Thursday 30 November 2023

Mennonite families set sights on farming in Kent County, put offer on 1,000 acres

 

Mennonite families set sights on farming in Kent County, put offer on 1,000 acres

Service commission hopes the move promotes revitalization of agriculture in the area

Old Order Mennonite families from southern Ontario have placed an offer on about 1,000 acres of land in Kent County, where there is hope the new community will bolster efforts to revitalize agriculture.

Paul Lang, the CEO of the Kent Regional Service Commission, said the commission has been working for five years on a project to bring Mennonite or Amish communities to the area.

"We thought this was a great opportunity for us to bring back agriculture in a region that [valued] agriculture for the last century," he said.

Lang said three Mennonite families from Lucknow, Ont., have confirmed their intentions to come to New Brunswick and are confident others will follow. He said six families are needed to officially create a Mennonite community. 

A smiling man standing outside a building and wearing a grey jacket and black-rimmed glasses. Paul Lang, CEO of the Kent Regional Service Commission, says three Mennonite families have confirmed their intention to come to New Brunswick and are confident others will follow. (Nicolas Steinbach/Radio-Canada)

The land the farming families want to buy is on Richard Village Road in Acadieville, known locally as North Branch. He said everything should be finalized early in the new year.

Lang said more education of Kent County residents will be needed about who the Mennonites are and how they live their lives. But since the official move might not come until late 2024 or early 2025, there's time to do that.

Although many Mennonites today are part of a more mainstream culture, the members of the Old Order group from Lucknow travel by horse and buggy, which means some accommodations will be needed in the area, including possibly putting up posts for the horses at certain locations.

At the beginning of the process to attract Mennonites to the eastern New Brunswick community, the commission brought in a consultant to prepare packages about available land.

That consultant was Gerard Thebeau, a Richibucto resident and agrologist, who described an agrologist's job as serving the agriculture industry with professional standards.

Thebeau said Kent County has deep roots in agriculture, but a lot of farmland has been lost over the years.

An older man with grey hair and black-rimmed glasses. He is wearing a blue, black and green plaid button-up and a black jacket overtop. Gerard Thebeau, a Richibucto resident and agrologist, says that in his conversations with the Mennonites who are interested in coming to New Brunswick, he's learned that the community could no longer compete in Ontario with the growing cost of land. (Nicolas Steinbach/Radio-Canada)

For years, many farms in the area concentrated on brussels sprouts, but the industry went into decline and a lot farms stopped operation altogether.

At an agricultural forum put on by the service commission in 2019, Thebeau said, he and others planted the idea with commission of trying to attract Mennonite and Amish farmers to the Upper Rexton area.

Thebeau said being from the Acadieville area, he knew there was a lot of farmland at one point, so with the commission's help, they included that area as one potentially suitable for such a plan.

WATCH | Paul Lang says Mennonites could help revitalize the agricultural sector: 
 

Old Order Mennonite families look to buy Kent County farmland

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Three Mennonite families from Ontario have placed an offer on 1,000 acres of land in the Acadieville area, says Kent Regional Service Commission CEO Paul Lang.

In his conversations with the Mennonites interested in coming to New Brunswick, Thebeau said, he learned the growing cost of land in Ontario was making it difficult for them to compete.  

"They're located in the Lucknow area," Thebeau said. "It's dairy industry country, and dairy industry is much more lucrative."

Thebeau said for the Kent County land to be ready for agricultural use again, it will need to be plowed, the pH level will need to be adjusted, and a rotational crop will need to be planted. Some of the land will have to be cleared and levelled.

Two Old Order Mennonites sitting on a cart pulled by a horse amid snowy weather conditions. Mennonites drive their carts through a blizzard in Lindsay, Ont., last year. Lang says he hopes to further educate the Acadieville population about the daily lives of Mennonites, including horse and buggy travel. (Fred Thornhill/The Canadian Press)

Thebeau relayed some written questions from CBC News to the Mennonite families involved and is awaiting a response. 

Lang said the commission is also looking to use its monthly newsletter to explain certain aspects of Old Order Mennonite life, including buggy transportation on public roads. 

In Prince Edward Island, where several Amish families from Ontario have settled in the last decade, there have been cases where carts have been overturned by vehicles.

According to Conrad Grebel University College, a school established by Ontario Mennonite leaders and affiliated with the University of Waterloo, Mennonites are a diverse group. 

Of the 59,000 Mennonites in Ontario, only about 20 per cent are members of conservative groups, such as Old Order Mennonites or Old Colony Mennonites.

The web page says that according to data from 2011, there are around 175,000 Mennonites in Canada.

A dirt road with a car driving down it. The focus of the photo is a diamond-shaped road sign with a horse and buggy on it. This photo was taken in Prince Edward Island, where several Amish families from Ontario have settled in the last decade. There have been cases where carts have been overturned in accidents with vehicles. (Andrew Vaughan/The Canadian Press)

It says each group has its own unique outward practices and historical development, while still sharing certain foundational religious beliefs with the others.

Kent North MLA Kevin Arseneau said he thinks attracting Mennonite communities to the area is part of the solution to revitalizing the region's agriculture sector.

But he also sees it as an opportunity to think about how to get more young people interested in agriculture.

"How can we also think long term and see all our lands that are already fields really become repurposed into producing food for New Brunswickers?" said Arseneau.

Thebeau said that right now, the province imports a lot of food.

He pointed to the 2021-2025 local food and beverages strategy from the provincial Department of Agriculture, which says New Brunswick is highly self-sufficient in potatoes, blueberries, seafood, maple syrup and cranberries, but it lacks in other areas.

The strategy says New Brunswick is far from self-sufficient. In vegetable production, if potatoes are excluded, it's only seven per cent self-sufficient, in fruit 32 per cent, beef and veal 45 per cent, pork 22 per cent, and grains and oilseeds at 64 per cent. 

A man with short brown hair and black glasses. He is wearing a light blue suit jacket, a polka-dotted white dress shirt and a dusty pink tie. Kent North MLA Kevin Arseneau says it is important to consider ways to get more young people interested in agriculture. (Ed Hunter/CBC)

Recalling shortages during the COVID-19  pandemic, Thebeau said it would be nice to have more food production in those areas right in New Brunswick in case of future restrictions on the transportation of goods. 

"I believe personally that it would be nice to have a food bank in our backyard in case we have a political problem or any kind of a problem that transportation of goods is restricted to our province," he said.

"Because if we would, I think it wouldn't take us long to be glad that we have farmers in our backyard."

ABOUT THE AUTHOR

 

Hannah Rudderham is a reporter with CBC New Brunswick. She grew up in Cape Breton, N.S., and moved to Fredericton in 2018. You can send story tips to hannah.rudderham@cbc.ca.

 
 
 
57 Comments
 
 
David Amos
Oh My My 
 
 
David Amos  

Hmmm   
 
 
David Amos 

Reply to David Amos
Perhaps mon ami a different Roger Richard who ran in a couple elections in the riding will explain his view on these articles  
 
 
Marcel Belanger
Reply to David Amos
Read it.

He sad that it’s not the locals who are farming but welcomes the new residents openly.

 
David Amos  
Reply to Marcel Belanger
Read what?  
 
 
Marcel Belanger 
Reply to David Amos
The article your link pointed to, what else would I have read. 
 
 
 
 
Kyle Woodman 
There are already communities in western NB that done well here. The more the merrier. Might have to wait to build my garage if I can get one built by the Mennonites. 
 
 
Chuck Michaels 

Reply to Kyle Woodman
 
 
Kyle Woodman
Reply to Chuck Michaels
I know some folks in Carleton County that had buildings made by them. Always very satisfied. 
 
 
David Amos 

Reply to Kyle Woodman  
There are Mennonites in Fundy Royal 
 
 
 
 https://ici.radio-canada.ca/nouvelle/2030257/mennonites-terres-agricoles-kent-vente 

Des mennonites convoitent des terres agricoles au Nouveau-Brunswick

Des familles de l'Ontario ont fait des offres d'achat dans la région de Kent.

Une carriole tirée par un cheval sur une route de terre en hiver, sous un ciel nuageux. Des mennonites reviennent de l'église et rentrent chez eux à Lindsay, en Ontario, le 28 février 2021 Photo : La Presse canadienne / Fred Thornhill

Radio-Canada
 

Des familles mennonites entendent fonder une communauté dans le comté de Kent, au Nouveau-Brunswick.

Ces résidents de Lucknow, en Ontario, font des démarches pour acquérir environ 1000 acres de terres agricoles et forestières.

Ils ont visité le coin la première semaine de novembre et on fait plusieurs offres d’achat à des propriétaires de la région d’Acadieville.

La relève n'est pas là

Ce n’était pas leur première visite, dit Roger Richard, propriétaire de la Ferme Pouce Vert, à Acadieville. Il a lui-même reçu des propositions, mais il ne veut pas vendre son entreprise familiale.

Un homme portant la moustache est debout sur sa ferme devant un beau soleil brillant.
Roger Richard est le propriétaire de la Ferme Pouce Vert, à Acadieville.
Photo : Radio-Canada / Nicolas Steinbach
 

Le fait que sa ferme soit en activité est attrayant pour les mennonites, croit-il, mais ceux-ci avaient quand même beaucoup d’autres choix. Les terres présentement dans la région ne sont presque pas utilisées, dit Roger Richard.

La région [où] les mennonites ont acheté, c'étaient des très bonnes terres agricoles. Mais depuis plusieurs années, elles ne sont pas utilisées, puis c'est pas les gens locaux, malheureusement, qui vont les utiliser.

Une citation de Roger Richard, Ferme Pouce Vert, Acadieville

C'est de bonne guerre que ces gens-là reprennent des terres qui étaient en opération, puis qui vont pouvoir faire de la production agricole, déclare-t-il. La relève est pas là.

Selon Paul Lang, directeur général de la Commission de services régionaux de Kent, jusqu’à six familles mennonites pourraient s’établir dans la région en 2025.

Paul Lang regarde directement la caméra et sourit. Il est debout à l'extérieur devant un édifice de bureaux.Paul Lang est directeur général de la Commission de services régionaux de Kent.
Photo : Radio-Canada / Nicolas Steinbach

Pour établir une communauté [mennonite], ça en prend six [familles], alors on s'attend qu'avec les 1000 acres qu'ils ont acheté, que d'autres familles suivront par la suite, explique-t-il.

Les mennonites intéressés par la région de Kent sont du « Vieil Ordre » des mennonites, et ils ne permettent pas l’usage de l'automobile. Il faudra donc prévoir quelques accommodements, comme des piquets pour qu’ils attachent leurs chevaux devant la banque, le bureau de poste ou la coop de Rogersville.

Deux carrioles noires tirées par des chevaux bruns foncés se suivent sur une route enneigée, pendant un blizzard. Des mennonites conduisent leurs carrioles dans un blizzard à Lindsay, en Ontario, le 27 février 2022.
Photo : La Presse canadienne / Fred Thornhill
 

On rencontre le conseil municipal [de Nouvelle-Arcadie] prochainement pour établir un plan de communication auprès de la population, mentionne Paul Lang.

C'est des gens qui veulent être de bons voisins. Ils veulent contribuer à l'économie locale par l'agriculture, par leurs métiers. Ils travaillent le bois, ils travaillent l'acier.

Une citation de Paul Lang, Commission de services régionaux de Kent

Il explique avoir aussi visité ces communautés en Ontario pour s'informer sur leur mode de vie et les informer de la vie au Nouveau-Brunswick.

Adaptation et intégration

Ailleurs dans le monde, l’installation de ces congrégations anabaptistes — dont font aussi partie les amish et les huttérites — ne s’est pas toujours faite sans heurts.

Une carriole tirée par un cheval roule la nuit et passe devant des arbres en feu. Une carriole mennonite passe devant des arbres que l'on brûle pour faire place à un champ à cultiver, le 29 avril 2021 à Valle Nuevo, au Mexique. Selon Global Forest Watch, 8000 kilomètres carrés de forêt ont été perdus en 20 ans dans l'État mexicain du Campeche.
Photo : Reuters / José Luis González

Selon des organismes de défense de la forêt amazonienne, les communautés mennonites ont détruit depuis 2017 environ 4000 hectares de forêt (Nouvelle fenêtre) au Pérou.

La déforestation orchestrée ces dernières années par les communautés d’agriculteurs mennonites au Mexique — ou leur gestion de la terre diffère grandement de celles des autochtones — a été qualifiée de désastre écologique (Nouvelle fenêtre).

Un panneau routier à Summerville, Île-du-Prince-Édouard, indiquant un passage de charrettes tirées par des chevaux.   Un panneau routier le 8 octobre 2016 à Summerville, à l'Île-du-Prince-Édouard, indique aux automobilistes la possibilité de croiser des charrettes tirées par des chevaux.
Photo : La Presse canadienne / Andrew Vaughan
 
À l’Île-du-Prince-Édouard, où plusieurs familles amish de l’Ontario se sont établies dans la dernière décennie, il est souvent arrivé que des automobilistes renversent leurs carrioles.
 

La question des écoles mennonites, jugées illégales par le gouvernement du Québec, s’est aussi avérée problématique dans le passé. Paul Lang n’anticipe pas que cela soit une difficulté au Nouveau-Brunswick.

Qu’est-ce qui attire les mennonites ontariens?

L’agronome à la retraite Gerard Thebeau estime que la qualité de la terre et le relief relativement plat — donc qui facilite le déplacement des chevaux — font partie des raisons qui attirent ces acheteurs ontariens.

Gerard Thebeau debout à l'extérieur.Gerard Thebeau est agronome à la retraite.
Photo : Radio-Canada / Nicolas Steinbach

Paul Lang, de son côté, souligne que la proximité des services était un critère important pour ces personnes qui se déplacent à cheval.

L’attrait majeur, toutefois, serait le prix compétitif des terres agricoles du Nouveau-Brunswick.

C'est sûr que le coût des terres est nettement inférieur à celui de l'Ontario. On parle ici d'une bonne terre agricole, environ 2000 $ de l'acre. En Ontario, ça peut se vendre à 20 000 $ de l'acre, dit Paul Lang.

Une femme portant une robe traditionnelle mennonite et un chapeau gris au ruban bleu pédale sur un quadricycle vert de marque John Deere, sur une route de terre et de sable. Une mennonite conduit un quadricycle à Ascensión, dans l'État de Chihuahua, au Mexique, le 26 septembre 2020.
Photo : AFP via Getty Images / Herika Martinez

Les mennonites ne peuvent plus prendre d'expansion en Ontario, parce qu’ils ne peuvent plus compétitionner, selon Gerard Thebeau.

Ce dernier précise que ces terres ne seraient pas rentables avant au moins trois ans, puisqu’elles n’ont pas été labourées depuis une quarantaine d’années, depuis la fin des années de gloire du chou de Bruxelles au Nouveau-Brunswick.

A man with short brown hair and black glasses. He is wearing a light blue suit jacket, a polka-dotted white dress shirt and a dusty pink tie.
Le député de Kent-Nord au Nouveau-Brunswick et fermier, Kevin Arseneau, voit d'un bon œil l'arrivée de familles mennonites dans la région pour exploiter environ 1000 acres de terres agricoles et forestières. Il en parle avec l'animateur Janic Godin.

Des terres à cultiver

Gerard Thebeau espère que la venue de ces agriculteurs mennonites contribuera à une meilleure souveraineté alimentaire dans la région.

Selon le ministère de l'Agriculture du Nouveau-Brunswick, la province est très dépendante des importations de nourriture et ne produit que 7 % des légumes (excluant les patates) que les Néo-Brunswickois consomment.

Des champs remplis de broussailles, avec un peu de neige dans des traces de pneus entre les deux.Beaucoup de terres agricoles ne sont plus exploitées dans la région de Kent.
Photo : Radio-Canada / Nicolas Steinbach

On est à court de céréales, à court de boeuf. Ces gens-là vont essayer de remplir des vides qu'on a [et] que notre population n’est pas en mesure de remplir, ajoute Gerard Thebeau. On espère que ce sera une banque de nourriture à long terme.

D’après le reportage de Nicolas Steinbach

 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

Higgs PCs face more internal division over party's direction

 

Higgs PCs face more internal division over party's direction

Deputy mayor quits Hampton nomination race, citing ‘disconnect’ with party’s actions

New Brunswick's Progressive Conservative party is facing more internal division over its socially conservative message ahead of next year's provincial election.

Internal emails obtained by CBC News include criticism of Premier Blaine Higgs, the party and its newly hired campaign manager over the direction they're taking.

Hampton Deputy Mayor Jeremy Salgado pulled out of the race for the Hampton-Fundy-St. Martin's nomination Tuesday and quit the PC party, saying he feels "a disconnect between my principles and the actions being taken within our party."

He was up against Faytene Grasseschi, a high-profile Christian conservative activist who has embraced Higgs's handling of the province's gender identity policy in schools.

Smiling man with short brown-grey hair wears navy suit jacket, shirt and tie.                               Jeremy Salgado, deputy mayor of Hampton, has pulled out the race for the Hampton-Fundy-St. Martin's nomination, citing disconnect with the party. (Town of Hampton)

In an email to party officials, Salgado says the party gave Grasseschi "a considerable advantage." He told CBC News the party gave her information, including the Dec. 19 date of the nominating convention, before giving it to him.

"Our party has taken a different direction than I would have hoped for," he wrote in the Tuesday email.

"It is with a heavy heart that I acknowledge the misalignment of my beliefs and values with the current structure of our party.… I sincerely hope that one day, circumstances will change for the better, allowing me to return to this party under more positive conditions."

The party's executive director Doug Williams responded that the process was fair to everyone and the Dec. 19 date was requested by the local riding executive. 

"There are no barriers blocking anyone from participating in this process," he said, adding the party is "a big-tent party that brings together a broad voter coalition. We will continue to be that under Premier Higgs."

A letter of concern

Another PC party member, Shediac resident Chuck Steeves, also recently wrote to Higgs and campaign manager Steve Outhouse to complain about recent fundraising appeals.

. Doug Williams, executive director of the province's Progressive Conservative Party, dismissed allegations by Salgado that the nomination process had favoured Faytene Grasseschi. (Shane Fowler/CBC)

"N.B. PCs do not want a Social Conservative Party — we are Progressive Conservatives," Steeves wrote in a Nov. 23 email.

"This letter appeal and a similar campaign will stop as many donations as it will attract. This will lose as many votes or more than it will retain and certainly not gain any from other parties."

In a fundraising email earlier this month, Higgs said he was the victim of "disgusting" attacks over his stance on Policy 713, which deals with students' choice of names and pronouns to reflect their gender identities.

The Hampton-Fundy-St. Martin's nominating convention — the party's first for next year's election — had been shaping up as a proxy battle over that issue and Higgs's leadership.

Salgado confirmed he was one of the more than 20 PC riding association presidents who signed letters earlier this year calling for a review of Higgs's leadership.

Last week he said in a social media post that he did it to give party members "a chance to express their views" but that his "personal view" was that Higgs was "the best candidate to lead our great province." 

Chuck Steeves poses for a photo   PC party member and Shediac resident Chuck Steeves also recently wrote to Higgs and campaign manager Steve Outhouse to complain about recent fundraising appeals. (CBC)

Williams said the endorsement was at odds with Salgado's criticism of the party this week.

"I won't speculate on what changed in the last six days," he said.

Grasseschi's support of Higgs

Grasseschi was pitching herself to Tories as someone who supported Higgs in the spring when he "stuck his neck out for parents" and when some MLAs and members "turned on him for it."

A man with grey hair and glasses posing with a woman with long blond hair Grasseschi, a high-profile Christian conservative activist, has embraced Higgs's handling of the province's gender identity policy in schools. (Submitted by Faytene Grasseschi)

"Premier Higgs deserves a team around him that will stand alongside him on important issues like parental rights and other common sense conservative values," she wrote in a Nov. 16 email to party members in the riding.

Grasseschi said in a statement to CBC that neither candidate got preferential treatment from the party but that Salgado was the one with the "clear advantage" because he was part of the riding executive that scheduled the nomination.

"Everything has been initiated by Mr. Salgado and his team," she said.

Salgado was endorsed for the nomination by current Hampton PC MLA Gary Crossman, who is not running again.

Salgado said in his Thursday email that until he feels comfortable returning to the PC party, he'll "continue to champion the values and ideals that I hold dear" and work for causes "that align more closely with my beliefs."

He wouldn't say when asked by CBC whether he might run for another party or as an independent candidate.

"At this time that is undetermined," he said.

In his email, Steeves warned Higgs, Outhouse and the premier's chief of staff Paul d'Astous that the party's direction was "reinforcing the fear" that some members had when two former People's Alliance MLAs, including cabinet minister Kris Austin, joined the PCs. 

He also wrote that Opposition Liberal Leader Susan Holt was "hitting her stride" and was "entirely correct" in her criticism of government policy on homelessness.

The province, however, "cannot afford" a Liberal government, Steeves added, so the Tories need to "stop this near train wreck already tipsy on the rails."

ABOUT THE AUTHOR


Jacques Poitras

Provincial Affairs reporter

Jacques Poitras has been CBC's provincial affairs reporter in New Brunswick since 2000. He grew up in Moncton and covered Parliament in Ottawa for the New Brunswick Telegraph-Journal. He has reported on every New Brunswick election since 1995 and won awards from the Radio Television Digital News Association, the National Newspaper Awards and Amnesty International. He is also the author of five non-fiction books about New Brunswick politics and history.

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460 Comments
 
 
 
David Amos
Methinks Higgy et al will have a Not So Happy Yuletide Season N'esy Pas? 
 
 
 
David Amos 
 
Need I say JP must know why I chuckled as I read the following and recalled my emails and my recent conversations with Mr Outhouse and his cohorts?

"Salgado said in his Thursday email that until he feels comfortable returning to the PC party, he'll "continue to champion the values and ideals that I hold dear" and work for causes "that align more closely with my beliefs."

He wouldn't say when asked by CBC whether he might run for another party or as an independent candidate.

"At this time that is undetermined," he said.

 
 
Ronald Miller 

I wonder if JP checks out the comments on day like today and finds out the weak left minds were even more gullible than he thought, they took this entire bit, hook, line, and sinker.   
 
 
David Amos 
Reply to Ronald Miller  
I wonder if Mr Outhouse is reading this
 
 
 
James Risdon 
As an applicant for the Senate, I'd be more than happy to address these issues to the best of my ability in the Upper Chamber.  
 
 
G. Timothy Walton
Reply to James Risdon   
The bar is set high, and you'd have to step over it, not limbo under.  
 
 
James Risdon 
Reply to G. Timothy Walton 
How so?  
 
 
G. Timothy Walton
Reply to James Risdon   
The cruelty of your past remarks about the homeless would work against you.   
 
 
James Risdon 
Reply to G. Timothy Walton 
I've never made cruel remarks about the homelesss.  
 
 
David Amos 

Reply to G. Timothy Walton 
Amen
 
 
David Amos 
Reply to James Risdon  
You are quite a joker 
 
 
 
 
Frank Brace  
The Party of the Holier than Thou is having some problems
 
 
David Amos 

Reply to Frank Brace
So are you it seems   
 
 
 
Colin Seeley  
Pollievre way ahead in the polls. And it’s all due to a Govt that dictates that we pay taxes to eat and heat and come together to work and meet .
 
 
Robert Tangence 
Reply to Colin Seeley   
I decided I don't want to pay income taxes this year. Go PP!
 
 
David Amos 
Reply to Robert Tangence 
i have not paid income taxes since 1987 
 
 

Dale McConnell
Is there one C on government in Canada that isn’t fighting itself? 
 
 
James Risdon 
Reply to Dale McConnell 
As opposed to the smooth internal dynamics of Liberal governments?
 
 
Bill Harrison
Reply to Dale McConnell 
The media loves it when Conservatives agree to disagree among themselves. If the media can stir the pot, they will do so with gusto. 
 
 
Don Corey 
Reply to Dale McConnell 
We know for sure that the Liberal government in Ottawa certainly fits in that category. 
 
 
Don Corey   
Reply to James Risdon
You can't be serious???
 
 
Don Corey   
Reply to Bill Harrison
Absolutely, and especially the state broadcaster that's funded by all Canadian taxpayers.  
 
 
David Amos 

Reply to Don Corey 
He is a joker to me    
 
 
 
Frank Brace  
Overruling Professionals/Experts , forcing them, is a right wing trait
 
 
Mark O'Brien   
Reply to Frank Brace
Like Manning suggesting politicians have the final say with regard to public health crises rather than educated and experienced medical public health professionals.
 
 
Frank Brace 
Reply to Mark O'Brien  
Excellent example from the province that had the worse outcome in Canada in a pandemic and had the court overturn mandate cases because of political interference 
 
 
Mark O'Brien   
Reply to Frank Brace 
Exactly right about the court's decision that mandates etc. were the responsibility of professionals not politicians.

Manning has no respect for law. Manning wants to be the law which is visible in his so-called report on how the pandemic was managed so that corrections could be made. One can only make corrections if one examines what went wrong if anything. Manning simply did no such examination of what worked and what didn't. He simply presented his ideas of how public health crises should be managed. He essentially calls for a bureaucracy of irrelevant scientists and others to weigh in on what is a medical public health question not one for psychologists, economists or sociologists. Manning wants to play God - be the law - and say how things should be done in public health when he has zero education or professional experience in the field. He is like jordan peterson who also weighs in on subjects he has never studied in school, got a degree in or practised professionally. There sure are a lot of opinionated right wing types eager to impose their uniformed rules on others especially those with professional qualifications and experience. In such a technologically advanced country like Canada it is shocking these people have any say or power!

 
Don Corey
Reply to Frank Brace
Nope. Witness the Trudeau vaccine mandates.  
 
 
David Amos  
Reply to Don Corey
Amen
 
 
 
Kyle Woodman
I wonder if Blaine Higgs has ever had an original idea.
 
 
James Risdon 
Reply to Kyle Woodman  
Have you? I have heard that very idea said before.  
 
 
David Amos 
Reply to Kyle Woodman  
If he did then he would not have bought a stripped down Goldwing
 
 
Kyle Woodman  
Reply to David Amos
Hahaha. Now that's a good one David.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Kyle Woodman
Another day where Higgs doesn't know whether he's coming or going. How many more failures can he take? 
 
 
James Risdon 
Reply to Kyle Woodman  
How is this a failure on the part of Premier Blaine Higgs? 
 
 
David Amos 
Reply to Kyle Woodman  
Welcome back to the circus enjoy arguing a former KISS Party member
 
 
James Risdon  
Reply to David Amos
That comment is so good, I'm glad you said it twice.
 
 
David Amos 
Reply to James Risdon  
Nay not so
 
 
James Risdon  
Reply to David Amos
Yes. So.
 
 
David Amos 
Reply to James Risdon   
Prove it Show my double post
 
 
James Risdon  
Reply to David Amos
It's on the website. Look for yourself.
 
 
David Amos 
Reply to James Risdon  
I did






 
Jay Miller
More PC members are leaving this party each day - they are no longer there for NB’ers - but rather have fundamentalist with religious, and out of touch ideas! Goodbye Higgsy!  
 
 
David Amos 
Reply to Jay Miller 
Amen

 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

 

 



Brad Wall text to Chris Barber It is clear you will not be changing the feds'minds ...So then what?

 

 Round 1 The Crown

 
 

Lich and Barber have maintained the protests were organized to end COVID-19 mandates.

WATCH | Lich and Barber arrive at Ottawa courthouse:


 
 

Crown argues Lich, Barber acted together during Freedom Convoy

'They’re not ordinary members of the occupation,' says Crown lawyer

The criminal trial of Tamara Lich and Chris Barber saw Crown prosecutors detail Thursday why they think two leaders of what became the Freedom Convoy acted in a preconceived conspiracy to commit criminal acts during their time in Ottawa. 

Lich and Barber are on trial for committing mischief, obstructing police, counselling others to commit mischief and intimidation for their roles in the protest.

The two led protesters to Ottawa to rally against COVID-19 mandates and they stayed in the city until they were arrested on Feb. 17, 2022.  

The defence is arguing the Crown has not shown enough evidence to convince the court the two were acting in a conspiracy, often referred to in court as a common unlawful design. 

They say Lich and Barber promoted peace throughout the protests, that they were non-violent and merely planning a protest is not illegal. 

The Crown says the two acted in a conspiracy to break the law, and any evidence applying to one should apply to the other. 

They argue the conspiracy began on Jan. 29, the same day the two arrived in Ottawa.

'Spark that lit the fire'

The Crown pointed to examples of Lich being referred to as the "great leader of the truckers' movement" and the "spark that lit the fire" in videos posted to social media during the protests. 

Crown lawyer Tim Radcliffe argued the context of the figurative "megaphone" Barber and Lich had was significant, pointing to video evidence where people were excited to meet them because of their role as leaders in the protest. 

An undated photo of Chris Barber and Tamara Lich taking part in what became the Freedom Convoy protest in Ottawa during the winter of 2022.                                                            An undated photo of Chris Barber, middle, and Tamara Lich taking part in what became the Freedom Convoy protest in Ottawa during the winter of 2022. (Court evidence)

"Ms. Lich and Mr. Barber, they're not ordinary members of the occupation. They are leaders, publicly identified as such," he said. 

He showed a video of downtown Ottawa congested with protesters, telling the court "this doesn't happen by accident" and was the result of planning by Lich and Barber. 

Prosecutors also pointed to evidence from Barber's text messages sent to supporters, where he tells others the protest is "to cause grief" and that they "trainwrecked traffic" after the convoy's arrival in the city. 

The Crown argues Barber and Lich were together on several occasions throughout the protest and referred to the events in Ottawa as "our protest."

The Crown showed evidence Barber had been told by police early in the protests — on Jan. 29, as he was arriving in the city — that they had to leave, but he told them that would only happen if mandates were dropped. 

Ottawa police escalated warning messages to the protesters, including Barber and Lich, as the situation dragged on. The defence for Lich and Barber said the two were following the direction of police throughout the protests.

Warnings provided by police to demonstrators told protesters they must leave and anyone who didn't could be arrested for breaking the law.

The Crown is using the fact protesters, including Barber and Lich, didn't leave as evidence the phrase "hold the line" encouraged them to obstruct police, which they say took place a few days later when police began to remove protesters on Feb. 19.

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Convoy leader texted with ex-premier Brad Wall, current Sask. MLA, docs show

Text messages submitted as evidence in Chris Barber's criminal trial

Text messages retrieved from the cellphone of truck convoy protest leader Chris Barber show contact with a former Saskatchewan premier and a current provincial politician leading up to and during the 2022 protests in Ottawa.

Chris Barber's text messages, retrieved from his phone following his Feb. 17, 2022 arrest, had been sealed by a Superior Court judge. That was partially lifted this week so thousands of his text messages could be submitted as evidence in his criminal trial.

Barber is charged with protest co-organizer Tamara Lich with committing mischief, obstructing police, counselling others to commit mischief and intimidation for their roles in the protest.

The log of text messages contains thousands of messages sent between Barber and hundreds of other numbers.

Not all texts have a name attached and it isn't always clear who Barber is texting.

During her submissions in court, Barber's lawyer Diane Magas did confirm her client exchanged texts with Brad Wall, Saskatchewan's premier from 2007 to 2018, and Saskatchewan Party MLA Hugh Nerlien.

Their names were also attached to conversations with Barber.

A former policitian speaks to media after a portrait ceremony at a legislature. Brad Wall, seen here exactly one year ago, served as the 14th premier of the province from 2007 until his retirement from politics in 2018. He communicated with Barber in early 2022 regarding the event, texts revealed in court show. (Alexander Quon/CBC)

The text messages show Wall and Barber — who both live in the same area of Swift Current, Sask. — communicated before and during the protest in Ottawa.

In the texts, Wall encourages Barber and tells him "the peaceful protest part of all this is key." 

He warns Barber the group will likely be "provoked by counter-protesters and it is so important that they don't take the bait."

Condemn ulterior motives, Wall said

Wall, who led the still-governing Saskatchewan Party, told Barber anyone hitching their wagon to the convoy with ulterior motives should be "openly and roundly condemned." 

He singled out Pat King, another convoy organizer facing criminal charges, and his "Anglo Saxon replacement theory" as an example

On Jan. 28, as Barber was approaching Ottawa, Wall said he thought the convoy was "creating some elbow room for provinces to begin to move away from mandates."

He also told Barber the convoy "needs an endgame." 

"It is clear you will not be changing the feds' minds and certainly no one is resigning. So then what?" 

He tells Barber the convoy could point to recent announcements of mandates ending in Ontario and Saskatchewan to "highlight the support that you have brought to the cause for an end to mandates and restrictions — and declare a victory of sorts." 

It is clear you will not be changing the feds'minds ...So then what?
- Brad Wall text to Chris Barber

Wall suggests Barber consider donating the money they had raised along with a news release headline that would tie the gift to the provincial easing of restrictions. 

Wall also tells Barber he has a family member in the Ottawa area willing to help, and warns Barber a photo of a Terry Fox statue being vandalized is "unravelling online support even among those who previously supported the convoy."

On Feb. 2, weeks before police dismantled the protests, Wall asked Barber if he thinks it is time to "claim victory and end the occupation."

Barber responds by saying "not quite yet" because they are "working with city police to strengthen our spots" and move out of residential areas. 

The communication between the two appears to end on Feb. 7 after Wall shares a tweet with Barber in reference to another convoy participant. 

"He has been the worst to muffle," Barber responds. 

Wall did not respond to calls and emails from CBC to his office.

 A man led toward a police vehicle by two officers.Barber is seen being arrested by Ottawa police officers in downtown Ottawa in February 2022. (Kirk Hill/Facebook)

Saskatchewan MLA expressed support for convoy

Barber's text messages also show he received a message from Nerlien, an MLA for Kelvington-Wadena since 2016. 

After introducing himself in a text, Nerlien writes his government has "numerous challenges with the feds. Appreciate all you're doing. Great well-articulated message." 

Nerlien issued an emailed statement to CBC saying Barber is part of his extended family and texts were not related to his work as an MLA.

"At the time, Premier Moe expressed support for some of the truckers' concerns, in particular their concern about unvaccinated truckers not being allowed to cross the U.S. border, but he also consistently advised the truckers that they should not block border crossings or engage in any other unlawful activity. That was my position as well," the statement read.

Later in the exchange, Barber tells Nerlien he is a "man without a party" because the Saskatchewan government brought in mandates related to COVID-19. 

Nerlien responds by saying Moe is "fighting back everyday but not getting much recognition for it." 

Before the convoy, he tells Barber the "national media are not your friends" and accused some journalists of "spewing" comparisons to the Jan. 6, 2021 riot on Capitol Hill "just to stir the pot." 

Barber responds by saying protesters expected this and "we are up against the government and they are scared." 

Their conversation appears to end on Feb. 6 during the first week of the convoy.

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Lich, Barber begin defence in convoy trial

Defence wants evidence to stand alone against individual it applies to, rather than both accused

Defence lawyers for Tamara Lich and Chris Barber began making their case in an Ottawa courtroom arguing evidence applying to one of the accused should not be used against both.

Lich and Barber are on trial for charges of committing mischief, obstructing police, counselling others to commit mischief and intimidation for their roles in the protest.

Crown prosecutors argue the two worked together in their capacity as leaders of what became the Freedom Convoy and conspired to commit criminal acts when they helped lead demonstrators into downtown Ottawa, where they remained for several weeks and caused significant disruption to residents. 

But Lich and Barber's lawyers argue the Crown didn't provide enough evidence for the court to infer the two worked together at a level where a conspiracy to commit crimes, or a common unlawful purpose, occurred. 

The defence lawyers want the evidence to stand alone against the individual it applies to rather than both of the accused. 

A woman wearing sunglasses carries a disposable coffee cup outside in late summer. Tamara Lich arrives for her trial at the Ottawa Courthouse on Sept. 19, 2023. (Justin Tang/The Canadian Press)

Defence says objectives not 'illegal' 

In his submissions, Lich's lawyer Eric Granger argued that while the protesters had collective objectives to argue against COVID-19 mandates, those objectives were not "inherently illegal."

Granger argued the Crown can't apply evidence to both accused unless they can prove there was an agreement to protest mandates by illegal means. He argued that evidence was not provided as part of the Crown's case. 

"While there is evidence of conduct that can be argued to be illegal by individuals, there is no evidence of an agreement to engage in illegal activity," the defence submission read. "Similarly, there is no evidence of any of the leaders of the Freedom Convoy 2022 agreeing to pursue their ends by way of illegal activity."

Lich's defence admits she uses the phrase "hold the line." Crown prosecutors used this to demonstrate she was encouraging people to stay in Ottawa even after police had told protesters to leave.

Granger argued the phrase's meaning isn't defined by Lich or anyone else, saying it's "speculative" to link the phrase to encouraging illegal activity.

Lich's defence said all of her statements point to her "seeking to engage in a protest that was lawful, safe and peaceful." 

Barber's lawyers have filed a similar submission and are expected to make similar arguments later this week. 

The Crown is expected to respond to the defence's application regarding the evidence once the defence has finished making its submissions on the subject. 

Decision should be after all evidence submitted: Crown

In its written submissions filed with the court, the Crown argues the defence is prematurely bringing its application forward because such arguments are exclusively made after the defence and Crown finish making their respective cases.

The Crown also submitted materials supporting why evidence should simultaneously apply to Lich and Barber.

In its court filings the Crown said Lich and Barber, in their capacity as leaders of the protest, "communicated about attending a meeting to discuss strategy to 'gridlock the city.'"

They allege Lich, after police escalated operations to remove people from Ottawa, encouraged others to join the protest. 

They say she frequently encouraged protesters not to back down or retreat, citing instances she used the phrases "hold the line", "for the long haul" or "this is my hill."

They said Barber encouraged people to honk their horns and to also join the protest.

Justice Heather Perkins-McVey has signalled she doesn't intend on making a decision regarding the application of evidence by week's end. A ruling on how she will use the evidence in her final judgment is expected at a later date. 

Previously sealed texts detailed in court

Several text messages obtained from Chris Barber's cellphone previously sealed by the Superior Court of Justice were unsealed during proceedings on Monday. 

They show Lich and Barber communicating in the days leading up to their Jan. 29, 2021 arrival in Ottawa about logistics and fundraising for the protest. 

The texts also show that, by Jan. 22, Lich was raising concerns with Barber over Pat King, another convoy organizer facing criminal charges for his role in the protests.

Lich told Barber that in regards to King, they had to "control his rhetoric." 

The texts appear to show communication between King and Barber ended shortly after protesters arrived in Ottawa.

Granger argued this indicates there was a divergence in objectives of protesters and an internal struggle of leadership, but maintained the public purpose of the protest from Lich and Barber's perspective was to end COVID-19 mandates. 

He also detailed during his submissions how Lich referred to the protests as a peaceful, family-friendly event and encouraged supporters to report anyone making threats or spreading hate to police, including in a Jan. 29 video she posted to social media. 

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