Tuesday, 9 July 2019

New Brunswick Premier Blaine Higgs abandons planned carbon tax court fight

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David R. Amos
Methinks these dudes should review all the emails from me they have been acknowledging since they got elected N'esy Pas? 




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Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2019 16:44:46 +0000
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Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2019 16:44:46 +0000
Subject: Automatic reply: YO Sean Fine say Hey to the sneaky Attorney
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From: David Amos <motomaniac333@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2019 12:44:41 -0400
Subject: YO Sean Fine say Hey to the sneaky Attorney General Louis
Sebert for me when you get back will ya?
To: David.Hansen@justice.gc.ca, jan.jensen@justice.gc.ca,
Nathalie.Drouin@justice.gc.ca, mcu <mcu@justice.gc.ca,
sfine@globeandmail.com, Newsroom@globeandmail.com,
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Robert_C_McLeod@gov.nt.ca, Wally_Schumann@gov.nt.ca,
Louis_Sebert@gov.nt.ca, PETER.MACKAY@bakermckenzie.com
,
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jus.minister@gov.sk.ca, g.wyant.mla@sasktel.net, minjus@leg.gov.mb.ca,
washington.field@ic.fbi.gov, Boston.Mail@ic.fbi.gov,
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Stephane.vaillancourt@rcmp-grc.gc.ca, Jody.Wilson-Raybould@parl.gc.ca,
Jane.Philpott@parl.gc.ca, Hunter.Tootoo@parl.gc.ca,
tony.clement@parl.gc.ca, Erin.Weir@parl.gc.ca,
hon.ralph.goodale@canada.ca, Wayne.Long@parl.gc.ca,
wayne.easter@parl.gc.ca,  Karen.Ludwig@parl.gc.ca,
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Matt.DeCourcey.c1@parl.gc.ca, Don.Allen@unb.ca, jfurey@nbpower.com,
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Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2019 15:46:21 +0000
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Back on July 15. Will respond to you then. S


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---------- Original message ----------
From: David Amos <motomaniac333@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2019 11:46:14 -0400
Subject: Atth Louis Sebert I am on the phone to you right now
To: Robert_C_McLeod@gov.nt.ca, Wally_Schumann@gov.nt.ca, Louis_Sebert@gov.nt.ca
Cc: david.raymond.amos333@gmail.com,
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From: David Amos <motomaniac333@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2017 16:19:58 -0400
Subject: Attn Attorney General Jody.Wilson-Raybould RE Your Mindless
Minion Jan Jensen and his very corrupt buddy Justice Rene leblanc
To: JAG.Minister@gov.bc.ca, suzanne.anton.mla@leg.bc.ca,
ministryofjustice@gov.ab.ca, Kathleen.Ganley@assembly.ab.ca,
jus.minister@gov.sk.ca, g.wyant.mla@sasktel.net, minjus@leg.gov.mb.ca,
tuxconst@mymts.net, attorneygeneral@ontario.ca,
ynaqvi.mpp@liberal.ola.org, ministre@justice.gouv.qc.ca,
svallee-gati@assnat.qc.ca, justice.comments@gnb.ca,
etmitchell@gov.pe.ca, sthorne@gov.pe.ca, premier@gov.pe.ca,
JUSTMIN@novascotia.ca, dianawhalen@gmail.com, justice@gov.nl.ca,
andrewparsons@gov.nl.ca, justice@gov.yk.ca, Tracy.McPhee@gov.yk.ca,
Louis_Sebert@gov.nt.ca, justice@gov.nu.ca, kpeterson@gov.nu.ca, David
Amos <david.raymond.amos@gmail.com>, "PETER.MACKAY"
<PETER.MACKAY@bakermckenzie.com>, "Marc.Litt"
<Marc.Litt@bakermckenzie.com>, washington field
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"James.Comey" <James.Comey@ic.fbi.gov>, "bob.paulson"
<bob.paulson@rcmp-grc.gc.ca>, "Gilles.Blinn"
<Gilles.Blinn@rcmp-grc.gc.ca>, "Dale.Morgan"
<Dale.Morgan@rcmp-grc.gc.ca>, "Stephane.vaillancourt"
<Stephane.vaillancourt@rcmp-grc.gc.ca>, sfine <sfine@globeandmail.com>
Cc: mcu@justice.gc.ca, Jody.Wilson-Raybould@parl.gc.ca, "jan.jensen"
<jan.jensen@justice.gc.ca>, "david.hansen"
<david.hansen@justice.gc.ca>, "Baumberg, Andrew"
<Andrew.Baumberg@cas-satj.gc.ca>, "andrew.baumberg"
<andrew.baumberg@fct-cf.gc.ca>, postur <postur@for.is>,
Michael.Kowalchuk@cas-satj.gc.ca, "bill.pentney"
<bill.pentney@justice.gc.ca>, premier <premier@gnb.ca>,
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I just encountered Harper's and MacKay's favourite lawyer/judge and
your mindless minion Jan Jensen in Federal Court and Justice Rene
Leblanc was truly nasty .Now look out for another lawsuit about the
CROWN'S coverup wiretap tapes of the MOB.

LIEbranos and the CBC should remember this debate N'esy Pas Petey Baby MacKay?"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DyNx6QEHqRA

Or this talk show

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lgTsmzbasCA&t=317s

You lawyers and cops can bet dimes to dollars that if any of the
crooked judges i have crossed paths with in the Federal Court of
Appeal dismiss my complaint after we celebrate the Quees'd birthday
this year trust that I will put the matter before Lelbanc's friends in
the Supreme Court in a heartbeat. Obviously you have my word on it

Veritas Vincit
David Raymond Amos

Enjoy reviewing the rest of this email.Mr Jenson



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From: "Kowalchuk, Michael" <Michael.Kowalchuk@cas-satj.gc.ca>
Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2017 20:36:06 +0000
Subject: Direction of the Federal Court (T-1557-15) David Raymond Amos
v. Her Majesty The Queen
To: "motomaniac333@gmail.com" <motomaniac333@gmail.com>,
"jan.jensen@justice.gc.ca" <jan.jensen@justice.gc.ca>

Good afternoon,

Please find attached a Direction of the Court dated March 31, 2017 on
the above-noted matter (copy has also been sent via facsimile).

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http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/supreme-court-justices-express-skepticism-about-harpers-latest-appointment/article16342404/

A skeptical Supreme Court weighs the future of Harper’s controversial
appointment
Sean Fine - Justice Writer The Globe and Mail
Published Wednesday, Jan. 15, 2014 11:44AM EST

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From: "Hansen, David" <David.Hansen@justice.gc.ca>
Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2017 20:20:08 +0000
Subject: Automatic reply: Attn Attorney General Jody.Wilson-Raybould
RE Your Mindless Minion Jan Jensen and his very corrupt buddy Justice
Rene leblanc
To: David Amos <motomaniac333@gmail.com>

I will be away from the office March 1, 2017 until June 5, 2017.
Please contact Monique Lefebvre at (902) 426-5804 or by email,
monique.lefebvre@justice.gc.ca, for assistance.   Ginette Mazerolle
will be acting in my absence.

Je serais absent du bureau le 1 mars 2017 jusqu'au 5 juin 2017.
Veuillez contacter Monique Lefebvre au (902) 426-5804 ou par courriel,
monique.lefebvre@justice.gc.ca, pour assistance.  Ginette Mazerolle
agira de façon intérimaire pendant mon absence.


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From: NATALIA OLIVEIRA JOHNSTON <natalia.johnston@cbc.ca>
Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2017 13:20:09 -0700
Subject: Out of office Re: Attn Attorney General Jody.Wilson-Raybould
RE Your Mindless Minion Jan Jensen and his very corrupt buddy Justice
Rene leblanc
To: motomaniac333@gmail.com

Please note that I'm currently out of office and will return on
Tuesday, April 4.

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From: David Amos <motomaniac333@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2019 08:06:12 -0400
Subject: YO Premier McLeod Enjoy and say Hey to the 3 Stooges for me will ya?
To: premier <premier@gov.nt.ca>
Cc: David Amos <david.raymond.amos333@gmail.com>



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From: "OfficeofthePremier, Office PREM:EX" <Premier@gov.bc.ca>
Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2019 12:02:21 +0000
Subject: Automatic reply: Yo Premier McLeod Enjoy and say Hey to the 3 Stooges for me will ya?
To: David Amos <motomaniac333@gmail.com>

Hello,

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From: Premier of Ontario | Premier ministre de l’Ontario <Premier@ontario.ca>
Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2019 12:02:20 +0000
Subject: Automatic reply: Yo Premier McLeod Enjoy and say Hey to the 3 Stooges for me will ya?
To: David Amos <motomaniac333@gmail.com>

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From: Premier <PREMIER@leg.gov.mb.ca>
Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2019 12:02:23 +0000
Subject: Auto Reply Premier’s Secretariat
To: David Amos <motomaniac333@gmail.com>

On behalf of The Honourable Brian Pallister, Premier of Manitoba, we would like to acknowledge receipt of your email.

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From: Premier <PREMIER@novascotia.ca>
Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2019 12:02:21 +0000
Subject: Automatic Reply
To: David Amos <motomaniac333@gmail.com>

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---------- Original message ----------
From: David Amos <motomaniac333@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2019 08:02:15 -0400
Subject: Yo Premier McLeod Enjoy and say Hey to the 3 Stooges for me will ya?
To: oldmaison@yahoo.com, charles.murray@gnb.ca, robert.mckee@gnb.ca,
greg.byrne@gnb.ca, serge.rousselle@gnb.ca, david.eidt@gnb.ca,
andrea.anderson-mason@gnb.ca, hugh.flemming@gnb.ca,
Roger.Brown@fredericton.ca, martin.gaudet@fredericton.ca,
Dale.Morgan@rcmp-grc.gc.ca, news@kingscorecord.com,
dwayne.woodman@rcmp-grc.gc.ca, brian.gallant@gnb.ca,
Kevin.Vickers@gnb.ca, david.raymond.amos333@gmail.com,
gov.press@state.ma.us, bob.ross@state.ma.us, pm@pm.gc.ca,
Katie.Telford@pmo-cpm.gc.ca, premier@ontario.ca, premier@gnb.ca,
scott.moe@gov.sk.ca, premier@gov.ab.ca, premier@gov.yk.ca,
PREMIER@gov.ns.ca, premier@gov.pe.ca, premier@gov.nl.ca,
premier@gov.bc.ca, premier premier@leg.gov.mb.ca
Cc: david.raymond.amos@gmail.com, Matt.DeCourcey@parl.gc.ca

 https://davidraymondamos3.blogspot.com/2019/07/a-premiers-meeting-without-fed-bashing.html

Monday, 8 July 2019

A premiers' meeting without fed-bashing? Don't bet on it


---------- Original message ----------
From: Premier of Ontario | Premier ministre de l’Ontario <Premier@ontario.ca>
Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2019 13:29:42 +0000
Subject: Automatic reply: Methinks Blaine Higgs and Doug Ford should
have a long talk about my NEXT 3 lawsuits with Mr Prime Minister
Trudeau The Younger ASAP N'esy Pas Minister Lamett?/i
To: David Amos <motomaniac333@gmail.com>

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https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/jason-kenney-premiers-calgary-stampede-1.5203338


Premiers to meet at Calgary Stampede in advance of Council of the Federation


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Al Jamison
Kenney is meeting with Ontario's Doug Ford, Saskatchewan's Scott Moe,
New Brunswick's Blaine Higgs and Bob McLeod of the Northwest
Territories ahead of this week's Council of the Federation meeting in
Saskatoon.
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Not that there is anything going on, it was just that they needed to
talk...alone.


David R. Amos
Reply to @Al Jamison: Methinks Bobby McLeod must be very confused by
the other 3 stooges about now N'esy Pas?



https://davidraymondamos3.blogspot.com/2019/07/new-brunswick-premier-blaine-higgs.html


Tuesday, 9 July 2019

New Brunswick Premier Blaine Higgs abandons planned carbon tax court fight

---------- Original message ----------
From: Premier of Ontario | Premier ministre de l’Ontario <Premier@ontario.ca>
Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2019 10:02:30 +0000
Subject: Automatic reply: YO Dougy Ford say Hey to Matt Decourcey Mr
Higgs and Mr Moe for me will ya?
To: David Amos <motomaniac333@gmail.com>

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---------- Original message ----------
From: David Amos <motomaniac333@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2019 06:01:39 -0400
Subject: YO Dougy Ford say Hey to Matt Decourcey Mr Higgs and Mr Moe
for me will ya?
To: oldmaison@yahoo.com, charles.murray@gnb.ca, robert.mckee@gnb.ca,
greg.byrne@gnb.ca, serge.rousselle@gnb.ca, david.eidt@gnb.ca,
andrea.anderson-mason@gnb.ca, hugh.flemming@gnb.ca,
Roger.Brown@fredericton.ca, martin.gaudet@fredericton.ca,
Dale.Morgan@rcmp-grc.gc.ca, news@kingscorecord.com,
dwayne.woodman@rcmp-grc.gc.ca, brian.gallant@gnb.ca,
Kevin.Vickers@gnb.ca, david.raymond.amos333@gmail.com,
gov.press@state.ma.us, bob.ross@state.ma.us, pm@pm.gc.ca,
Katie.Telford@pmo-cpm.gc.ca, premier@ontario.ca, premier@gnb.ca,
scott.moe@gov.sk.ca, premier@gov.ab.ca, premier@gov.yk.ca
Cc: david.raymond.amos@gmail.com, Matt.DeCourcey@parl.gc.ca

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/blaine-higgs-carbon-tax-court-1.5204591

New Brunswick Premier Blaine Higgs abandons planned carbon tax court fight

'It wouldn't make sense for me to ... use taxpayer dollars to go and
present the same case'
Peter Zimonjic, Vassy Kapelos · CBC News · Posted: Jul 08, 2019 7:29 PM ET

"The Liberal MP for Fredericton, Matt Decourcey, said premiers opposed
to the federal carbon backstop should end their legal attacks on the
policy and focus on fighting climate change.

"Two courts have rejected Conservative politicians' attempts to play
politics with the federal price on pollution. Premier Higgs should
clearly state that he won't intervene in Saskatchewan's appeal to the
Supreme Court," said Decourcey."


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From: Office of the Premier <scott.moe@gov.sk.ca>
Date: Wed, 2 May 2018 15:14:07 +0000
Subject: FW: If Premier Moe wants my help against Carbon Tax Now is
the time for Saskatchewan and I to bury the hachet
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Whereas the RCMP and computer geeks such as Ali Ghorbani and Arash
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Clearly I made another tonight

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Now I know why Ali Ghorbani and Arash Habibi Lashkari never called me
back Everything is political and its always about the money N'esy Pas
Franky McKenna and Billy Morneau?


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http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/td-bank-cybersecurity-1.4641545

TD Bank joins Canadian Institute for Cybersecurity The Canadian Press
· Posted: Apr 30, 2018 1:51 PM ET |

The institute's cybersecurity graduate students will work with TD
technology teams to develop new ways to detect and deal with online
threats. (Mark J. Terrill/Associated Press)

The TD Bank Group has become the first Canadian bank to join the
Canadian Institute for Cybersecurity — a centre for cyber technology
research at the University of New Brunswick in Fredericton.

Ali Ghorbani, the director of the institute, says having the bank
become a founding corporate member validates the work they are doing
to become a hub of cybersecurity research and development.

"Cyber threats are everywhere and financial institutions are at the
top of the list for cyber criminals to penetrate and do damages,"
Ghorbani said.

    Bank of Canada warns financial sector vulnerable to cyberattacks

"Our centre has 20-plus years of experience doing research and
development in cybersecurity. In the last four or five years we have
been focusing primarily on threat intelligence and threat analysis and
risk analysis and management," he said.

The institute's cybersecurity graduate students will work with TD
technology teams to develop new ways to detect and deal with online
threats.

"Our teams are developing next-generation technology solutions in
partnership with leading industry players like TD, deepening defences
against emerging cyber threats not just in Canada but around the
world," Ghorbani said.

Frank McKenna, deputy chairman at TD, said protecting online data is
"mission critical" for the bank because they are under constant
attacks from hackers.

"We have 25 million customers and their data is a sacred trust,"
McKenna said in an interview.

    Federal budget to spend up to $1 billion on cybersecurity

"Our technology teams have looked all over the world and we're
extraordinarily pleased to find some of the world's leading experts
are right at UNB."

McKenna said the bank plans to invest hundreds of thousands of dollars
in the institute and will open an office on site with up to 20
employees to start with.

He said the Canadian centre is needed, despite the fact that TD also
recently announced the opening of a cybersecurity office in Israel.

    AI gives Canadian companies an edge in fight against hacking

"Israel is an acknowledged expert in cybersecurity but UNB is also
recognized as a global expert in cybersecurity," he said.

McKenna said the bank is already collaborating with the university and
will begin investing the money and developing office space in the
coming year.

There have been reports that estimate the global cost of cybercrime
exceeded $600 billion last year.


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Methinks Everybody and his dog must know why your pal Jacques Poitras
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http://www.macleans.ca/politics/saskatchewan-is-launching-a-court-reference-that-just-might-kill-the-carbon-tax/


Saskatchewan is launching a court reference that just might kill the carbon tax

Scott Moe, the province’s unassuming premier, sets out to fulfill the
conservative dream to vanquishing Trudeau’s carbon-pricing plan. But
what if he fails?
by Jason Markusoff

Apr 25, 2018

Prime Minister Justin Trudeau and Saskatchewan Premier Scott Moe meet
at the Legislative Building in Regina in March THE CANADIAN
PRESS/Michael Bell

Long before Doug Ford gets a chance as premier to wage his
scrap-the-tax war against Ontario’s cap-and-trade system, and Justin
Trudeau’s carbon price program; before Alberta’s Jason Kenney can win
the right to combat evil Ottawa’s “tax on everything” diktat, a
bespectacled, low-talking man in Regina by the name of Scott Moe will
have his say. If any provincial figure can slay Trudeau’s carbon tax
system, it might be the Saskatchewanian you probably haven’t heard of,
not the better-known and louder conservative politicians from bigger
provinces. Moe is helped by the fact that, unlike Kenney and Ford, he
already holds power. He became Brad Wall’s subdued replacement as
Saskatchewan Party leader and premier in January, after the
charismatic Wall decided it was time to grow a beard and call it a
career. Being premier, rather than merely leading in the polls ahead
of an election, means a politician gets to do all sorts of
powerful-sounding things, like send a reference question to his
province’s highest court in hopes of declaring disagreeable federal
legislation unconstitutional. And so Moe did on Wednesday, formally
challenging the federal Liberals’ bid to impose a $10-per-tonne carbon
price next year on any province without its own carbon tax or
cap-and-trade scheme.

He has been as rhetorically steadfast against the carbon tax as Wall,
Ford or Kenney. And while generally not as flashy as any of them, the
new premier did lob a “just watch me” at the second Prime Minister
Trudeau in his victory speech earlier this year. Moe has now
outsourced the argumentation to a provincial legal team. Even if this
is the longshot most legal scholars say it is, court offers an arena
where conservatives get to find out whether their political lines
about Ottawa’s meddling actually have merit.

If Ford wins the election in June, he might have a few weeks before
the deadline for Ontario to seek intervenor status on Saskatchewan’s
carbon tax legal reference. Kenney, who must wait until spring for the
Alberta election against NDP Premier Rachel Notley, can only provide
moral support to Moe’s challenge. But should the Saskatchewan Court of
Appeal reject the province’s arguments, a Premier Kenney may,
depending on timing, still have a chance to get on board: Moe tells
Maclean’s he’s willing to take the case to the Supreme Court of
Canada.

    RELATED: Moe problems: The tall task awaiting Saskatchewan’s new premier

Win or lose, this will be the benchmark case whose decision Moe,
Kenney or Ford would have to accept, says Ted Morton, a constitutional
scholar and executive-in-residence with the University of Calgary
School of Public Policy.

The reference question, he says, is their “first and best line of
defence.” “It’s not impossible to imagine subsequent attempts to
frustrate implementation of the tax with further legal challenges,
similar to what B.C. is doing with the Kinder Morgan pipeline. But I
think the courts would get pretty impatient with that type of thing if
the Supreme Court has already made a ruling on the key jurisdictional
issue,” says Morton, a former Alberta energy minster.

One would hope that, as Kenney and Moe urge B.C. Premier John Horgan
to respect the generally understood authority of the federal
government to regulate interprovincial projects like pipelines, they
would follow suit if courts determine the carbon tax is Ottawa’s to
implement. But that’s a few hypothetical steps too many down the road
(Meanwhile, the B.C. government is about to drop a judicial reference
asking who can regulate bitumen flow, which means Trudeau’s government
will face constitutional questions on the issues he often claims go
hand-in-hand: energy and the environment).

Saskatchewan’s reference question is a broad, standard and
straightforward one: would the Greenhouse Gas Pollution Pricing Act
introduced in Parliament in March “be unconstitutional in whole or in
part” if enacted? In an interview with Maclean’s, Moe says his
government is confident  it will succeed, and can instead stick with
its climate change plan that emphasizes sequestering emissions from
coal-fired power plants and energy operations, “so that we can move
the carbon content in our atmosphere. That’s the environmental goal
here. The environmental goal is not to move jobs or industries to
other areas of the world that have less cost of doing business.”

    READ MORE: Why Saskatchewan is still holding out on the feds’ climate plan

For a while last year, when Wall was fighting this one for
Saskatchewan, it appeared the province with Canada’s highest
per-capita carbon emissions wouldn’t be standing alone. Manitoba and
Brian Pallister, its Tory premier, were also opposed. But instead of a
reference, Manitoba sought a legal opinion, and University of Manitoba
law professor Bryan Schwartz was so downbeat about the province’s
prospects that Pallister conceded his province needed its own
provincial carbon price, not a court battle to resist a federally
imposed tax: “If we just say ‘no,’ we get Trudeau. If we go to court,
we lose.”

Schwartz informed Manitoba last fall that the Supreme Court would
likely uphold Ottawa’s taxation power, and that enacting a federal
carbon levy in a province only as a “backstop” for policy laggards
should be accepted as part of “cooperative federalism.”

The weight of Canadian legal and scholarly opinion agrees that there
is federal jurisdiction to impose carbon levies, says Eric Adams,
University of Alberta associate professor of law. “There’s no line in
the constitution that you point to with the words ‘carbon tax,’ and in
some ways this is a new ballgame for the various governments. In part,
that small margin of uncertainty is where provincial opponents have
been hanging their hats for some time,” Adams says.

Schwartz did, however, suggest one “credible (but untested) argument”
a province could mount—that if their own plans reduced emissions as
effectively as a federally preferred pricing scheme, Ottawa would be
“acting inconsistently with the principle that all provinces have
equal authority to legislate within areas of provincial jurisdiction.”

    RELATED: Canada’s phony debate about carbon taxes

This is primarily where Moe says his province will go in its court
reference. “The attempt by the federal government to impose a carbon
backstop on the province of Saskatchewan, and only the province of
Saskatchewan to date, is contrary to the principles of federalism and
our constitution,” he says.

The use of such backstops is not new, says Natalie Chalifour,
co-director of the Centre for Environmental Law and Global
Sustainability at University of Ottawa. She notes that the federal
Species at Risk Act, includes a similar measure if provinces or
territories are not effectively protecting species. “Ottawa choose
this route in order to give the provinces maximum flexibility to
choose the carbon pricing system that is best suited to them, rather
than dictating one approach,” she says.

Regardless of the legal odds, this does put Saskatchewan’s premier at
the forefront of attempts to thwart Trudeau’s national carbon price
standards. But the judicial battle may still be winding its way
through courts by the time another Saskatchewan conservative,
Opposition Leader Andrew Scheer, gets his chance in next fall’s
federal election to test the merits of a carbon tax, and overturn it,
in the court of public opinion.





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Methinks if Deputy Premier Gauvin ain't Happy Happy Happy he will cause the PANB to pitch a fit and we will hear from Mr Higgs no more N'esy Pas?

https://davidraymondamos3.blogspot.com/2019/07/new-brunswick-premier-blaine-higgs.html

  
 


https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/blaine-higgs-carbon-tax-court-1.5204591 





New Brunswick Premier Blaine Higgs abandons planned carbon tax court fight



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David R. Amos 
Surprise Surprise Surprise




Mar Pell
One premier saw the light


Duncan Hunter
Reply to @Mar Pell: LOL...yeah he did...in a minority government propped up by the Greens & a hardcore populist 


David R. Amos 
Reply to @Duncan Hunter: Methinks Mr Higgs relies on only one dude for his mandate to to survive. If Deputy Premier Gauvin ain't Happy Happy Happy he will cause the PANB to pitch a fit and Humpty Dumpty will take a nosedive Then we will hear from Mr Higgs no more N'esy Pas?  











Duncan Hunter
Wow...something flashed between his ears while he was eating his own body weight in stampede pancakes


David R. Amos  
Reply to @Duncan Hunter: Nope Methinks Vickers would agree that it was his plan all along but then Vickers would agree with anything N'esy Pas?











Brent Grywinski
I don't usually congratulate Conservative leaders but good for Mr. Higgs seeing the writing on the wall and saving New Brunswick tax payers their money for better things.


David R. Amos 
Reply to @Brent Grywinski: Yea Rght 
 

Jack Richards
It's the fault of Trudeau and Mckenna.


David R. Amos 
Reply to @Jack Richards: Of course









John McInerney
A somewhat less than enthusiastic member of the kenney carbon cabal ? However more sensible in not spending taxpayers $$ on a ritual action.


David R. Amos  
Reply to @John McInerney: Methinks some folks are too easily hoodwinked if they can fall for the rhetoric of Mr Higgs N'esy Pas?











Roger Jerome
Quebec is in the frey now


David R. Amos 
Reply to @Roger Jerome: Methinks Quebeckers always do what is best for the French Quebec N'esy Pas?










Mac Isaac
The specious game "plan" of Mr. Higgs is abundantly clear as is evidenced by some of his Con supporters...see below for samples: wait until the federal election and hope and pray that the Cons win. They won't but to the Cons it seems their one and only chance because as most reputable legal scholars have been saying from the getgo: the carbon pricing plan enacted by the Government of Canada is totally legal by any and all criteria. In fact, the one and only reason these Con Premiers are against this form of carbon pricing is 100% because THIS man, THIS Trudeau had the temerity to steal THEIR plan...check back in the very recent past and you will find the Conservatives offered carbon pricing as theirs! Their problem seems also to be that almost everybody accepts the fact we are facing global weather calamities...the Cons either don't accept that fact or want to offer, now that the Government of Canada has "stolen" their plan, some watered down excuse for a "plan"...their other problem is that most other Parties, to lesser or greater degrees, accept carbon pricing as the best way for Canada to contribute to lessening our CO2 emissions. Even in Mr. Higgs own province he has support from only a minority of the population...and that is only because the previous Liberal leader performed in a less than stellar manner prior to and during the election.
"Social Licence" is a term that's been bandied about a lot lately...well Premier Higgs has little or no social licence for some of his policies. In this regard, he's very similar to the previous Premier: THEY JUST DON'T L-I-S-T-E-N! They own hear what they want to hear...from others who share their views and values and sundry other sycophants. It's no way to govern.


Harvey Bishop
Reply to @Mac Isaac: How correct you are. Ed Stelmach and Gordon Campbell put in carbon taxes before the federal Liberals did. Preston Manning supports the carbon tax. Former Ontario PC leader, Patrick Brown supports the carbon tax. CPC MP, Michael Chong, supports the carbon tax. Jason Kenney does too, but makes people believe otherwise. So does Andrew Scheer. The oil companies said they supported a carbon tax, way before Justin Trudeau was in power. Preston Manning said that a carbon tax fits in with Conservative principles.


David R. Amos 
Reply to @Mac Isaac: "Social Licence" is a term that's been bandied about a lot lately."

Methinks you just used it too N'esy Pas?






Kelly Sherrard
All talk, no action..... enough said


David R. Amos 
Reply to @kelly sherrard: Not really











Jim Redmond
Oooo --- a tiny province abandons the fight against the Mr. Trudeau (he's not my Prime Minister) carbon revenue expropriation scheme --- New Brunswick is doing that so it can get a $14.5MM climate change research center like PEI did.


Steph Millar 
Reply to @Jim Redmond: If you're not Canadian why are you clogging up this board?


David R. Amos 
Reply to @Steph Millar: Methinks he thinks he is a special kind of Canadian Nesy Pas?










Jim Redmond
He prefers a $14.5MM climate change research center like PEI just got --- pure greed.


David R. Amos 
Reply to @Jim Redmond: Cry me a river









Buford Wilson
Blaine is still opposed to the carbon tax. And rightly so.
Justin is tearing our country apart

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Mo Bennet 
Reply to @Buford Wilson: reformacons will tear it apart even more. remember Steve?


George Bath
Reply to @Buford Wilson: write a song buford, its good therapy for your woes


David R. Amos 
Reply to @mo bennett: Steve Who?


Premiers say they want a 'cooperative' approach to climate policy. Are they serious?

Premiers' criticisms of carbon pricing mask the tensions within their own coalition



Aaron Wherry · CBC News ·


Alberta Premier Jason Kenney, second left, hosts a Stampede breakfast with visiting premiers, left to right, Doug Ford of Ontario, Blaine Higgs of New Brunswick, and Scott Moe of Saskatchewan, in Calgary, Monday, July 8. (Jeff McIntosh/The Canadian Press)


If Justin Trudeau had been feeling mischievous on Monday night, he might have called up Jason Kenney and made the Alberta premier an offer: if the 13 provincial and territorial premiers could, after their meetings this week, explain how they would collectively meet Canada's 2030 target for greenhouse gas emissions reductions, the federal government would repeal the national carbon price.

Given the vehemence of their opposition to that carbon pricing policy, presumably at least some of those premiers would be hard-pressed to refuse such an offer.

But then, they'd have to actually come up with a plan for 2030.

"My hope is that the current federal government returns to its initial promise of a cooperative approach to federalism. None of us, nor do our citizens, appreciate a message that it's either Ottawa's way or the highway," Kenney said on Monday afternoon in Calgary, where he had convened the 'Gang of 5' — himself, Ontario's Doug Ford, Saskatchewan's Scott Moe, New Brunswick's Blaine Higgs and Bob McLeod of the Northwest Territories — for a show of political and ideological strength before the actual meeting of the Council of the Federation in Saskatoon.

'Cooperation' vs. 'threats'


"I think all provinces and territories at this table have been prepared to work with Ottawa on reducing carbon emissions and greenhouse gas emissions and constructive solutions to the challenge of climate change, but in a way that does not impair economic growth," Kenney added. "So rather than threats, we would prefer cooperation."

Typically, when premiers refer to "cooperation" with the federal government, they mean "money," flowing freely from the federal government into provincial accounts.

But the larger message of the challenges against federal climate policy launched by Kenney, Moe and Ford — and supported by Higgs — is that the federal government should leave it to the provinces to cut emissions.

"None of us are denying climate is changing, dramatically, in Canada and throughout the world. And every one of us is focused on meeting our emissions targets," Higgs said near the end of Monday's news conference. "The only strategic difference here is that we believe we can do so not through taxing people more, but through innovation."

Here is where the math on provincial climate autonomy begins to look wobbly.


A highway loops around a tailings pond at the Syncrude facility as seen from a helicopter tour of the oilsands near Fort McMurray, Alta., on July 10, 2012. between 2005 and 2017, emissions in Alberta and Saskatchewan increased by 18 per cent and 14 per cent, respectively. (Jeff McIntosh/THE CANADIAN PRESS)

As Higgs noted on Monday, his province is committed to reducing its emissions by 30 per cent below 2005 levels by 2030, in line with Canada's national target. And New Brunswick has nearly achieved that goal already — through 2017, the province's emissions had declined 28 per cent.

If Higgs could convince his allies to match his province's targeted and actual reductions, the Gang of 5 would have the makings of a real interprovincial plan to combat climate change.

But neither Alberta nor Saskatchewan is operating with a provincial target for 2030 (Manitoba also lacks a 2030 target). More important, between 2005 and 2017, emissions in Alberta and Saskatchewan actually increased by 18 per cent and 14 per cent, respectively.

Both provinces, of course, are heavily dependent on emissions-intensive resource development. As a result, the likelihood of either province agreeing to reduce its emissions by 30 per cent — or of even being able to reduce their emissions by that much in that timeframe — is effectively nil.

That's not necessarily a problem, as long as some of the other provinces are willing to reduce their emissions by more than 30 per cent — particularly Ontario, Quebec and British Columbia.


Ontario's 'fair share'


For a while, all three of those provinces were committed to doing more. Quebec is still committed to reducing emissions by 37.5 per cent below 1990 levels and British Columbia is aiming to reduce emissions by 40 per cent below 2007 levels. But under Premier Ford's direction, Ontario has backtracked.

Under Kathleen Wynne, Ontario had pledged to match Quebec's target: 37 per cent below 1990 levels. But the Ford government has opted to set a new target in line with the national commitment: 30 per cent below 2005 levels.

The Ford government describes this as Ontario's "fair share." But that only puts more pressure on Kenney and Moe, the two premiers seated to Ford's left in Calgary on Monday.
The united front of the anti-carbon-pricing gang conceals those significant internal tensions.
Negotiating a national plan with an emphasis on provincial autonomy inevitably would run up against such differences. Indeed, Canada's ability to set a responsible national target — to meaningfully contribute to the global effort to combat a global threat — could be hamstrung.

Focusing on national standards for climate policy has at least allowed the Trudeau government to avoid a fraught discussion about dividing up responsibility between the provinces.

Still, if Kenney's crew wanted to mount a serious response to the federal carbon price, it could start by squaring the tensions within its own coalition and presenting a plan for putting Canada on track to meet its 2030 target. (How they would do so without a broad carbon levy, and without imposing even higher economic, public or consumer costs, would be particularly interesting to see.)

Failing that, we are left to wonder whether this fight between Trudeau and "the resistance" is less about carbon pricing or provincial autonomy — and more about how hard Canada should try to meet its international commitment to fight climate change.

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Aaron Wherry has covered Parliament Hill since 2007 and has written for Maclean's, the National Post and the Globe and Mail.
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New Brunswick Premier Blaine Higgs abandons planned carbon tax court fight

'It wouldn't make sense for me to ... use taxpayer dollars to go and present the same case'

Peter Zimonjic, Vassy Kapelos · CBC News ·

New Brunswick Premier Blaine Higgs says his government will not launch a separate court challenge of the federal government's carbon tax, despite promising to do so in December. (Stephen MacGillivray/Canadian Press)

New Brunswick Premier Blaine Higgs is abandoning his government's plans to launch a legal challenge of Ottawa's carbon tax, adding the government will continue intervening in Saskatchewan's ongoing legal challenge of the federal carbon pricing backstop.

"Right now I won't be moving forward separately to have another court challenge in the province, but I will be working with Saskatchewan in their Supreme Court challenge," Higgs told CBC News Network's Power & Politics.

Asked why his government decided not to pursue its own challenge, Higgs said it wouldn't "make sense."


"Why would I, at this point, without being able to present a different argument ... it wouldn't make sense for me to go and use taxpayer dollars to go and present the same case," he told host Vassy Kapelos.

Under the federal government's pan-Canadian climate framework, all provinces were required to come up with a method to price carbon in order to reduce climate-altering carbon emissions. Provinces that failed to deliver their own carbon taxes or cap-and-trade plans became subject to the federal carbon tax backstop at a rate of $20 on every tonne of greenhouse gas emissions in 2019, rising by $10 each year to $50 a tonne by 2022.
That federal backstop has been imposed or announced in Ontario, Manitoba, New Brunswick, Saskatchewan and Alberta. Ontario and Saskatchewan both launched legal challenges of the carbon backstop that failed in provincial courts.

New Brunswick was an intervener in both cases and will remain one in the Saskatchewan case as the province takes the matter to the Supreme Court of Canada.

In the meantime, Higgs said, the attorney general for New Brunswick will meet with counterparts from other provinces to "talk about next steps."

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N.B. Premier @BlaineHiggs says his province won't move forward with its own legal challenge against the carbon tax, but his attorney general will consider next steps: "It wouldn't make sense for me to use tax payer dollars to go and present the same case" as Ont. and Sask.

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On Dec 5, 2018, Higgs' government stated that "the province will also be launching its own legal challenge" of the federal backstop, but it has made no moves on that front since the announcement was made.

The federal government acknowledges that the backstop will increase the cost of living but has vowed to return the money it raises from it to the people in the provinces where it was collected, in the form of rebates.

Higgs told Kapelos that he objects to the federal carbon tax in part because he fears that federal politicians will find a way to spend that revenue stream down the road.
The federal Liberals say the size of the carbon tax rebate payments will vary by province, and by the number of people in a household, but 80 per cent of Canadians will get more back in the rebate than they pay through the tax.

Those households (defined as 2.6 people) that claimed the incentive on their 2018 tax returns would have received a rebate of $300 in Ontario, $248 in New Brunswick, $336 in Manitoba and $598 in Saskatchewan.

Alberta scrapped its own carbon tax last month. The federal government has since announced the backstop will apply in Alberta starting on Jan. 1, 2020.

The Liberal MP for Fredericton, Matt Decourcey, said premiers opposed to the federal carbon backstop should end their legal attacks on the policy and focus on fighting climate change.

"Two courts have rejected Conservative politicians' attempts to play politics with the federal price on pollution. Premier Higgs should clearly state that he won't intervene in Saskatchewan's appeal to the Supreme Court," said Decourcey.


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Conservative premiers' unity means the system is working 'in a weird and twisted way,' says columnist

Premiers' opposition to federal plans reflects concerns of voters: Murray Mandryk


CBC Radio · Posted: Jul 10, 2019 11:19 AM ET



Alberta Premier Jason Kenney, far right, hosts a Stampede breakfast with visiting premiers, left to right: Robert McLeod of the Northwest Territories, Blaine Higgs of New Brunswick, Scott Moe of Saskatchewan, and Doug Ford of Ontario, in Calgary on Monday, July 8. (Jeff McIntosh/The Canadian Press)




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David R. Amos
Methinks some folks can see the circus for what it is N'esy Pas?


Marian Frances
Reply to @David R. Amos: please! not again with the n'esy..... it's "n'est-ce pas?". i'm not even french and know that. you flooded the board with your ignorance yesterday and that was enough. 


David R. Amos
Reply to @marian frances: Methinks you forgot to ask me if I cared what an anglo snob thinks of my Chiac N'esy Pas?









Richard Sharp
I have important stuff to say from time to time, which I need to repeat when lost in the tunnel:

"Even the Globe and Mail scoffs at the claims by Kenney and other Cons that "foreign" interference supporting environmentalists objecting to more oil sands development and pipelines is some sort of a dangerous conspiracy. First, Pembina and other environmental protection groups make no secret of the very limited extent they are supported by USA or other foreign sources. It's public information, available on their websites. Second, that support is MINISCULE compared to the foreign support favouring oil sands development, from the likes if the Koch brothers, for example.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/editorials/article-jason-kenney-doug-ford-and-the-ugliness-of-conservative-governments


David R. Amos
Reply to @Richard Sharp: "I have important stuff to say from time to time"

Methinks all liberal and conservative spin doctors tell the truth sometimes when it behooves them to do so N'esy Pas? 


Robert Edward Cox
Reply to @David R. Amos: David, it's "N'est-ce pas"  


Andy Davis
Reply to @Robert Edward Cox: told him many times also  
David R. Amos
Reply to @Robert Edward Cox: Methinks just like Marian Frances and many others you dudes forgot to ask me what I thought of Anglo snobs who never bothered to read my explanation of my Chiac or anything else I was posting about whatever topic I was addressing at the time N'esy Pas?









 

Ian Malcomson
I am concerned that Justin is preparing for a serious downturn in the economy. Personal indebtedness, if this happened, would be horrific.


David R. Amos 
Reply to @Ian Malcomson: Of course 
 


Conservative premiers' unity means the system is working 'in a weird and twisted way,' says columnist

Guest: Chris Hall, Marie Vastel, Murray Mandryk
KS: Summer is often a time for catching up. For most of us may mean backyard barbecues with old friends or family we haven't seen in a while. For Canada's 13 premiers it means three days of meetings and in between the photo ops, the agenda typically includes discussion of common concerns, health care funding for example, or the trade barriers that keep B.C. wine out of Ontario liquor stores. But at this year's council of the federation there is another topic in the air: the upcoming federal election. The meeting begins in Saskatoon today and it's the last time the premiers will gather before the October vote. With several newly elected Conservative premiers at the table sending a firm message to Prime Minister Justin Trudeau is sure to be a top priority. Our weekly national affairs panel is here to talk about what's at stake. Chris Hall is the CBC's national affairs editor and host of CBC's The House. Marie Vastel is the Parliamentary correspondent for Le Devoir. They're both in our Ottawa studio. And Murray Mandryk is the political columnist for the Regina Leader Post and he's in our Regina studio. Good morning everyone.
CHRIS HALL: Morning.
MARIE VASTEL: Good morning.
MURRAY MANDRYK: Good morning.
KS: Chris, I'm going to start with you. What can Canadians expect out of this meeting? What's the main message here?
CHRIS HALL: Well if you're talking about the political message it will be I think overwhelmed by those six premiers some the Conservative slant who believe that Justin Trudeau's government is doing the wrong thing by imposing a carbon tax. Not all them. Dennis King isn't in that crowd, a new Conservative, but clearly Jason Kenney, Doug Ford, Brian Pallister, Blaine Higgs, Scott Moe all feel that way and that's the main message they want to come out. On the other matters, things like health care. We hear that every year it's more money for that from the provinces that they would like to see from the federal government. Getting rid of those internal trade barriers, economic development. I don't expect we're going to have any major breakthroughs here, but clearly they will want to talk about those issues as well.
KS: When they start talking about trade I feel like they get into that broken record territory. They all say they want to change and then they never do anything to change. But that's another point, we'll get to that in a minute. But Chris I just want to go back to you. You know Alberta Premier Jason Kenney, he hosted a pre-meeting on Monday on the sidelines of the Calgary Stampede. Why is that important?
CHRIS HALL: Well I think because it sets the message that they want to have for Justin Trudeau before the meeting even began. It's in Alberta which is obviously the focal point of the Trans Mountain pipeline dispute with the with the federal government and with John Horgan of British Columbia. They want the message to be clear that the resource development sector that the Conservatives believe there's a better way to promote that sector as opposed to a carbon tax on emissions. These kinds of things that have separated them all along are now going to be at the forefront of this meeting.
KS: Murray I want to ask you Saskatchewan premier Scott Moe, he's the host of this year's talks, but really is he driving the agenda here?
MURRAY MANDRYK: No I don't really think he is and it's kind of not his nature, while our previous Premier Brad Wall would be the kind of politician that would take more of a forefront position. Scott Moe isn't that guy. Scott Moe is a guy that plays second fiddle to Jason Kenney and to Doug Ford to a certain extent. But all that said, I think that there is a huge emphasis by Moe and other premiers to put forward that same message as Chris describes, which is basically that we are right about the carbon tax. That was a great observation in terms of of the meeting in Calgary and what the message they were trying to send. You'll notice they were all wearing white hats as per the White Hat Ceremony, and if you're from my vintage of age that represents the good cowboy as opposed to the black hat cowboy. So I'm sure they sent Justin Trudeau a black hat. It's kind of this reinforced message all over, over, over again in Saskatchewan and Alberta that the carbon tax is bad. And at least locally in terms of local consumption it seems to be working.
KS: I was going to say, how frustrated are the people in Saskatchewan about the carbon tax?
MURRAY MANDRYK: Well they're frustrated because they need something to be frustrated about because this is the west and this is what we talk about and we do have legitimate problems in the industry. If you look at our overall economy at this very second, it's not exactly all that bad right now. There's not a huge lot of issues in Saskatchewan going on unless you want to count the controversy as to whether the Riders mascots's eyes should be black or green. You know it's that kind of time of year where it is that. That said, there is legitimate concern about the oil sector. Sadly there's an interesting argument to be made about independence, about the court case that's now proceeding to the Supreme Court in Saskatchewan Court appeal in terms of who should be making these decisions and what's right for the province and whether our solution is right. I almost think that the meeting in Calgary almost deflects from the seriousness of that message and I think people elsewhere in the country see these rather large middle-aged gentleman wearing white hats and kind of make one assumption that they don't have a legitimate message. They actually do. But there's also other messages that need to be talked about at the premiers' conference, at the conference and I hope that they don't get lost either.
KS: Marie, you know Jason Kenney, Scott Moe and Doug Ford, they have one message that they want to send to the Liberal Government about the carbon tax, but Quebec's premier Francois Legault he has a different message. Where does he fit in here?
MARIE VASTEL: Yeah. He had an interesting bit of news on Monday, before heading over to Saskatchewan, saying he too wanted to challenge the carbon tax and kind of intervene on the Saskatchewan argument side at the Supreme Court in December. For Francois Legault it is surprising, but not because he hasn't renegged the idea of carbon pricing as a valuable mechanism to reduce greenhouse gas emissions. What he's saying, he's making it all about autonomy of the provinces of respecting the province's jurisdictions as Murray was saying just before. And so in that sense it's not so much that he's joined the Conservative premiers in movement, but more that he's just defending his nationalism and the nationalism of his government. He also told my colleague who's in Saskatchewan for the Council of Federation right now that he was also thinking about joining a court challenge of C-69, that bill that we talked so much about reforming the environmental evaluation process by Ottawa. And in that case too Quebec had some reservations saying again that they thought Ottawa was impeding on their jurisdiction and that only they, Quebec, should have jurisdiction over environmental assessment. So it is surprising and it allows him to show up to the meeting as a bit, less of a lone wolf, but I don't think anyone should be illusioned thinking that he is now on board with everything Jason Kenney and his colleagues want to do because he is still very opposed to any pipeline going through his province.
KS: And how is that dynamic going to play? OK, if Premier Legault is saying okay you know what, I'm going to join this challenge but not because I sort of like that argument there, but because I want to protect you know the rights of Quebec. How does that dynamic play when Jason Kenney has so many other things on the agenda that he wants to really achieve there?
MARIE VASTEL: Well I think he also wants to you know build on that consensus against Ottawa. I mean he did say he'd campaign against Justin Trudeau. This is definitely helpful to have another one and Quebec nonetheless. And so it does help Jason Kenney I believe to have someone like Francois Legault and premier of such a big province join, and Quebec being known as a province that does believe in the environment and doing its part, but it definitely doesn't mean that they're all on the same page and when it comes to I think Jason Kenney also really wanted to hammer down this idea of an energy corridor going through Canada, an idea that Andrew Scheer the federal Conservative leader is also proposing. Well it doesn't help when someone smack in the middle of the road saying no and so I think the dynamic should be interesting, but I think Jason Kenney being an ex-federal politician is also smart enough to know that you pick your battles with Quebec three months from an election because his colleagues from the Federal Conservative Party don't need a fight with Quebec three months from the election.
KS: And Chris I want to ask you, you know we're expecting that the Conservative premiers at this meeting to really take up a lot of the space here and really dominate the conversation. What implications could that have for Andrew Scheer given that we are the conservative leader given that we are about three months from an election?
CHRIS HALL: Well that's a really important question. Jason Kenney has become the de facto spokesperson for these premiers and there's a reason for that because he has experience at the federal level. He's certainly well-known enough and he has connections with the federal Conservatives. I don't think I'm breaking any news here by saying the Conservatives would federally would probably prefer Doug Ford not be very prominent and vocal during the campaign because of his troubles. The inevitable comparisons to the kinds of cuts his government has introduced and its efforts to try to reduce spending. So it is a clear signal that the Conservatives do support having the premiers advance issues around the carbon tax for example. But as Marie points out, they really don't want to alienate Quebec because they have what a dozen seats still in Quebec and they need to hold those and if there's any chance to win they also need to do well in Ontario. So there's a bit of a tightrope here. You can't offend Doug Ford, you can't offend Francois Legault. You want to make some progress and seats that CAQ won last time or ones where the Conservatives believe they might have a chance along the north shore of the St. Lawrence. It's going to be an interesting act to follow. Jason Kenney clearly articulate in both official languages and clearly well-known here. They would prefer and are obviously I'm sure very happy that he used to come the de facto spokesperson for this group.
KS: Murray on sort of, on that same sort of question, let's flip it. Flip it around. The prime minister, you know what implications could a meeting like this, coming out of a meeting like this. If there's a strong message from these Conservative premiers and they seem united, what are the implications for Justin Trudeau?
MURRAY MANDRYK: Well in Saskatchewan and in Alberta there's not much just implications in the sense that there's not many seats up here in play for the federal election. I think there's a bigger implication though because, if not separation, the notion of Western alienation is very real and when you asked earlier what's going on in Saskatchewan and Alberta right now it is that sentiment that there's something very wrong with our system. There's something very wrong that we can't get our voice heard. And I find it bizarrely interesting, intriguing that the solution to this seems to be an alliance, but very much a political conservative alliance of premiers with very different views even representing technically different parties because we don't no longer have provincial Progressive Conservative parties except for in Ontario and elsewhere in Saskatchewan, we have the Saskatchewan Party that is the de facto Conservative Party, but they managed to come together in unity at a conference in agreement on one thing. And I'm not so sure that's the most unhealthy thing. Some people might think it is if you can only get together on how much you dislike pipelines or how much you dislike the carbon tax, or more specifically how much you dislike Justin Trudeau and want to see the Liberals defeated. But this is our democratic system, these were legitimately elected by the public and this is the message that Saskatchewan has been driving home for some time. We're duly elected to represent your interest as citizens and oh by the way we have premiers in New Brunswick, in Quebec, to a certain extent in Ontario, and certainly in Alberta that share your interests. So in a weird and twisted way I guess the system's working.
KS: Murray I want to follow up with you know you speak about sort of there's a united message here and you know that it's not unusual for four provincial premiers to gang up on federal government. And you know we certainly seen it in the past and particularly because it is an election year these premiers have things that they want to achieve and have things that they're hoping to get from Ottawa. But is there something different about the tension now?
MURRAY MANDRYK: Yeah there is. It's palpable in Saskatchewan that there's frustration with what's going on and I'm old enough to remember what was going on in the early 1980s after the NDP and everything else. Those sentiments are being regurgitated and restored by another Trudeau and that is a reoccurring message out here. There has to be something done to address this. So when Jason Kenney says something, we want to do something about the environment, but we want to do it on on our terms, I think what they're saying is they want to do it on our terms. I don't necessarily think that they're, that this is a foremost concern, but they are concerned about representing their interests in a way that they don't think the federal government is doing so in terms of both the carbon tax and and Bill C-69. So within all the rhetoric you're hearing there is some legitimacy in terms of policy and there's some legitimacy in terms of representing some real life concerns out here, even though the economy is not exactly the worst in the world or maybe quite as bad as they sometimes make it out to be. But there is real life frustration out here in Alberta and Saskatchewan and Manitoba, and certainly in certain other parts of the west.
KS: Chris if we see all of all of this friction sort of play out, are there any tangible consequences for Canadians because of the friction?
CHRIS HALL: Well you know it's all been wrapped up in the provincial jurisdiction federal jurisdiction argument, and I think that if you're a voter right now or you're just a person who is worrying about pocketbook issues the carbon tax encapsulates that and certainly all the premiers and Andrew Scheer federally have been talking about the importance of leaving money in people's pockets trying to find other ways to reduce carbon emissions. So on that level I suppose it's important to people to know we also know from our own poll, Katie, that young people in particular that climate change is a top of mind issue now. They are concerned about what the future holds. And I don't think they really are interested in fighting over what the best way to deal with it is, they just want to deal with it. And I think for all the politicians around the table in Saskatoon today that's one thing to keep in mind, the federal government at least has a plan. You may not like it but it's a plan. It's about imposing a price on carbon. What's their plan to actually achieve the results? They may have one, but it's not consistent across the board. Blaine Higgs New Brunswick is already close to a 30 percent reduction from 2005 levels which is the target. Clearly Saskatchewan is not. Alberta is not too. These are the kinds of things that I think they have to keep in mind.
MARIE VASTEL: Which is what the courts of appeal recognized right? When they sided with Ottawa, they said well you need some sort of federal oversight to ensure that it actually happens everywhere in the country and that someone actually measures that it happens. To go back to your question, Katie, about what does this mean for Justin Trudeau, as you said, I don't think it's that unusual to have provinces who disagree with Ottawa. There's a reason Stephen Harper didn't want to meet with premiers and there's a reason Justin Trudeau might be realizing his province might have been a bad idea. And it's also not unusual to have a different colour government in a province as opposed to federally right. So I think we're just seeing a switch back to the other side of that equation where now it's more conservatives om provinces and it's a federal and it's a Liberal leader at the federal government for now. What will be interesting though is that apparently these premiers are hoping to draft a letter of kind of their request ahead of the election for every federal party and it will definitely be less in line with Justin Trudeau's policies because they are all conservative, because a majority of them are conservative premiers. But I'm not sure that's necessarily a bad thing for Justin Trudeau. I think he would be quite happy as Chris said to campaign saying that, you know, the federal Conservatives are going to do what Doug Ford has done and in places like Ontario and Quebec where there are a lot of seats to win and where the either party who wants to win government needs to win a lot of seats. I don't think it's necessarily going to be a detriment to Justin Trudeau's campaign to have provincial Conservative politicians disagreeing with him.
KS: Quebec's controversial ban on public officials wearing religious symbols at work is also expected to come up on the sidelines of this. A court challenge has been launched and Manitoba Premier Brian Pallister said he is going to raise concerns at this week's talks. Marie, how do you think Mr. Legault will respond to pushback about this legislation?
MARIE VASTEL: I think he's very much expecting it. These people have all criticised the bill when it was adopted a few weeks ago, right? You saw everyone on Twitter from Rachel Notley to Jason Kenney to Brian Pallister actually taking up a microphone and saying it was a racist bill. I don't think there will be any surprise on the part of the Quebec delegation to hear behind closed doors that everyone or almost everyone disagrees. That being said, I think Francois Legault is very confident that in his own province, which is really all that matters to him, he does have a certain amount of popular support. And again I'm not sure we should expect a big consensus declaration blaming this bill because I think people recognize that you probably don't want to get in a fight with Quebec ahead of a federal election. But most also I think they will recognize that in Quebec it is not a unanimous position to oppose this bill even amongst Conservative members. There a Conservative MPs from Quebec who do not seem to fully disagree with this bill or at least recognize that their own constituents don't disagree with the bill. Most of the Conservative Quebec MPs are from the Quebec City region, which is a very conservative region. I think they are fully aware that this is not something they want to denounce too strongly. And you've seen, you know, Andrew Scheer and his colleagues not come out too, too strongly against this bill federally.
KS: And Chris there's one last thing I want to ask you really quickly. There's another news story that also could take up a lot of energy at this meeting and that is the news that broke last night that there's going to be about 500 people losing their jobs in Thunder Bay laid off at Bombardier.
CHRIS HALL: Right.
KS: Do you anticipate any political fallout here?
CHRIS HALL: Well I think this is from Doug Ford. It's really important because we had Oshawa close, the GM plant there closed its main assembly line and only a few jobs remain. Thunder Bay, it's a big employer. Bombardier obviously critically important as a national corporate enterprise. So if you're looking for some kind of support, what is it that that plant needs, it needs basically more government orders for railcars and they haven't materialized right now. So I'm not sure what they can do, but it does underscore that no matter how good the economy looks from a helicopter point of view, on the ground there are still pockets like Thunder Bay, like Oshawa, where jobs are disappearing and governments at all level have to have some kind of way to respond to that.
KS: Chris, Murray, Marie, thank you for your time today.
CHRIS MURRAY: Thank you.
MARIE VASTEL: Thank you.
MURRAY MANDRYK: Thank you.
KS: Chris Hill is the CBC's national affairs editor and host of The House, Marie Vastel is a parliamentary correspondent for Le Devoir and Murray Mandryk is the political columnist for the Regina Leader Post in our Regina studio.
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