Methinks the sad days for Canada began when Trudeau "The Elder" became Prime Minister

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/service-canada-gender-neutral-1.4585629

Service Canada's gender neutral directive is 'confusing' and 'will be corrected' says minister

Front-line workers asked to use gender-neutral term 'parent' instead of mother or father

By Catharine Tunney, Peter Zimonjic, CBC News Posted: Mar 21, 2018 8:38 AM ET


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 Another top thread I commented on goes "Poof"

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Replying to @DavidRayAmos @TheGuardian_002 and 49 others
Within "Most Liked" thread of "Dwight Williams" The liberals know that they are angering a lot of Canadians over very minor issues yet continue to do so for no reason I will ever understand. Methinks they must want to lose the next election N'esy Pas?
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David Amos 
@Dwight Williams The liberals know that they are angering a lot Canadians over very minor issues yet continue to do so for no reason I will ever understand. Methinks they must want to lose the next election N'esy Pas? 



Robert Paul

This is what only 0.02% of the population wants. This is not what Canadians want. This is not democratic. Get rid of Trudeau.

Troy Mann

@Robert Paul

How is something enacted by Parliament "undemocratic"?

What threshold do minorities have rights? .5%? 1%? 10%? 49%? I just assumed no matter the population size of a minority they have rights.

I've always believed the government should see me as a 9 digit number, aka my sin number. I've always believed that was the conservative part of me speaking and wanting my government to see us all the same.

David Amos

@Troy Mann "I've always believed the government should see me as a 9 digit number, aka my sin number."

Interesting statement. Why don't you consider yourself a human being first?

For instance when I was born there was no such thing as SIN number. I had to apply for one in the sixties before Simpson Sears would give me a job in Fredericton. Since then I paid taxes, founded my own company and hired many other people over the years to work with me.

Years later I quit and wound up living in the USA (I did not go bankrupt in Canada) Sometime in the1990s the Feds deleted my SIN number for no reason I will ever understand. Recently when the Feds refused to give me my CPP money the war started in court in Fredericton. It goes on to this very day. The Feds tell me I must apply to revive my SIN number and I see no need I prefer to remain the human being I am rather than some number nameless bureaucrats identify me with.

David Amos

@David Amos I wonder if anyone recalls my reply to @Dwight Williams yesterday? It was as follows

"The liberals know that they are angering a lot Canadians over very minor issues yet continue to do so for no reason I will ever understand. Methinks they must want to lose the next election N'esy Pas?"

 
Arthur Robeson

"Luke....I am your parent number one".

Bill Edward Goate

@Arthur Robeson Should I get parent number one a tie for Genetic Material Donor's Day?

David Amos

@Arthur Robeson Methinks we should ponder what the ghosts of our foreparents think of Trudeau The Younger's defense of peoplekind N'esy Pas?

 
John Myro

Hello peoplekind

David Amos

@John Myro "Hello peoplekind"

Methinks those strange dudes will never respond I bet they crawled under a rock as soon as Trudeau The Younger put a spotlight on them N'esy Pas?

 

Barry Todd

And many thought that this government couldn't get any sillier.

David Amos

@Barry Todd "And many thought that this government couldn't get any sillier."

Imagine how silly things will get if the Senate puts a stop to Trudeau The Younger's dope smoking plan? Methinks the circus will be really entertaining then N'esy Pas?

Mario Doucet

How can anyone possibly support this absurd government?

Robert Paul

@Mario Doucet

Cowardice to resist them.

Troy Mann

@Mario Doucet

I believe all Canadians are equal, sorry you see some as inferior to you and thus they do not deserve our governments respect and rights.

Andrew H

@Troy Mann Oh, did Mario say he felt some were inferior to him and don't deserve rights or respect? Do you have some sort of special power the rest of us don't?

Randy lehee

@Troy Mann where did that defensive rant come from or even relate?sad.

David Amos

@Mario Doucet "How can anyone possibly support this absurd government?"

I asked the same question about the Harper government

David Amos

@Troy Mann So you are you saying that we get the governments we deserve?

 

Cole Trickle

I don't remember Canadians being asked about switching up our entire method of communication.

Daisy Sey

@Cole Trickle He's the boss.........for now!!

David Amos

@Daisy Sey YUP but only "For Now"

 

Richard Sharp

There's got to me more to this. Respectful yes, but parent no. 1? Stick with father, mother, Mr. and Ms.

David Amos

@Richard Sharp "Stick with father, mother, Mr. and Ms."

I agree

  

Mario Doucet

Just when we thought things were getting too stupid, Trudeau strikes again.

David Amos

@Mario Doucet Methinks ya gotta love the circus N'esy Pas?

 

Craig Hagman

What the hell happened to common sense?

David Amos

@Craig Hagman Methinks that everybody knows that common sense and politicking don't mix N'esy Pas?

 

Jerry Maguire

"The new directive also includes a warning that the government agency employees will be observed to ensure they are following the protocols."

Wow, story even includes a warning that big brother is watching. Sad day in Canada, it really is.

David Amos 

@Jerry Maguire "Wow, story even includes a warning that big brother is watching. Sad day in Canada, it really is."

Methinks the sad days for Canada began when Trudeau "The Elder" became Prime Minister Please Enjoy a little Deja Vu courtesy of CBC

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XfUq9b1XTa0

CBC Archives: Just Watch Me, 1970 | CBC
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Published on Dec 3, 2008
1970 - At the height of the FLQ crisis, Prime Minister Pierre Trudeau is confronted by the media and responds with perhaps his most famous line. This impromptu CBC-TV interview has become an archives legend.

David Amos

Methinks folks should review the "Most Liked" threads first before they go "Poof" N'esy Pas?

Tim Burr

Most 80 year olds trying to navigate service canada prefer "Ze"......

David Amos

@Tim Burr LOL

 
David Amos

I wonder how many people actually read other people's comments

 
Angela Kung

Bizarre sense of priorities from this government. But sure doesn't take much to get the cons in a tizzy.

David Amos

@Angela Kung Methinks its all part of the circus that all the politcal parties play in rder tto keep us entertained and believe that they actually care about our rights and interests. N'esy Pas?

 

Chantal LeBouthi

This is about some activism masquerading as linguistic science and using children as guinea Pigs

David Amos

@Chantal LeBouthi Methinks that does not involve my kids because kids are goats N'esy Pas?

 

Service Canada's gender neutral directive is 'confusing' and 'will be corrected' says minister

Front-line workers asked to use gender-neutral term 'parent' instead of mother or father

By Catharine Tunney, Peter Zimonjic, CBC News Posted: Mar 21, 2018 8:38 AM ET

Service Canada's front-line staff must now 'use gender-neutral language or gender-inclusive language,' according to a directive obtained by CBC/Radio-Canada. (Shutterstock) 

A federal cabinet minister says a directive to Service Canada agents telling them to use gender-neutral language — such as 'parent' instead of 'mother' or 'father' — when speaking to the public was badly worded and will be corrected.

The directive, obtained by Radio Canada, the French-language arm of CBC, instructs Service Canada employees who interact with the public to stay away from terms such as Mr., Mrs., father and mother, and to "use gender-neutral language or gender-inclusive language."

"This avoids portraying a perceived bias toward a particular sex or gender," says a copy of speaking notes prepared for managers and team leaders. "It is important that Service Canada, as an organization, reflects Canada's diverse population and ensures that the views and interests of Canadians are taken into account when we develop policies, programs, services and initiatives."

The move was quickly mocked by the the Conservative opposition, who suggested Father's Day and Mother's Day would be renamed to be gender-neutral.
But in an interview with CBC News Network's Power &
 Politics, Minister of Families, Children and Social Development Jean-Yves Duclos said that the directive is more about asking Canadians how they want to be addressed — and then following that advice.

"The directive that was sent this morning was confusing it will be corrected ... so that it's clear Service Canada agents have the respectful responsibility to do exactly what they are paid to do," Duclos told guest host David Cochrane.

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Duclos went on to say that agents will continue to use honorifics such as Mr. and Ms., providing the people they're speaking to agree to be identified with those terms.

"Now, when there is uncertainty as to how Canadians want to be respectfully greeted by Service Canada agents, Service Canada agents will politely and respectfully ask Canadians how they want to be greeted."

The uncorrected guidelines rule out using terms such as mother and father because they are "gender specific" and say the neutral word "parent" should be used instead.

The same goes for honorifics such as Mr., Mrs., and Ms., and in both languages. Instead, the guidelines instruct employees to address customers by their full names, or to ask them what they want to be called.

Service Canada helps Canadians connect with a variety of government programs, including Employment Insurance, the Canada Pension Plan and Old Age Security.

Updating government forms

According to an official — who asked to remain anonymous because they are not authorized to speak on the issue — the new directive is already in place and has led to some difficult situations for civil servants.


"It happens that we talk to people and we ask, 'What is the name of parent number one?' People do not understand," said the official.

Helen Kennedy, executive director of the LGBT rights group Egale Canada, said her group was "very pleased" to hear about the changes. She said people who don't fit into "neat boxes" often have uncomfortable and negative experiences accessing government programs.

She also urged the government to provide staff with training on why it's important to properly gender people.

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"Otherwise there will be a state of confusion," she said.

Conservative MP and Treasury Board critic Gérard Deltell said there are more important issues for the government to concentrate on right now.

"Maybe one day this government will decide to cancel each and every Mother's Day or a Father's Day," he said.

In addition to the changes in how staff interact with the public, the directive indicates that Service Canada is also in the process of amending some service forms, including the Social Insurance Number application form.

Canadians are already able to identify as gender 'X' on their passports.

The new directive also includes a warning that agency employees will be observed to ensure they are following the protocols.

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"Going forward, the proper use of gender-neutral language will also be added to the observations in the In-Person Quality Monitoring Program," the directive said.

Earlier this year, a same-sex couple from Nova Scotia called for Service Canada to update its forms so that men don't have to declare a "maiden name" in order to get SIN numbers for their children.
Nick Bonnar and Graham MacDonnell said they ran into a roadblock when an agent told them they had to provide a maiden name to complete and process the electronic form.

Last summer, the Liberal government passed a law enshrining protections for transgender Canadians. The bill updates the Canadian Human Rights Act and the Criminal Code to include the terms "gender identity" and "gender expression."