Thursday, 12 September 2024

Election is a dilemma for anti-Higgs PC members

 

Election is a dilemma for anti-Higgs PC members

Some unhappy Tories return to the fold, while others plan to sit out campaign

It's decision time for the Progressive Conservatives in New Brunswick who were hoping to replace Blaine Higgs as leader this time last year.

With the start of the provincial election campaign less than two weeks away, the unhappy PC members must make up their minds on whether to support their party despite their dislike of its leader.

Former PC cabinet minister Jean-Pierre Ouellet, now the mayor of Haut-Madawaska, said despite his reservations about Higgs, he's voting PC because his municipal colleague, Coun. Michel Morin, is running. 

"I know he's someone who will do a good job, so personally, I support the candidate, and I haven't changed my mind about the leader."

A man wearing glasses and a short-sleeved shirt sits at a round table during a conference. Roger Léger, a PC party supporter for about 50 years, who supported an attempt to review Higgs’s leadership last year, said his voting decision will remain private but he's left with a dilemma. (Jacques Poitras/CBC)

But other breakaway Tories are ruling out voting for PC candidates in the election.

"I'm not going to be putting an X next to Blaine Higgs," said Jason Sully, a former political assistant in the government who lives in Quispamsis, where Higgs is the candidate.

WATCH | 'Mr. Higgs will not be there for life': Unhappy PC members face decision:
 

Anti-Higgs PCs face dilemma in upcoming election

Some PC members who wanted Higgs gone will stay home, others will support party at the polls.

It's "a difficult choice," said Roger Léger of Dieppe, a PC party supporter for around 50 years who supported an attempt to review Higgs's leadership last year.

"It will remain private, it will remain confidential, but I'm left with a dilemma." 

The revolt against Higgs's leadership erupted after the premier made changes to Policy 713 so that it requires teachers to get parental consent if a student under the age of 16 wants to adopt a new name and pronoun at school.

Six PC MLAs broke ranks with the premier and voted with the opposition to pass a Liberal motion calling for further study of the issue.

A man speaking at a podium surrounding by people sitting down. A woman on the left is standing with her back to the speaker.   PC MLA Dorothy Shephard is seen here leaving the legislature during Higgs's speech on a Liberal motion on 2SLGBTQ+ students in provincial schools. She returned to vote with the opposition before resigning as minister of social development moments later. She wouldn't say how she intends to vote in the upcoming election. (Legislative Assembly of New Brunswick)

Two of those MLAs, Dorothy Shephard and Trevor Holder, resigned as ministers, saying Policy 713 was just the latest example of Higgs not consulting his caucus and deviating from the values of the party.

Sully worked for Shephard, and he is urging fellow PC members not to back the premier.

"Your local PC candidate might be a nice person, might be a good neighbour, might be a great friend … but a vote for them is still a vote for Blaine Higgs." 

In the wake of last year's turmoil, some grassroots party members began gathering signatures in the hopes of triggering a leadership review vote under the party's rules.

Medium shot of man smiling at camera John Williston, who had been a regional vice-president of the Progressive Conservative Party in southeast New Brunswick, said he would be 'sitting this one out.' (Submitted by John Williston)

But that push ultimately fell short of the required numbers, according to the party, and Higgs declared that he would remain as leader to take the party into this year's election.

Many of the unhappy members say they won't take part in the upcoming election, which is scheduled for Oct. 21.

"I'm more or less sitting this one out," said John Williston, who had been a regional vice-president of the party in southeast New Brunswick.

Marc Savoie, a former president of the Moncton East PC association, said he will, too.

Man standing outside, white building in background Marc Savoie, a former president of the Moncton East PC association, said he will also be sitting this election out. (Gilles Landry/Radio-Canada)

Williston said fellow party members he knows may spoil their ballot or simply stay home.

"As much as I consider myself a loyal member of the Progressive Conservative Party, it'd be very hard to bring myself to cast a ballot for a candidate who's endorsing the continued leadership of Blaine Higgs," he said.

Among the six MLAs who broke ranks last year — all of whom decided not to run as candidates this year — only one says he is supporting the PC party.

"My support and commitment to the Progressive Conservative Party of New Brunswick is unwavering," Moncton East MLA Daniel Allain said in an email.

Allain was shuffled out of cabinet for his vote on Policy 713.

"I look forward to continuing to build this party in the future, which to me means being fiscally conservative and socially progressive," said Allain, who said he's going to help his colleague and friend, PC cabinet minister Greg Turner, campaign in Moncton South.

A man in a dark suit jacket. Moncton East MLA Daniel Allain said in an email that his support and commitment to the PC party of New Brunswick is 'unwavering.' (Shane Magee/CBC)

Among the other rebellious MLAs, Shephard, Ross Wetmore and Jeff Carr would not say who they will vote for and all said they would not be involved in the campaign.

"I will be voting for the candidate that best represents my values and values that I feel best represent the people of New Brunswick," Wetmore said.

"For the first time in many years and elections I have no intention of being active, both physically nor monetarily, in any local or provincial campaign."

Two others from the group, Trevor Holder and Andrea Anderson-Mason, did not respond to the emailed questions from CBC News.

Former environment minister Gary Crossman, who resigned in April saying his views "no longer align in many ways with the direction of our party and government," has endorsed Liberal candidate John Herron in Hampton-Fundy-St. Martins.

Higgs has said all the departures from his caucus represent an opportunity to bring in new people with new ideas as PC candidates.

"We're all focused, we all have great alignment," he said in July. "We're all on the same page, and that's an exciting position for me to be in." 

A man with short, grey hair and glasses, dressed in a suit and tie, speaks into the microphones and recorders or reporters. Former environment minister Gary Crossman, who resigned in April saying his views 'no longer align in many ways with the direction of our party and government,' has endorsed Liberal candidate John Herron in Hampton-Fundy-St. Martins. (Jacques Poitras/CBC)

Léger said the decision to sit out the campaign — and potentially vote for another party — is "painful … because I think we remain, in spirit, Progressive Conservatives and wholeheartedly believe in the party and what it stands for." 

Savoie said he'll return to the party whenever Higgs leaves "to help elect a new leader worthy of the title, a true Progressive Conservative."

Ouellet says that's one argument for helping elect PC candidates now: to stake out some ground in the battle over the future of the party.

"It's important for people to not throw in the towel," he said.

"There needs to be people in the party who believe in the values of the party. You can't leave the field open to people who want to take the party in another direction. … Mr. Higgs will not be there for life." 

ABOUT THE AUTHOR


Jacques Poitras

Provincial Affairs reporter

Jacques Poitras has been CBC's provincial affairs reporter in New Brunswick since 2000. He grew up in Moncton and covered Parliament in Ottawa for the New Brunswick Telegraph-Journal. He has reported on every New Brunswick election since 1995 and won awards from the Radio Television Digital News Association, the National Newspaper Awards and Amnesty International. He is also the author of five non-fiction books about New Brunswick politics and history.

 

190 Comments


David Amos
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I wonder if Higgy and Outhouse know why I laughed as I listened to Sully yap on the radio this morning

 

David Conner
Trump taps out

David Amos
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Reply to David Conner
Nobody cares about your concerns with Trump

David Amos
Reply to David Amos
However I suspect some Maritimers would like ask Higgy et al about the letter I was referring to It is as follows

“September 11th, 2004

Dear Mr. Amos,

On behalf of Her Excellency the Right Honourable Adrienne Clarkson,

I acknowledge receipt of two sets of documents and CD regarding corruption,

one received from you directly, and the other forwarded to us by the Office of

the Lieutenant Governor of New Brunswick.

I regret to inform you that the Governor General cannot intervene in

matters that are the responsibility of elected officials and courts of Justice of

Canada. You already contacted the various provincial authorities regarding

your concerns, and these were the appropriate steps to take.

Yours sincerely.

Renee Blanchet

Office of the Secretary

to the Governor General”



David Conner
Trump shows up to the 9 11 ceremony with a ultra far right influencer that even MTG says is too much

David Amos
Reply to David Conner
Would like to have Michael Cohen's cell phone number?

David Amos
Reply to David Conner
20 Very long years ago I got an important letter bearing that date

David Conner
Reply to David Amos
You would?? Why?

David Amos

Reply to David Conner
I meant to write would you? Because I have it

David Conner
Reply to David Amos
Ya sure

David Amos
Reply to David Conner
http://davidraymondamos3.blogspot.com/2017/02/re-fatca-nafta-tpp-etc-attn-president.html

David Conner
Reply to David Amos
Thanks bud, but you and I aren’t going to be associated.

David Amos
Reply to David Conner
I am not your buddy

David Conner
Reply to David Amos
Believe me I know

David Amos
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Reply to David Conner
Anyone with two clues between their ears can see what you are up to by posting so much off topic nonsense



Dianne MacPherson

Who do these PC misfits think

they are fooling.

It is a 'secret' Ballot, they know

which side their bread is buttered .

What a joke !!

David Amos
Reply to Dianne MacPherson
Welcome to the circus



Walter Vrbetic
Pretty much the sentiment expressed by Marjorie Le Bretton when she questioned PP's selection as lwader... she also resigned from his riding association committee.

David Amos
Reply to Walter Vrbetic
Wasn't that special?



David Conner
Trump too afraid to do another debate

Dianne MacPherson

Reply to David Conner
OFF TOPIC !!

David Conner

Reply to Dianne MacPherson
Ya, he got dismantled in the last one.

David Amos
Reply to David Conner
Dream on

David Conner
Reply to David Amos
He’s tapping out. Can’t handle getting dismantled

David Amos
Reply to David Conner
The same can be said of your hero

David Conner
Reply to David Amos
Harper?? What?

David Amos
Reply to David Conner
Most folks don't know that I ran for public office 7 times from 2004 to 2019 but your hero and Higgy and his former buddies Cardy and Sully certainly do

David Conner

Reply to David Amos
Ahahahaha. Who’s Higgy . Buddy I’m in Ontario

David Amos
Reply to David Conner
Its obvious that you are no Maritimer



David Conner
Considering the Canada Future party

David Amos
Reply to David Conner
Of that I have no doubt



Jos Allaire
Major dissensions in the ranks.

David Amos
Reply to Jos Allaire
Everybody knows

Jos Allaire
Reply to David Amos
Everybody knows, but Higgs.

David Amos
Reply to Jos Allaire
C'est Vrai



David Sampson
There are conservative thinking people who might be a libertarian, a reformer, a fundamentalist, a regressive conservative or a PROGRESSIVE conservative. Higgs claims to be progressive but governs like a prairie reform fundamentalist.

David Amos
Reply to David Sampson
I am one of those conservative thinking people How would you classify an agnostic tree hugging Maritimer who loves fishing and hunting?

David Sampson
Reply to David Amos
I too am a conservative thinking person David but I have always been a moderate, willing to listen to views of others and respectful of everyone’s rights to choose their own political beliefs. I don’t believe organized religion has any place to play in our governance and that a separation of church and state is crucial for a healthy democracy to thrive. Can I assume you agree with me?

David Amos
Reply to David Sampson
Yup



Matt Steele
The biggest problem for the Higg's PCs is that some of the ridings are in a disarray with a change in candidates as PC MLAs retire , but these ridings that had a PC MLA previously have now become orphan ridings with no one responding to the riding's concerns , or returning messages to constitutes . Premier Higgs should have had people or other MLAs ready to step in to address people's concerns as the PCs really can't afford to throw those ridings away . A MAJOR political mistake for the PCs in an election where every vote , and riding , will count .

David Amos
Reply to Matt Steele
Will we see your name on a ballot???



Samual Johnston

Will we see this next?

‘Election is a dilemma for anti-Holt Liberal members.’

David Amos
Reply to Samual Johnston
You posted that out of the gate and I responded then



Matt Steele
Every N.B.er will have a chance to vote if they so desire . I haven't heard many even talking about a provincial election as most seem to be focused on seeing the Federal government fall . Usually there is a little excitement with an approaching provincial election , but few seem to care one way or another ; and everyone seems to be focused on Federal issues and its failed policies .

Kyle Woodman
Reply to Matt Steele
News from the echo chamber?

David Amos
Reply to Kyle Woodman
Yup

David Amos
Reply to Kyle Woodman
I wonder if Higgy and Outhouse know why I laughed as I listened to Sully yap on the radio this morning



Jake Newman
Higgs has done great things for NB, and now promising tax cut is even better and great news.

Gabriel Boucher
Reply to Jake Newman
Less money to fund for education and healthcare during times of need is great news? Seriously? Maybe swallow your pride for once and rethink what's actually going on out there.

Chantal LeBouthi
Reply to Jake Newman
Hahaha

David Amos
Reply to Chantal LeBouthi
Ditto



Lou Bell
Well as long as he doesn't have to use resoundingly defeated candidates from previous elections like the Liberals are doing , including their leader and some from other parties . May need to add " failed candidates to our recycling program to carry off the rectled the liberals have .

David Amos
Reply to Lou Bell
Do ya think Bruce Northrup read your words? You have teased me a lot about running against him in 2018 Correct?



Chantal LeBouthi
Let’s hope the politician’s of any party will talk about the environment and the impacts of large scales industrial deforestation large scale pesticides spraying going on is a total disaster what happening in NB hopefully the Cop28 will see it

Lou Bell
Reply to Chantal LeBouthi
Let's hope we have people running who , like Higgs , has attempted to develop NB's resources that has been completely stifled by the Liberals . One of the most resource rich provinces in Canada and reource development is a non issue with the Liberals .

David Amos
Reply to Chantal LeBouthi
Why not put your name on a ballot and talk about your concerns?

David Amos
Reply to Lou Bell
Why don't you run for Higgy?



Jen Corvec

So nobody should vote then?

I support Blaine Higgs.

Chantal LeBouthi
Reply to Jen Corvec
Why because of is far right ideology

Don Corey
Reply to Chantal LeBouthi
No, not the far right. The alternative is far left......poor choice.

Chantal LeBouthi
Reply to Don Corey
Higgs is like the titanic

Don Corey
Reply to Chantal LeBouthi
He escaped on a lifeboat.

Chantal LeBouthi
Reply to Don Corey
Haha good one Don like it

Lou Bell
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Reply to Chantal LeBouthi
Really ? Last week on MSNBC it was announced a group of 200,000 Evangelicals is supporting Kamala Harris in the US . Kinda pops the LW bubble don't ye think ?

Graham McCormack
Reply to Lou Bell
The difference is this group is not made up of mostly far-right, white, Christian nationalists. So no it doesn't.

David Amos
Reply to Don Corey
The punky old lifeboat appears to be not very hunky-dory



Don Corey
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Just another Poitras article trying to promote the Liberal cause. The reality is that most Conservatives (like Mayor Ouellet) know that Higgs won't be around much longer, and the party comes first (especially when the Liberals have nothing to offer except lots of spending and borrowing).

Lou Bell
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Reply to Don Corey
And many " reclcled " resoundingly defeated candidates and including their present leader and many from other parties .

Lou Bell
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Reply to Lou Bell
Talk about reaching into the recycleables !

Graham McCormack
Reply to Don Corey
Party first is why we have problems.


Bob Smith
I pray that voters can make the right choice and feel that there needs to be change in who is premier for New Brunswick.


Daniel Franklin
So much drama within the PC party. Time for a change.


Don Corey
What Sully thinks and/or has to say will have absolutely no impact on the election.

David Amos
Reply to Don Corey
It made my day



Gordon MacFarlane

Run as independents, cross the floor, tow the party line or retire

Pretty straight forward stuff

David Amos
Reply to Gordon MacFarlane
Yup



james bolt
Populism subsuming conservatism.

Has happened everywhere.

David Amos
Reply to james bolt
More to follow



Chantal LeBouthi
Higgs as destroy the old progressive party for the far religious right conservatives party

Liberals cannot be trusted on anything either

Gerrit Lafleur
Reply to Chantal LeBouthi
That's quite the stretch in the penalty box .

The next one will be permanent .

Chantal LeBouthi
Reply to Gerrit Lafleur
Both parties as been kick out of the game

David Amos
Reply to Chantal LeBouthi
IMHO All parties should get the boot



Allan Marven
Why no talk about spraying in the forestry and blueberry industries this time?

Chantal LeBouthi
Reply to Allan Marven
Absolutely

MR Cain
Reply to Allan Marven
That will be in the debate.

Chantal LeBouthi

Reply to MR Cain
I hope

David Amos
Reply to Chantal LeBouthi
Me too

MR Cain
Reply to Allan Marven
That and fracking.

David Conner
In Carlton county our police officers keep getting arrested, no idea who the good guys are anymore ...... 
 
David Amos
Reply to David Conner
Say Hey to Cardy for me will ya? 
 
David Conner
Reply to David Amos
How? I m not a party member
 
ralph jacobs
Reply to David Conner
No thanks. 
 
David Amos
Reply to David Conner
He is still a MLA As an Independent he speaks for all of us for a few more days
 
Allan Marven
Reply to David Conner
You are going to be sadly disappointed after the next federal election. Provincial....not so much.
 
David Conner
Reply to Allan Marven
Not so sure about that
 
MR Cain
Reply to David Conner
Cardy is a very smart man that nobody can get along with. Pretty much destroyed the NB NDP.
 
Don Corey
Reply to David Conner
You can't be serious.
 
David Amos
Reply to Don Corey
Yes he is 
 
 
 
Steve Morningstar
Higgs has finally brought us out of a financial disaster caused by the previous liberals (we were about to drop our credit rating which would of costs us millions). We have added more doctors in the past few years (89 net new 680 net new LPNs).

But when you have lax federal immigration policies it's really hard to keep up.

Liberals will do the same as the feds overspend and put us in another precarious place. What has taken years to get out of the last mess will be undone in a year or two with the liberals.

Kyle Woodman

Reply to Steve Morningstar
Our GDP paints a different picture.

La Cl

Reply to Steve Morningstar
Get help!

Chantal LeBouthi
Reply to Steve Morningstar
lol that funny

MR Cain
Reply to Steve Morningstar
Cons call it spending; progressives call it investing.

David Amos
Reply to Chantal LeBouthi
Ditto


William Peters
The magician's choice is all we have. In a substantial deck of cards to choose one from, the point of the offer is that the magician is adept in having you pick the card he has intended. You have the illusion of choice. It is what allows anyone to predict that the winner in the next election will be a careerist wearing a red or blue color, and that is all the establishment needs to ensure is palatable to them.

Third and fourth party candidates are all that interest me. I'm tired of the mainstream fringe thinkers who seek to appease the high capitalists.

William Murdoch
Reply to William Peters
Peoplekind rarely refer to magicians as being only male.

David Amos
Reply to William Murdoch
True

William Murdoch

Reply to David Amos
Not JP - that is for sure.

David Amos
Reply to William Murdoch
Which JP?

William Murdoch
Reply to David Amos
The scribe featured at this story.

David Amos
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Reply to William Murdoch
Never forget his buddy the other JP who teaches Political Science on our dime



William Murdoch
If only Opposition had someone that most I presume would vote for.

David Amos
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Reply to William Murdoch
If is a very big word Just as Rudyard Kipling



Jake Newman
not sure how this is news?

David Amos
Reply to Jake Newman
Read it again then as your MLA that question



John Charlton
Best wishes to NB and those that want change.

Information on future policy is the key to success for a new leader.

David Amos
Reply to John Charlton
We get the governments we deserve



Kyle Woodman
bro is cooked

David Amos
Reply to Kyle Woodman
Not yet



Murray Brown
There should be no 'dilemma'... Higgs isn't an actual Conservative... He's Irving's sycophant.

Jake Newman
Reply to Murray Brown
proof, evidence please

David Amos
Reply to Jake Newman
Read the news

La Cl
Reply to Jake Newman
Higgs was a Senior Executive for Irving for 33 years. You seriously think he doesn't do what Irving wants?



Frank Brace
It's a Trump dilemma

Samual Johnston
Reply to Frank Brace
trump has a core of fanatical followers as do all politicians - but if he gets elected again it will be based on people gambling that his economic policies will make life better for them. A lot of politics be it left, right or centre is holding your nose and voting.

Frank Brace
Reply to Samual Johnston
I do not better my life at the expense and to the detriment of others . Values determine actions and I do not have Trump values.

William Murdoch
Reply to Frank Brace
Both on the ballot there to be the most powerful person on Earth, during the debate, referred to Wind Turbines as being "Wind Mills". Mark Carney declares that he is committed to "decarbonizing" the planet. Now there is a politician that should run to Rule The World !

David Amos
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Reply to William Murdoch
Don Quixote would challenge Carney forever and a day




Frank Brace

You can not avoid the fact you are what you support no matter how named

Samual Johnston

Reply to Frank Brace
that is so not true --- in politics we are given choices that we do not 100% agree with but in the end we choose whose policies we believe will help us the most. In this instance the Conservatives will win if most people decide that we need fiscal restraint vs the Liberals winning if most people decide we should try to spend our way out of all the problems driving up our debt once again.

Graham McCormack
Reply to Samual Johnston
It's funny that you think Conservative governments are all abut fiscal constraint and don't add to the debt.

Frank Brace
Reply to Samual Johnston
If you value your perception of self interest solely, no matter how misplaced, to the detriment of others that reflects your values and who you support . We all own our decisions

MR Cain
Reply to Graham McCormack
Fiscal restraint? Higgs is costing us a fortune.

Jack Bell
Reply to MR Cain
Maybe take the blinders off?

" Provincial debt has declined by approximately $1.75 billion since 2018/19, with New Brunswick the only province in Canada to consistently report declining debt relative to the size of its economy since 2018/19."

https://www.fraserinstitute.org/blogs/new-brunswick-government-should-resist-temptation-to-increase-spending-before-election

David Amos
Reply to Frank Brace
IMHO If you run with turkeys then you are a turkey

La Cl

Reply to Frank Brace
Exactly!

La Cl
Reply to Jack Bell
Quoting the incredibly right-wing lying Fraser Institute is so silly.

Allan Marven
Reply to Frank Brace
I have spent my whole voting career trying to vote people out, not in.

MR Cain
Reply to Jack Bell
Maybe do an audit of the broken and poor contracts, court cases, increasing economic inequity, outstanding collective agreements, unfinished amalgamation, etc, the list is long.

Frank Brace
Reply to Allan Marven
Well said

Don Corey
Reply to Allan Marven
And how's that worked out for you.

Jack Bell

Reply to MR Cain
"Maybe do an audit of the broken and poor contracts, court cases, increasing economic inequity, outstanding collective agreements, unfinished amalgamation, etc, the list is long."

I replied to your post about "fiscal restraint".

Attacking things you did not bring up and I did not reply to is sad.

MR Cain
Reply to Jack Bell
So dramatic. 



Kenneth Dwight
The most unpoular New Brunswick premier in my voting history. I tolerated him, just barely, but when he endorsed the evangelical nut who speaks in tongues for Hampton...its "see ya" for me.

Samual Johnston
Reply to Kenneth Dwight
so you are condemning someone for their religious beliefs? I am sure everyone is open to ridicule for one or more of their beliefs. So do many Holt supporters insult people based on their religious beliefs?

Graham McCormack
Reply to Kenneth Dwight
She can have whatever religious beliefs she wants but they have no place in policy making decisions.

David Amos
Reply to Graham McCormack
I concur

Clive Gibbons

Reply to Samual Johnston
If you want to pray, there are many venues for that. The legislature isn't one of them.

David Sampson

Reply to Kenneth Dwight
He’s simply the minion of the Irvings who give him orders.

Jos Allaire
Reply to David Amos
I concur with my brother Amos.

David Amos
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Reply to Jos Allaire
I am not your brother


 
MR Cain
Fellow PC candidates, here is a news flash: Mr. Higgs is not Conservative. Now cast your vote.

Kyle Woodman
Reply to MR Cain
This is very true. Higgs/ Trump, not conservatives.

David Amos
Reply to Kyle Woodman
Interesting days eh?

Kyle Woodman

Reply to David Amos
Oh for sure. Maybe the conservatives will get their parties back after Trump, Higgs and PP are done with their populism gambit.



Samual Johnston
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Will we see this headline next? ‘Election is a dilemma for anti-Holt Liberal members

Kenneth Dwight

Reply to Samual Johnston
You won't as she's a sincerely nice person who actually gives a care about people. I guess partisanship kind of ruins that for you huh?

Samual Johnston
Reply to Kenneth Dwight
It is that kind comment that shows how the 'faithful followers' of any party need to take their blinders off. To actually believe that no liberal could possibly dislike Holt is insane and is what is wrong with politics.

David Amos
Reply to Samual Johnston
Surely you jest



Dan Lee
A one man solution is not the answer.......his views on very aspect is not what taxpayers need.......you cant even get an answer on any subject from other mlas.....he does not get along with nobody................how can you vote for that...........

Samual Johnston
Reply to Dan Lee
You are saying he gets along with everybody.

Clive Gibbons
Reply to Samual Johnston
If you can't dispute the point, attack the grammar. Bravo!

David Amos

Reply to Samual Johnston
Apparently so

Samual Johnston
Reply to Clive Gibbons
ok how about the fact of that matter....so you think he get along with nobody....am not surprised



Allan Marven
The solution to their problem is a simple one. Anyone on the planet could figure it out.

David Amos
Reply to Allan Marven
So you say

Allan Marven
Reply to David Amos
I'll qualify that. Anyone with a brain.

Don Corey
Reply to Allan Marven
Does that mean you're ruled out?



April Wine
The only path to change is to clean house. A dismal result is the only way.

Samual Johnston
Reply to April Wine
True but who do the liberals have in line to replace Holt?

David Amos
Reply to Samual Johnston
Good question

Jack Bell
Reply to Samual Johnston
Whether left or right, there are people who would vote for a garbage bag full of door knobs if it was the correct color.

The question is, is there someone who can appeal to the centrist voters who do not have an unwavering loyalty to party above all else?

Chantal LeBouthi
Reply to Jack Bell
Agreed totally with you

Allan Marven

Reply to Jack Bell
In cest u al voting.


 
Daniel Henwell
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I hope Premier Higgs gets reelected. This country cannot afford any more liberal governments handing out free cash left and right provincially or federally. 
 
Marc Bosse 
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Reply to Daniel Henwell
100% 
 
David Amos
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Reply to Daniel Henwell
True However Higgy is no better 

Dan Lee 
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Reply to Daniel Henwell 
yup......as soon as you stop Higgs from giving to irving.........and BIG cash for contract nurses il beleive you.................
 
La Cl
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Reply to Daniel Henwell 
Wow, do you even realize that NS is the ONLY provincial Liberal government?
 
David Amos 
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Reply to La Cl
Wrong Newfoundland has the only one
 
La Cl
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Reply to David Amos
Yes David, right you are. I forgot the tossed the last guy and gave it to Huston's Conservatives. Regardless the comment blamed the provincial Liberal GovernmentS of which there is only one so.....

 

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@jassully
a political junkie, husband and father. Tired of people saying one thing and doing another…..
Quispamsis, New BrunswickJoined March 2009
 
 

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Jason Sully
@jassully
 
Welcome to @premierbhiggs Health Care. #nbpoli #nbvotes24
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YO @susanholt @DavidCCoon @CBCNews @CTVNews @globalnews @gidget642
 
David Amos 
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I wonder if Higgy and Outhouse know why I laughed as I listened to Sully yap on the radio this morning 
 
 
 
 
 

Jean-Pierre Ouellet (born August 21, 1946 in Saint-Éleuthère, Kamouraska County, Quebec) is a Canadian politician in the province of New Brunswick.

He is a three-term member of the Legislative Assembly of New Brunswick representing the riding of Madawaska-les-Lacs for the Progressive Conservative Party. He was a member of Premier Richard Hatfield's cabinet.

He served as Minister of Youth from 1974 to 1982 and as Minister of Education from 1985 to his defeat in the 1987 election which saw the Liberals take power.

Ouellet returned to politics as the Conservative Party of Canada candidate in the riding of Madawaska-Restigouche in the 2006 federal election but was defeated by incumbent Jean-Claude D'Amours in a close race.

 https://haut-madawaska.com/en/city-hall/municipal-council

Mayor

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Jean-Pierre Ouellet
(506) 739-3606
jean-pierre.ouellet@haut-madawaska.com

 

 

Jason Sully

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Intro

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FINALLY, ATCON, and if you have time check the NORTHERN SHIPYARD..

 

https://www.facebook.com/johnwilliamsonNB/posts/im-with-jason-sully-new-brunswick-southwest-campaign-manager-at-the-conservative/2126681610718631/ 

 

I'm with Jason Sully, New Brunswick Southwest campaign manager, at the Conservative Party of Canada - Parti conservateur du Canada's campaign readiness school this weekend in a COLD, COLD Ottawa.
We are building a dynamic team of supporters and volunteers all working to win the next federal election. Almost 200 Conservative candidates have been nominated from across Canada, but the hard hard is ahead of us all.

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 https://davidraymondamos3.blogspot.com/2022/06/attn-minister-karina-gould-i-just.html

 

David Amos <david.raymond.amos333@gmail.com>

Re My right to MEDICARE and NO MORE false imprisonment




---------- Original message ----------
From: David Amos <david.raymond.amos333@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2020 17:37:28 -0400
Subject: Re My right to MEDICARE and NO MORE false imprisonment
To: ethique.ethics@vitalitenb.ca, "thomas.lizotte"
<thomas.lizotte@vitalitenb.ca>
, Stephanie.Thebeau@vitalitenb.ca,
Blaine.Higgs@gnb.ca, MelanieDawn.Cameron@horizonnb.ca,
info@vitalitenb.ca, benoit.bourque@gnb.ca,
fin.minfinance-financemin.fin@canada.ca, tom.fetter@gnb.ca,
dave.dell@gnb.ca, Dorothy.Shephard@gnb.ca, "chuck.chiasson"
<chuck.chiasson@gnb.ca>, MichelleAnne.Duguay@gnb.ca,
Jason.Sully@gnb.ca, "kris.austin" <kris.austin@gnb.ca>, "robert.mckee"
<robert.mckee@gnb.ca>, "robert.gauvin" <robert.gauvin@gnb.ca>,
Nathalie Sturgeon <sturgeon.nathalie@brunswicknews.com>, Newsroom
<Newsroom@globeandmail.com>, "Ross.Wetmore" <Ross.Wetmore@gnb.ca>,
andre <andre@jafaust.com>, Rhonda.Brown@globalnews.ca, pm
<pm@pm.gc.ca>, "Gerald.Butts" <Gerald.Butts@pmo-cpm.gc.ca>,
"geoff.regan" <geoff.regan@parl.gc.ca>, "Katie.Telford"
<Katie.Telford@pmo-cpm.gc.ca>, "Ian.Shugart"
<Ian.Shugart@pco-bcp.gc.ca>, "ian.fahie" <ian.fahie@rcmp-grc.gc.ca>,
"andrew.scheer" <andrew.scheer@parl.gc.ca>
Cc: motomaniac333 <motomaniac333@gmail.com>, DND_MND@forces.gc.ca

https://twitter.com/DavidRayAmos/with_replies

David Raymond Amos‏ @DavidRayAmos
Replying to @DavidRayAmos  @alllibertynews and 49 others
Methinks Higgy et al are well aware of why I would like to talk to Mr
Alpaugh ASAP particularly after my receiving a very egregious letter
from one of my doctors N'esy Pas?

https://davidraymondamos3.blogspot.com/2020/11/store-owner-furious-with-public-healths.html

#cdnpoli #nbpoli

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/fredericton-covid-exposure-jeff-alpaugh-case-1.5800648


---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: "Higgs, Premier Blaine (PO/CPM)" <Blaine.Higgs@gnb.ca>
Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2020 00:51:52 +0000
Subject: Automatic reply: I just caught Krissy Baby being a LIAR on
Rogers TV and they cut me off
To: David Amos <david.raymond.amos333@gmail.com>

[Le français suit.]

Dear Sir/Madam:

Thank you for taking the time to write to us. Due to the high volume
of emails that we receive daily, please note that there may be a delay
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Thank you for your understanding.

If this is a Media Request, please contact the Premier’s office at
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Bonjour,

Nous vous remercions d’avoir pris le temps de nous écrire. Tenant
compte du volume élevé de courriels que nous recevons quotidiennement,
il se peut qu’il y ait un délai dans notre réponse.

Nous vous remercions de votre compréhension.

S’il s’agit d’une demande des médias, veuillez communiquer avec le
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Merci.

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Brunswick E3B 5H1 Canada
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Email/Courriel: premier@gnb.ca/premier.ministre@gnb.ca


---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: "Cameron, Melanie Dawn (HorizonNB)" <MelanieDawn.Cameron@horizonnb.ca>
Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2020 01:02:48 +0000
Subject: Automatic reply: I just caught Krissy Baby being a LIAR on
Rogers TV and they cut me off
To: David Amos <david.raymond.amos333@gmail.com>

I will be away from the office returning on Monday, February 24th

Melanie Cameron
Executive Assistant
506-465-4433

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---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: "Info (VitaliteNB)" <MelanieDawn.Cameron@horizonnb.ca>
Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2020 01:02:42 +0000
Subject: Réseau de santé Vitalité Health Network
To: David Amos <david.raymond.amos333@gmail.com>

Nous accusons réception de votre courriel.  Un suivi sera fait dès que possible.

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---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: David Amos <david.raymond.amos333@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2020 20:51:48 -0400
Subject: I just caught Krissy Baby being a LIAR on Rogers TV and they cut me off
To: "kris.austin" <kris.austin@gnb.ca>, "blaine.higgs"
<blaine.higgs@gnb.ca>, "Kevin.Vickers" <Kevin.Vickers@gnb.ca>,
"robert.mckee" <robert.mckee@gnb.ca>, "robert.gauvin"
<robert.gauvin@gnb.ca>, "Ross.Wetmore" <Ross.Wetmore@gnb.ca>, andre
<andre@jafaust.com>
Cc: motomaniac333 <motomaniac333@gmail.com>, Nathalie Sturgeon
<sturgeon.nathalie@brunswicknews.com>, Newsroom
<Newsroom@globeandmail.com>

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oA1KzEXJMR8

Kris Austin, People's Alliance - Voice of the Province - February 20, 2020
19 watching now

Rogers tv
32.1K subscribers


David Amos​ Too too Funny

David Amos​Ask Chucky why i was barred from the leg 2 years before he was

David Amos​ Ask Austin what he thought of the email everyone including
Chucky got on Feb 14th

David Amos​ Asdk Austin what he thinks of my lawsuit against the Crown

David Amos​ Chucky did attend one of the hearings because he and
Vickers are mentioned in the lawsuit

David Amos ​I take false arrest very personally



---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: David Amos <david.raymond.amos333@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2020 15:59:18 -0400
Subject: Fwd: YO Mr Higgs Re My right to MEDICARE and NO MORE false
imprisonment Just as I get another bill from Vitalité I hear Horizon
want the RCMP to arrest me AGAIN TRUE or FALSE??? (Out of Office )
To: Rhonda.Brown@globalnews.ca, pm <pm@pm.gc.ca>, "Gerald.Butts"
<Gerald.Butts@pmo-cpm.gc.ca>, "geoff.regan" <geoff.regan@parl.gc.ca>,
"Katie.Telford" <Katie.Telford@pmo-cpm.gc.ca>, "Ian.Shugart"
<Ian.Shugart@pco-bcp.gc.ca>, "ian.fahie" <ian.fahie@rcmp-grc.gc.ca>,
"andrew.scheer" <andrew.scheer@parl.gc.ca>
Cc: motomaniac333 <motomaniac333@gmail.com>, david.akin@globalnews.ca

Need I say that I am tired of being called a perennial candidate on TV?


http://davidraymondamos3.blogspot.com/2017/05/before-writs-were-dropped-in-bc-and-ns.html


Monday, 22 May 2017

Before writs were dropped in BC and NS The VERY UNETHICAL "Journalist"
David Akin scores a new job as CHIEF POLITICAL CORRESPONDENT Global
News???
Methinks that by now mindless David Akin would have figured out that
just like one of my favourite artists Gordy Lightfoot I am still alive
and kicking. However if you scroll to the bottom of this blog you will
see byway of his Tweets Davey Boy continues to ignore my emails even
after I talk to his lawyer and send them both a Hell of an email.  Go
figure why I am not surprised. EH Commissioner Bobby Paulson of the
RCMP?

Do tell does the CBC or the CRTC or CTV or Roger TV or even CPAC or
anyone else recall back in 2015 when I stress tested the ethics of
David Boy Akin and his gal pal Kady Baby O'Malley about voting etc
during and after the election of the 42nd Parliament? I did that years
after I talked to Akin the first in in 2004 when he worked for CTV and
about 2 years or so after Kady had blocked me within Twitter when she
and her snobby buddies such as Jesse Brown, Jian Ghomeshi, Greg Weston
and Evan Solomon used to work for CBC too.

https://globalnews.ca/author/rhonda-brown/

Rhonda Brown
Supervising Producer
902 481 4440

Rhonda is a journalist with more than 24 years experience in the
television industry.

As Supervising Producer, she works with news staff in Halifax and New
Brunswick in the gathering the day’s stories and getting them to air
on Global News at 6 pm.

Born in Newfoundland and raised in Ottawa, she’s lived in Halifax for
more than 22 years.

She’s held a variety of roles with both Global News and CBC over her
career, with a brief foray into public relations.

A perennial candidate is a political candidate who frequently runs for
an elected office and rarely, if ever, wins. The term is the opposite
of an incumbent politician who repeatedly defends their seats
successfully.

Perennial candidates can vary widely in nature. Some are independents
who lack the support of the major political parties in an area or are
members of alternative parties (such as third parties in the United
States). Others may be mainstream candidates who can consistently win
a party's nomination, but because their district is gerrymandered or a
natural safe seat for another party, the candidate likewise never gets
elected (thus these types are often paper candidates). Still others
may typically run in primary elections for a party's nomination and
lose repeatedly. Numerous perennial candidates, although not all, run
with the full knowledge of their inability to win elections and
instead use their candidacy for satire, to advance non-mainstream
political platforms, or to take advantage of benefits afforded
political candidates (such as campaign financing, name recognition,
and television advertising benefits).





---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Rédaction <nouvelle@acadienouvelle.com>
Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2020 09:17:12 -0800
Subject: Re: Fwd: YO Mr Higgs Re My right to MEDICARE and NO MORE
false imprisonment Just as I get another bill from Vitalité I hear
Horizon want the RCMP to arrest me AGAIN TRUE or FALSE??? (Out of
Office )
To: david.raymond.amos333@gmail.com

Nous avons reçu votre message. Au besoin, nous communiquerons avec
vous pour plus de détails. Si vous avez des informations
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Merci de votre intérêt envers l'Acadie Nouvelle.


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---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Newsroom <newsroom@globeandmail.com>
Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2020 17:17:13 +0000
Subject: Automatic reply: YO Mr Higgs Re My right to MEDICARE and NO
MORE false imprisonment Just as I get another bill from Vitalité I
hear Horizon want the RCMP to arrest me AGAIN TRUE or FALSE??? (Out of
Office )
To: David Amos <david.raymond.amos333@gmail.com>

Thank you for contacting The Globe and Mail.

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This is the correct email address for requests for news coverage and
press releases.




---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: David Amos <david.raymond.amos333@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2020 13:17:08 -0400
Subject: Fwd: YO Mr Higgs Re My right to MEDICARE and NO MORE false
imprisonment Just as I get another bill from Vitalité I hear Horizon
want the RCMP to arrest me AGAIN TRUE or FALSE??? (Out of Office )
To: "jordan.gill" <jordan.gill@cbc.ca>, info@vitalitenb.ca,
info@chautva.com, Annie.Levasseur@chautva.com,
nouvelle@acadienouvelle.com, darsenault@allnovascotia.com,
huras.adam@brunswicknews.com, bajer.erica@brunswicknews.com,
dgnews@brunswicknews.com, restigouche@acadienouvelle.com
, news
<news@chco.tv>, nouvelles@cimt.ca, mike.cameron3@bellmedia.ca,
"steve.murphy" <steve.murphy@ctv.ca>, callum.smith@globalnews.ca,
megan.yamoah@globalnews.ca, silas.brown@globalnews.ca,
travis.fortnum@globalnews.ca, cbcnb@cbc.ca, "Bill.Morneau"
<Bill.Morneau@canada.ca>, "sylvie.gadoury"
<sylvie.gadoury@radio-canada.ca>, Newsroom
<Newsroom@globeandmail.com>, news <news@kingscorecord.com>,
"bruce.northrup" <bruce.northrup@gnb.ca>
Cc: motomaniac333 <motomaniac333@gmail.com>, "Michael.Duheme"
<Michael.Duheme@rcmp-grc.gc.ca
>, Qualite.Quality@vitalitenb.ca,
"Serge.Cormier" <Serge.Cormier@parl.gc.ca>, "robert.gauvin"
<robert.gauvin@gnb.ca>, media@horizonnb.ca, Kevhache@nb.sympatico.ca

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Annie.Levasseur@chautva.com
Phone : (506) 727-4417


L'Acadie Nouvelle - Bureau de Caraquet 
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Téléphone : 506 450-6103 (bureau)
Téléphone : 506 470-2413
nouvelle@acadienouvelle.com,

Vitalité Health Network
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Telephone: 506-544-2133
Toll-free: 1-888-472-2220
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https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/ceo-stands-behind-er-1.5466866

Vitalité CEO stands behind postponed emergency room proposals


Proposals 'were very good, were very sound, were evidence based,' said
Gilles Lanteigne

Jordan Gill · CBC News · Posted: Feb 18, 2020 10:33 AM AT

28 Comments

David Amos
Methinks Gilles Lanteigne and I should finally have a long talk ASAP N'esy Pas?



---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: David Amos <david.raymond.amos333@gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2020 15:33:02 -0400
Subject: Fwd: YO Mr Higgs Re My right to MEDICARE and NO MORE false
imprisonment Just as I get another bill from Vitalité I hear Horizon
want the RCMP to arrest me AGAIN TRUE or FALSE???
To: perthelkslodge362@gmail.com, "Andrew.Harvey"
<andrew.harvey@gnb.ca>, "bruce.fitch" <bruce.fitch@gnb.ca>,
"bruce.northrup" <bruce.northrup@gnb.ca>, "Macfarlane, Bruce (DH/MS)"
<Bruce.Macfarlane@gnb.ca>
Cc: motomaniac333 <motomaniac333@gmail.com>, "benoit.bourque"
<benoit.bourque@gnb.ca>, "Brian.kenny" <brian.kenny@gnb.ca>

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: David Amos <david.raymond.amos333@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2020 22:41:47 -0400
Subject: Re: YO Mr Higgs Re My right to MEDICARE and NO MORE false
imprisonment Just as I get another bill from Vitalité I hear Horizon
want the RCMP to arrest me AGAIN TRUE or FALSE???
To: "blaine.higgs" <blaine.higgs@gnb.ca>, Gerry.Lowe@gnb.ca,
"Jennifer.duggan" <Jennifer.duggan@rcmp-grc.gc.ca>, "Sandra.lofaro"
<Sandra.lofaro@rcmp-grc.gc.ca>
, premier <premier@gnb.ca>,
"Roger.Brown" <Roger.Brown@fredericton.ca>,
bachfoundation@horizonnb.ca, chalmers.foundation@horizonnb.ca,
MelanieDawn.Cameron@horizonnb.ca, friends@horizonnb.ca,
bpendrel@xplornet.com, joyvantassel@hotmail.com,
mrhfoundation@horizonnb.ca, smhfoundation@horizonnb.ca,
1945smha@gmail.com, SJRH.Foundation@horizonnb.ca,
SCCRFoundation@horizonnb.ca, urvhfoundation@horizonnb.ca
Cc: motomaniac333 <motomaniac333@gmail.com>, "rob.moore"
<rob.moore@parl.gc.ca>, robmoorefundy <robmoorefundy@gmail.com>,
votejohnw <votejohnw@gmail.com>

https://en.horizonnb.ca/home/ways-to-give/foundations.aspx



At Horizon Health Network we are extremely appreciative for the
support of our Foundations, Auxiliaries, and Alumnae.  These
organizations provide funding and support for much needed equipment,
programs and projects.  This support continues to allow Horizon Health
Network to provide the best possible patient care. Our volunteers are
equally important as they provide much needed emotional support and
assist with our patient care by reading, writing, cooking, delivering
flowers, or sitting with someone who might not have family nearby.

Whichever way you choose to give, your gift is valued and appreciated.

Foundations
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Miramichi Regional Hospital Foundation
Oromocto Public Hospital Foundation
Rexton and Area Health Care Foundation
Sackville Memorial Hospital Foundation
Saint John Regional Hospital Foundation
St. Joseph's Hospital Foundation
Stan Cassidy Foundation
Sussex Health Care Centre Foundation
Tobique Valley Health Care Foundation
Upper River Valley Hospital Foundation
Wauklehegan Manor/MacLean Memorial Hospital Foundation



---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Barbara Massey <Barbara.Massey@rcmp-grc.gc.ca
>
Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2020 19:30:16 -0500
Subject: Re: YO Mr Higgs Re My right to MEDICARE and NO MORE false
imprisonment Just as I get another bill from Vitalité I hear Horizon
want the RCMP to arrest me AGAIN TRUE or FALSE??? (Out of Office )
To: David Amos <david.raymond.amos333@gmail.com>

I am out of the office until Tuesday, February 18 and have
intermittent access to Email.  For any urgencies, please contact
Jennifer Duggan, General Counsel, at 613 825 2981, or my admin
assistant, Sandra Lofaro 613 843 3540..

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Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2020 20:29:13 -0400
Subject: YO Mr Higgs Re My right to MEDICARE and NO MORE false
imprisonment Just as I get another bill from Vitalité I hear Horizon
want the RCMP to arrest me AGAIN TRUE or FALSE???
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"michelle.conroy" <michelle.conroy@gnb.ca>, "Mike.Comeau"
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"sylvie.gadoury" <sylvie.gadoury@radio-canada.ca>

Methinks it must be because of my recent comments in CBC about your
nonsense about emergency Rooms etc N’esy Pas???

Here is just a few that are recorded within my blog etc


https://davidraymondamos3.blogspot.com/2020/02/deputy-premier-must-decide-whether-to.html


Wednesday, 12 February 2020

Deputy premier must decide whether to fall in line on health-care
reforms, Higgs says



https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/nb-doctor-sackville-hospital-emergency-room-closure-1.5462252


Doctor shortage forces overnight closure at Sackville ER

More er closures are possible before hours are permanently reduced on March 11

CBC News · Posted: Feb 13, 2020 11:32 AM AT



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David Amos
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Go Figure These are obviously not my Tweets but I did run against the lady


Chisholm Pothier
@chisholmp
·
Feb 10
The plan hasn’t even been announced yet and it’s already being
condemned. We know one thing for sure - we cannot keep delivering
Health the way we have. It isn’t sustainable with an aging population
and needs have changed with demographic change anyway. #nbpoli /1

Quote Tweet
Alaina Lockhart
@AlainaLockhart
· Feb 9
Premier @BlaineHiggs you can’t grow NB by reducing services in rural
areas. NB needs strong rural comms to thrive. The @townofsussex is key
to the region. You need to start thinking about the people impacted in
your quest to improve the bottom line.
https://twitter.com/nsteinbach_rc/


David Amos
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Reply to @David Amos: Chisholm Pothier no longer speaks for the
government Correct?









David Amos
Need I say I got a few calls after supper last night and the people
who called could tell I was pretty cranky about something? Trust that
what I heard on CBC this morning did not help my mood any..






David Amos
Methinks the real problem is that Higgy and Flemming can't get enough
bilingual folks who want to work within our Health Care System N'esy
Pas?

David Amos
Reply to @David Amos: Methinks everybody knows since the time of
Trudeau The Elder New Brunswick has been a great place to grow up and
get an education but to find work most of our young ones must head
west somewhere on the far side of Quebec. If the truth hurts so be it
N'esy Pas?







David Amos
On CBC this morning I heard our mindless Health Minister direct folks
to the emergency room in another province. Methinks we have not heard
that last about that N'esy Pas??







Jim Cyr
The people of New Brunswick are some of the silliest people in the
world. It’s been hilarious to see almost all of them completely turn
off their brains and freak out over Higgs’ emergency rooms plan. The
people will now vote out the PCs, of course......just as their silly
media masters tell them to do. And so the NB medical/fiscal/poverty
situation will just get worse and worse and worse than it already is..
You can’t make this kind of stuff up, folks!! Amazing to see.
Mind-numbingly predictable and monotonous. It’s like kubuki theater at
this point.. BAD kubuki theater.....lol

David Amos
Reply to @Jim Cyr: Methinks you may be cluing in as to why I call this
a circus If you can't find fun in the madness then you will go crazy
like they claim I am. Yea I'm crazy alright. Some say I'm crazy like a
fox others say I am just another narcissistic fool Hard telling not
knowing for sure but one thing is for certain I am having fun laughing
at all the people who laughed at me N'esy Pas?

However I can be as crazy as i want to be Higgy should ask the shinks
in the loonie bin of the DECH what they did with the wiretap tape of
the mob that I gave them in 2008 that the RCMP refuse to investigate.

Terry Tibbs
Reply to @Jim Cyr:
Silly? It's just plain "goofy". And once the CONServatives are gone,
having been exchanged for the Liberals, the process will repeat
itself, over and over.
Not one among us able to figure out the only end result is our pocket
remain empty.









Michael Durant
We need to begin serious talks with Doctors Without Boarders

David Amos
Reply to @Michael durant: Try again That one went over like a lead balloon

Ben Haroldson
Reply to @Michael durant: borders








Yves Savoie
Get your popcorn ready!!! The circus has begun....

David Amos
Reply to @Yves Savoie: Wanna trade some of your popcorn for peanuts?

Methinks Trump and everybody knows I have been enjoying the circuses
on both sides of the 49th for many years from the peanut galley.
Trump's minions know that just before July 4th, 2002 within a
statement of Claim against an incredible number of Yankee lawyers I
promised that I would run in the next Election in Canada. I have
remained true to my word and have run 7 times thus far. I joined the
clowns in the centre ring no only to to add my two bits worth and but
to witness the high diving acts up close and personal. Trust that
Harper and Higgy et al know that i dearly love the splash just my kids
and I did at Sea World a long long time ago N'esy Pas?

Ben Haroldson
Reply to @David Amos: Kudos to that, and if you were in my riding you
would get my vote, fed or prov.

Lou Bell
Reply to @Ben Haroldson: That would give him 14 votes

Lou Bell
Reply to @David Amos: " Methinks trumps and everybody knows I have
been enjoy.. .... ...... " !!! You really think trump knows who you
are ?? Seriously ???????????

David Amos
Reply to @Lou Bell: Do you want his lawyers cell number?

David Amos
Reply to @Lou Bell: Better yet do you want me to give them yours so
you can say hey to your Yankee heroes who locked me up in 2004?

David Amos
Reply to @Ben Haroldson: Thanks for the vote of confidence









Ben Haroldson
The Doctors are just helping to move things along. No sense waffling
if things are that dire.

David Amos
Reply to @Ben Haroldson: So you say







Terry Tibbs
What do you *think*? Coincidence, or not?

David Amos
Reply to @Terry Tibbs: Methinks we all know the wicked game by now N'esy Pas?

David Amos
Reply to @David Amos: BTW I was born in the Sackville Hospital in 1952
and it saved my butt 3 years later when I went into a coma for a
month. Methinks for that reason alone I should raise hell to defend
it. Methinks it should be rather obvious that I quite simply don't
care what my cousin Megan Mitton and all her Green Party pals say or
do about it N'esy Pas?

Holly Mossing
Reply to @Terry Tibbs: Not coincidence: ERs and Labour and Delivery
units have been randomly closing for years due to staffing issues.
That’s part of the problem, and this move will be part of the
solution. Government being responsible by listening to the health
authorities.










SarahRose Werner
How is the pool of doctors who provide nighttime ER coverage supplied?
Are these doctors who also work day jobs? Does staffing the ER
overnight make doctors less accessible to patients who seek service
during the day?

Elaine MacDonald
Reply to @SarahRose Werner: Overnight Doctors come from the family
practice doctors; so while some work the ER during the day, those who
work nights will also work office hours during the day before their
night shift starts. After midnight, the ER is emergencies only, so you
will be triaged by a nurse, then depending on the triage, you may or
may not see a doctor.

This Friday, from how it seems, there will be no doctor at all; I'm
not sure if a tirage nurse will assess people however.

SarahRose Werner
Reply to @Elaine MacDonald: Apparently not, because the ER will be
closed entirely. Which makes sense because triage is a sorting
procedure, not a treatment procedure. The word "triage" comes from the
process of sorting battlefield patients into three levels: those will
recover even without treatment, those who will even if treated and
those for whom treatment will make a difference. If there's no one
available to provide treatment, there's no point doing triage.

SarahRose Werner
Reply to @Elaine MacDonald: "Overnight Doctors come from the family
practice doctors; so while some work the ER during the day, those who
work nights will also work office hours during the day before their
night shift starts." - I'm not surprised that doctors who've already
worked during the day are averse to taking overnight shifts as well.

Terry Tibbs
Reply to @SarahRose Werner:
Why would they be "adverse"? If the "stories" told to us are true,
after supper the family practice doctor heads out to the ER for 7pm,
taking paperwork, or reading material, to catch up on.
Right around maybe 10, or 11pm they pull up a bed and have a snooze,
because there "might" be only 5 patients overnight, (this is "the
claim") maybe only one needing his/her attention, so the nurse can
wake him/her up as required. 7am the shift ends, doctor leaves fully
rested,12 hours pay richer.
In some cases, if the doctor lives real close, they go home, coming in
only if needed.

Holly Mossing
Reply to @SarahRose Werner: Yes, it does, which is part of the
problem. These are great shifts for doctors to pick up (quiet and pay
very well), but don’t help the health of local people overall because
the doc may see 5 urgent patients overnight but not be able to work at
see *25* the next day. That’s a big capacity issue.

David Amos
Reply to @Elaine MacDonald: Its a pity that nobody in Sackville would
listen to me this week

David Amos
Reply to @David Amos: However I will disclose that the Office of the
CEO of one of our Health Care systems called me a few days before
Flemming's big announcement in order to reach an understanding as to
why I am going to file a lawsuitin order to get my Medicare Card and
other things. I have heard nothing but crickets since. Methinks they
think I am bluffing Others know I am not N'esy Pas?











Ian Scott
It would help if the management would outline what it takes to have an
ER open 24/7. I do not think a lot of the public has a clue as to what
it means to open an ER to all comers and the staff then needed to
cover all reasonable issues. You cannot confuse the public and
ambulances etc where to go each night if staffing gets short. It makes
it worse. If you staff with general practice then they must have
extended training in ER issues. Otherwise the next thing is the
complaint that things were not done . Then comes the standard
equipment needed for stroke trauma etc, like CT scanners etc. Even
appendectomy becomes an issue without ultrasound or CT. Its really a
standard of practice and it requires a service level that is very
difficult to reach in small centers. Otherwise you just end up
shipping people out again and delaying diagnostics and the right
treatment, some of which are time related. Would you want surgery for
something that is not needed? Or have blood thinners given when you
actually have a brain bleed etc.

SarahRose Werner
Reply to @Ian Scott: One thing I've been reading in comments on
stories on this issue is that people mention being "stabilized" in a
smaller centre before being shipped out to a larger one. Not being a
medical professional, I don't know what resources and skills are
required to "stabilize" patients. Is this something that could be
achieved in some other way, for example, by expanded and improved
paramedic service?

Ian Scott
Reply to @SarahRose Werner: That is the care in bigger centers, well
trained paramedics to stabilize at site and transport. Still most
stroke issues need CT before treatment. Heart issues may be
"stabilized" with drugs etc but transfer really is key for assessment
. Trauma , (major) , needs a trauma center. I am not sure how many
paramedics can intubate in the field at this point in NB but even an
acute asthma or allergic issue might need it. Its what has been
suggested. The numbers are small in many of these towns.Even having
those staff may prove difficult down the road. Helicopter Air
ambulance is another issue, complex and expensive but out there.
Freddy is a trauma center for a certain level , but even it only has a
snowfield for landing.

SarahRose Werner
Reply to @Ian Scott: Okay, so if someone has a heart attack, acute
allergic attack, stroke, etc. in Sussex in the middle of the night and
that person needs some sort of immediate treatment to tide them over
until they get to the Saint John Regional, how is that provided? To
me, that's the crux of the issue here. I agree that 24/7 ER service in
all locations is not the answer. What are other possible answers?

Elaine MacDonald
Reply to @SarahRose Werner: In that situation, the patient will be
sent on to Saint John/Moncton (not sure which hospital in regards to
Sussex) regardless if they are stable or not.

SarahRose Werner
Reply to @Elaine MacDonald: Are there increased to the patient if
they're sent on without stabilization? What are those? What will be
done to ameliorate those risks?

Holly Mossing
Reply to @SarahRose Werner: There is a great study on this that showed
that cardiac patients who were “stabilized” at a small center then
transferred had worse outcomes and a higher death rate than patients
who bypassed their local ER and were brought directly to where they
could receive specialized care, for example. (
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/28615177/ ). Advanced care
paramedics need to be normalized in New Brunswick and supported to
make health care as safe as possible. I’ve never voted Conservative
but in this case Higgs’ government is doing absolutely the responsible
thing. We need to make sure they follow through with increased daytime
services.

David Amos
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Reply to @SarahRose Werner: Methinks you must have read some of my
comments N'esy Pas?

David Amos
Reply to @SarahRose Werner: Hmmmm










Donald Smith
There has to be a reason, or reasons why NB Cannot attract them ???????

Mack Leigh
Reply to @Donald Smith: There definitely is however no one is allowed
to talk about the " Elephant " in the room.

Ian Scott
Reply to @Mack Leigh: Major centers are not really having that issue
except for OR constraints for time for some specialists and no beds
because of acute care bed blockers. Bathurst has excellent docs as
does Edmonston and they are better at language issues than the south.
Freddy and SJ and the Moncton centers also attract excellent staff.
Its in between that is the issue , and medicine has changed , as have
expectations and the standard of care. An ER is just that , all
comers, not a clinic. One has to meet rigid standards of care. And
those are hard to meet in 4k population or less towns and villages.
Aging issues are one of the biggest issues and its being met poorly.
Billing numbers are a thing of the past so not in the question. There
could certainly be some concern I suppose of young docs worried about
potential language issues but low.

Elaine MacDonald
Reply to @Ian Scott: What people seem to forget is that Sackville,
while a population of 5000 including Mt. Allison students, also
services Dorchester, Memramcook, Port Elgin, Murry Corner as well as
we get patients from the Cape like Cocagne, Cap Pele, Shediac. We've
had people from Moncton and surrounding area come to our hospital in
increasing numbers over the past two years, even as far as Anagance,
AND we get people from NS as well like River Hebert and Amherst. It
isn't just NB, but NS we serve too.

So no, we don't have a 4K or less patient possibility, we have much
more than that.

SarahRose Werner
Reply to @Elaine MacDonald: Then maybe NS would like to contribute
some money to pay for overnight service at the ER.

Terry Tibbs
Reply to @SarahRose Werner:
Don't you believe for a moment they don't.
Show an out of province medicare card at a NB hospital and the eyes
light up like a one armed bandit hitting a jackpot.

David Amos
Reply to @Donald Smith: Everybody knows the reasons

David Amos
Reply to @Mack Leigh: I do








Brian Robertson
This is just the logical next step in the deterioration of healthcare
under the thumb of a government administered monopoly.
When you have no money and no Doctors and costs are still increasing
because all your workers are members of public service unions that can
hold the public hostage; what else can happen?
The viability of single payer healthcare is based on the metering of
services in order to control costs.
Public needs and individual abilities to pay simply do not factor into
the equation.

Terry Tibbs
Reply to @Brian Robertson:
Hold the phone, Just STOP, and *think* for a moment, you have been
misdirected just like you are supposed to be.
EVERY other province, or territory, has "evil" union belonging health
professionals, this is not a NB only "thing".
We are supposed to be short of 100, maybe 200, health professionals
needed per capita (a different number pops out whenever those in
charge are asked).
We know the pay and benefits in NB are "short" hence the shortage of
health professionals.
Yet the cost of healthcare is higher (per capita) than every other
province, or territory.
So, either EVERYONE in NB is constantly sick, or the extra cost is
somewhere else other than with the health professionals.
I respectfully *think* you should be looking elsewhere.

Brian Robertson
Reply to @Terry Tibbs:
All Provincial healthcare systems are following the same pattern
decline; except possibly Quebec who enjoys a lucrative infusion of
Federal transfer payments annually. New Brunswick just seems to be
ahead of the curve in terms of declining services and wait times.
There is more than enough blame to go around for this spiral trip
around the drain. Yes, and that includes your healthcare
professionals.

David Amos
Reply to @Terry Tibbs: Methinks he knows you are correct Quebec is a
UNILINGUAL Province Hence its costs are less N'esy Pas?





John Pokiok
There you have it no Doctor wants to live in rural setting it's a hard
core fact.

Ian Scott
Reply to @John Pokiok: Thats not really true. Being an ER doc is a
different fish from a GP office setting. It requires an extension of
training.If you open an ER then you have every issue from Intubation
to trauma to poisoning, heart attack stroke, delivery etc. ER trained
docs are a separate entity . You are asking a GP to be everything and
have little backup and extended hours and then have a practice in the
community. It takes a serious block of staff to do this around the
clock. And to have surgical backups for obstetrics etc.And to then
live in communities with 4K people is not easy.

David Amos
Reply to @John Pokiok: Many do when they retire

Elaine MacDonald
Reply to @John Pokiok: And yet we just had *2* doctors from US
background move to Sackville to practice. It's not a matter of no
doctors wanting to move to rural areas.

David Amos
Reply to @Elaine MacDonald: Maybe they are willing to cover the midnight shift


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> Subject: Emails to Department of Justice and Province of Nova Scotia
> To: "motomaniac333@gmail.com" <motomaniac333@gmail.com>
>
> Mr. Amos,
> We acknowledge receipt of your recent emails to the Deputy Minister of
> Justice and lawyers within the Legal Services Division of the
> Department of Justice respecting a possible claim against the Province
> of Nova Scotia.  Service of any documents respecting a legal claim
> against the Province of Nova Scotia may be served on the Attorney
> General at 1690 Hollis Street, Halifax, NS.  Please note that we will
> not be responding to further emails on this matter.
>
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>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: David Amos motomaniac333@gmail.com
>> Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2017 09:32:09 -0400
>> Subject: Attn Integrity Commissioner Alexandre Deschênes, Q.C.,
>> To: coi@gnb.ca
>> Cc: david.raymond.amos@gmail.com
>>
>> Good Day Sir
>>
>> After I heard you speak on CBC I called your office again and managed
>> to speak to one of your staff for the first time
>>
>> Please find attached the documents I promised to send to the lady who
>> answered the phone this morning. Please notice that not after the Sgt
>> at Arms took the documents destined to your office his pal Tanker
>> Malley barred me in writing with an "English" only document.
>>
>> These are the hearings and the dockets in Federal Court that I
>> suggested that you study closely.
>>
>> This is the docket in Federal Court
>>
>> http://cas-cdc-www02.cas-satj.gc.ca/IndexingQueries/infp_RE_info_e.php?court_no=T-1557-15&select_court=T
>>
>> These are digital recordings of  the last three hearings
>>
>> Dec 14th https://archive.org/details/BahHumbug
>>
>> January 11th, 2016 https://archive.org/details/Jan11th2015
>>
>> April 3rd, 2017
>>
>> https://archive.org/details/April32017JusticeLeblancHearing
>>
>>
>> This is the docket in the Federal Court of Appeal
>>
>> http://cas-cdc-www02.cas-satj.gc.ca/IndexingQueries/infp_RE_info_e.php?court_no=A-48-16&select_court=All
>>
>>
>> The only hearing thus far
>>
>> May 24th, 2017
>>
>> https://archive.org/details/May24thHoedown
>>
>>
>> This Judge understnds the meaning of the word Integrity
>>
>> Date: 20151223
>>
>> Docket: T-1557-15
>>
>> Fredericton, New Brunswick, December 23, 2015
>>
>> PRESENT:        The Honourable Mr. Justice Bell
>>
>> BETWEEN:
>>
>> DAVID RAYMOND AMOS
>>
>> Plaintiff
>>
>> and
>>
>> HER MAJESTY THE QUEEN
>>
>> Defendant
>>
>> ORDER
>>
>> (Delivered orally from the Bench in Fredericton, New Brunswick, on
>> December 14, 2015)
>>
>> The Plaintiff seeks an appeal de novo, by way of motion pursuant to
>> the Federal Courts Rules (SOR/98-106), from an Order made on November
>> 12, 2015, in which Prothonotary Morneau struck the Statement of Claim
>> in its entirety.
>>
>> At the outset of the hearing, the Plaintiff brought to my attention a
>> letter dated September 10, 2004, which he sent to me, in my then
>> capacity as Past President of the New Brunswick Branch of the Canadian
>> Bar Association, and the then President of the Branch, Kathleen Quigg,
>> (now a Justice of the New Brunswick Court of Appeal).  In that letter
>> he stated:
>>
>> As for your past President, Mr. Bell, may I suggest that you check the
>> work of Frank McKenna before I sue your entire law firm including you.
>> You are your brother’s keeper.
>>
>> Frank McKenna is the former Premier of New Brunswick and a former
>> colleague of mine at the law firm of McInnes Cooper. In addition to
>> expressing an intention to sue me, the Plaintiff refers to a number of
>> people in his Motion Record who he appears to contend may be witnesses
>> or potential parties to be added. Those individuals who are known to
>> me personally, include, but are not limited to the former Prime
>> Minister of Canada, The Right Honourable Stephen Harper; former
>> Attorney General of Canada and now a Justice of the Manitoba Court of
>> Queen’s Bench, Vic Toews; former member of Parliament Rob Moore;
>> former Director of Policing Services, the late Grant Garneau; former
>> Chief of the Fredericton Police Force, Barry McKnight; former Staff
>> Sergeant Danny Copp; my former colleagues on the New Brunswick Court
>> of Appeal, Justices Bradley V. Green and Kathleen Quigg, and, retired
>> Assistant Commissioner Wayne Lang of the Royal Canadian Mounted
>> Police.
>>
>> In the circumstances, given the threat in 2004 to sue me in my
>> personal capacity and my past and present relationship with many
>> potential witnesses and/or potential parties to the litigation, I am
>> of the view there would be a reasonable apprehension of bias should I
>> hear this motion. See Justice de Grandpré’s dissenting judgment in
>> Committee for Justice and Liberty et al v National Energy Board et al,
>> [1978] 1 SCR 369 at p 394 for the applicable test regarding
>> allegations of bias. In the circumstances, although neither party has
>> requested I recuse myself, I consider it appropriate that I do so.
>>
>>
>> AS A RESULT OF MY RECUSAL, THIS COURT ORDERS that the Administrator of
>> the Court schedule another date for the hearing of the motion.  There
>> is no order as to costs.
>>
>> “B. Richard Bell”
>> Judge
>>
>>
>> Below after the CBC article about your concerns (I made one comment
>> already) you will find the text of just two of many emails I had sent
>> to your office over the years since I first visited it in 2006.
>>
>>  I noticed that on July 30, 2009, he was appointed to the  the Court
>> Martial Appeal Court of Canada  Perhaps you should scroll to the
>> bottom of this email ASAP and read the entire Paragraph 83  of my
>> lawsuit now before the Federal Court of Canada?
>>
>> "FYI This is the text of the lawsuit that should interest Trudeau the
>> most
>>
>>
>> ---------- Original message ----------
>> From: justin.trudeau.a1@parl.gc.ca
>> Date: Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 8:18 PM
>> Subject: Réponse automatique : RE My complaint against the CROWN in
>> Federal Court Attn David Hansen and Peter MacKay If you planning to
>> submit a motion for a publication ban on my complaint trust that you
>> dudes are way past too late
>> To: david.raymond.amos@gmail.com
>>
>> Veuillez noter que j'ai changé de courriel. Vous pouvez me rejoindre à
>> lalanthier@hotmail.com
>>
>> Pour rejoindre le bureau de M. Trudeau veuillez envoyer un courriel à
>> tommy.desfosses@parl.gc.ca
>>
>> Please note that I changed email address, you can reach me at
>> lalanthier@hotmail.com
>>
>> To reach the office of Mr. Trudeau please send an email to
>> tommy.desfosses@parl.gc.ca
>>
>> Thank you,
>>
>> Merci ,
>>
>>
>> http://davidraymondamos3.blogspot.ca/2015/09/v-behaviorurldefaultvmlo.html
>>
>>
>> 83.  The Plaintiff states that now that Canada is involved in more war
>> in Iraq again it did not serve Canadian interests and reputation to
>> allow Barry Winters to publish the following words three times over
>> five years after he began his bragging:
>>
>> January 13, 2015
>> This Is Just AS Relevant Now As When I wrote It During The Debate
>>
>> December 8, 2014
>> Why Canada Stood Tall!
>>
>> Friday, October 3, 2014
>> Little David Amos’ “True History Of War” Canadian Airstrikes And
>> Stupid Justin Trudeau
>>
>> Canada’s and Canadians free ride is over. Canada can no longer hide
>> behind Amerka’s and NATO’s skirts.
>>
>> When I was still in Canadian Forces then Prime Minister Jean Chretien
>> actually committed the Canadian Army to deploy in the second campaign
>> in Iraq, the Coalition of the Willing. This was against or contrary to
>> the wisdom or advice of those of us Canadian officers that were
>> involved in the initial planning phases of that operation. There were
>> significant concern in our planning cell, and NDHQ about of the dearth
>> of concern for operational guidance, direction, and forces for
>> operations after the initial occupation of Iraq. At the “last minute”
>> Prime Minister Chretien and the Liberal government changed its mind.
>> The Canadian government told our amerkan cousins that we would not
>> deploy combat troops for the Iraq campaign, but would deploy a
>> Canadian Battle Group to Afghanistan, enabling our amerkan cousins to
>> redeploy troops from there to Iraq. The PMO’s thinking that it was
>> less costly to deploy Canadian Forces to Afghanistan than Iraq. But
>> alas no one seems to remind the Liberals of Prime Minister Chretien’s
>> then grossly incorrect assumption. Notwithstanding Jean Chretien’s
>> incompetence and stupidity, the Canadian Army was heroic,
>> professional, punched well above it’s weight, and the PPCLI Battle
>> Group, is credited with “saving Afghanistan” during the Panjway
>> campaign of 2006.
>>
>> What Justin Trudeau and the Liberals don’t tell you now, is that then
>> Liberal Prime Minister Jean Chretien committed, and deployed the
>> Canadian army to Canada’s longest “war” without the advice, consent,
>> support, or vote of the Canadian Parliament.
>>
>> What David Amos and the rest of the ignorant, uneducated, and babbling
>> chattering classes are too addled to understand is the deployment of
>> less than 75 special operations troops, and what is known by planners
>> as a “six pac cell” of fighter aircraft is NOT the same as a
>> deployment of a Battle Group, nor a “war” make.
>>
>> The Canadian Government or The Crown unlike our amerkan cousins have
>> the “constitutional authority” to commit the Canadian nation to war.
>> That has been recently clearly articulated to the Canadian public by
>> constitutional scholar Phillippe Legasse. What Parliament can do is
>> remove “confidence” in The Crown’s Government in a “vote of
>> non-confidence.” That could not happen to the Chretien Government
>> regarding deployment to Afghanistan, and it won’t happen in this
>> instance with the conservative majority in The Commons regarding a
>> limited Canadian deployment to the Middle East.
>>
>> President George Bush was quite correct after 911 and the terror
>> attacks in New York; that the Taliban “occupied” and “failed state”
>> Afghanistan was the source of logistical support, command and control,
>> and training for the Al Quaeda war of terror against the world. The
>> initial defeat, and removal from control of Afghanistan was vital and
>>
>> P.S. Whereas this CBC article is about your opinion of the actions of
>> the latest Minister Of Health trust that Mr Boudreau and the CBC have
>> had my files for many years and the last thing they are is ethical.
>> Ask his friends Mr Murphy and the RCMP if you don't believe me.
>>
>> Subject:
>> Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 12:02:35 -0400
>> From: "Murphy, Michael B. \(DH/MS\)" MichaelB.Murphy@gnb.ca
>> To: motomaniac_02186@yahoo.com
>>
>> January 30, 2007
>>
>> WITHOUT PREJUDICE
>>
>> Mr. David Amos
>>
>> Dear Mr. Amos:
>>
>> This will acknowledge receipt of a copy of your e-mail of December 29,
>> 2006 to Corporal Warren McBeath of the RCMP.
>>
>> Because of the nature of the allegations made in your message, I have
>> taken the measure of forwarding a copy to Assistant Commissioner Steve
>> Graham of the RCMP “J” Division in Fredericton.
>>
>> Sincerely,
>>
>> Honourable Michael B. Murphy
>> Minister of Health
>>
>> CM/cb
>>
>>
>> Warren McBeath warren.mcbeath@rcmp-grc.gc.ca wrote:
>>
>> Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 17:34:53 -0500
>> From: "Warren McBeath" warren.mcbeath@rcmp-grc.gc.ca
>> To: kilgoursite@ca.inter.net, MichaelB.Murphy@gnb.ca,
>> nada.sarkis@gnb.ca, wally.stiles@gnb.ca, dwatch@web.net,
>> motomaniac_02186@yahoo.com
>> CC: ottawa@chuckstrahl.com, riding@chuckstrahl.com,John.Foran@gnb.ca,
>> Oda.B@parl.gc.ca,"Bev BUSSON" bev.busson@rcmp-grc.gc.ca,
>> "Paul Dube" PAUL.DUBE@rcmp-grc.gc.ca
>> Subject: Re: Remember me Kilgour? Landslide Annie McLellan has
>> forgotten me but the crooks within the RCMP have not
>>
>> Dear Mr. Amos,
>>
>> Thank you for your follow up e-mail to me today. I was on days off
>> over the holidays and returned to work this evening. Rest assured I
>> was not ignoring or procrastinating to respond to your concerns.
>>
>> As your attachment sent today refers from Premier Graham, our position
>> is clear on your dead calf issue: Our forensic labs do not process
>> testing on animals in cases such as yours, they are referred to the
>> Atlantic Veterinary College in Charlottetown who can provide these
>> services. If you do not choose to utilize their expertise in this
>> instance, then that is your decision and nothing more can be done.
>>
>> As for your other concerns regarding the US Government, false
>> imprisonment and Federal Court Dates in the US, etc... it is clear
>> that Federal authorities are aware of your concerns both in Canada
>> the US. These issues do not fall into the purvue of Detachment
>> and policing in Petitcodiac, NB.
>>
>> It was indeed an interesting and informative conversation we had on
>> December 23rd, and I wish you well in all of your future endeavors.
>>
>>  Sincerely,
>>
>> Warren McBeath, Cpl.
>> GRC Caledonia RCMP
>> Traffic Services NCO
>> Ph: (506) 387-2222
>> Fax: (506) 387-4622
>> E-mail warren.mcbeath@rcmp-grc.gc.ca
>>
>>
>>
>> Alexandre Deschênes, Q.C.,
>> Office of the Integrity Commissioner
>> Edgecombe House, 736 King Street
>> Fredericton, N.B. CANADA E3B 5H1
>> tel.: 506-457-7890
>> fax: 506-444-5224
>> e-mail:coi@gnb.ca
>>
>
>
> On 8/3/17, David Amos <motomaniac333@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> If want something very serious to download and laugh at as well Please
>> Enjoy and share real wiretap tapes of the mob
>>
>> http://thedavidamosrant.blogspot.ca/2013/10/re-glen-greenwald-and-braz
>> ilian.html
>>
>>> http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2013/06/09/nsa-leak-guardian.html
>>>
>>> As the CBC etc yap about Yankee wiretaps and whistleblowers I must
>>> ask them the obvious question AIN'T THEY FORGETTING SOMETHING????
>>>
>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vugUalUO8YY
>>>
>>> What the hell does the media think my Yankee lawyer served upon the
>>> USDOJ right after I ran for and seat in the 39th Parliament baseball
>>> cards?
>>>
>>> http://archive.org/details/ITriedToExplainItToAllMaritimersInEarly200
>>> 6
>>>
>>> http://davidamos.blogspot.ca/2006/05/wiretap-tapes-impeach-bush.html
>>>
>>> http://www.archive.org/details/PoliceSurveilanceWiretapTape139
>>>
>>> http://archive.org/details/Part1WiretapTape143
>>>
>>> FEDERAL EXPRES February 7, 2006
>>> Senator Arlen Specter
>>> United States Senate
>>> Committee on the Judiciary
>>> 224 Dirksen Senate Office Building
>>> Washington, DC 20510
>>>
>>> Dear Mr. Specter:
>>>
>>> I have been asked to forward the enclosed tapes to you from a man
>>> named, David Amos, a Canadian citizen, in connection with the matters
>>> raised in the attached letter.
>>>
>>> Mr. Amos has represented to me that these are illegal FBI wire tap
>>> tapes.
>>>
>>> I believe Mr. Amos has been in contact with you about this previously.
>>>
>>> Very truly yours,
>>> Barry A. Bachrach
>>> Direct telephone: (508) 926-3403
>>> Direct facsimile: (508) 929-3003
>>> Email: bbachrach@bowditch.com
>>>
>>
>
> http://davidraymondamos3.blogspot.ca/2017/11/federal-court-of-appeal-finally-makes.html
>
>
> Sunday, 19 November 2017
> Federal Court of Appeal Finally Makes The BIG Decision And Publishes
> It Now The Crooks Cannot Take Back Ticket To Try Put My Matter Before
> The Supreme Court
>
> https://decisions.fct-cf.gc.ca/fca-caf/decisions/en/item/236679/index.do
>
>
> Federal Court of Appeal Decisions
>
> Amos v. Canada
> Court (s) Database
>
> Federal Court of Appeal Decisions
> Date
>
> 2017-10-30
> Neutral citation
>
> 2017 FCA 213
> File numbers
>
> A-48-16
> Date: 20171030
>
> Docket: A-48-16
> Citation: 2017 FCA 213
> CORAM:
>
> WEBB J.A.
> NEAR J.A.
> GLEASON J.A.
>
>
> BETWEEN:
> DAVID RAYMOND AMOS
> Respondent on the cross-appeal
> (and formally Appellant)
> and
> HER MAJESTY THE QUEEN
> Appellant on the cross-appeal
> (and formerly Respondent)
> Heard at Fredericton, New Brunswick, on May 24, 2017.
> Judgment delivered at Ottawa, Ontario, on October 30, 2017.
> REASONS FOR JUDGMENT BY:
>
> THE COURT
>
>
>
> Date: 20171030
>
> Docket: A-48-16
> Citation: 2017 FCA 213
> CORAM:
>
> WEBB J.A.
> NEAR J.A.
> GLEASON J.A.
>
>
> BETWEEN:
> DAVID RAYMOND AMOS
> Respondent on the cross-appeal
> (and formally Appellant)
> and
> HER MAJESTY THE QUEEN
> Appellant on the cross-appeal
> (and formerly Respondent)
> REASONS FOR JUDGMENT BY THE COURT
>
> I.                    Introduction
>
> [1]               On September 16, 2015, David Raymond Amos (Mr. Amos)
> filed a 53-page Statement of Claim (the Claim) in Federal Court
> against Her Majesty the Queen (the Crown). Mr. Amos claims $11 million
> in damages and a public apology from the Prime Minister and Provincial
> Premiers for being illegally barred from accessing parliamentary
> properties and seeks a declaration from the Minister of Public Safety
> that the Canadian Government will no longer allow the Royal Canadian
> Mounted Police (RCMP) and Canadian Forces to harass him and his clan
> (Claim at para. 96).
>
> [2]               On November 12, 2015 (Docket T-1557-15), by way of a
> motion brought by the Crown, a prothonotary of the Federal Court (the
> Prothonotary) struck the Claim in its entirety, without leave to
> amend, on the basis that it was plain and obvious that the Claim
> disclosed no reasonable claim, the Claim was fundamentally vexatious,
> and the Claim could not be salvaged by way of further amendment (the
> Prothontary’s Order).
>
>
> [3]               On January 25, 2016 (2016 FC 93), by way of Mr.
> Amos’ appeal from the Prothonotary’s Order, a judge of the Federal
> Court (the Judge), reviewing the matter de novo, struck all of Mr.
> Amos’ claims for relief with the exception of the claim for damages
> for being barred by the RCMP from the New Brunswick legislature in
> 2004 (the Federal Court Judgment).
>
>
> [4]               Mr. Amos appealed and the Crown cross-appealed the
> Federal Court Judgment. Further to the issuance of a Notice of Status
> Review, Mr. Amos’ appeal was dismissed for delay on December 19, 2016.
> As such, the only matter before this Court is the Crown’s
> cross-appeal.
>
>
> II.                 Preliminary Matter
>
> [5]               Mr. Amos, in his memorandum of fact and law in
> relation to the cross-appeal that was filed with this Court on March
> 6, 2017, indicated that several judges of this Court, including two of
> the judges of this panel, had a conflict of interest in this appeal.
> This was the first time that he identified the judges whom he believed
> had a conflict of interest in a document that was filed with this
> Court. In his notice of appeal he had alluded to a conflict with
> several judges but did not name those judges.
>
> [6]               Mr. Amos was of the view that he did not have to
> identify the judges in any document filed with this Court because he
> had identified the judges in various documents that had been filed
> with the Federal Court. In his view the Federal Court and the Federal
> Court of Appeal are the same court and therefore any document filed in
> the Federal Court would be filed in this Court. This view is based on
> subsections 5(4) and 5.1(4) of the Federal Courts Act, R.S.C., 1985,
> c. F-7:
>
>
> 5(4) Every judge of the Federal Court is, by virtue of his or her
> office, a judge of the Federal Court of Appeal and has all the
> jurisdiction, power and authority of a judge of the Federal Court of
> Appeal.
> […]
>
> 5(4) Les juges de la Cour fédérale sont d’office juges de la Cour
> d’appel fédérale et ont la même compétence et les mêmes pouvoirs que
> les juges de la Cour d’appel fédérale.
> […]
> 5.1(4) Every judge of the Federal Court of Appeal is, by virtue of
> that office, a judge of the Federal Court and has all the
> jurisdiction, power and authority of a judge of the Federal Court.
>
> 5.1(4) Les juges de la Cour d’appel fédérale sont d’office juges de la
> Cour fédérale et ont la même compétence et les mêmes pouvoirs que les
> juges de la Cour fédérale.
>
>
> [7]               However, these subsections only provide that the
> judges of the Federal Court are also judges of this Court (and vice
> versa). It does not mean that there is only one court. If the Federal
> Court and this Court were one Court, there would be no need for this
> section.
> [8]               Sections 3 and 4 of the Federal Courts Act provide that:
> 3 The division of the Federal Court of Canada called the Federal Court
> — Appeal Division is continued under the name “Federal Court of
> Appeal” in English and “Cour d’appel fédérale” in French. It is
> continued as an additional court of law, equity and admiralty in and
> for Canada, for the better administration of the laws of Canada and as
> a superior court of record having civil and criminal jurisdiction.
>
> 3 La Section d’appel, aussi appelée la Cour d’appel ou la Cour d’appel
> fédérale, est maintenue et dénommée « Cour d’appel fédérale » en
> français et « Federal Court of Appeal » en anglais. Elle est maintenue
> à titre de tribunal additionnel de droit, d’equity et d’amirauté du
> Canada, propre à améliorer l’application du droit canadien, et
> continue d’être une cour supérieure d’archives ayant compétence en
> matière civile et pénale.
> 4 The division of the Federal Court of Canada called the Federal Court
> — Trial Division is continued under the name “Federal Court” in
> English and “Cour fédérale” in French. It is continued as an
> additional court of law, equity and admiralty in and for Canada, for
> the better administration of the laws of Canada and as a superior
> court of record having civil and criminal jurisdiction.
>
> 4 La section de la Cour fédérale du Canada, appelée la Section de
> première instance de la Cour fédérale, est maintenue et dénommée «
> Cour fédérale » en français et « Federal Court » en anglais. Elle est
> maintenue à titre de tribunal additionnel de droit, d’equity et
> d’amirauté du Canada, propre à améliorer l’application du droit
> canadien, et continue d’être une cour supérieure d’archives ayant
> compétence en matière civile et pénale.
>
>
> [9]               Sections 3 and 4 of the Federal Courts Act create
> two separate courts – this Court (section 3) and the Federal Court
> (section 4). If, as Mr. Amos suggests, documents filed in the Federal
> Court were automatically also filed in this Court, then there would no
> need for the parties to prepare and file appeal books as required by
> Rules 343 to 345 of the Federal Courts Rules, SOR/98-106 in relation
> to any appeal from a decision of the Federal Court. The requirement to
> file an appeal book with this Court in relation to an appeal from a
> decision of the Federal Court makes it clear that the only documents
> that will be before this Court are the documents that are part of that
> appeal book.
>
>
> [10]           Therefore, the memorandum of fact and law filed on
> March 6, 2017 is the first document, filed with this Court, in which
> Mr. Amos identified the particular judges that he submits have a
> conflict in any matter related to him.
>
>
> [11]           On April 3, 2017, Mr. Amos attempted to bring a motion
> before the Federal Court seeking an order “affirming or denying the
> conflict of interest he has” with a number of judges of the Federal
> Court. A judge of the Federal Court issued a direction noting that if
> Mr. Amos was seeking this order in relation to judges of the Federal
> Court of Appeal, it was beyond the jurisdiction of the Federal Court.
> Mr. Amos raised the Federal Court motion at the hearing of this
> cross-appeal. The Federal Court motion is not a motion before this
> Court and, as such, the submissions filed before the Federal Court
> will not be entertained. As well, since this was a motion brought
> before the Federal Court (and not this Court), any documents filed in
> relation to that motion are not part of the record of this Court.
>
>
> [12]           During the hearing of the appeal Mr. Amos alleged that
> the third member of this panel also had a conflict of interest and
> submitted some documents that, in his view, supported his claim of a
> conflict. Mr. Amos, following the hearing of his appeal, was also
> afforded the opportunity to provide a brief summary of the conflict
> that he was alleging and to file additional documents that, in his
> view, supported his allegations. Mr. Amos submitted several pages of
> documents in relation to the alleged conflicts. He organized the
> documents by submitting a copy of the biography of the particular
> judge and then, immediately following that biography, by including
> copies of the documents that, in his view, supported his claim that
> such judge had a conflict.
>
>
> [13]           The nature of the alleged conflict of Justice Webb is
> that before he was appointed as a Judge of the Tax Court of Canada in
> 2006, he was a partner with the law firm Patterson Law, and before
> that with Patterson Palmer in Nova Scotia. Mr. Amos submitted that he
> had a number of disputes with Patterson Palmer and Patterson Law and
> therefore Justice Webb has a conflict simply because he was a partner
> of these firms. Mr. Amos is not alleging that Justice Webb was
> personally involved in or had any knowledge of any matter in which Mr.
> Amos was involved with Justice Webb’s former law firm – only that he
> was a member of such firm.
>
>
> [14]           During his oral submissions at the hearing of his
> appeal Mr. Amos, in relation to the alleged conflict for Justice Webb,
> focused on dealings between himself and a particular lawyer at
> Patterson Law. However, none of the documents submitted by Mr. Amos at
> the hearing or subsequently related to any dealings with this
> particular lawyer nor is it clear when Mr. Amos was dealing with this
> lawyer. In particular, it is far from clear whether such dealings were
> after the time that Justice Webb was appointed as a Judge of the Tax
> Court of Canada over 10 years ago.
>
>
> [15]           The documents that he submitted in relation to the
> alleged conflict for Justice Webb largely relate to dealings between
> Byron Prior and the St. John’s Newfoundland and Labrador office of
> Patterson Palmer, which is not in the same province where Justice Webb
> practiced law. The only document that indicates any dealing between
> Mr. Amos and Patterson Palmer is a copy of an affidavit of Stephen May
> who was a partner in the St. John’s NL office of Patterson Palmer. The
> affidavit is dated January 24, 2005 and refers to a number of e-mails
> that were sent by Mr. Amos to Stephen May. Mr. Amos also included a
> letter that is addressed to four individuals, one of whom is John
> Crosbie who was counsel to the St. John’s NL office of Patterson
> Palmer. The letter is dated September 2, 2004 and is addressed to
> “John Crosbie, c/o Greg G. Byrne, Suite 502, 570 Queen Street,
> Fredericton, NB E3B 5E3”. In this letter Mr. Amos alludes to a
> possible lawsuit against Patterson Palmer.
> [16]           Mr. Amos’ position is that simply because Justice Webb
> was a lawyer with Patterson Palmer, he now has a conflict. In Wewaykum
> Indian Band v. Her Majesty the Queen, 2003 SCC 45, [2003] 2 S.C.R.
> 259, the Supreme Court of Canada noted that disqualification of a
> judge is to be determined based on whether there is a reasonable
> apprehension of bias:
> 60        In Canadian law, one standard has now emerged as the
> criterion for disqualification. The criterion, as expressed by de
> Grandpré J. in Committee for Justice and Liberty v. National Energy
> Board, …[[1978] 1 S.C.R. 369, 68 D.L.R. (3d) 716], at p. 394, is the
> reasonable apprehension of bias:
> … the apprehension of bias must be a reasonable one, held by
> reasonable and right minded persons, applying themselves to the
> question and obtaining thereon the required information. In the words
> of the Court of Appeal, that test is "what would an informed person,
> viewing the matter realistically and practically -- and having thought
> the matter through -- conclude. Would he think that it is more likely
> than not that [the decision-maker], whether consciously or
> unconsciously, would not decide fairly."
>
> [17]           The issue to be determined is whether an informed
> person, viewing the matter realistically and practically, and having
> thought the matter through, would conclude that Mr. Amos’ allegations
> give rise to a reasonable apprehension of bias. As this Court has
> previously remarked, “there is a strong presumption that judges will
> administer justice impartially” and this presumption will not be
> rebutted in the absence of “convincing evidence” of bias (Collins v.
> Canada, 2011 FCA 140 at para. 7, [2011] 4 C.T.C. 157 [Collins]. See
> also R. v. S. (R.D.), [1997] 3 S.C.R. 484 at para. 32, 151 D.L.R.
> (4th) 193).
>
> [18]           The Ontario Court of Appeal in Rando Drugs Ltd. v.
> Scott, 2007 ONCA 553, 86 O.R. (3d) 653 (leave to appeal to the Supreme
> Court of Canada refused, 32285 (August 1, 2007)), addressed the
> particular issue of whether a judge is disqualified from hearing a
> case simply because he had been a member of a law firm that was
> involved in the litigation that was now before that judge. The Ontario
> Court of Appeal determined that the judge was not disqualified if the
> judge had no involvement with the person or the matter when he was a
> lawyer. The Ontario Court of Appeal also explained that the rules for
> determining whether a judge is disqualified are different from the
> rules to determine whether a lawyer has a conflict:
> 27        Thus, disqualification is not the natural corollary to a
> finding that a trial judge has had some involvement in a case over
> which he or she is now presiding. Where the judge had no involvement,
> as here, it cannot be said that the judge is disqualified.
>
>
> 28        The point can rightly be made that had Mr. Patterson been
> asked to represent the appellant as counsel before his appointment to
> the bench, the conflict rules would likely have prevented him from
> taking the case because his firm had formerly represented one of the
> defendants in the case. Thus, it is argued how is it that as a trial
> judge Patterson J. can hear the case? This issue was considered by the
> Court of Appeal (Civil Division) in Locabail (U.K.) Ltd. v. Bayfield
> Properties Ltd., [2000] Q.B. 451. The court held, at para. 58, that
> there is no inflexible rule governing the disqualification of a judge
> and that, "[e]verything depends on the circumstances."
>
>
> 29        It seems to me that what appears at first sight to be an
> inconsistency in application of rules can be explained by the
> different contexts and in particular, the strong presumption of
> judicial impartiality that applies in the context of disqualification
> of a judge. There is no such presumption in cases of allegations of
> conflict of interest against a lawyer because of a firm's previous
> involvement in the case. To the contrary, as explained by Sopinka J.
> in MacDonald Estate v. Martin (1990), 77 D.L.R. (4th) 249 (S.C.C.),
> for sound policy reasons there is a presumption of a disqualifying
> interest that can rarely be overcome. In particular, a conclusory
> statement from the lawyer that he or she had no confidential
> information about the case will never be sufficient. The case is the
> opposite where the allegation of bias is made against a trial judge.
> His or her statement that he or she knew nothing about the case and
> had no involvement in it will ordinarily be accepted at face value
> unless there is good reason to doubt it: see Locabail, at para. 19.
>
>
> 30        That brings me then to consider the particular circumstances
> of this case and whether there are serious grounds to find a
> disqualifying conflict of interest in this case. In my view, there are
> two significant factors that justify the trial judge's decision not to
> recuse himself. The first is his statement, which all parties accept,
> that he knew nothing of the case when it was in his former firm and
> that he had nothing to do with it. The second is the long passage of
> time. As was said in Wewaykum, at para. 85:
>             To us, one significant factor stands out, and must inform
> the perspective of the reasonable person assessing the impact of this
> involvement on Binnie J.'s impartiality in the appeals. That factor is
> the passage of time. Most arguments for disqualification rest on
> circumstances that are either contemporaneous to the decision-making,
> or that occurred within a short time prior to the decision-making.
> 31        There are other factors that inform the issue. The Wilson
> Walker firm no longer acted for any of the parties by the time of
> trial. More importantly, at the time of the motion, Patterson J. had
> been a judge for six years and thus had not had a relationship with
> his former firm for a considerable period of time.
>
>
> 32        In my view, a reasonable person, viewing the matter
> realistically would conclude that the trial judge could deal fairly
> and impartially with this case. I take this view principally because
> of the long passage of time and the trial judge's lack of involvement
> in or knowledge of the case when the Wilson Walker firm had carriage.
> In these circumstances it cannot be reasonably contended that the
> trial judge could not remain impartial in the case. The mere fact that
> his name appears on the letterhead of some correspondence from over a
> decade ago would not lead a reasonable person to believe that he would
> either consciously or unconsciously favour his former firm's former
> client. It is simply not realistic to think that a judge would throw
> off his mantle of impartiality, ignore his oath of office and favour a
> client - about whom he knew nothing - of a firm that he left six years
> earlier and that no longer acts for the client, in a case involving
> events from over a decade ago.
> (emphasis added)
>
> [19]           Justice Webb had no involvement with any matter
> involving Mr. Amos while he was a member of Patterson Palmer or
> Patterson Law, nor does Mr. Amos suggest that he did. Mr. Amos made it
> clear during the hearing of this matter that the only reason for the
> alleged conflict for Justice Webb was that he was a member of
> Patterson Law and Patterson Palmer. This is simply not enough for
> Justice Webb to be disqualified. Any involvement of Mr. Amos with
> Patterson Law while Justice Webb was a member of that firm would have
> had to occur over 10 years ago and even longer for the time when he
> was a member of Patterson Palmer. In addition to the lack of any
> involvement on his part with any matter or dispute that Mr. Amos had
> with Patterson Law or Patterson Palmer (which in and of itself is
> sufficient to dispose of this matter), the length of time since
> Justice Webb was a member of Patterson Law or Patterson Palmer would
> also result in the same finding – that there is no conflict in Justice
> Webb hearing this appeal.
>
> [20]           Similarly in R. v. Bagot, 2000 MBCA 30, 145 Man. R.
> (2d) 260, the Manitoba Court of Appeal found that there was no
> reasonable apprehension of bias when a judge, who had been a member of
> the law firm that had been retained by the accused, had no involvement
> with the accused while he was a lawyer with that firm.
>
> [21]           In Del Zotto v. Minister of National Revenue, [2000] 4
> F.C. 321, 257 N.R. 96, this court did find that there would be a
> reasonable apprehension of bias where a judge, who while he was a
> lawyer, had recorded time on a matter involving the same person who
> was before that judge. However, this case can be distinguished as
> Justice Webb did not have any time recorded on any files involving Mr.
> Amos while he was a lawyer with Patterson Palmer or Patterson Law.
>
> [22]           Mr. Amos also included with his submissions a CD. He
> stated in his affidavit dated June 26, 2017 that there is a “true copy
> of an American police surveillance wiretap entitled 139” on this CD.
> He has also indicated that he has “provided a true copy of the CD
> entitled 139 to many American and Canadian law enforcement authorities
> and not one of the police forces or officers of the court are willing
> to investigate it”. Since he has indicated that this is an “American
> police surveillance wiretap”, this is a matter for the American law
> enforcement authorities and cannot create, as Mr. Amos suggests, a
> conflict of interest for any judge to whom he provides a copy.
>
> [23]           As a result, there is no conflict or reasonable
> apprehension of bias for Justice Webb and therefore, no reason for him
> to recuse himself.
>
> [24]           Mr. Amos alleged that Justice Near’s past professional
> experience with the government created a “quasi-conflict” in deciding
> the cross-appeal. Mr. Amos provided no details and Justice Near
> confirmed that he had no prior knowledge of the matters alleged in the
> Claim. Justice Near sees no reason to recuse himself.
>
> [25]           Insofar as it is possible to glean the basis for Mr.
> Amos’ allegations against Justice Gleason, it appears that he alleges
> that she is incapable of hearing this appeal because he says he wrote
> a letter to Brian Mulroney and Jean Chrétien in 2004. At that time,
> both Justice Gleason and Mr. Mulroney were partners in the law firm
> Ogilvy Renault, LLP. The letter in question, which is rude and angry,
> begins with “Hey you two Evil Old Smiling Bastards” and “Re: me suing
> you and your little dogs too”. There is no indication that the letter
> was ever responded to or that a law suit was ever commenced by Mr.
> Amos against Mr. Mulroney. In the circumstances, there is no reason
> for Justice Gleason to recuse herself as the letter in question does
> not give rise to a reasonable apprehension of bias.
>
>
> III.               Issue
>
> [26]           The issue on the cross-appeal is as follows: Did the
> Judge err in setting aside the Prothonotary’s Order striking the Claim
> in its entirety without leave to amend and in determining that Mr.
> Amos’ allegation that the RCMP barred him from the New Brunswick
> legislature in 2004 was capable of supporting a cause of action?
>
> IV.              Analysis
>
> A.                 Standard of Review
>
> [27]           Following the Judge’s decision to set aside the
> Prothonotary’s Order, this Court revisited the standard of review to
> be applied to discretionary decisions of prothonotaries and decisions
> made by judges on appeals of prothonotaries’ decisions in Hospira
> Healthcare Corp. v. Kennedy Institute of Rheumatology, 2016 FCA 215,
> 402 D.L.R. (4th) 497 [Hospira]. In Hospira, a five-member panel of
> this Court replaced the Aqua-Gem standard of review with that
> articulated in Housen v. Nikolaisen, 2002 SCC 33, [2002] 2 S.C.R. 235
> [Housen]. As a result, it is no longer appropriate for the Federal
> Court to conduct a de novo review of a discretionary order made by a
> prothonotary in regard to questions vital to the final issue of the
> case. Rather, a Federal Court judge can only intervene on appeal if
> the prothonotary made an error of law or a palpable and overriding
> error in determining a question of fact or question of mixed fact and
> law (Hospira at para. 79). Further, this Court can only interfere with
> a Federal Court judge’s review of a prothonotary’s discretionary order
> if the judge made an error of law or palpable and overriding error in
> determining a question of fact or question of mixed fact and law
> (Hospira at paras. 82-83).
>
> [28]           In the case at bar, the Judge substituted his own
> assessment of Mr. Amos’ Claim for that of the Prothonotary. This Court
> must look to the Prothonotary’s Order to determine whether the Judge
> erred in law or made a palpable and overriding error in choosing to
> interfere.
>
>
> B.                 Did the Judge err in interfering with the
> Prothonotary’s Order?
>
> [29]           The Prothontoary’s Order accepted the following
> paragraphs from the Crown’s submissions as the basis for striking the
> Claim in its entirety without leave to amend:
>
> 17.       Within the 96 paragraph Statement of Claim, the Plaintiff
> addresses his complaint in paragraphs 14-24, inclusive. All but four
> of those paragraphs are dedicated to an incident that occurred in 2006
> in and around the legislature in New Brunswick. The jurisdiction of
> the Federal Court does not extend to Her Majesty the Queen in right of
> the Provinces. In any event, the Plaintiff hasn’t named the Province
> or provincial actors as parties to this action. The incident alleged
> does not give rise to a justiciable cause of action in this Court.
> (…)
>
>
> 21.       The few paragraphs that directly address the Defendant
> provide no details as to the individuals involved or the location of
> the alleged incidents or other details sufficient to allow the
> Defendant to respond. As a result, it is difficult or impossible to
> determine the causes of action the Plaintiff is attempting to advance.
> A generous reading of the Statement of Claim allows the Defendant to
> only speculate as to the true and/or intended cause of action. At
> best, the Plaintiff’s action may possibly be summarized as: he
> suspects he is barred from the House of Commons.
> [footnotes omitted].
>
>
> [30]           The Judge determined that he could not strike the Claim
> on the same jurisdictional basis as the Prothonotary. The Judge noted
> that the Federal Court has jurisdiction over claims based on the
> liability of Federal Crown servants like the RCMP and that the actors
> who barred Mr. Amos from the New Brunswick legislature in 2004
> included the RCMP (Federal Court Judgment at para. 23). In considering
> the viability of these allegations de novo, the Judge identified
> paragraph 14 of the Claim as containing “some precision” as it
> identifies the date of the event and a RCMP officer acting as
> Aide-de-Camp to the Lieutenant Governor (Federal Court Judgment at
> para. 27).
>
>
> [31]           The Judge noted that the 2004 event could support a
> cause of action in the tort of misfeasance in public office and
> identified the elements of the tort as excerpted from Meigs v. Canada,
> 2013 FC 389, 431 F.T.R. 111:
>
>
> [13]      As in both the cases of Odhavji Estate v Woodhouse, 2003 SCC
> 69 [Odhavji] and Lewis v Canada, 2012 FC 1514 [Lewis], I must
> determine whether the plaintiffs’ statement of claim pleads each
> element of the alleged tort of misfeasance in public office:
>
> a) The public officer must have engaged in deliberate and unlawful
> conduct in his or her capacity as public officer;
>
> b) The public officer must have been aware both that his or her
> conduct was unlawful and that it was likely to harm the plaintiff; and
>
> c) There must be an element of bad faith or dishonesty by the public
> officer and knowledge of harm alone is insufficient to conclude that a
> public officer acted in bad faith or dishonestly.
> Odhavji, above, at paras 23, 24 and 28
> (Federal Court Judgment at para. 28).
>
> [32]           The Judge determined that Mr. Amos disclosed sufficient
> material facts to meet the elements of the tort of misfeasance in
> public office because the actors, who barred him from the New
> Brunswick legislature in 2004, including the RCMP, did so for
> “political reasons” (Federal Court Judgment at para. 29).
>
> [33]           This Court’s discussion of the sufficiency of pleadings
> in Merchant Law Group v. Canada (Revenue Agency), 2010 FCA 184, 321
> D.L.R (4th) 301 is particularly apt:
>
> …When pleading bad faith or abuse of power, it is not enough to
> assert, baldly, conclusory phrases such as “deliberately or
> negligently,” “callous disregard,” or “by fraud and theft did steal”.
> “The bare assertion of a conclusion upon which the court is called
> upon to pronounce is not an allegation of material fact”. Making bald,
> conclusory allegations without any evidentiary foundation is an abuse
> of process…
>
> To this, I would add that the tort of misfeasance in public office
> requires a particular state of mind of a public officer in carrying
> out the impunged action, i.e., deliberate conduct which the public
> officer knows to be inconsistent with the obligations of his or her
> office. For this tort, particularization of the allegations is
> mandatory. Rule 181 specifically requires particularization of
> allegations of “breach of trust,” “wilful default,” “state of mind of
> a person,” “malice” or “fraudulent intention.”
> (at paras. 34-35, citations omitted).
>
> [34]           Applying the Housen standard of review to the
> Prothonotary’s Order, we are of the view that the Judge interfered
> absent a legal or palpable and overriding error.
>
> [35]           The Prothonotary determined that Mr. Amos’ Claim
> disclosed no reasonable claim and was fundamentally vexatious on the
> basis of jurisdictional concerns and the absence of material facts to
> ground a cause of action. Paragraph 14 of the Claim, which addresses
> the 2004 event, pleads no material facts as to how the RCMP officer
> engaged in deliberate and unlawful conduct, knew that his or her
> conduct was unlawful and likely to harm Mr. Amos, and acted in bad
> faith. While the Claim alleges elsewhere that Mr. Amos was barred from
> the New Brunswick legislature for political and/or malicious reasons,
> these allegations are not particularized and are directed against
> non-federal actors, such as the Sergeant-at-Arms of the Legislative
> Assembly of New Brunswick and the Fredericton Police Force. As such,
> the Judge erred in determining that Mr. Amos’ allegation that the RCMP
> barred him from the New Brunswick legislature in 2004 was capable of
> supporting a cause of action.
>
> [36]           In our view, the Claim is made up entirely of bare
> allegations, devoid of any detail, such that it discloses no
> reasonable cause of action within the jurisdiction of the Federal
> Courts. Therefore, the Judge erred in interfering to set aside the
> Prothonotary’s Order striking the claim in its entirety. Further, we
> find that the Prothonotary made no error in denying leave to amend.
> The deficiencies in Mr. Amos’ pleadings are so extensive such that
> amendment could not cure them (see Collins at para. 26).
>
> V.                 Conclusion
> [37]           For the foregoing reasons, we would allow the Crown’s
> cross-appeal, with costs, setting aside the Federal Court Judgment,
> dated January 25, 2016 and restoring the Prothonotary’s Order, dated
> November 12, 2015, which struck Mr. Amos’ Claim in its entirety
> without leave to amend.
> "Wyman W. Webb"
> J.A.
> "David G. Near"
> J.A.
> "Mary J.L. Gleason"
> J.A.
>
>
>
> FEDERAL COURT OF APPEAL
> NAMES OF COUNSEL AND SOLICITORS OF RECORD
>
> A CROSS-APPEAL FROM AN ORDER OF THE HONOURABLE JUSTICE SOUTHCOTT DATED
> JANUARY 25, 2016; DOCKET NUMBER T-1557-15.
> DOCKET:
>
> A-48-16
>
>
>
> STYLE OF CAUSE:
>
> DAVID RAYMOND AMOS v. HER MAJESTY THE QUEEN
>
>
>
> PLACE OF HEARING:
>
> Fredericton,
> New Brunswick
>
> DATE OF HEARING:
>
> May 24, 2017
>
> REASONS FOR JUDGMENT OF THE COURT BY:
>
> WEBB J.A.
> NEAR J.A.
> GLEASON J.A.
>
> DATED:
>
> October 30, 2017
>
> APPEARANCES:
> David Raymond Amos
>
>
> For The Appellant / respondent on cross-appeal
> (on his own behalf)
>
> Jan Jensen
>
>
> For The Respondent / appELLANT ON CROSS-APPEAL
>
> SOLICITORS OF RECORD:
> Nathalie G. Drouin
> Deputy Attorney General of Canada
>
> For The Respondent / APPELLANT ON CROSS-APPEAL
>

 

 

 

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