Codiac Transpo seeks removal of ad from anglophone rights group
Ad asks if implementation of bilingualism has 'gone too far'
Jordan Gill · CBC News · Posted: Nov 17, 2019 10:58 AM AT
The Anglophone Rights Association of New Brunswick advertisement is shown on a Codiac Transpo bus. (Facebook/Nicole Doiron)
Codiac
Transpo has requested that an ad from the controversial Anglophone
Rights Association of New Brunswick that appeared on buses in the
greater Moncton area be removed.
The ad asked the question: "Do
you feel the implementation of Bilingualism has gone too far?" and
directed readers to the group's email and website.
In a Facebook post, Codiac Transpo said it has asked the firm in charge of advertising on city buses to remove the ad.
"Although
Codiac Transpo, the City of Moncton, the City of Dieppe and the Town of
Riverview are not part of the content approval process, we do require
advertising to be respectful toward everyone in our community," said
Codiac Transpo.
"It
has come to our attention that an advertisement appearing on one of our
buses does not follow the City's position on bilingualism."
The city of Moncton declared itself officially bilingual in 2002.
'Disrespectful' and 'divisive'
In
an email, the Acadian Society of New Brunswick commended Codiac
Transpo for quickly seeking the removal of the ad, but that it should
never have been approved from the outset.
"The publication of
this ad was disrespectful to both official language communities and
should have been rejected by Codiac Transpo and their third-party
advertising partners," said the society.
The society said that
groups like the Anglophone Rights Association "must be called out for
their divisive rhetoric" and asks why the ad had not been flagged as
offensive before it was posted.
It
has come to our attention that an advertisement appearing on one of our
buses does not follow the City’s position on bilingualism. The
advertising contract for buses and shelters is managed by a private
sector company. Although Codiac Transpo, the City of Moncton, the City
of Dieppe and the Town of Riverview are not part of the content approval
process, we do require advertising to be respectful toward everyone in
our community. Codiac Transpo has already reached out to the company to have these advertisements removed. ...
Nous avons appris l’existence d'une publicité sur l'un de nos autobus
qui ne suit pas la position de la Ville en matière de bilinguisme. Le
contrat de publicité pour les autobus et les abribus est géré par une
entreprise du secteur privé. Bien que Codiac Transpo, la Ville de
Moncton, la Ville de Dieppe et la Ville de Riverview ne participent pas
au processus d'approbation du contenu des publicités, nous exigeons
qu’elle respecte tous les résidents de notre communauté. Codiac Transpo a
déjà communiqué avec l'entreprise pour que cette publicité soit
retirée.
"Are there advertising policies in place meant to prevent such situations from arising?" said the society.
"If
so, why did the system fail? If not, the time come for all levels of
government to look at service delivery models that prevent advertisers
from promoting divisive and untruthful messages or otherwise publicize
the euphemistic propaganda of organizations like the ARA."
Moncton city councillor Charles Léger said he also questions why the ad was allowed on the bus.
"What
are the checks and balances that are in writing that can help so that
we don't have to have this conversation again," said Léger.
Michel
Doucet, a lawyer and former University of Moncton law professor said he
doesn't think the ad reflects the values of the greater Moncton area,
but having it on a city bus lends legitimacy to the message.
He thinks the city was right to ask to have the ads removed.
Lawyer
Michel Doucet said while people have a right to oppose bilingualism,
the city of Moncton shouldn't offer a platform to legitimize the
opposition. (Marielle Guimond/Radio-Canada)
"These people have the right to oppose official bilingualism, it's part of the free speech," said Doucet.
"But
I believe that the municipalities should be more careful of the types
of messages that are found in the [ads] inside the institutions which
are part of the municipality or on businesses which form part of the
municipality."
No comment from association
In an email
sent from the address included on the Anglophone Rights Association
advertisement, a member of the group's executive team said they do not
"have any comment at this time."
This isn't the first time the group has come under fire for its advertising in the Moncton area.
In
2016, the group rented a billboard advertising an upcoming meeting in
the city. The ad included the text "English have rights too!"
With files from Radio-Canada, Marielle Guimond & Nicolas Steinbach\
281 Comments After much editing for the benefit of the SANB Commenting is now closed for this story.
David Amos Methinks I should give the SANB and Robert Gauvin another call N'esy Pas?
David Amos Methinks I just proved my point again N'esy Pas?
David Amos Content disabled Methinks for the benefit of the SANB "Content disabled" is the order of the day first thing this morning N'esy Pas?
David Amos
Content disabled
Methinks everybody in
the SANB knows how much I love their circus particularly when the
lawyer Michel Doucet becomes their featured entertainer N'esy Pas?
Al Clark
Content disabled
Reply to @David Amos: Guest of her majesty this weekend?
David Amos
Content disabled
Reply to @Al Clark: Oh My My
David Amos Methinks
lawyers truly concerned about the status of bilingualism in New
Brunswick should have read Federal Court File No T-1557-15 by now N'esy
Pas?
Al Clark
Reply to @David Amos: Face facts Davy. NO-ONE has read it but you.
David Amos
Reply to @Al Clark: Methinks everybody but you knows that the Crown has argued it through 14 decisions N'esy Pas?
Al Clark
Reply to @David Amos: Suuuuure ;-)
Marc Martin
Reply to @Al Clark: Davis tends to imagine alot of stuff.
David Amos
Reply to @Marc Martin: Who is your buddy Davis?
Mack Leigh All,
All minority languages should receive equal treatment including all
funding should they not ? Why are some labeled " distinct " receiving
the lion's share of everything then ??
Marc Martin
Reply to @Mack Leigh: You dont have access to schools, hospitals and gov services?
Mack Leigh
Reply to @Marc Martin:
Let us discuss the issue of money ... On a per person basis Francophones
receive the lion's share of all taxpayers money both federally and
provincially.. Heritage Canada alone gives millions more every year to
Francophones than it does to all other minorities combined... Check the
facts for yourself Marc . Francophone schools receive millions more per
year than the Anglophone or Everyone Else school system does. Francohone
Health authority receives millions more per year........ Look at the
facts and then tell me how downtrodden the francophones are... No one
minority , of which francophones are one, deserves any more or any less
.
Samual Johnston
Reply to @Mack Leigh: you really think support of the Italian language should have equal footing with French ? really?
Sanual Johnston
Reply to @Mack Leigh:
on the issue of money --- yes it is expensive and yes I believe some
changes should be made but "lions share of taxpayers money". that is
false. - Best if you can provide some figures and sources for you
statements. lions share and millions more does not cut it.
David Amos
Reply to @Marc Martin: Cry me a river
Marc Martin
Reply to @Mack Leigh:
Numbers? Or you imagine stuff like Davis? Fact is the English
population of NB has 73 % of the schools for 68% of the population...
Who receives more money again?
Marc Martin
Reply to @David Amos: Are you sure your talking to the right Marc ?
David Amos
Reply to @Marc Martin: YUP
Michel Pelletier I
am french and I learn my English by having a few English class
during all my 12 years of schooling. The part the practical part of
learning English was to listen and watch English television,
and the part is I was not shy to speak English to people you
cannot or do not want to learn french. Being bilingual is a
blessing and if I could learn a third language I would to do it
now. Being able to speak both in French and English is choice,
that has to be made. If somebody tell me that he or she have
difficulty being bilingual either french to English or English
to french is simply to lazy.
Toby Tolly Reply to @Michel Pelletier: i wouldnt call your 6 line message understandable english\
Samual Johnston
Reply to @Toby Tolly:
you take a crack at your message in French --- I cannot speak or
write in French but envy those who can.
Marc Martin
Reply to @Toby Tolly: Thank you for proving that 32% arent fluent enough and do require French service.
Toby Tolly
Reply to @Samual Johnston: well i can
but that wasnt my point
David Amos
Reply to @Toby Tolly: Oh my my
Marilyn Carr People should be hired on education and experience not language.
Marc Martin
Reply to @Marilyn Carr: Only people who have never worked for the gov think that.
David Amos
Reply to @Marc Martin: Yea Right
Marc Martin
Reply to @David Amos: Cry me a river....
McKenzie King It
seems ridiculous to me that one organization like the Acadian Society
can push French and be lauded as a wonderful organization, while another
like the ARA pushes English and is branded as "divisive." They are
actually both very divisive organizations because they insist on
promoting the things that make us different, not the things that we have
in common. This is the very definition of "divisive" and should have
no place in decent society. And to brand one and support the other is
tantamount to racism.
Mack Leigh
Reply to @McKenzie King:
Would that be called double standards ? Or silencing the masses in favor of one minority ?
Marc Martin
Reply to @McKenzie King: ARNB is a hatred .group thats the difference
David Amos
Reply to @McKenzie
King: Methinks you can thank the ghosts of Trudeau The Elder and his
buddy Premier Hatfield for this nonsense N'esy Pas?
David Amos
Content disabled
Reply to @Marc Martin: Yea right
Patrick Buick I
am not anti-French, I work with many people whose primary language is
French. However, speaking of divisive, not long ago in NB there was a
fuss by the Francophone school district because to save costs, a single
school bus was used to transport both Anglophone and Francophone
students. They forced the issue to where there were two separate buses.
That is by definition divisive and not *bilingual*, but forced,
separated unilingual. The driver spoke both official languages, the
definition of Bilingual and therefore could provide bilingual services.
What about the *bilingual* couple suing Air Canada because they weren't
served in French? How about the *bilingual* person who raised the issue
that they couldn't be served in French at closing time at a NB Liquor
outlet in a rural area? That is divisive action. I remember when I got
ridiculed because I tried to buy ice cream in rural Quebec and didn't
speak good enough French to understand the rapid-fire French the clerk
was speaking, and she couldn't speak English. I at least *tried*. She
eventually stormed off and an older man came to help and we completed
the transaction. That left a lasting mark on me. I haven't heard of any
cases (not to say there aren't any) where an Anglophone raised a
language issue where they couldn't be served in English.
David Amos
Content disabled
Reply to @Patrick Buick: At least you got to make a statement without being blocked
Marc Martin
Reply to @Patrick
Buick: First the request to have seperate buses started up north in
Edmundston by the English population. Second working myself for the
Federal gov. over 80% of the bilingual positions are filled out with
English people who speak French, there is also 0 French only position
while there is a ton of unilingual position educate yourself.
Mack Leigh
Reply to @David Amos:
Blocking or being disabled seems to be rampant on this post...Once again only wishing to promote one point of view.
Norman Albert
Reply to @Patrick
Buick: We are unable to hire EMTs now because they do not meet language
requirements. Those that do meet the rigid qualification will of course
need to be properly compensated for a service they may never require. We
are becoming by design a Tower of Babel with the influx of immigrants.
Language translation technology will be a great asset. Are all first
responders now required to speak 10 languages? $$$$$$$$?
Norman Albert
Reply to @Mack Leigh:
Welcome to "freedom of expression" Canada style. Say what you like as
long as it does not offend anyone. So many comments directed at comments
already fl agged.
John Valcourt A
complaint from the SANB and the city of Moncton jumps. This only
legitimizes the claim of the ARNB. A big miss by the mayor of Moncton
and her followers.
David Amos
Content disabled
Reply to @John Valcourt: Exactly
A sign on a bus got the Anglophones national coverage because the
Francophone clown who usually does all the whining and crying did so
again.
Methinks less is more Furthermore I bet the Anglos are too busy laughing
to bother commenting before the Speech From The Throne this week and
the PANB having to make a big decision N'esy Pas?
"In an email sent from the address included on the Anglophone Rights
Association advertisement, a member of the group's executive team said
they do not "have any comment at this time."
Mack Leigh
Reply to @John
Valcourt: Mayor Arnold and her city Counselors need to come to the
realization that they were elected to represent all of the people of
Moncton and not just the Francophone Elite....
David Amos
Reply to @David Amos: BINGO
Natalie Pugh Keep
up the good work ARNB! It's great when we know we struck a nerve!
Francophone groups like the sanb along with the acadian liberal party
have been stepping all over us for far too long!
David Amos
Reply to @Natalie Pugh: YUP
J A Content disabled God
forbid you have an opinion that may offend others. Nothing wrong with a
counter view to a topic. The add does not incite violence and is not
hate speech. I may not agree with it's message, but should it be
removed? No. The censorious leftists will find anything to have a
meltdown over though so the emotional outcry from them is all too
predictable and will garner clicks for CBC.
David Amos
Content disabled
Reply to @J A: Good luck getting all your words published here
Al Clark Joe
Cittadino: You have, and always have had, your rights. You are free to
speak your language and celebrate your culture as much as you like, the
same as any other linguistic community in Canada. What you are NOT free
to do, is to force your language on everyone else in a perverted sense
of "equality" to the detriment of Canadians using a different language.
It is very obvious that what you are really trying to accomplish, is
what the british army could not accomplish 300 years ago.
David Amos
Content disabled
Reply to @Al Clark: Methinks everybody knows who you really are N'esy Pas?
Al Clark Reply to @David Amos: cry me a river?
David Amos
Content disabled
Reply to @David Amos: BINGO
Chris Paul I've
traveled every part of NB. I also lived in Quebec for 12 years. My
wife is from an Acadian family. NB has been my family's home for
several hundred years. I respect and love both French and English
culture.
The issue from my perspective is this...
Acadians are proud people who want to see their language and culture
continue to be strong in NB. They want their French language rights to
be respected. The vast majority of NB's understand this.
Special interest groups vs politicians vs legal system. This is where
it gets complicated. Politicians passed bilingualism laws to help
ensure that french language rights were respected. Special interest
groups now cry foul every time they see any perceived violation. They
pressure politicians and the threaten legal action.
Employment. This is one of the primary issue with English speaking
people. Any federal, provincial or municipal employee who might have
contact with ANYONE who is French must be bilingual. Most Francophones
in NB are bilingual due to North America being most English. Most
Anglophones are are English only and many struggle with bilingualism as
they can only speak it or practice in a classroom setting.
When it comes to work and employment, Anglophones are at a distinct
disadvantage due to no fault of their own. NB is 65% English vs 35%
French. It makes for frustration among Anglophones that their children
may need to leave NB to pursue the best employment opportunities.
David Peters
Reply to @Chris Paul:
I think it creates more problems than it solves when you give rights to
one group of ppl over another. Basic, individual rights for everyone
would be better, imo.
Chris Paul
Reply to @David
Peters: Up until recently, most politicians in NB were reluctant to talk
about language laws or official bilingualism for fear of the backlash
from special interest groups. NB is on the right track but adjustments
need to be made. I feel like this is starting to happen.
Roland
Godin
Reply to @Chris Paul:
« Anglophones are at a distinct disadvantage due to no fault of their own ».
Interesting, I respect NB anglophones as self reliant and not self pity
fiddlers however, do you include Northern NB, Québec, Vancouver
anglophones in your dissertation...EH!
Roland
Godin
Reply to @David Peters:
Not easy to historically share that right...eh!
John
Valcourt
Reply to @Chris Paul:
The bilingualism laws passed were not done so to protect the french
language rights and the culture. That is the responsibility of french
speaking families, not english speaking families.
David Amos
Reply to @John
Valcourt: Methinks it all began with Hatfield seeking enough votes from
the north in order to get elected again Then McKenna made things a lot
worse N'esy Pas?
Marc Martin
Reply to @Chris Paul:
working myself for the Federal gov. over 80% of the bilingual positions
are filled out with English people who speak French, there is also 0
French only position while there is a ton of unilingual position educate
yourself.
David Amos
Reply to @Marc Martin: Higgs gave ya the boot EH?
Roland
Godin
Reply to @David Amos:
Try La Confédération 1867 sur la question des langues officielles...eh
Roland
Godin
Reply to @John Valcourt:
And vis versa...et voilà.
David Amos
Reply to @Roland
Godin: Methinks you should consider the failures of Meech Lake and the
Charlottetown Accord then consider whether or not the Charter of 1982 is
to be upheld N'esy Pas?
Roland
Godin
Reply to @David Amos:
Ontario and Québec have 50/50 common shares voting rights in the Company, other provinces are non voting franchisees...eh!
David Amos
Reply to @Roland
Godin: Methinks many a true word is said in jest but in the case of the
Charter the Quebec vote cancelled the Ontario vote and left the rest of
us holding the bag N'esy Pas?
Roland
Godin Reply to @David Amos:
It is business as usual, sell your 50% shares it remains 50%, and yes franchisees hold the bag...et voilà.
Marc Martin Content disabled
Reply to @David Amos: Never worked provincial .. Are you still harrassing that poor guy?
Faye King Mr.
Doucet's comment to CBC where he states "These people have the right to
oppose official bilingualism, its part of the free speech". Then he
contradicts himself when he says the ad doesn't reflect the Moncton
area. How does he know that ? Have the citizens of Moncton been asked
how they feel about bilingualism ? I challenge Mr. Doucet on his
wording "these people". I think his choice of words " these people"
discriminates and tries to discredit Anglophone Rights Association of
New Brunswick. They are a group of concerned citizens who are looking
for fairness and justice when it comes to jobs that are requiring
bilingualism. Most French/Francophones can speak French and English
which means they get most of the jobs. The English/Anglophones are
struggling on the side lines looking for a few crumbs. The government
has made this problem pitting francophones against anglophones. The
ARA would like to see cooperation between both linguistic groups. You
will not see the same offer of cooperation from the SANB. When the
government is not listening to the cries of its people and there is a
group that hears and understands their burdens they will need to do what
is necessary to educate the people that don't know what's going on. I
beg to differ with Mr. Doucet about free speech. There is an attack on
free speech if there wasn't citizens would already know about how bad a
position this province and its people are in and would be inflamed !
David Amos
Reply to @Faye king:
Methinks Orwell called that Doublespeak which should be no surprised
when its practiced by a lawyer playing politics N'esy Pas?
Cleve
Gallant About time the Anglo community fights back,Besides it’s not even real french spoken here in N,B,
Omer Samson
Reply to @Cleve
Gallant: LOL Fight what? Who is there to fight? Yeah, you go look for
that enemy you have in mind and fight him. Everyone who bothers to learn
anything remotely related to linguistics, fight them all.
Cleve
Gallant
Reply to @Josef Blow: Paris,
Cleve
Gallant
Reply to @Omer Samson: You must be looking into the mirror,
Josef Blow
Reply to @Cleve
Gallant: Paris is real French? Paris is a city. Parisians who speak
French, speak French, as do Montrealers, Monctonians, Londoners (the
Queen of England speaks wonderful French). How about you? How would you
rate your French?
Cleve
Gallant
Reply to @Josef Blow: My french is nil,But your not going to convince me that Acadien french is the same in Quebec,
Chris Paul
Reply to @Omer
Samson: I think there is a genuine frustration among English people in
NB that official bilingualism is only helping one group at the expense
of the other. If you take the time to listen to the other side you
might be able to add something credible to the conversation.
David Amos
Content disabled
Reply to @Cleve
Gallant: Methinks the dude with the unbelievable name has never been to
Paris If so then he would know how and why they spell certain traffic
signs in a certain lingo N'esy Pas?
Marc Martin Reply to @Cleve Gallant: Its not real English also so whats your point?
David Amos
Content disabled
Reply to @David Amos: BINGO
David Amos
Reply to @Marc
Martin: So what if your head is more pointed that anyone else's Methinks
its no big deal when it comes to overpaid under worked bureaucrats
N'esy Pas?
Omer Samson So. Is NB a safe place for francophone families? Like, for respect, warmth, food and not being insulted? I’d like to know.
Dan Lee
Reply to @Omer Samson:
most areas are french friendly....keep away from Fredericton and south west
David
White
Reply to @Omer Samson: No more or less than it is for anyone else in the province.
Omer Samson
Reply to @Dan Lee: LOL, so the French have no Capital!
Omer Samson
Reply to @David
White: All I saw when I visited were anglophone advertisements and
people who became disoriented when I spoke French, so I've been
wondering. What are francophones being asked to do now? I hear learning
English isn't enough anymore.
John
Seritoga
Reply to @Omer
Samson: I live in this city...In Moncton there is very little that is
not displayed in both languages..But Dieppe seems to be okay with only
French ...So I would like to know what are English people in, not only
this city but in the whole province being asked to do now. I for one
think it is high time we step up to the plate and start speaking out.
Josef Blow
Reply to @John
Seritoga: Only French in Dieppe? Dieppe, New Brunswick? I have never had
difficulty getting served in English anywhere in Dieppe - or Moncton
for that matter. You?
Omer
Samson
Reply to @John
Seritoga: As an English person, I don't think I'm being asked to do
anything. But I sure as heck won't be taking away any rights from my
francophone friends. And I sure as heck will be watching those who try
to do so.
Mack Leigh
Reply to @Dan Lee:
You have got to be kidding, Fredericton ?? There has been a focused
effort to completely frenchify Fredericton for the past several years..
Police force under attack, all government jobs now required to be
bilingual, francophones including from Quebec moving in , in droves .
Yup, Frederiction has been frenchified really, really well.
David White
Reply to @Omer
Samson: "All I saw when I visited were anglophone advertisements and
people who became disoriented when I spoke French,:...... Maybe the
reason was that you were in an English part of NB? Go figure.
Marc Martin
Reply to @Mack Leigh:
Yes Fredericton i live here and experiencing the hatred. by the way
working myself for the Federal gov. over 80% of the bilingual positions
are filled out with English people who speak French, there is also 0
French only position while there is a ton of unilingual position educate
yourself.
Samual Johnston
Reply to @Dan Lee: lol oh like the English gangs in Fredericton are gonna run them out of town. lol
David Amos
Content disabled
Reply to @Marc Martin: Cry me a river
David Amos
Reply to @Mack Leigh: Oh So True
@ The answer to that ad is “YES”, it’s a 50yr old failed experiment. Time to stop throwing money at something that doesn’t work.
Marc Martin
Reply to @: Your right lets make everything French you want to save money right?
David White
Reply to @Marc Martin: That's not even a clever comeback, it's as tiring as the 100 plus times you wrote it.
Marc Martin
Reply to @David White: Made you look..
.
David Amos
Reply to @: Who are you???
David Amos
Reply to @David White: I concur
David White
Reply to @Marc Martin: If you like to think so, and it makes you feel clever, which we already talked about.
Maggie Leard free speech is a freedom we must protect. everyone has an opinion that must be said for and against...….
Cleve
Gallant
Reply to @Maggie Leard: Tell that to Sportsnet,
Theo Lavigne
Content disabled
Reply to @Cleve
Gallant . Having freedom of speech is one thing but being racist in
ones opinion are two totally different things.
David Amos
Content disabled
Reply to @Maggie
Leard: Methinks everyday all day long within this forum "Free Speech"
is a myth that CBC pretends to support if it fits the liberal agenda
N'esy Pas?
David Amos
Reply to @David Amos: BINGO
Mac Isaac Reply
to @Maggie Leard: Once and for all Ms Leard, Canada does NOT have any
right known as "freedom of speech"...THAT is an Amercanism. What we DO
have in Canada, as described in our Rights and Freedoms is something
called 'freedom of expression" which might be akin to the American
"freedom of speech" but I think is much more nuanced. Look it
up...you'll find I'm correct and maybe you might educate others on this
misnomer which seems to be more prevalent among those arguing about
something less than freedom of expression; especially if you're French.
David Amos
Reply to @Mac Isaac: Who cares what you call something that does not exist?
Michel Pelletier "Do
you feel the implementation of Bilingualism has gone too far?" No it
hasn't gone far enough, I am french ans I still want to learn
English no matter what. Both langages have given more opportunity,
than being unilingual. More french speaking people talk
English than English speak french.
Andrew Lordon Reply
to @Michel Pelletier:of course it's easier for the French to lean
English is because they are immersed in it TV, radio, pulp culture,
movies, music, population of NB, Canada, even North America 24/7 365.
That's why it's easier put an English kid in the same environment same
results. I dont believe it governments intent to make everyone bilingual
and what bilingualism has become today for pure political gains is
disgusting and needs to stop.
Marc
Martin Reply to @Andrew Lordon: I didnt know only the French have internet, TV, Radio? You must live in a secluded region buddy.
David Amos
Reply to @Marc
Martin: Methinks he may be fortunate in that regard At least we won't
bump into the likes of you in Fat Fred City N'esy Pas?
David White Leave it to NB to take things to the extreme in whatever they do, be it Cannabis sales, Healthcare, (insert whatever here).
For decades NBers have been subjected to the rhetoric that whatever
agenda the provincial Gov. is trying to sell that it will benefit all
and make things better, and it never does.
For some bizarre NB reasons, the Offical Languages act in NB is being
misinterpreted as full 'Bilingualism' when it's not. (This is also
happening in places like eastern Ontario)
It is supposed to mean that when a French or English person goes for a
government service they can be served in English or French.
Big deal if you have to get passed to another person to take your call
or have someone else come to serve you at a front desk. ( Before people
get bent out of shape, I would expect this to happen to an English
person up in north NB also)
Why do certain people find that 'offensive' and scream anti-whatever?.
Hire for competency in a job, stop giving jobs based on if someone can
barely muddle through in two languages. (This works both ways whether
you are french or english btw)
No reason regionally Gov. employees could not be unilingual with some
people on staff that can speak both if needed as was the original
intention before the Government's big vision of a bilingual province.
How did this failure get so far out of hand?
Marc Martin
Reply to @Joe Cittadino: Italian is not an official language...
David Amos
Reply to @Marc Martin: Yea right
Jake
Devries Content disabled
Oh look, SANB are triggered...pity
David Amos
Content disabled
Reply to @Jake Devries: LOL
David Amos
Content disabled
Reply to @Jake
Devries: "These people have the right to oppose official bilingualism,
it's part of the free speech," said Doucet." Then a a big "But"
Methinks the lawyer means to say that the SANB rules Moncton and the CBC N'esy Pas?
David Amos Content disabled
Reply to @David Amos: BINGO
Lou Bell Tha
SANB / Liberal closed door Official Languages agenda , just like the
closed door 110 million dollar Phonie Games agenda !! Mr. Doucet , the
SANB , U de M , and the SANB Liberals speak again !
Mack Leigh
Content disabled Reply to @Lou Bell:
Free speech and true democracy is dependent on the language you speak here in NB..
David Amos
Content disabled Reply to @Mack Leigh: Methinks they are myths no matter where one may be or what lingo you partake of N'esy Pas?
JJ Carrier Content disabled
I smell Ontario Proud
David Amos
Content disabled Reply to @JJ Carrier: Methinks everybody else smells your buddies in the SANB N'esy Pas?
Joe
Rootliek I heard many times from Anglophone friends, my daughter, son, cannot get a government job, they are not bilingual.
Then the Ambulance debacle- Well, I want to be saved, even if the man
speaks only Chinese. I think at the hospital they can find a translator
with all the technology we have today, eventually, I will be given the
news in Chinese. Vital signs and symptoms usually have no language
barrier, nor do blood tests or x rays.
Same as the bus routes. Give us a break. Save money, where the
distance is long, one bus driver for french and english students where
there are only a few students on that long, long road. I am sure they
can all get along to get to their respective schools.
Things like that, yes, Bilingualism has gone too far.
James
Risdon
Reply to @Joe
Rootliek: If a person's kid can't get a job because they aren't
bilingual, the solution is simple. Get the kid to learn the other
language.
Bingo. Presto. Problem solved.
Bottom line is this: If you want a job you have to have the
qualifications for the job. You don't apply to be a surgeon without
going to medical school. You don't try to fly a plane without a pilot's
license. You don't start messing with a company's computer network
without the qualifications in computer science and technology.
And you don't properly serve a bilingual population in New Brunswick
without bilingual language skills. There are jobs where government
workers deal only with anglophones and don't need French. Those
unilingual jobs are posted. Many jobs require both languages.
So learn them and stop whining like a baby.
Fred Brewer
Reply to @James
Risdon: Wow. You really think it is that simple? I put my daughter
through years of total french immersion. Was her french good enough to
get a bilingual job? Nope. The standards are way too high and even if
she met the standard, in most cases she would quickly lose her ability
as french is seldom spoken. The only folks who can manage to sustain
their french are those that were born and raised in french and still
speak it at home. Anyone else will quickly lose it and lose their job
once they no longer meet the strict french language proficiency tests.
It's just not as simple as "learn to speak another language"
Mack Leigh
Reply to @James Risdon:
Wow !!! Surely you are not that naive to believe that it is as simple as
"learn French " ?? This is a takeover of our province by the Elite with
" language " being the convenient weapon of choice......
Clifton Tremblay
Reply to @Joe Rootliek: Your concern for unilingual Francophones not getting jobs is duly noted.
James Risdon
Reply to @Mack Leigh: Then disarm them by learning the language.
Mack Leigh
Reply to @James Risdon:
I have absolutely no need or desire to learn french.. My mother tongue
is German along with Gaelic and I do not insist that every other
Canadian learn those languages... I would not use french. I could not
retain or sustain the language as is the case with the majority of
Canadians... Only approx. 3 % of Francophones in NB do not understand
English so why is the tail still wagging the dog here in NB. No
one....one minority deserves any more or any less than everyone else so
why all of the pandering including the lion's share of all government
funding to one minority only ?
JJ Carrier
Content disabled
Reply to @Mack Leigh:
Again, you are boring everyone to tears today so re-start CoR to keep
yourself occupied...Everything you have said is Cliche City...
Mack Leigh
Content disabled
Reply to @JJ Carrier:
Fully understand that actual facts, figures and the truth are foreign to you as they do not fit your agenda.....
Michel
Forgeron
Reply to @Fred
Brewer: You are one example. Others have not had the same experience. My
two kids went to French immersion, one then to U de M, she teaches
French now, the second is a medical professional who treats both English
ad French patients in their own language.
BruceJack Speculator
Reply to @James
Risdon: I bet a little "app" on a smart phone makes a better bilingual
effort than many of the so-called bilingual govt members even elected
ones when they try to operate in English.
David Amos
Content disabled Reply to @Michel
Forgeron: Methinks your family all have a Medicare cards as well and get
their health care for free while I have to pay Trust that I will sue
the British Queen you adore in only one official language in order to
secure my rights that you don't care about N'esy Pas?
David Amos Content disabled
Reply to @JJ Carrier: Speak for yourself
James Risdon Reply
to @Fred Brewer: It is that simple. My father, a francophone, learnt
English to work for a big American company in Canada. When he rose
through the ranks and was sent to Spanish-speaking countries, he learnt
Spanish.
He then switched companies and went to work for a company based in
Germany and learnt German. In school he had learnt Latin. In retirement,
he decided to learn to speak the Greek language for fun as he wanted to
travel there.
In college, I had a girlfriend who spoke five languages. All of my friends, just about, spoke at least three languages.
My wife, who is Chinese, speaks Cantonese and writes Chinese. When she
came to Canada, she first lived in Ontario and learnt English. Then, she
met me and since I am francophone and I wanted to raise our children to
speak both French and Chinese as well as English, my wife took it upon
herself to learn French. Today, years after graduating from university,
she works for the federal government and speaks to people in both French
and English and has retained all her Chinese language skills.
Learning another language is just like learning to fix a lawnmower, ride
a bike or skate. It just takes practice and a willingness to learn.
It can't be all that difficult to learn a language. Little kids do it
without even thinking about it. I picked up English in kindergarten
without even realizing I was learning a new language. I just sort of
soaked it up.
James Risdon
Reply to @Mack Leigh:
So your argument - as I understand it - is that francophones should have
less in the way of official language rights because the vast majority
of them are intelligent enough to learn English.
What does that say about anglophones who do not speak French?
I, for one, believe anglophones are as intelligent as francophones and
just as capable of learning French as francophones are capable of
learning English.
But, maybe I'm wrong. Maybe, as you suggest, anglophones in New
Brunswick are just a bunch of idiots. I highly doubt it - but you seem
very sure of what you're saying.
David Amos
Reply to @James Risdon: Oh my my aren't you somebody special?
June Arnott Wow. Like we don’t have enough hate going around...
Harold Fitzgerald
Content disabled Reply to @June Arnott:
You're referring of course to the fact that NB Anglos hate having their
concerns ignored for 50 years. Lets hope they're concerns finally get
addressed.
Samual
Johnston
Reply to @June
Arnott: is it about hate or is it about government policies and
finances? It is a question and not a rude one. Do you think
religious organizations should pay property tax? We should not be
afraid of words even if we disagree with them.
James Risdon
Reply to @Samual
Johnston: No. Religious organizations should not have to pay taxes
because of the services they provide to the population.
Samual
Johnston
Reply to @James Risdon: perhaps but we do have the right to ask the question right?
James Risdon
Reply to @Samual
Johnston: Of course. As a religious person, I would welcome a discussion
on that subject. It would allow churches to demonstrate everything they
do and help grow awareness of the faith.
David Amos
Content disabled
Reply to @James Risdon: Howcome you never asked your party leader why I sued Cardinal Bernard Francis Law in 2002?
The yellow warbler is a type of migratory bird that can often be seen in New Brunswick but hasn't been spotted much this year. (Submitted by Laura Tranquilla)
A change in migratory patterns may be the reason for fewer
sightings of birds this fall, the Atlantic regional director of Birds
Canada says.
Laura Tranquilla, who's also a biologist in
Sackville, said she suspects the birds aren't stopping in New Brunswick
while flying south for the winter.
The boreal forest of northern
Quebec and Newfoundland had a bountiful seed crop this summer, which
may have better prepared the birds for the long trip, she said.
"If the food runs out then when they're migrating, they need to
stop frequently to pause and get a snack and move on, just like when you
go for takeout when you're hungry when you're travelling," Tranquilla
said.
Laura Tranquilla, the Atlantic regional director of Birds
Canada, said habitat loss, climate change and industrial interference
can disturb bird populations. (Submitted by Laura Tranquilla)
"The idea is that the birds that nest there are in quite good
condition, and so they don't have to stop as frequently when they're
flying south."
Jim Wilson, a naturalist who volunteers at Point
Lepreau Bird Observatory, said he also noticed the decline in the number
of birds, including robins, thrushes and yellow warblers.
"It seems like [there's] a general quietness everywhere you go, in southern New Brunswick at least," Wilson said.
Wilson
also noticed there are still lots of berries on trees that weren't
picked away by birds, and he's even received calls from people saying
their bird feeders are untouched.
Jim Wilson said the decline in bird populations in New Brunswick isn't a good sign for the environment. (Matthew Bingley/CBC)
He agreed with Tranquilla in that the birds may have skipped over New Brunswick, and he doesn't think it's a good sign.
"An absence of birds translates into kind of an ominous sign in
our environment ... we do know through some of these recent
announcements of studies that there's a number of factors, but it seems
especially dramatic this fall," he said.
Tranquilla said it's
tricky to understand why bird populations are declining. because every
season is different, but a changing climate, industrial interference and
habitat loss could be to blame.
"The habitats of the planet,
the forests and the fields and the places where birds live in large
numbers, are just being chopped up into little pieces," she said.
She
also said she can't be sure if the death of 7,500 migratory birds at
Canaport LNG in 2013 is a contributing factor this season because there
are changes each year.
Three billion migratory birds, or about
30 per cent, have been lost since the 1970s, according to a recent
report published by Sciencemagazine.
Tranquilla said the decline in the bird population is a warning sign people should take seriously.
"Birds are really telling us about the state of our planet," she said.
Magnolia warblers are popular migratory birds in the Maritimes that feed on red berries. (Submitted by Lucas Berrigan)
"Even if you don't care about birds,
it's a signal for us to realize that we're not treating the planet well
and birds are just giving this signal over and over."
Tranquilla
said everyone can do small things to help protect birds such as
reducing single-use plastics, keeping cats inside and helping birds that
hit windows.
"I've heard the phrase, 'Not on my watch,'" she said.
"It
might be not looking great, but I think while we're here, we all have a
responsibility to do the best we can to try and make things better,
even if we're not sure what the long-term story is going to be."
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John Haigh cLIMAtE ChAnGE GuYs
David Amos
Reply to @John Haigh: Or simply mowing down the forests then spraying the hell out the remains
Al Clark
Reply to @David Amos:
I thought you'd be familiar with the term "two thousandths" from
playing with Briggs & Str 'er hardly Ablesons but maybe get an eight
year old to splain and illustrate 2/1000 or 0.2%
David Amos
Content disabled
Reply to @Al Clark: Why is it that I feel so honoured by the fact that you hate me?
Shawn McShane
Content disabled
Reply to @David Amos: He hates me too Merlin
David Amos
Reply to @Shawn McShane: Interesting insult
David Amos
Content disabled
Reply to @Shawn McShane: I am not the one who made all the comments I made in my original ID since 2015 Go "Poof"
Bernie Heather McIntyre Well here in Martion we have plenty of different species of birds and our feeders are well used.
David Amos
Reply to @Bernie Heather McIntyre: Count your lucky stars
John Holmes
Yes,
this could be correct. But also equally probable is that all of the
clear cutting and glyphosate spraying has killed off a vast number of
them.
David Amos
Reply to @John Holmes: It ain't rocket science
John Holmes
Reply to @David Amos:
It might as well be to the industry paid shills that write articles
pointing at other possible causes. I'd be willing to wager that the
decline in numbers is the direct inverse of the amount of spraying and
clear cutting increases.
Shawn McShane
Reply to @John Holmes: It is climate change and the carbon tax will fix it.
Terry Tibbs
Possibly, though this is NB, no shortage of turkeys I hear................
David Amos
Reply to @Terry Tibbs: Methinks Minister Holland rejoices about that fact N'esy Pas?
Fred Brewer
Reply to @Terry Tibbs: Yes, they are found in abundance in the halls of our legislative assembly building.
Reply to @Fred Brewer: I feel that the people are turkeys and there is something else from animal farm in the halls.
Terry Tibbs
Reply to @David Amos:
Wrong turkeys.
David Amos
Reply to @Terry
Tibbs: The folks voted for them while laughing at me So now its my turn
to chuckle at the nonsense of it all because I gave up on politicking
and have become accustomed to the fact that people get the governments
they deserve.
UNB to study Ludlow Hall name change after link to slavery raised
Students have called for law faculty building name to be changed because of namesake's connection to slavery
Jordan Gill · CBC News · Posted: Nov 18, 2019 4:37 PM AT
UNB president Paul Mazerolle said he wants a working group to look at UNB's rules about changing a building's name. (Joe MacDonald/CBC)
The University of New Brunswick has decided a committee will study whether its law faculty building should get a new name.
Ludlow Hall is named after George Duncan Ludlow, a Loyalist who became the province's first chief justice.
Several
students have expressed concern about the name in recent months, and in
October the school's Law Students' Society officially asked for
Ludlow's name to be removed.
Ludlow,
who lived from 1734 to 1808, made court rulings in favour of slavery
and was an early proponent of Indian day schools, a precursor to
residential schools.
Now
UNB president Paul Mazerolle said he wants a working group to look at
the name and the university's rules on name changes in the future.
"What about all the other buildings rooms and roads at UNB?" said Mazerolle.
"What names have been applied? Did we use good due diligence?"
Although
Mazerolle said he supports exploring a name change, he wouldn't weigh
in on whether he felt a name change was warranted.
Ludlow has been called 'the leading judicial partisan of slavery in New Brunswick.' (archive.org)
"I don't want to pre-empt the recommendation of the working group," said Mazerolle.
"The working group will be providing recommendations to myself and I'll provide recommendations to the board of governors."
Mazerolle
said he's heard from members of the university community who support a
name change and those who feel the name should stay.
"That's
precisely why I think we need to have a working party with a range of
groups on it, including students, including alumni, including content
experts, historians, etc., who can take a full look [at] Ludlow's role,"
said Mazerolle.
Information Morning - Fredericton
Finding new name for UNB Law building
The
University of New Brunswick is considering changing the name attached to
its law school after complaints from students. UNB president Paul
Mazerolle explains the process. 10:46
Mazerolle said the process will have
two parts. The group will report back to him on May 1, 2020, about
whether Ludlow Hall should be renamed, and it will make a recommendation
on a larger policy in December 2020.
The Law Students' Society resolution asked the university to remove the name "without delay."
"I hope the message is not that we're going slow on this," said Mazerolle.
"The
message is, we need to take a deep dive into the history of Ludlow, the
naming of the institution and what we should do as an institution."
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