Sunday 31 March 2019

PM wasn't briefed on Wilson-Raybould's concerns due to holiday break, says Wernick's lawyer

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Replying to and 47 others
Methinks we should not be surprised to see that mean little Mikey Wernick would find a liberal lawyer willing to lie for him for a fee N'esy Pas? 


https://davidraymondamos3.blogspot.com/2019/03/pm-wasnt-briefed-on-wilson-rayboulds.html




https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/wernick-wilson-raybould-recording-trudeau-holiday-break-1.5078639


 

PM wasn't briefed on Wilson-Raybould's concerns due to holiday break, says Wernick's lawyer




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Joe james
PM wasn't briefed ... They really expect Canadians to believe that after all this ?? That is just weak last hail Mary desperation play


Jamie Gillis 
Reply to @Joe james:

Especially when there's evidence that both Justin and Gerald were in Ottawa working as late as December 21st.
 
 
David R. Amos 
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Reply to @Joe james: Methinks I should remind the LIEbranos, Mean Little Mikey Wernick's lawyer Frank Addario and Admiral Norman's lawyer Marie Henein of when we crossed paths long ago N'esy Pas?


David R. Amos
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Reply to @Jamie Gillis: "Especially when there's evidence that both Justin and Gerald were in Ottawa working as late as December 21st."

Methinks its ain't rocket science to understand that no matter where they were the Clerk of the Privy Council could reach the Prime minister and his best buddy Mr Butts byway of the telephone just like he dd the Attorney general as she sat home alone just before Xmas N'esy Pas?


David R. Amos 
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Reply to @Jamie Gillis: "Especially when there's evidence that both Justin and Gerald were in Ottawa working as late as December 21st."

Methinks for reasons of national security at the very least the Clerk of the Privy Council should be able to reach the Prime Minister byway of the telephone no matter where he was just like he dd the Attorney General as she sat home alone . If the Trudeau the Younger was in one of his "moods" I have no doubt whatsoever that he and his best buddy Mr Butts would want to know the bad news right away N'esy Pas?

 

David R. Amos 
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Reply to @Joe james: I wonder how many folks read my comments


David R. Amos 
Reply to @Danbinder Binder: "But guess my job is more important the being the Prime Minister "

I guess so but methinks nobody is buying Wernick's BS N'esy Pas?

"Scheer cited Wernick's own committee testimony that the prime minister was available 24 hours a day and often "woken up in the middle of the night" to be briefed on important issues.

"The idea that he was on vacation and couldn't be briefed about an issue that he took such great interest in, that he sent his principal adviser multiple times to lobby Ms. Wilson-Raybould to interfere in this situation, an issue that he himself had a meeting with her on, and then never asked about it, certainly I'm not buying that," Scheer said."



David R. Amos 
Reply to @Arlond Lynds: "She has thrown away her credibility, Philpott as well."

Yea right Methinks you no doubt think Wernick and his lawyer are oh so credible N'esy Pas?

"Wernick's lawyer's statement said Wernick "never discussed SNC again with the PM or PMO until someone leaked the story to the Globe and Mail in early February."



Aaron Morris:
Reply to @David R. Amos:

Wernick and Trudeau probably don’t see subversion of justice due to political interference to be an important issue, that’s all.










Tom Abbott
Sorry Justin....I just don't buy it......your aide didn't call you about JWR phone conversation because of a holiday......really........what B S. 


David R. Amos 
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Reply to @Tom Abbott: Methinks an amazing number of Canadains wholeheartedly agree with you today N'esy Pas? 


David R. Amos 
Reply to @David R. Amos: Now that was amazing 


Arlond Lynds
Reply to @Tom Abbott:
It is really unforgivable that JWR handled this as she did, if she had concerns over the PM's understanding of the deferred prosecution process it it unforgivable that she did not personally speak with the PM and make sure all aspects including her own rational were clear. Warnick is just a civil servant even if the top one, she should have informed the PM herself, she has no excuse for not doing so. I would kick her out of caucus with Philpott were I in the PM's shoes. Fortunately for them he is much more forgiving than I.




David R. Amos
Reply to @Arlond Lynds: "Warnick is just a civil servant even if the top one"

Methinks it very strange indeed that nobody mentions that in January of 2016 in the second paragraph of Trudeau’s announcement ridding himself of Harper's pal Janice Charette as clerk of the Privy Council and secretary to the cabinet said “the prime minister has asked Mr. Wernick for advice on a process to fill the position on a permanent basis.”

Clearly Wernick must have advised that he was the dude for the job and no doubt Jody Wilson-Raybould and her fellow cabinet ministers approved N'esy Pas?










kenny carter
The budget would have balanced itself this year, except everyone went on holidays.


David R. Amos   
Reply to @kenny carter: Methinks many a true word is said in jest but I bet not many folks found that funny as Mr Prime Minister Trudeau The Younger and his many minions try to buy the next mandate byway of increasing the National Debt in order to support their political campaigns N'esy Pas?











Jon Mark
"Well, I am going to have to report back before he leaves."
Your words Mr. Wernick.
You were either attempting a pressure tactic then, or are not being truthful now.



Adam Gajewski 
Reply to @Jon Mark:
That "vacation" excuse reduced Mr. Wernick's lifetime contributions to Canadian society to zero. Sad end to a career.



David R. Amos 
Reply to @Adam Gajewski: Methinks it was not a moment to soon N'esy Pas? 


Stacey Bindman
Reply to @Arlond Lynds:
No!
Mr. Wernick came to Ms. JWR, so he would have been responsible to report to PM Trudeau!



David R. Amos  
Reply to @Stacey Bindman: I agree










Lucien Beaudet
Mr wernick told her to use all her legal tools in the box...she did mr wernick...and you got busted lol
Reply to @Lucien Beaudet: 

Troy Mann
Recording someone without their knowledge is the lowest of low. She was completely acting during the phone call, she sounded so phoney.


David R. Amos    
Reply to @Lucien Beaudet: Oh So True

David R. Amos
Reply to @Troy Mann: "Recording someone without their knowledge is the lowest of low. She was completely acting during the phone call, she sounded so phoney."

Methinks you should not be surprised to see a liberal lawyer do such a thing N'esy Pas? 



David R. Amos  
Reply to @Aaron Morris: "Recording a bank robbery doesn’t make the robbers any less guilty."


David R. Amos 
Reply to @Stacey Bindman: "I'm sure he would have known or should have known to report back to PM Trudeau whether PM was at home, on a jet, or on vacation!"

David R. Amos 
Reply to @Len Evans: "As a Lawyer, & as a politician, I can only imagine she is very strategic in how she approaches things, so I can't imagine any piece of this whole debacle not being part of a bigger plan"

Of course






 

Richard Dekkar
Nobody believes you Mr. Wernick.


Lucien Beaudet
Reply to @Richard Dekkar: I second that
 
Jamie Gillis
Reply to @Richard Dekkar:

The phone call took place on December 19, but the PM's itinerary and Gerald B.'s twitter feed indicates both of them were working in Ottawa as late as the 21st.

 
David R. Amos 
Reply to @Lucien Beaudet: : I second that

Me Too 



David R. Amos
Reply to @Stacey Bindman: "Gotcha, Mr. Wernick!"

Methinks that there is no way the Mr Wernick and his lawyer can ever dare to deny that I made them aware long ago that I had filed a lawsuit against the Crown in Federal Court (File No T-1557-15) as I was running in the election of the 42nd Parliament while Harper was the Prime Minister, Peter MacKay was the Attorney General and Andrew Scheer was the Speaker. Trudeau and the DND are mentioned in paragraph 83 of the complaint when he was the leader of the third party of the 41st Parliament that had been dissolved. At the time Trudeau was not a member of the government or the Privy Council . I had never heard of the liberal lawyer Jody Wilson-Raybould but i have been arguing her and her many cohorts ever since the election of the 42nd Parliament and she was sworn in to replace MacKay. N'esy Pas?











 


Frank Hammerschmidt
Right up their with the "dog ate my homework" excuses.


Lorne McIntyre
Reply to @Frank Hammerschmidt: I honestly did have a dog eat my homework. I tried to tell the teacher, but she was on holidays.


Nancy Byng
Reply to @Lorne McIntyre: ha ha


David R. Amos  
Reply to @Lorne McIntyre: Very Well Put Sir 


Ernie Amundsen
You know, I bust my hump every day trying to provide for my family and paying well over 50% of my taxes to various levels of government.

It's truly disheartening and apalling watching these inept fools waste my money and ruin my country. 



Ron Brady
Reply to @Ernie Amundsen: Amen!!!


David R. Amos 

Reply to @Ron Brady: I second you 
 






 

Tom Shultz
Wernick, in the recently released recording, states that Trudeau is very interested in this file, is determined to get this done, then Warnick clearly states that he is going to have to report back to Trudeau.

Now, we're told that after this recording Wernick and Trudeau never spoke about the Attorney General's views on the SNC Lavalin.

That's not credible. That's not even close to credible.

Where is the RCMP?



Tracy Mann 
Reply to @Tom Shultz:

Is lying a crime now in Canada?


David R. Amos  
Reply to @Tom Shultz: "Where is the RCMP?"

Methinks Mr Prime Minister Trudeau the Younger and his many minions know that the RCMP have crawled under a rock and ware waiting for me to file my next lawsuit Anyone Can Google David Amos RCMP N'esy Pas?



David R. Amos   
Reply to @Tracy Mann: "Is lying a crime now in Canada?"

Methinks you know as well as I that it is when you are under oath or playing a part in a conspiracy to obstruct justice N'esy Pas?









Brian Rose
Was not important to disturb the boy wonder on one of his many taxpayer paid vacations.

 
David R. Amos  
Reply to @Brian Rose: Methinks Jody Wilson-Raybould ruined his fancy vacation even though the clerk of the PCO won't admit it. However nobody can deny that Mr Prime Minister Trudeau the Younger appointed a new Attorney General not long after he got back to work N'esy Pas?





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Replying to and 47 others
Methinks I should remind the LIEbranos, Mean Little Mikey Wernick's lawyer Frank Addario and Admiral Norman's lawyer Marie Henein of when we crossed paths long ago N'esy Pas?


http://davidraymondamos3.blogspot.com/2017/03/methinks-chief-of-defence-staff-gen.html





https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/wernick-wilson-raybould-recording-trudeau-holiday-break-1.5078639



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Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2017 11:53:02 +0000
Subject: RE: Norman Sabourin, executive director of the Canadian
Judicial Council launches 'Potential misconduct' probe but only after
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Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2017 07:52:50 -0400
Subject: Norman Sabourin, executive director of the Canadian Judicial Council launches
'Potential misconduct' probe but only after his associates in the Crown Corp CBC
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marc.giroux@fja-cmf.gc.ca, mcu@justice.gc.ca, bill.pentney@justice.gc.ca,
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Methinks Mr Norman Sabourin, his buddy Marc A. Giroux, Deputy Commissioner
Federal Judicial Affairs Canada and their cohorts really should be
preparing to argue mean old me in Federal Court N'esy Pas Mr Prime
Minister Trudeau "The Younger" ???

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RE Justice Camp malicious nonsense versus the RCMP, Peter MacKay
Federal Court, the Canadian Judicial Council and its cover up of the
Monumental Newfy sexual abuse issues


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PM wasn't briefed on Wilson-Raybould's concerns due to holiday break, says Wernick's lawyer

Lawyer for top civil servant said PM wasn't briefed on former AG's concerns as 'everyone went on holidays'


Clerk of the Privy Council Michael Wernick waits to appear before the Commons justice committee in Ottawa in February. (Adrian Wyld/Canadian Press)

Canada's top civil servant didn't brief Prime Minister Justin Trudeau on a secretly recorded phone conversation with then-Attorney General Jody Wilson-Raybould about SNC-Lavalin because everyone "went on holidays the next day," according to his lawyer.

A statement released on Saturday by the lawyer for Michael Wernick, the clerk of the Privy Council, comes a day after the House of Commons justice committee released an audio recording made by Wilson-Raybould of a Dec. 19 call between herself and Wernick.

Wernick — who was not aware he was being recorded in the 17-minute call — is heard warning Wilson-Raybould that Trudeau was "quite determined" to prevent SNC-Lavalin's criminal trial from leading to job losses.










Wernick said Trudeau wanted to know why the then-justice minister hadn't used a new legal tool to allow the Quebec-based engineering giant to avoid a criminal trial on corruption-related charges.

Wilson-Raybould is heard repeatedly stating that she thought the conversation with Wernick was inappropriate and that she wanted to protect the prime minister and the integrity of the government.

Conflicting claims


In contrast to Wilson-Raybould's testimony on Friday where she alleged Trudeau was set on stopping the criminal prosecution, Wernick's lawyer said the PM was not aware of her concerns, and the SNC case was not a priority for the PMO.

In the statement from lawyer Frank Addario, Wernick raised the issue with the then-attorney-general "as part of his job to manage relations between the PM and his cabinet ministers."

Addario said Wernick didn't brief Trudeau on Wilson-Raybould's concerns because, following their phone conversation, "everyone went on holidays the next day."
The statement appears to shed some light on how Trudeau could have been left in the dark about Wilson-Raybould's concerns. 

Trudeau's spokesperson, Cameron Ahmad, said the Prime Minister's Office was unaware of the full contents of the audio recording until it was played to lawmakers on Friday.

"When everyone returned at beginning of January, the first burning issue was the [Scott] Brison resignation and a Cabinet shuffle," the statement from Wernick's lawyer said.

"The SNC issue never made it back to the top of the discussion list."

The statement said Wernick "never discussed SNC again with the PM or PMO until someone leaked the story to the Globe and Mail in early February."

Wernick will be leaving his post as Canada's top civil servant before the federal election this fall. 

Watch as Wilson-Raybould's secret SNC-Lavalin recording shines light on controversy:



The National
Wilson-Raybould's secret SNC-Lavalin recording shines light on controversy

 A recording made by Jody Wilson-Raybould of a 17-minute Dec. 19 call between herself and Privy Council Clerk Michael Wernick has been released. This, the latest in the unraveling SNC-Lavalin controversy that has the former attorney general pitted against Prime Minister Justin Trudeau. 5:43





Saturday 30 March 2019

PM wanted SNC-Lavalin deal 'one way or another,' Wernick told Wilson-Raybould in secretly recorded call

https://twitter.com/DavidRayAmos/with_replies





Replying to and 47 others 
Methinks what we are watching is an attempt at a "Palace Coup" of sorts N'esy Pas? 


https://davidraymondamos3.blogspot.com/2019/03/pm-wanted-snc-lavalin-deal-one-way-or.html





https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/wilson-raybould-justice-committee-documents-audio-1.5076563





PM wanted SNC-Lavalin deal 'one way or another,' Wernick told Wilson-Raybould in secretly recorded call




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Joshua Trager
My bet is that Wernick has a perfect recollection of how the conversation went down and after having submitted his recollection in private to Liberal lawyers, was promptly asked to resign.  


David R. Amos

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Reply to @Joshua Trager: "My bet is that Wernick has a perfect recollection of how the conversation went down"

I agree Methinks folks should not be surprised to learn that he taped it too N'esy Pas?









Alex Smith
Next Step: PM resignation with a tearful apology.


David R. Amos
Reply to @Alex Smith: "Next Step: PM resignation with a tearful apology"

Methinks the fat lady ain't sung yet N'esy Pas?. 



Steve McNally
Reply to @David R. Amos: No not a tearful apology... a hollow apology like the one he gave yesterday to the Indians at Grassy Meadows











Steve Graham
JWR has had this card up her sleeve the whole time, my suspicion is if Justin had done the honorable thing and been honest about the lavalin affair JWR would not be disclosing such information


David R. Amos
Reply to @Steve Graham: "JWR has had this card up her sleeve the whole time,"

There are more than one cards up people's sleeves Methinks Admiral Norman lawyers could have used Federal Court File No T-1557-15 anytime they wished to stop his prosecution but by Monday they may be way past too late to appear even remotely ethical N'esy Pas? 







 


Tobias Butts
Lot of scared Liberals on here posting. I thought they would be rejoicing. Justin has maintained his innocence and that nothing happened. These recordings should be a blessing for him as it will prove all along that he was truthful....right.


Joe Smithson
Reply to @Tobias Butts:

On the contrary, the tapes show nothing illegal 



David R. Amos
Reply to @Joe Smithson: "On the contrary, the tapes show nothing illegal "

True However methinks Trudeau's BS on this issue stinks to the high heavens N'esy Pas?











Buford Wilson
A bombshell.
This may blow the lid off the Liberal government. 



David R. Amos
Reply to @Buford Wilson: YUP 


Bill Mickey
Reply to @Buford Wilson: Correction Has blown the lid off the Trudeau government. 


David R. Amos
Reply to @Bill Mickey: Not yet Methinks it has a slow fuse so we can enjoy the circus N'esy Pas?









Buford Wilson
It's not getting better for justin. It's getting worse.
He needs to come clean about this matter.
What is he trying to hide.



John Chow
Reply to @Buford Wilson:
Not only is it getting worse, he is actively making it worse.



David R. Amos
Reply to @John Chow: 'Not only is it getting worse, he is actively making it worse."

YUP









Cecil Row
It now seems obvious that Wernick knew he was recorded when he said the "wire" thing-and thus is why he left. As did GB....right or wrong-they were scared and why woudl they be if they felt they did no wrong.


David R. Amos
Reply to @Cecil Row: "It now seems obvious that Wernick knew he was recorded when he said the "wire" thing-and thus is why he left"

True i briefly wondered why he said such a thing at the time but dismissed it as just another one of the many wacky things he was spouting off about










Rod Begin
Tricky Dickie Nixon was brought by taped conversations, maybe the same will come to pass for our illustrious Prime Minister.


David R. Amos
Reply to @Rod Begin: I conur 


David R. Amos
Reply to @David R. Amos: Concur ( My "c" tab is getting tired)  









Tobias Butts
"""""I did not record the conversation. I did not wear a wire. I did not take notes """

Not to worry, JWR did. Can't wait to hear it. Wonder what trick Trudeau will pull here to make the recording go away.  



Stanley Baird
Reply to @Tobias Butts: the recording is away - see the link above. I encourage everyone to listen to it for themselves  


David R. Amos
Reply to @Stanley Baird: "I encourage everyone to listen to it for themselves"

Me Too









Sam Kelly
I have so much respect for Jodi,


Ross Culbert
Reply to @Sam Kelly: I'd have more if she wasn't still a Liberal and wasn't attempting to backtrack the fact that Trudeau fired her for not obeying the PMO's wishes to interfere in this trial.
It's blatantly obvious, but she is still trying to save her seat in the Liberal party. 



David R. Amos
Reply to @Ross Culbert: Methinks what we are watching is an attempt at a "Palace Coup" o sorts N'esy Pas?




PM wanted SNC-Lavalin deal 'one way or another,' Wernick told Wilson-Raybould in secretly recorded call

Former attorney general filed written statement, texts and emails to the Commons justice committee


Jody Wilson-Raybould delivers her opening statement as she appears at the Justice committee meeting last month. Wilson-Raybould submitted more material to the members of the committee this week. (Adrian Wyld/Canadian Press )


The country's top bureaucrat warned Jody Wilson-Raybould that Prime Minister Justin Trudeau was "quite determined" to prevent SNC-Lavalin's criminal trial from leading to job losses — and wanted to know why the then-justice minister hadn't used a new legal tool to allow the company to avoid a criminal trial.

A recording made by Wilson-Raybould of a 17-minute Dec. 19 call between herself and Privy Council Clerk Michael Wernick was released today, along with 43 pages of emails, texts and a written statement from Wilson-Raybould herself which were tabled to the Commons justice committee.

Wernick — who was not aware he was being recorded — told the minister there was "rising anxiety" over the fate of a major employer.


"He's quite determined, quite firm," Wernick said of the prime minister's position on getting a deferred prosecution agreement (DPA) for the Quebec-based engineering company. "But he wants to know why the DPA route, which Parliament provided for, isn't being used. And I think he's going to find a way to get it done, one way or another."

Listen to the call:


The House
Listen to the Jody Wilson-Raybould's conversation with Wernick



 Former attorney general Jody Wilson-Raybould recorded a conversation with Privy Council Clerk Michael Wernick as she faced pressure over SNC-Lavalin file. 17:25

In her written statement, Wilson-Raybould explains why she recorded the call.
 
She said she normally has a staff member present to take careful notes, but on this occasion she was alone in her Vancouver condo.

"I was anxious to ensure that I had an exact record of what was discussed as I had reason to believe that it was likely to be an an inappropriate conversation," she wrote.

"So while I typed out notes during the phone call, I took the extraordinary and otherwise inappropriate step of making an audio recording of the conversation without so advising the Clerk. This is something that I have never done before this phone call and have not done since."

Why she resigned


In her statement, Wilson-Raybould also sheds new light on why she resigned from cabinet on Feb. 12.
Conservatives have suggested she was fired from the justice portfolio and moved to Veterans Affairs for refusing to budge on the SNC-Lavalin matter.

But Wilson-Raybould said that while she initially thought she'd been shunted to Veterans over the SNC-Lavalin affair, she ultimately decided that was not the reason.

"After much reflection, I decided to take the prime minister at his word, that this was not the case, and accepted a post I was honoured to have as the Minister of Veterans Affairs and Associate Minister of National Defence," she wrote.

Wilson-Raybould went on to say that a subsequent series of meetings with Trudeau in Vancouver, and a Feb. 11 news conference, led to her resignation:

"The prime minister stated publicly, when issues about the propriety of the government's conduct in relation to the SNC matter arose, that my ongoing presence in cabinet spoke for itself. I resigned the next day, and I trust my resignation also speaks for itself."

That news conference came just days after the explosive Feb. 7 Globe and Mail story which first reported the allegations of inappropriate political pressure on Wilson-Raybould to intervene in the SNC-Lavalin case.

When Trudeau was asked at that press conference about inappropriate pressure on Wilson-Raybould, he said she "confirmed" a conversation she had with him in the fall where he said any decision on the matter was hers alone. He said he was limited in terms of what more he could say because of cabinet confidentiality.

"In our system of government, of course, her presence in cabinet should actually speak for itself," he said at the time.

While Wilson-Raybould and former cabinet minister Jane Philpott have suggested there is much more to tell in the story, today Wilson-Raybould said she has now divulged all her relevant information.

"I do not believe I have anything further to offer a formal process regarding this specific matter, though of course if compelled or asked to participate in a judicial, investigative or parliamentary process I would do so," she said.

Conservative Leader Andrew Scheer said this is more evidence the prime minister has lost the moral authority to govern and must resign.

"Justin Trudeau also told Canadians what he knew to be false," he said. "He knew that his attorney general had serious concerns about his plan to get SNC-Lavalin off of serious criminal charges. But he looked Canadians in the eye and told them that no one had raised concerns with him. This is false and he owes Canadians an explanation."

When Wernick testified before the committee for a second time on March 6, he said he did not have "independent recollection" of what he said during a Dec. 19 conversation with Wilson-Raybould.

'I did not wear a wire': Wernick


"I did not record the conversation. I did not wear a wire. I did not take notes and that is not my recollection of how the conversation flowed," he testified.


'I did not wear a wire:' Wernick
 During his testimony on March 6, Clerk of the Privy Council Michael Wernick said he did not record his conversations. 0:28

Wernick resigned as Privy Council clerk, the country's top civil servant, on Mar. 18, saying there was "no path" for him to have a "relationship of mutual trust and respect" with opposition party leaders.

Wernick's first appearance in front of the justice committee was widely criticized by Opposition MPs and pundits as partisan for the way he defended the behaviour of various government officials.
He is set to officially leave his post on April 19.

During the recorded call released today, Wilson-Raybould repeatedly stated that she thought the conversation with Wernick was inappropriate and that she wanted to protect the prime minister and the integrity of the government. In his testimony before the justice committee, Wernick said that Wilson-Raybould could have raised her concerns about inappropriate pressure, but did not.

Trudeau still 'wishes' Wilson-Raybould had come to him: PMO


Trudeau's spokesman, Cameron Ahmad, issued a statement Friday saying that the Prime Minister's Office was unaware of the full contents of the audio recording and now acknowledge that Trudeau "should have spoken directly with the former justice minister and attorney general about this matter — and he wishes that she had come to him."

Ahmad said there has clearly been an erosion of trust "over the past few months" between Wilson-Raybould, Wernick and the PMO and that steps are being taken to improve cabinet relations.

"All the facts are on the table now, and everyone involved has shared their perspective, including the prime minister. We are focused on moving forward as a team on the issues that matter to Canadians and governing in the best interests of the country," Ahmad said.

In an interview with CBC Radio's The House to air Saturday, Conservative deputy leader Lisa Raitt said Wernick sounded uncomfortable, likely because he was doing something inappropriate in delivering the prime minister's message.

"He didn't give her comfort. He didn't say, 'That's okay Jody.' He landed it with, 'Well I guess we've got nothing else to talk about,'" she told host Chris Hall.

"So he is complicit in it. He threatened her job and he threatened her position. There's no question about it. And he did it on the behest of the prime minister. He may have sounded uncomfortable doing it, but he still did it."

NDP Leader Jagmeet Singh said the fresh evidence is so compelling that a public inquiry must be called to get to the bottom of the affair.

"The PMO has tried to spin this as a miscommunication or personal disagreement. What we see in this submission is a lawyer acting in her client's best interests to protect him from his own recklessness," he said in a statement. "The former attorney general repeatedly made clear to the prime minister and those around him that their inappropriate actions would be seen as political interference, and they ignored her."

Former justice minister and attorney general Jody Wilson-Raybould submitted written material to the Commons justice committee this week for its study of the SNC-Lavalin affair. The material, released by the committee Friday, included a recording of her conversation with Privy Council Clerk Michael Wernick. (Canadian Press photos)

As attorney-general, Wilson-Raybould was acting as the government's lawyer and was bound by solicitor-client privilege. In Canada, it is not illegal for a person to record a conversation with another person without their knowledge — but it would be unusual for a solicitor to knowingly record conversations with a client without informing them first.

Many law societies, including the B.C. Law Society and the Law Society of Ontario, forbid lawyers from recording conversations with clients without their knowledge under code of conduct rules.

Wilson Raybould was called to the Ontario bar in June 2016 under a section of the Barristers Act which entitles a minister of justice and attorney general of Canada or solicitor general of Canada to be called to the bar.
Trudeau's waiver on cabinet confidence and solicitor-client privilege allows Wilson-Raybould to speak freely about events up to her departure as justice minister and attorney general. It does not cover the period when she remained in cabinet after being moved to Veterans Affairs.

Pressure, veiled threats


She testified on Feb. 27 that she faced intense, inappropriate pressure and veiled threats for refusing to overturn a decision by the director of the Public Prosecution Service of Canada to deny the Quebec-based construction and engineering company a DPA, and instead proceed with criminal charges.

SNC-Lavalin faces bribery and fraud charges related to contracts in Libya, and could be barred from bidding on federal contracts for ten years if convicted.

Liberal MPs on the justice committee used their majority to close down the hearing without recalling Wilson-Raybould to testify a second time. That prompted the Conservatives to trigger a 31-hour voting marathon in the House of Commons last week in protest.

Liberals also used their majority on the Commons ethics committee to block an inquiry into the SNC-Lavalin affair.

The NDP is pushing for an independent public inquiry, while the Conservatives have requested an RCMP investigation and Trudeau's resignation.


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Read Jody Wilson-Raybould's latest SNC-Lavalin evidence

Justice committee releases submission of emails, texts from former justice minister

Former justice minister and attorney general Jody Wilson-Raybould submitted written material to the Commons justice committee this week for its study of the SNC-Lavalin affair. The material, released by the committee Friday, included a recording of her conversation with Privy Council Clerk Michael Wernick. (Canadian Press photos)

The Commons justice committee has released a package of documents submitted by former justice minister and attorney general Jody Wilson-Raybould as part of the committee's investigation of the SNC-Lavalin affair.

Wilson-Raybould stepped down from Prime Minister Justin Trudeau's cabinet on Feb. 12 following the publication of a Globe and Mail article alleging "inappropriate" pressure on her by officials in the Prime Minister's Office and others to grant engineering giant SNC-Lavalin a deferred prosecution agreement.

Wilson-Raybould appeared before MPs on the Commons justice committee on Feb. 27, where she discussed conversations she had with Trudeau, Privy Council Clerk Michael Wernick and Finance Minister Bill Morneau, among others.

She was granted a waiver by Trudeau to discuss matters covered by cabinet confidence and solicitor-client privilege during the time she was attorney general. She has complained that the waiver is not broad enough to allow her to tell her full story. After her testimony, Wernick returned to the committee to testify for a second time.
Last week, Wilson-Raybould said she would table with the committee copies of the emails and texts she cited in her testimony, along with "relevant facts and evidence in my possession that further clarify statements I made and elucidate the accuracy and nature of statements by witnesses in testimony that came after my committee appearance."

She added that the documents would pertain "to matters within the confines of the waiver of cabinet confidence and solicitor-client privilege."
According to Anthony Housefather, the Liberal chair of the justice committee, the documents and audio clip released Friday were not redacted by the committee. However there are redactions in her filings.

Listen to the audio clip and read the documents below:

 

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Listen to the Jody Wilson-Raybould's conversation with Wernick

 Former attorney general Jody Wilson-Raybould recorded a conversation with Privy Council Clerk Michael Wernick as she faced pressure over SNC-Lavalin file. 17:25
Transcript of the Dec. 19 call between Jody Wilson-Raybould ("JWR") and Privy Council Clerk Michael Wernick ("MW") 


Michael Wernick: Hello.

Jody Wilson-Raybould: Hello Michael, it is Jody.

MW: Hi, sorry about the phone tag.

JWR: That's ok.

MW: I am not calling you about litigation directive. l am calling about the other unpleasant [Note: Her transcript says "important"] one - the deferred prosecution agreement thing and SNC and so on. I wanted to pass on where the PM is at. So our intelligence from various sources is that company is getting to [a very serious point now... the board has asked consulting firms for options for the board for their next meeting, which could be selling out to somebody else, moving ... you know, various things.

JWR: Yep.

MW: So it seems to be real and not a bluff. Like another rising anxiety, as you can imagine, about a signature firm and job loss and all that coming after the Oshawa thing and what is going on in Calgary and what not. So the PM wants to be able to say that he has tried everything, he can within legitimate toolbox to try to head that off. So he is quite determined, quite firm but he wants to know why the DPA route, which Parliament provided for, isn't being used. And I think he is gonna find a way to get it done one way or another. So, he is in that kinda mood and I wanted you to be aware of that.

JWR: OK.

MW: I don't know if he is going to call you directly —  he might — and he is willing, I think he is thinking about getting somebody else to give him some advice. He doesn't' want to do anything outside the box of what is legal or proper — but his understanding is, you know, the DPA tool is there and you have options that we talked about before to ask for reasoning from the DPP or even take over the prosecution. He just wants to understand more at this point of why the DPA route is not taken up on this route. So he is thinking on bringing someone in like [former Supreme Court chief justice] Bev McLachlin to give him advice on this or to give you advice if you want to feel more comfortable that you're not doing anything that is inappropriate or outside the frame of..

JWR: I am 100 per cent confident that l am doing nothing inappropriate.

MW: Yeah, no, but would not be if you decided to use some of these tools under the law. Cause I think he feels that the government has to have done everything that I can before we lose 9,000 jobs and a signature Canadian firm.

JWR: Right. So, um. Again I am confident in where I am at, and my views on SNC and the DPA haven't changed. This is a constitutional principle of prosecutorial independence that, Michael, I have to say including this conversation, previous conversations that I have had with prime minister and many other people around it,  it is entirely inappropriate and it is political interference. The prime minister obviously can talk to whomever he wants, but what I am trying to do is to protect him. I can have a conversation with Beverley McLachlin. I can call her right now.  I am just issuing the strongest warning I can possibly issue that decisions that are made by the independent prosecutor are their decisions. We gave her, and them, the tools, the additional tools. I made it very clear at the cabinet table and other places that these tools are the discretion of the prosecutor and everybody agreed to that and that there was no guarantee that there would be a DPA in this or any other case. So we are treading on dangerous ground here so I am going to issue my stern warning because I can't act in a manner, and the prosecution can't act in a manner, that is not objective, that isn't independent. I can't act in a partisan way and it can't be politically motivated. All of this screams of that. So I am actually uncomfortable having this conversation, but l am happy to talk to you. I can, I'll call Beverley McLachlin, I can't even imagine her feeling in any way, shape or form comfortable with  interfering with the independent prosecutor.

MW: OK, but I mean I think that is where people are talking past each other. I mean I think the view that he's formed — which I think I share, I am not the lawyer in any of these conversations — and [senior PMO adviser] Elder [Marques] and others is it is not interference. The statute specifically has these other provisions in it that allow you to ask questions of the DPP and that is provided for. It's not interference...

JWR: But I would have to issue a directive, I would have to Gazette this. The prosecutor, the director..
MW: Yes.

JWR:...whom I know and understand after having several conversations with her about another directive on HIV that I issued, she is a by-the-book person. If this is Gazetted, this will be — and I hear you on the jobs and wanting to save jobs, I mean we all want to do that — this goes far beyond saving jobs, this is about the integrity of the prime minister and interference. There is no way that anybody would interpret this other than interference if I was to step in. It doesn't matter how I would look in doing that — I would be a mockery and that is not the problem — the bigger problem is what it would look like down the road for the government. It is not about jobs — and I know that jobs are important so I do not want anybody to misinterpret that I don't care about those jobs — this is about the integrity of the government and recognizing that there is the ability to issue a directive under the act it is still irrespective of the ability that I have to do that: one, it has never been done before but two, this is going to look like nothing but political interference by the prime minister, by you, by everybody else that has been involved in this politically pressuring me to do this.

MW: Well...um...

JWR: I actually really feel uncomfortable having this conversation because it's wrong. And the prime minister obviously can call me. Like I said to you I will have a conversation, I am going to call Beverley McLachlin and have a conversation about this with her.

MW: Well... of course it has not been done before because Parliament only created the instrument barely a year ago...

JWR: No, no, no. This instrument was, you mean the directive?

MW: Yes.

JWR: The directive on a specific prosecution has never occurred and this happened because [former prime minister Stephen] Harper brought this law in as you probably know 10 years ago. The directive or the DPA has never been used because it just entered the Criminal Code back in September so l understand that this is the first case. The prosecutor sent me what is called a section 13, you told me that you hadn't seen it before , but I read it and have reread it and the Prime Minister's Office has a copy of it. She explains in it why she is not doing it in this case. We have to, I have to be — unless it is something outrageous — comfortable with the decision, recognizing it is the first one likely and obviously, I am confident, wasn't entered into lightly, made the decision not to enter into a DPA with respect to this case. And she explained why.

MW: So when did she convey that to you?

JWR: She issued the section 13 back in September when was down in Australia for the Five Eyes and then all this transpired. I mean I have a timeline of every single conversation and everything that everybody has said to me on this so...um ... like ... anyway.. I..just again..I'm surprised that you and I are having this conversation but I am just saying that I really feel uncomfortable about the appropriateness of this conversation.

MW: OK, l understand that, but I mean I think his view is that his is not asking you to do anything inappropriate or interfere. He is asking you to use all the tools that you lawfully have at your disposal ... um..

JWR: I know I have a tool under the prosecution act that I can use. I do not believe it is appropriate to use tool in this case.

MW: OK. Alright. That is clear. Um. Well, I mean his is in a very firm mood about this so ...

JWR: Does he understand the gravity of what this potentially could mean? This is not just about saving jobs, this is about interfering with one of our fundamental institutions. This is like breaching a constitutional principle of prosecutorial independence.

MW: Well, I don't think he sees it as that...

JWR: Well then no one is explaining that to him Michael! We can stand up in the House of Commons on [the case of Vice-Admiral Mark] Norman on — totally appropriately on Norman— on extradition and we can talk about the rule of law, um, the cases aren't dissimilar. The principle or the integrity of how we act and respond to the tools that we have available and what we should and shouldn't do, I'm again, I just, I don't know.

MW: OK. Then I am, I respect where you are coming from, I just think...

JWR: You know what, I hope that you do because I don't think anybody respects this. The conversation that Gerry [Butts] and Katie [Telford] had with my chief of staff and I have it — like she wrote down what they said — like saying that they don't want to hear anymore about the legalities, but want to talk about jobs — entirely inappropriate.
MW: OK, well I mean I wasn't..

JWR: I have it. I have it all.

MW: OK, but you are not just the attorney general, you are the minister of justice in a cabinet and you have context in which you exercise your roles and responsibilities. Like I am not seeing anything inappropriate here, but, um, I mean you're right not that..and the PM, I think people are talking past each think other. I think the way he sees it and the advice he is getting is that you still have things that you can do that are not interference and are still very much lawful. So.

JWR: It is not that they're not lawful, the perception and what will happen is that it will be deemed political interference from day one when people were talking about, 'Why are we entering into or putting in a DPA regime in place?' Everybody knows it was because of SNC whether that's true or not that is what people think.

MW: It is a tool used in lots of other countries though ...
JWR: Fair.

MW: ...for these kinds of purposes and especially if there has been a change of ownership or management of the company that is being prosecuted. It is a public policy tool.

JWR: Fair, but in our MCs all the way up and in the law that we changed we gave the director of public prosecutions the discretion to enter into the DPAs and a judge to oversee the regime. There is no guarantee in any particular case — this one or the ones that will come — that they'll enter into the DPAs or think it's appropriate to do so. And that is what we consciously made the decision on when we decided as a cabinet to enter into this process and I amending the law.

MW: Is there anybody that can talk to Kathleen then about the context around this or to get her to explain why she's not..I mean I guess the company has dealt [Note: Her transcript said 'talked'] with her directly but..

JWR: The company has and Michael there was a preliminary inquiry, I am still trying to get an update on what happened at the preliminary inquiry. The suggestion that I made ages ago, of which Gerry talked to you about in Montreal, was, like if, nobody from the company ever contacted me or sent me a letter expressing concern. Had that happened I would have done what I believed appropriate, would have been to forward that letter on to the director of public prosecutions.

MW: I think they have made direct representations to the prosecutor and they tried to make the public interest argument and so on and so on. But they gave the impression that they are not being listened to so...

JWR: Yeah.

MW: Hm. Alright. Um. Well, I am going to have to report back before he leaves. He's in a pretty firm frame of mind about this though, so I am a bit worried ...
JWR: Bit worried about what?

MW: Well, it's not a good idea for the prime minister and his attorney general to be at loggerheads. It's just not, you know...

JWR: Well, I feel that I am giving him my best advice and if he doesn't accept that advice then it's his prerogative to do what he wants. But I am trying to protect the prime minister from political interference —perceived or otherwise.

MW: I understand that, but he doesn't have the power to do what he wants. All the tools are in your hands so....

JWR: OK, so then, I mean, I am having like thoughts of like the Saturday Night Massacre here, Michael, like to be honest with you. And this is not a great place for me to be in, I don't relish being in this place, but what I
am confident of is that I have given the prime minister my best advice to protect him and to protect the constitutional principle of prosecutorial independence.

MW: OK. Alright. But I am worried about a collision then because he is pretty firm about this. I just saw him a few hours ago and this is really important to him and..OK..There is not much more we can cover now then. I understand where you're coming from. The section 13 response from Kathleen, you're saying Elder [Marques] has that or had a version of that?

JWR: The Prime Minister's Office has had it since September, since I've had it.

MW: Since September. OK that is important, that is new to me so. OK. Alright. Um...

JWR: They'll tell you that they haven't received a copy of it. Elder and Mathieu [Bouchard] said it to me when they came to my office, um, but we have documented evidence in terms of emails etcetera where that has been provided. So they do have it, maybe they have misplaced it. I can send it back over to them but I know that Jessica asked the other day when she was over at the PMO's office...

MW: And what did they tell her, that they didn't have it or that they'd never seen it or?

JWR: I'll have to ask. I'll tell you exactly what they said. I'll have to ask her.

MW: My advice is that Jessica should send it to Elder then just to make it "tripley" sure they have it.

JWR: Ok, I will get her to do that right now.

MW: Alright thanks for calling me.

JWR: Thanks.

MW: Thanks for calling back so quickly.

JWR: No problem.

MW: OK, he is still around tomorrow, um, so, um, there's a number of things on the go right now [Note: This was transcribed as "inaudible in her documents.]

JWR: I am waiting for the big, the other shoe to drop. So I am not under any illusion how the prime minister has and gets things that he wants and I am just stuck doing the best job that I can...

MW: OK. Alright.

JWR: OK.

MW: Talk again.

JWR: Thanks, bye.
 
 
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