsible for upkeep and maintenance of the stones.

"These do get passed on from generation to generation," said Traer.

But Traer said her association only represents community or privately owned cemeteries, and that cases involving family cemeteries can become tricky. She said New Brunswick is one of the few provinces that still allows for family– owned cemeteries.

But Traer does advocate for keeping cemeteries as intact and as maintained as possible.

"The cemetery is the history of the community," said Traer.

She said the second most common reason for people to visit New Brunswick, following tourism, is to look for their ancestors.

"So what better reason to take care of our cemeteries," said Traer.

Hopeful for return

Dutcher said the ownership of the land has never been in dispute. He said the current owners don't have an issue with his family's plans to restore the small plot.

But, now he's hopeful the research efforts by officials at Kings Landing will prove the headstones belong to his family, and the stones will once again mark where his ancestors are buried.

"That's the idea of having a headstone," said Dutcher.

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Shane Fowler

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Shane Fowler has been a CBC journalist based in Fredericton since 2013. 

 

     

 

Corrections

  • A previous version of this story indicated that the owners of the property where the graveyard is located had given prior approval for its restoration. In fact, they have not given permission.
    Nov 19, 2020 6:03 PM AT

 

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David Amos
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Methinks Mr Dutcher should pick up the phone and call Tammy Scott-Wallace Higgy's latest Minister of Tourism, Heritage and Culture and tell her I said Hey N'esy Pas?
 
 
 
 
David Amos
Why do the officials at Kings Landing have any doubt as to where the tombstomes belong?
 
 
 
 
david arsenau
Methinks , n esy pas, higgy, irving its getting old David Amos 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Lloyd dutcher
I know the story and I am not blaming kings land . But it’s against the law to remove a head stone from a grave site , if it’s looked after or not .
Do you think I could go into George street cemetery and take home A broken headstone because it was broken and not looked after . I just want to mark this area and get the headstones back fence it in so there won’t be a building built or pasture land made there
The way I see it if it’s not marked soon then nobody will be left that know where it is 
 
 
Peggy Dutcher Meyer
Reply to @Lloyd dutcher: I just love it when people try to spin a story and make it into something it’s not. You just want to get them back in their rightful place to preserve the graves.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
DarrellButler 
Kings Landing obtained these tombstones in the 1990s It was approached by a Mr Miles who lived in BC and was in NB for a short time to clean out the family farm after a death in the family. These tombstones were in the barn on the farm where they were placed when Mr Miles’ brother, a priest, removed them from a heavily overgrown cemetery further down in Maugerville. The priest had placed them in the barn over 20 years before this. As it was explained to Kings Landing, if the tombstones did not go there they were going to be broken up and disposed of. The Kings Landing collection committee discussed the acquisition of a large collection of Miles family artefacts. Regarding the tombstones, it was determined that it was important to preserve the tombstones of a Loyalist family and that at least they could be returned to consecrated soil in the cemetery next to St Mark’s Church.
There was no intention of taking tombstones from family members. In this case the family assured us that no one - in the 1990s - were interested in the tombstones. From Kings Landing’s perspective, the tombstones had been removed from the graves for two decades and were going to be destroyed. It was felt that Kings Landing had a responsibility to preserve them as they were part of a Loyalist family in NB.
 
 
Peggy Dutcher Meyer
Reply to @DarrellButler: perfect. Thanks for preserving them. Now let’s get them back where they belong.
 
 
Lloyd dutcher
Reply to @DarrellButler: Darrel maybe you can get buried at kings landing grave yard and put your head stone there. I think maybe everyone that works there could par take.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Peggy Dutcher Meyer
These tombstones were meant to mark our grandparents and relatives graves, not to be a tourist attraction. Not sure why Kings landing thinks they are entitled to keep them. Is there a statute of limitations on a persons grave?
 
 
David Amos
Reply to @Peggy Dutcher Meyer: Perhaps we should talk?
 
 
Lou Bell
Reply to @Peggy Dutcher Meyer: Take a good look at the following story ! There was nothing nefarious as to how and why these tombstones ended up at Kings Landing and they werew assured they were dealing with family members , AS NO ONE ELSE IN THE FAMILY appeared to have an interest in maintaining the tombstones OR the graves ! Hopefully , when they're returned , family members will do a better job at looking after them than they have in the past !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
 
Peggy Dutcher Meyer
Reply to @Lou Bell: in my opinion, the headstones should NEVER have been taken off the graves by A PRIEST or anyone and put in a barn. Now that we know where they are and where they belong, shouldn’t they be put back? What would be so wrong with that? Descendant s are willing to do that. Is that wrong?
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Roy Kirk
Seems to me the provincial govt should return the headstones to their original place. Vandalizing a cemetery to build a tourist attraction seems inappropriate. And just because a 3rd party acted as the vandals for the govt is no good excuse for keeping the loot.
 
 
David Amos
Reply to @Roy Kirk: I agree
 
 
Lou Bell
Reply to @Roy Kirk: The tombstones were placed in a barn over 20 years previous BY A PRIEST ! I doubt they VANDALIZED the cemetery and it's disgusting to state so ! As stated , the cemetery and stones were in dep neglect ! if you think otherwise , visit the cemetery , take some pictures , and so us just how beautiful it has been kept !! Take Dave with you ! 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Marc Bourque
I know of a break water that was back filled with headstones from the early 1900's.I was able to read the name and birthdays and the date of death.Over the years they were covered over with soil........To this day I still dont know why this had happened and the present owner of the property dont have an idea about it...
 
 
David Amos
Reply to @Marc Bourque: Methinks Higgy et al know that Tammy Scott-Wallace our latest Minister of Tourism, Heritage and Culture and I can tell a few stories that involve the Irving Clan and old grave sites in our neck of the woods N'esy Pas?
 
 
Lou Bell
Reply to @David Amos: I highly doubt they'd be very believable ! 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Al Clark
He's lucky Cormier didn't chuck them out with all the un-con books....
 
 
David Amos
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Reply to @Al Clark: Methinks many would agree that you and Cormier deserve each other N'esy Pas?

 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Toby Tolly
so far 5 stories today on this site are new ....
nothing i would categorize as worth the effort
 
 
David Amos
Reply to @Toby Tolly: I disagree bigtime
 
 
Toby Tolly 
Reply to @David Amos: Im honoured  
 
 
David Amos
Reply to @Toby Tolly: Of that I have no doubt
 
 
Chris McNee
Reply to @Toby Tolly: if this situation happened to someone you loved you might appreciate this being a story. It’s a disgrace that previous Kings Landing management has stalled in returning the headstones to there rightful grave sites.
 
 
David Amos
Reply to @Chris McNee: I agree
 

 

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/former-curator-gives-explanation-for-relocated-headstones-1.5810411 

 

Former curator gives explanation for relocated headstones

Darrel Butler was the man who accepted headstones for Kings Landing back in the 1990s

 

Shane Fowler · CBC News · Posted: Nov 23, 2020 9:00 AM AT 

 


Darrel Butler was the curator who accepted the headstones back in the 1990's. (Shane Fowler/CBC News)

A retired curator has come forward to explain how five headstones went missing from a Maugerville cemetery and wound up at Kings Landing Historical Settlement. 

Darrel Butler, the former chief curator of Kings Landing, said if he hadn't taken them, the stones would have met a very different fate. 

"If we hadn't, we wouldn't be talking today because there wouldn't have been any tombstones saved," said Butler. 

The controversy surrounding the stones comes after a family member,  looking for his ancestors headstones, found them in an unlikely place: More than 40 kilometres away at Kings Landing.   

Darrel Butler said he got a call in the 1990s from someone in Maugerville. The owner of the Miles family farm had recently passed away and his surviving son, who had flown in from BC, invited him to scout out the farm for notable items from New Brunswick's farming past. 

"In that period of time, it was important for us, for Kings Landing to get artifacts, so that we could build a collection that historians in the future would be able to use for study and research," said Butler.


Five headstones that were originally marking graves in Maugerville are now on display at Kings Landing Historical Settlement. (Submitted by Lloyd Dutcher)

Farm equipment made in the early 1800's in Saint John was the obvious choice for the collection. But Mr. Miles directed Butlers attention to the five gravestones. 

"He explained that his brother, who he said was a priest, about 20 years before this had gone to the old family cemetery," said Butler. "He found the family cemetery all grown over and was really worried about preserving any sense of identity." 

So, the priest moved the stones to a barn where they sat for decades until the surviving son convinced Butler to take them. 

"He said nobody's interested in them in my family, I've got to go back to British Columbia," recalled Butler. "He said the best I can do is use them as lawn ornaments on my front yard... ...which my wife won't let me do." 

Butler said the plan was to break them up and throw them away. 

So Butler said the Kings Landing collections committee mulled over the idea of saving the tombstones. He says relocating them wasn't controversial at the time, but it was still a sensitive topic.

After several discussions, Kings Landing accepted the tombstones in part to save them from being destroyed, but also because it was clear they had been crafted in New Brunswick and had marked the tomb of Loyalists. The fact that no one could relocate the original cemetery also factored into the decision. 

The stones were then placed on consecrated ground next to the Anglican church at Kings Landing.

 

 Staff at Kings Landing Historical Settlement are reviewing their acquisition of five headstones they currently have on display. (Submitted by Lloyd Dutcher)

"In our perspective, we saved Loyalist artifacts," said Butler. "And they were important." 

"If we didn't preserve them, they'd be gone," said Butler. "So that's why we did it."

Butler said now that there's another branch of family descendants willing to take care and maintain the stones, they should be returned to mark their original grave sites.

According to Kings Landing chief executive officer Mary Baruth, staff are still looking into the acquisition of the tombstones. They plan on contacting the family who want to have them back.

About the Author

Shane Fowler

Reporter

Shane Fowler has been a CBC journalist based in Fredericton since 2013. 

 

 

 

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David Amos
The plot thickens
 
 
DeanRoger Ray
Reply to @David Amos: That or Laura’s waistline 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
David Amos
Need I say Hmmm???

Nov 19, 2020 6:03 PM AT
"A previous version of this story indicated that the owners of the property where the graveyard is located had given prior approval for its restoration. In fact, they have not given permission."
  
 
 
DeanRoger Ray
Reply to @David Amos: No. Don’t say anything. Your breath smells the same both places and you’re polluting the environment 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
David Amos 
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I called Mr Butler again last week as soon as he made a comment in the last article about this topic. He did not return my call

Methinks Higgy et al and his former boss in particular would not be surprised as to why Butler has now deemed me to be not worth talking to N'esy Pas? 

 
 
Ray Oliver
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Reply to @David Amos: its probably not just now he deems you not worth calling, I bet its been forever
 
 
David Amos  
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Reply to @Ray Oliver: Methinks there is no doubt his old boss works with you oh ye who now pretends to be a musician N'esy Pas?
 
 
David Amos  
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Reply to @Ray Oliver: Methinks nobody would be surprised to see you change your ID to Rick Miles then lay claim to the tombstones too. However I suspect that the Fake Left dude in Fat Fred City or the former Attorney General Brad Green whom Harper appointed to the bench after he kicked the lawyer out of office would find your evil Phoneloser BS as funny as I sometimes do N'esy Pas? 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 




 
 
 
Eugene Peabody
I knew there was a logical explanation to this story.
 
 
Peggy Dutcher Meyer 
Reply to @Eugene Peabody: Again, don't twist the story. It was never in question about how they got them. Just want them back on the graves where they belong.
 
 
SarahRose Werner
Reply to @Peggy Dutcher Meyer: The gentleman interviewed agrees with you: "Butler said now that there's another branch of family descendants willing to take care and maintain the stones, they should be returned to mark their original grave sites."  
 
 
David Amos
Reply to @Peggy Dutcher Meyer: Amen 
 
 
Peggy Dutcher Meyer 
Reply to @SarahRose Werner: Thank you. Elijah Miles is my 4 times great grandfather.
 
 
David Amos
Reply to @Peggy Dutcher Meyer: FYI I was talking to somebody you know very well while you were posting this
 
 
Ray Oliver
Reply to @Peggy Dutcher Meyer: Nothing wrong with what this man said. If he didn't take them they would be long lost as someone had already pulled them from the original spot. This man did not take them from the graveyard your own relative did.
 
 
Ray Oliver
Reply to @Peggy Dutcher Meyer: If you didn't want people "twisting" the story and forming an opinion then maybe just handling it with a lawyer privately with Kings Landing and not going to the media to pose them as the bad guy as leverage for them to return them would've been the better angle.
 
 
Peggy Dutcher Meyer 
Reply to @Ray Oliver: Listen, it was never about how they got them, its about getting them back! That is what I meant about twisting the story!
 
 
David Amos
Reply to @Peggy Dutcher Meyer: Congrats you just met one of Higgy's more nasty spin doctors
 
 
Ray Oliver
Reply to @David Amos: congrats you just met another NB citizen who is unaffiliated with any para noid assumptions you have
 
 
Ray Oliver
Reply to @David Amos: its a shame you wasted your life like you have.
 
 
Ray Oliver
Reply to @David Amos: Whats the over/under on how long it takes those you try to help realize its a con and you're useless? A month?
 
 
Chris McNee
Reply to @Eugene Peabody: this story is just covering what was already said a week ago, what it’s not covering is why they refused to return them. Even in death your not safe in NB :)
 
 
Chris McNee
Reply to @Ray Oliver: the rightful owners or there families or the caregiver of there resting sights shouldn’t have to spent anything to get back what’s there’s. The next time the government be it CRA or a bank owes you something that’s yours, and having to hire someone to return something that’s rightfully yours.
 
 
Ray Oliver
Reply to @Chris McNee: How are the 200 plus year old gravestones property of distant relatives from a graveyard that no longer exists. Morally, they should be returned. But these are not property of someone who claims to be a relative. Maybe I'm a great grandchild too.. I want one!
 
 
Ray Oliver
Reply to @Chris McNee: we all have lots of generations back relatives stones in yards around NB. Can I just go grab one pick it up and put it in my yard cause I claim I'm a descendant. I'm not disputing the right thing is to return these, I'm just disputing the ladies argumentative statements as if this making the news is harmful to her
 
 
David Amos
Reply to @Chris McNee: Methinks whereas your friend Ray uses so many different names folks should have no doubt that soon he will claim to Higgy's cousin too N'esy Pas?   
 
 
DeanRoger Ray
Reply to @David Amos: Methinks Polish Tony in BC was not happy about the pizzas you sent him today. You may want to give him a call ASAP and apologize.
 
 
David Amos
Reply to @Chris McNee: Say hello to Ray's evil cousin Ray Methinks birds of a feather flock together N'esy Pas?
 
 
Harvey York
Reply to @David Amos: I'd like to hear more about this Polish Tony and why he doesn't like pizza. Please, do tell . Was he one of your cell mates that called you Petite Chou ever so affectionately?
 
 
 
Harvey York
Reply to @Ray Oliver: ohhhhh snap!
 
 
Ray Oliver
Reply to @Harvey York: did you hear? The girl in the eviction article should contact him asap hes gonna help her out of her jam. He's always so successful in his humanitarian gestures
 
 
Ray Oliver
Reply to @David Amos: did the girl contact you so you can save her from eviction? Or did you just want her old furniture she was gonna toss when she goes
 
 
Harvey York
Reply to @Ray Oliver: a true Prince among men I'd say
 
 
Ray Oliver
Reply to @Harvey York: Mother Theresa got nothing on him. A true ethical animal as he self describes
 
 
Ray Oliver
Reply to @Ray Oliver: Mother Theresa with a little dash of John Nash

 

 

 

 

 

Murray Brown
There are overgrown cemetery's all over the province. It wasn't like there were graveyards to lay down your relatives. During the early part of the 19th century, just getting to a proper church was a chore that involved traveling to a remote locations. So most people just buried their relatives in the back yard, or on their own property.
 
 
David Amos
Reply to @Murray Brown: Oh So True
 

 

 

 

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Monday, 24 February 2020

Qualifications of new head of public library service questioned

 

 https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/kevin-cormier-kings-landing-library-darrell-butler-1.5476542



New head of public library service got rid of 'hundreds' of books at Kings Landing library

Kevin Cormier removed significant books worth $60K, says former employee who found some at Value Village



Bobbi-Jean MacKinnon · CBC News · Posted: Feb 27, 2020 6:00 AM AT



Kevin Cormier, appointed executive director of the New Brunswick Public Library Service last week, previously served seven years as the chief executive officer of Kings Landing Corporation, the historical settlement near Fredericton. (Kevin Cormier/Facebook)

The new head of the New Brunswick Public Library Service got rid of a significant collection of books at the Kings Landing library when he was in charge of the historical settlement, according to a former employee.

Darrell Butler helped build up the Kings Landing library over more than 40 years as the chief curator and manager of heritage resources.

The books dealt with topics such as the history of agriculture, wagons, furniture and ceramics, and staff used them for research and reference, said Butler.


"The books were very specialized and, well really, they were collectors' items, some of them individually worth over $100," he said.

But in 2016, when Kevin Cormier was the CEO of Kings Landing, Butler discovered some of the books for sale at Value Village in Fredericton.
"I walked in one day and said, 'Gee that looks like a book that I donated to Kings Landing.' And I opened it up and there was my name inside the book, so I knew it was the book that I had donated."

He also found some books that had been donated to Kings Landing by a prominent citizen in memory of her mother, he said.

Butler estimates "hundreds" of books worth "well over $50,000-$60,000" were lost.

"I was quite concerned about it and I wrote to the chairman of the board of directors of Kings Landing," said Butler, who was on extended leave at the time because of a heart condition.

"Unfortunately I never heard back from them," Butler added. "But three days later Kevin Cormier called me and demanded I return my BlackBerry and my computer to Kings Landing."


Darrell Butler, former manager of heritage resources for Kings Landing, said the loss of the specialized books from the library was 'tragic.' (Submitted by Darrell Butler)

Cormier has not responded to requests for interviews.

Last week, he was named executive director of the province's 64 public libraries. It's a contentious appointment given his apparent lack of library training or experience.

The current CEO of Kings Landing, Mary Baruth, confirmed in an emailed statement that "several years ago, senior management" directed the collections manager to review the library's books, magazines, periodicals and journals "for their relevance to the collection."

'Extraneous' books donated


"Sources that contained information related to the mandate, and that could be used as reference material, were kept for use in the reference library and/or collections centre," said Baruth.

Those deemed "extraneous" were boxed and donated to the Canadian Federation of University Women's annual book fair in Fredericton, she said.

"It is our understanding that some of these materials donated to the book sale may have eventually made their way to other used book retailers, charity and consignment shops."

Baruth could not explain why the collection was purged since she was not with Kings Landing at the time. But she did say, "It is not unusual for libraries and museums to periodically review reference materials as new editions and digitized versions become available and to discard or donate reference materials not related to their mandate to charitable causes so that others may benefit from their use."

She continued: "Kings Landing has an extensive primary archival and library collection that is the cornerstone of its history, research, exhibit and interpretation plan and it remains intact."

'It's tragic'


Butler disagrees. He contends only about one-third of the collection remains.

"It's tragic," he said. "It was a very good research library. It was specialized. We had journals and texts that you couldn't get anywhere else in New Brunswick."

He cites as an example being able to compare farm wagons in New Brunswick to those in England to see the cultural influences.


"Without those books, it's gone," said Butler. "You don't have it. And it's not [all] online, as people said to me at the time," If the information is online, he said, it doesn't go into the same level of detail as some of the publications.

If the Kings Landing library couldn't keep all of the books for some reason, Butler questions why they weren't instead donated to the New Brunswick Museum or the New Brunswick Public Library Service.

"I guess what I'm saying is that perhaps Kevin wasn't quite as aware of the value of the research library at Kings Landing as one would expect him to be if he had a strong history and museum background."

Retired over difference of views


Butler said he retired because he didn't agree with some of the other controversial changes Cormier was making, which included cutting back on re-enactments and replacing them with static exhibits.

"I just said I couldn't be associated with it because I was the person … that was responsible for the historical accuracy of Kings Landing and the approach he was using was contrary to everything that I knew about historical settlements and how they should operate," said Butler.

Last March, Cormier announced plans to resume using costumed characters in the three old houses.


Although Cormier didn't have experience in museums, he did do research, attend conferences and get up to speed "as best he could" when he worked at Kings Landing, said Butler.

But "his vision for Kings Landing was unorthodox," focused more on it being a tourist attraction than a place to teach people about New Brunswick history, he said.

Despite their differences, Butler said Cormier has people skills and is an innovative thinker.










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David Amos
Methinks even Higgy must have noticed that Kevin Cormier will attack my words elsewhere but not where the article is about him N'esy Pas?


Johnny Horton
Reply to @David Amos:
Kevin just became the hero of many an NBer for putting Amos in his pls e,


 
David Amos 
Reply to @Johnny Horton: Methinks Franky Boy McKenna knows why I am honoured by the fact that some people are so stupid they attack me while the clever ones play dumb Nesy Pas?









val harris
Fire this clown before he does more damage


David Amos  
Reply to @val harris: Relax and enjoy the circus We already paid the entrance fee

 
Gabriel Boucher
Reply to @David Amos: Being passive about the situation isn't going to solve the problem one bit

 
Johnny Horton
Reply to @Gabriel Boucher:
You had your say st the last election. You’ll have your next say at the next election.

 

 

 

 

https://kingslanding.nb.ca/contact/

 


Mary E. Baruth

Chief Executive Officer
(506) 363-4957
(506) 476-3106
mary.baruth@gnb.ca

 

 

https://www2.gnb.ca/content/gnb/en/news/news_release.2020.01.0036.html 

 


New CEO at Kings Landing

PRINCE WILLIAM (GNB) – Mary E. Baruth has been appointed as the new chief executive officer at Kings Landing.

Baruth has worked in the field of heritage and cultural management, and community development, for more than 33 years. Most recently, she headed the renewal of the Jack Miner Migratory Bird Sanctuary and Foundation in Kingsville, Ont.

“Kings Landing plays an important role in preserving New Brunswick’s history and culture,” said Tourism, Heritage and Culture Minister Robert Gauvin. “In 2019, there was an 18 per cent increase in visitation and I am confident the museum will continue on this trajectory with Mary at its helm.”

Baruth has been involved in special event development, economic development initiatives, heritage preservation, public art policy development and implementation, tourism, community and cultural development. She has researched and presented a number of studies, policies and reports to municipal councils, communities and boards. She is a recent recipient of the University of Windsor Community Heritage Medal.

“We are pleased to have someone as talented and experienced as Mary Baruth join our team,” said Al Walker, chair of the board of directors. “Kings Landing has created a wonderful legacy in preserving the history of our province and I have great faith that the people of New Brunswick will not be disappointed in what will come from Mary’s leadership.”

As a living history museum, Kings Landing allows visitors to experience first-hand what life was like in the 19th century. It opens for the 2020 season on June 13, daily from 10 a.m. to 5 p.m., and is located 20 minutes west of Fredericton at Exit 253, Trans-Canada Highway.

Johanne Le Blanc, communications, Tourism, Heritage and Culture, 506-444-2170, johanne.leblanc2@gnb.ca.

Rachael Biggar, communications, Kings Landing, 506-238-3721, rachael.biggar@gnb.ca.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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