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Opposition bill would do away with industrial property-tax exemptions

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David R. Amos

Methinks my Father is grinning in his grave right now and I would lay odds that Blaine Higgs and Gerry Lowe do not have the first clue as to why but many lawyers certainly do N'esy Pas?

 
Wally Manza

I doubt very much Irving can or will just move the largest Refinery in Canada out of New Brunswick. For one, where would he move it too and at what cost to him? The smart move would be to pay up and that is what he would do...the smart move.

David R. Amos

@Wally Manza "I doubt very much Irving can or will just move the largest Refinery in Canada out of New Brunswick"

Me Too

Bo Wilson

Finally a politician with the intestinal fortitude to take on the elephant in the room. The Empire has used every citizen in this province, particularly Saint John, with their callous attitude by thinking they are above paying their fair share of taxes. Leadership requires tough decisions to be made.

Rosco holt

@Bo Wilson
We'll see which way Higgs goes.

David R. Amos

@Rosco holt Methinks we already know N'esy Pas?

 
David R. Amos

WOW I am Blocked for posting the Green Party Leader's name???

Marc Martin

@David R. Amos

Cry me a river..

Mike Morton

@David R. Amos

Of course the Green Party leader feels the need to strike up a commission (a royal commission no less) to address the tax system. Career politician! Just put the bill forward, debate it, amend it, and pass it. No need to bump your salary to make this happen. Does a "royal commission" command more of a stipend?

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David R. Amos

Methinks my Father is grinning in his grave right now and I would lay odds that Blaine Higgs,, Brian Gallant, David ****, Kris Austin, Don Darling and Gerry Lowe would not have the first clue as to why but the Conservative lawyer Brian Mosher in Saint John certainly does N'esyy Pas?

David R. Amos

@David R. Amos OK Enough with the stars like I posted a curse word or whatever How the Green Party Leader?

Bobby Burke

In my opinion, the Empire has done us more harm than all of the foreign enemies, imagined or real. There is no better analogy to cancer anywhere, than the province of NB & the Empire.

Bob Smith

@Bobby Burke If only they would employ people with jobs that paid more than ei and welfare, right? The province without them would be so much better, right? Might be cold..dark...and a lot less people but hey, they'd be gone and that thought pays the bills, right?

Rosco holt

@Bob Smith
The province is basically paying the Empire to employ people with all the subs, handouts, sweet deals on taxes, natural resources and utilities.

David R. Amos

@Bobby Burke Oh So True

Michael Hunt

These losers lost the election and when they were in power they did not try this so why now ... because this is a joke.Why make news of this political game. No it will not pass so why waste everyone's time?

Bo Wilson

@Michael Hunt This issue of the Empire paying their fair share of property taxes is not about what political party you support, but fair taxation. The province is broke! You are aware that if you improve your property, the assessed value increases and therefore you pay more property taxes. Irving should not be exempt of doing the same. Why is the property tax double on investment property that is not owner occupied? I would suggest it is to make up for the special deals provided to the Empire. Also, Gerry Lowe was not part of lying Brian Gallant's government.

David R. Amos

@Michael Hunt "so why now ... because this is a joke"

Welcome to the Circus

 
Paul Bourgoin

The province should also look at the taxes on the value of freehold forest lands, make the taxes rates public with no Political sweetheart deals.

David R. Amos

@Paul Bourgoin YUP

Richard Riel

Irving should grow cannabis alongside their borrowed land from the crown, to create startups.
With their chemist or hire chemist,for setups, produce, and compete for market with the help of Mccain marketing department know how. It could be another Home grown industries like Irving and Mccain.

Richard Riel

@Richard Riel They are doing it in every other provinces.One way or the other. And you can a supplier to your own NB store outlets.

David R. Amos

@Richard Riel Trust that there are a lot of folks throughout Canada who don't give two hoots about Trudeau The Younger's concerns about cannabis

 
Harold Benson

We might have our own Kashoggi right here in NB.

David R. Amos

@Harold Benson Back away from the pipe

Bobby Burke

@Harold Benson - There would be no place for for any ‘Kashoggi’ here in NB. Probably the only prov. without a talk show in Canada. News media owned & or controlled completely by the “Empire”!

David R. Amos

@Bobby Burke You enjoy Googling the following

David Amos Federal Court

Marc Martin

@David R. Amos

*David Amos Federal Court*

No one wants to waste time with this...

 
Paul Bourgoin

It is about time honestly, but I doubt that our elected Politicians will have the backbone to stand up and collect what the actual taxes are due to the province and not those secret sweetheart secret Deals.

David R. Amos

@Paul Bourgoin I agree

 
Bob Smith

Here comes Gerry Lowe with the single issue he cares about: slaying the Irving dragon. Trouble with this idea is it assumes the St. John city council will act in a competent manner with more money. Nothing in the past, when times were better, indicates it will do so...

Bobby Burke

@Bob Smith - What’s this about the past being good, I’ve lived here all my 77 years, & it gets worse every year. The LNG Deal should have unmasked these professional ‘Tax Dodgers’, but the indoctrination that’s been going on for decades has disabled the average persons ability of critical thought.

David R. Amos

@Bobby Burke I Wholeheartedly Agree Sir

David R. Amos

@Bob Smith "Nothing in the past, when times were better, indicates it will do so.."

True

 
Harold Benson

I would say that if they follow through on that, NB would be officially out of debt. Problem solved if the guts are there.

Bobby Burke

@Harold Benson I believe it would have to be retroactive, like about 50 years, & they would probably owe us somewhere in the Billions!

David R. Amos

@Harold Benson Dream on

 
John Pokiok

All parties should vote in favor of this and PANB you by all mean should do, are you for the people or not. Also here is the test for HIggs as well are you Irving boy or you are there for the people.

David R. Amos

@John Pokiok Methinks the PANB became players in the wicked games being played against our interesst the instant they swore the secretive oath to the British Queen N'esy Pas?

 
Bernard McIntyre

Very good for this MLA doing this. The Irving's have been getting away with not paying their fair taxes since they started their business in Saint John. When the refinery is only has a property tax assessed at 98 million$ a year and the hospital is assessed at 248 million a year then there is something differently wrong. It's about time an MLA has the guts to do this. I applaud you.

Bernard McIntyre

@Bernard McIntyre. I just hope the other 2 party's don't renege on what the have said in this article.

Bobby Burke

@Bernard McIntyre The Empire has absolutely no shame, they prove it almost on a daily basis.

Eric Katruk

@Bernard McIntyre That was the LNG Terminal that miraculously went 248 million to 98 million in the course of a year. I hope that the bill has a ban on corporations conducting their own assessment as well.

Bernard McIntyre

@Eric Katruk no these are the tax assessments for the refinery 98 Million and the SJ regional hospital 248 million for the year2017. I never mention the LNG plant. The West side pulp mill was assessed at 34 million.

Rosco holt

@Eric Katruk
It's the province who hired a de-evaluation specialist.

Rosco holt

@David R. Amos
It doesn't matter which party hired the Yankee. The taxpayer lost taxes in the de-evaluation on top of paying for the specialist, this under the order of the Empire.

David R. Amos

@Rosco holt It matters very much to me I ran against all of them 6 times thus remember?

David R. Amos

@Rosco holt Do you recall why I ran in Saint John Harbour in 2006? Trust that Gerry Lowe does.

Marc Martin

@David R. Amos

That's sad, in 24 years you never got elected, someone would think you'd get the hint by now no ?

 
Dan Lee

if i read correctly......this refinery does not pay 1 black cent taxes ......no wonder we are going broke........

David R. Amos

@Dan Lee Methinks some folks may remember when my Father Max Amos when he was Tax Supervisor of this province. At least I remember him sending the Sheriff down to Saint John to put a chain on the refinery gates in order to make the Irving Clan pay their property taxes

Fred Brewer

I think this is a great idea. Anything that slows down the endless stream of money flowing to Bermuda is a step in the right direction.

David R. Amos

@Fred Brewer YUP

 
Tim Trites

what's really gross about this and those other weird promises the Liberals made during the election... they had at least four years and a clear majority to do these things and chose not to

Cory Kamermans

@Tim Trites Exactly.

Bernard McIntyre

@Cory Kamermans Gerry Lowe wasn't an MLA in those 4 years.

Colin Seeley

@Bernard McIntyre

I believe it was a guy named Brian Gallant who appointed himself Regional Minister for Saint John and Southwest NB .

He knew Gerry Lowe.

He knew all about his idea.

Gallant did nothing .

David R. Amos

@Bernard McIntyre Trust that I talked to Gerry Lowe several times over the past four years before he barely got elected as a MLA and I trust him about as far as I can throw his buddy Frank McKenna

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/saint-john-harbour-nb-election-2018-1.4808144

Douglas James

Now if only Mayor Don Darling would do something on his own instead of relying solely on others to help the city out of its financial 'crisis'...said with tongue in cheek given the raises council gave itself. He can start by charging the pulp mill and refinery far, far more for water and lower extortionist water rates for homeowners. He doesn't need the province's approval, just a tiny bit of courage.

Bo Wilson

@Douglas James Your comments are very true. Mayor Darling was elected to lead not to follow. He has to be aware of this "corporate welfare" given to the Empire.

Rosco holt

@David R. Amos
Why not has Higgs, it was under Alward that the Conservatives gave the Empire a sweet deal on electricity.

Marc Martin

@David R. Amos

No one cares...

Rosco holt

@David R. Amos
Jurisdictions that already have smart meters are looking to get rid of it, while here in NB the are looking to implement them?

The question is why?

Rosco holt

@Marc Martin
Those who heat with electricity do.

David R. Amos

@Rosco holt Come to the hearings and listen to my arguments.

FYI my friend Roger Richard is concerned about Smart Meters and speaks for small businesses. I speak for ordinary folks and I am concerned about the KPMG auditors and the actions of all the lawyers some are the same dudes the Irving Clan employs

Marc Martin

@Rosco holt

Maybe you should have cared more when we had a chance to sell it to Quebec.

Rosco holt

@Marc Martin
Quebec only cared about blocking NFLD and Graham was only interested in pleasing the Empire.

The rest of the citizens would have paid trough the nose with nothing to show for it.

It always looks bad when government hides the details of contract/ agreements. Using phrases like "you'll learn the details of the deal after it's signed".

IF the deal was great for everyone they would brag about it.

Marc Martin
 @Rosco holt

*Quebec only cared about blocking NFLD *

They wanted the southern business opportunity, why else would they want to buy it ? If they would have bought it we are talking about at least 5 billion $ less on our dept and I am not even counting the salaries we would have saved, maintenance and the famous dam that will cost us another 4.5 billion....But the thing is because it was Quebec who wanted to buy it the Bigotry of this province towards the French costs us billions.

*The rest of the citizens would have paid trough the nose with nothing to show for it.*

And what is happening now ?

*IF the deal was great for everyone they would brag about it.*

The deal was dead without even be able to see anything when people like you heard the word *Quebec*.

Opposition bill would do away with industrial property-tax exemptions

Liberal MLA Gerry Lowe spearheads Assessment Act amendment

CBC News · Posted: Dec 12, 2018 5:03 PM AT 

A new Liberal bill seeks to have big industry, like the Irving Oil refinery, pay more property tax by lifting the exemptions for machinery and equipment. (Roger Cosman/CBC)

Liberal MLA Gerry Lowe has introduced a bill that would make industry pay higher property taxes, so that residents — people of Saint John in particular — might pay less.

His proposed amendment to the Assessment Act would repeal property-tax exemptions allowed for heavy machinery and equipment. The exemptions have hamstrung the City of Saint John financially for years, the city has said.

Saint John has the highest municipal tax rate in the province, at $1.785 per $100 of assessed value, but Lowe, a former councillor in the industrial city, said the legislation would "level the playing field."

"It's ridiculous what's going on," he told reporters Wednesday at the New Brunswick Legislature. "It hasn't been talked about for years and years, and everybody's ducked it for years, both governments."

If industry paid more property tax, the Saint John Harbour MLA believes, the city would have more revenue and could lower residential rates.

Liberal Gerry Lowe, the MLA for Saint John Harbour, is spearheading the amendment to the Assessment Act. His hope is that residential tax rates in Saint John can be lowered if industry pays more. (Brian Chisholm / CBC)

Although he said the bill wasn't a direct request from Saint John, Lowe has been among city officials and others who studied the issue and fought for fairer taxation in recent years.

The Irving Oil refinery in Saint John has been the focal point of the fight, since refineries are mostly machinery and equipment. Most machinery and equipment is exempt from property tax in New Brunswick, which is different from the rules in at least half the Canadian provinces.

A 2017 report from the city estimated residential property taxes could be cut by 33 to 48 per cent if the exemptions were lifted.

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Lowering the tax rate for residents is Lowe's focus, he said.

"If taxes go down, the people will move back to Saint John and things will get better," he said.

It would be up to city council to lower the residential property tax rate, and Lowe's bill would have to get through the legislature first. He said he's confident it will.

Third-party support

The Liberal bill has the support of the Green Party and the People's Alliance — enough votes to be passed in the minority government situation, where the Progressive Conservatives have the most seats.

Both Green Leader David Coon and Alliance Leader Kris Austin said Wednesday that their parties campaigned on the issue in the recent provincial election.

Green Party Leader David Coon, left, and People's Alliance Leader Kris Austin say they will support the Liberal bill, but amendments are expected. (James West/Canadian Press)

"It speaks to the need for a larger look into our whole property-tax system," Coon said, adding he's suggested a royal commission be initiated to address the system and other municipal issues.

Austin said he would support the bill, but it will likely need some amendments. His main concern is hurting small business.

"We don't want to tax industry out of the province," he said.

Lowe said he expects that the bill will be rewritten and that there will be discussion about the definition of heavy machinery and equipment.

With files from Jacques Poitras

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