RE: Matter 375 - NB Power 2018-2019 General Rate Application This should prove the sneaky Yankees such as Wilbur Ross that I know how to read N'esy Pas Premier Gallant and and Bill Morneau?
"Content
disabled" Methinks these people should look into the relationship
between the Province of New Brunswick and the Irving Clan who are
purportedly Canada's biggest corporate welfare bums N'esy Pas?
Government subsidies for business are greater than Canada's entire defence budget
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From
Bombardier to General Motors to the oil and gas industry, Canadian
businesses benefit handsomely from government grants and tax breaks,
even though politicians on both the left and the right have opposed
so-called 'corporate welfare' for decades (Mario Tama/Getty Images)
For many Canadians, this country's social programs — like universal healthcare — are a source of collective pride.
But
while we take great comfort in the idea that our social safety net is
strong and generous, the facts don't bear out that rosy image.
Among the countries in the Organization for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD), Canada ranks 25th out of 37 when it comes to public spending on social services as a share of GDP. That's below that of the United States.
At the same time, Canadian government support for corporatewelfare is alive and well.
For Roberta Lexier, professor and historian at Mount Royal University, this amounts to a double standard.
"Austerity-minded
governments have been insisting that we can't afford the rising costs
of social programs without more deficits or higher tax burdens on
ordinary Canadians. But the argument does not apply, apparently, to tax
breaks or subsidies or grants for corporations," she told The Sunday Edition's guest host Peter Armstrong.
"I
think the general public probably doesn't even know how much money
corporations are receiving from the public purse. And I think it's in
the interest of many people to keep that conversation very quiet."
This,
despite the fact that parties on both the left and the right of the
political spectrum have opposed corporate welfare for decades.
In
1972, NDP Leader David Lewis railed against what he famously dubbed
"corporate welfare bums." In 2004 — this time from the right — Prime
Minister Stephen Harper spoke out against corporate welfare, and Conservative Leader Andrew Scheer is now following his lead.
But
just how much public money is being spent on business subsidies? It's
not always easy to find out — and that's part of the problem.
Some
of the most recent figures come from a study done by John Lester, an
executive fellow at the University of Calgary's School of Public Policy.
According to his report, the federal government and the four largest provinces in Canada collectively spend about $29 billion a year on business subsidies — delivered through the tax system, spending programs and government businesses enterprises.
Alberta leads the charge among the other provinces, Lester told The Sunday Edition. In
the 2014-15 fiscal year, per-person subsidies in Alberta were $640 —
about $100 ahead of the next most generous jurisdiction, Quebec.
Lester said that accessing these figures was one of the hardest projects he's ever undertaken.
While
there have been significant improvements in the data provided by the
federal government and in some of the provinces, Alberta remains an
outlier, he said.
"I had to resort to Access to Information
requests to find out which [spending] programs were in operation and how
much money was allocated to each."
The
the net loss on the government's 2009 GM bailout package is estimated
to be between $4 billion and $5 billion. The company recently announced
that it's shuttering its Oshawa plant. (Nathan Denette/Canadian Press)
Beyond the dollar amounts, Roberta Lexier said Canadians also need transparency about the conditions attached to the subsidies.
"There's
almost zero strings attached," Lexier said. "This became clear with
General Motors, for instance, when a decade ago they received a massive
bailout which ended up costing the taxpayers about $4-5 billion, and
then not long ago they just announced they're closing a plant in
Oshawa."
Lexier
also argued that much of corporate welfare is made possible outside
subsidies — through tax evasion and offshore tax havens, for example.
She
said the oil and gas industry is estimated to be sitting on $260
billion of environmental liabilities — something the public may very
well end up paying for.
"So much of this is hidden costs, or subsidies that aren't framed as subsidies," Lexier said.
'Corporate welfare bums'
Lexier believes these handouts reflect lopsided government priorities.
"[Finance
Minister] Bill Morneau, in his 2018 economic report, announced that
corporations would receive $14 billion in new tax breaks," she said.
"That
would be about the cost of a nationwide daycare program … and that's
just one example of where money could be spent on social programs.
While
it's become accepted wisdom that the market can and should balance
itself out, the same argument doesn't seem to apply when it comes to
corporations asking for help, Lexier added.
Finance
Minister Bill Morneau announced in his 2018 economic report that
corporations would receive $14 billion in new tax breaks. That's the
cost of a nationwide daycare program, says historian Roberta Lexier (Sean Kilpatrick/The Canadian Press)
"So
much of this argument is contradictory and self-serving," she said.
"We're told all the time that the market is supreme and functions best
without government interference. That's basically the premise of
neo-liberal economics … But when government largesse flows the way of
corporations, then that's fine."
And this is happening at a time when corporations are raking in record profits, she added.
"Where
are those subsidies actually going?" she asked. "Are they going to
creating good jobs or are they going to shareholders and CEOs?"
Lexier,
who is a historian of the NDP, has been researching David Lewis's
famous campaign against "corporate welfare bums." In fiery speeches on
the 1972 federal election campaign trail, Lewis would call out
individual multinational corporations that received large subsidies
while deferring their taxes.
"The
NDP elected 31 MPs in 1972 during that campaign, which was their
biggest caucus to that point," Lexier said. "It seemed Canadians were
really receptive to calls to rebalance this tax burden and direct
government spending to something other than corporate welfare."
Lexier believes the fight against corporate welfare calls for another champion today.
"I
think in our current context, a similar campaign would work incredibly
well," she said. "It's in the interests of corporations, and in some
cases in the interests of governments to keep some of this quiet… It's
going to take a lot of guts and it's going to take somebody stepping
up."
'Well-intentioned but poorly-informed'
For Lester, the issue is less about corporate welfare and more about flawed policies.
"While
I think that only a small portion of these subsidies that governments
offer actually work in the sense that they raise real income, I would be
a little bit reluctant to endorse the idea that we're indulging in
corporate welfare on a massive scale," he said.
Lester found that
while around 70 per cent of all government subsidies are intended to
improve economic performance and create jobs, most of them are not in
fact meeting that objective.
"The idea behind that would have to
be that you don't think the market is working properly and that the
income of Canadians — not just the people who are being subsidized but
the income of all Canadians — would on average be higher as a result of
these subsidies.
"It's
really tricky to do that right. You've got to be able to identify the
sector, set up a subsidy that's appropriate in the circumstances, and
then you have to figure out who's going to pay for it. If you're not
careful, you're going to get the average Canadian subsidizing people who
earn higher incomes."
At best, only a third of subsidies intended to raise real income actually achieve that objective, Lester said.
That's
because, in order to finance these subsidies, governments have to
either raise taxes or cut other kinds of spending, he said.
"The net creation of jobs that we're getting from that is pretty much zero," he said.
The battle for Lester, then, is for the public to convince governments to evaluate these programs in a more critical way.
"I
think we should probably give politicians the benefit of the doubt and
seeing that in most cases … they are offering subsidies to business
because they think it makes the economy perform better. And I think it's
our job to tell them that no they're not doing that," Lester said.
"I
think it's better to think of them as being well-intentioned but
poorly-informed, rather than being in bed with corporations."
Click 'listen' near the top of this page to hear the full conversation.
5 Comments
Doug Barr It
took some time but eventually we gave control of our existence to
Economy, a malevolent god intent on destroying humanity, and the
destruction is almost complete. It might not be too late to regain
control but it seems we lack the will necessary to acquire the needed
level of realized mental capacity. https://thelastwhy.ca/poems/2012/12/13/economy.html
Cissy Jefferson
Reply to @Doug Barr: What "control" do you speak of, and where, how and when was it ever exercised, and by whom?
Jennifer McIsaac In
our society, we are aware of many economic drivers and totally unaware
of others. We track GDP, we track job numbers, we track profits by
looking at stock prices and we want to always see these increasing.
But there are also costs that we don't think about as much - pollution,
health impacts, trade impacts and even air quality and climate change as
another segment of the show covers.
Subsidies are one of the motivators for the growth of industry and
wealth but rarely does it cover the mitigation of costs without strong
push-back from many vested interests.
We see this in the debate over reducing climate change. To make progress
in this area is going to cost money as we need to transition from
historical carbon based fuels and the very lifestyles to which we have
become accustomed. No-one wants change, no-one likes to take risks that
are around change so there is a huge rejection of taking positive
actions.
Yet these costs are not avoidable. How many tax financed environmental
cleanups have we seen? How much do we pay in increased health coverage?
How much do we pay for the ruination of our oceans with plastic
floating, sinking and killing the inhabitants of the sea?
We react to the observed factors but usually not to the hidden costs.
The result is a poorer habitat and a threat to the well being of not
only our species but just about every bother one on the planet because
we do not motivate cleanliness in the same way we motivate polluters
David Amos
Reply to @Jennifer McIsaac: "In our society, we are aware of many economic drivers and totally unaware of others."
Who is "We" ??? I hope that does not include me.
Methinks you know that you can trust that I know more than most folks think I do N'esy Pas?
Jennifer McIsaac In my opinion, one of the largest obstacles to make change is to change the way government works and is put into power.
There is no motivator for government to be transparent about business
subsidies when those receiving those subsidies do a lot to finance
government policy and elections. Despite the limits put on election
financing, the publicity about how important GDP and job numbers are to
the public are all part of business rhetoric.
What government wants to have corporations moaning about job losses due
to government subsidy cuts? Look at the SNC issue where threats of
losing jobs seems to have focused the government on having SNC avoid
legal actions in court. Or the recent Consumer airline bill of rights
which seems as much focused on airline rights as passenger rights in my
opinion. Or the constant issue over fossil fuel extraction and shipping.
But these are just current examples when this has been an historical
trend.
Part of this is the overwhelming pressure on government to make the
economy better all the time, when in a country like Canada with a
relatively small population, this depends so much on the more general
world economy and trade. The Canadian government really cannot do much
about the economy other than not do bad things as it really has few
things that can change it positively. As is said, if the US gets a cold,
Canada is deathly ill - because we depend on exports. So the response
by government is to try to improve business by subsidies without really
any hope that this action will make one iota of difference.
The tragedy is perhaps that the general public is not aware of all of
these interactions and their return on investment, and a belief in the
ideological propaganda generated by political Parties that is not based
on factual evidence.
David Amos Content disabled
Reply
to @Jennifer McIsaac: "The tragedy is perhaps that the general public
is not aware of all of these interactions and their return on
investment, and a belief in the ideological propaganda generated by
political Parties that is not based on factual evidence."
Methinks the awful truth is most folks simply don't believe in the
"ideological propaganda" of any political party because politicians
have been considered to be crooked for thousands of years Folks who
bother to vote just pick a team that best suits their personal interests
and hope things will change but they never do N'esy Pas?
David Amos
Content disabled
Methinks these people
should look into the relationship between the Province of New Brunswick
and the Irving Clan who are purportedly Canada's biggest corporate
welfare bums.
I bet that many would agree that the per-person subsidies are much higher than Alberta N'esy Pas?
"Multi million dollar subsidies NB Power is forced to provide the
province's big paper mills took centre stage at the utility's rate
hearing Monday with a retired NB Power engineer criticizing the practice
as thinly veiled corporate welfare."
NB Power first full rate hearing gets questions about big paper mills
The utility has applied for a two per cent rate hike beginning on July 1
Hickey registered to participate as a concerned citizen at the New Brunswick Energy and Utilities Board hearing. (CBC)
Multi million dollar subsidies NB Power
is forced to provide the province's big paper mills took centre stage
at the utility's rate hearing Monday with a retired NB Power engineer
criticizing the practice as thinly veiled corporate welfare.
"I'd
like to understand the program and I would like all the documentation
that's available on the program that will explain it to people," said
Gregory Hickey as he questioned a panel of NB Power executives about the
practice of buying renewable energy from paper mills and reselling it
back to them at a substantial loss.
"I think the people of this province deserve to know,"
NB
Power is in front of the New Brunswick Energy and Utilities Board for
its first full rate hearing, where all of its operations are open to
scruitny, since 1993.
The utility has applied for a modest two
per cent rate hike beginning on July 1, but for the first time in 22
years the application requires full disclosure and that is subjecting
the utility to some tough questioning.
Hickey registered to
participate as a concerned citizen and was given wide latitude by EUB
Chairman Ray Gorman to ask NB Power any questions he had, with the same
standing as the corporate lawyer for Enbridge who went before him and
the corporate lawyer for JD Irving who came after.
Hickey made the most of his chance.
I think the people of this province deserve to know.- Gregory Hickey
He
was especially curious about NB Power's Large Industrial Renewable
Energy Purchase Program which was unveiled by the Alward government in
2011.
It requires NB Power to buy renewable electricity generated
by paper mills at a high price - mostly hydro and biomass - and then
sell it back to the companies at a low price to help bring their power
costs down.
NB Power says in the first 27 months of the program it
bought 858.9 thousand megawatt hours (mwh) of electricity from the
mills for $81.6 million and then sold it back to the mills at $57.2
million.
NB Power lost $24.2 million on those transactions and
Hickey told the hearing if the utility is rich enough to subsidize
industry, it should be denied a rate increase.
Forestry company
JD Irving Ltd. is one of the biggest users of the program and its lawyer
at the hearing Gary Lawson tried to argue the $95 per mw/h mills are
paid for power is the going rate - and a fair price - for renewable
energy.
But NB Power has already disclosed in the hearing it only
pays $84 for wind energy and NB Power's director of strategic planning
and regulatory affairs, Neil Larlee, hinted current renewable prices are
much lower than that.
"The price has actually come down in the last couple of years," said Larlee.
Robert
Jones has been a reporter and producer with CBC New Brunswick since
1990. His investigative reports on petroleum pricing in New Brunswick
won several regional and national awards and led to the adoption of
price regulation in 2006.
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RE: Matter 375 - NB Power 2018-2019 General Rate
Application This
should prove the sneaky Yankees such as Wilbur Ross that I
know how to
read N'esy Pas Premier Gallant and and Bill Morneau?
Hey
Clearly I have some serious issues to dispute with Darren Murphy the CFO of NB POWER and the rest of his cohorts within a Crown Corporation. This is as brief as I can make an argument in support of the need of my testimony in the 375 Matter about what occured within it and the 357 Matter etc. In a nutshell I have every right to be an Intervenor and to testify as a witness under oath. NB POWER and its cohorts in NBEUB failed to prove why I have no right to do so. However they certainly proved to anyone who knows how to read what has been published why they should be prosecuted libel ASAP. Section 300 of the Canadian Criminal Code applies to lawyers too. If you don't think I was libeled then introduce me to your lawyer. The public shows that NBEUB did bar me for malicious reasons on October 31st yet permitted me to attend the public hearings this month in order to advise my friends Gerald Bourque and Roger Richard. On February 7th Gerald Bourque did manage to ask Darren Murphy and his associates on NB Power's 1st panel of witnesses a few questions that I had asked him to. Need I say that I enjoyed their responses? The NBEUB also allowed me to speak for 21 minutes during the Public Session that evening but the transcript of the aforesaid session has not been filed in the NBEUB records as of yet.
My friends Gerald Bourque and Roger Richard as Intervenors in this matter have every right to say and do what they wish which also includes paying heed to my advice or ignoring it altogether. The filings of Roger Richard in this matter easily attest to the fact that initially he wished for me to testify on his behalf in this matter. However after Daniel Leblanc appeared in the matter in order to speak on my friend's behalf I was removed as a witness. So be it. The NBEUB and all the other Intervenors know the truth of my concerns anyway byway of many filings within the 357 and 375 Matters. More importantly I stated my opinion of this fancy little circus in no uncertain terms of the evening of February 7th and I look for to reviewing what I said in the heat of the moment.
This weekend after I read the transcript of the 3rd day of the hearing I ried to convince my friend Roger Richard to ignore Leblanc's advice and put me in his witness list again. However he did not wish to, so I respectfully backed away again and will not interfere with my friend's plan to stop smart meters going to NB. Methinks the key to it will be the media N'esy Pas Mr Jones?
These documents can be sourced from the records of the 375 Matter http://www.nbeub.ca/opt/M/browserecord.php?-action=browse&-recid=560
02/07/2018 Hearing - Day 1 / Audience - 1ier jour
Page 295
VICE-CHAIRMAN: Thank you. So there is the two interveners 6 or two participants in the proceeding that have no legal counsel. One is Mr. Richard and the other one is Mr. Bourque. So I just want to provide -- yes, Mr. Rouse?
MR. ROUSE: I guess I don't have legal counsel either.
VICE-CHAIRMAN: True. So you are -- NCFS doesn't have legal counsel?
MR. ROUSE: That's correct.
VICE-CHAIRMAN: So I will address the three of you then. So Mr. Bourque and Mr. Rouse -- I think, Mr. Rouse, you know how the proceeding proceeds. So Mr. Bourque, essentially when it comes and you have a panel, they are subject to cross-examination. And if you do have any questions specifically to the panel, you will be asked to come in front and ask your question to whomever your questions you want to ask to. Now if there is an objection to your questioning I would ask you to stop and at that point what I will do is I will hear the person who was objecting to your question and afterwards I will hear if you have any other comments to make regarding the objection and we will deal with those -- with the objection as it comes. So do you understand that?
MR. BOURQUE: Yes, I do and thanks for explaining it.
VICE-CHAIRMAN: Okay. Thank you. Monsieur Richard, essentiellement qu’est ce qui va arriver, pis quoi je mentionnais en anglais, c’est que vous êtes non-représenté par un avocat donc vous – peut-être que vous connaissez pas toute la façon que les procédures fonctionnent. Donc, l’Énergie Nouveau-Brunswick a différent panel qui – qui vont introduire pour – pour – pour contre-interrogatoire, donc si vous avez des questions a demandé aux personnes, donc, vous allez poser vos questions à ces personnes-là. Et puis si y’a une partie qui s’objecte à votre question, j’vous demanderais juste d’arrêter. Et puis quoi ce que la Commission va faire c’est qu’elle va entendre la partie qui s’objecte. Et puis à ce moment-là j’vas vous demandez si vous avez aucun commentaire à regarder l’objection et puis on – on va – on va rendre une décision à ce point-là relativement à l’objection. Est-ce que vous comprenez ceci.
DR. RICHARD: Oui. Oui, Monsieur Vice-président.
VICE-CHAIRMAN : Pis je comprends aussi que, Monsieur Richard, que vous êtes un professionnel, donc durant la procédure vous serez pas ici à tous les jours. J’pense que vous avez autorisé un Monsieur LeBlanc de – d’être ici à – pour vous représenter lorsque vous serez dans votre clinique. Je ne sais pas où votre clinique est, donc ce que je comprends bien que cette personne-là va vous représentez lorsque vous serez pas disponible.
DR. RICHARD : Oui c’est bien ça
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CROSS-EXAMINATION BY MR. BOURQUE:
Q. - Mr. Murphy, as Chief Financial Officer, do you agree with 13 the accounting of KPMG?
MR. MURPHY: Sorry, do I understand the question, do I agree with the accounting of KPMG?
Q. - Yes.
MR. MURPHY: Yes, I do.
Q. - Do you know the account -- the KPMG auditor, and if so who are they?
MR. MURPHY: Sorry, I am having a little difficult time 21 hearing up here, did you say the owner or the author?
Q. - The auditors, sorry about that.
MR. MURPHY: Yes, I do. I know the primary partner on our particular audit file.
Q. - Do you have a name for them?
MR. MURPHY: Our primary audit partner is Jamie O'Neil.
Q. - Jamie O'Neil. And I was a bit surprised that when I asked the question earlier and there was -- the audit was not signed and any business I have ever been involved with before, the auditors always came and made the presentation of the audit and this didn't appear to happen. Is there a reason for that?
MR. MURPHY: So I am not exactly sure of the reference that's being made, but our audit statements are signed every year. As described, we have a very traditional process in terms of the auditors coming in and making a final presentation to the boards of directors. It's at that time that we do sign off on the audited statements and they are available online for anybody to go in and view them.
Q. - Mr. Murphy, are you familiar with David Amos and Greg Hickey and their concerns about the payout to pulp mills by the NB Power Large Industrial Renewable Energy Purchase programs and the fact that the U.S. Department of Commerce consider it corporate welfare affecting the American interest and with trade with Canada?
MR. FUREY: Mr. Chair, we have been down this road before in previous hearings. Mr. Hickey addressed this in at least one, and if I am not mistaken, two hearings. And I believe where we objected to certain questions of Mr. Hickey in the past like this, the Board concluded that relevant questioning -- that it would be a relevant question to ask questions related to compliance by NB Power with provisions of the Electricity Act and the LIREPP regulation, the renewable regulation, which includes the LIREPP program, but debate about policy, as to whether or not LIREPP is a desirable policy is not a matter for this Board and I think we have had that resolved in previous hearings.
VICE-CHAIRMAN: Mr. Bourque, Mr. Furey is right. We did have -- when Mr. Hickey was here last year, and I think at other hearings, we had that debate and so it's a policy issue. If you have questions regarding LIREPP, regarding compliance, I think you are permitted to ask those questions, but if it's questions regarding policy, regarding the LIREPP program, it's not relevant and it's in the legislation so --
MR. BOURQUE: I wasn't aware of what took place last year.
Q. - Mr. Murphy, are you aware of my friend, David Amos and the concerns with the NB Power since 2006?
MR. MURPHY: I would not say that I am aware of any detailed concerns that Mr. Amos has expressed.
Q. - Have you read the filings that NB Power filed into the record of this matter since -- on October 30th of 2017?
MR. MURPHY: Yes, generally I have read all the documents.
Q. - Have you read the transcript of the hearing on October 2 31st?
MR. MURPHY: I did not read the transcript.
Q. - And have you read the emails that Mr. Amos sent since then?
MR. MURPHY: I did not read the emails. If there is something in particular that's filed on evidence that you would like to bring up on the screen for me to review, I am happy to review it and answer questions on it, but I have not read the emails.
Q. - Ms. Clark, why does NB Power consider the smart meter it wished to attach to my home a federal matter? If I get sick, or because of an injury to my home or property, do I sue the federal or do I sue NB Power?
MS. CLARK: So with respect to the smart meters, the AMI installation, we would be complying with all of Health Canada's Guidelines with respect to the meter installation.
Q. - So if there is a problem NB Power is responsible for it or the federal, if you are complying by the federal regulations?
MR. FUREY: Mr. Vice-Chair, I don't think that's a fair question to address to this panel.
VICE-CHAIRMAN: Is there going to be another panel that can address his question, Mr. Furey?
MR. FUREY: Well to be asked to comment in advance on circumstances in which liability might arise, you know, certainly if there is a specific fact circumstance presented, maybe the question could be answered, but this is very broad.
VICE-CHAIRMAN: So are you suggesting that if he rephrases his question that this panel could answer the question?
MR. FUREY: I guess I would have to hear the question, but I -- what I am saying is the question as framed is I think impossible to answer. And it's unfair to ask any witness to commit to liability around a question as broad as if something goes wrong.
VICE-CHAIRMAN: Mr. Bourque, can you reframe your question?
Q. - Well my -- my concern is the spending of a lot of money for the smart meters. And as we heard earlier this morning, the temperature has a big temp' -- a big effect on the use of power. Well do we need to spend millions of dollars to tell us when the temperature gets colder and that? NB Power knows that. When the temperature goes down, they are going to have to start producing, you know, more power to supply the demand. And I think it's really -- wonder if it's worth sending that. The other thing is I have received some videos off the internet of smart meters where they literally caught the side of the house on fire. There was pictures of just around the meter and that. So if that happens to my house, who is responsible?
VICE-CHAIRMAN: Panel?
MS. CLARK: I will address your question in two parts. The first part of it is with respect to the installation of smart meters or the AMI project. The example that was given would be a perfect reason for NB Power to install advanced metering infrastructure. During the times when the utility or when the province is facing very cold temperatures, having the advanced metering infrastructure in place would allow customers to have more information readily available during the month. So when we are dealing with high bill complaints, like we have been this last month due to the extremely cold temperatures, customers would actually be able to see their usage throughout the month and not be subject to receiving a final bill at the end of the month and being surprised by their consumption because of the cold weather. So this would be a perfect example of why the advanced metering infrastructure would be in the -- it would be in the benefit of our customers. The second piece, I think with reference to the safety of meters, we will be following Measurement Canada safety standards, Health Canada safety standards. All of our meters will be tested. And during the install, we will actually be able to look at customers' premises to see if there are any issues related to safety that we should be addressing at the time. There are specific incidents where there have been some issues with meters being installed, but those are very specific to either the geographical location where they were being installed or the customers' equipment itself. But again when we are actually installing the meters, as we are installing 355,000 meters across the province, we will actually be able to visually inspect each one of those locations to see if there is any issues with respect to the meter itself or the installation that's on the customers' premises. But it would depend on what exactly it is we find as to how it would be handled.
Q. - I got one final question. If a customer decides he doesn't want a smart meter at his place, can he opt out?
MS. CLARK: Yes, absolutely. We will have an opt out policy.
MR. BOURQUE: Thank you.
VICE-CHAIRMAN: Thank you. Is that all your questions, Mr. 20 Bourque?
MR. BOURQUE: Yes.
VICE-CHAIRMAN: Okay. Thank you.
MR. BOURQUE: Thank you.
02/09/2018 Hearing - Day 3/ Audience - 3ième jour
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MR. CRONKHITE: That is a pretty broad statement. If you could be a little bit more specific on restrictions you are referring to.
Q. - Well for an example, Mr. Cronkhite, would be the LIREPP program restricts how your generation assets are used. Would you agree with that?
MR. CRONKHITE: The LIREPP program is simply a input of renewable resources into the system. It does not, in my opinion, for the size of the contribution, restrict our operations in any way.
Q. - Okay. You have purchase power agreements. Do they mot also dictate or indicate how your generation assets can be used?
MR. CRONKHITE: Certainly we do have power purchase arrangements when energy would be an example where we need to incorporate that wind when it's generated. As a result of that, we do position, so I think maybe Ms. Desmond may be asking this that we do need to position our remaining fleet to accommodate or adjust and follow that wind variation as it operates today. Not unlike that we would have with embedded generation assets, and to a much smaller degree obviously, home generation around solar and different items such as that.
Q. - If we were to maximize the benefits of AMI in our smart grid, isn't it also true that we should maximize the use of our generation supply assets that we currently have, and wouldn't that mean revisiting some of these existing constraints?
MR. CRONKHITE: We are always mindful of the existing commitments that we have on our system today. When we look forward with respect to the time frames, and as I mentioned earlier, that this is a managed transition not over five years, but over 15, 20 and 25 years, we are always mindful and that's why we have looked at power purchase arrangements that are coming due in the mid-20s and beyond that we allow the freedom and flexibility for us to make the correct adjustments, as we move towards those particular milestones. With respect to new generation coming on line, that's why we do the modelling, that's why we do sensitivities around various scenarios to ensure that we are optimizing to the best of our ability. One of the foundational items around our Energy Smart NB plan is being able to connect with customers to connect to intermittent generation that we know is coming onto the system in the near term and medium term and having more visibility on that. So that exactly we can optimize our generation fleet more effectively today through visibility on this distributed generation resources so that we can synchronize it much more effectively with the system moving forward.
Q. - I wasn't specifically asking about new generation. It really was the existing constraints that you have to work around and deal with in terms of generation dispatch.
MS. DESMOND: Okay. I think those are all of our questions though. Thank you very much.
BY THE BOARD:
VICE-CHAIRMAN: Thank you, Ms. Desmond. So I think we do have -- as Board members we do have a couple of questions to ask. So I will start. I am looking at your current business case that you have before us with your total project contribution of minus $1.3 million. And from the evidence that we have heard the last couple of days, is that you consider this as a breakeven number, and I think that that's what you were telling us, Ms. Clark. So the normal individual, your rate customer, would you not think that he would not perceive your $1.3 million as a breakeven number?
MS. CLARK: I guess in the context in which I was using breakeven is it is an investment rationale document and it's intended to cover the life cycle costs of the program, and those are assumptions and it's hovering very close to zero when you look at it over the life cycle. I think in the last few days of the hearing, we have indicated that it's more than breakeven and would even say that if we were to incorporate the adjustments, and the undertaking we just took from Ms. Desmond to provide the adjustments that were recommended in the Synapse report, we are looking at an investment rationale that is leaning closer to probably $10 million or 8 or $9 million. And if we were to quantify some of those non-quantifiable benefits and be less conservative in some of the estimates that we put in the investment rationale document, I think we could easily get to a $10 million improvement. Again, and I know you have heard this before, the intention was to come in as conservative as possible, and know that we had all the potential upside. In hindsight, perhaps we should have taken a different approach, but I do believe that we can demonstrate that we have a positive investment rationale as well.
VICE-CHAIRMAN: So there was discussion around -- and I think it was brought forward by Mr. Bourque and Dr. Richard, all about -- and Ms. Desmond regarding the option of option in and option out. Have you surveyed your current residential customers to see who will opt in and who will opt out before making $123 million investment?
MS. CLARK: Customer engagement is a big part of this project, and we are as concerned as you would be about making that sort of an investment. So we will be doing, as part of our customer engagement, but part of it is the focus group that we did early on is people don't understand what the smart meter is, so part of it would be around education of what the smart meter is and the benefits it can provide to customers. So we need to educate our customers first and then allow them to make an informed decision. So that will be part of the roll-out plan and we will check and adjust along the way. If there are issues concerning the social engagement or a customer's uptake, you know, this is very similar to what has been done in other jurisdictions and they haven't had those challenges, but if we did, we certainly wouldn't be looking at making an investment of this size without having the customer with us.
VICE-CHAIRMAN: Well don't you think, Ms. Clark, that you should have your educational piece before the Board approves $123 million spend?
MS. CLARK: I recognize the challenge. The commitment the utility would make is, as part of the project itself, we would be doing -- undertaking the engagement process with our customers again starting with the education piece. Assuming that was positive, we would proceed and we are prepared to give the Board updates, as we come forward, either through the general rate application or through any other process including the quarterly updates we are providing at this point in time on our infrastructure, so that can be done and conditional with the approval of the project.
VICE-CHAIRMAN: So I am trying to understand the objective of the AMI, and there was discussion, so can -- and I am having a little bit of difficulty understanding what is the objective or objectives that you are trying to do with AMI?
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VICE-CHAIRMAN: I was a bit surprised when I heard this morning and yesterday that you are entering into a contract at the end of February and is that with respect to the purchase of the smart meters?
MS. CLARK: That's correct.
VICE-CHAIRMAN: So how can you enter into a contract without the firm approval of this Board, if we are going to approve or not the AMI? How prudent is that?
MS. CLARK: So we are at the end stages of the contract in terms of just the final terms and conditions, but we have been very clear that we -- with the vendor -- and they recognize that, because we also have Nova Scotia Power, who is part of our consortium, who also needs Board approval. So should we not get -- this is conditional on EUB approval. So should we not get EUB approval, the contract would not proceed.
VICE-CHAIRMAN: Now there was discussion yesterday, I think it was with Mr. Stoll regarding time of use and time based pricing, and so I went through the evidence this morning, and in your main evidence, and I think one of the objective of having the AMI going forward to a time of use price structure -- rate structure. So am I understanding that correctly?
MS. CLARK: That is correct. And in the evidence, we did answer an interrogatory on that and you will see that AMI is an enabler for time varying rates in the Energy Smart NB Plan. And we did have time varying rates included in our investment rationale. We took it out, because we couldn't -- we couldn't pinpoint without more detail as to what those time varying rates may be and the benefit of those, so we took them out of the investment rationale at this point in time, but certainly it's something that we are looking at in the future.
VICE-CHAIRMAN: So the fundamental question here is that the Board should heard -- or hear Matter 357 before approving the AMI? So if we don't approve time of use, that basically what will happen with your AMI, I mean it's -- if we don't approve the time of use, which we are going to hear next year, how can we proceed in approving the AMI before we look at the rate structure?
MS. CLARK: As we have talked about in our investment rationale, there are a number of other benefits to both the customer and to the utility over and above time varying rates that we believe are important for the utility and for the movement forward of our Energy Smart New Brunswick plan. Many of those benefits accrue to the customer. And many of those benefits accrue to the utility and ultimately the customer. So even if we were not to move in the direction of time varying rates, we believe that the investment rationale supports the AMI installation based on the other investment -- or based on the other benefits that it provides.
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CHAIRMAN: All right. I will now give the decision of the Board on this matter.
Mr. Amos seeks intervenor status in Matter 375. NB Power objects to his intervention claiming his conduct during the hearing of a motion in Matter 357 was confrontational and that his arguments lacked any connection to the issues before the Board. The Board agrees with that assessment.
In the present matter, Mr. Amos was given ample opportunity to put forward a case that would support a respectful and responsible intervention. He failed to do so, rolling forward issues raised in Matter 357 and not addressing the issue before us today.
Mr. Amos states that the interests he would bring before the Board are those raised by Mr. Bourque and Mr. Richard. The Board is satisfied that those two intervenors can adequately represent those issues. In addition, those issues will undoubtedly be addressed by the Public Intervenor and others.
Page 85
The Board finds on a balance of probability that Mr. Amos will not participate in this matter in a respectful and responsible manner. As a result, the Board will exercise its discretion and refuse intervenor status to Mr. Amos. Intervention is encouraged but it must be responsible.
Mr. Amos may participate in the public session which date will be announced shortly. But again he is reminded that any presentation must be done in a respectful and responsible manner.
Finally, Mr. Amos had indicated that he wished to assist his two colleagues that are sitting with him today. And certainly the Board has no issue with that at all. But Mr. Amos will have no status at the hearing in terms of cross-examination or making any argument. So that is the decision of this Panel with respect to the status of Mr. Amos.
Are there any other issues to deal with today? There being no other issues, then we will adjourn.
This exhbit was filed by NB Power along with many others to support my barring from the 375 Matter
NB Power Notice of Objection - Appendix I 10/30/2017
For the benefit of my fellow stakeholders I wish to explain all of the transcript found above of under oath
NB Power Senior VP Operations Lori Clark speaks during the EUB hearings Friday in Saint John. (Robert Jones/CBC NEWS)
NB
Power customers who do not want a smart meter installed on their home
could be facing a stiff fee for that decision, but so far the utility is
not saying how much it might be.
"It will be based on the
principles of cost causation, but we have not gotten into the detail of
what that fee would be at this point," said NB Power Senior Vice
President of Operations Lori Clark at Energy and Utilities Board
hearings on Friday.
In
other jurisdictions that have already adopted smart meters, customers
not wanting to participate have faced hundreds of dollars in extra
charges.
Thousands of pages of evidence on a number of issues, including smart meters, have been submitted for the 12-day hearing.
In
British Columbia, power customers are charged a meter reading fee of
$32.40 per month if they refuse a smart meter, or $20 per month if they
accept a smart meter but insist its radio transmitter be turned off.
That's a cost of between $240 and $388.80 per year for customers to opt
out.
In Quebec, smart meters were installed beginning in 2012.
Customers who refused the devices were initially charged $98 to opt out
plus a meter reading fee of $17 per month. That was eventually cut by
Quebec's energy board in 2014 to a $15 refusal fee and a $5 per month
meter reading surcharge.
NB Power said it may be a year or more before it settles on its own fee.
"The
opt out policy will be developed and implemented as part of the roll
out. It will be one of the last things we do," said Clark.
Customers need to be on board
NB
Power is in front of the New Brunswick Energy and Utilities Board
seeking permission to spend $122.7 million to install 350,000 smart
meters province wide.
Smart
meter opponent Roger Richard, right, leads a group worried about human
health problems caused by long term exposure to the devices. (Robert Jones/CBC NEWS)
The
meters are capable of transmitting consumption data of customers back
to NB Power in real time, which the utility said will allow for a number
of innovations in pricing and service.
The meters require near
universal adoption by customers to maximize their financial benefit —
like eliminating more than $20 million a year NB Power currently spends
to read meters manually. The utility has said the switch will not
succeed if too many customers opt out.
"We certainly wouldn't be looking at making an investment of this size without having the customer with us," said Clark.
On
Thursday, Kent County resident Daniel LeBlanc, who along with Roger
Richard, is opposing the introduction of smart meters for health
reasons, predicted a cool reception for the technology in many parts of
the province.
"If one were to ask most of
the people in the rural areas, I'm not sure you would get a lot of
takers for this infrastructure," said LeBlanc, who is concerned with the
long-term effect microwave frequencies used by the meters to transmit
data may have on human health.
That issue is before the EUB next week.
Haven't tested the waters
NB
Power acknowledged it has not measured public opinion on adopting smart
meters but is confident it can convince customers it is a good idea for
them and the utility.
"People don't understand what the smart
meter is," said Clark. "We need to educate our customers first to allow
them to make an informed decision so that will be part of the roll out
plan."
Clark noted that smart meters, helped by stiff opting out
penalties, were eventually accepted by 98 per cent of customers in
British Columbia and by 97.4 per cent of customers in Quebec.
"We will check and adjust along the way if there are issues with customer uptake," said Clark.
"This is very similar to what has been done in other jurisdictions and they haven't had those challenges."
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I hear this morning that Canada has made application to take the US/Cdn softwood lumber dispute before the NAFTA Chapter 19 dispute resolution panel. They interviewed some trade expert from Queens University(if my memory has not failed me here) on the CBC NB morning show...he thought it would be a "touchy situation" regards outcome this time around. We know the NB saw-mills are being hit with countervailing and dumping duties but I am asking myself about the pulp-mills which are receiving the fraudulent LIREPP subsidy...*we are even subsidizing a US based pulp-mill with NB Pwr ratepayers $s !*...that being the one on the US side(Madawaska) being fed from the Edmundston pulp-mill switch-yard as they feed its electrical supply for that US operation from the Canadian Edmundston mill side...all supplied via NB Pwr at multi-million $ discounts each year. There is no "renewable energy" received onto the NB Pwr electrical grid...the whole thing is a fraudulent subsidy scam! **G.* * On 16/11/2017 10:00 AM, David Amos wrote: > Methinks Mr Furey is gonna regret having an ethical computer N'esy Pas Moe? > > Enjoy your day fellas. If don't wake up tommorrow please know it is > because I died laughing in my sleep. > > Best Regards > Dave
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Ellen
Desmond, a lawyer for the New Brunswick Energy and Utilities Board,
objects to NB Power's request to keep the compensation details for its
vice-president of nuclear a secret. (CBC)
The
lawyer for New Brunswick's Energy and Utilities Board is objecting to
NB Power's attempt to keep the salary of its nuclear vice-president
secret — setting up a hearing on the issue as early
as Wednesday morning.
"Board staff object to this claim for
confidentiality," Ellen Desmond wrote in a letter to NB Power lawyer
John Furey on Tuesday about the effort to keep the salary being paid to
Brett Plummer from being publicly released.
The board will hear
arguments on that and other issues on Wednesday at a hearing designed to
sort out disputes over evidence that NB Power must provide in advance
of its February rate hearing. It is possible NB Power will be given a
day to respond to Desmond's letter, which could require a second hearing
later in the week.
Plummer
is a U.S. Navy-trained nuclear operator who was hired by NB Power as
its chief nuclear officer and vice-president nuclear in late 2015. His
job is to oversee attempts to improve Lepreau's disappointing
post-refurbishment performance.
Compensated for low loonie and high taxes
Brett Plummer is NB Power's vice-president of nuclear with a
salary agreement that pays him comparable to what his after-tax income
would be in the United States. (LinkedIn)
NB Power agreed to
pay Plummer enough money to help him achieve similar after-tax income
in New Brunswick as he could command in the U.S. That involves paying
Plummer extra to compensate for the low Canadian dollar and high
Canadian taxes.
The U.S. dollar is currently worth 32 per
cent more than the Canadian dollar and New Brunswick residents pay the
highest upper income taxes in the country, with the tax on earnings over
$200,000 set at 53.3 per cent.
That suggests Plummer would have
to be paid substantially more than other NB Power vice-presidents to
meet the requirements of his contract, but NB Power does not want to
release those details.
Future price protection sought
"Public
disclosure of amounts paid under these contracts would undermine the
ability of NB Power to obtain competitive pricing for these services in
the future," the utility wrote in a request to the Energy and Utilities
Board last week to keep Plummer's pay confidential.
But in her letter to the EUB, Desmond disputes that.
"Publication of the information in question to the public is necessary in the public interest," she wrote.
Publication of the information in question to the public is necessary in the public interest.- Ellen Desmond, lawyer for EUB
"The
amounts allocated as compensation are paid by the ratepayers in New
Brunswick and this information should be disclosed," Desmond wrote.
"In
addition there is no evidence on the record that the public disclosure
of this information would undermine the ability of NB Power to obtain
competitive pricing for these services in the future."
In addition
to Plummer's salary, Desmond also asked for a ruling on whether NB
Power should provide some information about the Point Lepreau nuclear
plant it has withheld, citing security concerns.
Citizen
intervener Gregory Hickey has also made a motion asking for more
information on NB Power deals with large industrial customers to buy
renewable power from them at prices much higher than what NB Power
charges when the electricity is then sold back to the same companies.
Greg
Hickey, a private intervener, had asked that NB Power pretend it wasn't
stuck with a number of costly long-term contracts imposed on it by
government, and present those figures to the Energy and Utilities Board. (CBC)
Electricity customers are getting closer to
finding out what the total amount of politically imposed costs on NB
Power are, although the public may never see the final amount.
Preliminary
calculations, reported to the Energy and Utilities Board (EUB) as part
of NB Power's current rate hearing, suggest NB Power could be providing
electricity to customers for $64.1 million less than it does, if not for
a variety of requirements imposed on it, mostly by the legislature.
However
the utility has requested that an updated estimate of that $64.1
million amount be kept confidential, raising the likelihood the public
will never know the full cost.
The Energy and Utilities Board told NB Power to do a 'real economic dispatch' for its upcoming hearing in May. NB
Power's politically imposed functions include providing subsidies to
industry, committing to expensive wind power over cheaper alternatives,
and other measures that force the utility to buy electricity at
above-market rates.
The EUB and its chairman, Raymond
Gorman, were challenged by NB Power critic and self-represented
intervener Greg Hickey during last year's rate hearing to dig into the
issue.
This year, they did just as Hickey asked.
"My
observation, Mr. Chairman, is that decisions in this province get made
in the halls of power based on political influence, and I don't think
sufficient in-depth engineering technical analysis gets done on the
making of the sausage," Hickey told the EUB in his final comments last
June.
Hickey then asked that NB Power be allowed to pretend it
wasn't stuck with a number of costly long-term contracts imposed on it
over the years so it could compare prices it pays to what it could
generate on its own or buy in the open market.
He called it a "real economic dispatch."
"Take
the cuffs off and let the professionals at NB Power who know what to
do, do their job," said Hickey. "And let's find out what the political
burden is on this utility."
Hickey is not participating in this
year's rate hearing, but the EUB picked up on his request and had NB
Power do as he asked as part of preparing its evidence for this year's
hearing, which begins in May.
"Please complete a 'real economic
dispatch' for 2016-2017, as described by Mr. Hickey during summation for
Matter 272," requested the board as part of a series of written
questions to NB Power.
NB
Power's overall bills are higher because the utility must accept power
from provincial wind farms, buy renewable power from large industry, and
take all of the electricity from two natural gas generators at the
Irving Oil refinery, as well as other politically imposed deals. (CBC)
Matter 272 is the file number for last year's rate hearing.
NB
Power came back with a report showing it could save an estimated $64.1
million next year if, among other issues, it weren't forced to:
Accept power from provincial wind farms when cheaper alternatives are available.
Buy renewable power from large industry and sell it back to them at nearly half the price.
Take all of the electricity from two natural gas generators at the Irving Oil refinery, no matter what the price.
Figures incomplete
The
EUB wasn't completely satisfied with that answer. It asked for
additional calculations that assumed NB Power wasn't tied into one other
long-term contract.
Although NB Power supplied an updated estimate last week, it has requested the new total be kept confidential.
Greg
Hickey did not immediately respond to a request to be interviewed on
the ongoing impact his appearance last year is having, but Chris Rouse,
who also attended last year's rate hearing as a self-represented
intervener, applauded the EUB for not letting go of the issues raised by
Hickey.
"I think they're really demonstrating that they're
listening," said Rouse. "This is something that concerns all New
Brunswickers, not just Greg Hickey. It took a lot of courage for him to
get up and do what he did and so I think they (the EUB) appreciate
that."
NB Power had no immediate comment on the information it
supplied to the EUB on Hickey's question, but said it welcomes
individuals like Hickey and Rouse involving themselves in its hearings.
"This
is a wonderful way for NB Power and the EUB to learn more about what
customers care about and how we can improve our business to their
benefit," NB Power spokeswoman Deborah Nobes stated in an email to CBC
News.
"We are very supportive of the process because it allows
individual customer voices to be heard along with groups who may be
represented by other types of interveners."
Hickey registered to participate as a concerned citizen at the New Brunswick Energy and Utilities Board hearing. (CBC)
Multi million dollar subsidies NB Power
is forced to provide the province's big paper mills took centre stage
at the utility's rate hearing Monday with a retired NB Power engineer
criticizing the practice as thinly veiled corporate welfare.
"I'd
like to understand the program and I would like all the documentation
that's available on the program that will explain it to people," said
Gregory Hickey as he questioned a panel of NB Power executives about the
practice of buying renewable energy from paper mills and reselling it
back to them at a substantial loss.
"I think the people of this province deserve to know,"
NB
Power is in front of the New Brunswick Energy and Utilities Board for
its first full rate hearing, where all of its operations are open to
scruitny, since 1993.
The utility has applied for a modest two
per cent rate hike beginning on July 1, but for the first time in 22
years the application requires full disclosure and that is subjecting
the utility to some tough questioning.
Hickey registered to
participate as a concerned citizen and was given wide latitude by EUB
Chairman Ray Gorman to ask NB Power any questions he had, with the same
standing as the corporate lawyer for Enbridge who went before him and
the corporate lawyer for JD Irving who came after.
Hickey made the most of his chance.
I think the people of this province deserve to know.- Gregory Hickey
He
was especially curious about NB Power's Large Industrial Renewable
Energy Purchase Program which was unveiled by the Alward government in
2011.
It requires NB Power to buy renewable electricity generated
by paper mills at a high price - mostly hydro and biomass - and then
sell it back to the companies at a low price to help bring their power
costs down.
NB Power says in the first 27 months of the program it
bought 858.9 thousand megawatt hours (mwh) of electricity from the
mills for $81.6 million and then sold it back to the mills at $57.2
million.
NB Power lost $24.2 million on those transactions and
Hickey told the hearing if the utility is rich enough to subsidize
industry, it should be denied a rate increase.
Forestry company
JD Irving Ltd. is one of the biggest users of the program and its lawyer
at the hearing Gary Lawson tried to argue the $95 per mw/h mills are
paid for power is the going rate - and a fair price - for renewable
energy.
But NB Power has already disclosed in the hearing it only
pays $84 for wind energy and NB Power's director of strategic planning
and regulatory affairs, Neil Larlee, hinted current renewable prices are
much lower than that.
"The price has actually come down in the last couple of years," said Larlee.
Robert
Jones has been a reporter and producer with CBC New Brunswick since
1990. His investigative reports on petroleum pricing in New Brunswick
won several regional and national awards and led to the adoption of
price regulation in 2006.
Olddawn It
would be nice what the "Short Term energy purchases" are and where they
are from because " approximately 25 to 35 per cent of total supply
requirements, and approximately 50 to 55 per cent of total fuel and
purchased power costs (p. 24)." Last report was $580M (p. 32) so we
spent around $290M for 23-35% of our power. No deal for NBers. . http://www.nbpower.com/.../annual/2014_Annual_Report_EN.pdf
I think, NB Power should rebuild the dam with two more turbines --
highly efficient renewable dispatchable power -- but do it without
"partners". Plus, I think the power is from Emera's 285MW Bayside
Power and Irving's Grandview Power Generating Plant. NB Power foes not
own a natural gas fired plan but Emera and Irving do.
And, it is interesting the Irving owed the 285MW Bayside Power Plant
until 2009 when they sold it to Emera. In Nova Scotia Emera is Nova
Scotia Power -- so tey collect the revenue from ratepayers. The mills
are also putting power on the grid using natural gas
NB Power needs to fire up the super clean 1000MW Coleson Cove Power
Generator and whole take back the grid. NB Power was both the producer
and deliverer of power until Bernard Lord opened it for private
producers.
NB has been plundered by Irving. Heroes like Gregory Hickey are rising.
Janet Eileen (Allen) Matheson
1949-2016
Matthew 14: 35 & 36
The men brought unto him all that were diseased that they might only
touch the hem of his garment: and as many as touched were made
perfectly whole.
Sunday, March 13th, 2016 Janet left this world and was welcomed to her
heavenly home. Janet was the younger daughter of the late Dorothy and
Robert (Bob) Allen. She is survived by her son Jordan and her two
daughters Angela (Willie) and Ann (Grady) as well as her two
grandchildren Brad and McKayla who brought her endless joy. She is
also survived by a sister Roberta as well as many friends. Janet was
born in St. Stephen New Brunswick on November 2, 1949. She lived all
of her life in St. George. After the birth of her children Janet
worked for many years driving school bus and working at the
kindergarten in St. George until her health would no longer permit. A
loving, kind, compassionate woman, Janet lived her faith on a daily
basis uplifting each person who had the great fortune to meet
her.
The service will be held from St. Mark’s Anglican Church,
conducted by the Rev. Mary Anne Langmaid and the Rev. Gordon Cooke, at
2:00 PM, March 14, 2016. Visitation will be from noon until service
time.
The pallbearers will be the Extra Mural Nurses who lovingly cared for
her the last twenty four years. After a private family interment
friends are welcome to join family for a time of remembering in the
Church Hall. In lieu of flowers donations to the donor’s choice
or the St. George Food Bank would be appreciated by the family.
Saint-John, New-Brunswick city councillor Gerry Lowe stands across the
street from the Irving Oil refinery facilities this week in Saint-John,
NB. Photo by Michael Hawkins
“Do you see, it’s over there,” said Gerry Lowe, pointing out across
the cove as we stood on the shores of the Bay of Fundy on the outskirts
of Saint John, New Brunswick, gazing into the distance towards the
Canaport LNG terminal – its three enormous grey concrete storage tanks
and jetty just visible in the midday gloom. It was a bitterly-cold
overcast day in January of last year and Lowe, a garrulous 73-year-old
Saint John city councilor, was giving me a guided tour of New
Brunswick’s largest city in his black Ford sedan. I’d come to this
hardscrabble burgh to research the Irvings – Canada’s seventh-richest
family.
It was no accident Lowe had driven me out to have a look at the LNG
terminal – which unloads natural gas from tankers that steam into Saint
John’s port. The terminal is at the center of a bitter dispute pitting
the region’s largest energy company, Irving Oil Ltd., against Saint
John’s city hall. In so doing, it’s become a potent symbol of all the
problems inherent with corporate welfare in Canada – and in New
Brunswick especially.
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what transpired at eh NBEUB on Oct, 31, 2017
and these documents with
regards the U.S .Commerce Dept concerns about NB
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against me by Mr. Furey a former Assistant Attorney General of New Brunswick
during a public hearing the following day? If not the transcript of the
aforesaid hearing is hereto attached in order that you can never claim that
you and many others were not duly informed of my concerns of the
malice practiced against by a Crown Corp, as for this date.
Correct?
With regards the other two document hereto attached and the text
of the forwarded emails, trust that I have been in contact with the
U.S. Commerce Dept. and many others about my concerns with NB Power
for quite some time.
Veritas Vincit David Raymond
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8. New Brunswick Large Industrial
Renewable Energy Purchase Program
The New Brunswick Department of Energy
and Resource Development (DERD) and New Brunswick Power (NB Power), a Crown
corporation, administers the Large Industrial Renewable Energy Purchase
Program (LIREPP) pursuant to the Electricity from Renewable Resources
Regulation and with authority under the Electricity Act. According to the
GNB, the program has two main objectives: (1) reach NB Power’s mandate
to supply 40 percent of its electricity from renewable sources by 2020
by buying energy from large industrial customers; and (2) bring
large industrial enterprises’ net electricity costs in line with the
average cost of electricity in other provinces.
The LIREPP program is
available to any large industrial company that produces renewable energy and
owns and operates a facility that has an electrical energy requirement of not
less than 50 GWh per year, that obtains all or a portion of its electricity
on a firm basis (vs. interruptible basis) from NB Power, and that exports at
least 50 percent of its primary products produced to another province
or territory within Canada or outside the country. There is no
formal application process. Despite LIREPP participation being available
to all large industrial users, the GNB has reported that there are a small
number of users of the program and that all companies participating in LIREPP
operate within the pulp and paper industry.
Under the LIREPP program, NB
Power first determines the credit it wants to give the large industrial
customer, such as Irving; NB Power then works backwards to build up to that
credit through a series of renewable energy power purchases and sales and
additional credits. This overall credit is known as “Net LIREPP” or the “Net
LIREPP adjustment,” and it appears on the participating
customers’ electricity bill as a credit applicable to their total
electricity charges. Irving reported that it participated in the LIREPP
program and received a Net LIREPP credit on each of its monthly
electricity bills. Irving’s receipt of the LIREPP credit is recorded in
its accounting system as a rebate.
According to the GNB, DERD performs
a calculation to determine the Canadian average firm energy rate (in $/MWh)
for the relevant industries, and then calculates the difference between that
rate and the average firm energy rate in New Brunswick. This differential
is annually calculated as a percentage. This percentage, known as
the Target Reduction Percent, is the amount by which NB Power reduces
the total electricity costs for LIREPP participants. When the
Target Reduction Percent is multiplied by the LIREPP participant’s
firm energy usage it yields the Target Discount. The Target Discount is
the amount by which NB Power reduces the electricity bill of the
LIREPP participant.
We preliminarily determine that the LIREPP program
provides a financial contribution in the form of revenue foregone, as
described under section 771(5)(D)(ii) of the Act. We further
preliminarily determine that the Net LIREPP credits provided under the
program confer a benefit within the meaning of section 771(5)(E) of the
Act because Irving received a credit from the GNB to offset
its electricity costs. We also preliminary determine that this program
is de facto specific under section 775(5A)(D)(iii)(I) because the
actual recipients of the subsidy are limited in number.
Because this
program provides benefits on a recurring basis, to calculate the benefit from
the electricity credits that Irving received under the LIREPP program, we
summed the total amount of energy subsidies reported by Irving during the
POR. We divided this total by the appropriate sales denominator.On this basis
we preliminarily determine the countervailable subsidy for Irving to
be 1.58 percent ad valorem.
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David. I was able to understand a bit better the
argumentation. Roger.
Irving
constitutional challenge a threat to pollution rules 6-week trial likely to
unfold in 2018 CBC News Posted: Oct 13, 2017 6:30 AM AT
69
Comments (The tally was at 72 comments before I refreshed the
page) Commenting is now closed for this story.
At least I got quite a
few posted despite the evil moderators
David Raymond
Amos Content disabled. David Raymond Amos I must say I find it very
interesting that the Irvings would employ the local law firm of Cox &
Palmer to take on the Feds with a constitutional challenge and yet in the
very same court the Empire strikes using the fancy law firm McCarthy Tétrault
from Upper Canada to sue the Private Woodot Owners Association in Southern
New Brunswick. Go Figure.
Methinks something smells rotten in New
Brunswick and its far more than the wild life that the Empire has been
killing for years. Methinks the stink is coming from all the old farts called
Queen's Counsels and the politicians who took an oath to the same Queen.
The Irving Empire is the result of their malevolent actions but
the lawyers. banksters and the politicians assisting them are the
true source of all our woes
David Raymond Amos Content
disabled. David Raymond Amos Not thats more than merely interesting I get
a "Content disabled" notification from CBC the very instant I posted my last
comment about lawyers and politicians in this "News: item
David
Raymond Amos Content disabled. David Raymond Amos Yep the moderators no
doubt changed shifts and your gatekeepers are hard at work blocking me again
for malicious reasons N'esy Pas Hubby Lacriox and Minister
Joly?
David Raymond Amos David Raymond Amos @Mark
Murphy
"The farms along the Saint John River system are more detrimental
to the rive as a whole We used to be able to drink clear water out
of Washademoak Lake and Grand Lake 35 years ago."
Farms along the
river have been there long before your great grandfather's time. The farmers
did us no harm as they about the business of feeding us.
Could the
fact that we can't drink the water anymore be because of the run off of all
the crap NATO buried in Base Gagetown or the crap sprayed on our forests and
farms for the benefit of corporations such as Monsanto and the Irving
Empire?
"what comes out of that Mill is a hell of a lot cleaner today the
it was 60 years ago"
That ain't saying much in your buddy Irving's
defense. I suspect it would be a hell of a lot worse if it were not for the
environmental laws put in place over the same sixty years. Now the Irvings
want to argue the environmental laws etc with a Charter challenge because
they don't like having armed DFO people storm their offices or
paying fines? Yea Right not on my watch.
Irving
Pulp and Paper charged with dumping into St. John River Fines could total
millions if company is found guilty of dumping harmful substance at Saint
John mill By Connell Smith, CBC News Posted: Dec 01, 2016 1:32 PM
AT
David Raymond Amos David Raymond Amos Methinks CBC, the
Crown, the Conservation Council, the lawyers Helene Beaulieu and George
Cooper know how much the treehugger in me will enjoy the Irving's Charter
challenge
David Raymond Amos David Raymond Amos @Colin Seeley
"A national public health organization says changes the New Brunswick
government made to the Office of the Chief Medical Officer of Health don't
make sense."
Notice that CBC did not offer a comment section in order for
folks to rebut this top bureaucrat's snobby nonsense?
Frank
Knowles Frank Knowles @Randy Scott This isn't a province. We live in
the Irving Fiefdom. Only difference is Feudal lords looked after their serfs,
even if it was poorly.
David Raymond Amos David Raymond Amos @Frank
Knowles Methinks the correct term that describes the present situation in New
Brunswick is "Oligarchy"
However I like to call it OILgarchy" because
that is what made old KC so wealthy in the first place.
Mark
Murphy Mark Murphy @Randy Scott you need to go to school so you can speak
and articulate yourself better
Mark Murphy Mark
Murphy @David Raymond Amos "the correct term that describes the
present situation in New Brunswick " is Bankrupt
David Raymond
Amos David Raymond Amos @Mark Murphy Nope not by a long shot. I have been
screaming for years that we should just take all the pensioners money that
John Sinclair and his pals are playing with and pay off nearly all our debt
to Frank McKenna's Bankster buddies. Then honour our commitment to the
retirees out of general funds after that.
Is that too hard to
understand? The Irving minion Blaine Higgs and the union bosses etc whom he
wined and dined thought so in 2013.
Mark
Murphy Mark Murphy @William Roberts and your point is . What's the current
number 35% less still 49% more ..what are the current numbers .. 10 year
old garbage is still 10 year old garbage .
Just stinks
more
David Raymond Amos David Raymond Amos @Mark Murphy Wrong 10
year garbage hardly stinks at all Its the stuff from yesterday created by our
politicians that reeks to the high heavens. Methinks we must get the garbage
and the unethical politicians out of the house soon before the province is
condemned.
Mark Murphy Mark Murphy @William Roberts try typing
English or French .. your not very good at either
David Raymond
Amos David Raymond Amos @Mark Murphy Methinks that is a classic ad hominem
by an obvious Irving pal who can't argue well.
Mark Murphy Mark
Murphy @William Roberts and you cant spell worth a darn .. you grasp of
the English Language and grammar is poor . go back to school
David
Raymond Amos David Raymond Amos @Mark Murphy Methinks you two deserve each
other
David Raymond Amos David Raymond Amos @Tim Trites "one that
has caused ordinary Canadians the most harm was granting business entities
the status of people in relation to the Constitution. they decided
corporations should have the same rights as people."
Methinks you hit
the nail on the head. Politicians know that Irving lawyers whom I call dumb
and dumber ain't got a prayer of pulling this nonsense off on behalf of their
greedy client because it they did win a lot of politicians would be run out
of office.
However I have no doubt whatsoever that the lawyers will be
happy to argue this matter all the way to the Supreme Court and lose
because they will bill the Hell out of the Irvings for their oh so
precious time and legal expertise. Trust that I will love the
circus.
David Raymond Amos David Raymond Amos @Brian Beaton Good
luck checking the books of private companies controlled
offshore
Mike Morton Mike Morton @James Lebreton
Bingo!
Who better to specify a more effective test than Lynn McCarty, the expert who
happens to be on the payroll.
David Raymond Amos David Raymond
Amos @Mike Morton Trust that I checked that very questionable lady out of the
gate.
"A
Review of Air Quality in Saint John, New Brunswick for JD Irving Ltd;
Development of 14 Ontario air quality guidelines based on values established
by other agencies."
"Critical body residue validation for aquatic
organisms exposed to chemicals causing toxicity by baseline narcosis, a
3-year European Chemical Industry Council"
"An Ecotoxicological
Evaluation of a Whitewater Spill at the Fraser Inc. Pulp Mill, Edmundston NB,
for Stewart McKelvey Sterling Scales"
and on and on
Need I say
HMMM??
Rosco holt Rosco holt @Fred Brewer " when the Alward
government proposed to give even more crown land to Irving for
clear-cutting,"
I'm more under the impression that he was ordered and he
obeyed, just like when the current government fired the chief medical officer
and closed her department.
David Raymond Amos David Raymond
Amos @Rosco holt Methinks you are quite likely correct on both
counts
Mike Morton Mike Morton @Rosco holt aka Captain
Obvious
David Raymond Amos David Raymond Amos @Mike Morton aka Sgt
Furious
William Roberts William Roberts @Alex Forbes Irving
grip on NB and the Maritimes in a nut shell. Unvarnished reality!!
William
Roberts William Roberts @William Roberts “What you have is a classic
captured state situation, in which a corporation essentially takes over
making policy for government,” says Bowser. “We saw this across Eastern
Europe.”
David Raymond Amos David Raymond Amos @William Roberts
I have crossed paths with both Browser and Livesey and do not trust either of
them as far as I could throw them. In my humble opinion they are part of the
controlled opposition just like your friend in the New Brunswick Conservation
Council. I labelled them as the Green Meanies and the NDP and the liberals as
the Fake Left long ago. At least the Conservatives do not fake
right.
Trust that I love debating them all when I am allowed to and they
have the sand to take me on.
David
Raymond Amos David Raymond Amos @William Roberts Too Too Funny how you
ignored my response to you
David Raymond Amos "Content
disabled." David Raymond Amos @David Raymond Amos With reference to the
upcoming legal argument with the Crown. Methinks I should inform the folks
who truly care that New Brunswick does not have a constitution. Hence we must
rely on the Federal Charter. With that fact in mind methinks the Irving's
lawyers may have filed their "Charter Challenge" in the wrong court. At
least this a law N'esy Pas?
Jurisdiction
of Federal Court Marginal note:Relief against the Crown 17 (1) Except as
otherwise provided in this Act or any other Act of Parliament, the Federal
Court has concurrent original jurisdiction in all cases in which relief is
claimed against the Crown.
Marginal note:Cases (2) Without restricting
the generality of subsection (1), the Federal Court has concurrent original
jurisdiction, except as otherwise provided, in all cases in which
(a)
the land, goods or money of any person is in the possession of the
Crown;
Be I be mistaken or not at least the Irving lawyers and the
Crown cannot deny that a layman is practicing the spirit of full
disclosure. Correct?
David
Raymond Amos "Content disabled" David Raymond Amos @David Raymond Amos
"Content disabled" ???
Oh My My perhaps the CBC bosses should read their
email carefully today N'esy Pas?
I caught the CBC gatekeepers
napping again when they changed shifts N'esy Pas?
David Raymond
Amos David Raymond Amos @David Raymond Amos Yo CBC are you still blocking
me?
David Raymond Amos David Raymond Amos @David Raymond Amos With
reference to the upcoming legal argument with the Crown. Methinks I should
inform the folks who truly care that New Brunswick does not have a
constitution. Hence we must rely on the Federal Charter. With that fact in
mind methinks the Irving's lawyers may have filed their "Charter Challenge"
in the wrong court. At least this a law N'esy Pas?
Jurisdiction
of Federal Court Marginal note:Relief against the Crown 17 (1) Except as
otherwise provided in this Act or any other Act of Parliament, the Federal
Court has concurrent original jurisdiction in all cases in which relief is
claimed against the Crown.
Marginal note:Cases (2) Without restricting
the generality of subsection (1), the Federal Court has concurrent original
jurisdiction, except as otherwise provided, in all cases in which
(a)
the land, goods or money of any person is in the possession of the
Crown;
Be I be mistaken or not at least the Irving lawyers and the
Crown cannot deny that a layman is practicing the spirit of full
disclosure. Correct?
I
guess the above link is an exercise in creative writing. Irving's moral
compass only points towards money. I didn't see any reference to this story
in the Gleaner yesterday.
David Raymond Amos David Raymond
Amos @Mike Morton Methinks you have shown us a perfect example
of "Doublespeak" a word George Orwell coined long before I was
born.
In 2004 I had no doubt whatsoever Orwell's ghost and those of my
those of my Conservative forefathers agreed with me when I called
the Liberal control of the CBC and the Irving Empire's control of
the media in New Brunswick "Newspeak"
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Irving
constitutional challenge a threat to pollution rules 6-week trial likely to
unfold in 2018 CBC News Posted: Oct 13, 2017 6:30 AM AT
33
Comments At least one was "Content disabled."
David Raymond
Amos Methinks CBC, the Crown, the Conservation Council, the lawyers
Helene Beaulieu and George Cooper know how much the treehugger in me
will enjoy the Irving's Charter challenge
David Raymond
Amos "Content disabled." @David Raymond Amos With reference to the
upcoming legal argument with the Crown. Methinks I should inform the folks
who truly care that New Brunswick does not have a constitution. Hence we must
rely on the Federal Charter. With that fact in mind methinks the Irving's
lawyers may have filed their "Charter Challenge" in the wrong court. At
least this a law N'esy Pas?
Jurisdiction
of Federal Court Marginal note:Relief against the Crown 17 (1) Except as
otherwise provided in this Act or any other Act of Parliament, the Federal
Court has concurrent original jurisdiction in all cases in which relief is
claimed against the Crown.
Marginal note:Cases (2) Without restricting
the generality of subsection (1), the Federal Court has concurrent original
jurisdiction, except as otherwise provided, in all cases in which
(a)
the land, goods or money of any person is in the possession of the
Crown;
Be I be mistaken or not at least the Irving lawyers and the
Crown cannot deny that a layman is practicing the spirit of full
disclosure. Correct?
I
guess the above link is an exercise in creative writing. Irving's moral
compass only points towards money. I didn't see any reference to this story
in the Gleaner yesterday.
David Raymond Amos @Mike Morton Methinks
you have shown us a perfect example of "Doublespeak" a word George Orwell
coined long before I was born.
In 2004 I had no doubt whatsoever Orwell's
ghost and those of my those of my Conservative forefathers agreed with me
when I called the Liberal control of the CBC and the Irving Empire's control
of the media in New Brunswick "Newspeak"
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Date:
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Subject: Automatic reply: EXT - Perhaps Mr
Gorman QC of the EUB and
the other lawyers will remember me now EH Ricky
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Date:
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Subject: RE: Final Docs
To: David Amos motomaniac333@gmail.com
Will
get right on this.
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N.B.'s
softwood lumber envoy will seek return of border tax exemption
David Wilkins,
who is getting paid about $658,000, says exemption
'just makes good
sense'
CBC News Posted: May 23, 2017 6:36 PM AT
"David Wilkins, who
was in Saint John on Tuesday afternoon with
Premier Brian Gallant, said his
goal is to get a return of the
long-standing exemption on border taxes on
softwood lumber exports
from the province."
The ghost of the former
LIEbrano Minister of Indian Affairs Andy Scott
who I ran against in the
election of the 39th Parlaiment and everybody
else and his dog knows that
after the sneaky lawyers David Wilins and
Brian Gallant were talking tough
about Trump in Saint John I had a lot
to say in Federal Court in Fat Fred
City the very next day EH Minister
Morneau, Matt DeCourcey, Chucky Leblanc
and Andre Faust?
Your buddy Stevey Boy Murphy of CTV must recall this
interview EH Chucky Baby?
Me,Myself
and I
David Amos
Published on Apr 1, 2013
Although the Crown Corp
commonly known as the CBC/RadioCanada sent its
sneaky reporters to watch
Brucy Northrups lawyers whine and cry and
the RCMP?GRC do the same in court
in Moncton on the 24th at least the
other Crown Corp the RCMP/GRC sent two of
its chickenshit French
members who would not even identify themselves to me
in order to
listen to every word and take notes N'esy Pas Bobby Paulson and
Hubby
Lacroix?
MLA's
lawyers ask for dismissal of Windsor Energy defamation suit
Former cabinet
minister's lawyers say judge's ruling on seismic
testing permission should
also be thrown out
By Jacques Poitras, CBC News Posted: May 24, 2017 6:14 PM
AT
"Northrup's lawyer, Fred McElman, argued Wednesday that when
the
provincial highway passes inside municipal boundaries — as Route
1
does where Windsor was testing — then permission from both
is
required.
Windsor's lawyer Andrew Rouse said the law doesn't
mention that scenario.
"If the municipality is to have jurisdiction over
that highway, it
must be done explicitly," he said.
Status
quo deemed 'unacceptable' years before Moncton Mountie
shootings, trial
hears
Police force charged in connection with shooting deaths of 3
Moncton
officers, wounding of 2
By Bobbi-Jean MacKinnon, CBC News Posted:
May 24, 2017 9:00 AM AT
"On Tuesday, an expert on police militarization
in the United States,
testified that arming police with high-powered rifles,
such as
carbines, can actually reduce safety for the public and
officers.
Peter Kraska, a professor at Eastern Kentucky University, said
if
citizens see officers as occupiers, it can result in more
violence."
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Date:
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Subject: Out of office Re: Here ya go folks
please enjoy the hearing
today in Federal Court and the notes I read from as
I argued the
Queen's sneaky little minions who think they are above the law
and the
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From:
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Date:
Thu, 25 May 2017 00:14:35 +000
Subject: RE: Here ya go folks please enjoy the
hearing today in
Federal Court and the notes I read from as I argued the
Queen's sneaky
little minions who think they are above the law and the rest
of us as
well
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Friday,
28 April 2017
Attn Wilbur L. Ross, Jr. I just called about Softwood
Tariffs
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From: Premier
Date: Fri,
28 Apr 2017 19:02:21 +0000
Subject: Automatic reply: [PROBABLE-SPAM] Attn
Wilbur L. Ross, Jr. I
just called about Softwood Tariffs
To: David
Amos
Thank you for your email to Premier McNeil.
This is an
automatic confirmation your email has been received.
Warmest
Regards,
Premier's Correspondence Unit
For the Public record
these are the documents I attached to my email
about Softwood Tariffs
.
Wilbur
L. Ross, Jr.
Secretary of Commerce and "King of Bankruptcy"
C/o
Office
of Public Affairs
202-482-4883 publicaffairs@doc.gov
The
documents hereto attached to and from Arnold & Porter and others
should
refresh the memories of your Canadian clients and my Yankee
opponents as
well.
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From: David
Amos
Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2017 12:18:29 -0400
Subject: I just called about
Softwood Tariffs
To: dkoschik@whitecase.com,
vdesantis@whitecase.com
Cc:
"David.Raymond.Amos"
J.D.
Irving Ltd. had advantage in fighting for lower tariff, says Roger
Melanson
Irving denies advantage over other companies because of operation in
Maine
By Jacques Poitras, CBC News Posted: Apr 26, 2017 6:03 PM A
"The
company uses a top Washington law firm, White and Case, that
specializes in
international trade."
Stillwell didn't know me
from Adam and didn't much care and disagreed
with me about Trump's actions.
So I told him to cantact the Maritime
Lumber Bureau because they have had my
documents since 2005 and they
and the Feds are the ones who dropped the ball
dealing with Trump
about softwood tariffs. It was not all Gallant's fault
this time but a
lot of the blame can be shouldered by Blaine Higg's and his
old buddy
David Alward who is now our top Fed in Beantown.
Tuesday,
14 February 2017
RE FATCA, NAFTA & TPP etc ATTN President Donald J. Trump
I just got
off the phone with your lawyer Mr Cohen (646-853-0114) Why does he
lie
to me after all this time???
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From: Michael Cohen
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2017
14:15:14 +0000
Subject: Automatic reply: RE FATCA ATTN Pierre-Luc.Dusseault I
just
called and left a message for you
To: David Amos
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Donald J. Trump. All future emails should be
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message ----------
From: "Finance Public / Finance Publique (FIN)"
Date:
Fri, 10 Feb 2017 22:05:00 +0000
Subject: RE: Yo President Trump RE the
Federal Court of Canada File No
T-1557-15 lets see how the media people do
with news that is NOT FAKE
To: David Amos
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correspondence. Please be assured
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commentaires.
YO Jean-Pierre Blais the Smiling Bastards in Google had my
old
Faithful Motomaniac333 deleted today Right after I sent an email
to
Dick Tracy and the FEDS
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From: "Gallant, Premier Brian (PO/CPM)"
Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2017
00:32:01 +0000
Subject: RE: YO Jean-Pierre Blais the Smilling Bastards in
Google had
my old Faithfull Motomaniac333 deleted today Right after I sent
an
email to Dick Tracy and the FEDS
To: David Amos
Thank you for
writing to the Premier of New Brunswick. Please be
assured that your email
will be reviewed.
If this is a media request, please forward your email
to media-medias@gnb.ca.
Thank you!
Monday,
6 February 2017
Yo Chucky Leblanc RE latest JDI lawsuit Here is scoop for ya
the media
won't touch BTW I called your old pal Jeannot Volpe at (506) 737
4436
and left voicemail just so he can't say I talked behind his back
N'esy
Pas?
---------- Original message ----------
From: "Gallant,
Premier Brian (PO/CPM)"
Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2017 16:10:07 +0000
Subject: RE:
Yo Chucky Leblanc RE latest JDI lawsuit Here is scoop for
ya the media won't
touch BTW I called your old pal Jeannot Volpe at
(506) 737 4436 and left
voicemail just so he can't say I talked behind
his back N'esy Pas?
To:
David Amos
Thank you for writing to the Premier of New Brunswick. Please
be
assured that your email will be reviewed and if a response
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requested, it will be forthcoming.
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et qu’une réponse vous parviendra à sa
demande.
'I
was pretty sure it was coming': Hainesville sawmill prepares to
close over
tariff
Hainesville Sawmill Ltd. will close next week but owner
hopeful
business will resume in 6 months
CBC News Posted: Apr 27, 2017
12:12 PM AT
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