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How Hungary's Péter Magyar went from Viktor Orbán's ally to ending his 16-year rule

Magyar once idolized Viktor Orbán but recently became disillusioned with ruling party

Thomson Reuters · Posted: Apr 12, 2026 6:34 PM EDT

When Péter Magyar was a child, he taped a photo of Viktor Orbán, then an anti-communist firebrand, on his bedroom wall, thrilled by Hungary's first democratic elections in 1990.

Decades later, he ended Orbán's 16-year rule as prime minister in an election that brought a record-high turnout and was expected to rattle Russia and send shockwaves through right-wing circles across the West, including U.S. President Donald Trump's White House.

Magyar's center-right, pro-European Union Tisza party beat Orbán's nationalist Fidesz party in ‌Sunday's parliamentary election. Partial results showed Tisza would win 137 seats, or a two-thirds majority, in the 199-seat parliament.

Only nine years old when communism collapsed, Magyar said he had decorated his walls with photos of leading political figures in his Budapest family home.

Orbán, then a young lawyer, had become a hero of Hungary's pro-democracy movement when he publicly demanded in 1989 that Soviet troops leave the country.

WATCH | Orbán concedes to Magyar:
 
 
Orbán defeated in Hungary’s election
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Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orbán conceded defeat on Sunday after what he called a 'painful' election result.

"There was a surge of energy around the regime change that swept me up as a child," Magyar told the Fokuszcsoport podcast last year.

Magyar, whose family name literally means "Hungarian," burst into the limelight two years ago after his ex-wife, Orbán's former justice minister Judit Varga, resigned from all political roles after a sex-abuse case pardon that caused public uproar.

Magyar quickly distanced himself from the governing party and accused it of corruption and spreading propaganda, saying he had become disillusioned with Fidesz.

Just four months after emerging from near-total obscurity with an interview at YouTube channel Partizan, Magyar’s new party won 30 per cent in ⁠the June 2024 European elections, finishing second to ⁠Fidesz and crushing the rest of the opposition.

Broad implications

Orbán's defeat has significant implications not ‌only for Hungary but for Europe and its populist far right.

Orbán has sought to create what he calls an "illiberal democracy" since 2010, curbing media freedoms and NGO activities, and weakening the independence of the judiciary.

He has forged good relations with Russian President Vladimir Putin and also with Trump, but he has clashed repeatedly with the EU, which suspended billions of euros in funding due to concerns over Hungary's democratic standards.

A sign shaped like a Russian nesting doll is seen during a protest.
A sign depicting Orbán and Russian President Vladimir Putin as a nesting doll is seen during a demonstration in Budapest on Sunday. (Katie Pedersen/CBC)

By contrast, Magyar has pledged to ⁠rebuild Hungary's Western orientation and end its dependence on Russian energy by 2035 while striving for "pragmatic relations" with Moscow. He has also promised to unlock the frozen EU funds, which would help revive Hungary's stagnant economy.

"On the first day we need to pass anti-corruption measures and we need to submit our application to join the European Prosecutor's Office," Magyar said on Sunday morning after casting ‌his vote.

But he has trodden carefully during the election campaign, keen not to scare away more conservative voters.

A person on a stage addresses a crowd of flag-waving supporters.
Magyar addresses his supporters during a rally in Budapest on March 15. (Denes Erdos/The Associated Press)

Unlike Orbán, he does not reject in principle Ukraine's right to join the EU one day, but Tisza's program does not support fast-track entry for Kyiv. Like Fidesz, Tisza opposes EU quotas for taking in migrants, and it would also keep in place a border fence built under Orbán to keep out illegal migrants.

But analysts say tensions between Budapest and the EU — further aggravated by Orbán's veto of a 90-billion euro (around $146 billion Cdn) aid package for Kyiv — could ease under Tisza.

"Orbán has lost faith in the current form and direction of European integration, and is pursuing a policy of vetoes and obstruction," said ⁠Botond Feledy, a geopolitical analyst at Red Snow Consulting.

"Tisza has no objection in principle to integration and would pitch its battles at a practical level."

'Conflict with the system'

Magyar drew ⁠from Orbán's playbook in this election, waging a grassroots campaign that took him into Fidesz's rural heartlands.

His rallies always featured lots of national flags, in an Orbán-style appeal to ⁠Hungarian voters' ⁠patriotism.

His consistent and clear messages, and skilful use of social media have all contributed to his rapid rise, said Gabor Toka, senior research fellow at the Vera and Donald Blinken Open Society Archives.

Two people take a selfie amid a crowd.
Magyar takes a selfie with a supporter during a campaign stop in Miskolc, Hungary, on Friday. (Marton Monus/Reuters)

"Many people are also reassured by the story of someone who has irrevocably come into conflict with the system, ⁠and has no way back," he said, referring to Magyar's break with Orbán.

Born in 1981 into a family of lawyers, Magyar also studied law. He married Varga in 2006, and when her career took her to Brussels, Magyar joined Hungary's diplomatic corps and worked on EU legislation.

After returning to Hungary, he joined a state bank and then headed a student-loan agency.

Magyar and Varga, who divorced in 2023, have three sons.

Magyar describes himself as religious and says he enjoys cooking and playing soccer with his friends and sons.

Asked in December how he had changed since ⁠going into politics, Magyar alluded to media reports that describe ‌him as short-tempered, saying: "Now I count to 10."

 
 
 
 
 
 

Trump STUNNED as HUNGARY OUSTS VIKTOR ORBAN!!!

 
Apr 12, 2026
MeidasTouch host Ben Meiselas reports on the historic election in Hungary where the pro-democracy and pro-European Union TISZA Party led by Peter Magyar has won big against pro-MAGA and pro-Putin FIDESZ Party led by Viktor Orban and Magyar will be Hungary’s new Prime Minister.
 

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After 16 years in power, Hungary's Orbán concedes 'painful' election loss to rival Magyar

Record voter turnout delivered election result with global repercussions

 
The Associated Press · Posted: Apr 12, 2026 6:43 AM EDT


Hungary's Orbán concedes 'painful' election loss to Magyar following 16 years in power
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Duration 4:26
 
Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orbán conceded defeat to opposition leader Péter Magyar on Sunday after what he called a 'painful' election result, ending his 16-year reign. The powerful figure in the far-right movement was allied with U.S. President Donald Trump and Russian President Vladimir Putin.

Hungarian voters on Sunday ousted long-serving Prime Minister Viktor Orbán after 16 years in power, rejecting the authoritarian policies and global far-right movement that he embodied in favour of a pro-European challenger in a bombshell election result with global repercussions.

Election victor Péter Magyar, a former Orbán loyalist who campaigned against corruption and on everyday issues like health care and public transport, has pledged to rebuild Hungary's relationships with the European Union and NATO — ties that frayed under Orbán. European leaders were quick to congratulate Magyar.

It's not yet clear whether Magyar's Tisza party will have the two-thirds majority in parliament to govern without a coalition. With 93 per cent of the vote counted, it had more than 53 per cent support to 37 per cent for Orbán's governing Fidesz party and looked set to win 94 of Hungary’s 106 voting districts.

It's a stunning blow for Orbán, a close ally of both U.S. President Donald Trump and Russian President Vladimir Putin. Orbán conceded defeat after what he called a "painful" election result.

"I congratulated the victorious party, Orbán told followers. "We are going to serve the Hungarian nation and our homeland from opposition," he said.

This composite image shows two people on stage.
Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orbán, right, conceded an election defeat to rival Péter Magyar on Sunday. (Leonhard Foeger, Bernadett Szabo/Reuters)

In a speech to tens of thousands of jubilant supporters at a victory party along the Danube River in Budapest, Magyar said his voters had rewritten Hungarian history.

"Tonight, truth prevailed over lies. Today, we won because Hungarians didn't ask what their homeland could do for them — they asked what they could do for their homeland. You found the answer. And you followed through," he said.

Some of those who rallied along the Danube were former Orbán supporters.

"Sixteen years ago, I voted for Orbán's party and I was so happy that they won with two-thirds, and ever since it has been a struggle to keep the hope up," Emőke Csernus told CBC News.

"This was 16 years in the making, and we made it happen."

Some in the crowd praised Magyar's Tisza party for its historic win and others calling for Orbán to be imprisoned.

A demonstrator waves a flag near a parliament building.
A Magyar supporter waves a Hungarian flag near Tisza's election party on the bank of the Danube, across from Hungary's parliament building, on Sunday. (Katie Pedersen/CBC)

Orbán, the European Union's longest-serving leader and one of its biggest antagonists, has travelled a long road from his early days as a liberal, anti-Soviet firebrand to the Russia-friendly nationalist admired today by the global far-right.

During his tenure, many Hungarians grew increasingly weary of Orbán, 62, after years of economic stagnation and soaring living costs as well as reports of oligarchs close to the government amassing more wealth.

The landslide victory of the Tisza party is also expected to mark a turning point for Hungary, which under Orbán battled with its EU neighbours while developing closer ties with the Kremlin.

A sign shaped like a Russian nesting doll is seen during a protest.
A sign depicting Orbán and Russian President Vladimir Putin in a nesting doll is held up during a demonstration by Magyar supporters in Budapest on Sunday. (Katie Pedersen/CBC)

As the swelling crowd of voters celebrated by singing traditional Hungarian songs, they also repeatedly chanted, "Russian go away."

Mark Szekeres, 22, had Hungarian flags painted on his face, but waved a large blue-and-gold EU flag by his side. 

"This election was about a clash of civilizations. Either you belong in a Western-type democracy or an Eastern-type dictatorship," he told CBC News.

A person with their face painted and holding a flag poses for a photo.
Mark Szekeres says he believes Magyar's election win will bring Hungary closer to its EU allies. (Katie Pedersen/CBC)

Turnout by 6:30 p.m. local time was over 77 per cent, according to the National Election Office, a record number in any election in Hungary's post-communist history.

The parties of both Orbán and Magyar said they had received reports of electoral violations, suggesting some results could be disputed by both sides.

"I'm asking our supporters and all Hungarians: Let's stay peaceful, cheerful, and if the results confirm our expectations, let's throw a big, Hungarian carnival," Magyar said.

Mark Radnai, Tisza's vice-president, also called for reconciliation after a tense campaign. "We can't be each other's enemies. Reach out, hug your neighbours, your relatives. It's the day of reunification."

'Choice between East or West'

The EU will be waiting to see what Magyar does about Ukraine.

Orbán has repeatedly frustrated EU efforts to support Ukraine in its war against Russia's full-scale invasion, while cultivating close ties to Putin and refusing to end Hungary's dependence on Russian fossil fuel imports.

Recent revelations have shown a top member of Orbán's government frequently shared the contents of EU discussions with Moscow, raising accusations that Hungary was acting on Russia's behalf within the bloc.

People stand in line at a polling station.
People line up inside a Budapest polling station on Sunday. (Denes Erdos/The Associated Press)

Orbán occupied an outsized role in far-right populist politics worldwide.

Members of Trump's Make America Great Again (MAGA) movement are among those who see Orbán's government and his Fidesz political party as shining examples of conservative, anti-globalist politics in action, while he is reviled by advocates of liberal democracy and the rule of law.

After casting his vote, Magyar told reporters that the election was "a choice between East or West, propaganda or honest public discourse, corruption or clean public life."

Casting his ballot in Budapest, Marcell Mehringer, 21, said he was voting "primarily so that Hungary will finally be a so-called European country, and so that young people, and really everyone, will do their fundamental civic duty to unite this nation a bit and to break down these boundaries borne of hatred."

Voters in traditional Hungarian dresses fill out ballot in a polling station.
Voters in traditional Hungarian dresses fill out ballots at a polling station in Veresegyhaz on Sunday. (Peter Kohalmi/AFP/Getty Images)

During his 16 years as prime minister, Orbán launched harsh crackdowns on minority rights and media freedoms, subverted many of Hungary's institutions and has been accused of siphoning large sums of money into the coffers of his allied business elite, an allegation he denies.

He also heavily strained Hungary's relationship with the EU. Although Hungary is one of the smaller EU countries, with a population of 9.5 million, Orbán has repeatedly used his veto to block decisions that require unanimity.

Most recently, he blocked a 90-billion euro ($145 billion Cdn) EU loan to Ukraine, prompting his partners to accuse him of hijacking the critical aid.

With files from CBC's Briar Stewart


 
 
 

Viktor Orbán spent 16 years building Hungary's 'illiberal' democracy. On Sunday, he may be voted out

A number of independent polls suggest Orbán’s party trails the opposition Tisza, led by Péter Magyar


Briar Stewart · CBC News · Posted: Apr 11, 2026 7:41 PM EDT
 
 
Viktor Orbán's long rule could be ended by pivotal Hungary election
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Duration 3:21
 
Hungarians are heading to the polls to vote in a landmark parliamentary election on Sunday that could end the 16-year reign of Prime Minister Viktor Orbán. Opinion polls suggest he and his nationalist Fidesz party will lose power to the centre-right, pro-European Union Tisza party, led by former Orbán loyalist Péter Magyar.

In the hours before polling stations opened up across Hungary, while candidates wrapped up last-minute campaigning in cities and villages spanning the Hungarian plains, a sense of nervousness swept through the electorate ahead of what's being seen as a pivotal vote. 

Independent polls have suggested that Viktor Orbán's Fidesz party could lose to the opposition party Tisza, which is led by Péter Magyar, a one-time Fidesz loyalist-turned-challenger.

Loyal supporters of Hungary's strongman fear an end to his 16-year-rule, while those who have been campaigning against him for years are worried a surge in opposition support still may not be enough to clench the two-thirds majority they covet. 

"I'm really scared ... to be honest," said 26-year-old Gergely Lázár, who spoke to CBC News while attending a Tisza rally in the Hungarian town of Újfehértó.

"Viktor Orbán has been in his position for a very long time, and I don't think it will be very easy to give up his power."

Viktor Orbán speaks to a crowd of supportors holding Hungarian flags.
After 16 years as Hungary's prime minister, Viktor Orbán may face election defeat with polls suggesting the opposition Tisza party could secure a majority. (Benjamin Hall/CBC)

Long-time leader

Orbán, who is the European Union's longest-serving prime minister, is a polarizing figure at home and abroad. 

His critics accuse him of creating an iron grip on the state by exerting control over the judiciary and the media, and enabling rampant corruption.

But his self-described quest to create a so-called illiberal democracy in Hungary has earned him praise from the far right as well as some in the U.S. MAGA movement.

Orbán's vision is for a democracy that is not bound by liberal norms but that prioritizes family, country and what the state considers traditional values. His approach has coincided with more state control, hostility toward foreign institutions and independent media, along with anti-immigration policies.

U.S. Vice-President JD Vance visited Budapest earlier this week to openly lend his support to Orbán's re-election campaign. 

Orbán's friendly ties with Washington and Moscow, and his fractious discord with the EU, mean Hungary's election is being closely watched by many more than the nearly ten million people who live in Hungary. 

The outcome of the election has the potential to reshape the country's international relations.

Lázár, who works as an architect in eastern Hungary and has considered leaving the country because of the political climate, sums up the choice voters need to make. 

"It's very simple," he said. "We decide between West or East, Europe or Russia."

Man stands among crowd of Tisza supporters.
Gergely Lázár stands with fellow Tisza supporters at a rally in Újfehértó on Saturday, one day before Hungary's election. (Katie Pedersen/CBC)

Party loyalist to challenger

Lázár spoke to CBC News as he waited for Magyar to show up for one of his final campaign stops on Saturday, which included visiting a district that is traditionally considered a Fidesz stronghold. 

Magyar, whose last name means Hungarian, admitted to being inspired by Orbán when he was young, even taping a picture of him to his wall. 

But two years ago, after his ex-wife who was serving as Orbán's minister of justice resigned because of public backlash over a pardon related to a sex-abuse case, he called out the party, accusing it of corruption and propaganda.

During one of the campaign rallies on Saturday, he repeatedly compared Orbán's government to the Mafia.

"Hungarian history is being written here on streets and squares," Magyar told the crowd on Saturday.

"Not in Moscow, not in Brussels, not in Washington."

While Magyar focused much of his campaign on domestic issues, like health care, education and infrastructure, he and his party are pro-European Union and want to reset ties with other member countries.

Péter Magyar stands on stage in front of cheering supporters holding flags
Péter Magyar, leader of Hungary's opposition party, speaks to supporters on April 11 in Újfehértó. He is standing in front of a sign that translates to 'Now' with 'Or never' crossed out. (Katie Pedersen/CBC)

EU friction

Billions of euros worth of funds have been frozen by the European Commission because of concerns related to  Hungary's democratic backsliding, including instances of corruption and lack of rights and freedoms for minority groups. 

Hungary, which is heavily reliant on Russian oil and gas, has repeatedly clashed with the EU over Ukraine, and Orbán has repeatedly blocked or delayed aid and loans for Kyiv as well as sanction packages targeting Russia.

Most recently, Orbán has accused Kyiv of not acting fast enough to repair the Druzbha pipeline, which Ukraine says was damaged in a Russian drone attack. 

The pipeline carries Russian oil to eastern and central Europe. As part of the dispute over the repairs, Orbán has been trying to block a 90 billion euro loan to Ukraine. 

A Viktor Orbán supporter holds a sign that reads 'stop war' in hungarian, with images of opposition leader Péter Maygar and Ukranian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy
A sign translating to 'Stop war' implies that voting for opposition leader Péter Magyar will force Hungary into the war in Ukraine — a key campaign message from incumbent government party Fidesz. (Briar Stewart/CBC)

The Ukraine factor 

The war in Ukraine has been at the centre of Orbán's re-election campaign, which is designed to foster fear around the idea that Hungary could be dragged into the conflict at any moment. 

Images of Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy are plastered on Fidesz posters, suggesting that Hungary's opposition could lead the country into war,

At a rally on Friday in Székesfehérvár, a city southwest of Budapest, Orbán went as far as to say that the choice to be made in Hungary's election was about whether to support him or Ukraine's president. 

In the same speech, Orbán repeatedly said he is the only leader who can deliver peace and security. It's a message that seems to resonate with Fidesz supporters. 

Listening in a crowd of hundreds waving Hungarian flags was 18-year-old Milan, who didn't provide his last name.

He said that he believes the current government has made Hungary a good place for young people. While wages might be higher in countries like Germany, he said peace and stability are most important and are what's at stake in this election. 

Mother and Son stand smiling with Hungarian flag among crowd of Fidesz supporters
Eighteen-year-old Milan and his mother Erika, 52, support Viktor Orbán's Fidesz party and believe that peace and security are at stake in the election. (Briar Stewart/CBC)

Election observers

The election is being observed by local and international monitors, including a team from the Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe (OSCE). In a recent report, it noted that much of the campaigning in the run-up to the vote has been "underpinned by increasingly fear-mongering messaging."

The OSCE noted concerns around the electoral districts, which were redrawn in December 2024 and have been criticized as being favourable to the ruling government. 

Hungarians do not directly elect the prime minister, but elect 199 members of parliament through a mix of voting for local representatives and selecting from national party lists.

"We can say with confidence that there is very heavy gerrymandering," said Andrea Virag, the strategic director of Republikon Intézet, a Budapest-based independent think-tank that is focused on democratic governance and public policy. 

Virag said she considers the country’s election to be free but not fair, given that the majority of the media are either controlled by or affiliated with the government and that the lines between party and state funds are extremely blurred.

"Average citizens cannot follow anymore when state funds are being used, when Fidesz is using their own resources, they have essentially become one and the same."

ABOUT THE AUTHOR

Briar Stewart

Foreign Correspondent

Briar Stewart is a CBC correspondent, based in London. During her nearly two decades with CBC, she has reported across Canada and internationally. She can be reached at briar.stewart@cbc.ca or on X @briarstewart.




 


Trump administration doing all it can to get Hungary's Orban re-elected

Viktor Orban has solicited testimonials from allies around the world amid pitched battle with Peter Magyar

 
Chris Iorfida · CBC News · Posted: Mar 26, 2026 8:01 AM EDT
 
 
Two cleanshaven older Caucasian men in suit and tie shake hands. One is seated, another is rising from his seat.
U.S. President Donald Trump shakes hands with Prime Minister of Hungary Viktor Orban, left, during a signing ceremony on his Board of Peace initiative at the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland, on Jan. 22. (Markus Schreiber/The Associated Press)

U.S. President Donald Trump wants it be known that Hungarians should re-elect Viktor Orban, in case it wasn't already abundantly clear.

"I was proud to ENDORSE Viktor for Re-Election in 2022, and am honored to do so again," Trump said in a Truth Social post on Tuesday night.

In truth, Trump has backed Orban at least twice before already this year. He also lavished praise on Orban's bid for a sixth term as Hungary's prime minister on TruthSocial last month, and on Sunday he sent a video message to the Hungarian version of the Conservative Political Action Conference.

U.S. Secretary of State Marco Rubio travelled to Budapest in February and publicly backed Orban. That visit earned a rebuke from Democratic Sen. Ruben Gallego, who pointed out that Rubio, in his previous role as a senator, signed a 2019 bipartisan congressional letter expressing concerns that Hungary was on a downward trajectory away from democratic government.

If that weren't enough, Vice-President JD Vance — who has lectured Western European countries about the perceived shortcomings of their free speech provisions — will travel to Hungary to visit Orban, who was once called a "free press predator" by Reporters Without Borders.

Mutual admiration societies

As the Republican party swung farther right from the presidencies of George W. Bush to Trump, conservatives have become enamored with the Hungarian prime minister. Orban received a warm welcome at CPAC in 2022 and events hosted by American think-tanks. The Heritage Foundation, instrumental in developing the Project 2025 blueprint for a Trump return to the presidency, has praised Orban, "under whose leadership in Hungary on immigration, family policy, and the importance of the nation-state is a model for conservative governance.”

Under Trump's second administration, the U.S. could be seen as emulating Hungary in overt displays of Christianity from government podiums, and an antipathy to immigration from Muslim-majority countries, though Republicans haven't been as blunt as Orban's declaration at CPAC in Dallas that "we do not want to become peoples of mixed race."

Some analysts have also detected, in Trump's second term with his outspoken Federal Communications Chair Brendan Carr, an Orban-like attempt to cow and influence private media companies.

A woman with blonde hair just past her shoulders and sunglasses perched atop her head raises her right hand and points upward while speaking behind a podium.
France's Marine Le Pen speaks at an assembly of European far-right parties with Orban's Patriots for Europe group, in Budapest on Monday. (Denes Erdos/The Associated Press)

Trump, in Tuesday's post, also said that Orban works hard to "grow the economy" and "create jobs," though under his stewardship, Hungary has perennially been among the poorer performers in the European Union. Eurostat, the European Commission's statistical office, placed Hungary's real GDP growth in 2025 as third-last in the EU.

While Trump has bemoaned anything he thinks smacks of "election inteference" on the domestic front — a very broad list that includes a recent Ontario government ad criticizing U.S. tariffs — he has a history dating back to his first term of making his preferences known in foreign elections from Brazil to Israel to Poland. He went a step farther last fall with Argentina, seemingly indicating that a multibillion dollar currency swap to shore up the peso was dependent on their midterm results.

Whether the U.S. cheerleading for Orban this time will hold any sway, or backfire, is yet to be seen.

Trump's threats to make Canada another U.S. state, together with a leadership change from Justin Trudeau to Mark Carney, revived the fortunes of the Liberal Party in last year's election, and weeks later, some thought that Trump's hectoring of allies did no favours for Australia's conservatives, with the Labor Party in that country exceeding pre-campaign expectations for a majority government victory.

The result of this week's election in Denmark is not yet clear, but Trump's threats to take over its semiautonomous territory Greenland were so existential that right-of-centre candidates backed away from previous praise of the U.S. president — none more profanely than a member of the Danish People's Party in Brussels — and focused instead of pressing domestic issues.

A cartoonish painting on a sign shows a Caucasian with blue paint and yellow stars on one side of his face.
A campaign poster on March 14 in Budapest shows Peter Magyar, the leader of opposition's Tisza party, as a two-faced man, with the colours and stars of the European Union flag painted on his face. (Denes Erdos/The Associated Press)

Orban's team has also solicited testimonials from friendly voices across the world. The leaders of Israel, Italy and Argentina — as well as actor Rob Schneider, of Deuce Bigalow: Male Gigolo fame — sang his praises in an early campaign video.

Rumours of Orban's downfall have been exaggerated in other elections since he returned to power in 2010 — he was also PM from 1998 to 2002 — as his popularity has been buttressed in campaigns by a barrage of friendly state media coverage and favourable changes to the electoral system.

But polling this year has consistenlly shown Orban to be facing an uphill battle against challenger Peter Magyar of the Tisza party.

Hungarians are not being asked to back a politician at the opposite end of the political spectrum, with Magyar considered centre-right. Until two years ago, Magyar was affiliated with Orban's Fidesz Party.

WATCH | Explaining the Druzbha pipeline controversy:
 
 
Why Hungary is accusing Ukraine of an energy blockade
February 26|
Duration 1:39
 
Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orban has accused Ukraine of waging an 'oil blockade' against his country by delaying the reopening of a vital pipeline that supplies Russian oil — the Soviet-era Druzhba pipeline. CBC's Briar Stewart breaks down the hostile situation.

While in power, Orban has often whipped up support by accusing Budapest-born George Soros of encouraging Muslim immigration and undermining Christianity in Hungary, through the Soros-led Open Society Foundation funding of activist groups and, for a time, a university led by former Canadian politician Michael Ignatieff. It has been an ironic development, since before he swung hard to the right, Orban as a young man received a grant from a pre-OSF Soros organization to study at Oxford University in England.

But Soros, 95, has retreated from public life, and Open Society has a smaller footprint under his son than it had just a few years ago.

If any one person can be said to fit the role of a post-Soros foreign bogeyman this campaign, it is arguably President Volodymyr Zelenskyy from neighbouring Ukraine. Both at the EU and NATO, Orban has often been a minority voice in opposing financial and military support for Ukraine since it was invaded by Russia, led by Orban ally Vladimir Putin.

Last week, Orban infuriated many in the EU by blocking a 90 billion euro aid package ($143 billion Cdn) for Kyiv.

Orban has pushed back on claims his government hasn't been receptive to Ukraine refugees of the four-year war, and tensions between the countries have been exacerbated this year after a crucial pipeline in Ukraine was damaged in January and hasn't been fixed, preventing Hungary from accessing Russian oil. For good measure, Hungary recently temporarily seized millions in Ukraine assets.

The campaign between Orban and Magyar has reportedly been bitter, and the challenger accused the administration of "outright treason" after the Washington Post reported last week, citing a European security official, that Orban's foreign minister had made regular calls during breaks at EU meetings for years to brief his Russian counterpart, Sergei Lavrov.

The minister, Peter Szijjarto, dismissed the report with a familiar-sounding two-word response: "fake news."


 

 
 

Orbán’s defeat may signal shift in Europe’s far-right, illiberal tide says Michael Ignatieff

Viktor Orbán, Hungary’s now defeated prime minister, forced Ignatieff’s university out of the country in 2018

LISTEN | Orbán’s defeat may signal shift in Europe’s far-right, illiberal tide, says Michael Ignatieff:
 

For Michael Ignatieff, news that Viktor Orbán’s 16-year rule in Hungary had come to an end was reason enough to raise a glass.

“My wife is Hungarian,” the former Liberal Party of Canada leader told As It Happens host Nil Köksal. “We did a bit of drinking last night when the result became clear.”

Ignatieff is a professor of history at the Central European University where he served as rector until Orbán forced the university out of Budapest in 2018, prompting it to relocate its headquarters to Vienna. The relocation was part of Orbán’s broader ideological campaign against the university’s founder George Soros, whom he accused of undermining the country by supporting liberal institutions and backing refugees and migrants.

On Sunday, Hungarian voters ousted, Orbán, the long-serving prime minister, rejecting his authoritarian policies and the global far-right movement he came to symbolize in favour of pro-European challenger Péter Magyar.

Maygar, a former Orbán loyalist, has promised to rebuild Hungary’s ties with the European Union and NATO, which frayed under Orbán’s rule.

Ignatieff spoke with Köksal about his reaction to the election, and what Orbán’s defeat and Magyar’s victory could mean for geopolitics. Here is part of that conversation.

Michael Ignatieff, given what you and your colleagues experienced during Orbán's time in office, is today cause for celebration?

Oh, no question. We felt bitter and bruised by being expelled from a country where we had been. We were proud to think we were the best university in the place and to be thrown out and sent to Vienna was, was tough. So it's a great morning. 

You returned to Hungary just last week, as I understand it. What struck you upon your return? 

We went to a Peter Magyar rally in our little town, which is where my wife was born. And the forecourt of the railway station was completely packed. The mood was electric. The crowd was young. I had a strong sense of momentum. But there was, at that point — this is three, four days before the election — a lot of tension. The country is very, very divided. It was a very bitter campaign with the Orbán team throwing a lot of fantastic allegations out that if Magyar won, he would lure the Hungarian people into war in Ukraine. Nobody could figure out what that could possibly mean. But the scare tactic was out there. And so we had a feeling that Magyar had the momentum, but I think no one anticipated a victory of this size right across the country. 

Michael Ignatieff is a historian, author, university professor and former leader of the Liberal Party of Canada. (Submitted by Cundill Prize)

You brought up Ukraine. [Magyar] has said that everyone knows Ukraine is the victim in the war with Russia and that he hopes Putin will be forced to end it. Ultimately, what do you think this victory might mean for Ukraine? 

I think it's going to make it easier for Europe to get the financing — the €90 billion package ($146 billion Cdn) of financial supports that they've been trying to get through — to get that to Ukraine now will be easier with Magyar in the office. There's no question Orbán was Mr. Putin's closest ally and friend in Europe. So it's a very good day for Ukraine and a bad day for Putin… Zelenskyy played it carefully, didn't seek to provoke Orbán. I'm much more optimistic about Ukraine's chances now. 

It's also a bad day for the Trump administration. They sent JD Vance here last week. They sent Marco Rubio, some time before. They tipped the scales very heavily in favour of Orbán, but it had the opposite effect. 

And you said ahead of the election … that this kind of a victory would suggest that authoritarian illiberalism in Europe was going into reverse, as you put it. Do you think that that is actually a marker of that? 

I hope so, and the wish is father to the thought. A wise American politician once said, ‘All politics is local.’ And that's as true in Europe as it is in Canada or the States. The French election is next year. There's an authoritarian, illiberal challenger. Does Orbán's defeat set them back? Yes, a bit, but it's a year ahead and we just don't know how that'll play out. In Germany, there's an AfD, which is a right-wing party at the edge of the constitutional order. I think in the end, these elections are decided by the voters in each country. 

But what I do think has happened is that Orbán was the most influential purveyor of the story that history was favouring illiberal authoritarianism. He famously said at one point… to the Western Europeans, “We used to think you were our future, now we think we are your future.” That sense of historical momentum that Orbán was better at conveying than anybody else, I do think that rhetoric is much more damaged today than it was before this election. 

A man holds up both hands in front of a crowdViktor Orbán reacts after receiving the results of a parliamentary election in Budapest, Hungary, Sunday, April 12, 2026. (Petr David Josek/AP Photo)

I wonder what you think it will actually mean for Hungarians, Magyar's victory, because as you well know, his break with Orbán is quite recent. Is he really going to be that different? 

His campaigning was different. He spent two years showing up in small villages and small towns on the back of a truck and talking first to 10 people, then to 20, then 40, then last Thursday, it was 500. So he's built a movement from the bottom up and he's made some promises that I think he's really going to be forced to hold to. He's promised, for example, to run only two terms and then quit. He's promising relief from permanent rule. He's made some promises about restoring the independence of the judiciary, making the media free, and crucially for us, leaving universities alone. I think it's going to be pretty easy for his electorate to hold him to those promises.

It is true that he's a centre-right politician. He's not a liberal. He's very clear that he's a conservative, but he's constitutional conservative with a sense that Orbán took the Hungarian political system almost out of constitutional decency and he wants to restore the country back to right-conservative constitutional decency.

A man stands before a podium with one hand raisedPeter Magyar gestures as he speaks to the media in Budapest, Hungary, Monday, April 13, 2026, after defeating Prime Minister Viktor Orban's party in the country's parliamentary elections. (AP Photo/Denes Erdos) (AP)

Will the university move back? 

I don't think so. We're happy in Vienna, but we have a campus still in Budapest, and so my hope is it will be the last Austro-Hungarian institution left. 

What do you think the relationship between Hungary and the U.S. will look like now, given what Magyar has said and given we know what the position of the U S. administration has been? 

It's not going to be buddy-buddy. I think the deep linkages between the MAGA movement and Hungarian think tanks and institutions that Orbán founded, that's not gonna be sustained. That'll break. It'll be the relationship between a predatory hegemon on one hand and a small Eastern European country that probably wants to keep its distance and keep its margin of maneuver and doesn't have any illusions that it's going to get an especially warm welcome in the Oval Office. 

ABOUT THE AUTHOR


Kayla McLean

Journalist

Kayla McLean is a web journalist with CBC News in Toronto. She grew up in Brampton, Ont., and received her bachelor of arts degree in media production at Toronto Metropolitan University. Before joining CBC in 2024, she worked as a breaking news reporter at Global News Toronto — covering everything from crime, sports, festivals and politics. She also reported for Global News's current affairs show, The New Reality, covering stories with a focus on racial equality and climate justice. She also previously held positions as a chase producer and writer CTV News Channel.

 
 
 

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How right-wing populist leaders are eroding democracy: author

Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orban's election win - a third successive term - triggered a wave of resignations among senior opposition figures, including the leader of the biggest opposition party in parliament. (Bernadett Szabo/Reuters)
 
Earlier this month, right-wing circles rejoiced with the re-election of Viktor Orban for his third term as Hungary's prime minister.

The country is not an anomaly. Right-wing populists are leading countries around the world from the Philippines to Italy.

Through this rise of populism, authoritarian tactics are leading to an erosion of democracy, according to Daniel Ziblatt, co-author of How Democracies Die.

"When you have a political leader in any part of the world who's not fully committed to democratic norms (unwritten rules) … when confronting people who are critical of them, it's hard to contain yourself," he told The Current's guest host Laura Lynch.

"It's certainly tempting to try to tilt the playing field, to go after the opposition, to try to capture the referees of the political system."

The Harvard professor explained the problem with this method is that it escalates politics which ultimately leads to "a slow democratic decay."

Supporters of the FIDESZ party celebrate as Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orban wins the parliamentary election, April 8, 2018, in Budapest. But civil libertarians in Hungary worry the majority win will mean a deepening assault on immigrants, the political opposition and the media. (Attila Kisbenedek/AFP/Getty Images)
 
In the early 1990s, Orban was a liberal dissident, Ziblatt said, and was briefly prime minister until he was voted out of office. But Ziblatt explained when he came back into office in 2010, "he had pushed much further to the right, taking on many of the kind of ideological characteristics that we see with him today."

Orban explicitly articulated a vision of what he calls "illiberal democracy," Ziblatt said, adding that Orban told Hungarian students in 2014 that to be a democracy does not necessarily mean you have to be a liberal democracy.

"So he's tried to carve out a niche for himself and his regime type that's been emulated in Poland, to some degree in Czech Republic and other parts of the world where you know the features of democracy embrace namely the will of the people, the majority."

"But other features of democracy, namely respect for pluralism, respect for diverse views, respect for civil society rights, for minorities — these have been not emphasized to the same degree."

Listen to the full conversation at the top of this page, which also includes Hungarian investigative journalist Andras Petho, recently accused of being a "Soros mercenary."

This segment was produced by The Current's Howard Goldenthal.
 
 

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I wonder if any Prime Minister Viktor Orbán's people in Ottawa will listen to this. They certainly played dumb about it with me yesterday


The Current Transcript for April 18, 2018

Host: Laura Lynch

How right-wing populist leaders are eroding democracy: author

Guests: Andras Petho, Daniel Ziblatt
LL: I'm Laura Lynch, sitting in for Anna Maria Tremonti, and you're listening to The Current.
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VOICE 1: Budapest waking up on Monday to a more powerful government with even bolder anti-immigrant, anti-EU ambitions. Hungary's right-wing strongman Viktor Orbán has won a third straight term, an overwhelming majority, and the power to change constitutional laws. The result could deepen divisions within the EU and for the country's liberals it may signal a crushing four years ahead. Top of Orbán’s agenda, a move to ban NGOs that support migration, particularly those backed by U.S. financier George Soros.
LL: That was Reuters on April 9th, reporting on the election of Viktor Orbán to his third term as Hungary's prime minister. Civil libertarians in Hungary say the strong majority Mr. Orbán and his Fidesz party received will mean a deepening assault on immigrants, the political opposition, and the media. This past Sunday, tens of thousands protested against Viktor Orbán's government in Budapest. Investigative journalist Andras Petho has been digging into Viktor Orbán's politics and finances. He is the founder of the website Direkt36.hu. Earlier this month he was accused of being one of 200 "Soros mercenaries," called for their alleged association with Orbán's public enemy number one: global philanthropist and political activist George Soros. Andras Petho joins me from Budapest, Hungary. Hello.
ANDRAS PETHO: Hello.
LL: Can you start by telling me a little bit about direkt36.hu? What does it do?
ANDRAS PETHO: Yes. Direkt36 has been around for three years, a little bit more than three years, and we are an investigative reporting organization, we are a non-profit, and what we do is that we dig deep into political corruption stories or you know abuses of power in general.
LL: And so does that mean that you have written directly about corruption in Viktor Orbán's government?
ANDRAS PETHO: Yes. Yes we've covered quite extensively how people close to Mr. Orbán, including his family members have been benefiting from state projects, from public money, often projects funded by the European Union which is you know a frequent target of Mr. Orbán's attacks.
LL: Now we've heard about the Hungarian government's animosity toward the American financier George Soros. Why has George Soros become the club that's wielded by the government against its perceived enemies?
ANDRAS PETHO: Well that's a good question. I think for that you need to understand a little bit more Mr. Orbán and his approach to politics. I mean he's a kind of a warrior type of politician. He's always in action and, you know, he's been part of Hungary in Hungary's politics since the regime change so nearly three decades. And so he built his whole story on the notion that Hungary is under attack and he's the only one who can defend it. And you know the enemies changed all the time. You know sometimes he was defending the country against the communists, and then you know it was Brussels, and then the IMF, and now it's George Soros. And you know certainly you know the values that Mr. Orbán is promoting are quiet different from the way that Mr. Soros and his foundation is promoting. I think it's also probably that you know he's a good target. He doesn't live here in Hungary. He doesn't really you know contrary to the government's attacks.
LL: What threat does George Soros represent according to Viktor Orbán?
ANDRAS PETHO: Well the government is saying that and this has become their main message ever since the migration crisis in 2015 that George Soros and his organizations are promoting migration and so that's why that's why it needs to be stopped. That's the government's version.
LL: Even though as you say Soros doesn't live there he does fund a university there and he's been accused by other regimes in the past of funding revolution as in Ukraine. So this isn't the first time that he's been held up as a symbol of a threat. But can you tell me what about the relationship between the Hungarian weekly Figyelo and the government of Viktor Orbán?
ANDRAS PETHO: Figyelo was bought by a businesswoman and historian a little bit more than a year ago who is quite close to the government. He's openly supporting the government and she used to be a close adviser to the prime minister. This has become a pattern in Hungary you know that the government is not controlling most of the media directly but through you know business people close to the government.
LL: So you have your name published in this magazine in a list of what are called Soros mercenaries operating in Hungary. What did you think when you saw that?
ANDRAS PETHO: It was a strange feeling. I mean of course it's not nice to see this happening. At the same time it wasn't that unexpected, that's surprising. I mean this was a kind of natural outcome of the rhetoric of the campaign, you know the government. And Mr. Orbán was talking about these so-called Soros mercenaries the run up to the election and so I think it was just a matter of time when you know somebody came up with some names, actual names.
LL: But there is a relationship between Direkt36.hu and Soros, correct?
ANDRAS PETHO: Yes. Yes. You know like every conspiracy theory; I mean it also had some element of truth. I mean but this was not a secret. Direkt36.hu is a proud recipient of grants from the Open Society Foundations.
LL: Which are run by George Soros, yes?
ANDRAS PETHO: Yes. Yes, which was founded by George Soros. But we also received grants from other foundations and actually most of our revenue is coming from our own readers, partly crowd funded organization, we have received support from thousands of Hungarians who are living here.
LL: So are you George Soros mercenary?
ANDRAS PETHO: I don't think so. But yeah it's just ridiculous.
LL: In light of the political atmosphere in Hungary, what does it mean to the safety of people who are being named as these agents for George Soros?
ANDRAS PETHO: Personally I and my colleagues haven't received any threats or verbal threats but I know that other organizations who have also been targeted by the government and government controlled media, you know, sometimes they get phone calls from people who are calling them traitors or sometimes they get phone calls from people who want to get the phone number of George Soros. So there are some bizarre situations.
LL: Does what's happened here with the naming as a mercenary; it seems to sort of put you in the crosshairs of this government, does it change anything about the way Direkt36.hu will investigate Viktor Orbán and his government?
ANDRAS PETHO: No, in fact we decided to respond to these so-called list in a low key manner. And you know I think the best response that we can do is to you know to continue our job and you know to demonstrate to the public that what we are doing is in the public interest. Investigative journalism is about holding powerful people and organizations to account and that's what we are doing and I think that's why we became you know one of the targets of this campaign. So I think the best response is to keep doing what we are doing.
LL: I thank you for your time sir.
ANDRAS PETHO: Thank you for having me.
LL: Andras Petho is a Hungarian investigative journalist and cofounder of the website Direkt36.hu. We reached him in Budapest. We contacted the Hungarian embassy in Ottawa to ask about press freedom in the country. We were told the new Hungarian government has not yet entered office, and were referred to earlier statements by the government on press freedom. Last month, a spokesperson said he reserved the right to decide who he regarded as a journalist because, in his view, some journalists are just activists exercising a journalistic activity. The re-election of Viktor Orbán was greeted with joy in right-wing circles and despair by progressive and moderate Hungarians. Yet Hungary is not an anomaly. When you look at the political landscape around the globe, right-wing populists lead everywhere from the Philippines to Italy, from Russia to the United States. In his speech to the French National Assembly in Paris yesterday, Prime Minister Justin Trudeau spoke about economic uncertainty, stagnant incomes — and the pernicious anxiety that can lead to political polarization.
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VOICE 1: [Sound: French-speaking language]
LL: In too many countries, populism is spreading and democracy is eroding, symptoms of a malaise that afflicts our integrated world, Trudeau said. Daniel Ziblatt has studied the rise of anti-Democratic forces around the globe. He is a professor of government at Harvard, and co-author with Steven Levitsky of the new book, How Democracies Die. We reached Daniel Ziblatt in Boston. Hello.
DANIEL ZIBLATT: Hey there, nice to talk to you.
LL: How has Viktor Orbán’s political philosophy changed since he entered politics?
DANIEL ZIBLATT: Well he's a fascinating case because he's somebody who came on the scene really in the dying days of the communist era in the early 1990s as a liberal dissident and actually went to Oxford with a scholarship from George Soros and started really as a liberal dissident, founded of a political party in the mid-90s, sort of briefly became a Christian Democrat sort of in the West European world, and then kept pushing further and further to the right. He was briefly prime minister in the late 1990s, voted out of office, and then when he came back in to office in 2010 after the financial crisis he had pushed much further to the right taking on many of the kind of ideological characteristics that we see with him today.
LL: How do you identify politicians who do start out being not overtly authoritarian but become so over time?
DANIEL ZIBLATT: You know it's a tricky issue. In our book how democracies die we identify a litmus test a set of characteristics to kind of warning signs of politicians before they come into office show clear anti-democratic tendencies. So if they go after the media, if they accuse their rivals of being enemies, if they condone violence, these sorts of things. In many cases it's quite easy to in fact identify political views ahead of time. In the case of Viktor Orbán it's a little trickier because he began as a liberal. So our litmus test is not a perfect test, I mean it doesn't identify everybody before they get into office.
LL: Those warning signs were very public with Viktor Orbán and yet he won the vote anyway. So how do you explain that?
DANIEL ZIBLATT: Yes well once he's been in office clearly he's violating these criteria. Yeah I know this is the grave dilemma of our era. You know throughout the Cold War the way authoritarians came into power is through military coups. Three quarters of democracies died during the Cold War at the hands of men with guns. Since the collapse of communism the way authoritarians come to power is through elections and so it's a real dilemma. On the one hand there's certainly a mantle of legitimacy when somebody comes to power elected by publics but then you know that doesn't necessarily make them democratic if in turn once in office they attack and go after Democratic institutions.
LL: Right. But as I said he's winning anyway despite all of that. How does his right-wing philosophy play into those kinds of authoritarian populist movements we see rising around the globe?
DANIEL ZIBLATT: One thing I should say is that the 2018 elections there's been accusations by election observers of violations of basic procedures. So that helped him win. Before the 2014 election, election districts redrawn and gerrymandered in a way so that it made it easier for him to retain office so these elections have not been entirely free and fair and have been tilted in his favour so that's just one thing worth saying. More broadly though to your point about how this feeds into the kind of global trends that we're seeing, I mean one of the interesting things about Orbán as well is that he's very explicitly articulated a vision of what he calls illiberal democracy. 2014 he gave a speech in front of a group of students in Hungary in which he said “to be a democracy does not necessarily mean you have to be a liberal democracy.” And so he's tried to carve out a niche for himself and his regime type that's been emulated in Poland, to some degree in Czech Republic, and other parts of the world where the features of democracy are embraced, namely the will of the people, the majority, but other features of democracy, namely respect for pluralism, respect for diverse views, respect for civil society, rights for minorities, these have been not emphasized to the same degree. So he's carving out a niche, and this suggests a kind of new set of challenges for the system.
LL: So is the world undergoing a democracy recession?
DANIEL ZIBLATT: Well it's interesting my co-author Steve Levitsky wrote an article years ago called The Myth of Democratic recession and I think he still stands by that. And that's based on very careful research. If we look you know certainly democracies are more challenged today than they have been in the media post-Cold War era when democracy was the only game in town. But according to you know various organizations, Freedom House, different organizations that count the number of democracies in the world, the number of democracies in the world you know exploded after the early 1990s, continue to rise, and then in the mid-2000s basically began to flat line; meaning some democracies are dying, some democracies are coming to existence and enduring, but we’re certainly not in an era where democracy is growing around the world. I should say however that the election of Donald Trump in the United States has maybe changed this to some degree. You know the United States and other Western countries as well have often been advocates of democracy around the world since the 1970s. And the Trump administration is pretty indifferent to this. And so you know the international environment certainly has changed. I think going forward it's certainly clear that we really run the risk of Democratic recession.
LL: Tell me about how that affects your own country then, the United States.
DANIEL ZIBLATT: You know we have similar dynamics that work. The U.S. is certainly a much older democracy than many of the countries that have faced similar threats of Turkey, Hungary, Poland, Philippines, the countries you mentioned at the outset, so there's a lot more room for confidence that there's avenues for the opposition to organize and to win elections. But certainly the U.S. is suddenly facing and many people view that the current administration is using a lot of the same strategies that Viktor Orbán has used while in office; trying to capture the referees the law enforcement institutions of the state, sidelining being very critical of opposition media, and potentially attempting to kind of tilt the playing field through electoral reforms. There's been some talks of that haven’t gone very far. Steve Bannon, a former Trump adviser, regards Viktor Orbán as a great hero. He's been quoted as saying he's a great hero. So you know there are these links. Again I think American democracy is much more stable, much older, so you know I don't think tyrannies around the corner. But all of this has made Americans, I think it should, make Americans more alert and realize they can't take democracy for granted.
LL: But in the United States that you would have a man like Henry Ford who was a well-known anti Semite multimillionaire who toyed with the idea of running for president and that he existed but he didn't win elected office, how have American politics changed since those days to make things riskier now in your view?
DANIEL ZIBLATT: Yeah there's a tendency and a mistaken tendency to think that there was some golden age of American democracy now we've abandoned that. The truth of the matter is there have always been figures on the political landscape; Henry Ford you mention, Joe McCarthy, Huey Long who was governor of Louisiana who had clear authoritarian tendencies, George Wallace who was a segregationist governor from the south who sounded very much like Donald Trump on the campaign trail. These figures though you know were very popular. Public opinion polls showed them sort of garnering around 35 per cent support throughout the 20th century. But these guys all stayed very far from office. We never had one of these figures at the top of a major political party. And what changed we argue in our book is essentially part of it is how we select our presidential candidates has changed. You know the shift to a primary based system where before the general election voters select their own party's candidates has made it easier, has lowered the threshold for demagogues to get into the top position, and that reform came in the early 70s. You know of course the U.S. has continued to withstand… you know there haven't been demagogues leading party until 2016 so something really changed in 2016. And I think there are lots of factors that go into this but a big part of the story has to do with the inability of Republican Party establishment leaders to distance themselves from candidate Trump. And you know many have essentially although despising him and not liking him, including Republican voters; one out of four Republican voters in the presidential election thought that Donald Trump was not fit to serve as president yet they still voted. So something has really changed.
LL: I want to play you a bit of President Trump's speech at the CPAC convention in Washington in February 2017.
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VOICE 1: Never underestimate the people. Never. I don't think it will ever happen again. And I want you all to know that we are fighting the fake news. It's fake — phony, fake. [Applause.] A few days ago, I called the fake news “the enemy of the people” — and they are. They are the enemy of the people.
LL: What does it mean for democracy when a leader starts calling parts of society, in this case the media, the enemy of the people?
DANIEL ZIBLATT: It's frightening. You know especially in the United States a very old democracy where this is really entirely unprecedented. You know going back…You know a lot of people say that's just words, this is just hot rhetoric. You know similarly when President Trump and candidate Trump said you know there's election fraud is rampant in the United States, elections are totally rigged, there’s no empirical basis for this among my political scientist colleagues who studied this. So this is just rhetoric some people might say. But we make the case in our book you know that really words do matter because if you look at public opinion among Republicans attitudes towards the press and attitudes towards elections they've transformed in the last two years precisely as candidate and president Trump has used these words. And so you know significant percentages of Americans or of Republicans now think that elections are rigged when in fact there's no evidence of this. And this comes in large part from somebody in a powerful position like President Trump saying that elections are rigged, similarly when somebody says the media are the enemy of the people, the media are just making up stories, significant portions according to Pew surveys show that significant portions of Republicans now you know we're talking 40, 50 per cent of Republicans say that the media are making up stories about President Trump. And so if have large segments of the population in any democracy basically accepting these two key critical pillars of democracy media and elections are basically illegitimate it's hard to imagine sustaining a democracy in that context. So that makes us very wary.
LL: And Trump and Prime Minister Viktor Orbán have something in common in targeting the press. Why do they want to target the press?
DANIEL ZIBLATT: Yeah. You know a lot of people talk about a kind of authoritarian playbook. There is no authoritarian playbook as far as I know. But what's certainly true is that people are you know they're emulating each other but I think when you have a political leader in any part of the world who's not fully committed to democratic norms, norms are a kind of form of constraint instead of unwritten rules, not committed to democratic norms. When confronting people who are critical of them it's hard to contain yourself. It's certainly tempting to try to tilt the playing field, to go after the opposition, to try to capture the referees of the political system. The problem is that those tactics are exactly the thing that lead to a kind of escalating politics that ultimately lead to a slow democratic decay.
LL: You propose a solution in your book to those who might be concerned particularly with what's happening in the United States to try to prevent a deficit and democracy there. Can you briefly tell me what you are suggesting?
DANIEL ZIBLATT: Yes in the last chapter of our book we proposed a set of solutions. We begin by diagnosing the problems and then we think underlying many of our problems in the United States and in other countries as well facing similar challenges is exactly as Prime Minister Trudeau mentioned high levels of polarization. The sources of polarization in different countries vary, but the root causes after a polarization each side views each other as. And so we proposed a set of ideas for how to address polarization. Some of these include you know the Republican Party itself needs to be transformed. The Republican Party is a kind of highly homogeneous political party, continues to be a very diverse multi-ethnic American society, that's one thing. Second point is you know what Democratic Party politicians and voters do. And we argued that they need to resist the temptation to fight like Republicans. There's a lot of talk among Democrats you know we need to emulate the strategies Republicans in order to prevent being taken advantage of. We argue in our book that’s really the mistaken strategy that you know in certain conditions certainly necessary to fight hard, but we think Democrats and all citizens of politicians need to fight in ways that reinforce democratic norms rather than undermining.
LL: We've got about 30 seconds left. Given the polarization in the United States right now, how much confidence do you have that those gaps can be bridged in the name of reviving democracy?
DANIEL ZIBLATT: Yeah I mean again I think you know we began this conversation talking about Hungary and I think the United States is certainly a much stronger position. I mean there are these kind of echoes. The U.S. you know has a robust civil society, a robust Democratic Party opposition, and so I think if people begin to learn that much more is at stake, you know, that there's a lot to potentially lose, then you know we only hope and we encourage and that's one of the purposes of writing the book is to show that you know we can't take democracy for granted. It's necessary for citizens. But certainly a lot hinges on elections.
LL: We will leave it there. Thank you very much, Daniel Ziblatt.
DANIEL ZIBLATT: Yeah, thank you very much.
LL: Daniel Ziblatt is the co-author, along with Steven Levitsky, of the new book, How Democracies Die. We reached him in Newton, Massachusetts. That's our program for today. Stay tuned to Radio One for q. Guest host Ali Hassan speaks with Canadian actor Cynthia Dale about her new role in the musical, Fun Home. She also discusses her long run on Street Legal, a show that's getting ready for a TV reboot. I can't wait. Years ago I was an extra on that show. If you look at the past archive you can see me in the background there. And remember you can always take The Current with you to go on the CBC Radio app. Use it to browse through past episodes of our show, search for stories you missed or hear the day's top stories right from your smartphone or tablet. It's free from the App Store or Google Play. We opened the program today talking about the influence hate speech online may have had on Alexandre Bissonnette, the convicted murderer who killed six people at a Quebec City mosque last year. Aymen Derbali survived the attack, but just barely, and he testified earlier this week at Alexandre Bissonnette's sentence hearing. We'll leave you with an excerpt from The Current's documentary: It was a Sunday. This is Aymen Derbali describing the attack to producer Susana Ferreira. I'm Laura Lynch, sitting in for Anna Maria Tremonti. Thanks for listening to The Current



Hungary's PM wants a 1-party nation state, opposition MP says

Prime Minister Victor Orban's landslide re-election win puts Hungary at odds with the European Union

Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orban won a supermajority re-election on Sunday. (Sean Gallup/Getty Image)
 
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At home, Hungary's Viktor Orban is more popular than ever.

His anti-immigration platform, in which he vowed to keep "Hungary for Hungarians" paid off, with a landslide victory in Sunday's elections.

Voters handed Orban a third consecutive term, and his right-wing Fidesz party regained two-thirds of parliament — super-majority that would allow Orban to change the country's constitution.

But his widespread appeal does not extend to the European Parliament.

A draft report circulated this week calls for sanctions against Hungary, for failing to uphold the EU's core values.

Zsuzsanna Szelenyi, an independent MP in the Hungarian parliament, spoke with As it Happens host Carol Off about the situation in Hungary.

Here is part of their conversation.

Viktor Orban promised a white Christian Hungary, free from Muslim migrants. How is he going to deliver on that promise?

I think this is a very strong campaign message. It's very ideological. And actually it's not so complicated to deliver, because there are no migrants in Hungary. And there are no migrants who want to come to Hungary.

The Central European Zone of the [European Union] is traditionally not very multicultural. Because of the communist past there are not many immigrant communities in these countries, including Hungary.

Zsuzsanna Szelenyi speaks during a protest against a visit by Russian President Vladimir Putin. (Balazs Mohai/MTI via Associated Press)
 
So why did he campaign on that? The economy is strong, there's good job numbers. Things are going well for people in Hungary.

It's important to understand that Viktor Orban doesn't make a usual campaign because his ambitions are not very usual. He wants to change the status quo in Hungary in order to remain in power as long as possible.

And I think he also wants to change somehow the European Union, in order to accept an illiberal, non-pluralistic, one-party state within the European Union.

Therefore he needs to make extraordinary and very bizarre campaigns to mobilize people.

The immigration story is very symbolic. Viktor Orban speaks about a kind of existential threat , hich endangers our European Western culture. And that is what resonates in so many people.

An anti-migration billboard from the Hungarian government with graffitti reading: 'Orban.' (Darko Vojinovic/The Associated Press)
 
Why does he seem to be pinning all of Hungary's problems on [U.S. financier] George Soros? 
George Soros is, first of all, a conspiracy theory [for Orban].

Through his personality and philanthropic activity and very strong ideology on open society, Orban could find an enemy who could be linked to the immigration issue.

Soros is also a very rich person, and an American — so very distant. Conspiracy theories usually deal with something or someone who is far away and people do not have much information about.

Orban's problem with Soros also goes beyond this conspiracy theory. He is really regarding Soros and his concept of the world — and globalism — an enemy of his system [of] illiberalism.

Orban addressing supporters in Budapest after his election victory. (Darko Vojinovic/The Associated Press)
 
The Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe described Viktor Orban's campaign as "rife with xenophobia and media bias." What is the situation when it comes to the press in Hungary?

The press has been dominated by Viktor Orban as a prime minister for years.

The state media has a strong influence in eastern Europe still. But through his cronies, he also controls a significant part of the commercial media.

So outreach to people by the opposition has been very limited. And he used these media outlets for the xenophobic and hostile campaign.

The European Union is moving toward a process that might put sanctions on Hungary for being anti-democratic. Is there going to be a clash between the European Union and Viktor Orban?

Viktor Orban represents a concept which he calls "sovereignist" — while the European Union is a process of integrated countries.

It would be very, very important for the European Union to further integrate, because all of the challenges we are seeing in the world today cannot be solved by any of the smaller European countries alone.

So the EU will struggle with Viktor Orban, because he will make a lot of effort to make his regime acknowledged on a nation-state basis.

Our former prime minister, Stephen Harper, sent a message to congratulate Viktor Orban, and said he looks forward to working with him. What would you tell Stephen Harper he should be concerned about in Viktor Orban? 

Everyone in the world should understand who Viktor Orban is and his ambitions.

He wants to make Western countries approve his one-party system, which is not a democratic system. I think it's a dangerous process.

If he finds political alliances in Europe and elsewhere, that would make Europe's life much more complicated, and probably beyond Europe.

Written by Kevin Ball and Kate Swoger. Interview produced by Jeanne Armstrong and Kate Swoger. Q&A edited for length and clarity.
 
 

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Bob Farley  
Bob Farley
The world rose to Hungary's plight in 1956 and allowed them to escape from a brutal dictatorship. And now its come to this. Thanks for nothing, dude.


David Amos
David Amos
@Bob Farley This is just corporate spin against a very popular politician in his homeland. I don't judge him nor should anyone in Canada, only the people who have the decision to vote for him or not should.

However how Viktor Orban handled the IMF and Monsanto years ago caused me to have instant respect for him. He has a fan in me.

 

http://www.cbc.ca/radio/asithappens/as-it-happens-tuesday-edition-1.4065793/ignatieff-says-hungary-s-pm-hijacked-his-university-to-settle-score-with-billionaire-george-soros-1.4066253
 
 

Ignatieff says Hungary's PM 'hijacked' his university to settle score with billionaire George Soros

'We've been hijacked:' Ignatieff says Hungary's PM targeted his university to settle a score with billionaire

Michael Ignatieff, president and rector of the Central European University, attends a news conference after the government of Prime Minister Viktor Orban passed legislation that could force the 25-year-old school out of Hungary. (Bernadett Szabo/Reuters)
 
 
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Michael Ignatieff says Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orban is targeting the Budapest university he runs in a misguided attempt to settle a personal beef with its billionaire founder.

"He's targeting a free institution. I think he just is worried that we are a threat to him," the former Liberal leader and current president of Central European University (CEU) told As It Happens host Carol Off.

"In fact, we're not any kind of a threat to him. We're actually a university. We get up every morning and do those thrilling things like medieval history and analytical philosophy."

Hungary on Tuesday passed education legislation that would force CEU to close or leave the country — a move that has caused tens of thousands of people to take to the streets in protest.

A woman shouts as she protests Hungary's new higher education bill. (Laszlo Balogh/Reuters)
 
The school, which Ignatieff has helmed since last fall, is funded in large part by its founder, Hungary-born U.S. billionaire George Soros. The business magnate and philanthropist is one of the 30 richest people in the world, according to Bloomberg.

Hungary's ruling Fidesz party considers Soros an ideological foe who is working against the country's interests by funding liberal institutions and supporting refugees and migrants.

Orban, who received a Soros-funded scholarship in 1989 to study at Oxford University in England, has publicly vowed to go after Soros and "the powers that symbolize him."

"I think there's some weird, uncontrollable, father-son dynamic here that I actually don't understand, don't care about," Ignatieff said.

"I think he thinks that he can take a Soros institution hostage, but we're not actually a Soros institution in the sense that I don't answer to Mr. Soros. I answer to trustees, and it's an independent institution."

U.S. financier George Soros, left, is an ideological foe of Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orban, right. (Eric Piermont, Thomas Lohnes/Getty Images )
 
The new rules demand bilateral agreements with the home countries of universities from outside the European Union, and require schools to establish campuses in their home countries.

CEU will be the only school in the country that faces closure when the law comes into effect on Jan. 1, 2018.

"I honestly feel we've been hijacked," Ignatieff said. "The government wants to get the attention of Washington, the attention of its allies, in support of its refugee and migration policy ... and so they've taken an American institution hostage as if to say, 'Hey, pay attention to us!'"

The government, meanwhile, says the new rules are aimed at combating fraud and foreign influence, and to stop CEU from having an unfair advantage over other local schools by allowing its students to earn both U.S. and Hungarian diplomas.

The CEU has been getting support from Western governments and universities. Both the U.S. and the EU have condemned the new legislation.

In Budapest, some 70,000 people rallied in support of CEU on Sunday. It was the third rally in eight days in support of the university, which enrolls over 1,400 students from 108 countries.

People protest in support of Central European University, a liberal graduate school of social sciences, located in Budapest. (Bernadett Szabo/Reuters)
 
"It's been a very moving and emotional time for us," Ignatieff said. "We haven't started those demonstrations. We don't have any part of them. But boy, when you're in a university and somebody's parading out your window saying, you know, 'Free universities, free country,' it's pretty, pretty strong stuff."

With files from The Associated Press
 
 
 

Part 1: Syria: Russia, Michael Ignatieff, United Airlines follow-up

Michael Ignatieff

JD: Michael Ignatieff left Canadian politics long ago. But now, he's at the centre of one of Hungary's most contentious political fights.
Mr. Ignatieff is now the President of the Central European University in Budapest. Hungary's Prime Minister Viktor Orbán has passed legislation that threatens to shut it down. He says he's combatting fraud and foreign influence. But he's been met with thousands of people protesting in the streets.
Mr. Ignatieff calls the law an attack on academic freedom. And he's appealing to the outside world for help.
We reached Michael Ignatieff in Budapest.
CO: Michael Ignatieff, what does legislation in Hungary mean for the future of your school?
MICHAEL IGNATIEFF: Carol, I think it would shut us down. We've been here for 25 years. We're a graduate institution that issues masters and doctoral degrees that are accredited in the United States and the government is basically saying you can't issue those degrees and if you're going to stay here you have to be pursuant to some bilateral agreement between the federal government of the United States and Hungary. And we won't sign anything that compromises our academic freedom. And so we've been resisting very very sharply. And I think it's awakened a chord in Hungary simply because we're one of the few remaining truly free institutions in the country. And that's why we end up getting you know, something like 70,000 people in the street chanting in support of academic freedom. Who knew?
You know, it's been a, Carol, it's been a very moving and emotional time for us. We haven't started those demonstrations, we don't have any part in them, but boy when you're in a university and someone's parading out your window saying you know “Free universities, free country”, it's pretty pretty strong stuff.
CO: Prime Minister Orbán says this is broad legislation that he needs to crack down on fraud. Do you think your university has been targeted?
ME: Well the fraud stuff is particularly outrageous. You know, we're proud of the fact that we're one of the very best universities in the region, one of the best in Europe. You know why is it happening? You'd have to ask the prime minister. He's got an agenda.
CO: But you think your university has been targeted?
ME: Oh I think there's no question it's been targeted. I could give you chapter and verse about this. This legislation actually has only one institution that it could possibly apply to. And that's us. I think he just is worried that we are a threat to him. In fact we're not any kind of threat to him. We're actually a university, we get up every morning and do those thrilling things like medieval history and analytical philosophy. You know, stuff they do at the U of T or Université d’Ottawa.
But he construes this as being some kind of threat to his regime. It never is never will be. But none of us here is going to be pushed around, and because we're private and independent and endowed, we can fight back.
CO: What do you mean when you talk about Prime Minister Orbán ‘s agenda?
ME: Well Carol, I mean I honestly feel we've been hijacked. That is, the government wants to get the attention of Washington. And so they've taken an American institution hostage as if to say you know “Hey pay attention to us. We want a meeting in the Rose Garden. We want this kind of attention. We can't seem to get otherwise.” So it's a strange business. I think there's another element to this which is apparent. You know Mr. Orbán received a scholarship from the founder of this university, Mr. Soros in 1989. And I think there's some weird uncontrollable father son dynamic here that I actually don't understand, don't care about. I think he thinks he can take a Soros institution hostage but we’re not actually a Soros institution in the sense that I don't answer to Mr. Soros, I answer to trustees and it's an independent institution.
CO: Mr. Soros, he's the founder of the university. He endows the university. So is it so off the mark that by Mr. Orbán would see an attack on this university as an attack on George Soros?
ME: Oh sure. I mean I see that. But if this is about academic freedom, then Academic Freedom cuts both ways. It's academic freedom in respect of governments, but it's also academic freedom in respect of founders. I mean I got you know the chancellor, vice-chancellor of Oxford University and the chancellor of Berkeley, and ex-president of Stanford on my board. You know, they're the people I answer to; they're the people who hired me. And this man, let it just be entered in the record, you know, is a Holocaust survivor, unbelievably generous towards Hungary over 30 years. You know it makes my blood boil. I don't answer to the guy, but he's done more for this country than anybody I can think of.
CO: But there is still a lot of support for Viktor Orbán, maybe outside of Budapest more, but that he is still a popular politician. His objective as he stated very clearly, is he does not like liberal democracies. He is trying to transform Hungary into a populist nationalist entity. He's got that vision, and does it appear that your university is in the way of that?
ME: I think there's no doubt about that. He thinks there's some electoral gain in taking a run at us. But I just think that taking a run at an American institution is actually a strategic mistake. I think taking a run at a free institution riles up Budapest. I think taking a run at academic freedom triggers you know support from academic institutions around the world. I don't, I just genuinely don't think he gambled on that. I'm not going to comment on his agenda. Liberal, illiberal is not my business. But you know, my only job is to defend this institution and that's what we're doing.
CO: Leaving aside your political adventures here in Canada, that career. You have been a journalist, and author, you have written about the Balkans, Eastern Europe for decades, and to some extent, have you become a player in the story that you've been analyzing for years?
ME: I don't think I'm a player. I mean I think I'm just I got caught in something that is a lot bigger than me. But I’ll tell you Carol, you know, I've been in and out of academic life all my life, but I think the last three weeks have taught me more about academic freedom as a value then than I ever dreamed. I mean, a lot of your listeners may think, oh academic freedom that's a privilege that professors have. You know, actually it has a much deeper connection to our democracy. Universities are among the first self-governing institutions and a lot of our ideas of democracy are connected to the idea of self-governing institutions. And when you see an institution fight like I've seen this one fight, you really discover a passion for self-government, self-rule, to be free of government interference that's very powerful. And I'm not swept up in it, I'm trying to lead it. But it's moved me a lot and deepened my attachment to universities and you know, to the stuff that we do and I think that's the thing I take away. I don't think I'm a player in the search but I think the fact you were kind enough to say, I’ve thought about this part of the world for a long time, I married into this part of the world. I think that actually helps me get some kind of handle on what's going on. But it's been an amazing adventure and it's not over and I'm not out of the woods and I don't want to proclaim victory. We're still in a really stubborn battle that could go on for some time and frankly I need, I mean I shouldn't be using you airwaves to do this, but I need all the support from Canada I can get.
CO: We will leave it there but we will be following this story. Mr. Ignatieff, thank you.
ME: Pleasure Carol.
CO: Good night.
JD: Michael Ignatieff is the president of Hungary's Central European University. We reached him in Budapest. And you can find more on this story on our website cbc.ca/aih.
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