David Raymond Amos @DavidRayAmos
Methinks a lot politicians must have choked on their coffee when the snobby professor Jordan Peterson sent me an email and ended it with this quote "truth is the antidote to suffering" N'esy Pas?
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/people-s-alliance-kris-austin-1.4902672
People's Alliance leader defends party's notion of language rights
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Colin Seeley
Duality has no place in New Brunswick.
Separation of children on school busses does not promote bilingualism.
Funding of all cultures by Govt’s must cease immediately.
Separation of children on school busses does not promote bilingualism.
Funding of all cultures by Govt’s must cease immediately.
@Colin Seeley
So no English schools, festivals, museums etc ?
So no English schools, festivals, museums etc ?
David Amos
@Marc Martin Cry me a river
Marc Martin
@Jim Moore
* less than 8% of the province are french only *
That's 32%, change your page stats to NB one.
*and they also get a bulk of the tax payer funding*
English population of NB 68% , English schools in NB 73%, how is that stat for you ?
* less than 8% of the province are french only *
That's 32%, change your page stats to NB one.
*and they also get a bulk of the tax payer funding*
English population of NB 68% , English schools in NB 73%, how is that stat for you ?
Marc Martin
@Nicolas Krinis
*Exactly, just schools, just festivals and just museums.*
You talking about 73% of schools in NB, 80% of the festivals and 98% of the museums...Huge economy thank you for agreeing.
*Exactly, just schools, just festivals and just museums.*
You talking about 73% of schools in NB, 80% of the festivals and 98% of the museums...Huge economy thank you for agreeing.
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Marc Martin
Marc Martin
@David Amos
No one fed you yet Davis ?
No one fed you yet Davis ?
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David Amos
David Amos
@Marc Martin Methinks as usual you are feeding us all with lots frivolous and rather nasty comments to reply to N'esy Pas?
David Amos
@Marc Martin "No one fed you yet Davis ?"
Methinks that it is no longer interesting that my replies to you are often blocked N'esy Pas?
Methinks that it is no longer interesting that my replies to you are often blocked N'esy Pas?
Marc Martin
@David Amos
Not at all. I am surprised most of my comments make the cut.
Not at all. I am surprised most of my comments make the cut.
Rick Given
Mr. Austin said "But then you
have certain individuals that come out and basically say [taking] a
20-minute school ride on a bus that's not dual busing, somehow kids are
going to lose their language, and I'm thinking, 'That's just
ridiculous."
How can anyone seriously argue with that?
How can anyone seriously argue with that?
Marc Martin
@Rick Given
Instead of a 20 minute ride lets make it 45- 60....that makes sense.
Instead of a 20 minute ride lets make it 45- 60....that makes sense.
David Amos
@Rick Given "How can anyone seriously argue with that?"
Methinks Mr Maritn always will N'esy Pas?
Methinks Mr Maritn always will N'esy Pas?
Marc Martin
@Nicolas Krinis
*How so? Segregation, pure and simple*
Segregation can only be implemented if your in power or a majority...So tell me how does this apply to French buses ?
*How so? Segregation, pure and simple*
Segregation can only be implemented if your in power or a majority...So tell me how does this apply to French buses ?
Mario Doucet
The OLA as it stands today is obsolete and needs to be rewritten, the comissioner of french language office needs to go.
Jeff LeBlanc
@Mario Doucet thank you
Mario, I bet you get criticized a lot for your views considering you are
a Francophone but I am glad there's people like you out there with a
bit of common sense.
Marguerite Deschamps
@Jeff LeBlanc, a Francophone, my foot! I bet he cannot string two French words in a row.
Marguerite Deschamps
@Jeff LeBlanc ... any more than you can with your moniker is real.
David Amos
@Marguerite Deschamps
Methinks everybody knows that I am no Francophone but much to your
chagrin my Acadian buddies and I get by just fine with Chiac N'esy Pas?
Marc Martin
@Jeff LeBlanc
He is not a francophone cbc allows fake names in here.
He is not a francophone cbc allows fake names in here.
Marc Martin
@David Amos
Who yanked you chain again ?
Who yanked you chain again ?
David Amos
@Marc Martin YOU
@David Amos, I'm sure you do. We Acadians are most accommodating
Billy Sturgeon
The amount of common sense in this article is incredible.
Rick Given
@Billy Sturgeon
Ain't that the truth...
Ain't that the truth...
David Amos
@Rick Given "Ain't that the truth..."
Methinks a lot politicians must have choked on their coffee when the snobby professor Jordan Pederson sent me an emails and ended it with this quote "truth is the antidote to suffering" N'esy Pas?
Methinks a lot politicians must have choked on their coffee when the snobby professor Jordan Pederson sent me an emails and ended it with this quote "truth is the antidote to suffering" N'esy Pas?
Marc Martin
@Billy Sturgeon
The bigotry in it also.
The bigotry in it also.
Marc Martin
@Mack Leigh
*So tell me Einstein how do they deal with people of other languages *
You don't have too, there is only 2 official language in Canada.
*So tell me Einstein how do they deal with people of other languages *
You don't have too, there is only 2 official language in Canada.
David Amos
@Marc Martin "The bigotry in it also."
SO YOU SAY EH?
SO YOU SAY EH?
Mario Doucet
The laws already in place from the federa; government are plenty enough, NB doesn't need it's own version.
Marc Martin
@Mario Doucet
These are the laws already applied in the province, so I have no idea what your talking about...
These are the laws already applied in the province, so I have no idea what your talking about...
Kevin Garnett
@Marc Martin In the spirit of
fairness, I'm going to go ahead and assume that you mean a subset of
the language laws applied in New Brunswick are Federal laws. Because If
your statement was 100% accurate I wouldn't have friends in Ontario
assuming I'm joking when I tell them about the duality of school buses
in New Brunswick.
David Amos
@Marc Martin "I have no idea what your talking about.."
Why continue to play dumb? What you don't wish to argue is in the questionable federal charter created by your hero Trudeau The Elder and his cohorts in 1982 that your fellow Quebeckers did agree with. Everybody knows it was modified in 1993 by McKenna and the boyz because New Brunswick does not have a its won constitution.
As your many Anglophone and Francophone buddies in Fredericton know I have been arguing the facts in Federal Court since I ran in the election of the 42nd Parliament N'esy Pas?
https://www.justice.gc.ca/eng/csj-sjc/rfc-dlc/ccrf-ccdl/check/art16.html
Subsections 16.1(1) and (2) came into force on March 12, 1993 and entrench certain principles expressed in the Act Recognizing the Equality of the Two Language Communities in New Brunswick, which was promulgated in 1981
Marguerite Deschamps
@David Amos, so what; "recognizing equality" is a good thing, n'est-ce pas?
David Amos
@Marguerite Deschamps Methinks you are trying to twist my words Its duality that is the bad thing N'esy Pas?
David Amos
@Marguerite Deschamps Have read my lawsuit yet?
Marguerite Deschamps
@David Amos, nope! But I've been told that a lawyer who represents himself has a fool as a client.
David Amos
@Marguerite Deschamps
Methinks the Crown and legions of lawyers know that I am a layman who
loves to sue foolish lawyers N'esy Pas?
Fred Brewer
Since 97% of NB Francophones speak English, what is the problem here?
The majority of paramedics are bilingual so is it really so terrible if in a few cases an ambulance shows up with only anglos and a translation device? I think it is way more important for the ambulance to arrive on a timely basis.
The majority of paramedics are bilingual so is it really so terrible if in a few cases an ambulance shows up with only anglos and a translation device? I think it is way more important for the ambulance to arrive on a timely basis.
Nicolas Krinis
@Fred Brewer Instead of being grateful of having the service, we nitpick over language and people are dying.
Marc Martin
@Fred Brewer
*Since 97% of NB Francophones speak English*
Do we or don't we ? I have seen you before saying we cant write English , you cant have both buddy.
*Since 97% of NB Francophones speak English*
Do we or don't we ? I have seen you before saying we cant write English , you cant have both buddy.
Marc Martin
@Nicolas Krinis
*people are dying.*
Who died ? links ? You wont find any.
*people are dying.*
Who died ? links ? You wont find any.
Fred Brewer
@Marc Martin
"Who died ? links ? You wont find any."
Seriously Marc? Here is the most recent tragic death. The ambulance took 45 minutes to arrive. My heart goes out to this family for their loss.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/atv-crash-haut-lam%C3%A8que-1.4882211
"Who died ? links ? You wont find any."
Seriously Marc? Here is the most recent tragic death. The ambulance took 45 minutes to arrive. My heart goes out to this family for their loss.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/atv-crash-haut-lam%C3%A8que-1.4882211
David Amos
@Fred Brewer Methinks Mr Martin has known that is not the only incident N'esy Pas?
Marguerite Deschamps
@Fred Brewer, there is not a
shred of evidence that this boy died because of the lack of bilingual
paramedics. Your link is totally unrelated to the topic. As if a
paramedic who speaks French could not be found in Haut-Lamèque; give me a
break!
Marc Martin
@Fred Brewer
That's not because of a language issue, its because Medavie only found fit to hire less paramedics in that region, by the way that happened up north there is no issue with bilingualism there.
That's not because of a language issue, its because Medavie only found fit to hire less paramedics in that region, by the way that happened up north there is no issue with bilingualism there.
Marc Martin
@Marguerite Deschamps
They twist an try to turn everything into a French debate, there is NO casualty so far due to language issues with paramedics.
They twist an try to turn everything into a French debate, there is NO casualty so far due to language issues with paramedics.
Marguerite Deschamps
@Marc Martin, no there isn't! Fake news like the extremists south of the border. They have a Trump and we have an Austin.
Fred Brewer
@Marc Martin
"That's not because of a language issue, its because Medavie only found fit to hire less paramedics in that region, by the way that happened up north there is no issue with bilingualism there."
Actually it is a language issue. It is a fact that Medavie cannot find enough bilingual staff and as a result ambulances are parked or otherwise unavailabe. In this instance 4 of the 6 ambulances were not available.
"That's not because of a language issue, its because Medavie only found fit to hire less paramedics in that region, by the way that happened up north there is no issue with bilingualism there."
Actually it is a language issue. It is a fact that Medavie cannot find enough bilingual staff and as a result ambulances are parked or otherwise unavailabe. In this instance 4 of the 6 ambulances were not available.
Fred Brewer
@Marc Martin
"there is NO casualty so far due to language issues with paramedics."
Hey Marc, could you please give us an example of a death caused by language issues according to your views?
"there is NO casualty so far due to language issues with paramedics."
Hey Marc, could you please give us an example of a death caused by language issues according to your views?
Fred Brewer
@Marguerite Deschamps ,
"there is not a shred of evidence that this boy died because of the lack of bilingual paramedics"
For once, I agree with you. It had nothing to do with lack of bilingual paramedics, it was lack of paramedics whether they are bilingual or unilingual. Either one might have been able to save this boy's life. 45 minutes is just too long to wait.
"there is not a shred of evidence that this boy died because of the lack of bilingual paramedics"
For once, I agree with you. It had nothing to do with lack of bilingual paramedics, it was lack of paramedics whether they are bilingual or unilingual. Either one might have been able to save this boy's life. 45 minutes is just too long to wait.
Marc Martin
@Fred Brewer
Its not a language issue, they have the required paramedic upper north, they just don't hire them.
Its not a language issue, they have the required paramedic upper north, they just don't hire them.
Marc Martin
@Fred Brewer
Stay on subject, your getting owned again.
Stay on subject, your getting owned again.
David Amos
@Marc Martin Methinks the reverse is true N'esy Pas?
daryl doucette
Nice to see Kris Austin stand
up to the office of the " Language Commissioner" ( and we know what
language the office is in favor of) of New Brunswick. The ultimate
goal of the group (s) the " Office of the Language Commissioner of NB"
really represents is actually quite simple. And that would be the
elimination of unilingual New Brunswickers in government employment, (
provincial, and ultimately municipal) and increasingly in the private
sector. This is slowly but surely being accomplished under the guise of "
Official Bilingualism". But they cannot accomplish their ultimate goal
just by the original intent of the " Official Languages Act" which was
to guarantee folks here in NB government services in the "Official
Language" of their choice, which is fine and dandy, they have taken it "
one step further" with their invention of the " Language of Work"
policy. The "readers digest version" of this " policy", that the vast
majority of unilingual New Brunswickers are COMEPLETLY unaware of is
that any one who gets hired into government work in NB in the future
will be required to be bilingual. It is as simple as that. And everyone
knows whom benefits from any job being designated " bilingual". It is
CRITICAL that the " Language of Work" policy NOT be allowed to be part
of the " Official Languages Act" which comes up for review in 2022.
Claude DeRoche
@daryl doucette
Didn't know that ?
Would be a lot easier to eliminate bilingualism and go with all French.
Didn't know that ?
Would be a lot easier to eliminate bilingualism and go with all French.
daryl doucette
@Claude DeRoche ahhh a dream scenario eh?
Marc Martin
@daryl doucette
*whom benefits from any job being designated " bilingual". *
Every people do have the same chance to get a government job in NB. The only problem is the people who think they are entitled to a job just because they are a majority.
*whom benefits from any job being designated " bilingual". *
Every people do have the same chance to get a government job in NB. The only problem is the people who think they are entitled to a job just because they are a majority.
Marc Martin
@Claude DeRoche
I agree !! I mean they want to save money right ?
I agree !! I mean they want to save money right ?
Marc Martin
@daryl doucette
*ahhh a dream scenario eh?*
But you want to save money right ?
*ahhh a dream scenario eh?*
But you want to save money right ?
David Amos
@daryl doucette BTW the
Language " Language Commissioner" is also one of two lawyers that caused
a lawsuit that the Law Society lost. Now many years later the Deputy
Premier, his brother and my brother in laws know I am dealing with his
actions within SNB today over a real estate deal of my own in New
Brunswick and 2 fraudulent ones in the USA years ago. Small wonder I sue
lawyers N'esy Pas?
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-on-business/the-lawyer-who-sued-the-law-society---and-won/article696984/
daryl doucette
@Marc Martin bilingual folks,
the VAST majority of whom are francophones. Here's an idea! Lets get
Quebec to become "Officially Bilingual" and make all their government
jobs "bilingual essential". Guess who would DOMINATE the jobs there?
Yup, the bilingual minority ( read Quebec ANGLOPHONES)....yeah and i'm
sure the unilingual majority in Quebec would bend over backwards to
allow THAT to happen there!!
Marc Martin
@daryl doucette
What does Quebec have anything to do with this ? Stay on subject please.
What does Quebec have anything to do with this ? Stay on subject please.
David Amos
@Marc Martin Methinks you should know N'esy Pas?
Brian Robertson
A generous gesture of
tolerance, offering government services in French where numbers warrant
has morphed over time to duality in the Country's poorest Province.
Consideration for the greater good has been trampled in a goal of creating a pseudo French society, supported completely by public funds.
This is simply not warranted, nor what we signed on for when Louis Robichaud sold us this wolf in sheep's clothing.
Consideration for the greater good has been trampled in a goal of creating a pseudo French society, supported completely by public funds.
This is simply not warranted, nor what we signed on for when Louis Robichaud sold us this wolf in sheep's clothing.
david herman
@Brian Robertson
"Country's poorest Province"..yet there is no telling some french people that, or for them to accept the reasons WHY that is so.
"Country's poorest Province"..yet there is no telling some french people that, or for them to accept the reasons WHY that is so.
Claude DeRoche
@Brian Robertson
Only solution is dropping bilingualism
French only like Québec!
Only solution is dropping bilingualism
French only like Québec!
Mack Leigh
@Claude DeRoche
And you hit the nail on the head...you actually had the courage to voice what the real goal for the Francophone Elite along with groups such as SANB has been all along... This is not about language... This is all about power and control and the complete takeover of New Brunswick..... Sadly governments have been going along with this complete garbage for decades... Time to end the forced social engineering... Time for francophones to retain their own language and culture and stop foisting it on everyone else..... Time for francophones to also pay for their unrealistic demands.. Time to put a full stop to all government handouts both federal and provincial...… Time for everyone to receive the same per person funding... No more and No less..
And you hit the nail on the head...you actually had the courage to voice what the real goal for the Francophone Elite along with groups such as SANB has been all along... This is not about language... This is all about power and control and the complete takeover of New Brunswick..... Sadly governments have been going along with this complete garbage for decades... Time to end the forced social engineering... Time for francophones to retain their own language and culture and stop foisting it on everyone else..... Time for francophones to also pay for their unrealistic demands.. Time to put a full stop to all government handouts both federal and provincial...… Time for everyone to receive the same per person funding... No more and No less..
daryl doucette
@Mack Leigh bang on mack
Derwith Kennedy
@Mack Leigh *The X-Files theme plays*
Marc Martin
@Brian Robertson
Maybe the government shouldn't have centralized the services in Moncton, Saint John and Fredericton then ? If you don't like the bilingual services maybe we should also remove DFO, DND, Pension Canada, ACOA and the Pay centre and move them to French populated area only, don't you agree ?
Maybe the government shouldn't have centralized the services in Moncton, Saint John and Fredericton then ? If you don't like the bilingual services maybe we should also remove DFO, DND, Pension Canada, ACOA and the Pay centre and move them to French populated area only, don't you agree ?
Marc Martin
@Mack Leigh
*is all about power and control and the complete takeover of New Brunswick.....*
Take over eh...I still remember just a few years ago CCNB French still had to use English copies for a college course...taking over...seriously.
*is all about power and control and the complete takeover of New Brunswick.....*
Take over eh...I still remember just a few years ago CCNB French still had to use English copies for a college course...taking over...seriously.
David Amos
@Brian Robertson
"Consideration for the greater good has been trampled in a goal of
creating a pseudo French society, supported completely by public funds."
I wholeheartedly agree Sir
I wholeheartedly agree Sir
David Amos
@Marc Martin "If you don't
like the bilingual services maybe we should also remove DFO, DND,
Pension Canada, ACOA and the Pay centre and move them to French
populated area only, don't you agree ?"
Who would agree with you?
Who would agree with you?
Marguerite Deschamps
@David Amos, I do.
David Amos
@Marguerite Deschamps Methinks if you could have read all my replies you may have changed your tune N'esy Pas?
Marc Martin
@David Amos
The English population ? These are all installed into English dense population areas.
The English population ? These are all installed into English dense population areas.
David Amos
@Marc Martin Where I run for public does not have dense population N'esy Pas?
Marc Martin
@David Amos
*Where I run for public *
Again you make no sense....please construct a full phrase Davis ty.
*Where I run for public *
Again you make no sense....please construct a full phrase Davis ty.
David Amos
@Marc Martin Where I run for public OFFICE does not have dense population N'esy Pas?
Methinks that should many any snobby Quebecker happy N'esy Pas?
Methinks that should many any snobby Quebecker happy N'esy Pas?
Marguerite Deschamps
@David Amos, I see that you
are painting all Quebeckers with the same brush. What do we call that
again? - But I agree, there are some nasty ones, just like in all
ethnicities.
Jim Moore
Duality is just another word for segregation, it wouldn't be acceptable anywhere else, all the other provinces in Canada are actually Bilingual, you have a right to be served in both languages at all offices and government provided services, not having to travel to one office or another based on language or a different school bus for children based on language, can you imagine if we forced black and white children onto different buses, i see no difference when the intolerance is based on language instead of skin culture. NB is segregationist and not bilingual at all, far from it, Alberta is more bilingual, at least you can get service in either language in all offices
Marc Martin
@Jim Moore
*you have a right to be served in both languages at all offices and government provided services*
Federal yes but not provincial.
By the way you can only be segregated by a majority or in power, this is not the case in NB educate yourself.
*you have a right to be served in both languages at all offices and government provided services*
Federal yes but not provincial.
By the way you can only be segregated by a majority or in power, this is not the case in NB educate yourself.
David Amos
@Marc Martin "Duality is just another word for segregation"
YUP Methinks our government is doing what Yankees reversed long before Trudeau The Elder created the Charter and did in New Brunswick with the Duality Nonsense N'esy Pas?
YUP Methinks our government is doing what Yankees reversed long before Trudeau The Elder created the Charter and did in New Brunswick with the Duality Nonsense N'esy Pas?
Marc Martin
@David Amos
What ?
What ?
valmond landry
wouldn't it be nice to have simultaneous translation in every ambulances would that settle the problem.
Matt Steele
@valmond landry
.....Electronic translation technology is available ; but certain
special interest groups refuse to let it be used .
Marc Martin
@Matt Steele
Translator: Hello sir I am a translator can you please tell me whats the problem?
Patient : arghhhh...blahh arghhhh...
Translator: Hello sir I am a translator can you please tell me whats the problem?
Patient : arghhhh...blahh arghhhh...(patient dies)
This is why its not used....
Translator: Hello sir I am a translator can you please tell me whats the problem?
Patient : arghhhh...blahh arghhhh...
Translator: Hello sir I am a translator can you please tell me whats the problem?
Patient : arghhhh...blahh arghhhh...(patient dies)
This is why its not used....
Bob Smith
@Marc Martin ...the current
system is letting a patient die because there are not enough bilingual
paramedics. Feel better with that?
Lynn Gilbert
@Marc Martin I've seen it
used many times with a lot of our refugee families at one of our biggest
hospitals in NB. It works very well. In the big hospitals in Toronto,
Montreal and Vancouver, they have many different languages to deal with
and they say it works well. Why wouldn't it work here? Why are you so
negative??
Jim Moore
@Bob Smith No there arent
enough French ones, they would rather have no ambulances than one with
english only, silly especially considering only less than 8% of the
population are french only.
Joseph Vacher
@Jim Moore more like 5%
Rosco holt
@Bob Smith
"because there are not enough bilingual paramedics."
That's BS. Some ambulances are used to transfer patients. There should be a system for just for emergencies and one for transfers.
Transfers can be accomplished by a driver and nurse(s), freeing paramedics.
"because there are not enough bilingual paramedics."
That's BS. Some ambulances are used to transfer patients. There should be a system for just for emergencies and one for transfers.
Transfers can be accomplished by a driver and nurse(s), freeing paramedics.
Nicolas Krinis
@Marc Martin It's more like
Patient suffers from a heart attack.
2 octogeneratians performed CPR on him for 45 min.
Where is that ambulance already?
Sorry we are short staffed because medics need to be bilingual. Patient dies.
Patient suffers from a heart attack.
2 octogeneratians performed CPR on him for 45 min.
Where is that ambulance already?
Sorry we are short staffed because medics need to be bilingual. Patient dies.
Jann Dutch
@Marc Martin and how would listening to your "argh blarg garg" in person help someone understand what is being said?
Derwith Kennedy
@Rosco holt That's a good
idea! Of course first responders should be able to speak both provincial
languages, but in non-emergency situations a unilingual french or
english paramedic should be fine.
Marguerite Deschamps
@Derwith Kennedy, I don't think this would go well with a unilingual Anglophone.
Nicolas Krinis
@Nicolas Krinis For the down-voters, I hope it never happens to you because what I related is *exactly* want went on.
Marc Martin
@Bob Smith
*the current system is letting a patient die*
Who died ? Please post links ? You wont find any related to ambulances...
*the current system is letting a patient die*
Who died ? Please post links ? You wont find any related to ambulances...
Marc Martin
@ Lynn Gilbert
Maybe we should go for a French system only and you could use the translation devices if you like them so much ?
Maybe we should go for a French system only and you could use the translation devices if you like them so much ?
Marc Martin
@Jim Moore
*only less than 8% of the population are french only.*
what ?? Last time I checked it was over 32%, are you sure you didn't look at stats for Ontario buddy?
*only less than 8% of the population are french only.*
what ?? Last time I checked it was over 32%, are you sure you didn't look at stats for Ontario buddy?
Marc Martin
@Nicolas Krinis
But who died ? I mean this as been going on for over 3-4 years , so who died ? Links ?
But who died ? I mean this as been going on for over 3-4 years , so who died ? Links ?
Marc Martin
@Jann Dutch
The thing is when you are in a critical mode if your French your going to try to speak in French having someone in English only yelling at you wont help, the same will go if your English and you have a French person yelling at you...
The thing is when you are in a critical mode if your French your going to try to speak in French having someone in English only yelling at you wont help, the same will go if your English and you have a French person yelling at you...
David Amos
@Marc Martin "Who died ? Please post links ? You wont find any related to ambulances..."
Methinks several folks have provided you with links you have been demanding for months and yet you continue to play dumb for no reason anyone understands N'esy Pas?
Methinks several folks have provided you with links you have been demanding for months and yet you continue to play dumb for no reason anyone understands N'esy Pas?
Marguerite Deschamps
@David Amos, nope; no relevant links to the subject at hand at all!
David Amos
@Marguerite Deschamps WRONG
Marguerite Deschamps
@David Amos, RIGHT !
Marc Martin
@daryl doucette
Actually they exist everywhere in the province. Do you know what else exists ? English bilinguals.
Actually they exist everywhere in the province. Do you know what else exists ? English bilinguals.
Marguerite Deschamps
@Marc Martin, they do. I had one working in my field. He was trilingual and very bright to boot.
Kirby Lucas
The decision to make
bilingualism in NB official, via the Constitution, is the stupidest
political decision ever made. It was only done so Hatfield could get
French votes.
Brian Robertson
@Kirby Lucas
It was McKenna that had Bill 88 entrenched in the Constitution. And it never would have happened had it not been part of the 'seamless' Meech Lake Accord.
But when the Accord was rejected, the seams quickly unraveled, and McKenna and Mulroony did a deal in a back room that saddled us with this albatross.
It was McKenna that had Bill 88 entrenched in the Constitution. And it never would have happened had it not been part of the 'seamless' Meech Lake Accord.
But when the Accord was rejected, the seams quickly unraveled, and McKenna and Mulroony did a deal in a back room that saddled us with this albatross.
Matt Steele
@Kirby Lucas .....It was
former Premier Frank McKenna that had it entrenched in the Constitution .
McKenna seemed to have an intense hatred for the Province . He
entrenched Official Bilingualism in the Constitution , then left the
Province . Ever since we have had one term govt. except for the Lord
govt. who went 7 years ; but nothing was accomplished by Lord in his
second term before he went down to defeat in an early election . Welcome
to N.B. ; a failed province that was destroyed by Frank McKenna !!!
Dianne MacPherson
@Kirby Lucas
And the Bilingualism issue has been
used as a Political football ever since.
No one used it as 'dangerously' as the
Liberal Govt. under Gallant !!!!!!
And the Bilingualism issue has been
used as a Political football ever since.
No one used it as 'dangerously' as the
Liberal Govt. under Gallant !!!!!!
Marc Martin
@Kirby Lucas
It was done because the French was oppressed, segregated treated like nothing. These things still happen in 2018, you can take a look at all the post here for proof.
It was done because the French was oppressed, segregated treated like nothing. These things still happen in 2018, you can take a look at all the post here for proof.
David Amos
@Kirby Lucas " It was only done so Hatfield could get French votes."
Oh So True
Oh So True
David Amos
@Brian Robertson "It was
McKenna that had Bill 88 entrenched in the Constitution. And it never
would have happened had it not been part of the 'seamless' Meech Lake
Accord."
Very true as well
Very true as well
Albert Wade
I work for a large federal
department in Moncton. Out of over 300 workers in our office only 3 are
unilingual English positions. That would be the 3 contract cleaners.
daryl doucette
@Albert Wade I rest my case.
Marguerite Deschamps
@Albert Wade, could you name
the department so we can verify the accuracy of what you are advancing?
This is the Federal Government by the way and it has nothing to do with
provincial jurisdiction.
The Justice building which is administered by the province sure has a lot of unilingual workers there!
The Justice building which is administered by the province sure has a lot of unilingual workers there!
Marguerite Deschamps
@Albert Wade, then either you are bilingual or just a cleaner eh?
daryl doucette
@Marguerite Desch yeah and none of them speak English.
Marguerite Deschamps
@daryl doucette, another falsehood coming from you! They don't speak French.
daryl doucette
@daryl doucette hey
marguerite provide numbers please. Of all the staff at that building. A
breakdown, of how many are " bilingual" vrs how many are "
unilingual"... Awaiting your reply..
Marguerite Deschamps
@daryl doucette, I named you the place. It's up to you to check it for yourself.
I have yet to get the federal department place that Wade is referring to so I can verify his assertion.
I have yet to get the federal department place that Wade is referring to so I can verify his assertion.
maude windsor
@daryl doucette simple. NB
is designated bilingual or french only withing the hiring rules of the
public service of canada. i have experienced this sad state of
affairs....these federal jobs are designated, especially the EX levels
as french on applying for nb jobs. NS has no such designation, nor PEI.
you will find more federal jobs in NS PEI Nfld because of this
ruling......ps many english speaking NB educated people move to west,
apply for senior federal indeterminate jobs there...and do very
well....but never can move back to NB because they speak only
english...or chriac french!
Marc Martin
@Albert Wade
That is not true, name me the department ? by the way there is no Albert Wade working for the Federal government, another PANB voter spreading false rumors.
That is not true, name me the department ? by the way there is no Albert Wade working for the Federal government, another PANB voter spreading false rumors.
Marc Martin
@daryl doucette
* " bilingual" vrs how many are " unilingual"... *
Bilingual does not mean they are French born kid. a good example is ACOA a department I worked for years, 75% where bilingual English natives. Any more questions ?
* " bilingual" vrs how many are " unilingual"... *
Bilingual does not mean they are French born kid. a good example is ACOA a department I worked for years, 75% where bilingual English natives. Any more questions ?
Marguerite Deschamps
@maude windsor, the more you
write, the more you demonstrate that the reason you would not be able to
get a job in government is that your written English is pitiable.
Marguerite Deschamps
@Marc Martin, maybe he's the janitor.
John O'Brien
@Marguerite Deschamps at least he wasn't born without manners as you apparently were
Marguerite Deschamps
@John O'Brien, I suppose you do, Mr anti-French!
David Amos
@Marguerite Deschamps the
more you write, the more you demonstrate that the reason you would not
be able to get a job in government is that your written English is
pitiable.
Oh my Methinks you write just like a wealthy liberal N'esy Pas?
Oh my Methinks you write just like a wealthy liberal N'esy Pas?
Marguerite Deschamps
@John O'Brien, But you are anti-French!
Marc Martin
@David Amos
*is that your written English is pitiable*
Says you ......
*is that your written English is pitiable*
Says you ......
David Amos
@Marc Martin Methinks I should say imagine if you are not whom you claim to be N'esy Pas?
Marc Martin
@David Amos
Don't tell me you called that poor provincial civil servant again Davis ?? That's so funny..
Don't tell me you called that poor provincial civil servant again Davis ?? That's so funny..
David Amos
@Marc Martin Nope his boss
Layton Bennett
I have had my resume handed
back to me without even looking at it because I am not bilingual, on
multiple occasions. So if the only qualification they asked was my
language and nothing else, I guess we know what the priority is don't
we? And BTW, I have been denied service in English, by francophones
working for the provincial government, because the person wearing the
English/Francais pin, couldn't speak English. They guy knew just enough
English to tell me he was going to find someone else. If bilingualism is
such a priority and it has nothing to do with cutting out the English,
then how did he even get hired? He should have flunked out on the first
question.
Norman Albert Snr
@Layton Bennett I spoke with a
front line Fed worker whose job description require a bilingual
applicant only. In the 5 years he held that position he was asked for
service in French only twice. It was a preference not a requirement as
both were fluent. This person was the only Bilingual staff member in the
office, but other jobs were listed as required (?) none were found.
Marc Martin
@Layton Bennett
*I have had my resume handed back to me *
Who would want a person like you in their team ? They probably used the first reason to get rid of you.
*couldn't speak English.*
That's untrue, I dare to tell me that persons name ?
*I have had my resume handed back to me *
Who would want a person like you in their team ? They probably used the first reason to get rid of you.
*couldn't speak English.*
That's untrue, I dare to tell me that persons name ?
Marguerite Deschamps
@Layton Bennett, if the job
would not have required being bilingual, I wonder what other supposedly
unfair "song and dance" rationalisation you would have come up with for
not getting the job.
David Amos
@Marc Martin "Who would want a person like you in their team ?"
Methinks you should ask your boss the same question N'esy Pas?
Methinks you should ask your boss the same question N'esy Pas?
Marc Martin
@David Amos
Who is my boss Davis ? Please don't tell me your still harassing that poor person in the provincial government ?
Who is my boss Davis ? Please don't tell me your still harassing that poor person in the provincial government ?
David Amos
@Marc Martin Trust that I called them again and discussed you Its funny they mentioned you first
Marc Martin
Marc Martin
@David Amos
They did ? That civil servant will be serving you a complaint for harassment soon im sure, this is too funny.
They did ? That civil servant will be serving you a complaint for harassment soon im sure, this is too funny.
David Amos
@Marc Martin Please do
Joseph Vacher
Cmon NB is doing so well ....................... said noone ever
only bilingual province + Highest Taxed Region in North America + Highest Debt Level in Canada + Lowest GDP = The Acadian Agenda
only bilingual province + Highest Taxed Region in North America + Highest Debt Level in Canada + Lowest GDP = The Acadian Agenda
Layton Bennett
@Joseph Vacher
While there is a lot of truth there, the taxes, debt and GDP are not related to OLA, it is however related to the other millstone around our necks, the Irvings and their race to the bottom.. Nearly every Irving property in this province pays a fraction of what it should in property taxes, and they were Canadian pioneers in stashing money in offshore banks.
While there is a lot of truth there, the taxes, debt and GDP are not related to OLA, it is however related to the other millstone around our necks, the Irvings and their race to the bottom.. Nearly every Irving property in this province pays a fraction of what it should in property taxes, and they were Canadian pioneers in stashing money in offshore banks.
Joseph Vacher
@Layton Bennett irvings are not helping us, but neither is paying for Dual Systems. Money wasted
Layton Bennett
@Joseph Vacher Dual systems is definitely a waste, no question, no argument. BUt it is
sofa cushion change compared to the whole ale robbery we suffer from the
Irvings. The Irving oil rail yard in Saint John pays less in property
taxes than the Tim Horton's right beside it, the CanaPort same thing,
90% off property tax discount. Kenneth Irving told the then mayor of
Saint John, that the deal would fall apart if they don't get the tax
break... except the other partner in the deal, Repsol, had no idea there
even was a property tax deal in place, and never asked for one.
No, when it comes to robbery the OLA is an amateur compared to the Irvings.
No, when it comes to robbery the OLA is an amateur compared to the Irvings.
Marguerite Deschamps
@Joseph Vacher, you would be signing a different tune if Irving's name was French; that I guarantee.
Dan Lee
@Joseph Vacher
Lowest GDP=PEI............highest tax region..Quebec...........highest debt level Alberta...
highest household debt......Ontario
Lowest GDP=PEI............highest tax region..Quebec...........highest debt level Alberta...
highest household debt......Ontario
Marguerite Deschamps
@Dan Lee, they say anything.
Marc Martin
@Joseph Vacher
You suggesting we go to a French only System?
You suggesting we go to a French only System?
David Amos
@Marguerite Deschamps "you would be signing a different tune if Irving's name was French; that I guarantee."
Do you read before you write?
Do you read before you write?
Marguerite Deschamps
@David Amos, wooooo... "singing"!
Brian Robertson
Government has no business in shaping and engineering language and culture.
The whole idea of government enforced bilingualism is gross government overreach.
The whole idea of government enforced bilingualism is gross government overreach.
Marc Martin
@Brian Robertson
So you dont want schools for your kids ?
So you dont want schools for your kids ?
Claude DeRoche
@Brian Robertson
Totally Agree, French only, problem solved! Voilà!
Totally Agree, French only, problem solved! Voilà!
Brian Robertson
@Marc Martin
Yes I do.
But we won't be able to fund them if we continue with this obsession with bilingualism.
In the early 60s, one could study English, French, Spanish, German and Latin.
Now, all we have for language is English and three different kinds of French.
We seem to be going in reverse.
Yes I do.
But we won't be able to fund them if we continue with this obsession with bilingualism.
In the early 60s, one could study English, French, Spanish, German and Latin.
Now, all we have for language is English and three different kinds of French.
We seem to be going in reverse.
Roland Godin
@Brian Robertson
Don't compare the English language to the now mostly used U$ian basic dialect good at the very least ot order a hot dog...eh!
Don't compare the English language to the now mostly used U$ian basic dialect good at the very least ot order a hot dog...eh!
Brian Robertson
@Roland Godin
There a variety of dialects within the English language as spoken in different geographic regions; just as I'm sure applies to French and other languages.
Is there some point in your singling out how it is spoken in America?
There a variety of dialects within the English language as spoken in different geographic regions; just as I'm sure applies to French and other languages.
Is there some point in your singling out how it is spoken in America?
Marguerite Deschamps
@Brian Robertson, there is a point; given that the Francophones get the same snipping comments from the extremists.
Rosco holt
@Brian Robertson
In reality government should stop interfering in the economy. It was proven that governments always pick losers when the decide to support businesses.
In reality government should stop interfering in the economy. It was proven that governments always pick losers when the decide to support businesses.
Marc Martin
@Brian Robertson
we are already funding more then we are supposed too. Did you know that the English population 68% has 73% of the schools in NB ? Why must I have to pay extra for you ?
we are already funding more then we are supposed too. Did you know that the English population 68% has 73% of the schools in NB ? Why must I have to pay extra for you ?
David Amos
@Marguerite Deschamps "there is a point; given that the Francophones get the same snipping comments from the extremists."
Methinks you should review your own N'esy Pas?
Methinks you should review your own N'esy Pas?
Marguerite Deschamps
@David Amos, fighting fire with fire!
David Amos
@Marguerite Deschamps Methinks like all liberal spin doctors you think two wrongs make a right N'esy Pas?
Marc LeBlanc
For thousands of years the
hallmark of any successful society was and is the desire to communicate
in a respectful manner.To make the effort to understand and be
understood.What peeves me to no end is when francophones who I know can
speak perfect english march into Costco or wherever and play the "I
can't speak english"card.Now some would say they are just exercising
their rights.I think they're just plain ignorant.
Marguerite Deschamps
@Marc LeBlanc, that pretty
well defeats the argument we so often read on here that the bilingual
Francophones in government cannot speak English. You cannot have it both
way, buddy!
Marc LeBlanc
@Marguerite Deschamps both ways....(pluriel)
Mack Leigh
@Marguerite Deschamps
Oh have no fear madame !! The Elite speak French or English whenever and wherever it suits their " agenda " of the moment.... With the underlying agenda always being to take over our province...
Oh have no fear madame !! The Elite speak French or English whenever and wherever it suits their " agenda " of the moment.... With the underlying agenda always being to take over our province...
Marc LeBlanc
@Mack Leigh It's amazing how
many self professed uni-lingual francophones miraculously learn english
when they land in Old Orchard Beach,Florida or Mexico,but loose it again
when they land in WalMart in Miramichi
Marguerite Deschamps
@Marc LeBlanc, in Mexico, I speak Spanish.
Woooo, we are taking over the province now, all by ourselves, with our "tite" minority, as we are so often reminded of on these topics.
And given that you bother correcting my little spelling mistake on here, which I had picked up by the way, then how about you?
"@Mack Leigh It's amazing how many "self-professed" "unilingual" "Francophones" miraculously learn "English" when they land in Old Orchard Beach ,Florida or Mexico,but "lose" it again when they land in WalMart in Miramichi" - Five spelling errors right there!
Woooo, we are taking over the province now, all by ourselves, with our "tite" minority, as we are so often reminded of on these topics.
And given that you bother correcting my little spelling mistake on here, which I had picked up by the way, then how about you?
"@Mack Leigh It's amazing how many "self-professed" "unilingual" "Francophones" miraculously learn "English" when they land in Old Orchard Beach ,Florida or Mexico,but "lose" it again when they land in WalMart in Miramichi" - Five spelling errors right there!
maude windsor
@Marc LeBlanc yes! take the
moncton hotel clerk on front desk pulled the 'i cant speak english' card
for the week stay...then when we wanted to catch avery early start and
paid our bill in the evening...this no english person chased us out the
hotel front doors attacking our car yelling in perfect english that we
have to pay our bill!!! and one questions why tourism is down!!!
Marc Martin
@Marc LeBlanc
So we must stop speaking French now ? Isn't that called segregation ?
So we must stop speaking French now ? Isn't that called segregation ?
Marguerite Deschamps
@maude windsor, what, you did not want to pay your accommodation bill? - That's a crime in Canada.
And if we refused to pay our bill every time someone told us: "I don't speak French!"; it would not cost us much in hotel, restaurant and retail bills.
And if we refused to pay our bill every time someone told us: "I don't speak French!"; it would not cost us much in hotel, restaurant and retail bills.
Marc Martin
@maude windsor
Private sector is not obligated to provide bilingual service.
Private sector is not obligated to provide bilingual service.
David Amos
@Marc LeBlanc "It's amazing
how many self professed uni-lingual francophones miraculously learn
english when they land in Old Orchard Beach,Florida or Mexico,but loose
it again when they land in WalMart in Miramichi"
YUP
YUP
Marguerite Deschamps
@David Amos, they don't
usually say: "I can't speak English". They say: "En français
s'il-vous-plaît". Because they are entitled to receive services in their
official language in this province and country, just like you do. As
for service in the public sector, you can rest assured that I would do
my best to serve my clients in the language of their choice. I would
learn some Mi'kmaq if I had significant numbers of them patronizing my
business.
David Amos
@Marguerite Deschamps I owned a successful business in my younger days I doubt you ever did N'esy Pas?
Nicolas Krinis
I think that the Shiac spoken
in NB should protected everywhere in the province. Most of the
francophones don't even speak French, but a dialect.
Joseph Vacher
@Nicolas Krinis
it should be put out to die like a crippled farm animal
it should be put out to die like a crippled farm animal
Marguerite Deschamps
@Joseph Vachier, not more
than 40 years ago, you would not have been able to get a job in New
Brunswick if your name was the pseudonym that you are using right now.
Even in the 1980's, most high ranking government jobs were held by
unilingual Anglophones with English names.
Dan Lee
@Marguerite Deschamps
Now that is 100% right........I lived in Fredericton in the early 70s......I used to go to King place and other places......never seen a French worker then.......I remember going for my birth certificate and I can still hear the employees giggle when a French person called....
Now that is 100% right........I lived in Fredericton in the early 70s......I used to go to King place and other places......never seen a French worker then.......I remember going for my birth certificate and I can still hear the employees giggle when a French person called....
david herman
@Marguerite Deschamps
So Margaret...really all you are saying here is that the french are causing BILLIONS in government expenditures out of SPITE...typical.
So Margaret...really all you are saying here is that the french are causing BILLIONS in government expenditures out of SPITE...typical.
Nicolas Krinis
@Marguerite Deschamps So let's treat Anglophones the same way? Is that what you're saying?
Marguerite Deschamps
@david herman, the
Francophones are only taking their fair share of jobs, not more. And we
are not asking for more. Billions? Chill out, will you!
Marc Martin
@Nicolas Krinis
What ya saying bra ? no wut im say g ? This Is what I hear every from English kids...Its perfect English ?
What ya saying bra ? no wut im say g ? This Is what I hear every from English kids...Its perfect English ?
Marc Martin
@Dan Lee
It sill happen, I even get grumpy eyes when me and my wife speak French, Fredericton is one of the worse place.
It sill happen, I even get grumpy eyes when me and my wife speak French, Fredericton is one of the worse place.
Marc Martin
@david herman
The English cost more since you have more population, so whats your point?
The English cost more since you have more population, so whats your point?
Marc Martin
@Nicolas Krinis
The same way they are currently treating us ? Sure why not ..
The same way they are currently treating us ? Sure why not ..
Nicolas Krinis
@Marc Martin Nothing compared to the "French" spoken in NB.
Nicolas Krinis
@Marc Martin How are they
treating francophones? Do you really believe they are treated unfairly?
You must be joking or living under a rock.
Jim Reid
@Marc Martin not my kids, You do know that MTV is not what it was in the 80s a wee too much rap for you M&M
Gil Murray
@Marc Martin Sorry, but picking on kids? Weak.
Nicolas Krinis
@Marguerite Deschamps No,
they are not. They are actually taking the lion's share of jobs because
English is a much easier language to learn than French. Moreover, many
people pick it up automatically in their communities. Let's describe
things the way they are, not what we see from our rose-colored glasses.
And we would be happy to "chill out" but the unfairness is suffocating.
Marc Martin
@david herman
*french are causing BILLIONS in government expenditures*
Links ? Proof?
*french are causing BILLIONS in government expenditures*
Links ? Proof?
Marc Martin
@Nicolas Krinis
There still is these day courses in French colleges who use English books. Now you tell me how you are being treated unfairly.
There still is these day courses in French colleges who use English books. Now you tell me how you are being treated unfairly.
Marc Martin
@Gil Murray
Unfortunately I don't consider people over 18 kids, do you ? Truth hurts ?
Unfortunately I don't consider people over 18 kids, do you ? Truth hurts ?
Marc Martin
@Jim Reid
You need to get out of your hole and listen to the English people in the city how they speak.
You need to get out of your hole and listen to the English people in the city how they speak.
Marguerite Deschamps
@Nicolas Krinis, if French is
so hard to learn, then how come some do learn it and become bilingual,
Anglophones as well as Francophones? I know; I did work with a lot of
them. And I can assure you that a bilingual Anglophone is sure to get a
government job. And I have no problem with that.
David Amos
@Marc Martin "It sill happen, I even get grumpy eyes when me and my wife speak French, Fredericton is one of the worse place."
Methinks if you were true to yourself and tried to fit in with the folks you picked for neighbours when you came down from Quebec for a fancy job then you would discover that its most likely you and your snobby attitude rather than the lingo you are using N'esy Pas?
Methinks if you were true to yourself and tried to fit in with the folks you picked for neighbours when you came down from Quebec for a fancy job then you would discover that its most likely you and your snobby attitude rather than the lingo you are using N'esy Pas?
Marc Martin
@David Amos
From Quebec ? I am from up north, silly Davis you don't know the geographic of New Brunswick, French people are born in NB !!!
*your snobby attitude *
Because I speak French to my wife on the street ? Thanks for proving your bigotry.
From Quebec ? I am from up north, silly Davis you don't know the geographic of New Brunswick, French people are born in NB !!!
*your snobby attitude *
Because I speak French to my wife on the street ? Thanks for proving your bigotry.
David Amos
@Marc Martin Methinks one would be foolish to believe anything you claim N'esy Pas?
Marc Martin
@David Amos
I think you should apply this to yourself Davis.
I think you should apply this to yourself Davis.
David Amos
@Marc Martin You are always demanding links Methinks you show this one to your boss N'esy Pas?
https://www.scribd.com/doc/2718120/integrity-yea-right
https://www.scribd.com/doc/2718120/integrity-yea-right
John O'Brien
I am very familiar with Kris's and PANB's position.It is not anti-bilingual. If the French people
CHOOSE not to speak French, why is it up to NB's taxpayers to spend million$$$$$$ making a French Gestapo.The biggest reason by far that Anglo's resent French political power is that it NEVER, NEVER gives any consideration to anyone else. Yes they are a founding group but so are Irish , Welsh, German , Italian and now we haves waves of Asian immigrants- but all we hear in NB is "en francais s'il vous plait."
CHOOSE not to speak French, why is it up to NB's taxpayers to spend million$$$$$$ making a French Gestapo.The biggest reason by far that Anglo's resent French political power is that it NEVER, NEVER gives any consideration to anyone else. Yes they are a founding group but so are Irish , Welsh, German , Italian and now we haves waves of Asian immigrants- but all we hear in NB is "en francais s'il vous plait."
Mack Leigh
@John O'Brien
Exactly !!! Should I choose not to speak English and demand everyone cater to me in German or Gaelic exactly how would that come across ?? Do ya think government would be falling over backwards to meet my unrealistic, unwarranted demands ?? Nope....... not a hope in hades of that happening....... If our Indigenous people tried the same stunt do you think government would comply ?? Nope again !! Time for all of this foolishness to end..... Bilingual where numbers warrant and equal funding for every single person of this province and country....... Ya want something more , then ya pay for it yourself...
Exactly !!! Should I choose not to speak English and demand everyone cater to me in German or Gaelic exactly how would that come across ?? Do ya think government would be falling over backwards to meet my unrealistic, unwarranted demands ?? Nope....... not a hope in hades of that happening....... If our Indigenous people tried the same stunt do you think government would comply ?? Nope again !! Time for all of this foolishness to end..... Bilingual where numbers warrant and equal funding for every single person of this province and country....... Ya want something more , then ya pay for it yourself...
Marc Martin
@John O'Brien
*If the French people
CHOOSE not to speak French*
What ?
There is also only 2 official language in Canada, Germain, Irish, welsh, Italian are not one of them.
*If the French people
CHOOSE not to speak French*
What ?
There is also only 2 official language in Canada, Germain, Irish, welsh, Italian are not one of them.
Roland Godin
@Mack Leigh
Some are saying because they can't pay their share they would like to have it like the goog old days, paid for by every one else, they need worry we are caring and in both langues officielles...eh!voilà.
Some are saying because they can't pay their share they would like to have it like the goog old days, paid for by every one else, they need worry we are caring and in both langues officielles...eh!voilà.
John O'Brien
@Marc Martin I remember you from before the election Marc- things are not going your way are they?
It's going to get much worse for you and your type,
It's going to get much worse for you and your type,
John O'Brien
@Marc Martin and yet all those languages are native to people who built Canada.
Bernard McIntyre
@Marc Martin. So what your
saying is the other races an languages of the other than anglophone and
francophone are 2nd class citizen's in N.B
Marc Martin
@John O'Brien
And ? They come here to adapt to our culture not the other way.
And ? They come here to adapt to our culture not the other way.
Marc Martin
@Bernard McIntyre
I'm not you are. Are you suggesting we put all the languages as official languages ? Looks like a lot of money to me...But wait !! Didn't you say you wanted to save money ?? I'm confused...
I'm not you are. Are you suggesting we put all the languages as official languages ? Looks like a lot of money to me...But wait !! Didn't you say you wanted to save money ?? I'm confused...
Bernard McIntyre
@Marc Martin. And What about
the First Nation People's Language's why are they not in the official
language. They were the first people here.
Bernard McIntyre
@Marc Martin. Yes you are
confused. Not once have I said to put all languages as official. you
just said that. What I have said no language should have more rights
than any languages. In other words in case your still confused is no
official languages. This is the year2018 in case you don't know.
Marguerite Deschamps
@Bernard McIntyre, I agree, not prior to the late 1980s when the English had all the jobs.
Bernard McIntyre
@Marguerite Deschamps Funny I work with French speaking people in the 1970's.
Marguerite Deschamps
@Bernard McIntyre, they were
few and far between in high ranking government jobs. I know; I verified
the list then. In Municipal Affairs and Justice, for example, there were
NONE. It must have been a coincidence that the turned COR Ed Allen was
Minister of Municipal Affairs.
Marc Martin
@Bernard McIntyre
So your saying your language should not have more rights then mine, then we agree.
So your saying your language should not have more rights then mine, then we agree.
Bernard McIntyre
@Marc Martin. No you keep
saying your language is in the two official languages And my language is
not. You are right in saying my language should not have more rights
than yours but yours does have more rights than mine, so we don't agree.
Bernard McIntyre
@Marguerite Deschamps Well you seemed to have had a high ranking job.
Marc Martin
@Bernard McIntyre
What more rights do I have ? You don't have access to the same services I do ?
What more rights do I have ? You don't have access to the same services I do ?
Marguerite Deschamps
@Bernard McIntyre, that was
after 1980s. And I had to do the job of the unilingual on top of mine
over and above the fact that they went frolicking pretending to learn
French on my dime.
Bernard McIntyre
@Marc Martin I don't believe the government speak my language. So I guess I don't have the same servise's as you do.
Bernard McIntyre
@Marguerite Deschamps on your dime. I believe all tax payer's pay not just you.
Marguerite Deschamps
@Bernard McIntyre, then you would save a ton of money if we did not hire these misfits.
David Amos
@John O'Brien Methinks you should say Hey to Kris for me He don't call he don't hence he don't love me N'esy Pas?
Marc Martin
@Bernard McIntyre
*I don't believe the government speak my language. So I guess I don't have the same servise's as you do.*
Is your language an official language ?
*I don't believe the government speak my language. So I guess I don't have the same servise's as you do.*
Is your language an official language ?
Rusty Brown
Tax payers, actually.
@Marc Martin That's the point here. No languages should be official.
Marc Martin
@Bernard McIntyre
Well that's the way its implemented in Canada, its for people to integrate themselves not the opposite.
Well that's the way its implemented in Canada, its for people to integrate themselves not the opposite.
Bernard McIntyre
@Marc Martin. So that makes
it right. And you said it yourself "it's for people to integrate
themselves not the Opposite" Does this mean yourself also.
Marc Martin
@Bernard McIntyre
My family is amongst the oldest and first installed in NB how about you ?
My family is amongst the oldest and first installed in NB how about you ?
Bernard McIntyre
@Marc Martin I believe the
First Nation People were here first. So that gives you more rights than
other people because your ancestor's were amongst the oldest and not
the first people installed in N.B So does that mean your ancestor's
weren't deported in 1754? So you do live in the past.
David Amos
@Marc Martin "My family is amongst the oldest and first installed in NB how about you ?"
Yea Right
Yea Right
Paul Bourgoin
The division of New Brunswick
is the worse thing happening to our Province and residents. Language
has been in New Brunswick, a tool of division between English and
French! Are we not civilized enough to live in harmony English and
French! What I question is who benefits from these linguistic cat fights
? Not NB residents, but those who blow the BUGLE of DIVISION , they are
sitting laughing while we argue and they promise to suppress the fire
of division but they hose it down with fuel then benefit financially as
English and French Argue. This has to stop! We have, and live in a
Bilingual province, we should live in harmony with one and other! Those
who light those fires of division should be BOYCOTTED BY NB RESIDENTS! ,
BOYCOTT THEIR BUSINESSES !! THOSE BENEFIT FROM THESE ACTS OF
DISCRIMINATION!!
Gil Murray
@Paul Bourgoin Actually
statistics show that less of "us" are choosing to live here all the time
as youth who can, leave. Soon there will be only bitter seniors and the
privileged few left to fight. And they are not leaving due to the many
benefits of being the only bilingual province.
Ray Bungay
@Paul Bourgoin True words spoken Pau! Thank you for those!
Jim Reid
@Paul Bourgoin Boycott their
businesses? For freedom to express? No spoken language should ever have
to be treated in this manner, the division it appears, will be further
fueled by encouragement of this nature
Mack Leigh
@Paul Bourgoin
All you have to do is look at the various RTI's obtained from both the provincial and federal government and you will soon learn exactly " who " is benefiting from this division...... And you can bet your bottom dollar it is not the Majority !!!
All you have to do is look at the various RTI's obtained from both the provincial and federal government and you will soon learn exactly " who " is benefiting from this division...... And you can bet your bottom dollar it is not the Majority !!!
maude windsor
@Mack Leigh its the liberal
party of canada....next election do not get foxed by promises of
liberals that will be broken.....NB is 80% english speaking so vote for
people/party that will bring NB back into prosperity.
@maude windsor
And ironically only 3 to 5% of Francophones speak French only....We are bankrupting our province and catering to the demands of a minority when 95 to 97% of the people in NB can communicate in English...... Can you say Take Over by the Francophone Elite ??
Marc Martin
@maude windsor
Actually its closer to 68%, nice try.
Actually its closer to 68%, nice try.
Marc Martin
@Mack Leigh
So you want to segregate the French population ? No one is forcing you to speak French but you want to force the minority ?
So you want to segregate the French population ? No one is forcing you to speak French but you want to force the minority ?
Roland Godin
@maude windsor
For some we have all the jobs, so are we the only one making an effort, a word that spell's the same in les deux langues offcielles...eh!
For some we have all the jobs, so are we the only one making an effort, a word that spell's the same in les deux langues offcielles...eh!
Roland Godin
@Mack Leigh
Are you saying don't make an effort to respect les deux langues officielles, which is not the case for 99,9% of the population and leave a sour note for all...eh!
Are you saying don't make an effort to respect les deux langues officielles, which is not the case for 99,9% of the population and leave a sour note for all...eh!
Marguerite Deschamps
@Roland Godin, the more they post gibberish, the more they sink.
David Amos
@Paul Bourgoin "The division
of New Brunswick is the worse thing happening to our Province and
residents. Language has been in New Brunswick, a tool of division
between English and French!"
Methinks the politicians created the division for their own benefit and now they are regretting it N'esy Pas?
Methinks the politicians created the division for their own benefit and now they are regretting it N'esy Pas?
Norman Albert Snr
I have always had a thirst
for knowledge. Everything you learn helps you to grow. If it helps you
in your chosen profession all the better. I Enjoyed learning until it
became mandatory and irrelevant at the same time. It was only when I
returned to NB that I ran into issues with the "system" where your
previous education means nothing if you don't meet the requirements of
the two largest employers in the province. The Government or the Empire.
Both are a drain on income potential of most who choose to live here.
David Amos
@Norman Albert Snr "I have always had a thirst for knowledge"
Me Too
In the sixties I took special French classes and latin because you know as many people as you know languages. However when I watched a lot a very decent people lose their jobs that hey had since the fifties because of the Charter I refused to speak French anymore to strangers and would not even drive through Quebec for many years. Trust that more than once I have thrown rude snobby Quebeckers out of my shop because I understood what they were saying to each other about my employees and I.
Marguerite Deschamps
@David Amos, there are always
extremists on both sides. But I can assure you that no one lost any
jobs in New Brunswick because of any Charter, except the one who met
Kathrine at the Centennial building where he should not have been there
in the first place. And to this day, unilingual Anglophones are still
hired in positions that are designated as bilingual.
David Amos
@Marguerite Deschamps My Mother in Law did
Marguerite Deschamps
@David Amos, what you are
telling us here is that you turned against all the French because of the
actions of a few. Even worse, you threw people out of your shop
because of who they are. As smart as you think you are, you should know
that the treatment you get is reciprocal to the treatment you give. Is
it any surprise given that you have a history of raising Cain with
anyone and everyone?
And some good business decision that is; throwing patrons out of your shop just for who they are! Now do tell me that I think I am smart. If you were half as smart as you think you are, you would be twice as smart as you really are!
David Stairs
I cannot believe that the
Government allows an entity which was created to fix the language
problems,to allow people like this to be put into this position, to push
their own agenda..we are paying someone to destroy a Province, as
apposed to fixing it...let's all get some common sense and remove this
guy...it is not up to the province to protect your language..it is up to
you..the province cannot force you to exercise because it is in your
best interest to do so, no more so than they can force you to learn
Gaelic....there is something missing in the translation.....you want to
protect your culture,than teach your children about your
culture...government is about the people..not culture...
Marc Martin
@David Stairs
*you want to protect your culture,than teach your children about your culture*
Are you suggesting we close all schools in NB ? Because why should I pay for your culture?
*you want to protect your culture,than teach your children about your culture*
Are you suggesting we close all schools in NB ? Because why should I pay for your culture?
Bernard McIntyre
@Marc Martin. you are right
with YOU TEACH YOUR CHILDREN YOUR CULTURE. No one should have to pay for
other people's culture and language.
Bernard McIntyre
@Marc Martin. Is cosuil gur duine feargach e. Ni iocann tu as mo theangacha agus mo chutur.
Shawn McShane
@Bernard McIntyre Chip air a ghualainn ris an canar Battle of Quebec.
Marc Martin
@Bernard McIntyre
Why should I pay for your English school teaching your culture ?
Why should I pay for your English school teaching your culture ?
Bernard McIntyre
@Marc Martin You seem to want
other people pay for your culture. No one pays' for my culture and
language and I don't expect them to unlike yourself.
Bernard McIntyre
@Shawn McShane. Yes that seems to be the case. To bad it won't fall off.
Marc Martin
@Bernard McIntyre
No one pays for your teachers , your museums , your festivals ? That a new one !!!
No one pays for your teachers , your museums , your festivals ? That a new one !!!
Dianne Bastarache
@David Stairs When you are
saying *remove this guy* you are talking about Kris Austin right?
Sadly, it seems there are laws against removing an elected official.
Marc Martin
@Dianne Bastarache
He voted for him then wants to remove him.....
He voted for him then wants to remove him.....
Bernard McIntyre
@Marc Martin. What are you
talking about. Don't you even read what you write? As you said in one of
your comment you are confused.
Shawn McShane
@Dianne Bastarache Some
things get lost in translation in your second language? He means Michel
Carrier, the interim official languages commissioner.
Marguerite Deschamps
@Bernard McIntyre,
translation: "It's a fierce person. You do not want to get out of my
languages and chat". See, I know some Gaelic too.
Bernard McIntyre
@David Stairs It's to bad
some people can't read. I believe your talking about Mr. Michel Carrier
not Mr. Kris Austin as some peole wrote in their comments. I agree about
Mr. Carrier he seems to be biased in a job that a person should not be.
Marguerite Deschamps
@Shawn McShane, we know you have a chip on your shoulder since the Battle of Quebec.
Bernard McIntyre
@Dianne Bastarache But not someone who has been appointed.
Marguerite Deschamps
@Bernard McIntyre, most
probably you lost your Gaelic language, if you ever had one, that is.
Translation software can do wonders today and make one look smart.
Shawn McShane
@Marguerite Deschamps You are
right! Translation software can do wonders, we should use it in
government, in the ambulances, in the hospitals...the list is endless
and would save a ton of money, we can get rid of duality. You are so
smart.
Marguerite Deschamps
@Shawn McShane, soon there will only be jobs left for smart people like software developers. What are you going to do?
Dianne Bastarache
@Shawn McShane No need for
the sarcasm Shawn. I am quite aware that he meant the OLC. However, in
my opinion, attitudes like those of Kris Austin causes the division and
damage in this province, not the OLC.
Dianne Bastarache
@Marguerite Deschamps lol...that's a long time to carry a chip!!!
Bernard McIntyre
@Marguerite Deschamps Naw i
still have my brough but i keep it myself and don't expect other people
to pay for it , and no you are wrong with your translation and i guess
some people aren't as smart as they think.
Bernard McIntyre
@Marguerite Deschamps. What I
said was " you seem like an angry person. you don't pay for my language
or culture" so your Gaelic is a little rusty.
David Amos
@Bernard McIntyre Methinks the lady doth protest too much N'esy Pas?
Bernard McIntyre
@David Amos. Do you think.
Marguerite Deschamps
@Bernard McIntyre, it is palpable who the protestors are on here!
Always the same people harping the same thing over and over again. Why do they keep disparaging CBC? It gives them free exposure as to how uninformed and dense they are!
Always the same people harping the same thing over and over again. Why do they keep disparaging CBC? It gives them free exposure as to how uninformed and dense they are!
Shawn McShane
If you comment on Radio
Canada it has to be only in French. If you comment here it can be in
English or French or a combination of both. Why is that?
Radio-Canada: Use French for all of your exchanges and comments. Other languages cannot be used except for an occasional word.
CBC: Use English or French for all of your exchanges and comment. Other languages cannot be used except for an occasional word.
Radio-Canada: Use French for all of your exchanges and comments. Other languages cannot be used except for an occasional word.
CBC: Use English or French for all of your exchanges and comment. Other languages cannot be used except for an occasional word.
Fred Knox
@Marguerite Deschamps Are you implying that your Anglophone friends are not educated. I know most of mine are.
Marguerite Deschamps
@Fred Knox, to the contrary; they are very smart!
David Amos
@Marguerite Deschamps Methinks I should be grateful that you think me a fool N'esy Pas?
Brian Robertson
New Brunswick must never again vote a Liberal into power, nor any Party with a francophone leader.
That is exactly how we got into this mess; and the only way we just possibly get out as well.
That is exactly how we got into this mess; and the only way we just possibly get out as well.
Marguerite Deschamps
@Brian Robertson, actually, francophone leaders never got too many votes from Anglophone ridings in any event.
John O'Brien
@Brian Robertson We have to
get them out of the courts as well. Any group that can propose and pass
anything that says French language legislation should be enforced to the
max- in other words -stifle all language except French is way too
powerful.
Marc Martin
@John O'Brien and Brian Roberston
You both are the exact type of people that voted for PANB( CoR)
You both are the exact type of people that voted for PANB( CoR)
Marguerite Deschamps
@John O'Brien, now you don't
want any Francophone to get any representation in the government in any
form or in any way whatsoever. I see that you wish to revert to an era
not so long ago, before the advent of Louis Robichaud, and even after up
to the late 1980s when the Eglish had all the jobs. New Brunswickers
were still leaving in droves to find work then, be it the French or the
English.
John O'Brien
@Marguerite Deschamps I have
not seen a French leader - in NB or Quebec- that has had any good world
view. Xenophobia and an unhealthy obsession with forcing the French
language on everyone are the usual hallmarks. I had my eyes open this
summer on a visit to Paris. There is the xenophobia certainly- French
don't seem comfortable with "foreigners", but language is totally a
non-issue in France. Canadian French are unique- and not in a good way.
Marc Martin
@John O'Brien
But why is French an issue to you in NB then ? Your not too logical are you?
But why is French an issue to you in NB then ? Your not too logical are you?
Marguerite Deschamps
@John O'Brien, I see that you
are singling out the French again. What do we call those who paint an
identifiable group with the same brush again?
David Amos
@Brian Robertson Methinks everybody knows that I would never voted for a liberal in the first place N'esy Pas?
Lou Bell
Michel Carrier , N.B. 's
french Language Cop ,stated adamantly that the criteria for working in
the Provincial jurisdiction ISN'T the best and brightest , BUT whether
you're bilingual . Has been , and if things continue as they are ,
always will be ! Years of University just aren't enough. Language trumps
all . Nothing less .
Marguerite Deschamps
@Lou Bell, now do tell where he stated this!
Shawn McShane
@Marguerite Deschamps The article above has words in blue, if you click on them they take you to different articles. Try it.
Marguerite Deschamps
@Shawn McShane, you are the one telling us he stated this. Then direct me to the one where you allege that he did state this.
Shawn McShane
@Marguerite Deschamps "Still,
there are some jobs that anglophones will not be qualified to perform
because of their lack of French-language..."
He is right, the best trauma doctor in NB was disqualified because they kept raising the bar on his French. They flew in an old doctor from Quebec who still lived in Quebec, paid taxes in Quebec and then he had to resign because they couldn't get a hold of him for an emergency. Read to the end: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/head-of-new-brunswick-trauma-program-steps-down-1.1410851
He is right, the best trauma doctor in NB was disqualified because they kept raising the bar on his French. They flew in an old doctor from Quebec who still lived in Quebec, paid taxes in Quebec and then he had to resign because they couldn't get a hold of him for an emergency. Read to the end: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/head-of-new-brunswick-trauma-program-steps-down-1.1410851
Marguerite Deschamps
@Shawn McShane, there is absolutely nothing in your reference backing up anything that you allege!
David Amos
@Lou Bell "Michel Carrier , N.B. 's french Language Cop"
Methinks you should check the lawyer's work within SNB before he got the fancy French Language cop job the first time N'esy Pas?
Methinks you should check the lawyer's work within SNB before he got the fancy French Language cop job the first time N'esy Pas?
People's Alliance leader defends party's notion of language rights
Kris Austin says he'd like to meet with francophone leaders but doesn't expect party will change position
People's Alliance Leader Kris Austin lashed back Tuesday at the acting commissioner of official languages, who has suggested the party attracted supporters by blaming bilingualism for some of the province's problems.
Austin objected to Michel Carrier's singling out of a political party for criticism.
"I can imagine if the auditor general came out and blasted the Liberal Party about accounting, or the ombudsman come out and question the Conservative party about policy, it would be frowned upon," Austin said Tuesday.
"But yet Mr. Carrier seems OK with coming out and attacking us on language."
- Languages commissioner concerned about ongoing 'resentment' toward bilingualism
- Departing language watchdog urges MLAs to explode myths that stoke prejudice
- Kris Austin defends himself, as Acadian voices against People's Alliance multiply
He suggested that after 50 years of official bilingualism, some anglophones still resent the rights confirmed by the Official Languages Act, believe francophones have a better crack at civil service jobs, and question the need for duality in the ambulance service.
More selective application
Austin said his party, which won three seats in the September election, supports the right of francophones and anglophones to receive services in the language of their choice but takes exception to how and where this right is implemented.
"If you question how taxes are implemented, are you opposed to all taxes?" he asked on Information Morning Fredericton. "If you question how health-care service delivery is given, do you oppose health care?
It can be great in the world of ideologies, but it has to work on the ground, or what's the point? - Kris Austin, People's Alliance leader"What we're doing is we're simply saying, 'Look we support the right of both French and English in this province but we have serious questions on how it's implemented. I don't know why that's an unfair thing to talk about or discuss."
Although he said his party supports bilingualism, Austin suggested it isn't needed everywhere.
For example, he questioned the need to have separate school buses for francophone students and the need to have bilingual paramedics in areas that are largely unilingual.
Information Morning - Fredericton
PANB responds to Michel Carrier
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"They don't want to lose their language and culture, I respect that and I understand that," he said.
"But then you have certain individuals that come out and basically say [taking] a 20-minute school ride on a bus that's not dual busing, somehow kids are going to lose their language, and I'm thinking, 'That's just ridiculous.'"
System needs to be 'reasonable'
Austin said his party supports bilingual paramedics, but it's difficult for paramedics working between 40 and 50 hours a week to learn a second language on the side.
"You've got to be reasonable about this and it's got to make sense," he said. "It can be great in the world of ideologies, but it has to work on the ground, or what's the point?"
He said the problem is reversed for francophone paramedics who struggle with English and can't get full-time work in areas of the province where paramedics are in high demand.
"You can either have unilingual paramedics showing up in 15 minutes, or you can have bilingual paramedics showing up in 45 … I think most New Brunswickers would say, 'Give me the quick response.'"
Would like to meet francophones
Austin said he's open to meeting with Carrier and leaders of the francophone community. But he also said the Alliance won't be budged on what many francophones consider a retreat on official language rights.
"Our opinion is probably not going to change on this," he said. "We're very resolute in how we look at it.
"But again if there's areas where we can make it work better … I'm certainly open to those conversations."
With files from Information Morning Fredericton
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