Friday, 9 August 2024

J.D. Irving presents wind farm plans to rowdy public meeting

 

 

J.D. Irving presents wind farm plans to rowdy public meeting

Residents of Juniper area loudly shared concerns over project

Residents had their first chance to speak face to face with J.D. Irving project leads about the Brighton Wind Farm in a meeting that devolved into a disorderly spectacle with audience members shouting over and heckling company experts trying to answer their questions.

The $550-million project, financed solely by JDI, would be the largest in the province, with 58 wind turbines, slightly larger than the Kent Hills Wind Farm outside Moncton.  

JDI plans to break ground next year, and power would be sold to N.B. Power to help decarbonize the province's energy grid, according to the company website set up for the project. The property is already owned by the company and is the site of active forestry.

About 30 company officials and experts gathered to show off poster boards to explain different aspects of the project in a community hall followed by a Q&A session.

WATCH | What citizens had to say about the Irving wind farm:
 

Tension and shouting at first public meeting for Irving wind farm

Residents had their first chance to speak with J.D. Irving project leads about the $550-million Brighton Wind Farm the company plans to break ground on next year.

Concerns, some not scientifically proven, about how the project will affect the water supply, residents and wildlife, accusations of biased environmental studies, and allegations of poor communication from the company were all brought up by people in the crowd of about 100. 

A spokesperson for Hatch, the company hired by JDI for the environmental consultation, told the crowd that studies to date have shown no significant impacts on animals or humans from the proposed project.

"From this session, I think the most important thing is just making sure that we answer all of the questions that the community has, and address any information they may have heard elsewhere," Dion Hanrahan, JDI's vice-president of energy, said in an interview before the meeting.

He said residents would be welcome to follow up via an email address that the company set up for the project.

Lone supporter speaks out at meeting

Only one member of the crowd, David Hunter of Florenceville-Bristol, attempted to speak in favour of the project before being interrupted by others, leading him to shout back. 

"The world is in a climate crisis, and here people are doing this not-in-my-backyard syndrome stuff. This project is the way forward to decarbonize our electrical grid," Hunter shouted as he turned his back on the JDI panel to address the crowd.

In an interview after the Q&A session, Hunter apologized for raising his voice but said he viewed many of the concerns raised as "very subtle," and called for people to look at the bigger picture. 

"I was like a snowball in hell. There was an incredible amount of negativity and cynicism and sarcasm about this project," Hunter said.

David Hunter David Hunter from Florenceville-Bristol was the only audience member who spoke in favour of the project during the Q&A session. (Shane Fowler/CBC)

He called some people's concerns about noise from the wind farm "laughable," questioning why they took issue with that but not the constant loud noises from ATVs he constantly hears in the area.

"As a citizen of the planet, I'm in favour of more green energy, especially here in New Brunswick."

Residents say emails not answered, JDI says they were

Many residents audibly groaned and began shouting anytime the email address was mentioned as a way to get answers that the panel could not immediately provide. 

People shouted that they only received automated responses, and others disputed JDI's claim that the company distributed flyers about the project and Thursday's meeting to hundreds of people in the area. 

"What I can say about the emails, there are a number of us on this team who read every single one," said Renée Morais, JDI's director of environmental affairs.

J.D. Irving The meeting was at times tense, with audience members shouting over J.D. Irving project leads and refuting their claims that emails were responded to. (Shane Fowler/CBC)

She said "dozens" of emails have been responded to, and that only three currently needed responses.

When asked what it would take to stop the project, Morais said following the environmental impact assessment submitted in April, the project is now being reviewed by regulators at all three levels of government. The EIA is available publicly on the project website.

If approved, "JDI had full intention to proceed with this project," Morais said.

Several residents posted protest signs outside the community hall with messages like, "Stop the war on nature" and referred to the wind turbines as the "58 monsters."

Leslie Noel Butler, who lives on South Ridge Road, near Brighton Mountain, spoke out against Hunter's claim that people voicing concern were NIMBYs. Many of those in attendance are part of the South Knowlesville Land Trust Project, an off-grid commune. 

"Now the land that they live in and love so much is going to be changed unalterably without them having any say," Noel Butler said.

Woman with long, greying dark hair looks directly at the camera. Leslie Noel Butler lives near Brighton Mountain and expressed concern over accusations of NIMBYism from Hunter. (Shane Fowler/CBC)

"So I think the accusation of NIMBYism is a little unfair, considering they don't use any of the resources that Irving is seeking to harvest from their world."

She also expressed concern about JDI clear cutting, which she said has already caused negative effects in the region.

JDI officials said only 447 hectares would need to be cleared to build bases for the turbines and new roads.

Aiyana Rahhali Aiyana Rahhali asked why the wind farm couldn't be placed on land that was already clear cut or farm fields. (Shane Fowler/CBC)

Aiyana Rahhali is involved with the off-grid commune and was one of the younger attendees to speak out during the meeting.

"This is my home, this is my future, and I care about my land and the land that I grew up on," Rahhali said, adding that she was pleasantly surprised by how many people showed up Thursday.

"I'm not against windmills per se, I'm against where they're putting it on that mountain behind my house," she said, questioning why the wind farm couldn't go in a field or land already clear cut.

No bird migratory paths over mountain, company says

When asked why this location was chosen Hanrahan told the crowd that studies had found the mountain to have high wind levels, and existing logging roads would minimize the need for any additional clear cutting for the project. 

The company also has trained staff who visit areas being clear cut to make sure no endangered animals or vegetation are harmed and no dens are in the area, Morais said in an interview.

Concerns about birds are valid, Morais added.

Brighton Mountain Brighton Mountain is already the site of active forestry, Morais said. (Shane Fowler/CBC)

"I think if a bird were to encounter a wind turbine blade, I'm not going to lie, it may not end well for that bird," she said.

JDI has been conducting bird flight pattern studies on Brighton Mountain for a year and a half, she said.

"What we are seeing based on some of the preliminary information is that we're thankful that we're not on a major migratory path," she said.

An adaptive bird and bat management plan would also be approved by government regulators and followed for the project, she said.

ABOUT THE AUTHOR


Sam Farley

Journalist

Sam Farley is a Fredericton-based reporter at CBC New Brunswick. Originally from Boston, he is a journalism graduate of the University of King's College in Halifax. He can be reached at sam.farley@cbc.ca

 
 
 
136 Comments 
 
 
 
David Amos
Leslie Noel Butler, who lives on South Ridge Road, near Brighton Mountain, spoke out against Hunter's claim that people voicing concern were NIMBYs. Many of those in attendance are part of the South Knowlesville Land Trust Project, an off-grid commune.

"Now the land that they live in and love so much is going to be changed unalterably without them having any say," Noel Butler said.

"So I think the accusation of NIMBYism is a little unfair, considering they don't use any of the resources that Irving is seeking to harvest from their world."

She also expressed concern about JDI clear cutting, which she said has already caused negative effects in the region.

Perhaps the lady and I should talk

Al Clark
Reply to David Amos 
Are they planning to vote in the primaries? 
 
David Amos 
Reply to Al Clark 
The lady came from Alberta 
 
David Amos 
"I was like a snowball in hell. There was an incredible amount of negativity and cynicism and sarcasm about this project," Hunter said.

I know the feeling

Dennis Woodman 
Reply to David Amos
How so ? We’re you there ? 
 
David Amos 
Reply to Dennis Woodman 
Think about it  
 
Al Clark
Reply to Dennis Woodman 
He empathizes deeply. 
 
 
 
Dennis Woodman 
This is why China leads the world in renewables. They just build it, no debate, no environmental assessment, etc.
 
David Amos 
Reply to Dennis Woodman 
Thats why your hero admires them Correct? 
 
 
 
Carl Duivenvoorden  
Bravo to David Hunter for apparently being the only one brave or insightful enough to get to the crux of the issue: "The world is in a climate crisis... This project is the way forward to decarbonize our electrical grid." The climate crisis is a far, far bigger issue than any other voiced at the meeting. Please, let's stop using faux-environmental issues as barriers to prevent progress on the one really big issue that needs addressing. 
 
David Amos 
Reply to Carl Duivenvoorden 
JDI officials said only 447 hectares would need to be cleared to build bases for the turbines and new roads.

They say "only" so easily EH?

Bill Mavin 
Reply to David Amos 
Compared to working for future genenerations, it is only.
 
 
 
Al Clark
Hard to call it nimby when it's nowhere near anyone's BY 
 
Luc Newsome
Reply to Al Clark 
“ I'm not against windmills per se, I'm against where they're putting it on that mountain behind my house," she said, ”
 
Al Clark
Reply to Luc Newsome  
Ya, my neighbour has the misguided impression he has some right to control what he can see NOT on his property also.
 
David Amos 
Reply to Al Clark
What if he saw you breaking the law?  
 
Ralph Steinberg  
Reply to Luc Newsome 
And how far away is her house from the mountain? I could state the something, and be looking at the mountain miles away on the other side of Lake Okanagan.  
 
Ralph Steinberg  
Reply to David Amos  
What if bubble gum wasn't chewy?
 
David Amos 
Reply to Ralph Steinberg  
Is that your idea of witty? 
 
Al Clark  
Reply to David Amos  
What if he saw me building a rocket launch pad? 
 
David Amos 
Reply to Al Clark 
No doubt he would call Elon  
 
 
 
Shevek Anarres  
Irving finally does something good... 
 
Luc Newsome
Reply to Shevek Anarres  
And the attendees want it stopped 
 
Shevek Anarres 
Reply to Luc Newsome 
Due to rampant misinformation by the oil industry... 
 
Luc Newsome
Reply to Shevek Anarres  
I don’t think that’s the reason…

“ Several residents posted protest signs outside the community hall with messages like, "Stop the war on nature" and referred to the wind turbines as the "58 monsters."

Dennis Woodman
Reply to Shevek Anarres  
Nothing to do with the oil industry. Strike Two.  
 
Greg Timmins 
Reply to Shevek Anarres 
They do something good and get dragged down by both extremes over it. This is why we can have nice things or be anywhere close to a global leader in anything. T
 
Al Clark
Reply to Luc Newsome  
Some enjoy drama
 
David Amos 
Reply to Al Clark 
Some enjoy a circus 
 
Al Clark
Reply to Dennis Woodman
EVERYTHING to do with the oil industry; strike eight. 
 
 
 
Al Clark 
I'd pay admission to see the "only doing it to make money" crew debating the "won't work" crew. PPV maybe? 
 
David Amos 
Reply to Al Clark
Of that I have no doubt 
 
 
 
John Montgomery 
It doesn't seem right to destroy nature in the name of protecting it. 
 
David Amos 
Reply to John Montgomery 
Good point  
  
Dennis Woodman
Reply to John Montgomery 
So no oil, no wind. Where’s the power coming from ? 
 
David Amos 
Reply to Dennis Woodman 
Think about it  
 
Dennis Woodman  
Reply to David Amos 
So do without ?  
 
 
Benoit Boudreau  
I don't understand why NB Power is not investing in this type of project, instead having Irving use our resources and charge us for it, AGAIN! This is infuriating.
 
Ralph Skavinsky 
Reply to Benoit Boudreau  
Maybe because NB power simply doesn't have the cash. Sometimes it's better to buy product from a manufacturer who has said cash and knows how to deliver.  
 
Dan Lee 
Reply to Ralph Skavinsky  
you mean.......milk the cow a little more 
 
David Amos 
Reply to Benoit Boudreau  
Amen 
 
David Amos 
Reply to Dan Lee  
Or continue to flog a dead horse  
 
 
 
Al Clark
Apparently Irv didn't know about the passage in the good book condemning windmills ;-)

David Amos 
Reply to Al Clark 
Everybody knows why I tilt them every chance I get Correct? 
 
Al Clark
Reply to David Amos  
Actually, for people that read, the phrase is "tilt AT" ;-)
 
David Amos 
Reply to Al Clark
The Man of La Mancha no doubt knew how to read yet he didn't care what snobby people thought of his deeds or his choice of words 
 
Al Clark
Reply to David Amos
So was that you that tilted the one at Kent Hills? I rode the same bike up there that I rode to the Loudon Classic btw. NOT trailered. Try that with Briggs and Stratton technology.
 
David Amos 

Reply to Al Clark
You know who I am Hence you know why I am not impressed by your bragging
 
 
 
Bob Smith  
Yep, NIMBY commune folks who supposedly don't use NB power want to block wind turbines. Bit surprised they didn't try and bring up "turbine shadows" as a negative...
 
David Amos 
Reply to Bob Smith 
IMHO Off-grid commune folks are some of the nicest and brightest people on the planet 
 
Bob Smith
Reply to David Amos 
IMO, the arguments that were brought forth by these commune folks suggest a polar opposite look. 
 
David Amos 
Reply to Bob Smith 
At least you don't claim to be humble 
 
 
 
 

J.D. Irving wind farm worries some, company promises more consultation

Woodstock First Nation chief says he's concerned about impact on migratory birds, wildlife

As plans for a J.D. Irving wind farm loom in western New Brunswick, some residents and a nearby First Nation are speaking out against the project.

The Brighton Mountain Wind Farm, with 58 turbines, will break ground in 2025 near the small community of Juniper and within the boundaries of Hartland and Carleton North municipalities.

J.D. Irving spokesperson Anne McInerney said in an email statement that the company is planning a public meeting for area residents in August, something local mayors support.

"I want people to have answers, I want their questions to be answered and I think information is important," said Hartland Mayor Tracey DeMerchant.

She said J.D. Irving held a meeting recently for the Western Valley Regional Service Commission so local government officials and mayors could inform their residents.

When asked if she supports the project, DeMerchant said, "Like everyone else, I want to make sure that it's done properly, no one wants to see things disturbed in a way that's not healthy."

Carleton North Mayor Andrew Harvey said he's also been hearing concerns from residents.

Andrew Harvey Carleton North Mayor Andrew Harvey said he supports the project as long as consultation takes place and environmental requirements are met. (Mike Heenan/CBC)

"We suggested they needed to talk directly to the proponent to get those questions answered. We don't have any of the information about any of that," Harvey said.

"We do agree that there needs to be public engagement on this, and the proponent has agreed to have these meetings, and we've conveyed that to that group."

Harvey said he personally supports the project, noting the company's history as an employer in the area.

"But everybody needs to be held accountable in terms of protecting the environment, so that's what that process will do, and then the [environmental impact assessment] will have a good, robust discussion about all these issues that may come up," Harvey said. 

Clarissa Andersen, a spokesperson for the provincial Department of Environment and Local Government, said in an email that public engagement is required as part of the project's ongoing environmental impact assessment (EIA).

"Public engagement is still underway for this project and the proponent has not yet submitted their summary report," Andersen said.

"No decision will be made regarding the EIA until all relevant issues identified by the TRC, First Nations and the public during the determination review have been addressed."

First Nation against project

Woodstock First Nation Chief Tim Paul said J.D. Irving has not done proper consultation in his view, and he wishes that his community and the Wolastoqey Nation had been involved in the ongoing environmental impact assessment.

"At this stage of the game, I can tell you that Woodstock would be opposed to it, opposed to the project," Paul said.

He said he has concerns about migratory birds and wildlife on the project site, along with the possibility of Indigenous archeological sites or traditional medicine on the property.

A map of New Brunswick     A map showing the location of Brighton Mountain in western New Brunswick. (Submitted by J.D. Irving)

"There's all kinds of impacts that have to be looked at through the full process, and we have to be part of that process. When you're left out of that process, how do you meaningfully consult when you're not even involved?" Paul asked.

McInerney said First Nations were notified of the project in August 2023, and directed questions about Indigenous consultation to the province. 

David Kelly, the provincial spokesperson for Indigenous Affairs, added that the environmental impact assessment, "provides all First Nations with the opportunity to make submissions on the potential impact to their rights.

"The province did notify all First Nations directly about the project and provided them with information," Kelly said.

McInerney said J. D. Irving has visited 250 residences in the area to discuss the project and share pamphlets, and has set up a website outlining the project. There's also an email people can use to submit questions.

Nearby resident concerned about project

Juniper resident Stephanie Thornton sent an email to provincial and municipal government officials urging them to stop the project.

Thornton said she's an animal-rights activist who is concerned about deforestation and wildlife losing their home.

JD Irving map     A map showing where each of the 58 turbines will be spaced out on the project site, marked by numbers. A resident in the area says she's concerned about land being cleared for the turbines to be built. (Submitted by J.D. Irving)

The website J.D. Irving set up for the project estimates that just 0.3 per cent of the property will have to be cleared for the project, or about 227 hectares. The company also said existing forest roads will be used as much as possible for construction.

"Why choose a site that's heavily forested when you could use something that maybe doesn't have so much impact on animals and the woods?" Thornton asked.

A Facebook group for residents to discuss the project and share concerns has attracted just under 500 members.

ABOUT THE AUTHOR


Sam Farley

Journalist

Sam Farley is a Fredericton-based reporter at CBC New Brunswick. Originally from Boston, he is a journalism graduate of the University of King's College in Halifax. He can be reached at sam.farley@cbc.ca

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Friday 3 May 2024

J.D. Irving gets into wind farm business with $550M project in western N.B.

 

J.D. Irving gets into wind farm business with $550M project in western N.B.

Project aims to sell energy to N.B. Power, but no agreement yet

J.D. Irving Ltd. is taking a leap into the green energy business with plans for a 58-turbine wind farm.

The Brighton Mountain wind farm, near the hamlet of Juniper in Carleton County, will break ground in 2025, pending regulatory approval, the company has announced.

"The power will be sold to N.B. Power which will contribute to decarbonizing the province," says a website created to promote the project.

But there are still some loose ends, as the project needs regulatory approvals and an agreement with N.B. Power to purchase power.

N.B. Power spokesperson D'Arcy Walsh said in an email that N.B. Power does not currently have any power-purchasing agreements with J.D. Irving for the project, "and therefore it would be too early to comment on any aspects of the project at this time."

Two pie charts J.D. Irving estimates the wind farm will reduce New Brunswick's reliance on fossil fuels by about nine per cent. (Submitted by J.D. Irving)

In 2023, the utility invited proposals for green energy projects in the province with an expectation to be live by 2027, the same timeline Brighton Mountain now gives.

With 58 turbines and a capacity for 350 megawatts, it would decrease the New Brunswick energy grid's reliance on fossil fuels by roughly nine per cent, according to the project website.

But the launch has also been somewhat lowkey. There has been no news release from the province, which normally highlights major business investments and projects of all kinds.

Information session planned

The area for the turbines falls into the municipalities of both Hartland and Carleton North, but neither mayor knew enough about the project to grant an interview.  

When reached by phone, Hartland Mayor Tracey DeMerchant said this was the first she was hearing of the project. Carleton North Mayor Andrew Harvey said he's waiting for an information session later this month where he expects to learn more.

Government spokesperson Nick Brown said Natural Resources and Energy Development Minister Mike Holland was unavailable for an interview Thursday but provided an email statement from him.

"As outlined in our Clean Energy Strategy, we intend to significantly grow our wind power generation over the next 12 years," Holland said in the statement, adding the province established goals for N.B. Power to acquire new cost-effective wind power deals.

Holland went on to say "there is a process in place for developing wind farms," and Brighton Mountain still needs to complete a environmental impact assessment and reach a power-purchasing agreement with N.B. Power.

JD Irving map     A map showing where each of the 58 turbines will be spaced out on the project site, marked by numbers. (Submitted by J.D. Irving)

The Brighton Mountain website touts the project as helping reach an agreement between the federal government, New Brunswick and Nova Scotia in October 2023 to phase out coal-fired generation in the electricity sector by 2030, net-zero electricity, or no greenhouse gas emissions, by 2035 and a net-zero economy by 2050.

"Securing clean energy sources to support traditional industries within N.B., such as pulp and paper, will help to maintain the longevity and viability of current JDI operations throughout the province," the environmental impact assessment says.

The project is described as the company's "first wind development project as a proponent," but the assessment says J.D. Irving affiliate companies have experience building and maintaining turbines.

Green leader supports project

Green Party Leader David Coon said the JDI project would be a "big deal" for the province, given wind farm's large size and the fact it's owned by a New Brunswick-based company.

The province only has one wind farm of similar size, the Kent Hills operation near Moncton.

"N.B. Power needs to have a considerable amount of renewable energy come onto the grid this decade in order to meet their requirements with the phase-out of the coal plant in Belledune," Coon said.

David Coon Green Leader David Coon calls the project a big deal for New Brunswick but says an agreement with N.B. Power is crucial. (Sam Farley/CBC)

"So this fits right into their plan."

Coon said he is worried there is no agreement with N.B. Power yet.

"My only concern is that we hear from N.B. Power that there is a power-purchase agreement, they've agreed on a price, so that this will go forward without a hitch."

Project not intended for federal carbon credit

JDI spokesperson Anne McInerney said no one was available for an interview because the project is in the early application phase, but she offered to answer questions over email.

Asked if JDI would use the project to apply for the federal greenhouse gas offset credit system, designed to motivate corporations to invest in green energy, McInerney said in an email "that's not the intention."

She said the company's "focus is on our application and approval process," when asked if the project represented a new direction for J.D. Irving.

200 jobs, only 20 permanent 

The website says more than 200 jobs will be created during construction, but the 475-page assessment reveals the number of full-time jobs, once the project is operating, will be 20.

The first phase of construction will be complete by 2027, at a cost of about $550 million, the website says. A frequently asked questions section addresses concerns residents may raise, saying that the project will not decrease property values, be loud when operating, or disrupt wildlife.

The turbines are just over 200 metres tall and have an estimated service life of 25 years. After that timeline is reached, the assessment says, the structures could either be taken down or J.D. Irving can consult with government to "extend the life of the project."

A map of New Brunswick     A map showing the location of Brighton Mountain in western New Brunswick. (Submitted by J.D. Irving)

The project will also see construction of two substations and a terminal station to tie into the existing energy grid, but an existing network of company logging roads in the area already provides access, the website says.

Nineteen environmental studies were done for the project in 2023 and another 16 are planned this year. These studies look at species in the area, wetlands and vegetation.

The location is very rural, and there is only one full-time residence, just under a kilometre from a planned turbine. Some remote cabins and shacks are also nearby, the report says.

ABOUT THE AUTHOR


Sam Farley

Journalist

Sam Farley is a Fredericton-based reporter at CBC New Brunswick. Originally from Boston, he is a journalism graduate of the University of King's College in Halifax. He can be reached at sam.farley@cbc.ca

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Round One

 
21 Comments 
 
 
 
David Amos  
IMHO Our biggest concern should be that fact that NB Power is not audited 
  
 
David Amos
Need I remind folks who is now the Chair of the EUB? 


David Amos 
"J.D. Irving still needs regulatory approval of its planned wind farm and an agreement to sell the power to N.B. Power."

I trust that all the lawyers who intervene in the EUB hearings know why I shook my head as I read that

 
David Amos  
Reply to David Amos
"Government spokesperson Nick Brown said Natural Resources and Energy Development Minister Mike Holland was unavailable for an interview Thursday but provided an email statement from him.

"As outlined in our Clean Energy Strategy, we intend to significantly grow our wind power generation over the next 12 years," Holland said in the statement, adding the province established goals for N.B. Power to acquire new cost-effective wind power deals.

Holland went on to say "there is a process in place for developing wind farms," and Brighton Mountain still needs to complete a environmental impact assessment and reach a power-purchasing agreement with N.B. Power."

Yea Right

 
 
 
Don Corey
Yet another same story, second round. Anyone wonder why round 1 was shut down?  
 
 
David Amos  
Reply to Don Corey  
Its not
 
 
David Amos  
Reply to Don Corey  
I see "Awaiting review" a lot How about you?
 
 
David Amos  
Reply to Don Corey
Here is what I was talking about

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/massive-wind-farm-pitched-for-labrador-1.620146

Now fast forward to today

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/world-energy-gh2-wind-farm-environmental-impact-1.6944733  
 
 
David Amos  
Reply to Don Corey   
Canucks take it in six!




 
David Amos
Welcome back to the circus  
 
 
 
Rich Hatfield
the structures could either be taken down or J.D. Irving can consult with government to "extend the life of the project."

"extend the life of the project." = Rust In Place

 
David Amos
Reply to Rich Hatfield
Notice where it is located???
 
 
 
 
Winston Gray.
This is great news for the province! Reducing our need for fossil fuels for energy by 9%! 
 
 
Jimmy Cochrane
Reply to Winston Gray.
Think of the dreaded fossil fuel required to build, ship and erect these. It chews up a big portion of the 9%. 
 
 
Bob Smith
Reply to Jimmy Cochrane
Uh huh. A one time construction cost by a company is not a large part of an annual power usage by NB. Try again. 
 
 
Winston Gray
Reply to Jimmy Cochrane
Maybe for the first year, just so you know these turbines last a lot longer than 1 year. 
 
 
David Amos
Reply to Jimmy Cochrane
Yup


Jimmy Cochrane  
Hopefully they'll choose a better contractor to build the foundations than the Kent Hills project.
 
 
Allan Marven
Reply to Jimmy Cochrane
Greenfied-Atcon.
 
 
David Amos
Reply to Jimmy Cochrane
Dream on
 
 
David Amos
Reply to Allan Marven
Hmmm
 
 

Round Two

 
1099 Comments
 
 
David Amos
Round Two???  
 
 
 
If they vote for separation again hopefully they ask for all of eastern "canada" to go with them. My vote would be yes.  
 
 
 
David Amos
Need I remind folks who is now the Chair of the EUB?  
 
 
B Johnny Kalibanos  
Reply to David Amos
Who?
 
 
ken selluk 
Reply to David Amos
Hogan?
 
 
David Amos  
Reply to B Johnny Kalibanos  
JDI's former lawyer whom I encountered many times at the EUB hearings and private meeting over the years. Need I say our last Pulbic encounter did not go well? 
 
 
Walter Vrbetic
Reply to David Amos 
I had an hour long sit down with Jim Flaherty while he was finance minister... a few stories there. 
 
 
 
David Amos  

I see "Awaiting review" a lot How about you? 
 
 
ken selluk   

Reply to David Amos 
Only a select few



David Amos
Deja Vu anyone?
 
 
 
David Amos
Reply to David Amos 
Fast forward today
 
 
 
Bill Gardiner
Reply to David Amos
Nice way to communicate it. It's been a great success and it's going to grow. NFLD will be an energy powerhouse long after we've transitioned away from fossil fuels. That whole thing started when Germany visited and people were saying we should be selling them gas. This what they wanted.
 
 
Walter Vrbetic
Reply to David Amos 
Two more hydrogen plants proposed for NS and one for NB... all using green generated wind power.
 
 
David Amos 
"J.D. Irving still needs regulatory approval of its planned wind farm and an agreement to sell the power to N.B. Power."

I trust that all the lawyers who intervene in the EUB hearings know why I shook my head as I read that

 
David Amos  
Reply to David Amos
"Government spokesperson Nick Brown said Natural Resources and Energy Development Minister Mike Holland was unavailable for an interview Thursday but provided an email statement from him.

"As outlined in our Clean Energy Strategy, we intend to significantly grow our wind power generation over the next 12 years," Holland said in the statement, adding the province established goals for N.B. Power to acquire new cost-effective wind power deals.

Holland went on to say "there is a process in place for developing wind farms," and Brighton Mountain still needs to complete a environmental impact assessment and reach a power-purchasing agreement with N.B. Power."

Yea Right

 
Walter Vrbetic
Reply to David Amos 
Profits to the private sector...

Costs to the public...

Works for one group!

 
David Amos
Reply to Walter Vrbetic   
Oh So True 
 
 
William Peters
Reply to David Amos 
Pay someone to look after your token commitments is what it boils to. It's like paying Coca Cola to please make profit at recycling what you are churning out by every increasing numbers. 
 
 

David Amos
IMHO Our biggest concern should be that fact that NB Power is not audited
 
 
 
Gary Haggquist
On March 13, the cost of wind power generation in Ontario was approximately $135 per megawatt hour (MWh). This figure considers various factors like the Hourly Ontario Energy Price (HOEP) and the Global Adjustment (GA) rate which was about $83.66/MWh for that month. This cost is relatively high compared to other forms of energy generation and results in higher electricity prices when the supply from wind is 
high but the demand is low​.
 
 
David Amos
Reply to Gary Haggquist 
Now thats interesting 
 
 
Anne Wallenberg
Reply to Gary Haggquist 
methinks you need a Faraday cage   
 
 
Gary Haggquist
Reply to Anne Wallenberg  
Big Faraday cage for the wind farm mentioned in this article, you mean.
 
 
David Amos

Reply to Gary Haggquist 
Methinks she was teasing me N'esy Pas?



Bill Gardiner
While this single renewable project can reduce New Brunswick’s dependence on fossil fuels by 10%, China’s $500 billion investment in renewables is paying off too. According to reporting by Reuters, China Petrochemical Corp forecasts that China's coal consumption will peak around 2025 and that non-fossil energy supply, led by solar and wind, will likely exceed the equivalence of 3 billion metric tons of standard coal by 2025 to become the dominant energy source for more than half of primary energy consumption.

Search “Sinopec forecasts China's coal consumption to peak around 2025”

 
ken selluk
Reply to Bill Gardiner 
The Port of Vancouver and Price Rupert shipped 19.5 million tonnes of thermal coal from their terminals in 2023..with the majority of that coal going to China.   
 
 
John Hoagie
Reply to Bill Gardiner  
They expect a equavilence of 3B tonnes of coal by 2045 not 2025.
 
 
Bill Gardiner
Reply to John Hoagie 
Nice catch. :)   
 
 
B Johnny Kalibanos
Reply to Bill Gardiner
That changes things   
 
 
Lynette Browne
Reply to ken selluk   
Yes, and?
 
 
David Amos
Reply to ken selluk  
That was fast eh? 
 
 
 
 
Walter Vrbetic
Interesting....

Wind is the second least expensive way to generate electricity next to solar...

NB Power has been banned from owning such facilities and is only allowed to purchase such generation from private companies...

Weird...

 
David Amos 
Reply to Walter Vrbetic
Weird...

Not really Ask yourself a simple question

Cui Bono?


 
Bill Gardiner
Reply to Walter Vrbetic
Yes, Tesla is doing a lot of work in Australia with batteries. They have a lot of renewable resources. 
 
 
David Amos
Reply to Bill Gardiner
My son owns 3 Teslas and one electric Harley but he enjoys his gas burning Harley alot because it can go places his other toys cannot  
 
 
Bill Gardiner 
Reply to David Amos  
And it has the...sound. :)
 
 
David Amos
Reply to Bill Gardiner 
No it doesn't Its one of those fancy new Harleys It a big liquid cooled dirt bike  
 
 
David Amos
Reply to David Amos  
Its also a quiet as a mouse He called me as he was riding it in the mountains north of Mexico and I could not even hear the thing

 
Gary Haggquist  
Reply to Walter Vrbetic
The Department of Homeland Security (DHS) is engaged in developing tools and models that predict the localized effects of geomagnetically induced currents (GICs) on the electrical grid. This effort, undertaken in partnership with NASA's Goddard Space Flight Center, is designed to equip utility operators with essential information to safeguard the grid against solar disturbances. 
 
 
David Amos
Reply to Gary Haggquist
Check out the US Senate Banking Committee Hearing on November 18th and 20th 2003 Held about 6 months after I dealt with the Department of Homeland Security
 
 
 
 
james bolt 
remote NB is pretty remote
 
 
Joe Zilch 
Reply to james bolt 
On one resident!
 
 
David Amos
Reply to james bolt 
Ain't it wonderful?
 
 
 
Ann McAllister 
I would prefer the Brighton Mountain project to be a publicly owned rather than a private. It would be fairer for New Brunswickers to own and benefit from their wind resources rather than a private company. But that isn't the reality, so I hope this project will go ahead and that a fair, affordable power purchase agreement will be struck - one that doesn't increase energy poverty for low- to mid-income households. 
 
 
Walter Vrbetic
Reply to Ann McAllister
Interesting thoughts from an Apr 6/24 story..

"According to the NB Power 2023 Integrated Resource Plan, all current and future wind farms will be owned by private companies. That means the benefits from generating cheap wind power will accrue to private shareholders rather than the public. NB Power should own the wind turbines so the savings can be used to reduce the cost of our electricity."

 
David Amos
Reply to Ann McAllister  
I remember you
 
 
 
Danny Sterns
Is this story not good news?
 
 
Bill Gardiner
Reply to Danny Sterns
It is, except for those who would rather not transition.
 
 
Gerry Roberts
Reply to Bill Gardiner
Doesn't matter whether want it or not. "the world is already transitioning " lol
 
 
Bill Gardiner
Reply to Gerry Roberts
It doesn't matter, but the point is that some people still don't like it.
 
 
Gerry Roberts
Reply to Bill Gardiner
and that is an issue because .............?
 
 
Bill Gardiner
Reply to Gerry Roberts
Ask the OP, he brought it up.
 
 
Gerry Roberts
Reply to Bill Gardiner
No you brought it up.........."except for those who would rather not transition."
 
 
Bill Gardiner
Reply to Gerry Roberts
In response to the OP.
 
 
Dennis Woodman
Reply to Danny Sterns
Depends on how much taxpayers will be on the hook for
 
 
Gerry Roberts
Reply to Bill Gardiner
you choose to respond thus bringing up people who would rather not transition
 
 
Bill Gardiner
Reply to Dennis Woodman
There's no government money even being considered.
 
 
Bill Gardiner
Reply to Gerry Roberts
Yes, I did. :)
 
 
Gerry Roberts
Reply to Bill Gardiner
then You, raised the issue regarding people who allegedly don;t want to transition knowing full well it's not an issue
 
 
Bill Gardiner
Reply to Gerry Roberts
"Knowing full well"? How do you know I know what you think I know.
 
 
Bill Gardiner
Reply to Gerry Roberts
You don't know that. Why are you making things up?
 
 
Gerry Roberts
Reply to Bill Gardiner
I've been studying your skill at knowing what you think other posters and politicians know. It took me a while but I've mastered it, just like you
 
 
Gerry Roberts
Reply to Bill Gardiner
"we" all know that bill. No one is making things up!
 
 
Danny Sterns
Reply to Dennis Woodman
If indeed tax payer money is involved, rather this than $1 billion for soccer games.
 
 
Dennis Woodman
Reply to Bill Gardiner
That you know of. I believe there has at least been some discussion. Time will tell
 
 
Bill Gardiner
Reply to Dennis Woodman
You have absolutely zero evidence of that, so why even mention it? That's how damaging rumors start.
 
 
David Amos
Reply to Danny Sterns
Hard telling not knowing for sure
 
 
David Amos
Reply to Dennis Woodman
Why be happy to be on the hook at all?
 
 
David Amos
Reply to Bill Gardiner
"How do you know I know what you think I know. "

Methinks the EUB knows I know a lot you don't know N'esy Pas?  
 
 
David Amos 

Reply to  Gerry Roberts
"I've mastered it, just like you"

I doubt it

 
 
Dave Kliveland  
Since the logging industry has stripped the entire upper nashwaak area and ruined the eco system they should use that entire area for a wind farm, narrows mountain would be a good location.
 
 
Walter Vrbetic
Reply to Dave Kliveland  
They, per the story, plan to use their existing logging roads for access.
 
 
David Amos
Reply to Walter Vrbetic  
Ain't that special?
 
 
Walter Vrbetic
Reply to David Amos 
Beats having to cut access roads I'd guess.
 
 
David Amos
Reply to Walter Vrbetic  
Who financed those roads?
 
 
William Peters  
Reply to Dave Kliveland 
It would give them more incentive to spray glyphosate everywhere.
 
 
Walter Vrbetic
Reply to David Amos 
Good question... since they're to Irving forestry lands... take a guess.
 
 
Lynette Browne
Reply to William Peters  
Hopefully not.




Wilbur Ross  
NB Power is one giant subsidy for the Irvings. They are just rubbing their grubby little hands together, waiting for Higgs to announce another sweet heart deal. Guaranteed this will get corrupt real fast. 
 
 
David Amos
Reply to Wilbur Ross 
Oh So True  




Dennis Woodman
This is a great example of why there’s too much red tape involved… Nineteen environmental studies were done for the project in 2023 and another 16 are planned this year. These studies look at species in the area, wetlands and vegetation.
 
 
Steph Roche
Reply to Dennis Woodman
good point

all major projects do require environmental analysis.

Irving knows best the places where the natural environment has already been destroyed; they destroyed it.

 
Walter Vrbetic
Reply to Steph Roche  
"...an existing network of company logging roads in the area already provides access, the website says."
 
 
David Amos
Reply to Steph Roche
Amen

 
 
 
Walter Vrbetic
Guess Irving sees which way the wind is blowing... 
 
 
Andrew Martin
Reply to Walter Vrbetic
They're seeing how much money in subsidies are being blown into others pockets from taxpayers, and they want their cut. 
 
 
Walter Vrbetic
Reply to Andrew Martin
Story mentions subsidies? I must have missed that.

Would those subsidies exceed those given to the O&G industries?

 
Don Corey
Reply to Andrew Martin 
Who could blame them? Federal tax subsidies to foreign-owned plants (producing batteries) locating in Quebec and Ontario amount to $5 Million for every fulltime job created. 
 
 
Bob Leeson
Reply to Don Corey  
The federal government will not be paying for Irving's wind farm. 
 
 
Walter Vrbetic
Reply to Don Corey
Primarily earned as tax credits based on plant output over numerous years...

Oh, and Doug Ford estimates that with primary and secondary jobs, there'll be about 30,000 total jobs created.

 
Ed Franks
Reply to Bob Leeson
I’m sure that there are subsidies they can apply for. Its the green wave. Why would they build otherwise.
 
 
Dennis Woodman
Reply to Bob Leeson 
I got a hundred bucks that says there WILL be government subsidies, or will pay a premium for the power.  Dennis Woodman
 
 
Dennis Woodman
Reply to Walter Vrbetic  
Estimates are always exaggerated
 
 
Bob Leeson
Reply to Ed Franks 
Well... Irving wont be paying a carbon tax for the electricity produced by wind power. So I guess there's that ;) 
 
 
Walter Vrbetic
Reply to Dennis Woodman  
Should let him know, I'm sure he'd appreciate it.
 
 
Dennis Woodman  
Reply to Walter Vrbetic
Now if we could only turn the windmills, so we can blow all Chinas emissions back to them. 
 
 
Walter Vrbetic 
Reply to Dennis Woodman
Saddly China installed more renewables last year than the rest of the world combined. 
 
 
Don Corey
Reply to Walter Vrbetic
Trying to defend it huh? Political estimates are never right, especially when it comes to jobs created with taxpayer money. Regardless, the 30,000 number still comes out to $500,000 per job.....totally insane; to produce batteries. 
 
 
Don Corey
Reply to Bob Leeson
How do you know? 
 
 
Don Corey
Reply to Walter Vrbetic
 
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