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Blocking one comment of mine out three ain't as bad as CBC has been in the past EH Alex Johnston?
Sunday October 02, 2016
Ralph Nader on the ethics of voting for a third-party candidate, if polls show Donald Trump might win
Green Party presidential candidate Ralph Nader gives the
thumbs up to supporters, November 7, 2000 at the National Press Club in
Washington. (Michael Smith/Newsmakers)
Green Party presidential nominee, Dr. Jill
Stein, and Libertarian Party presidential candidate, Gary Johnson, did
not meet the qualification criteria to participate in the first
presidential debate. (Alex Brandon/AP, Lucas Jackson/Reuters)
more stories from this episode
- So now email's out of date too?! - Michael's essay
- Ralph Nader on the ethics of voting for a third-party candidate, if polls show Donald Trump might win
- When it comes to raising children, be a gardener, not a carpenter
- 100 years ago, Canada produced beautiful pianos. Now we send them to the dump.
- Full Episode
This week, the Democrats embarked on a full-court press to convince those tempted to vote for a third party candidate in the presidential election, not to do it.
In about five weeks, either Hillary Rodham Clinton or Donald John Trump will win that race. The outcome, however, may well depend on how many votes are cast for neither of them.
According to the most recent polls, support for the leader of the Libertarian Party, Gary Johnson, is hovering at around eight per cent of the popular vote. Green Party leader, Dr. Jill Stein, who has been a guest on The Sunday Edition, has about four per cent.
Those may seem like insignificant numbers, but in a tight two-way race, they could make a difference.
If the Democratic Party cannot save the country from the worst Republican Party in history with the worst candidate in history...then they should look in the mirror. - Ralph Nader
More than one political analyst is reminding voters of the outcome in the 2000 election. Republican candidate George W. Bush was declared the winner; the Democrats' Al Gore was the loser; and Green Party candidate Ralph Nader was dubbed "the spoiler."
Many believe that had Nader not been on the ballot, Al Gore would have become president, saving the world from the war in Iraq, and even the creation of ISIS.
Nader not only dismisses the notion that he's responsible for the election of George Bush, he argues that third and fourth party candidates are essential for a healthy democracy. He continues to call on voters to disrupt the current political system.
Ralph Nader is an activist, a lawyer and the author of several books. The most recent is called Breaking Through Power: It's Easier Than We Think.
Click the button above to hear Michael's interview with Ralph Nader.
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Blocking one comment of mine out three ain't as bad as CBC has been in the past EH Alex Johnston?
David Raymond Amos
Oh My My
Mr Enright you and Rotten Ralphy Nader the greedy Yankee lawyer who knows all there is about "Tort" spoke volumes today on Canadian airwaves financed by my fellow taxpayers EH? You clever dudes can Canadian dimes to Yankees dollars one dumb Maritimer enjoyed listening to your show one month before a very interesting election south of the 49th.
I must confess that to me your Sunday Edition this first week in October was a just another case of the pot calling the kettle black while CBC was assisting an old very greedy Yankee lawyer to hustle his books and take a few shots at his political opponents on both side of the 49th..
When it comes to fierce politicking you know as well as I that Canada is no better than the USA in that regard. Hell did you CBC dudes forget that I am one of the type of politicians that Nader laments about? In 2004 Nader and his lawyer buddy David Cobb and all the other political parties in Canada and the USA. The very unethical CBC in particular tried hard to ignore or even admit I existed in courts or the political forums for the past 14 years and throughout FIVE elections that I ran in Canada.
Ask Rotten Ralphy if he remembers this document and all the others that came with it.
https://www.scribd.com/document/326130147/Yankee-Lawyer-Rotten-Ralphy-Nader-and-Cohorts
Veritas Vincit
David Raymond Amos
Mr Enright you and Rotten Ralphy Nader the greedy Yankee lawyer who knows all there is about "Tort" spoke volumes today on Canadian airwaves financed by my fellow taxpayers EH? You clever dudes can Canadian dimes to Yankees dollars one dumb Maritimer enjoyed listening to your show one month before a very interesting election south of the 49th.
I must confess that to me your Sunday Edition this first week in October was a just another case of the pot calling the kettle black while CBC was assisting an old very greedy Yankee lawyer to hustle his books and take a few shots at his political opponents on both side of the 49th..
When it comes to fierce politicking you know as well as I that Canada is no better than the USA in that regard. Hell did you CBC dudes forget that I am one of the type of politicians that Nader laments about? In 2004 Nader and his lawyer buddy David Cobb and all the other political parties in Canada and the USA. The very unethical CBC in particular tried hard to ignore or even admit I existed in courts or the political forums for the past 14 years and throughout FIVE elections that I ran in Canada.
Ask Rotten Ralphy if he remembers this document and all the others that came with it.
https://www.scribd.com/document/326130147/Yankee-Lawyer-Rotten-Ralphy-Nader-and-Cohorts
Veritas Vincit
David Raymond Amos
Content disabled.
Over the past 16 years I have
asked a countless number CBC people if they recall all the legal
documents I sent to Sophia Harris its office in Toronto just before my
birthday in 2002. To a person everyone of the CBC people has played dumb
just like the clever Newfy Johnny "Never Been Good " Crosbie and his
good buddies Stevey Boy Harper and Petey Baby MacKay. However how can
the CBC lawyers explain page 14 of this old file.
https://www.scribd.com/doc/2718120/integrity-yea-right
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Here was CBC latest example of its Very Partisan Malice towards Mean Old Me and my reading CBC the riot act about its mandate before polling day while I was running in the latest federal election Correct?
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/fundy-royal-riding-profile-1.3274276
Blocking many of my comments ever since has not helped CBC's lawyers in their arguments with me on the phone or in a pending lawsuit I have yet to file.
Methinks before I do so ethical people within the CROWN Corp commonly known as CBC should finally read my letters and all the documents I sent to CBC and legions Yankee lawyers including Rotten Ralphy Nader and his many Green Meanie cohorts long before I ran in the election of the 38th Parliament and it denied that I ran in 5 elections since EH?
Perhaps you should long talk with the greedy old lawyer Harper appointed to be your boss Hubby Lacroix and the young Liebrano lawyer Melanie Joly who was appointed by Prime Minister Trudeau "The Younger" to be Canada's latest Minister to oversee you very sneaky snobby dudes in CBC?
Lacroix & his lawyers in Montreal must remember this letter I got months ago from Madame Joly a former wannabe mayor of that town N'esy Pas Mr Enright?
https://www.scribd.com/document/317811875/Melanie-Joly-vs-Hubby-Lacroix.
https://www.scribd.com/doc/2718120/integrity-yea-right
.
Here was CBC latest example of its Very Partisan Malice towards Mean Old Me and my reading CBC the riot act about its mandate before polling day while I was running in the latest federal election Correct?
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/fundy-royal-riding-profile-1.3274276
Blocking many of my comments ever since has not helped CBC's lawyers in their arguments with me on the phone or in a pending lawsuit I have yet to file.
Methinks before I do so ethical people within the CROWN Corp commonly known as CBC should finally read my letters and all the documents I sent to CBC and legions Yankee lawyers including Rotten Ralphy Nader and his many Green Meanie cohorts long before I ran in the election of the 38th Parliament and it denied that I ran in 5 elections since EH?
Perhaps you should long talk with the greedy old lawyer Harper appointed to be your boss Hubby Lacroix and the young Liebrano lawyer Melanie Joly who was appointed by Prime Minister Trudeau "The Younger" to be Canada's latest Minister to oversee you very sneaky snobby dudes in CBC?
Lacroix & his lawyers in Montreal must remember this letter I got months ago from Madame Joly a former wannabe mayor of that town N'esy Pas Mr Enright?
https://www.scribd.com/document/317811875/Melanie-Joly-vs-Hubby-Lacroix.
David Raymond Amos
For the public record (within
a CBC comment section at least) many ethical gear heads such as Mean
Old Me will never forgive or forget how the greedy self serving Yankee
lawyer Rotten Ralphy Nader destroyed the Corvair for personal and
political gain.
Clearly I am not alone in that reasoning. So says the New York Times anyway N'esy Pas Mr "All Knowing" Mean Mikey Enright?
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/27/automobiles/50-years-ago-unsafe-at-any-speed-shook-the-auto-world.html?_r=0
Whereas CBC as per its MO often blocks my comments for political reasons, need I say that I saved digital copies of your show and this webpage and created a blog and tweeted about it for legal reasons as well as per my MO?
http://davidraymondamos3.blogspot.ca/2016/10/the-evil-yankee-lawyer-rotten-ralphy.html
Clearly I am not alone in that reasoning. So says the New York Times anyway N'esy Pas Mr "All Knowing" Mean Mikey Enright?
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/27/automobiles/50-years-ago-unsafe-at-any-speed-shook-the-auto-world.html?_r=0
Whereas CBC as per its MO often blocks my comments for political reasons, need I say that I saved digital copies of your show and this webpage and created a blog and tweeted about it for legal reasons as well as per my MO?
http://davidraymondamos3.blogspot.ca/2016/10/the-evil-yankee-lawyer-rotten-ralphy.html
Edward Lynn Nygren
Doug Barr
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Hey Ralph, glad to hear you like Canada; if Trump wins the election will you move up here?
André Carrel
Much of the problem is due to the FPTP voting system. As Mr. Nader pointed out, we need proportional representation.
FPTP assumes that one party can have all the solutions to all the problems of any society.
And if the party elected falls short of that expectation, then FPTP elects another party to have all the solutions to all the problems. And when that party fails to produce as expected, then FPTP .... etc. etc. etc.
A system seldom if ever examined is what the Swiss established a century ago. The Swiss do not have a Prime Minister or President. They have proportional representation, and executive powers are vested in a cabinet limited by their constitution to 7 members, elected individually to four-year terms by their national parliament. The roles of president and vice president rotates among the members of the executive council on an annual basis.
In addition, the constitution provides that certain issues must be referred to referendum, and in addition it provides for citizen-initiated referenda on any issue where a sufficient number of citizens believe that their views are being ignored.
By that system Switzerland has been governed by a four-party coalition for over 70 years, they vote on 12 to 15 national referenda every year, and without natural resources of any kind their economy, system of education, social services are doing just fine.
Maybe the reason no country ever examines their system closely is because it makes the growth of political dynasties virtually impossible.
FPTP assumes that one party can have all the solutions to all the problems of any society.
And if the party elected falls short of that expectation, then FPTP elects another party to have all the solutions to all the problems. And when that party fails to produce as expected, then FPTP .... etc. etc. etc.
A system seldom if ever examined is what the Swiss established a century ago. The Swiss do not have a Prime Minister or President. They have proportional representation, and executive powers are vested in a cabinet limited by their constitution to 7 members, elected individually to four-year terms by their national parliament. The roles of president and vice president rotates among the members of the executive council on an annual basis.
In addition, the constitution provides that certain issues must be referred to referendum, and in addition it provides for citizen-initiated referenda on any issue where a sufficient number of citizens believe that their views are being ignored.
By that system Switzerland has been governed by a four-party coalition for over 70 years, they vote on 12 to 15 national referenda every year, and without natural resources of any kind their economy, system of education, social services are doing just fine.
Maybe the reason no country ever examines their system closely is because it makes the growth of political dynasties virtually impossible.
Gabrielle Villecourt
Nader is right. Americans do
have the choice and it is high time the take action. Yes it will be
hard to change things but they have to start somewhere.
"Third and fourth party
candidates might be essential for a healthy democracy" but a healthy
democracy is symptomatic of a sick and divided humanity. Democracy
evolved with the increasing belief everyone can have their own view of
life but the 'right' to our own view is wrong. The consequence will be
democratic self-destruction. With a common view we might be able to
prevent democratic self-destruction, if there's still time. http://thelastwhy.ca/
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