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https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/provincial-courthouse-downtown-fredericton-1.6082680 

 

New provincial courthouse to be built in downtown Fredericton

Announcement comes after PCs axed former courthouse project introduced by Liberal government

 

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/fredericton-courthouse-province-1.6083939

 

City of Fredericton pays $8.2M in land deal for new downtown courthouse

The piece of land could also include a new performing arts centre, residential and commercial development

It's a deal that will also see potential new developments on the site, including a new performing arts centre.  

City council approved the purchase of a section of land at 560 King St, between Regent and Carleton streets, with a price tag of $8.2 million. It will immediately sell about 25 per cent of the land to the province for $2.4 million. 

"We had identified the downtown as a place where we would want an institution such as this," said Fredericton Mayor Kate Rogers. "The province supported and shared that vision. And so I see this is just the beginning of good things moving forward." 

The city is waiving 60 per cent of the development fees and the parking requirements for the courthouse development. It will also sell land to the province to use for a new school in one of the city's areas marked for high-growth for $1 in the future. All those incentives are worth nearly $2 million to the province.


This graphic shows potential development in Fredericton's downtown. (City of Fredericton)

"This deal that the city put together made it a hard one to pass up," said Transportation Minister Jill Green.

Green said there were 15 sites the province was considering. This particular site quickly rose to the top, as many options were outside the downtown. 

"The second option is outside the downtown core. So that's why we're so excited when the city passed this, this evening," Green said after the council meeting Monday night.

A new performing arts centre

The city has designated a second chunk of the land for a new performing arts centre, the same spot the city had intended for that development several years ago. But at the time the city wasn't able to secure the land, according to Rogers.

"We spent quite a bit of time a few years back trying to make it work for a new performing arts centre, but without the other partners in place, and the other development in place, we couldn't make it work," Rogers said. "We now can make it work."

She said the city will be speaking with the board of directors at the Playhouse to see if they're interested in the location.


Transportation and Infrastructure Minister Jill Green said the province was considering 15 different sites for the new courthouse. (CBC News/Jacques Poitras)

Green would not confirm whether the province had any intention of putting funds toward the performing arts centre, which has struggled to get any financial input from other levels of government for years, despite being at the top of the city's capital priorities.  

"Our focus right now is absolutely the justice building," Green said. "We've just located the property. The city got to complete their land transaction. We need to design and build this courthouse."

Residential development in the works

The third piece of the property has been earmarked for a high-density residential and commercial development, up to 18-storeys. The height of the future development would still be subject to the zoning process. The city said Commercial Properties Limited, which is selling the land to the city, holds the right of first offer on that potential development. 

The cost of the property is $9.5 million. 


Fredericton Mayor Kate Rogers says she was hopeful the new courthouse would be somewhere in the city's downtown core. (Maria Jose Burgos/CBC)

Rogers said the municipality is financially fit enough to take on the borrowing costs. 

"We're able to take this on without it affecting the residents' tax bill in any way. We have the borrowing room because we've been so fiscally responsible for many, many years. And so we have this available to us."

Right now most of the land is used for parking and the only building on-site houses an optometry office.

The city will generate revenue from the parking and the rent of the building until construction begins. 

 

 
 

Deja Vu Anyone???

 
 
 
 

Fredericton's Centennial Building sold to private developer

Developer will turn historic building into residential, hotel and restaurant space

A Fredericton building that housed the offices of New Brunswick premiers and civil servants for years after it was built as a Centennial project will be sold to a private developer for $4 million.

The downtown Centennial Building, which has a heritage designation, is being sold to Centennial Heritage Properties Inc.

"We feel the option presented by the buyer is the most beneficial to the province and to the City of Fredericton," Bill Oliver, the minister of transportation and infrastructure, who announced the deal Wednesday in the legislature.  

"We feel this is a much better deal for the taxpayers of New Brunswick." 

Oliver said the latest plan for the Centennial Building will save New Brunswick taxpayers about $60 million and create more than 450 jobs, he said.


David Coon, New Brunswick's Green Party leader, is happy something will be done with Fredericton's Centennial Building. (CBC)

In January 2017, the Liberals announced a plan to renovate two wings of the building and demolish a third to build a new courthouse. It was to cost $76 million and be finished by 2021.

The back wing of the building was demolished in 2018. After the Progressive Conservatives came to power later that year, Premier Blaine Higgs cancelled further construction.

About $13.05 million had already been spent on the building. With Higg's cancellation of the courthouse project, the property at St. John and King streets, once featured in New Brunswick tourism brochures, started to become an eyesore. 

In May, the government issued a request for proposals for private-sector redevelopment of the property. 

A government news release said Centennial Heritage Properties has a two-phase plan for the building, which includes 200,000 square feet of residential space and 40,000 square feet for hotel and restaurant space. 

Construction is expected to cost $48 million.

Many of the historical elements inside and outside the building will be kept, Oliver said. The building houses numerous pieces of original art, which will be on loan from the New Brunswick Art Bank. 

Stephen Horsman, Fredericton-North's MLA, asked the government what it plans to do with the city's courthouse on Queen Street. A new space for the courthouse was included in the former Liberal government's plan for refurbishing the Centennial Building. 

Higgs floated the idea of moving the aging courthouse to the Centennial Building in April, before the government asked for private-sector proposals.

"What about the necessity of a courthouse in the capital area?" Horsman asked. "We still need one." 

Horsman said 800 to 1,000 jobs were lost when the government decided to scrap the original Centennial plan.

David Coon, the Green Party leader, is glad the building will no longer continue to collect cobwebs and be an eyesore in the provincial capital, but he's also curious about the government's plans for a courthouse. 

"There needs to be a new courthouse in Fredericton … and now it's going to cost more money, I think, than it otherwise would have if it had gone ahead as planned adjacent to the Centennial building," Coon said.

Coon said he hopes the new residential space will accommodate affordable housing units.

"The last thing we need in Fredericton is more housing that no one can afford." 

Built for civil servants

People's Alliance Leader Kris Austin said he's pleased with the announcement, but he agreed the government isn't off the hook when it comes to renovating the courthouse or building a new one.  

The Centennial Building was constructed in 1967, when the provinces and territories received money from the federal government for Canada's centennial.  

It was designed as an office building for all government departments of the day.

In 2013, the province moved many offices into Chancery Place across the street, and by 2015, the Centennial Building was two-thirds empty.

Corrections

  • An earlier version of this story identified the buyer of the Centennial Building as Heritage Properties Inc., the name provided by Infrastructure Minister Bill Oliver. In fact, the company is Centennial Heritage Properties Inc.
    Dec 18, 2019 3:59 PM AT
 
 
 
 
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David Raymond Amos

Surprise Surprise Surprise






Roy Kirk
Who are the investors and principals behind the company?

   
David Raymond Amos

Reply to @Roy Kirk: Guess

   
Graham McCormack
Reply to @David Raymond Amos: Oh please enlighten us?

  
David Raymond Amos

Reply to @Roy Kirk: FYI I heard Bill Oliver name them on the radio this morning However when he kept claiming that his buddies KPMG picked them I knew the game was fixed out of the gate After all methinks everybody knows these lawyers/beancounters claim to be gatekeepers N'esy Pas?

  
David Raymond Amos
Reply to @Graham McCormack: Anyone can Google my name and KPMG

  






Murray Reimer
Can't help but wonder if the Irvings have some involvement in all of this, he who pays the piper calls the tune.

   
David Raymond Amos
Reply to @Murray Reimer: YUP

   
Graham McCormack
Reply to @Murray Reimer: Was Irving involved in your writing that comment?

Man it is sad how people bring Irving into everything that happens in this province!

  
David Raymond Amos

Reply to @Graham McCormack: Do you work for them?

   
Graham McCormack
Reply to @David Raymond Amos: Not even close. Just gets old when someone feels the need to bring Irving into every story.









Bruce Martin
So what we now see is that the Centennial building, which was erected at a time when both Canada and New Brunswick were celebrating hopes for a prosperous and progressive future is being sold at a rock bottom price. It seems hard to believe now but at that time Fredericton had one of the highest average incomes in the country. We had just gone through a time of much needed social change and the province was seen as a national leader. This was reflected in the building's design, still probably ... » more

   
David Raymond Amos
Reply to @Bruce Martin: FYI My Father sat in a corner office underneath the Finance Minister as soon as the building opened for business









Trevis L. Kingston

So... according to this CBC article... the Centennial Building is a historical one.
Has Fredericton decided to lower the number of years that this designation requires?

  
David Raymond Amos
Reply to @Trevis L. Kingston: It depends on whose interests it serves








Kyle Woodman:
I wonder if team Higgs is aware that we own an original copy of Audubon's Birds of America. It is worth $10-12 million. I bet the guys at Pawn Stars would give us 3 million for it. https://www.audubon.org/news/a-rare-copy-audubons-birds-america-heads-auction-benefit-conservation

   
David Raymond Amos

Reply to @Kyle Woodman: WOW if True and if not it was a good joke to throw into Higgy's circus for us all to enjoy

  







Murray Brown
In reality, the property alone is worth twice that amount and even standing as it is the estimated value for tax assessment was $4,935,500. Hopefully this 'developer' doesn't end up sucking more and more and more money out of the government to finish their project.


David Raymond Amos
Reply to @Murray Brown: It is supposed to be a private enterprise but watch ACOA etc step up to the plate and start giving our money away

   





Matt Steele

Certainly a good news story for everyone involved , and especially for the N.B. taxpayer . A new Courthouse was certainly not needed as there is nothing wrong with the current Courthouse . Since N.B. has been declared the poorest province in Canada , govt. workers need to learn to make do with what they already have , and stop wasting the taxpayers hard earned cash .

   
Kyle Woodman:
Reply to @Matt Steele: How is selling the asset for $1,000,000 less than its assessed value good for the taxpayer?


maggie short
Reply to @Matt Steele: is not the Fredericton court house a heritage site?? the provincial court house should be moved to saint john anyway......


Gerry  Ferguson
Reply to @Matt Steele: I agree. Liberals would have spent millions upon millions of dollars we don't have. Time to live within our means in NB. Don't need swanky court houses.


Catherine Brown
Reply to @Matt Steele: have you been to recently to the courthouse? Obviously not!

  
David Raymond Amos
Reply to @Matt Steele: Dream on


David Raymond Amos
Reply to @Catherine Brown: I have so whats your point?

 






   
cheryl wright

I think its awesome. the government has too many buildings in Fredericton under their belt that aren't being properly utilized. hopefully it will be affordable housing as it is more than needed here. as far as the old court house goes what exactly is the issues with it? is it a need or a want?

  
Murray Brown
Reply to @cheryl wright: The government is renting many buildings within the Fredericton and other parts of the province and the cost of that rent is increasing taxes. Would you rather rent your house or own it? Renting is always a waste of money.

   
David Raymond Amos
Reply to @Murray Brown: Well put

 
David Raymond Amos  
Reply to @cheryl wright: Bill Oliver did not ask that the spot be developed for affordable housing so rest assured it won't be

  






stephen blunston

dedicated heritage building why , it has to be the ugliest eyesore the city has ever had

  
Kyle Woodman:
Reply to @stephen blunston: I dunno man Kings Place is pretty ugly.


Murray Brown
Reply to @stephen blunston: Nope

   






Colin Seeley
There is nothing historic about this building.


Murray Brown  
Reply to @Colin Seeley: Cry me a river







 
Kyle Woodman
4 million seems like an awfully good deal. Someone is coming out ahead and it isn't the taxpayer.

  
Graham McCormack
Reply to @Kyle Woodman: So the part about saving 60 million isn't good?

   
David Raymond Amos
Reply to @Kyle Woodman: BINGO

 
Kyle Woodman
Reply to @Graham McCormack: I'm just saying it's a prime piece of real estate in downtown Fredericton and $4 million is a fire sale price. We can only sell the thing one time.


David Raymond Amos
Reply to @Kyle Woodman: I agree

  








Tom Gordon
Too much hotel space and restaurants downtown now. It will never fly. Huge waste of money. Would be a better investment to bulldoze the building and make it into a carpark since there is a huge shortage of parking for those who work downtown.!!!

  
Harry McKone
Reply to @Tom Gordon: It's a designated heritage building so I doubt that bulldozing the building is an option.

 
Graham McCormack
Reply to @Tom Gordon: Plenty of parking downtown. Just because it isn't next to your office doesn't mean it isn't there.


stephen blunston   
Reply to @Tom Gordon: who cares if taxpayers are not paying for it

   
Brandon Hubbard
Reply to @Tom Gordon: There is no shortage of parking downtown. There's a lot of street parking, a couple of large mulit-storey garages within a couple of blocks of that site, a smaller garage a few blocks away and a massive about of riverfront wasted on parking. We don't need more parking.

 
David Raymond Amos
Reply to @Harry McKone: Methinks they had no problem bulldozing a far more important heritage building in Fat Fred City N'esy Pas?

Risteen building demolished after heritage designation denied
Pile of rubble remains from building constructed nearly two centuries ago
CBC News · Posted: Sep 21, 2019 4:10 PM AT







Kevin Cormier
Bad move. GNB selling off prime locate adjacent to one of its main offices and Legislature. Plenty of old offices that GNB could shut down and relocate to a new/renovated site.


Graham McCormack
Reply to @Kevin Cormier: Great move. Now there is no need for the government to pay to renovate it.


David Raymond Amos
Reply to @Kevin Cormier: YUP 
 
 
 
 
 
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Surprise Surprise Surprise


https://davidraymondamos3.blogspot.com/2019/03/taxpayers-hit-with-31m-in-cancellation.html





https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/infrastructure-budget-new-brunswick-1.5047546


Taxpayers hit with $31M in cancellation costs after Higgs stops 4 major projects

Province must pay $31M this year after cancelling new Fredericton courthouse and other infrastructure projects


The Progressive Conservative government of Blaine Higgs has stopped work on a new courthouse and refurbished Centennial Building in Fredericton. (Shane Fowler/CBC)

The cancellation of four major Liberal infrastructure projects represents higher costs for taxpayers in the short term, according to figures released by the Blaine Higgs government.

The Finance Department says the scrapping of the projects adds $31 million in expenses to the province's budget this fiscal year.

The cost of building a major piece of infrastructure is normally spread out over the life of the project. But if a project is cancelled after work begins, accounting rules require that the costs be added to the books at that time.

"Costs are primarily associated with paying for and expensing work completed to date on these projects," spokesperson Vicky Deschenes said in an email.


The province has bought land for an 11-kilometre, two-lane bypass leading into Miramichi, but that project was cancelled in December. (Department of Transportation)

She said the cost breakdown is:

  • $16 million for the cancellation of two phases of the Route 11 upgrade.

  • $11 million for the aborted plan to refurbish Fredericton's Centennial Building and construct a new courthouse attached to it.

  • $3 million for the scrapping of a replacement New Brunswick Museum in Saint John.

  • $1 million for road work in the Perth-Andover area that is not going ahead.

Deschenes said some of the costs were offset by savings in other areas, leading to capital account spending projected to be $21.7 million over budget in 2018-19.

The savings from the cancellations will add up in future years when the spread-out costs don't appear on the books.

The $272-million Route 11 project was to twin the highway from north of Shediac to near Bouctouche and to build a bypass road near Miramichi. The province was going to spend $147 million with the rest coming from the federal government.

The new Progressive Conservative government said it will finish one part of the Shediac-Bouctouche section but will cancel the other section as well as the Miramichi bypass.


The new Fredericton courthouse was going to connect to the remaining part of the Centennial Building by a two-storey passageway, but the project was cancelled after construction started. (Joe McDonald/CBC)

Premier Blaine Higgs signalled when he was still opposition leader that he didn't think Route 11 needed the upgrades the Liberals had promised.

And he said last fall that Fredericton didn't need the new courthouse attached to the Centennial Building, a project that would have cost $76 million.

"We don't need more government buildings in this province," he said. "We do this all over the province. We build one here because there's one somewhere else."

At the legislature's public accounts committee last month, the deputy minister of justice told MLAs that a new Fredericton courthouse would address "security concerns" of people using the existing building, which dates to 1930.

Mike Comeau told MLAs that judges, lawyers and staff using the building were reluctant to describe their security concerns in detail.

"Honestly, they don't want to expose any weaknesses to anyone who might have bad ideas," he said.

"So I'm loath to catalogue in detail the specific things that make, for example, the Miramichi courthouse, or the Saint John or the Moncton law courts more desirable than the current justice building in Fredericton."

Former New Brunswick Court of Appeal Chief Justice Ernest Drapeau also complained publicly in 2016 that the court's small hearing room in the building can't accommodate simultaneous translation, despite the requirement that the court function bilingually.

"You may be surprised to know that, but that's a fact," said Drapeau, who applauded the announcement of the new building in early 2017.  

Comeau said after the PCs cancelled the project, officials were asked to assess the "functional and security limitations" of the existing building so that it can be upgraded.

The New Brunswick Museum replacement would have cost provincial taxpayers $50 million.

The cancelled road work in Perth-Andover was a $19 million project to re-engineer the village's downtown, lifting Route 105 above flood level and reconfiguring where it meets Route 109. 

 

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David Amos
David Amos
Surprise Surprise Surprise


kevin james
kevin james
@David Amos
I agree - who would have thought, a conservative government having to come in and make tough choices to stop the liberal bleeding....
 

David Amos
David Amos
@kevin james Are you aware of my idea to pay off our provincial debt and put the budget in a surplus?













Tim Astle
Tim Astle
Less than 8 million per deal? That isn't bad. The other way to look at it is for each project:
* The estimated completion cost is far more.
* Each project will have a cost overrun.

I would not be surprised to see the cost overruns alone would be more than $8 million each. I don't think I've seen a project that doesn't underestimate.


David Amos
David Amos
@Tim Astle True















Claude DeRoche
Claude DeRoche
And unemployment is up .3 % under the Prince of Bermuda's watch,
only the beginning !
Gotta love the CORservatives!


William Reed
William Reed
@Claude DeRoche
We elected a bunch of ideologues who believe in "get your hands off my gigantic pile". Suddenly the rich feel richer as their money starts to gain in meaning when government can no longer do what it is meant to do. I'm sure they' ll offer to buy everything we ever build for 2 cents on the dollar seeing that it's half built and not in any condition t be used.
 

David Amos
David Amos
@Claude DeRoche So says the SANB N'esy Pas?
 

Bob Smith
Bob Smith
@Claude DeRoche I think the lobbying firm Gallant will be going to work for will be hiring.
 

Lewis Taylor
Lewis Taylor
@David Amos
No...we follow the grand pouba leader of the PANB...the real premier of NB
 

David Amos
David Amos
@Lewis Taylor Clearly you have no clue as to who I am












Tim Astle 
Stephen Doran
Unfortunately governments of all stripes enter contracts and make commitments they knowingly can never afford and the citizens are stuck with the bill. Citizens should only vote for politicians that have a moral compass and can be held accountable for their negligence.


Daniel Rawlins
Daniel Rawlins
@Stephen Doran
Sadly when citizens do vote for politicians they believe have a 'Moral Compass' they find that after a year or two in office those 'high-minded politicians seem to loose their compass or it gets broken and they never seem to be able to find the old one or to get a new one....
 

William Reed
William Reed
@Stephen Doran
Governments that do not work at circulating money to a degree that is manageable are actually starving their population of a well being that is attainable. Conservatives are the worst accountants, IMO. They think only of the liabilities column.


David Amos
David Amos
@Stephen Doran Good luck finding a political party willing to be held accountable for their negligence.














Marguerite Deschamps
Marguerite Deschamps
Nothing for those who did not vote for the two COR parties. It is what it is.


David Amos
David Amos
@Marguerite Deschamps Methinks you know as well as I that I didn't vote for any political party I voted for myself because do know how it is N'esy Pas?
 

Lewis Taylor
Lewis Taylor
@David Amos
Your sentence makes absolutely no sense...pull up on the substances.














Tim Astle 
James Reed
It's an accounting issue... the money was already spent, but because the projects have been canceled it can't be amortized of several years and has to be accounted for in the year it was spent... the headline "$31M in cancellation costs" makes it seem like that was the penalty for stopping those projects, but it's actually it's the worth that was already done on those projects - that money is already spent, it now just shows up on this years budget instead of a little bit every year for the next several years.


David Amos
David Amos
@James Reed I believe you are largely correct except that amount may be penalties












Tim Astle 
Mario Doucet
Highway 11 upgrade is simply liberal vote buying.


Graeme Scott
Graeme Scott
@Mario Doucet Exactly Even the government's own engineers at DOT said the highway doesn't carry enough traffic to justify twinning. Most of the concerns could be addressed by some upgrades and the addition of passing lanes. None of which require the dozens of hugely expensive new bridges and overpasses that twinning would need.
 

Michel Girouard
Michel Girouard
@Graeme Scott Exactly, they could upgrade passing lanes in comparison to the highway between Miramichi to Bathurts.
 

David Amos
David Amos
@Mario Doucet YUP
 

Marguerite Deschamps
Marguerite Deschamps
@Mario Doucet, the north will get nothing from the two COR parties.












Graeme Scott
Graeme Scott
Better to take a one time 30 million hit now than to continue down the path of spending 300 million you don't have and can't afford. The credit card is maxed out....reality checks are often unpleasant but you reach a point where they are unavoidable.


Norman Albert Snr
Norman Albert Snr
@Graeme Scott You make those decisions before the signing and penalties awarded.
 

Graeme Scott
Graeme Scott
@Norman Albert Snr Unfortunately, we didn't have a fiscally responsible government when those decisions were taken and contracts signed (Looking at you Mr Gallant)
 

Rosco holt
Rosco holt
@Graeme Scott
Really!?
How fiscally responsible is it that we keep paying for the crownland giveaway.
Higgs could have fixed this months ago by voiding the forestry agreement the Alward government gave industry.

But no he's still lobbying for this subsidy.
 

David Amos
David Amos
@Rosco holt With a stroke of the pen Higgs could reverse primary source of wood from Crown land back to private wood lots like Bernie Lord promised to do in order to get elected the first time many moons ago.. Methinks that would put the Irving Clan's knickers in quite a knot N'esy Pas?
 

David Amos
David Amos
@Graeme Scott "Better to take a one time 30 million hit now than to continue down the path of spending 300 million you don't have and can't afford."

I concur











Tim Astle 
michael.Doyon
conservatives penny wise and pound foolish. some things just never change


kevin james
kevin james
@michael.Doyon

What’s foolish, is the liberal ideology that debt incurred through limitless spending eventually just takes care of itself...
 

Marc Martin
Marc Martin
@kevin james
Its actual a logical decision to spend on infrastructures it creates jobs...
 

Gary Timberlake
Gary Timberlake
@Marc Martin @Kevin James Well said Marc! Agreed.


Les Cooper
Les Cooper
@Marc Martin that would be a make work project.


Rosco holt
Rosco holt
@Les Cooper
It isn't any different than the crownland giveaway. It created jobs for foreigners in Chipman.
 

David Amos
David Amos
@Rosco holt YUP











Tim Astle 
Rosco holt
Guess the budget isn't balance after all. Higgs tax cuts while have to wait.


Brad Little
Brad Little
@Rosco holt At least he's not raising them like the Liberals ALWAYS do. In fact, he's fighting on our behalf against the carbon tax. He's my hero.
 

David Amos
David Amos
@Rosco holt YUP


Marc Martin
Marc Martin
@Rosco holt
It will be worst next year, all these cuts where creating jobs lol, its wise to spend money on infrastructure next years budget will be a diseaster...I am still waiting for him to remove the special gaz tax, lower tax on income and lower the GST ...
 

Les Cooper
Les Cooper
@Marc Martin I see our education system needs some work. Spelling anyway.


Rosco holt
Rosco holt
@Brad Little
His plan was to cut taxes, instead of paying down the debt. He isn't my hero, pay down the debt quickly, then we can look at lowering taxes.

Some of the projects that were cancelled are needed for safety sake.












Tim Astle 
Axel Roosevelt
Who cares, no different than paying an early term fee for breaking your mortgage in order to save in the long term. Great news!


Lewis Taylor
Lewis Taylor
@Axel Roosevelt
Save long term? Having to sell your house to live joblesss in a basement apartment is not a winning strategy.
 

David Amos
David Amos
@Lewis Taylor So you say


Stephanie Price
Stephanie Price
@Lewis Taylor Who said anything about being jobless? Living within your means is always a winning strategy.


David Amos
David Amos
@Stephanie Price I wholeheartedly agree


Norman Albert Snr
Norman Albert Snr
@Axel Roosevelt Except that is not the case here. $31M for doing nothing is just a little overboard. For those having a difficult time with this that is 31 with 000,000,000.00 of tax payers money. So if you had to forgo eating well or fixing the car check with the governments on where they spend your taxes.


Les Cooper
Les Cooper
@Lewis Taylor there is work all over Canada that you could do. Just don't stay in NB. The taxes are way to high here for a **** hole province. Lol
 

Lewis Taylor
Lewis Taylor
@David Amos
I forgot that it hits close to home for you.
 

Axel Roosevelt
Axel Roosevelt
@Lewis Taylor

For all Lew cares he or someone in his family is probably missing out on summer pogey hours as a result of these excellent cancellations, get a real job pal.


Lewis Taylor
Lewis Taylor
@Les Cooper
Don't worry about my job...I worry more about lack of economic development and tax increases for the 40 thousand or so fellow tax payers that keep this province afloat.












Tim Astle 
Lewis Taylor
Not spending money is one thing...leaving money on the table for unfinished projects is stupid. Many contractors are now in a position to sue the government for breach of contract for all the costs they incurred etc....This will not be a moment to remember for this PC govt...let's hope the premier stops acting like a bull in a china shop and an Irving sycophant and starts to make rational decisions.


David Amos
David Amos
@Lewis Taylor Dream on


Marc Martin
Marc Martin
@Lewis Taylor
People voted for him, now they have to live with their mistakes..
 

Lewis Taylor
Lewis Taylor
@Les Cooper
Why does racism always have to come up?












Tim AstleJune Arnott
No vision here! More people to die on Route 11. Blame Higgs.


Harold Wood
Harold Wood
@June Arnott
Drive more carefully

David Amos
David Amos
@Harold Wood Methinks that why motorcyclists such I live long lives N'esy Pas?

Les Cooper
Les Cooper
@June Arnott does anyone even use that road?

Lewis Taylor
Lewis Taylor
@Les Cooper
A lot more cars than on the deserted 4 lane white elephant from St John to Maine!!

Lewis Taylor
Lewis Taylor
@Harold Wood
Real intelligent.









 

Lewis Taylor  
Roger Drisdelle
Surprise, a conservative government with no vision for the future.. Who would of thought... Be...Broke in this place


Gil Murray
Gil Murray
@Roger Drisdelle Yeah like NB was not already broke - $14.5B in debt. Your idea is to get out of debt by spending. How many more government employees do you want to pay for in order to fill all of the capital city office space?

michael.Doyon
michael.Doyon
@Gil Murray what would be wrong with looking at increasing revenue rather than cuts? ....positive verses negative
 

kevin james
kevin james
@michael.Doyon

Like by raising taxes - yeah, that’s a great idea... Raising government “revenues” only leads to higher spending and greater debt serviceability and less accountability - i.e. more debt.....

Feel free to donate more of your hard earned paycheque to the cause. As for me, I lose sleep every night trying to figure out how to keep more of mine.
 

David Amos
David Amos
@kevin james Methinks much to the chagrin of Mr Higgs and his opposition "The Powers That Be" know why I don't lose any sleep over taxation since i was informed that the Feds had deleted my SIN

Truth is stranger than fiction N'esy Pas?
 

Marc Martin
Marc Martin
@Gil Murray
Investing in infrastructure is actually a very logical way to increase revenue, you create jobs. Higgs is lucky he had a surplus left to him by the Liberal government...
 

Gil Murray
Gil Murray
@michael.Doyon If you want to pay more taxes, feel free. If you seriously think that infrastructure projects provide long-term revenue streams, why has it not worked yet. Increased revenue is coming from increased GST. That is why there is a surplus. Keep on buying son, you might bring the debt down.


Derwith Kennedy
Derwith Kennedy
@kevin james So you don't want to contribute your fair share? Why am I not surprised.
 


 
 
 
 

Tuesday, 16 April 2019

Higgs floats idea of moving courthouse into vacant Centennial Building 

 

https://twitter.com/DavidRayAmos/with_replies





Replying to and 47 others
Methinks some folks are beginning to understand why I call the actions of our questionable governments merely a circus N'esy Pas? 


https://davidraymondamos3.blogspot.com/2019/04/higgs-floats-idea-of-moving-courthouse.html





https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/fredericton-courthouse-centennial-building-1.5098463

 

 

Higgs floats idea of moving courthouse into vacant Centennial Building

Idea comes just months after government scrapped $76M Centennial refurbishment and plans for new courthouse


The Higgs government stopped work on a new five-storey courthouse and refurbished Centennial Building in Fredericton in December, promising the public the construction site would get some fencing instead. (Shane Fowler/CBC)

Premier Blaine Higgs is floating a new fix for Fredericton's aging courthouse: moving it into the vacant Centennial Building a few blocks away.

The hints come four months after Higgs's government scrapped a $76 million plan to refurbish the building to house government offices and build a brand-new courthouse attached to it.

Higgs now says the empty Centennial structure itself could house the courthouse, which would give the courts a much-needed new home while avoiding the cost of new construction.

"Can [Centennial] be used as a courthouse, as opposed to building a whole new building?" he said in a recent interview with CBC News.

In December the new Progressive Conservative government cancelled several major infrastructure projects worth more than $200 million in a bid to reduce spending and long-term debt.
In a speech in Saint John on April 5, Higgs described discussions with officials about the two-pronged project announced by the previous Liberal government in 2017.

"We're building a new building behind the building, the Centennial Building. Why would we do that?"
The Centennial Building "is 150,000 square feet," Higgs said. "Well, how big does this [courthouse] need to be? About 150,000 square feet. Well, there's a start."


The Justice Building on Queen Street used to be a teachers college but now houses provincial court, the Court of Queen's Bench and Court of Appeal. (CBC)
 
He told the luncheon crowd that the province did not need more office space for government but that officials had gone "back to the drawing board" with Justice Department officials "to talk about what is needed in a courthouse."

The Fredericton courthouse, built in 1930, houses local provincial court and Court of Queen's Bench courtrooms as well as the New Brunswick Court of Appeal.

It lacks secure separate entrances to keep the public, accused persons and judges away from each other — a hallmark of modern justice buildings, including recently built courthouses in Saint John and Moncton.

The Court of  Appeal also lacks simultaneous translation facilities.

Former Court of Queen's Bench Chief Justice David Smith said when he retired in March that the building needs replacing.

"I don't think there's any doubt about that."

One wing of the Centennial Building had already been demolished to make room for the new building when the PCs took power last fall. The decision to cancel the project left a large, unsightly vacant site in the heart of Fredericton.

Lawyers group encouraged


The organization representing lawyers in the province says it's encouraged by Higgs's comments and by meetings with Justice Minister Andrea Anderson-Mason.

"We've have some very productive discussions and we're optimistic that a solution will be found fairly shortly," said Justin Robichaud, president of the Canadian Bar Association's New Brunswick chapter.

"Everyone who has visited the current Fredericton courthouse agrees that the current situation isn't viable and that a new location is required," he said.

"Whether it's the model approved by the former government or whether there are other options that would be viable is something that's still up for discussion."

The Department of Transportation and Infrastructure did not have any immediate comment on Higgs's remarks or how long it would take for a decision on using the Centennial Building. There is no funding in this year's capital budget for the work.

About the Author


Jacques Poitras
Provincial Affairs reporter
Jacques Poitras has been CBC's provincial affairs reporter in New Brunswick since 2000. Raised in Moncton, he also produces the CBC political podcast Spin Reduxit. 



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David R. Amos
Methinks some folks are beginning to understand why I call the actions of our questionable governments merely a circus N'esy Pas? 


David R. Amos
Reply to @David R. Amos: Gee All I hear is crickets












Matt Steele
Sounds like a good idea as the Centennial Building is already sitting empty , so why build a new building when the govt. already owns the Centennial Building . Although the Centennial Building looks to be a very large building just for a Courthouse . N.B. only has around a 750, 000 people ; and one of the oldest populations in Canada . Does a Province this small really need these huge Courthouses ?


Marc Martin
Reply to @Matt Steele: You do realize that the renovation plan for the centennial building was cancelled by Higgs right ? Loose the blue glasses...
 

David R. Amos 
Reply to @Matt Steele: Methinks in return you should tell your SANB buddy to quit chugging the Red Kool Aid N'esy Pas? 


Marc Martin
Reply to @David R. Amos: Someone yanked you chain again Davis ?


David R. Amos  
Reply to @Marc Martin: YOU







 



Evan Day
So was the Premier not do his homework when this project was cancelled? At that time, he seemed to suggest that there was no need for a new court house - now all of a sudden he understands that there is? If this idea goes ahead, I can't wait to see how much it's going to cost. There's no way that stopping the first project, undoing part of that work, paying the associated penalties, redoing the designs to now put the court in the remaining building, and actually carrying out the redesign will cost less than if the initial project had just proceeded as planned. No. Way.


David R. Amos  
Reply to @Evan Day: Methinks Mr Higgs did not secure a government mandate based on common sense. It was the PANB that supports him that goes on an on about that N'esy Pas? 
 

David R. Amos 
Methinks Mr Higgs forgot about the asbestos N'esy Pas?
 

Lou Bell
Reply to @David R. Amos: Been all cleared out . Where ye been ?
 

David R. Amos  
Reply to @Lou Bell: Clearly not in Fat Fred City N'esy Pas?
 

David R. Amos  
Reply to @Lou Bell: BTW when the Centennial Building was first opened my Father has a corner office on the fifth floor Do you recall what his job was and who my Mother married after he died? 


Murry Brown
Reply to @David R. Amos: ... That only gets into your lungs when you breathe... As long as you hold your breath you'll be fine.








 
Al Clark
Maybe hired shawn G or bernie L as consultants??
 

David R. Amos  
Reply to @Al Clark: Methinks he has had Bernie in his corner all along N'esy Pas? 










 
Trevis L. Kingston
Instead of new buildings to accommodate court proceedings that are backlogged because of 9 to 5 workdays... I would suggest Night Courts to facilitate expediency to justice.
Many New Brunswickers work "shift work"... why not Judges and lawyers as well?
By using courts 24/6... justice will not only be seen to be done... but quicker as well.
And by utilizing court spaces in a "shift" manner... less NEW courtroom buildings will be needed.
Violent and criminal cases in the day... other less demanding cases at night.  
 

Rosco holt
Reply to @James Vander:
And yet Higgs hired his Irving colleagues has consultants. Too bad that belt tightening doesn't apply to political appointments.
 

Harold Benson 
Reply to @Rosco holt: He knows most of the voters are numified.
 

David R. Amos 
Reply to @Harold Benson: "He knows most of the voters are numified"

Methinks Sam should have told you that everybody knows that . N'esy Pas? 


 

https://davidraymondamos3.blogspot.com/2018/12/the-liebrano-propaganda-machine-aka-cbc.html

 

Saturday, 15 December 2018

The LIEBrano Propaganda Machine aka the CBC shows its fat nasty arse BIGTIME after I sent them an email

FYI After I sent the email found below the LIEbrano Propaganda Machine deleted all the comments in here and began again.




 https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/centennial-building-fredreicton-courthouse-1.4944275

Scroll down to review the difference for yourself


In return for all the malicious nonsense practiced against me this week by CBC I just made just a few comments after that then watched and recorded some of the Circus in the CBC comment sections between the LIEbrano/SANB/Watermelon ad the Conservative/PANB  party supporters. Methinks they deserve each other N'esy Pas?

   


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From: "Gallant, Brian (LEG)" <Brian.Gallant@gnb.ca>
Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2018 09:50:02 +0000
Subject: RE: YO Blaine Higgs Ya think that Jacques Poitras of CBC (LIEbrano Propaganda Machine)) would understand what he writes about you N'esy Pas???
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Subject: YO Blaine Higgs Ya think that Jacques Poitras of CBC (LIEbrano Propaganda Machine)) would understand what he writes about you N'esy Pas???
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David Amos
Methinks CBC should read what they write However if a lawsuit were to
happen I would have every right to intervene and argue all the lawyers
trying to make buck off of the matter N'esy Pas?

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/francophonie-games-new-brunswick-costs-higgs-1.4945716

"Former Liberal ministers said this week that they had not signed a
"cahier des charges" — a binding document laying out the province's
commitment to the games — as expected in June."


https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/francophonie-games-organizing-committee-brian-gallant-friends-1.4943848


daryl doucette
Now Liberal Roger Melanson , on the Global News tonight, is hinting at
the next step re these " Francophoney Games" and that would be that
New Brunswick could be sued for the FULL COST of the games if we don't
" Go ahead" and host them, cost irrelevant. My god they are a
pathetic, desperate lot. Mr. Melanson should be removed YESTERDAY from
government for daring to make this statement threatening us.. I wonder
what he would have gained financially if this scam was allowed to
continue?

    10 hours ago

Tom Wright
@daryl doucette melanson is another puppet.

    10 hours ago


David Amos
@daryl doucette "Now Liberal Roger Melanson , on the Global News
tonight, is hinting at the next step re these " Francophoney Games"
and that would be that New Brunswick could be sued for the FULL COST
of the games if we don't " Go ahead" and host them, cost irrelevant."

Methinks if that were to happen I would have every every right to
intervene and argue all the lawyers trying to make buck off of the
matter N'esy Pas?

  10 hours ago




$13M has been spent, but cancelling Fredericton courthouse worth the savings, says minister

No money has been allocated for the project in next 5 years


Demolition of the Centennial Building was already underway when the project was put on indefinite hold. (Shane Fowler/CBC)

 
After $13.05 million worth of work, the Centennial Building and courthouse project is on indefinite hold.

Construction crews on-site are now removing equipment, leaving behind an empty building and a levelled lot next to Fredericton's convention centre, provincial legislature and brand-new Hilton Garden Inn hotel.

Minister of Transportation and Infrastructure Bill Oliver said the Progressive Conservative government has allocated no money to the project in its five-year capital budget plan.

Dropping the project was part of the capital budget presentation this week by the minority government.

The plan now for the downtown property is to do some tidying up and add some fencing.




CBC News
Centennial Building and courthouse project cancelled

 After $13.5 million’s worth of cleanup, demolition and foundation laying,the Centennial Building and courthouse project has been cancelled. 0:36



"We're saving approximately $60 million in construction costs," Oliver said in defence of halting a project already underway. "We're not incurring those costs, I should say."

Oliver said the taxpayer money already spent is considered a loss.

"We know there are going to be costs associated with cancelling the project. But we want to secure the site. And we'll be backfilling the hole, and installing some fencing and security cameras.''

Exterior of the Fredericton courthouse on Queen Street. (CBC)

The project was budgeted to cost $76 million, and work, including demolition and cleanup, began in 2017.

The goal was to renovate the Centennial Building, which was opened in 1967, and build a new six-storey courthouse over five years.
The concept here is that we do not need more government buildings in this province. We do not need more in this city.- Blaine Higgs , premier
As of this month, $13.05 million has either been spent or "committed" to contractors, said Paul Bradley,  a spokesperson for the Department of Transportation and Infrastructure.
Nothing is planned for the site now.
Work already done on the project includes demolition of the back wing and boiler plant of the Centennial Building, interior demolition, and the removal of hazardous materials on the remaining structure, he said.

"The foundations and steel structure contract for the courthouse has just started," Bradley said.


The new Fredericton courthouse was going to connect to the remaining part of the Centennial Building by a two-storey passageway. (Joe McDonald/CBC)

The Centennial Building mainly housed government offices.

During question period Wednesday, Green Party Leader David Coon and MLA Stephen Horsman both criticized Premier Blaine Higgs for forsaking the project.

"The situation that exists in that courthouse is disgraceful, and the reason for a new courthouse has nothing to do with spending unneeded money," Coon said.

Horsman said this decision "represents a huge loss."

A design of the new Fredericton courthouse, which may not come to fruition in the next five years. (Joe McDonald/CBC)

"This project was going to allow quicker access for families and for those who are struggling with mental illness," he said.

"This was also going to assist with a more secure place for people to work. Everyone — judges, police officers, sheriffs, civilians, workers and the clients who are going through the system — would have been safer."

Horsman asked Higgs if he would consult with different departments, including with the minister of public safety, before making a final decision.

"The decision has been made" Higgs responded. "This is the point. Here we are.
"The concept here is that we do not need more government buildings in this province. We do not need more in this city."

He said the government will look at the current courthouse and see how it can be improved.

"It is not a matter of just building another courthouse because there is one in Moncton, there is one in Saint John," he said. "This is a tough decision being made, and it is being made for the right reasons."
With files from Shane Fowler


21 Comments



David Amos 
David Amos
Methinks CBC should read what they write However if a lawsuit were to happen I would have every right to intervene and argue all the lawyers trying to make buck off of the matter N'esy Pas?

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/francophonie-games-new-brunswick-costs-higgs-1.4945716

"Former Liberal ministers said this week that they had not signed a "cahier des charges" — a binding document laying out the province's commitment to the games — as expected in June."


 David Amos 
David Amos
"The decision has been made" Higgs responded. "This is the point. Here we are."

Methinks that is true but the question is for how long N'esy Pas?








 Jim Cyr 
Jim Cyr
Everyone SAYS that they are fiscally conservative, but they mean that only in theory.
Give them even a little taste of actual fiscal conservatism, and their true colors come out (i.e. tax and spenders).


Marguerite Deschamps
Marguerite Deschamps
@Jim Cyr, they cut everything; then they favour big business. We always get crumbs from the CORservatives.

Johnny Horton
Johnny Horton
@Jim Cyr

Isn’t that how people are in general? I mean almost everyone I know as their career has progressed and their salaries have, have increased their lifestyle to their salary. Rather than live at the same level as before and save the extra.

David Amos
David Amos
@Marguerite Deschamps Surprise Surprise Surprise








 Jim Cyr 
Jason banks
Its nice to see debate actually happening again in the legislature.... questions being answered not avoided, acting like adults instead of a bunch of rich kids with daddys card, and childish theartics. The spending is still too much. There is no more money. Interest rates are going no where but up. Every dollar spent any anythign but paying down debt is goign to cost $4-5 to our kids. Reality bites.


David Amos
David Amos
@Jason banks "Its nice to see debate actually happening again in the legislature"

I am enjoying the Circus too










 Layton Bennett 
Layton Bennett
Fix the massive property tax discounts on industrial properties, and we can have deficit fixed in a couple of years, the problem isn't the money going out, so much as it's a lack of revenue coming in.


David Amos
David Amos
@Layton Bennett Methinks it certainly would put a dent in the deficit However it won't fix the debt N'esy Pas?









 Matt Steele 
Matt Steele
Not much choice but to shut the project down after several years of wild out of control spending which has doubled the N.B. debt to over 14 BILLION . The prov. is broke , and has not had a balanced budget in years . Higgs has inherited a province on the brink of financial ruin....the gravy train had to end sometime .


cheryl wright
cheryl wright
@Matt Steele I agree. new projects are great but if you cannot afford them you cannot afford them. do you put in an inground pool at your house even though you cant afford the mortgage payments? no. some things have to be put on the back burner or stopped completely. thank you mr higgs. thank you for being responsible

David Amos
David Amos
@cheryl wright "do you put in an inground pool at your house even though you cant afford the mortgage payments?"

Methinks many would agree that many liberals do N'esy Pas?


Rosco holt
Rosco holt
@Matt Steele
So when will Higgs stop the gravy train he ,his colleagues and friends of the conservative party enjoy?









 Jim Cyr 
June Arnott
Nothing right can be done in this province. People get into power and throw money to friends then new ones come in and stop that so that they can throw contracts to their friends. Corruption everywhere you look no matter what.
(Read between the lines people)


David Amos
David Amos
@June Arnott Methinks everybody knows that I have been saying the same thing for years while running for public office 6 times thus far. Whereas nobody cared I have the right to say that we get the governments we deserve N'esy Pas?









 Chris Waddell 
Chris Waddell
WOW After all of that work.. Hiring all of those people.... Then they just plop the plan in the garbage can (more or less), RIGHT before the Christmas season.... This city and province never cease to astound and amaze..


Marguerite Deschamps
Marguerite Deschamps
@Chris Waddell, they want the contracts to go to their friends.

Johnny Horton
Johnny Horton
@Marguerite Deschamps

The building is fifty years old and full of contaminates, it never should have been planned to be renovated in the first place.

David Amos
David Amos
@Chris Waddell Merry Xmass

Rosco holt
Rosco holt
@Johnny Horton
So you want them to build a new one instead?




Round TWO



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Graeme Scott
 Graeme Scott
So what happens to the remaining portion of the Centennial building? From what I can gather from the article it is empty and has already had some interior demolition.....correct? Is it to sit as a derelict eyesore in the middle of downtown Fredericton indefinitely? I agree with most of Higgs' spending cuts but this one is a bit of a head scratcher. Am I missing something?


David Amos
David Amos
@Graeme Scott Methinks many folks know that you are not the first one to comment about this matter N'esy Pas?

David Amos
David Amos
@Graeme Scott "Am I missing something?"

YUP there were at least 21 comments in here before you


Graeme Scott
Graeme Scott
@David Amos ???? Weird I only see 7 comments to this story displayed and mine was the first

David Amos
David Amos
@Graeme Scott Trust that I saved them all



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