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Methinks Higgy is dazed and confused like deer caught in the headlights now that everybody is bickering about foreign help and the Feds want them to come N'esy Pas?
https://davidraymondamos3.blogspot.com/2020/04/new-brunswick-bans-temporary-foreign.html
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/covid-19-temporary-foreign-workers-ban-new-brunswick-1.5549584
Food, trucking industries race to reverse provincial ban on temporary foreign workers
Premier says vacancies can be filled by foreign workers already in province, unemployed New Brunswickers
· CBC News · Posted: Apr 29, 2020 5:40 PM AT
New Brunswick employed nearly 1,700 temporary foreign workers in 2019. (CBC News)
Industries that depend on temporary foreign workers say they still hope to persuade the HIggs government to reverse a ban on any more of the workers entering New Brunswick during the COVID-19 pandemic.
Premier Blaine Higgs announced the ban Tuesday but several groups and organizations say they hope to change his mind or win exemptions.
"We're not accepting that this is something that can be announced without any consultation," said Lisa Ashworth, president of the Agricultural Alliance of New Brunswick.
She said the consensus after an emergency conference call with her board was to keep pushing for a reversal. "It was a resounding 'continue on, we are not accepting this, this is not OK.'"
The Atlantic Provinces Trucking Association also wrote to Higgs on Wednesday urging him to consider an exemption.
"Since we are an essential service, I don't know why they put a pause on this for us," said executive director Jean-Marc Picard.
Watch: Unemployed people could fill vacant positions usually taken by temporary foreign workers, premier says
Premier Blaine Higgs said some of the 70,000 unemployed people in New Brunswick could step up to fill in the 600 vacant positions in agriculture and fisheries. 1:34
Seafood processors are also speaking to provincial officials to try to persuade them to reconsider.
"I'm certainly not prepared to throw in the towel," said Nat Richard, the manager of corporate affairs at Downeast Cape Bald Packers in Cap-Pelé. "I'm still hopeful an accommodation can be found."
Richard said the processing sector is already making stringent health measures the top priority in their plants, and it can be done without putting the sector here at a disadvantage while other provinces continue to admit foreign workers.
But Higgs remained firm at his daily COVID-19 briefing Wednesday, acknowledging the disruption but deeming it necessary.
"We must continue to exercise caution," he said. "I want to keep that death count at zero."
The premier's Tuesday announcement left producers and processors scrambling.
Trickle-down effect on prices
Tim Livingstone, whose Strawberry Hill Farm near Woodstock grows 50 different fruit and vegetable crops and sells them in boxes to hundreds of customers, says without the four Mexican workers who were due to arrive next week, his labour costs will increase."With our costs doubling or tripling, we have no choice but to raise food costs," he said.
That will likely lead some of his customers who can't afford the higher prices to turn to cheaper produce from other provinces.
Tim Livingstone of Strawberry Hill Farm in Woodstock says the ban on temporary foreign workers could cost him customers. (Submitted/Tim Livingstone)
He said he'll either go out of business or lose some customers permanently.
Higgs suggested again Wednesday that New Brunswickers, and foreign workers already in the province, could fill the labour shortages at farms and processing plants.
Since it now appears likely the federal government will allow the spring lobster season to open May 15, the premier said the province will work with processors to find the workers they need.
With 70,000 unemployed New Brunswickers and students in the province, the premier said it should be possible to fill the approximately 600 farm and fish plant vacancies.
Richard said seafood processors are ready to hire local workers first but "chronic, systemic workforce shortages" have been a fact of life in the sector for more than a decade.
Tim Livingstone, middle, is pictured with two of his temporary foreign workers, Victor Manuel Magin-Pena, left, and Odulio Majin-Sanches. (Submitted/Tim Livingstone)
And Livingstone, who already employs two New Brunswickers for every foreign worker he hires, said Higgs's idea is not as simple as it sounds.
"It takes a lot of training to get anyone who's not familiar with the day-to-day of agriculture up to speed with this," he said.
His four regular Mexican workers "walk on the farm and they know the spacing, they know how to plant, they know how to harvest all of our 50 crops. They walk in knowing all of this."
Farmer receiving mixed signals
Higgs said Wednesday he's "confident that we have the people who have the right skill set or could be trained to have the right skill set in a short period of time. … Let's give New Brunswickers a chance to show just how good we can be."The ban on foreign workers came only a couple of weeks after Higgs mused publicly about encouraging more food production in New Brunswick to respond to the disruption to global supply chains created by COVID-19.
Livingstone said only eight per cent of vegetables consumed in New Brunswick are produced here.
"That was the message that the province relayed two weeks ago, that eight per cent was a very fragile line to be on," he said.
"We really need to bring those numbers up, but at the same time now they're saying you can't have the skilled people you need to do that, so it's a contradiction, I feel."
Higgs said the 1,500 temporary foreign workers already in the province can stay but allowing any more would risk reigniting the spread of the coronavirus, which has been on a downward trend in New Brunswick.
Premier Blaine Higgs maintained his stance on temporary foreign workers despite outrage from various industries. (Government of New Brunswick/Submitted)
The federal government has offered employers $1,500 per worker to cover the costs of them self-isolating for 14 days after arriving.
According to Statistics Canada there were 1,690 temporary foreign workers in New Brunswick in 2019. The majority, 995, worked in seafood processing, while 215 drove transport trucks and 185 worked on farms. Five were doctors, all of them specialists.
Examining wages
On Twitter on Wednesday, economic development consultant David Campbell said seafood processing wages were higher than the national average a decade ago but have since dipped below."A little wage escalation in seafood processing is a good thing," he said, pointing out that Pêcheries Bas-Caraquet had hiked its hourly wage offer by five dollars, to $21.25 per hour, in a Facebook post Tuesday morning.
That rate "should get more interest," he said.
Listen to Lisa Ashworth of the Agricultural Alliance of New Brunswick explain how farmers were caught off guard by the decision
Information Morning - Moncton
New Brunswick farmers caught off guard by ban on temporary foreign workers
Lisa Ashworth is the president of the Agricultural Alliance of New Brunswick. 11:28
He said his plant has never hired foreign workers and they're not necessary. "We have enough people in Canada who aren't working," he said. "The day I have to bring foreign workers into my plant is the day I close it."
But Livingstone said not all employers can afford to raise wages.
With farmers paid by volume and workers paid by the hour, highly productive workers like the Mexicans he brings in are able to harvest more, leading to more sales that keep the farm viable.
"Our Mexican guys get paid very well," he said. "People think it's cheap. It's not. It's because they show up every day and they produce. They want to work and their output is phenomenal."
He said they're willing to work six-day work weeks, which is important for some crops that need to be picked multiple times in the same week.
"It's very tough to get Canadians to come in on the weekend at all so it's tough to get that harvest done on a critically sensitive crop, especially when weather is a factor," he said.
Ashworth said the decision caught farmers off guard, given Ottawa has opted to allow foreign workers to enter the country despite a border shutdown. "We're concerned that one province has decided to go it alone," she said.
She said farmers who don't follow strict COVID-19 guidelines risk losing the federal funding for self-isolation costs, so there's a strong incentive for them to comply.
'I am incurably optimistic'
Livingstone says he will have to decide soon whether to refund about $100,000 he has already collected from families for summer vegetable boxes — some of which he has already spent on supplies for the season.He may also cut off any new sign-ups for boxes, and, with wage costs likely to increase, he may lose money on the boxes he's already committed to distributing.
"It's a tough spot to be in. ... We're going to take a hit one way or the other."
But he said even though Agriculture Minister Ross Wetmore told him Tuesday the decision was "a done deal," he supports any effort to change the government's mind.
"I am incurably optimistic. Maybe that's why I farm," he said.
"If there is enough pressure and enough understanding around what this means — and around the reality that food is also an important commodity that we tend to take for granted — I think it's possible that we could still see a change in that decision."
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David Amos
Methinks it a dog eat dog world in Higgy's Police State N'esy Pas?
David Amos
The plot thickens
"The federal government has offered employers $1,500 per worker to cover the costs of them self-isolating for 14 days after arriving."
David Amos
Methinks the Feds are gonna have lots of fun playing in Higg's circus N'esy Pas?
"Seafood processors are also speaking to provincial officials to try to persuade them to reconsider.
"I'm certainly not prepared to throw in the towel," said Nat Richard, the manager of corporate affairs at Downeast Cape Bald Packers in Cap-Pelé. "I'm still hopeful an accommodation can be found."
David Amos
Methinks a lot of New Brunswickers would have loved to move to Chipman and put their family in a brand new Kent home we helped to fund and get a job government supplemented job driving a logging truck for the Irving Clan N'esy Pas?
eddy watts
ahhhh another principled politician...give Higgs another 24 hrs to see where the (future) votes are coming/going, then wait to see if it is another flip-flop. What we don't need in a crisis is a so-called leader, spending his/her time watching voting patterns.
John Smith
Reply to @eddy watts:
he cares about people dying because these temporary foreign workers are
coming from countries where Corona virus is running out of control. Do
you care? Who should die so these greedy business people can save a buck
or two?
val harris
Reply to @John Smith:
Ignorance is a terrible trait John. What’s your career anyways
government employee, retired with government pension or just a stay at
home dad
David Amos
Reply to @val harris: Methinks he has partaken of far too much of Higgy's blue kooaid N'esy Pas?
David Amos
Reply to @eddy watts:
Methinks Higgy is dazed and confused like deer caught in the headlights
now that everybody is bickering about foreign help and the Feds want
them to come N'esy Pas?
eddy watts
Reply to @John Smith: ???He was fine with the farm workers coming 2 weeks ago. It isn't just weak leadership that frustrates progress, it's their minions as well.
John Smith
No, Tim Livingstone your willingness to put New Brunswickers in danger for your own selfish reasons will cost you customers.
val harris
Reply to @John Smith:
Keep pushing mr Livingston as good new brunswickers will support
businesses like yours and don’t worry about the nay sayers they are few
with nothing in the game.
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John Smith
Reply to @val harris:
well maybe he should pay for self isolating his workers instead of
asking the taxpayer to pick up the bill. So we do have skin in this
game. It is our money he is stealing to pay for HIS business expense.
val harris
Reply to @John Smith: Wow it’s always about money unreal. Who cares
John Smith
Reply to @val harris:
I am more than willing to take your money if you want to send it. Kind
of like your TFW friends, who are taking money from the taxpayer so they
can save a buck or two. So maybe you should preach to them instead of
me about money. They are the Ebeneezer Scrooges of New Brunswick.
Willing to let people die so they can save a buck.
val harris
Reply to @John Smith: Blinders are a terrible thing
David Amos
Reply to @val harris: I agree with Mr Livingston too
Reply to @val harris: agreed, maybe you can remove yours someday.
John Smith
Reply to @David Amos: of course you agree with val. That is no surprise.
David Amos
Reply to @John Smith: Say Hey to Higgy for me will ya?
Reply to @David Amos: I don't live in his neighborhood but I am sure he visits yours , so say hi yourself.
David Amos
Reply to @John Smith: You know I do
val harris
Reply to @John Smith: You have no neighbors John geez
val harris:
Reply to @John Smith: What was your profession again?
John Smith
Reply to @val harris: BUSINESS person. I know this is a foreign concept for you and your friends.
John Smith
Reply to @val harris: lots of neighbors who I respect. Your friends, not so much.
val harris:
Reply to @John Smith: That’s funny a business person haha.
val harris:
Reply to @John Smith: I imagine your bubble is having a hard time to fill but your hot air should help
John Smith
Reply to @val harris: LOL
David Amos
Reply to @val harris:
Methinks he is just another Conservative spindoctor not using his real
name There are legions of them from both the right and the left playing
this wicked game N'esy Pas?
John Smith
John Smith
He said his plant has never hired foreign workers and they're not necessary. "We have enough people in Canada who aren't working," he said. "The day I have to bring foreign workers into my plant is the day I close it."
But Livingstone said not all employers can afford to raise wages.
P.S. Mr. Livingstone wants to bring slave labour to New Brunswick.
David Amos
Reply to @John Smith:
Methinks you are a very strange Conservative spindoctor Even you must
admit that your Irving heroes hire foreign labour and we have to help
Higgy's billionaire buddies house them etc with our tax funds N'esy Pas?
Dave Corbin
I
know for a fact we depend upon temporary foreign workers in our
transportation sector. If trucking cannot get these workers the province
will shut down in the next few hours, no food retailer, no retailer of
any kind will be open to service anyone by tomorrow. Higgs is fully
irresponsible on this.
John Smith
Reply to @Dave Corbin: cry me a freaking river, cheap skate
David Amos
Reply to @John Smith:
Methinks it is you who is crying quite a river today and I bet a lot
farmers and fish packers would like to know who you really are N'esy
Pas?
John Smith
Val Harris doesn't have a good argument so she reports people. Classy gal, that Val.
val harris
Reply to @John Smith: What did I report? I don’t lose sleep on I....
David Amos
Reply to @John Smith: Methinks Val has more class in her little toe than you have in your whole soul N'esy Pas?
David Amos
Reply to @val harris: Sweet dreams
Chantal LeBouthi
Higgs doesn’t make economic since but this isn’t about public safety but politic one
And this isn’t legal
Lou Bell
Reply to @Chantal LeBouthi: ????????
David Amos
Reply to @Chantal LeBouthi: I concur
David Amos
Reply to @Lou Bell: Methinks you should have your lawyer explain it to you N'esy Pas?
Troy Murray
Reply to @Chantal LeBouthi: completely wrong. He is about protecting the people no matter who they vote for
Troy Murray
Reply to @Chantal LeBouthi: completely wrong. He is about protecting the people no matter who they vote for
James Risdon
Train New Brunswickers to do the work. It's that simple. With all the Canadians who are unemployed, there's absolutely no need for foreign workers.
The premier is right on this one.
Anyone who says there is a chronic shortage of workers in these industries is missing a key fact - although it's hard to imagine how anyone could fail to see it - and that's that this is an unprecedented situation. There are more New Brunswickers unemployed and businesses going broke here than at any other time since the Great Depression.
During the Great Depression, did Canadians take jobs picking fruit and doing farm work?
You bet.
Yes, it's hard work. Yes, you need to know what you're doing.
But when you're faced with the prospect of going bankrupt or taking the job, you take the job. And right now there are a lot of New Brunswickers who need those jobs.
Giving those jobs to foreign workers at this time would be downright immoral.
David Amos
Reply to @James Risdon: Your Irving buddies do it and we have to help with our tax funds CORRECT?
Larry Larson
Reply to @James Risdon: Canadians will NOT do farm work! Mexicans and others have been picking fruit in Canada for decades.
Mark Curran
Reply to @James Risdon: Canadians will NOT do farm work! Mexicans and others have been picking fruit in Canada for decades.
Mark Curran
Reply to @James Risdon: You know whats harder than picking fruit? Working retail with the 'karens' of the world out there.
Johnny Almar
Reply to @Larry Larson: Canadians will not do slave labour for slave wages. This is greed of business owners shining through.
David Amos
Reply
to @Larry Larson: Methinks many folks will agree that legions of
Canadians do farm work everyday all day long and many do so long before
the sun comes up and then do their books long after the sun goes down
N'esy Pas?
Troy Murray
Reply to @James Risdon: it is all about the money, pay the wage and locals will work
Reply to @James Risdon: it is all about the money, pay the wage and locals will work
James
Risdon
Reply to @David Amos:
Although I give the impression of living a life of leisure and great
wealth, I am not now nor have I ever been able to say I count the
Irvings as my personal friends. Now, I have a certain admiration for the
success the Irvings have had and I respect that even as I have
reservations about some of the things they do. But we are not "buddies".
I doubt the Irvings even know who I am anymore.
As for what it is they do, I have no idea - as usual - what you're talking about.
As for what it is they do, I have no idea - as usual - what you're talking about.
James
Risdon
Reply to @Larry
Larson: How do you know Canadians will not pick fruit at a time when
jobs are more difficult to find than at any other time since the Great
Depression?
You don't.
You don't.
James
Risdon
Reply to @Johnny
Almar: This isn't slave labour and those aren't slave wages. You owe our
Canadian farmers an apology for suggesting they are slave drivers.
James
Risdon
Reply to @Troy Murray: They are paying wages. And there are New Brunswickers looking for work. That's the point.
Troy Murray
Reply to @James
Risdon: if that is true, maybe their free money should be cut off. The
days of pounding the streets for a job must be done I guess
Kyle Woodman
These workers often return year after year to work on the same farms. Why haven't we tried to bring Victor Manuel Magin-Pena, and Odulio Majin-Sanches here with their families as immigrants? Why aren't we setting up immigration links with mexico and jamaica to strengthen our agricultural sector. We need to offer these folks a stake in the game.
David Amos
Reply to @Kyle Woodman: Maybe they don't wish to live here
Johnny AlmarReply to @Kyle Woodman: No we don't. We need to offer New Brunswicker's a stake in the game and keep the foreigners out.
Kyle Woodman
Reply to @Johnny Almar: that strategy is clearly not working. How do you propose getting more NBers into farming?
David Amos
Reply to @Kyle Woodman: Methinks you should listen to my debate in Fundy Royal in 2015 again I had a plan for farmers N'esy Pas?
Troy Murray
Reply to @Kyle Woodman: once here, they will need more money to live, and the cycle to hire cheap foreign labour will continue
Kyle Woodman
Reply to @Troy Murray:
if the current system of farming in NB remains that is true. If we were
to grow more than 7% of the produce we consume, and institutions bought
local, there might be a market there. We need to invest in greenhouses
in some way as well to make it more of a year round proposition. Nova
Scotia had some success in the Annapolis Valley attracting Dutch farmers
to settle. Same happened in the dairy industry in the 80's. We brought
in a bunch of Dutch dairy farmers to meet demand. PEI has done well
attracting Amish farmers from Ontario. Land prices are very low on
average in NB.
Larry Larson
When it comes to clue less, Higgs is right up there!
David Amos
Reply to @Larry Larson: Methinks you were a fan of Higgy's not long ago N'esy Pas?
David News
Unbelievable.
On one hand we have thousands of people displaced by covid-19, we are
being told that many small business's will not survive. On the other
hand we have two industries looking for workers, historically these
workers and been imported on a seasonal basis, but with covid-19 they
cannot get into the province.
For the unfortunate folks that have lost their jobs due to this pandemic. There is work available it seems. Time for the governments provincially and federally to start using moral suasion to push the unemployed, claiming CERB or UIC into these vacant jobs.
Only in Canada you say eh!
For the unfortunate folks that have lost their jobs due to this pandemic. There is work available it seems. Time for the governments provincially and federally to start using moral suasion to push the unemployed, claiming CERB or UIC into these vacant jobs.
Only in Canada you say eh!
David Amos
Reply to @David News: Welcome back to the Circus
Chantal
LeBouthi
Higgs want business to used unskilled poeples putting them at risk
Chantal
LeBouthi
David Amos
Reply to @john smith:
What are you talking about
What are you talking about
Mark Curran
Reply to @Chantal
LeBouthi: He basically said you dont understand manual labor when you
mention 'unskilled' workers to pick fruit.
Chantal
LeBouthi
Reply to @Mark Curran:
Trucking companies?
Trucking companies?
Mark Curran
Reply to @Chantal
LeBouthi: You cant hire anyone without a proper class of licence so what
are you talking about ? Invest in local people to get their class one.
Problem solved. It's not our fault that whatever trucking company youre
associated with planned on using cheap labor forever.
Reply to @Chantal LeBouthi: Methinks the "Powers that Be" want us to forget what he has been talking about N'esy Pas?
Mark Curran
Pay a fair wage and the workers will come.
David Amos
Reply to @Mark Curran: True
DJ Redfern
i
think the Premier will re- think this ban.......hopefully we can trust
the employers to ensure the workers quarantine properly and just too
make sure the rules are followed health officials should monitor
this.......
Johnny Almar
Reply to @DJ Redfern: No. Use NB workers. End of story.
David Amos
Reply to @DJ Redfern:
Methinks Higgy will flip flop just like he did with the emergency room
issues if his puppet-masters tell him that it is politically correct to
do so N'esy Pas?
Chantal LeBouthi
No tourists aloud
Mark Curran
Reply to @Chantal LeBouthi: or proper grammar
Ben Haroldson
Reply to @Mark Curran: Spelling, you mean.
David Amos
Reply to @Chantal LeBouthi: Not in Alma anyway
David Amos
Reply to @Mark Curran: I pity the Petty
Chantal LeBouthi
Dr.
Jennifer Russell, the chief medical officer of health, would not answer
directly when asked if she had advised Higgs to ban any more foreign
workers.
"This is a government decision
Higgs decision
"This is a government decision
Higgs decision
Johnny Almar
Reply to @Chantal LeBouthi: And it is the right decision. The safe decision. All of the signs of a great leader's decision.
Mark Curran
Reply to @Johnny Almar: Higg's is doing a great job.
David Amos
Reply to @Chantal LeBouthi: Methinks Russell proved to us who her puppet-master is N'esy Pas?
Chantal LeBouthi
Irving
Oil wants to ship more Canadian crude to its Saint John refinery, but
wants to use a new method. The company applied to the Canadian
Transportation Agency for permission to use foreign oil tankers
Mark Curran
Reply to @Chantal LeBouthi: Cool
David Amos
Reply to @Chantal
LeBouthi: Go Figure how many oil tankers are available these days at a
cheap rate. In fact some are being used just for storage.
Johnny Almar
Local
business owners need to up their game and make their jobs enticing to
locals. Relying on foreigners when there are a lot of unemployed locals
is wrong and dangerous from a safety view point.
I think a lot of these owners are looking at the 2-week isolation Federal stipend for foreigners and thinking about nothing but $. Greed is a powerful motivator.
Start paying decent wages and you will get your staff.
I think a lot of these owners are looking at the 2-week isolation Federal stipend for foreigners and thinking about nothing but $. Greed is a powerful motivator.
Start paying decent wages and you will get your staff.
David Amos
Reply to @Johnny Almar: So Says one of Higgy's favourite snitches
Mr.
Higgs decision to ban further temporary foreign workers is probably due
to both an effort to protect NB’ers from the virus, and to encourage
NB’ers to get back to work and off the public purse. We need more
politicians who are willing to make the tough decision despite knowing
they would face a backlash.
That said, there is another way to look at the employment side of this issue. I question if it is the best option to force the affected industries (farmers, fishers, etc) to bear the brunt of our scarcity of willing workers when the source of the problem really lies in the fact that our social programs, which are largely federal, are generous enough that many people prefer to live off the public purse rather than work.
Another thought is that it is difficult for Canadian farmers to remain competitive with the USA in these industries when the US relies on low wages of undocumented or illegal immigrants while we go through piles of red tape, largely federal, to access the same workforce.
Perhaps Mr. Higgs is trying to do what Justin should be addressing.
That said, there is another way to look at the employment side of this issue. I question if it is the best option to force the affected industries (farmers, fishers, etc) to bear the brunt of our scarcity of willing workers when the source of the problem really lies in the fact that our social programs, which are largely federal, are generous enough that many people prefer to live off the public purse rather than work.
Another thought is that it is difficult for Canadian farmers to remain competitive with the USA in these industries when the US relies on low wages of undocumented or illegal immigrants while we go through piles of red tape, largely federal, to access the same workforce.
Perhaps Mr. Higgs is trying to do what Justin should be addressing.
Chantal LeBouthi
Reply to @Bill Hamilton:
So your saying all the guidelines put in place by is own government are worthless then
So your saying all the guidelines put in place by is own government are worthless then
David Webb NB
Reply to @Bill Hamilton: 100% all the way around! Excellent post!
Mary Smith
Reply to @Bill
Hamilton: Turning social programs into one Universal Basic Income would
solve this exact problem: "our social programs, which are largely
federal, are generous enough that many people prefer to live off the
public purse rather than work".
The Universal part is what makes UBI so great: it's Universal meaning that you would receive the benefit whether you made a little or a lot - everyone receives the same amount, and anything earned on top is yours to keep with no claw back of benefit - this way, it would encourage people to go out and work because anything earned is extra and in addition to the UBI. UBI would remove the fear that people have who are on current social programs have: they do not want to work out of fear of being worse off without their benefit. UBI provides a solid financial floor that encourages people to go out and work and earn.
UBI essentially raises the wages of everyone, without putting the burden on the employer. It makes lower wage jobs (like farming) more financially appealing, because of this sort of wage boost. UBI is specifically just the amount that would bring people up to poverty level, so that it doesn't create incentive to not work (because poverty level is not really that great) but enough so that people can survive and cover their most basic needs.
The Universal part is what makes UBI so great: it's Universal meaning that you would receive the benefit whether you made a little or a lot - everyone receives the same amount, and anything earned on top is yours to keep with no claw back of benefit - this way, it would encourage people to go out and work because anything earned is extra and in addition to the UBI. UBI would remove the fear that people have who are on current social programs have: they do not want to work out of fear of being worse off without their benefit. UBI provides a solid financial floor that encourages people to go out and work and earn.
UBI essentially raises the wages of everyone, without putting the burden on the employer. It makes lower wage jobs (like farming) more financially appealing, because of this sort of wage boost. UBI is specifically just the amount that would bring people up to poverty level, so that it doesn't create incentive to not work (because poverty level is not really that great) but enough so that people can survive and cover their most basic needs.
Mary Smith
Reply to @Bill
Hamilton: Also, farms used to be run by entire large families. Families
are just smaller now, no longer 12+ kids. It used to be that these
large families all worked on the farm but shared together in the
profits. It's different now.
It used to be wall to wall milk maids, then wall to wall foreign workers, now it's wall to wall milking robots.
Eventually most jobs on the farm will be automated away, but for now foreign workers really fill the gaps. I hope that in the meantime NB can fill the immediate void in a sort of "Victory Garden" sense of stepping up, but I really do hope the foreign workers can isolate in their own countries, come here, be tested and isolate again, so that everyone stays healthy and well. I was worried when I heard that exemptions would be made for them, but I'm worried now that they're not allowed to come at all: I thought for sure they would be able to come if they did in fact quarantine.
The thing is those workers are already trained and have been coming back to the same farms over the years, and without them it will be hard for the farms to adjust: both to find workers that are as hard working as they are, and because they'll have to train new workers and the learning curve will be rough.
Immediately, we need these farms and food production chain to keep flowing and producing. I hope things get sorted and these farms aren't left to suffer or worse, fail. Because if they fail, we'll all suffer. We may very well only have what we can produce this fall - we don't yet know how many wide ranging ramifications this pandemic will have - and global food shortages seem very possible right now. We may not be able to rely on other provinces or countries for food, as they may have to worry about feeding their own first.
It used to be wall to wall milk maids, then wall to wall foreign workers, now it's wall to wall milking robots.
Eventually most jobs on the farm will be automated away, but for now foreign workers really fill the gaps. I hope that in the meantime NB can fill the immediate void in a sort of "Victory Garden" sense of stepping up, but I really do hope the foreign workers can isolate in their own countries, come here, be tested and isolate again, so that everyone stays healthy and well. I was worried when I heard that exemptions would be made for them, but I'm worried now that they're not allowed to come at all: I thought for sure they would be able to come if they did in fact quarantine.
The thing is those workers are already trained and have been coming back to the same farms over the years, and without them it will be hard for the farms to adjust: both to find workers that are as hard working as they are, and because they'll have to train new workers and the learning curve will be rough.
Immediately, we need these farms and food production chain to keep flowing and producing. I hope things get sorted and these farms aren't left to suffer or worse, fail. Because if they fail, we'll all suffer. We may very well only have what we can produce this fall - we don't yet know how many wide ranging ramifications this pandemic will have - and global food shortages seem very possible right now. We may not be able to rely on other provinces or countries for food, as they may have to worry about feeding their own first.
David Amos
Reply to @Mary Smith:
I repeat Methinks you should run for Dominic Cardy's old post as leader
to of lhe new Brunswick NDP and stay away from Higgy or anyone else
offering you butter tarts N'esy Pas?
Ben Haroldson
Food and trucking industries need to start paying a living wage, so that citizens can afford to go to work there.
David Amos
Reply to @Ben Haroldson: YUP
Chantal LeBouthi
Many more jobs going to be lost Higgs said
David Amos
Reply to @Chantal LeBouthi: Well put
Alex Butt
Two
issues, companies need to pay a real living wage and the people that
are healthy and can work, that are sitting home doing nothing and
collecting all trudeau's handouts need to GET TO WORK!!!!!!
David Amos
Reply to @Alex Butt: BINGO!!!
Chantal LeBouthi
Robert
Godfrey, executive director of the P.E.I. Federation of Agriculture,
said in his industry alone, about 400 temporary foreign workers are
expected here next month. That's about eight per cent of the workforce.
We're just very happy, very pleased to see the government has found a
way to keep people safe, as well as to ensure we get our employees,"
Godfrey said.
"The common sense approach seems to have won the day."
"The common sense approach seems to have won the day."
David Amos
Reply to @Chantal LeBouthi: Thanks for the info
James Risdon
Reply to @Chantal LeBouthi: It was the wrong move. Jobs should go to qualified Canadians first.
Graeme Duke-Gibbs
The
small number of locals required to fill the need is what shocked me.
Why not instead of expecting one person to labour so hard have 3 people
working shifts? I am sure most people could do 3 or 4 hours of just
about anything, and students have been told they can get a whopping 5
grand for helping others. More than I would argue any student in nb
would make in a summer!!
David Amos
Content disabled
Reply to @Graeme
Duke-Gibbs: Methinks Higgy et all can't deny that many politicians
remember me trying to get a job helping with the potato harvest in 2007
but nobody would give me a job because I was a political hot potato
N'esy Pas?
Chantal
LeBouthi:
Reply to @Graeme Duke-Gibbs:
So you think driving agriculture heavy equipment or trucks is easy as 123
So you think driving agriculture heavy equipment or trucks is easy as 123
David Amos
Reply to @David Amos: Oh My My Wasn't that a rather telling thing?
David Amos
Reply to @Chantal LeBouthi: It ain't
Doris
Maisonneuve
Reply to @Chantal
LeBouthi: Any job is trainable. The foreign workers do not come
pre-trained either except for those who are repeat workers. We had to
train all the foreign workers at the last place I worked. Canadians
could be trained for those same jobs.
James Risdon
Reply to @Chantal
LeBouthi: I am sure there are truck drivers out there who are out of
work given that almost all the businesses were closed and so goods were
not being delivered to them.
Those truckers, undoubtedly, want to work and feed their families.
There are qualified workers out there at this time. Let's not pretend otherwise.
Those truckers, undoubtedly, want to work and feed their families.
There are qualified workers out there at this time. Let's not pretend otherwise.
Chantal
LeBouthi
Reply to @James Risdon:
Some local cannot go on long haul or to the US
Some local cannot go on long haul or to the US
JoeBrown
Reply to @Graeme Duke-Gibbs: I love urbanite government worker's solutions to farm operations. Here is the reality though. https://calgaryherald.com/commodities/agriculture/why-we-cant-send-unemployed-canadians-to-work-on-labour-strapped-farms/wcm/292ea61c-f1e9-420c-a868-6e76c7b6ad64/
JoeBrown
Reply to @James Risdon: lol, a trucker is going t o turn into a productive farm hand? Love urbanites ideas.
JoeBrown
Reply to @Doris
Maisonneuve: Article says they spend their lives doing this biz so your
idea that someone on cash corner can become useful on a farm equipment
job is quite naive.
Dan Armitage
$21.25
an hr that's a nice comfortable income. And not sure what the trucking
association is involved here drivers are going through layoffs.
Essentials are rolling but everything else has fallen off
David Amos
Reply to @Dan Armitage: Methinks you are not alone in being confused by this circus N'esy Pas?
Dan Armitage
Reply to @David Amos: were not confused were just pointing out who is and its usually CBC
David Amos
Reply to @Dan Armitage: Methinks that may be the understatement of the year N'esy Pas?
Chantal LeBouthi
Did Higgs gave 5$ increases to health workers in nursing homes
David Amos
Reply to @Chantal LeBouthi: NOPE
Dan Armitage
Ashworth
said the decision caught farmers off guard, given Ottawa has opted to
allow foreign workers to enter the country despite a border shutdown.
"We're concerned that one province has decided to go it alone," she
said.
And an excellent move by our premier. We already see what irresponsible decisions have done to our neighbours to the north. Keep the borders closed. We can get our province back to work at the proper rate to keep us safe.
And an excellent move by our premier. We already see what irresponsible decisions have done to our neighbours to the north. Keep the borders closed. We can get our province back to work at the proper rate to keep us safe.
David Amos
Reply to @Dan Armitage: Yea Right
Doris Maisonneuve
Reply to @Dan
Armitage: The latest group of foreign workers that arrived in my area
did not isolate. They spread the COVID-19 through 2 of our nursing
homes, killing many. In the south of the province, the foreign workers
made a mess of our meat packing plants. Definitely an excellent move by
your premier. Many of us Canadians would gladly have filled the jobs
reserved for only foreign workers.
JoeBrown
Reply to @Dan Armitage: Keep collecting those welfare payments Jt has printed to keep you not working and happy.
John Smith
Reply to @Dan Armitage: PEI ALSO prohibited TFW's in that Province on March 17th. What a selective memory Ms. Ashworth has.
Andre Legault
Reply to @Doris Maisonneuve:
There are no jobs reserved for foreign workers. If a Canadian wants to work, they will get the job.
There are no jobs reserved for foreign workers. If a Canadian wants to work, they will get the job.
Chantal LeBouthi
So why did he aloud 1500 TFW in and just before the lobsters seasons start he change is mind?
David Amos
Reply to @Chantal LeBouthi: Lets ask him
Greg
Miller
If
farmers are insistent on getting foreign workers to come in to harvest
their crops let them assume all liability for the health of these
workers and to keep them on the property while in the Province. What
does that mean? That means that if a foreign worker gets sick the
employer pays all medical expenses incurred and transportation charges
for the worker to return home, once stable, if he is no longer able to
work. Any takers? I didn't think so.
David Amos
Reply to @Greg
Miller: Methinks you should run for public office on the that platform
you could unseat your friend Higgy N'esy Pas?
JoeBrown
Reply to @Greg
Miller: Higgs is too timid to get the job done, but he knows a gravy
train when he sees it. NB workers love sitting in their homes collecting
JT's printed money. They will all vote for Higgs because he made Nb
Covid free because it doesn't matter to them that the province goes
bankrupt because JT will keep their bellies full.
Greg Miller
Reply to @JoeBrown:
You might have a point but come on now you know a great number of the
people you just described vote Liberal!
JoeBrown
Reply to @Greg Miller:
You have a point that it would be good if responsibility could be put
on the farmers, but this is an invisible infecter, so it would be hard
to prove unless the farmer had outright avoided the rules. In that case i
think a penalty is in order.
I don't agree with your claim that they are liberal voters though. MB article by CBC said the businesses are in competition with JT for the workers, and Higgs is milking this gift to an election victory. Some conservative!
Look at AB meat plant with the largest workplace infection in NA - they aren't rolling over for the next 5 years waiting for zero cases to appear. This is a war and casualties have to be accepted - either from the disease or else we all go broke and insane in the process.
I don't agree with your claim that they are liberal voters though. MB article by CBC said the businesses are in competition with JT for the workers, and Higgs is milking this gift to an election victory. Some conservative!
Look at AB meat plant with the largest workplace infection in NA - they aren't rolling over for the next 5 years waiting for zero cases to appear. This is a war and casualties have to be accepted - either from the disease or else we all go broke and insane in the process.
John Smith
Reply to @Greg
Miller: The farmers already have their hands out for taxpayer money just
because they have to isolate their TFW's for 14 days when/if they
arrive.
James Risdon
Make Canada Great Again.
I'm going to start selling blue baseball caps with that on them.
Anyone want to order one?
I'm going to start selling blue baseball caps with that on them.
Anyone want to order one?
David Amos
Content disabled
Reply to @James Risdon: Methinks you have never had an original thought in your life N'esy Pas?
Chantal
LeBouthi
Reply to @James Risdon:
Nope
Nope
James Risdon
Reply to @Chantal
LeBouthi: Maybe I could give you a really good deal on it. HUGE
discounts. A really, really good deal. It's going to be amazing. Just
amazing.
Andre Legault
Reply to @James Risdon:
Nope.
Nope.
James Risdon
Reply to @Andre
Legault: Is that because you don't like baseball caps or because you
don't like the colour blue or because you don't want Canada to be a
great nation?
David Amos
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Methinks if the farmers are so outraged I must ask why Lisa Ashworth never called me back last week N'esy Pas?
https://davidraymondamos3.blogspot.com/2020/04/new-brunswick-bans-temporary-foreign.html
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/covid-19-roundup-pandemic-virus-1.5548929
N.B. COVID-19 roundup: No new cases for 11th straight day
Out of 118 confirmed cases of COVID-19 in New Brunswick, 114 people have recovered
· CBC News · Posted: Apr 29, 2020 11:58 AM AT
Premier Blaine Higgs and chief medical officer of health Dr. Jennifer Russell give an update on New Brunswick COVID-19, the novel coronavirus. 0:00
The province's chief medical officer of health has announced no new cases of COVID-19 for the 11th straight day in New Brunswick.
To date, 114 people have recovered from the respiratory illness out of the 118 confirmed cases. One person is still in hospital.
"The individual actions of New Brunswickers have been able to slow down the spread of the virus in the province," Dr. Jennifer Russell at her news conference Wednesday.
Here's a roundup of other developments.
Farmers disappointed over ban on temporary foreign workers
Farmers are expressing anger and disappointment over the province's decision to ban temporary foreign workers from entering New Brunswick to prevent the spread of COVID-19.Premier Blaine Higgs made the announcement at a COVID-19 news conference on Tuesday.
"There is no one more aware of the implications of bringing someone to New Brunswick than the families who are providing the accommodation and the workplace," Lisa Ashworth, president of the Agricultural Alliance of New Brunswick, said Wednesday.
Last week, the provincial government released a 15-document listing protocols for employers to follow if they rely on temporary foreign workers.
Ashworth said farmers were prepared to follow those guidelines, which include allowing foreign workers to isolate for 14-days upon arrival in Canada.
About 200 temporary foreign workers come to New Brunswick each year. But Higgs suggested farmers hire local help instead.
But Ashworth said many Canadians don't apply for the labour-intensive jobs and even if they did, it's difficult to provide safe training for new workers during a pandemic.
Premier Blaine Higgs said Tuesday that temporary foreign workers will not be allowed to enter New Brunswick because of the COVID-19 outbreak. (CBC)
"These are skilled agricultural labourers coming from other countries," she said. "They've been doing this job their entire lives, so they hit the ground ready to be efficient and productive.
"You can't really replace that with someone who's had a successful career in some other industry."
Ashworth said farmers were blindsided by Higgs's decision.
And without temporary workers, producers will be forced to plant fewer crops this year.
Without temporary foreign workers, producers will be forced to grow less this year, said Lisa Ashworth, president of the Agricultural Alliance of New Brunswick. (Submitted by the Agricultural Alliance of New Brunswick)
"We have producers who simply say, 'I can't do this. I have to stop spending money because I have no guarantee that I will harvest and sell a crop to recover, even a portion of the losses that I've incurred.'"
Ashworth said she understands government made the decision to prevent more cases of COVID-19 in New Brunswick.
But the province also needs a food supply.
"Without food, we don't need to worry too much about health."
Researchers in Moncton hope to develop simpler COVID-19 testing
Moncton's Atlantic Cancer Research Institute, a non-profit research organization at the Dr. Georges-L.-Dumont University Hospital Centre, is trying to find an easier way to test for COVID-19.Currently, patients receive a swab deep in their nasal passage to test for COVID-19.
But the research institute is hoping to develop a mouth swab test instead, said Dr. Rodney Ouellette, president and scientific director at ACRI.
Peter Keck (L), spokesman of the Esslingen district administration, poses from a car for photographers to demonstrate how works the new "Drive-In" for tests of the novel coronavirus SARS-CoV-2 which can cause COVID-19, in Nuertingen, southern Germany, on March 9, 2020, as a medical assistant takes a sample during a presentation of the drive-in for the media. - The number of coronavirus cases in Germany has passed 1,000, official data from the Robert Koch Institute disease control centre showed. (Thomas Kienzle/AFP/Getty Images)
"The problem with a nasal swab is it's invasive and you need somebody to take the swab," he said.
Since the mouth swab could be self-administered, it would eliminate the need for a health professional to put themselves in direct contact with someone who could be infected to orchestrate the test.
"You could do that at home quite, quite easily and then it could be sent in for analysis."
Another team of researchers at the facility is hoping to study how the virus affects people differently. They'll be doing this by taking blood samples, which could help determine who is a high-risk patient.
"We hope that by taking a small blood sample from patients, we should be able to start seeing which patients have a hyperactive immune system."
The Moncton facility has applied for federal and provincial funding for the two projects. Although they have yet to get approval, Ouellete said the mouth swab tests could be ready for use within a month if the funding becomes available.
What to do if you have symptoms
People concerned they might have COVID-19 can take a self-assessment on the government website. Symptoms include fever, a new or worsening cough, breathlessness, sore throat, headache and runny nose.More symptoms were added to the list this week, including: a new onset of fatigue, a new onset of muscle pain, diarrhea, and loss of sense of taste or loss of sense of smell. In children, purple markings on the fingers or toes are also a symptom.
If you have two of these symptoms, you should:
- Stay at home.
- Call Tele-Care 811 or your doctor
- Describe your symptoms and travel history.
- Follow instructions.
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David Amos
Surprise Surprise Surprise
"Farmers are expressing anger and disappointment over the province's decision to ban temporary foreign workers from entering New Brunswick to prevent the spread of COVID-19."
David Amos
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Methinks if the farmers are so outraged I must ask why Lisa Ashworth never called me back last week N'esy Pas? David Amos
Methinks Chantal LeBouthi posted something important this morning about Dr Russell proving to us who her puppet-master truly is so obviously I decided I should quote her ASAP when folks ignored her statement N'esy Pas?
Chantal LeBouthi 3 hours ago
"Dr. Jennifer Russell, the chief medical officer of health, would not answer directly when asked if she had advised Higgs to ban any more foreign workers.
"This is a government decision
Higgs decision?
David Amos
Higgs said "I am counting on and confident of the many people that are going to come to the plate here and say, 'I can help my local farmer, I can help my local fish processor, I can be part of the solution,'"
Dream on Higgy
David Amos
Lately I have been asking folks 3 questions when they ask me what I think about this virus nonsense.
1.Do you believe what politicians tell you?
2 Do you believe what the media tells you?
3. If I hear NO to the first two questions I then ask why buy their BS?
Rob Sense
Reply to @David Amos:
Don't believe what you post.
Don't believe what you post.
David Amos
Reply to @Rob Sense: I know you don't have enough sand to have a real name
Reply to @David Amos:
You are the last person here that i would trust knowing the difference between real and fantasy.
David Amos
Reply to @Rob Sense: Methinks your hero Higgy and his crew should trust that the RCMP can sort things out for them N'esy Pas?
David Amos
Reply to @Rob Sense: So says a Tr o ll in cyberspace who has no name or place in the real world I live in
David Amos
Methinks Higgy must have quite a headache tonight N'esy Pas?
Sarah Brown
I just listened to part of an taped interview with Dr. Russell on CBC NB where she said that if COVID 19 worsens in this prpovince, then all or some of us will need to accept the reimposition of the severe restrictions until a vaccine is avaialble ( paraphrasing). This is neithe sustainable or reaonable to expect from the residents of this province to accept this again. Living in isolation and apart from one another is not how we are meant to live our lives. There is too much authority given to a select few in this province, other provinces and the fedrall goverment to be making such significant decisions for the many without being more accountable.
David Amos
Reply to @Sarah Brown: I concur
Janice small
Ms Russell, I'm sure your pay check hasn't bounced and you have liquid cash available and I don't believe you and yours are living on Mr Trudeau's butter,milk and bread $2000.00 per month benefit . That being said you and mr Higgs have done a good job.. Thant being said PLEASE take the cuffs and shackles and ropes off our bussiness.. Just a mater of time and we will take off our restraints without you..
Then you will have a really a really problem..
David Amos
Reply to @Janice
small: Methinks your question is rhetorical because no doubt you know
as well as I that we will only hear crickets coming from Madame
Russell's corner N'esy Pas?
Dave Buote
Fear or freedom.. Looks like the choice is yours.
Bob Smith
Reply to @Dave Buote: I choose life over the bottom line.
David Amos
Reply to @Dave Buote: Freedom
David Amos
Reply to @David Amos: Just as my Yankee plates used to say "Live Free or Die"
Rob Sense
Reply to @David Amos:
Always free to leave. you seem more adapted to some places in US
Always free to leave. you seem more adapted to some places in US
David Amos
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Reply to @Rob Sense: So says a Tr o ll in cyberspace who has no name or place in the real world I live in
Reply to @Rob Sense: So says a Tr o ll in cyberspace who has no name or place in the real world I live in
David Amos
Reply to @David Amos: Methinks its interesting my reply went "Poof"after it stood for 10 hours N'esy Pas?
David Amos
Reply to @Rob Sense: Trust that lots of folks read my reply and even more will
David Amos
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Methinks I should remind Joanna Baron of my doings with her predecessor Howie Anglin and what a joke the Canadian Constitution Foundation is to me and Stevey Boy Harper N'esy Pas?
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https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/covid-19-new-brunswick-temporary-foreign-workers-1.5548331
New Brunswick bans temporary foreign workers to curb COVID-19 risk
Blueberry farmer dismayed by decision, says it could ruin his business
· CBC News · Posted: Apr 28, 2020 6:29 PM AT
Premier Blaine Higgs says the decision not to allow foreign workers was made to protect New Brunswickers during the pandemic. (Government of New Brunswick/Submitted)
The New Brunswick government will ban any new temporary foreign workers from entering the province as a way of reducing the risk of COVID-19.
Premier Blaine Higgs says an influx of more workers is too much of a health risk, and he called on New Brunswickers and foreign workers already in the province to fill vacancies in the agricultural and seafood-processing sectors.
"Under normal circumstances we welcome temporary foreign workers in our province," Higgs said Tuesday. "They play an important role in New Brunswick's continued economic growth."
But "right now the risk of allowing more people to enter the province is simply too great."
That could leave farmers like Murray Tweedie of Kouchibouguac, owner of M & S Wild Blueberry Farms, facing closure.
Blueberry farmer Murray Tweedie says the ban on temporary foreign workers could put him out of business. (Youtube)
Tweedie said 24 workers are due to arrive from Jamaica on May 4 to help prepare his fields for pollination by 700 hives of bees coming from Michigan nine days later.
"We simply do not have the time to change our course," Tweedie said. "We need these workers and we need them now. … That will leave me unable to continue our farming operation, point blank. We will be out of business."
Tweedie said some of his workers were due to arrive before now but were delayed.
With a mandatory 14-day quarantine for new arrivals in the province, the pollination timeline would be hard to achieve even if they landed now, he said.
Higgs said at his daily afternoon COVID-19 briefing that the province would work with producers like Tweedie to shift some of the 1,500 foreign workers already in the province to fill gaps at his farm and others.
Temporary foreign workers are not allowed to enter New Brunswick during the COVID-19 pandemic, premier Blaine Higgs announced Tuesday. 2:01
He said there are enough of them, and enough local workers, to do the work.
"Let's find a solution together," Higgs said. "If there was ever was a time that people were needed to step up and be part of the solution … now is the time."
'This is terrible, terrible news'
But Tweedie said the premier's suggestion is a non-starter."That does not fulfil our total need for workers," he said, explaining that the Jamaicans who have come to his farm year after year are already trained. "They know the farm. They know the equipment, and without them we are going to struggle. … This is terrible, terrible news."
Tweedie said he has been trying to hire local workers for the positions since last November and has managed to find only two people
He choked up as he described how he also needs the workers to mow fields for the 2021 season, meaning that could be ruined too.
"I'm 73 years old," he said. "I can only do so much."
Ottawa not in favour
Federal cabinet minister Dominic LeBlanc said the Trudeau government disagreed with the decision because there was already enough economic uncertainty in the agricultural and seafood sectors because of COVID-19."A decision at the last minute to destabilize the labour force that's necessary in the fish-processing plants is of concern to us," he said.
LeBlanc, whose riding includes processing plants that use foreign workers, said finding local recruits to take those jobs is a constant challenge.
"The idea that we can find local workers to replace these temporary foreign workers is not as easy as it seems."
Agricultural and seafood companies persuaded the federal government to exempt temporary foreign workers from the closure of the Canadian border last month.
Higgs said he told Deputy Prime Minister Chrystia Freeland of the decision Monday night and asked for "flexibility" to allow the shifting of foreign workers already here as needed.
"I won't apologize for protecting New Brunswickers," he said.
Asked if the three opposition party leaders on his all-party COVID-19 cabinet committee had endorsed the decision, Higgs said they had agreed on "a path forward" that included fewer foreign workers.
Green MLA Kevin Arseneau doesn't think it was 'a responsible decision' to ban temporary foreign workers. (Radio-Canada)
Green Party MLA Kevin Arseneau denounced the decision, saying the province could have helped foreign workers self-quarantine by providing hotel rooms rather than leave farmers in the lurch.
"I don't think this is in any way a responsible decision," he said.
Dr. Jennifer Russell, the chief medical officer of health, would not answer directly when asked if she had advised Higgs to ban any more foreign workers.
"This is a government decision, but in terms of highlighting risks, our borders right now are a risk."
Tweedie said his workers have already been cleared to enter Canada by the federal Department of Immigration, Refugees and Citizenship. He said the province normally has no role in approving his workers.
Prime Minister Justin Trudeau did not answer directly Tuesday when asked if provinces have the legal authority to ban temporary foreign workers.
"Provinces will have different approaches," he said. "The situation is very different across the country. The provinces will make decisions that prove to be the best within their jurisdictions."
Constitutionality questioned
But Joanna Baron, executive director of the Canadian Constitution Foundation, said Higgs's move may be unconstitutional."It's quite clear that movement of individuals between provinces is clearly a federal power," she said.
"It is not a provincial power."
The foundation is a lobby group that opposes restrictions on interprovincial trade. It helped fund the legal challenge by New Brunswicker Gerard Comeau to provincial limits on importing beer from other provinces.
Baron said the other legal problem with Higgs's move is that immigration is exclusively a federal jurisdiction.
Joanna Baron, executive director of the Canadian Constitution Foundation, questions whether the province's decision to ban temporary foreign workers is unconstitutional. (Canadian Constitution Foundation)
"I don't see how the New Brunswick premier can do through the back door what he cannot clearly do by the front door, i.e. de facto control immigration on the ground, if the federal government has deemed their entry to be lawful."
LeBlanc also questioned whether Higgs's move was constitutional, but he said given the province has adopted emergency powers during the pandemic, the federal government had accepted that the decision had been made even if it wasn't in agreement.
Tweedie said many of the 24 Jamaicans he was expecting to arrive next week have been coming to work for him for years. He said they have an "incredible work ethic."
He said he has already invested $250,000 into preparing for this year's season.
"It's a matter of, 'when do I pull the plug?'" he said.
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David Amos
Methinks Higgy and the Feds know how much I love this circus N'esy Pas?
David Amos
Reply to @David Amos:
Out of the gate methinks I should remind Joanna Baron of my doings with
her predecessor Howie Anglin and what a joke the Canadian Constitution
Foundation is to me and Stevey Boy Harper N'esy Pas?
David Amos
Reply to @David Amos: Anyone can Google "Howie Anglin David Amos" Correct?
Lou Bell
Reply to @David Amos: I imagine you're the last thing on their minds !
David Amos
Methinks much to their former leader Dominic Cardy's chagrin Murray Tweedie should ask where is his fellow blueberry farmer Jean-Maurice Landry and the NDP in his time of need N'esy Pas?
Most popular NDP candidate questions party's future after dismal election
Jean-Maurice Landry said the party ignored his ideas to support northern New Brunswick
Robert Jones · CBC News · Posted: Oct 06, 2018 8:00 AM AT
"Landry, a blueberry grower and activist, put up a scrappy fight against Liberal cabinet minister and five-term MLA Denis Landry in Bathurst East-Nepisiguit-Saint-Isidore. He finished second with 30 per cent of the vote, eating deeply into Liberal support even as the provincial NDP was melting away around him."
Marc Bourque
Good call Mr Higgs,our health is way more important !
David Amos
Reply to @Marc
Bourque: Yea Right Trust that Higgy's candidate in Fat Fred City during
the last election knows that I can tell a little story about the Green
Party Leader, blueberry farms and I before the writ was dropped.
Methinks the former Speaker Chris Collins and everybody else involved in
politicking in NB knows why whatever his French lieutenant the former
SANB President says about anything is purely comical to me N'esy Pas?
"Green Party MLA Kevin Arseneau denounced the decision, saying the province could have helped foreign workers self-quarantine by providing hotel rooms rather than leave farmers in the lurch."
"Green Party MLA Kevin Arseneau denounced the decision, saying the province could have helped foreign workers self-quarantine by providing hotel rooms rather than leave farmers in the lurch."
michael levesque
i picked tobacco when i was a teen, working on a farm is hard back breaking work. many young today cannot bring themselves to that level of work.
Tim Biddiscombe
Reply to @michael
levesque: Why would anybody want to perform "hard back breaking work"
for such low wages unless you were teen? how much tobacco is around
here anyway?
Marguerite Deschamps
Reply to @Tim
Biddiscombe: None of us liked to do this type of work. We had no choice.
When you have no other alternative, you gotta do what you gotta do. I'm
sure our veterans did not relish going to war.
John Wayne
Reply to @michael levesque: it would help if they can bring their cell phones
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Reply to @Marguerite Deschamps: Methinks you and Timmy Baby make for quite a pair N'esy Pas?
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Reply to @Tim Biddiscombe: FYI before I went to FHS with the likes of you trust that getting a job raking blueberries up behind the prison was a a dream come true for young folks in Dorchester NB in the sixties.
Reply to @Tim Biddiscombe: FYI before I went to FHS with the likes of you trust that getting a job raking blueberries up behind the prison was a a dream come true for young folks in Dorchester NB in the sixties.
David Amos
Reply to @Tim Biddiscombe: Methinks your friends in the Fat Fred City Finest were not surprised by my email today N'esy Pas?
David Amos
Reply to @Marguerite Deschamps: Oh dear another "Poof"
David Amos
Reply to @John Wayne:
Methinks the Feds on both sides of the 49th know that my cell and email
accounts still work quite well N'esy Pas?
BTW The last movie whose namesake who no doubt you are was the best he ever did
BTW The last movie whose namesake who no doubt you are was the best he ever did
David Peters
Could move to a guaranteed income plan that encourages people to get out and work for extra money.
The way it is now, too many are encouraged to not work.
Marguerite Deschamps
Reply to @David
Peters: A guaranteed income plan should have been implemented a long
time ago. It would cut a lot of red tape and unnecessary programs. It
would have worked very well during this pandemic to boot.
Mary Smith
Reply to @Marguerite
Deschamps: UBI can and should replace the CERB once this pandemic is a
bit more under control. It's much overdue, and should be the way
forward - especially needed during this pandemic.
I have a theory that because the CERB is implemented in a way that discourages work -- because that is what we actually want right now, we are essentially paying people to sit still so this pandemic doesn't spread like wildfire -- that it will evolve into a UBI once Canada sees the country wide curve flatten.
After 2 1/2 months, it will be as if those who haven't earned the $5000 income threshold, have sort of "payed into the system" by not receiving the CERB up until that point. Hopefully at that point the CERB can be tweaked, made universal, and becomes a UBI to help us get through this pandemic a stronger and more resilient country.
Tackling financial instability directly, providing a solid financial floor to all Canadians, ensuring all Canadians who need help get help, allowing those who are sick to stay home and thus get us through this pandemic faster, and we'll be ready to brace for a second wave, if it does come and chances are it will.
UBI really is the one program to replace them all. Simple. No stigma. No this group gets it and this group doesn't. Directly attacking poverty without any bloated bureaucracy. No Canadians falling through the cracks, because we're all in this together, more so now than ever before with this pandemic.
I have a theory that because the CERB is implemented in a way that discourages work -- because that is what we actually want right now, we are essentially paying people to sit still so this pandemic doesn't spread like wildfire -- that it will evolve into a UBI once Canada sees the country wide curve flatten.
After 2 1/2 months, it will be as if those who haven't earned the $5000 income threshold, have sort of "payed into the system" by not receiving the CERB up until that point. Hopefully at that point the CERB can be tweaked, made universal, and becomes a UBI to help us get through this pandemic a stronger and more resilient country.
Tackling financial instability directly, providing a solid financial floor to all Canadians, ensuring all Canadians who need help get help, allowing those who are sick to stay home and thus get us through this pandemic faster, and we'll be ready to brace for a second wave, if it does come and chances are it will.
UBI really is the one program to replace them all. Simple. No stigma. No this group gets it and this group doesn't. Directly attacking poverty without any bloated bureaucracy. No Canadians falling through the cracks, because we're all in this together, more so now than ever before with this pandemic.
Marguerite Deschamps
Reply to @Mary Smith: With high tech and robotics making many jobs redundant, one more reason to implement it!
Mary Smith
Reply to @Marguerite Deschamps: Andrew Yang! War on Normal people is all about this. https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/universal-basic-income-covid-coronavirus-pandemic-1.5536144 He has his book as a free audiobook online, check it out!
Mary Smith
Reply to @Marguerite
Deschamps: It used to be wall to wall milk maids, then wall to wall
foreign workers, now it's wall to wall milking robots.
Mary Smith
Reply to @Mary Smith:
The future is now -- and the high tech/automation wave of job loss is
coming for our jobs. This pandemic will see that wave come faster, and
hit harder, and UBI will allow us all to brace and be able to adjust to
the new economy of the 21st century.
Marguerite Deschamps
Mary, you are very well informed and a visionary and a pleasure to confer with.
David Amos
Reply to @Marguerite Deschamps: Too Too Funny
Marguerite Deschamps
Reply to @Mary Smith: Honestly though, check out that book "War on Normal People" or any long form Yang interview - he explains everything UBI related better than I could ever, but I'm trying. It's so simple but it's also complicated, because "the day before something is truly a breakthrough, it's a crazy idea" and there are a lot of questions you should have about it and how it would actually be implemented, and some ways would be better than others. The more you look into UBI, the more you just want to shout "why don't we have this already" because it seems so obvious. It's hard not to shout "UBI" as the solution to any problem you see, because it has so many wide ranging benefits and tackles so many issues. It's like trying to avoid talking about the internet nowadays, because UBI is so timely and needed it's hard not to answer with it, like how the internet has changed everything, UBI will help us enter into the next phase of capitalism: it's capitalism that doesn't start at $0.
Yang explains the need to "evolve to the next stage of capitalism, which prioritizes human well being and development" because in the 21st century economy, where automation makes us less reliant of physical labour and eliminates jobs left and right, "we never knew that capitalism was going to be eaten by its son—technology" and that we have to become both "radically capitalist and radically socialist in different aspects of [...] life and the economy".
It's a view of the future that isn't dystopian, at least - and without UBI I really fear what the world will look like.
Marguerite
Deschamps
Don't be jealous
David! You're also a pleasure to confer with given all the people in
high places who know you and have your ear ... so says you.
Marguerite
Deschamps
Reply to @Mary Smith:
We sure have to think about some solution real quick as we are headed
full speed with this massive runaway monster we humans have created
towards a concrete wall.
Mary Smith
Reply to @Marguerite
Deschamps: Shucks, thanks. It's all Andrew Yang really - but UBI is not a
new idea by any means. It's what Martin Luther King Jr. was fighting
for, and America almost had a UBI (pushed by the republicans) but the
democrats stopped it because they thought it wasn't enough. It's sort of
the Alaskan Oil Dividend - a wildly popular idea in a firmly right
leaning state - but instead of it being from Oil, the UBI could be from
technology and automation - because what's the oil of the 21st century?
It's technology, automation, and data.
Marguerite
Deschamps
Reply to @Mary Smith:
Which is why it is time to steer away from fossil fuels. Elon Musk has
got it right. He is not only selling electric cars. He is also selling
data.
Mary Smith
Reply to @Marguerite
Deschamps: He also supports Yang and UBI! Other supporters of UBI:
Obama, Elon, Zuckerberg, and many more. Zuck/facebook makes money by
selling your data, if you could get a sliver of that money to use
towards UBI, it'd be a win-win.
Mary Smith
Reply to @Marguerite
Deschamps: Ideally, Carbon Taxes/UBI would work together in ways to
incentivize people to spend their UBI on greener technologies. Most
people want to be greener: have a better insulated house, efficient heat
pump/mini split, solar panels, a more fuel efficient car, etc, - it's
just that it takes money to save money, and greener ways of living have
initial start up costs that block people from investing in that
direction.
NS has rent to own mini-splits (or at least they did at one point, I'm not sure about currently) and PEI had a solar panel rebate/grant recently. UBI could work to try to incentivize green technologies via rent to own, or grants, or some other way.
NS has rent to own mini-splits (or at least they did at one point, I'm not sure about currently) and PEI had a solar panel rebate/grant recently. UBI could work to try to incentivize green technologies via rent to own, or grants, or some other way.
Marguerite
Deschamps
Reply to @Mary Smith:
Like you stated, this UBI idea has been around for quite some time. The
Social Credit party had it in its aim. I recall talking about it with
one of my friends who was a proponent of it in the late 1970s. His take
to its opposition was that the powers that be want to be in the
spotlight every time a check is released or a ribbon is to be cut. This
explains the delay in the US's release of the rescue package so Trump's
name could be on the cheques.
David Amos
Reply to @Marguerite
Deschamps: Methinks your newfound friend TIm from FHS days in Fat Fred
City should be clever enough to understand that the last people I would
jealous of is your and strange buddies I know my old friend Ralph Carr
certainly was N'esy Pas?
David Amos
Reply to @Mary Smith:
At the risk be being redundant methinks you should seek Dominic Cardy's
old position as leader of the local NDP N'esy Pas?
David Amos
Reply to @Marguerite Deschamps: FYI My son just bought a brand new Tesla
Marguerite Deschamps
Reply to @David Amos: Kudos to your Yankee son even though you already told me he doesn't like me. But that's ok.
Marguerite Deschamps
[Tweedie said many of the 24 Jamaicans he was expecting to arrive next week have been coming to work for him for years. He said they have an "incredible work ethic."]
Being a baby boomer, I feel for this Mr. Tweedie. The locals no longer want to do these jobs. Times have changed, we are not longer in the 1950s-60s-70s. I can clearly see from where Mr. Tweedie is coming. He doesn't want so-called workers on his farm dragging their boots. Higgs is not only way out in left field on this issue; he's not even in the ballpark.
Mary Smith
Reply to @Marguerite
Deschamps: they should really try to scoop up the tree planters in NB
who normally go out West, but who are opting to stay in NB because it's
not that safe to travel right now. It could be a really good source of
workers.
Marguerite Deschamps
Reply to @Mary Smith:
New Brunswickers used to be tree planters in the 1970-80s to reforest
after the clear-cuttings. They were paid by the number of trees they
planted. I wonder how many are prepared to do this type of work today.
Dunstable
Kolbe
Reply to @Marguerite Deschamps: We shouldn’t underestimate ourselves.
Marguerite Deschamps
Reply to @Dunstable
Kolbe: I agree. In the first few days, it's tough, but we toughen up and
are good to go after that, just like training to get in shape.
Christine Martinez
Reply to @Marguerite
Deschamps: Am I really that out of touch when I say there are enough
people in the province currently out of work that they'd be happy to
find something? Students? In Maine if you're good at it you can make 12K
(USD) in a 4 week period. If you have people turning their noses up at
that I'd suggest your recruitment tactics are in need of revision.
And besides, when I was young we had to walk 8 miles to school every day, uphill both ways. And we watched our favorite tv shows when the network told us to. And we only had rotary dial phones.
And we liked it that way.
And besides, when I was young we had to walk 8 miles to school every day, uphill both ways. And we watched our favorite tv shows when the network told us to. And we
And we liked it that way.
Mary Smith
Reply to @Marguerite
Deschamps: My brother does this out West but lives in NB, and there's a
bunch of local East Coasters who all travel out there together. But
this year, another friend told me that at least half have opted out this
year because it's not safe to travel and go into deep isolation right
now in crowded camps. But, maybe they could work on these farms in a
safer way.
I've been throwing out the idea to locals here that if you have a family member who works in a hospital and afraid of spreading it to their family, or if they have a family member that needs to isolate but can't really in the household, they could always use an RV.
Maybe using an RV to house locals, so they're not all housed together in close quarters, could prove helpful? Lots of people have RV's, and they aren't going to get much use this time of year. Just a thought, it could be helpful in some case
I've been throwing out the idea to locals here that if you have a family member who works in a hospital and afraid of spreading it to their family, or if they have a family member that needs to isolate but can't really in the household, they could always use an RV.
Maybe using an RV to house locals, so they're not all housed together in close quarters, could prove helpful? Lots of people have RV's, and they aren't going to get much use this time of year. Just a thought, it could be helpful in some case
Mary Smith
Reply to @Mary Smith:
I think out West is just where all the money is. East Coasters are
sort of their TFW's because they can make way more there than here.
Mary Smith
Reply to @Mary Smith:
but also, I really do hope those farmers can indeed bring in some of
their regular workers who are familiar with their operations. Hopefully
they can isolate in their countries, come here, then isolate again at a
hotel or in housing if it's possible (maybe in RV's?). Everyone is
safe and well, farmers can still farm, and locals can help fill in the
gaps.
Marguerite Deschamps
Reply to @Christine Martinez: First Nations used to go each summer in Maine to pick blueberries
David Amos
Reply to @Marguerite Deschamps: Methinks you are sounding just like the dude you are this evening N'esy Pas?
Marguerite Deschamps
Reply to @David Amos: ♫ dude da ♫ dude da ♫
Marguerite Deschamps
Reply to @David Amos: I'm not trying to convince you of anything. You can chalk me up as neuter for all i care.
Nicolas Krinis
Sorry, in a state of emergency, the province has powers that permit this sort of things. Unless they are quarantined for 14 days like the rest of us, they shouldn't be allowed to work here.
Marguerite Deschamps
Reply to @David Amos: ♫ dude da ♫ dude da ♫
Marguerite Deschamps
Reply to @David Amos:
You didn't know that it was mainly women who were tree planters in New
Nouveau-Brunswick in the 1970s, now did you?
David Amos
Reply to @Marguerite
Deschamps: Methinks many would agree that you are doing a poor job of
trying to convince me that you are a lady N'esy Pas?
Marguerite Deschamps
Reply to @David Amos: I'm not trying to convince you of anything. You can chalk me up as neuter for all i care.
Nicolas Krinis
Sorry, in a state of emergency, the province has powers that permit this sort of things. Unless they are quarantined for 14 days like the rest of us, they shouldn't be allowed to work here.
Chantal LeBouthi
Reply to @Nicolas Krinis:
Higgs already about 1500 hundred of them
Higgs already about 1500 hundred of them
Jim Cyr
Reply to @Chantal LeBouthi: Should be enough then, n'est ce pas??
David Amos
Reply to @Jim Cyr: Methinks Canadian folks got the governments they deserve just like the Yankees did N'esy Pas?
David Amos
Methinks Higgy et al must have read my latest email by now N'esy Pas?
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New Brunswick bans temporary foreign workers to curb COVID-19 risk
Blueberry farmer dismayed by decision, says it could ruin his business
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David Amos
Methinks Higgy and the Feds know how much I love this circus N'esy Pas?
David Amos
Reply to @David Amos: Out of the gate methinks I should remind Joanna
Baron of my doings with her predecessor Howie Anglin and what a joke
the Canadian Constitution Foundation is to me and Stevey Boy Harper
N'esy Pas?
David Amos
Reply to @David Amos: Anyone can Google "Howie Anglin David Amos" Correct?
Lou Bell
Reply to @David Amos: I imagine you're the last thing on their minds !
David Amos
Methinks much to their former leader Dominic Cardy's chagrin Murray
Tweedie should ask where is his fellow blueberry farmer Jean-Maurice
Landry and the NDP in his time of need N'esy Pas?
Most popular NDP candidate questions party's future after dismal election
Jean-Maurice Landry said the party ignored his ideas to support
northern New Brunswick
Robert Jones · CBC News · Posted: Oct 06, 2018 8:00 AM AT
"Landry, a blueberry grower and activist, put up a scrappy fight
against Liberal cabinet minister and five-term MLA Denis Landry in
Bathurst East-Nepisiguit-Saint-Isidore. He finished second with 30 per
cent of the vote, eating deeply into Liberal support even as the
provincial NDP was melting away around him."
Marc Bourque
Good call Mr Higgs,our health is way more important !
David Amos
Reply to @Marc Bourque: Yea Right Trust that Higgy's candidate in Fat
Fred City during the last election knows that I can tell a little
story about the Green Party Leader, blueberry farms and I before the
writ was dropped. Methinks the former Speaker Chris Collins and
everybody else involved in politicking in NB knows why whatever his
French lieutenant the former SANB President says about anything is
purely comical to me N'esy Pas?
"Green Party MLA Kevin Arseneau denounced the decision, saying the
province could have helped foreign workers self-quarantine by
providing hotel rooms rather than leave farmers in the lurch."
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Jim Rutkowksi, principal secretary to former Premier Rachel Notley,
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Anglin is paid the same amount as Kenney's chief of staff, Jamie
Huckabay, whose salary is slightly less than the $225,000 paid to
Nathan Rotman, Notley's former chief of staff. John Heaney, who
preceded Rotman as Notley's chief of staff, was paid $294,977.
David Knight Legg, Kenney's principal advisor, earns $194,253.
Matt Wolf, the executive director of issues management, is paid the
same salary as Legg, $194,253 a year.
All but two of the ministerial chiefs of staff under the NDP were paid
$120,000 a year. (Energy chief of staff Matt Williamson earned
$125,000. The contract for Heather Mack indicates she was paid
$150,000 as infrastructure chief of staff).
The UCP appears to have three bands for paying chiefs of staff. The
highest band of $139,463 is paid to nine of the 22 chiefs of staff.
They mostly head up the larger ministries such as health and
education.
Two chiefs of staff are paid in a middle range of $129,501 and the
remaining 11 earn $119,540.
The list discloses the contracts for senior political staff, including
members of Kenney's office, chiefs of staff to ministers and senior
communications staff.
The NDP government posted the salaries of press secretaries to cabinet
ministers, as well as office staffers who were political appointments.
The UCP is following the Government of Alberta sunshine lists
guidelines and is only posting the contracts of staffers making more
than $111,395.
NDP deputy leader Sarah Hoffman said that helps the government blur
the lines on how much they are actually spending.
"They're saying they're not spending as much on salaries but they're
not even showing us all of their actual contracts," she said.
Hoffman said any political staff member who was hired by the previous
NDP government, regardless of how much they earned, was told their
contracts would be posted online.
CBC's Journalistic Standards and Practices|
---------- Original message ----------
From: Howard Anglin <hanglin@theccf.ca>
Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2018 13:27:33 -0600
Subject: Re: YO Howie Anglin I sue lawyers too Remember?
To: David Amos <motomaniac333@gmail.com>
I have no idea what you are talking about. Please unsubscribe me from your
wacko newsletter.
On Fri, Aug 17, 2018 at 1:56 PM, David Amos <motomaniac333@gmail.com> wrote:
> However Google assisted me in putting your latest insult at the top of my
> blog
>
> http://davidraymondamos3.
> auditors-polled-say-canadas.
>
>
> Say Hey to Harper and Novak for me will ya? I am taking the weeknd off
> before the writ is dropped in New Brunswick methinks I will talk about
> the boys in short pants in Harper PMO much to your chagrin and that of
> Blaine Higgs and his turncoat buddies Dominic Cardy and Kelly Lamrock
> N'esy Pas?
>
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Joanna has been the National Director of the Runnymede Society for the
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A native of Toronto, Joanna studied classical liberal arts at St.
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clerkship, Joanna worked in barrister’s chambers in London, UK as a
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practiced criminal defence law with the late Edward L. Greenspan,
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---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Howard Anglin <hanglin@theccf.ca>
Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2018 12:08:36 -0600
Subject: Re: ATTN Edward Gillis I called again to try to speak to you
about the CRA auditors, the CBC and the PIPSC but was directed to a Mr
Campbell's voicemail
To: David Amos <motomaniac333@gmail.com>
Please remove me from this list. I have no idea who you are or what you are
on about.
On Fri, Aug 17, 2018 at 12:07 PM, David Amos <motomaniac333@gmail.com>
wrote:
> Message blocked
> Your message to Gerald.Butts@pmo-cpm.gc.ca has been blocked. See
> technical details below for more information.
> LEARN MORE
>
>
> On 8/17/18, David Amos <motomaniac333@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Need I say that Minister Diane Lebouthillier and Bill Morneau know
> > that the greedy people within the CRA and the CBC can cry me river for
> > all I care now?
> >
> > http://www.cbc.ca/news/
> >
> > Most CRA auditors polled say Canada's tax system is skewed to protect
> > the wealthy
> >
> >
> > A new survey of more than 1,700 tax professionals at CRA suggests
> > agency lacks tools to make the rich pay
> > Dean Beeby · CBC News · Posted: Aug 17, 2018 4:00 AM ET
> >
> > Trust that I alread had a pit and chew with the greedy UTE dudes
> >
> > Your media people find this email published within my blog ASAP
> >
> > http://davidraymondamos3.
> auditors-polled-say-canadas.
> >
> > Edward Gillis
> > Chief Operating Officer & Executive Secretary
> > Telephone : (613)228-6310 / 1(800)267-0446 ext: 5005
> > E-mail : egillis@pipsc.ca
> > Ryan Campbell Economist
> > Telephone : (613)228-6310 / 1(800)267-0446 ext: 4732
> > E-mail : rcampbell@pipsc.ca
> >
> > 250 Tremblay Road
> > Ottawa, ON K1G 3J8
> >
> >
> > Paul Hartigan
> > Manager, Atlantic Region
> >
> > Portfolio :
> >
> > Agriculture and Agri-Food Canada (AAFC)
> > Canada Revenue Agency (CRA)
> > Correctional Service Canada (CSC)
> > Employment and Social Development Canada
> > Library and Archives Canada (LAC)
> > National Energy Board (NEB)
> > National Research Council
> > New-Brunswick Groups: Agriculture (AG) - Engineering, Land Surveying
> > and Architectures (EN) - Veterinary (VS)
> > Patented Medicine Prices Review Board (PMPRB)
> > Public Safety Canada (PSC)
> >
> > Suite 200
> > 1718 Argyle St
> > Halifax, NS B3J 3N6
> >
> > Telephone : (902)420-1519 / 1-800-565-0727 ext: 3522
> > E-mail : phartigan@pipsc.ca
> >
> > https://www.ute-sei.org/en/
> >
> > We’re the Union of Taxation Employees (UTE), representing more than
> > 25,000 employees of Canada Revenue Agency. We exist to maintain and
> > advance the workplace rights of our members – a big task in today’s
> > federal public service!
> >
> > It’s a job we take very seriously. The UTE believes in fostering a
> > constructive relationship with Agency management. But, we’re
> > aggressive in protecting our members’ interests – from the office
> > floor to Parliament Hill.
> >
> > As a progressive, innovative union, our vision extends into the
> > future. At the same time, our roots go back more than half a century.
> > In 1943, employees working for the then Taxation Department first
> > organized themselves into the Dominion Income Tax Staff Association.
> > Then, as now, federal workers recognized that unionizing is the best
> > insurance policy against unfair and unreasonable employer actions.
> >
> > In 1966, with the advent of free collective bargaining in the federal
> > public service, the UTE joined the Public Service Alliance of Canada
> > (PSAC) as the “Taxation Component”. Our 1987 convention voted to
> > adopt our current name. With the passage of the CCRA Act, we moved
> > from a department of the federal public service to an agency. This
> > Agency was proclaimed on November 1, 1999. On December 12, 2003, the
> > Canada Customs and Revenue Agency (CCRA) became the Canada Revenue
> > Agency (CRA).
> >
> > UTE members work in such areas as Taxpayer Services, Debt Management,
> > Audit, Finance and Administration, Human Resources, Information
> > Technology (IT), Compensation, Enforcement, Appeals, and the
> > Legislative Policy and Regulatory Affairs Branch (LPRAB). They fall
> > into either the SP or the MG Classifications.
> >
> > These groups are covered under one collective agreement (the Program
> > and Administration Services agreement).
> >
> >
> > Marc was elected National President for the Union of Taxation
> > Employees at the July 2017 Triennial Convention in Ottawa.
> > Union Involvement
> >
> > Since 2004, Marc has been actively involved with the union in various
> > capacities. He was the Treasurer of Local 10028 in Laval from June
> > 2004 until his election as President of the same Local in May 2007.
> > Marc was reelected to this position by acclamation in 2009 and 2011.
> > As of July 2011, he was also elected as the Alternate RVP for the
> > Montreal Region. Marc was elected 1st National Vice-President for the
> > Union of Taxation Employees in July 2012 and re-elected at the July
> > 2014 Triennial Convention in Windsor.
> >
> > Email: marcbriere@ute-sei.org
> > Telephone: (613) 235-6704 x228
> > Cellphone: (613) 882-6287
> >
> >
> > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> > From: David Amos <motomaniac333@gmail.com>
> > Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2018 12:25:18 -0400
> > Subject: Methinks somebody should talk the CRA AGENTS Steve 0673ONT
> > Colleen 204802PAC ASAP N'esy Pas?
> > To: "Diane.Lebouthillier" <Diane.Lebouthillier@cra-arc.
> > "Brenda.Lucki" <Brenda.Lucki@rcmp-grc.gc.ca>, "Pat.Kelly"
> > < Pat.Kelly@parl.gc.ca>, "Murray.Rankin" <Murray.Rankin@parl.gc.ca>
> > Cc: David Amos <david.raymond.amos@gmail.com>
> >
> > https://www.linkedin.com/in/
> >
> >
> > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> > From: David Amos <motomaniac333@gmail.com>
> > Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2018 13:19:04 -0400
> > Subject: Fwd: I called again to try to speak to the Tax Ombudsman Paul
> > Dube and quickly was informed that he no longer works there and there
> > is no replacement yet
> > To: mcu <mcu@justice.gc.ca>, Sherra.Profit@oto-boc.gc.ca,
> > "andrew.scheer" <andrew.scheer@parl.gc.ca>,
> > Claude.Dubois@oto-boc.gc.ca
> > Cc: David Amos <david.raymond.amos@gmail.com>
> > < Michael.Wernick@pco-bcp.gc.ca
> > < Michael.Duheme@rcmp-grc.gc.ca
> >
> > https://www.canada.ca/en/
> ombudsmanreleasesherofficesnew
> >
> > Media relations - Office of the Taxpayers’ Ombudsman
> > 613-946-2974
> >
> > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> > From: David Amos <motomaniac333@gmail.com>
> > Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2016 13:16:09 -0400
> > Subject: Fwd: I called again to try to speak to the Tax Ombudsman Paul
> > Dube and quickly was informed that he no longer works there and there
> > is no replacement yet
> > To: mcu <mcu@justice.gc.ca>, Sherra.Profit@oto-boc.gc.ca
> > Cc: David Amos <david.raymond.amos@gmail.com>
> >
> > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> > From: David Amos <motomaniac333@gmail.com>
> > Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2015 15:27:35 -0400
> > Subject: Fwd: I called again to try to speak to the Tax Ombudsman Paul
> > Dube and quickly was informed that he no longer works there and there
> > is no replacement yet
> > To: Sherra.Profit@oto-boc.gc.ca
> > Cc: David Amos <david.raymond.amos@gmail.com>
> >
> > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> > From: David Amos <motomaniac333@gmail.com>
> > Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2015 12:16:15 -0700
> > Subject: I called again to try to speak to the Tax Ombudsman Paul Dube
> > and quickly was informed that he no longer works there and there is no
> > replacement yet
> > To: Linda.Desrochers@
> > pierre.poilievre.a1@parl.gc.ca
> > janet.campbell@pch.gc.ca, fraser.patricia@psic-ispc.gc.
> > pierre.poilievre@hrsdc-rhdcc.
> > < steven.blaney.a1@parl.gc.ca>, media@hrsdc-rhdcc.gc.ca, "peter.mackay"
> > < peter.mackay@justice.gc.ca>, Laurent.Marcoux@pco-bcp.gc.ca,
> > Louise.Levonian@hrsdc-rhdcc.
> > < dan.bussieres@gnb.ca>, "danny.copp" <danny.copp@fredericton.ca>,
> > "roger.l.brown" <roger.l.brown@rcmp-grc.gc.ca>
> > Cc: David Amos <david.raymond.amos@gmail.com>
> > < sean@canadalandshow.com>, Newsroom <Newsroom@globeandmail.com>,
> > "macpherson.don" <macpherson.don@dailygleaner.
> >
> > http://www.oto-boc.gc.ca/
> >
> > https://quinte.cioc.ca/record/
> >
> > Linda Desrochers, Taxpayers' Ombudsman
> >
> >>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> >>>> From: David Amos <david.raymond.amos@gmail.com>
> >>>> Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 13:15:12 -0400
> >>>> Subject: I called again to try to speak to the tax Ombudsman Paul
> >>>> Dube
> >>>> and many others. Need I say that I was not surprised that nobody
> >>>> called me back to talk to me?
> >>>> To: pm@pm.gc.ca, Mackay.P@forces.gc.ca,
> >>>> Paul.Dube@taxpayersrights.gc.
> >>>> roxanne.daoust@
> >>>> blackj1b@parl.gc.ca, ministerofstate@acoa-aperca.
> >>>> L.Cannon@international.gc.ca, Stockwell.Day@international.
> >>>> jhii@lghc-lgcc.gc.ca, Minister@cic.gc.ca,
> >>>> Peter.Kent@international.gc.ca
> >>>> Jim.Prentice@ec.gc.ca, Minister@ainc-inac.gc.ca,
> >>>> gregory.thompson@vac-acc.gc.ca
> >>>> Barry
> >>>> Winters <sunrayzulu@shaw.ca>, dean Ray <deanr0032@hotmail.com>
> >>>> Cc: Washington-im-enquiry@
> >>>> classactioncra@gmail.com, minfam@leg.gov.mb.ca,
> >>>> kevin.lamoureux@leg.gov.mb.ca, premier@leg.gov.mb.ca,
> >>>> jon.gerrard@leg.gov.mb.ca, mc.blais@pcnb.org, ndpnpd@nbnet.nb.ca,
> >>>> communications@
> >>>>
> >>>> Gordon O'Conner who appointed a lawyer from New Brunswick to be the
> >>>> Tax Ombudsmancan ask his former underlings such as legions of taxmen
> >>>> or Keith Ashfield, Pat Lynch, Greg Thompson, Brent Babcock or better
> >>>> the very evil lawyer Ward Elcock explain my troubles with corrupt
> >>>> taxmen and their many cohorts to the shy Ombudsman before we meet
> >>>> in a
> >>>> Federal Court. Nobody should deny that the former Governor General
> >>>> suggested that I take my concerns to court over five years ago.
> >>>> Perhaps O'Conner's purported fellow exmilitary man "Barry Winters"
> >>>> aka
> >>>> baconfat53.blogspot.com will continue with his obvious malice in an
> >>>> effort explain to the world why my concerns about lawsuits against
> >>>> the
> >>>> CROWN have no merit whatsoever. Cybersace has lots of room for many
> >>>> agruments but the PMO and the PCO offices should agree that the
> >>>> proper
> >>>> veneue for important arguments involving taxation and the CRIOWN is
> >>>> the Federal Court in Fredericton New Brunswick. Whereas Paul Dube
> >>>> and
> >>>> his help wish to play dumb about the accountibilty of the CRA etc
> >>>> since he moved to Ottawa with the rest of the federal boyz he can
> >>>> send
> >>>> lawyers to New Brunswick to argue me about my right to no false
> >>>> imprisonment etc.
> >>>>
> >>>> Need I repeat myself to explain why this Youtube channel of Dean
> >>>> Roger
> >>>> Ray and the blog of his associate in Alberta "Barry Winters " in
> >>>> particular offend my family the most and will cause the CROWN to
> >>>> pagreat y out a deal of money in the form of releif for its willful
> >>>> support of such obvious malice or my name ain't "Just Dave"?
> >>>>
> >>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?
> >>>>
> >>>> http://baconfat53.blogspot.
> >>>>
> >>>> Veritas Vincit
> >>>> David Raymond Amos
> >>>>
> >
> >
> > On 2/20/15, David Amos <motomaniac333@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> The one pdf file hereto attached speaks volumes in only ONE Official
> >> Language
> >>
> >> As you all know I am still a Canadian citizen who has every right to
> >> file many lawsuits to seek relief and compensation. Even though I have
> >> no SIN # or fixed address the RCMP and CSIS always know where to find
> >> me in order to harass me
> >> and the PMO and the PCO offices etc have had many of my documents for
> >> manny many years Correct?
> >>
> >> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> >> From: David Amos <motomaniac333@gmail.com>
> >> Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2015 10:12:45 -0700
> >> Subject: Attn Jeffrey Brennan I just called and spoke to you as I said
> >> I have had enough harassment by the RCMP and their cohorts If the
> >> Canadian government wishes to settle with me outside of court now
> >> would be the time
> >> To: Jeffrey.Brennan@pmo.gc.ca
> >> Cc: David Amos <david.raymond.amos@gmail.com>
> >> < bob.paulson@rcmp-grc.gc.ca>, "peter.mackay"
> >> < peter.mackay@justice.gc.ca>
> >>
> >> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> >> From: Info <info@ndp.ca>
> >> Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2015 16:55:22 +0000
> >> Subject: Automatic reply: Re Worldwide Public Corruption BTW Methinks
> >> this is the real reason Johnny "Never Been Good" Baird suddenly bailed
> >> on his boss Harper
> >> To: David Amos <motomaniac333@gmail.com>
> >>
> >> *Le français suit*
> >>
> >> Hello,
> >>
> >> Thank you for sending your inquiry to Canada’s NDP.
> >>
> >> We will reply to your email as soon as possible. If you have
> >> previously left a voicemail message – please be assured your call will
> >> be addressed. We are working to respond to each message as quickly as
> >> possible.
> >>
> >> Thank you for your patience during this busy – but exciting – time.
> >>
> >> Have a nice day,
> >>
> >> Canada’s New Democrats
> >> ______________________________
> >>
> >> 300-279 Laurier West/Ouest Ottawa, ON K1P 5J9
> >> (TÉL) 866.525.2555 | (TÉLÉC/FAX) 613.230.9950
> >> ndp.ca | npd.ca
> >> Cope 225:js
> >>
> >> ------------------------------
> >>
> >> Bonjour/Bonsoir,
> >>
> >> Merci de votre courriel.
> >>
> >> Nous répondrons à votre courrier électronique dès que possible. Si
> >> vous nous avez déjà laissé un message vocal, s'il vous plaît soyez
> >> assuré que nous vous retournerons l’appel. Nous travaillons afin de
> >> pouvoir répondre à chaque message vocal et courrier électronique aussi
> >> vite que possible.
> >>
> >> Nous vous remercions de faire preuve de patience au cours de cette
> >> période occupée mais fort passionnante.
> >>
> >> Bonne journée,
> >>
> >> Le NPD du Canada
> >> ______________________________
> >>
> >> 300-279 Laurier West/Ouest Ottawa, ON K1P 5J9
> >> (TÉL) 866.525.2555 | (TÉLÉC/FAX) 613.230.9950
> >> ndp.ca | npd.ca
> >> Cope 225:js
> >>
> >> Just Dave
> >> By Location Visit Detail
> >> Visit 21,977
> >> Domain Name gc.ca ? (Canada)
> >> IP Address 198.103.111.# (Privy Council Office)
> >> ISP GTIS
> >> Location
> >> Continent : North America
> >> Country : Canada (Facts)
> >> State/Region : Ontario
> >> City : Ottawa
> >> Lat/Long : 45.4167, -75.7 (Map)
> >> Language English (Canada)
> >> en-ca
> >> Operating System Microsoft WinXP
> >> Browser Internet Explorer 8.0
> >> Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 8.0; Windows NT 5.1; Trident/4.0;
> >> GTB7.5; .NET CLR 2.0.50727; .NET CLR 3.0.04506.648; .NET CLR
> >> 3.5.21022; .NET CLR 3.0.4506.2152; .NET CLR 3.5.30729; .NET4.0C;
> >> .NET4.0E)
> >> Javascript version 1.3
> >> Monitor
> >> Resolution : 1440 x 900
> >> Color Depth : 16 bits
> >> Time of Visit Feb 5 2015 1:12:14 pm
> >> Last Page View Feb 5 2015 1:12:14 pm
> >> Visit Length 0 seconds
> >> Page Views 1
> >> Referring URL http://www.google.ca...
> >> Visit Entry Page http://davidamos.blogspot.ca/
> >> Visit Exit Page http://davidamos.blogspot.ca/
> >> Out Click
> >> Time Zone UTC-5:00
> >> Visitor's Time Feb 5 2015 12:12:14 pm
> >> Visit Number 21,977
> >>
> >>
> >> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> >> From: David Amos <motomaniac333@gmail.com>
> >> Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2015 09:54:33 -0700
> >> Subject: Re Worldwide Public Corruption BTW Methinks this is the real
> >> reason Johnny "Never Been Good" Baird suddenly bailed on his boss
> >> Harper
> >> To: Daniel.Nadeau@priv.gc.ca, fraser.patricia@psic-ispc.gc.
> >> ian.fine@chrc-ccdp.ca, Craig.MacMillan@rcmp-grc.gc.ca
> >> mdoucet@pco-bcp.gc.ca, sue.greaves@cse-cst.gc.ca,
> >> bobby.matheson@ps-sp.gc.ca, Gregory.Gauthier@fin.gc.ca,
> >> louis-philippe.rouillard@
> >> marie-josee.thivierge@justice.
> >> Barbara.Carswell@
> >> < oig@sec.gov>, "dean.buzza" <dean.buzza@rcmp-grc.gc.ca>,
> >> "joe.oliver.a1" <joe.oliver.a1@parl.gc.ca>,
> >> NYAG.Pressoffice@ag.ny.gov, "ed.pilkington"
> >> < ed.pilkington@guardian.co.uk>
> >> < Newsroom@globeandmail.com>, bbachrach <bbachrach@bachrachlaw.net>,
> >> "Terry.Milewski" <Terry.Milewski@cbc.ca>, "paul.dewar.a1"
> >> < paul.dewar.a1@parl.gc.ca>, coleen@coleenrowley.com, "Drew.Barnes"
> >> < Drew.Barnes@assembly.ab.ca>, premier <premier@gov.ab.ca>, oig
> >> < oig@ftc.gov>, bairdj <bairdj@parl.gc.ca>, "hugh.flemming"
> >> < hugh.flemming@gnb.ca>, premier <premier@gnb.ca>, "Wayne.Gallant"
> >> < Wayne.Gallant@rcmp-grc.gc.ca>
> >> < George.Soros@
> >> < george.osborne.mp@parliament.
> >> Cc: David Amos <david.raymond.amos@gmail.com>
> >> < Lampron.Raynald@psic-ispc.gc.
> >> < Friday.Joe@psic-ispc.gc.ca>, eric.schneiderman@ag.ny.gov,
> >> public.integrity@ag.ny.gov, "justin.trudeau.a1"
> >> < justin.trudeau.a1@parl.gc.ca>
> >> < thomas.mulcair.a1@parl.gc.ca>
> >> < Thomas.Lawson@forces.gc.ca>, dnd_mdn <dnd_mdn@forces.gc.ca>
> >>
> >> http://www.tbs-sct.gc.ca/ve/
> >>
> >> To put it simply too many people around the world read this blog
> >> recently and started checking my work. Nobody dares to deny that the
> >> PCO did acknowledge the email in 2013 and the various sitemeters tell
> >> a very interesting tale to say the least Correct Daniel Nadeau?.
> >>
> >> http://thedavidamosrant.
> greenwald-and-brazilian.html
> >>
> >> That NOBODY should forget your boss" Mario Dion's last email to me
> >> before he quit EH Raynald Lampron and Joe Friday?
> >>
> >> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> >> From: Mario Dion <Dion.Mario@psic-ispc.gc.ca>
> >> Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2014 06:05:25 -0500
> >> Subject: Re: Fwd: Yo Mario Dion it been over a year since your last
> >> response and 7 years since I talked to the evil lawyer Manon Hardy so
> >> tell me another one will ya?
> >> To: "motomaniac333@gmail.com" <motomaniac333@gmail.com>,
> >> "manon.hardy@chrc-ccdp.ca" <manon.hardy@chrc-ccdp.ca>,
> >> "Clemet1@parl.gc.ca" <Clemet1@parl.gc.ca>,
> >> "Errington.john@forces.gc.ca" <Errington.john@forces.gc.ca>,
> >> "Christine.Salt@forces.gc.ca" <Christine.Salt@forces.gc.ca>,
> >> "Mackap@parl.gc.ca" <Mackap@parl.gc.ca>, "bourdap@halifax.ca"
> >> < bourdap@halifax.ca>, "Helen.Banulescu@crcc-ccetp.
> >> < Helen.Banulescu@crcc-ccetp.
> >> < Lachapelle.Edith@psic-ispc.
> >> < peter.dauphinee@gmail.com>, "upriverwatch@gmail.com"
> >> < upriverwatch@gmail.com>, "donald.bowser@smu.ca"
> >> < donald.bowser@smu.ca>, "kedgwickriver@gmail.com"
> >> < kedgwickriver@gmail.com>, "oldmaison@yahoo.com"
> >> < oldmaison@yahoo.com>, "COCMoncton@gmail.com" <COCMoncton@gmail.com>,
> >> "Davidc.Coon@gmail.com" <Davidc.Coon@gmail.com>,
> >> "stephen.horsman@nbliberal.ca" <stephen.horsman@nbliberal.ca>
> >> "forest@conservationcouncil.ca
> >> "water@ccnbaction.ca" <water@ccnbaction.ca>
> >> Cc: "david.raymond.amos@gmail.com" <david.raymond.amos@gmail.com>
> >> Raynald Lampron <Lampron.Raynald@psic-ispc.gc.
> >> < Friday.Joe@psic-ispc.gc.ca>
> >>
> >> I will ask my staff to verify your status and someone will get back to
> >> you. I would appreciate it however if you could be a little bit more
> >> polite when drafting emails adressed to me.
> >>
> >>
> >> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> >> From: David Amos <motomaniac333@gmail.com>
> >> Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2015 03:42:28 -0700
> >> Subject: It appears that I must thank Ray Novak's computer for showing
> >> a little INTEGRITY I have not had a response from Harper's office
> >> since election time in 2005
> >> To: Jeffrey.Brennan@pmo.gc.ca, ed.fast@parl.gc.ca, ed@edfast.ca,
> >> rick.roth@international.gc.ca, gary.dyck@edmonton.ca, "Anne.Jarman"
> >> < Anne.Jarman@edmonton.ca>, "don.marshall" <don.marshall@edmonton.ca>,
> >> "don.iveson" <don.iveson@edmonton.ca>, "scott.mckeen"
> >> < scott.mckeen@edmonton.ca>, "ben.henderson"
> >> < ben.henderson@edmonton.ca>, "rod.knecht"
> >> < rod.knecht@edmontonpolice.ca>
> >> < Marianne.Ryan@rcmp-grc.gc.ca>
> >> "David.Swann" <David.Swann@assembly.ab.ca>, "Laurie.Blakeman"
> >> < Laurie.Blakeman@assembly.ab.
> >> g.smith@aupe.org, renouf <renouf@renouflaw.com>, campaign
> >> < campaign@randyboissonnault.ca
> >> < graham.hicks@hicksbiz.com>, "geoff.crowe"
> >> < geoff.crowe@edmontonpolice.ca
> >> < oldmaison@yahoo.com>, premier <premier@gov.bc.ca>, premier
> >> < premier@gnb.ca>, premier <premier@leg.gov.mb.ca>, PREMIER
> >> < PREMIER@gov.ns.ca>, Karine Fortin <info@ndp.ca>, "info@pco-bcp.gc.ca"
> >> < info@pco-bcp.gc.ca>, deepak.chopra@canadapost.ca,
> >> bonnie.boretsky@canadapost.ca, jag.sumra@canadapost.ca,
> >> dlemelin@cupw-sttp.org, NAT-PRES@psac-afpc.com,
> >> NATEXEC-VP@psac-afpc.com, meranis@psac-afpc.com,
> >> NH01FGIMA@mail.house.gov
> >> Cc: David Amos <david.raymond.amos@gmail.com>
> >> < victor.boudreau@gnb.ca>, pm <pm@pm.gc.ca>, bairdj
> >> < bairdj@parl.gc.ca>, "Alan.Kessel" <Alan.Kessel@lnternational.gc.
> >> "Rob.Merrifield" <Rob.Merrifield@gov.ab.ca>, "peter.mackay"
> >> < peter.mackay@justice.gc.ca>, winston.fogarty@lnternational.
> >> Ray.Novak@pmo-cpm.gc.ca, marjory.l.eBreton@sen.parl.gc.
> >> "Drew.Barnes" <Drew.Barnes@assembly.ab.ca>, kilgoursite@ca.inter.net,
> >> sunrayzulu <sunrayzulu@shaw.ca>, "joshua.skurnik"
> >> < joshua.skurnik@hotmail.com>, lgunter <lgunter@shaw.ca>
> >>
> >> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> >> From: "Novak, Ray" <Ray.Novak@pmo-cpm.gc.ca>
> >> Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2015 05:34:45 -0500
> >> Subject: Out of Office AutoReply: Methinks Mayor Iveson should have a
> >> long talk with Ben Henderson His grumpy wifey Laurie.Blakeman, Jimmy
> >> Prentice, Stevey Boy Harper, a few lawyers and cops should talk about
> >> what they should have done about YOU long ago EH Mr Baconfat?
> >> To: David Amos <motomaniac333@gmail.com>
> >>
> >> Thank you for your email.
> >>
> >> If your matter is urgent, please contact Jeff Brennan at 613.992.4211
> >> or Jeffrey.Brennan@pmo.gc.ca.
> >>
> >> Sincerely,
> >>
> >> Ray Novak
> >> Office of the Prime Minister
> >>
> >> *****
> >> Je vous remercie de votre courriel.
> >>
> >> S'il s'agit d'une urgence, veuillez communiquer avec Jeff Brennan, au
> >> 613-992-4211 ou à l'adresse Jeffrey.Brennan@pmo.gc.ca.
> >>
> >> Sincères salutations,
> >>
> >> Ray Novak
> >> Cabinet du Premier ministre
> >>
> >>
> >>
>
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