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David Raymond Amos‏ @DavidRayAmos 

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Surprise Surprise Surprise

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https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/shale-gas-development-corridor-resources-sussex-1.4932777

Protesters crash MLAs' tour of shale gas fields

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David Amos

Methinks folks should read all the comments published within two other articles about fracking in Sussex yesterday N'esy Pas?

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/sussex-area-lsd-fracking-moratorium-1.4930621

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/people-alliance-shale-gas-fracking-vote-1.4931028

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David Amos

@David Amos Methinks its very strange that CBC would block links to their own articles N'esy Pas?

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Marguerite Deschamps

[should still be used as a guiding "principal"?] - Maybe the author meant to write "principle".

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Brad Little

@Marguerite Deschamps ^ This is the only intelligent thing that you will ever see for this poster. At least she can spell.

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Marguerite Deschamps

@Brad Little, I sure can... in both official languages! - And I could get jobs almost anywhere in the world.

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David Amos

@Brad Little I concur

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Marc Martin

@Marguerite Deschamps

In the end its all about bitterness and jealousy for a few government jobs, some people in here have tried for years but can only get a few votes.....

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David Amos

@Marc Martin Methinks I resemble that snide remark N'esy Pas?

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Marguerite Deschamps

Coming from you two dufeses; I take it as a compliment.

 

David Amos

Surprise Surprise Surprise

June Arnott

You really think your future generations will live in Sussex after fracking? This makes you ignorant of the facts.
Sussex is farming. Grow food!! Don’t poison your land! There will be limited work for people for these wells.
If you do this then the Stop The Spraying protest of your forests is useless.
Poison is poison. Be it fracking or spraying

David Amos

@June Arnott Methinks both of us are being ignored N'esy Pas?

 
Dwight Mullover

Dozens protested...dozens...not thousands. I'm not in favour of fracking either but why does the media give this coverage? The media has earned the name fake news by over dramatizing events like this and they do it to sway public opinion. Its sad really.

June Arnott

@Dwight Mullover thousands who don’t want it can’t make it because we have jobs.
Don’t think we accept this because we aren’t there

Jim Cyr

@June Arnott
Actually June, the working people are much more sane and conservative than the protesters (almost always leftist) who don't work, and have nothing better to do than than run around engaged in nonsense like this. It's always the same, small crowd............but boy, they sure do have friends in the media!

David Amos

@Jim Cyr "but boy, they sure do have friends in the media!"

Methinks Mr Higgs' buddies in the Irving Clan own more than their fair share of the media in this neck of the woods N'esy Pas?

 
Lou Bell

The leader of the Greens and Cathy Rogers were there and all they could round up for protesters was 2 or 3 dozen ! That's about the equivalent of the Green Partys base !

Marc Martin

@Lou Bell

You said this already....

David Amos

@Marc Martin Methinks you are always rather redundant as well N'esy Pas?

 

Marc Martin

@David Amos

Again another attack Davis ?

June Arnott

we Are Canadian. We work. We can’t protest the way the rest of the world does because we are brainwashed into docility. Fracking is wrong.
The money is not worth the environmental loss.
Believe this. Save your area. Stand up and say no.

Jim Redmond

@Lou Bell I have no issue with hydraulic fracturing. It has been taking place for several decades without problems. Now the wingnuts with nothing better to do need something to protest.

Nancy Alcox

@Jim Redmond you must get your news from the Irving papers...

David Amos

@Nancy Alcox Methinks he may also work for the Irving Clan just like so many others do either directly or indirectly N'esy Pas?

 
Jim Redmond

I would just drive straight ahead. They would have the choice whether or not to move off the road.

Colin Seeley

@Jim Redmond

And I would just lean on the horn and drive very slow and come round and round again .

Doltism.

David Amos

@Jim Redmond Methinks you two talk just like True Blue Conservatives N'esy Pas?

Lou Bell

Dozens ! How did the Greens get their whole base out ? Probably brought in some of the paid protesters from BC.

June Arnott

@Lou Bell like I said people work.

Marc Martin

@Lou Bell

Watching too much movies again ?

David Amos

@Marc Martin Methinks all the dislikes tell quite a tale about you. Perhaps you need some lessons on how to reply to peoplekind. FYI If you can't dream up a proper response don't try to be witty because you fail every time in that regard for obvious reasons N"esy Pas?

Marc Martin

@David Amos

Attacking me again Davis ? Are you going to call that poor provincial civil servant again?

David Amos

@Marc Martin No need I know the score

Grace Morris

There was one person there who was for it apparently.

David Amos

@Grace Morris Was that you?

Colin Seeley

I sure wish I had known about this .

How just how did CBC get wind of this ?

2019.

It’s coming.

Bob Smith

@Colin Seeley The protesters probably called the CBC before they headed off to demonstrate. Rogers and the Green party leader need to have their time with the media, after all.

David Amos

@Bob Smith I agree

 Jim Parsons

Snowflakes out and about....

David Amos

@Jim Parsons Tis the season

Brent McGillis

The true cost to the taxpayers, that last for 50yrs like in AB, is to remediate the toxic pollution.
Dry wells become Orphan wells as the Corporations will suddenly drain the bank accounts, close up shop while going bankrupt.
It is the Hellberta Way! As a Oil exploration company, you simply wrap things up and download the ENTIRE COSTS [100%] of any site clean-up and proper closing of the well straight on to taxpayers.
Alberta has been doing this for decades now. I used to work on the Orphan Well Program back when the PC's ran the Govt. It was an insider joke that the Oil Co's were paying for the clean-up. Because the program was starved by Oil Co's we had to wait for 100+ days to be paid. We were told the Govt needed to hide this work in the General revenues ledger and that was why it took so long for payment. Nobody cared, because everybody was "Juicing the Govt" so hard in their billing that the truckers, excavators, Crane operators and all the trades knew the AB Govt was good for the money.
If you do not believe me, read this link: https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/alberta-orphan-wells-1.4543559
The REAL REASON that investment money has FLED Alberta IS: Oil Companies are not now, nor have they EVER been even remotely interested in the cleanup costs incurred by the wells they drill. Donald Trump has ERASED all the protections in the U.S., that is where all the exploration money that used to go to AB has FLED to. This is WHY America is leading the world in exploration right now.
Be careful what you wish for, polluted ground water is forever. The entire prov of AB is one giant pollution pit, we cannot escape it. NB still has time to save their waterways, but do the people have the will to save their own land and water?
Not likely, Fake Facebook News runs the world now.

Marguerite Deschamps

@Brent McGillis, yup, laughing all the way to some offshore tax haven!

David Amos

@Marguerite Deschamps Methinks you should know why that is N'esy Pas?

Roland Godin

Chained gang employment is past centuries, we are in an era of mind over matter where as creative productivity can be accomplished from a home based and well structured community...et voilà.

David Amos

@Roland Godin Dream on

Dallas Mcquarrie

The ugly truth about fracking is that careful study of 10 years of birth records in Pennsylvania prove that premature and low birth weight babies are more common in fracking areas. So are congenital heart problems, birth defects, leukemia and other cancers among children and adults.
The suffering and health costs of fracking last a lifetime. Those who believe that allowing fracking is more important than protecting the health and welfare of people will not be disturbed by the fact that fracking means more deaths and illnesses, particularly among children and senior citizens. Those who say that human life is more important than anything else will oppose fracking.
And you can, as they say look it up! (https://concernedhealthny.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/Fracking_Science_Compendium_5FINAL.pdf )

David Amos

@Dallas Mcquarrie Methinks you must recall my sending you a link to a recording of the Corridor Shareholder's meeting in early 2005 and introducing your sneaky Green Party friends to my friend Janet Matheson N'esy Pas?

Barry Odonnell

@Dallas Mcquarrie Propaganda. Nothing more nothing less

David Amos

@Barry Odonnell Methinks it is all wicked propaganda.coming from greedy people sitting both sides of the fence and making a big score off of the rest of us N'esy Pas?

Arthur John

@Dallas Mcquarrie More twisted information. You consult real medical studies by real medical institutions rather than anti-shale doctors. You will find Pennsylvania has the largest reserves of anthracite coal in the US and this was used as fuel for power plants which we all know are terrible polluters.

Fred Brewer

@Arthur John
Are you seriously trying to discredit the Canadian Medical Association?
Wow.

David Amos

@Dallas Mcquarrie Methinks everybody knows how much you wrote about my friend Roger Richard and he assistance to the fracking protests in Kent County years ago and the the following investigation of the RCMP's actions. However as soon as Roger ran against your beloved French Lieutenant of the Green Party you people attacked him because the Green Party supports Smart Meters N'esy Pas?

Marc Martin

@David Amos

Stop badgering people with your non-sense Davis.

 
Craig O'Donnell

One can only hope that the politicians are able to clearly understand the education opportunity they've been given regarding the industry, and to digest the information provided them, rather than being swayed by the same old falsified rhetoric being spouted by the same old faces carrying the same old signs. Funny, lots of these folks just went from the last shale gas protests of 4 -5 years ago, to immediately start protesting the Energy East pipeline when it was a going concern. Should be ample proof that these people are against anything to do with fossil fuel energy, not just shale gas.
So.... where are all the devastating consequences and catastrophes that they kept saying were inevitable during the last 5 years, when fracking has continued unabated in both British Columbia and Alberta, where NDP governments hold power? The so-called upholders and protectors of the environment? Are we to believe that the leader of the Green Party in NB knows more about the issues than the governments of these 2 provinces? Are we to believe that the past Liberal government and a current few MLA's who would keep a provincial moratorium know more about the issue than those governments in areas that benefit from it and strongly regulate it?

Colin Seeley

@Craig O'Donnell

And where are all the rallies and protests in favour of fracking ?

Northrup please arrange and give a call.

Barry Odonnell

@Colin Seeley Unlike the professional protesters seen above, the pro frackers actually have jobs.

David Amos

@Barry Odonnell True

 
Colin Seeley

Amazing new words not allowed at CBC happening.

David Amos

@Colin Seeley Methinks you know as well as I why so many of mine are not allowed N'esy Pas?

 
Paul Bourgoin

At the end of the day who will be pocketing the profits? where will they be Banking the cash?
Sounds like what happened to the protected areas on Crown land!!

David Amos

@Paul Bourgoin Methinks obviously one of the big players will be the Irving Clan However byway of the latest news we have a new player as well N'esy Pas?

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/enbridge-gas-new-brunswick-sold-1.4932050

 
Colin Seeley

So why did CBC keep the protest a secret.

Riduculous place for DC and his new bestie Rogers to take 5 minutes out of their day.

There is poverty all over NB.

Surely they could be doing better than protesting potential jobs coming to NB.

Marc Martin

@Colin Seeley

Why do you think fracking will bring jobs to NB ?

Colin Seeley

@Marc Martin

Ever hear of Texas ?

How about Pennsylvania?

David Amos

@Colin Seeley Methinks you know that I have N'esy Pas?

Marc Martin

@Colin Seeley

I think you should google health issues due to fracking in those states...

Fred Brewer

@Colin Seeley
Why not Google actual job creation stats for fracking in those states?

And by that, I don't mean the hype that the Frackers spew before coming to your area. I mean the actual, long-term jobs created per wellpad. Hint, the number is very, very low and that labour is usually imported and does not go to locals.

David Amos

@Marc Martin Methinks you must recall the last time you Googled my lawsuit in Federal Court and opted to tease me about it N'esy Pas?

Paul Bourgoin

New Brunswick was once Canada's Picture Province before our Politicians traded it away for Political Funding!

David Amos

@Paul Bourgoin YUP

Colin Seeley

I have a new favourite song.

It’s about cold weather.

Love the lyrics.

Beautiful tune.

I’ll be playing it all day long.

David Amos

@Colin Seeley Who cares?

  

Marc Martin

Maybe they should have voted for a political party that does not promote fracking instead of going with their anti-French sentiment. Now live with your errors for 4 years.

Colin Seeley

@Marc Martin

It was anti duality re busses and ambulances.

Roland Godin

@Colin Seeley
And paramadics are understaffed and underpaid in the greater Toronto area, I will take the blame for that too..eh!

David Amos

@Marc Martin Methinks everybody knows that there are not many supporters of the SANB in the Sussex area N'esy Pas?

Marc Martin

@David Amos

Attacking again Davis ?

Marc Martin

@Colin Seeley

apparently these topics all top health issues..good job...

David Amos

@Marc Martin Methinks you have bassackwards as per your MO As usual I am replying to your malicious nonsense We must be fair N'esy Pas?

Marc Martin

@David Amos

You are not replying to anything, and its a direct attack on me again.

  

David Amos

@Marc Martin Now live with your errors for 4 years."

Methinks you know you are wrong as well as I You have teased me in the past about running as an Independent in Sussex Now you can live with your errors for 4 years N'esy Pas?

Pauline Donovan

Dozens? Hopefully CBC has a good medical plan so this reporter can buy some new glasses. Looks like about twenty people max at this protest.

Harold Benson

@Pauline Donovan A province wide referendum would tell you the true story

David Amos

@Pauline Donovan Methinks we fund the best of medical plans for all employees of the Crown N'esy Pas?

 

Tim Raworth

Its all a big fuss over nothing. Regardless if you are for or against, we missed the boat. Prices are to low to be economical and will stay that way for some time.

Harold Benson

@Tim Raworth So poison the groundwater just for spite?

David Amos

@Tim Raworth Methinks you should study the matter closer Perhaps you should read the other comments N'esy Pas?

  

Jake Newman

if a referendum was held and a majority voted to allow fracking; would the protesters and other left-wingers, other so-called environmentalists accept the results or would they still protest and oppose democracy?

David Amos

@Jake Newman YUP

 

David Stairs

I lived beside a natural gas well for 20 years (within a 1/4 mile)and I have never heard so much fear mongering ..wow...construe it to suit your needs folks...kill a chance for steady income..most in this province do not have a clue and only operate on what they are told as opposed to what they should read and experience..

Fred Brewer

@David Stairs
Maybe you were just lucky. Some wells don't start to leak for decades. That usually happens long after the frackers have abandoned the wells and gone home. Guess who gets stuck with the cleanup costs?

David Amos

@Fred Brewer "Guess who gets stuck with the cleanup costs?"

Methinks it is always Trudeau the Younger's beloved Peoplekind who get stuck with the bill not the corporations who done it N'esy Pas?

Marguerite Deschamps

@David Stairs, oh well, live near a gas well if it makes you feel well. As for me, hell no!

David Amos

@Marguerite Deschamps Methinks everybody knows that you made fun of my running against Bruce Northrup in Sussex so there is no need to change your tune now with a rather twisted reply N'esy Pas?

Marguerite Deschamps

@David Amos, don't be so touchy, mon p'tit chou. I was not even replying to you.

 
Mike Morton

Green Leader, the career politician and master of hyperboly.

David Amos

@Mike Morton I agree

 
Paul Bourgoin

When two adversary Political Parties have to hold hands in the Legislature to have Legislation passed does this not challenge the Legislative Lawmaking Procedures?

David Amos

@Paul Bourgoin Methinks it makes for a very entertaining Circus N'esy Pas?

Paul Kuster

The idea that utility scale wind and solar (Unreliables) can have any reasonable place in our energy mix is not residing in reality. If CO2 emissions are a concern, the conversion of the Belledune coal generating station can be converted to Nat Gas , cutting the emissions from that facility by 40 %. Now, you can import that gas from elsewhere, or produce it here as a made in New Brunswick solution. With those kind of emissions reductions, we could , as a province , meet the required targets and have no need for a carbon tax.

David Amos

@Paul Kuster Methinks you should explain how safe gas is to the folks who just evacuated the Centennial Building in Fat Fred City just now N'esy Pas?

Arthur John

@David Amos Come on David, accidents happen at home at work and driving down the road. You mitigate all the risks that face you to eliminate them N'esy Pas?

David Amos 

@Arthur John Methinks you are preaching to the choir when it comes to mitigating all the risks I will wager that you do not know of anyone else who gave 14 men his Durable Power of Attorney before he sued more lawyers than most folks can name N'esy Pas

 
Roland Godin

Whatever you choose please don't have me downsize my 4/3/2 wheelers to peddling a trécyclette, it would be really humiliating and I couldn't face my neighbors...eh!/voilà.

David Amos

@Roland Godin Methinks you have a hard time in that regard already N'esy Pas?

 
Roy Kirk

For those thinking that natural gas is going to be a lucrative play for NB, here's a link to summary US price data: https://www.eia.gov/dnav/ng/ng_pri_sum_dcu_nus_m.htm

Note that the US import price is roughly $2 per GJ. We might get slightly more at the border since continental transmission to the USNE is fairly expensive, but LNG import prices set a cap.

So how much of that $2 per GJ are we getting in royalties?

David Amos

@Roy Kirk Methinks you as well as I it is a lucrative play for certain companies companies operating in NB or they would not do it. The best interest of the public whom he calls clients that Mr Higgs purportedly serves are quite simply irrelevant just like the questionable royalties are N'esy Pas?

 
Robert Brannen

There are only ways of determining local approval for fracking: one, to hold plebicites; two, use the results of the poll by poll voting records of the recent elections, any polling district in which the PCs garnered 50+% of the vote when compared to the vote garnered by the combined Liberal, Green, PANB parties can go ahead with fracking, all others must abstain from fracking. There can be no fracking, nor horizontal drilling, beneath non-fracking polling districts from adjacent pro-fracking polling districts.

David Amos

@Robert Brannen Methinks everybody knows it is done deal Corridor will frack around Fundy because the Irving Clan and the now Algonquin dudes want the cheap gas Hence there is no way the Liberals or the Greens and all their protester cohorts can stop it now no thanks to Gerry Lowe and the PANB N'esy Pas?

 
Jim Joe Jackson

You would think after record floods in NB this year that people would get it.2 massive floods in Fredericton in 10 years. The 2020's are going to bring a lot of heartache. Ask insurance adjusters, farmers, fisherman, construction workers.....we don't need more fossil fuel development.

Bob Smith

@Jim Joe Jackson What does the annual spring floods have anything to do with fracking? Are you trying to link the two of them?

Jim Joe Jackson

@Bob Smith The spring floods this year were a new record. I am linking the increased extreme weather events to climate change. Fracking burns a lot of methane which is carbon on steroids when it comes to greenhouse gases.

Marguerite Deschamps

@Jim Joe Jackson, also unburned methane is a greenhouse gas much worse than CO2.

David Amos

@Marguerite Deschamps Methinks I should ask what do you think comes out of the back end of a cow? If we put a match to it we create CO2 and what is left of our Acadian Forest an Forest thrives on it and in returns gives us back Oxygen for us to breathe N'esy Pas?

Marguerite Deschamps

@David Amos, thanks but no thanks for the science lesson! You did not teach me anything I didn't already know this time. But hey, we can always learn something from somebody, anybody; even from you.

David Amos

@Marguerite Deschamps Methinks whereas you offer us so much BS during the course of a day perhaps you should strike a match for the benefit of out Acadian Forest N'esy Pas?

Rosco holt

@David Amos
The problem is that the province allowed more Acadian Forest to be clear cut with the crownland giveaway.

Marguerite Deschamps

@David Amos, it would be most dangerous to strike a match around you, for sure.

 
Jeff LeBlanc

Fraking eh! Git-er-done boys!

David Amos

@Jeff LeBlanc Methinks everybody around Fundy knows that Mr Higgs and the Boyz in Blue are real good at following orders N'esy Pas?

Jeff LeBlanc

@David Amos bit of an odd duck aren't ya?

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David Amos

@Jeff LeBlanc So says a Bay of Fundy Frog N'esy Pas?

David Amos

@Jeff LeBlanc Methinks you should know N'esy Pas?

Marguerite Deschamps

@Jeff LeBlanc, I know Dave doesn't like me, but you do need odd ducks like him to rattle the cage.

 
Colin Seeley

What’s important is the economy. We must not make ruels that diminish our competitiveness compared to our competitors.

We can’t go green at the expense of our economy.

David Amos

@Colin Seeley Methinks the Yankee President you no doubt adore loves the colour of the petrodollar N'esy Pas?

Roy Kirk

The unfortunate reality is that politicians and policy makers that keep pushing natural gas in NB acquired a cognitive lock-in during the 2005-2007 period, when prices were high, $5 to $10 per GJ. Having made up their minds at that time, new facts, like the current $2 price, don't matter to them. The same process causes human-involved accidents of all kinds. And what is a government but an accident in progress? ;-)

David Amos

@Roy Kirk Methinks its always a Circus N'esy Pas?

  

Robert Brannen

Those desiring a Provincewide plebiscite or referendum need only look to the recent election.
The Progressive Conservative Party was in favour of lifting the moratorium on fracking, the Liberals were in favour of maintaining the moratorium on fracking. The Green Party now appears to be in favour of maintaining the moratorium and the PANB now seems to be trying to straddle the fence.

With the September election it would appear that the issue was settled:

Votes for Anti-frack party (Liberal) - 143,791,
Votes for Pro-frack party (Progressive Conservative) - 121,300,
Total votes cast for parties with the fracking issue in their platform - 265,091.

Anti-frack carried, 54.2 % to 45.8 %.

Though not specifically expressed in their election platform, the Green Party has now revealed that it favours an Anti-frack stance so those voting Green tacitly supported the moratorium. An updated tally would add their 45,186 votes to the Anti-frack ledger.

After all is said and done we now have:

Votes for Anti-frack - 143,791+45,186 = 188,977,
Votes for Pro-frack - 121,300,
Total votes cast for parties with a definitive stance on the fracking issue: - 310,277.

Anti-frack carried, 60.9 % to 39.1 %.

David Amos

@Robert Brannen Methinks fracking was not an issue in the past election or there would have many protests N'esy Pas?

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David Raymond Amos‏ @DavidRayAmos 

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Methinks after watching folks laugh at me for 14 years I have the right to say that they deserve to represented by the likes of Higgs and Northrup N'esy Pas?

https://davidraymondamos3.blogspot.com/2018/12/nobody-asked-us-if-we-want-fracking.html


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https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/sussex-area-lsd-fracking-moratorium-1.4930621

Nobody asked us if we want fracking, Sussex LSD chair says

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David Amos

Methinks after watching folks laugh at me for 14 years I have the right to say that they deserve to represented by the likes of Higgs and Northrup N'esy Pas?

David Amos

@David Amos Go Figure

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/fundy-royal-riding-profile-1.3274276

 

David Amos

Methinks folks should read all the comments published within two articles about fracking in Sussex today N'esy Pas?

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/people-alliance-shale-gas-fracking-vote-1.4931028

 

Thomas Imber

Incorporated municipalities and rural communities have a real say in what goes on within their boundaries, so maybe this will be a good incentive for LSDs around the province to consider their options.

The funny thing is that some of the same people who are anti-fracking see no issue with pulp mills spewing pollution into the air and water every day.

David Amos

@Thomas Imber "Incorporated municipalities and rural communities have a real say in what goes on within their boundaries,"

Methinks thou doth jest too much N'esy Pas?

 

Scott McLaughlin

Sussex will become a boom town. The locals will all embrace the new industry. The rest of the tree-huggers in the province will be envious.

David Amos

@Scott McLaughlin Dream on

  

Roy Kirk

If it is going to be decided as a local matter, then perhaps the local communities should set and collect the resource royalty. That would be an interesting precedent to set.

David Amos

@Roy Kirk Methinks the amount of royalty should be discussed first N'esy Pas?

Arthur John

@David Amos Natural gas is being produced now and has been for years and royalties have been collected for years

Roy Kirk

@Arthur John Can you point to the line item in the public accounts that confirms your position? And what has been the royalty paid, in $ per GJ?

David Amos

@Arthur John Do you know the figure?

David Amos

@David Amos A fine lady by the name of Janet Matheson researched this stuff for years and tried to tell folks how little we were being paid in royalties and nobody seemed to care. I won't steal her thunder because it can still be found on the Internet if you takes the time to look for it.

  

Colin Seeley

“ So nobody asked us “ he says.

Really !!

But you do for sure know about it.

Better to organize and ask for a plebiscite and go from there.

Please make it snappy before we we get declared a failed province.

And what’s you plan for jobs ?

Dave Peters

@Arthur John Oil + other chemicals produce plastic. NG would power generators, produce steam, heat your home, cook your food, provide food processors with affordable energy. It could be a catalyst for new business's and industries in Sussex. In the grand scheme of things what could it hurt, really. NOT A FAN OF EXPORT OF THIS RESOURCE FOR SOMEONE ELSE TO PROFIT FROM.

David Amos

@Dave Peters You know as well as I the Irving Clan wants it for next to nothing

  

Arthur John

She'd rather see the province's financial resources go toward increasing the energy efficiency of homes so carbon-based energy wouldn't be in such high demand.

The provinces financial resources (of which 40% come from transfer payments from BC, Alberta, Saskatchewan where they frack oil and gas wells) does not go into Natural gas exploration. Trains of oil cars travel through New Brunswick are carrying oil produced from fracked wells in North Dakota and Saskatchewan.

I suggest if this lady wants to reduce her carbon footprint than she should move off her beef farm because meat production causes pollution through the use of fossil fuels, animal methane, effluent waste and land consumtion

Ian Smyth

@Arthur John yup, cattle livestock account for 14.5% of global ghg emissions.

Rosco holt

@Ian Smyth
How much ghg emissions do politicians spew?

Ian Smyth

@Rosco holt I don't know but definitely lots of hot air :p

David Amos

@Ian Smyth Methinks I know the source of the hot air N'esy Pas?

 

@Ian Smyth Methinks I know the source of the hot air N'esy Pas?

Ian Smyth

the only difference between fracking and the already existing and operating natural gas wells is that instead of pumping the gas out of a permeable media you increase the permeability of shale by fracturing it. These rocks are hundreds of meters below ground surface and it is impossible for fractures to propagate to our aquifers. For logistical purposes the only difference between conventional extraction and fracking is that there is waste water to deal with.

Rosco holt

@Ian Smyth
Waste water that companies keep the chemical recipe secret and are not willing to build a waste water treatment plant to dispose of it properly.

Roy Kirk

@Ian Smyth
Not the only difference.

Gas in a permeable medium must be overlain by an impermeable one in order to have been retained for exploitation rather than seeping out to the atmosphere over the ages.

Gas trapped in impermeable shale needs no such overlay in order to have been retained to the current day. If the fracturing extends to the shale surface and no overlay is present, it is possible that the outcome will be quite different than in fracing traditional deposits.

The devil is in the details.

Ian Smyth

@Roy Kirk there is extensive exploration and mapping done on the shale deposits and fractures/faults, they wouldn't frack if there is a possibility of that happening.

Roy Kirk

@Ian Smyth If such evidence exists it should lain on the table and examined in a public and transparent manner so that it can be examined and tested prior to rendering a decision. And how do you know what "they" or any of us will do when faced with a decision to risk an action for profit?

Ronald Parker

@Ian Smyth there have been cases were concrete casing have failed so dont use the word impossible. Millions of liters of waste water at that.

Ian Smyth

@Ronald Parker the only difference in that case between fracking and the existing wells is there may be water contamination (which would be bad), the existing wells' casing could fail and cause contamination but they haven't.

I said it impossible for fractures to propagate to surface, leaking well casing and waste water are the two major issues with fracking, with natural gas production it is leaking well casing.

Ian Smyth

@Roy Kirk EIAs and feasibility studies are always public, feel free to take a look, Corridor resources Inc would be the proponent to look for. you can find all of their publicly released documents at sedar (dot) com

the general public understands next to nothing about geology so they don't bother to read these types of thing. Unless you've studied it you'll have a hard time digesting it.

Roy Kirk

@Ian Smyth So you are saying that "there is extensive exploration and mapping done on the shale deposits and fractures/faults" and that evidence is in the stuff put up in corridor's financial filings?, EIAs and feasibility studies? and I should just go find it?!

I take another view: That we've elected members and a government to do that type of work for us and present their conclusions in a coherent and convincing manner, with argument supported by evidence. So I ask: Where is such documentation?

Even the simple stuff isn't forthcoming, such as: What is the $ per GJ actually recd by NB for gas produced, net of any credits back to the companies involved. And when they can't (or won't) answer such simple questions in a clear and public manner, why should we 'just trust them' when it comes to the more obscure material?

Ian Smyth

@Roy Kirk you can make that argument about everything the government does, you are applying these high standards of transparency in a selective way.

your issue seems to be larger than the fracking issue alone.

Roy Kirk

@Ian Smyth No, I'm applying those high standards to the topic at hand. And I'm curious, Do you think the government and Corridor cannot meet such a standard of transparency and still maintain public acceptance of their activity? If so, why?

Ian Smyth

@Roy Kirk they are certainly possible but it is never done and possible not thought of? I don't know I'm not a public relations specialist.

do they consult the general public on use of salt to de-ice roads? salt contamination is widespread because of this, it has been shown that it can lead to increased mobility of heavy metals in the subsurface which is a significant issue, it can also contaminate shallow groundwater with salt.

This seems like it would be a much more digestible topic for the public to be consulted on but it isn't, why isn't it? I would guess because it never has been. I don't have an issue with what you are asking (absolute transparency) but to think that will be the roadblock that stops resource development doesn't seem likely based on current and past precedence.

David Amos

@Ian Smyth Methinks you and Northrup should have tried to debate me about this stuff during the last election N'esy Pas?

Fred Brewer

@Ian Smyth
"it is impossible for fractures to propagate to our aquifers"

This has been proved to be false. The pipe goes through the aquifer or through permeable soils that are connected to aquifers. The pipe seals are prone to leakage.

Roy Kirk

@Ian Smyth
You may not be a public relations specialist, but you're making a play right out their book -- changing the topic rather than addressing the issue. Salt on roads is not the issue. Evidence and argument as to the costs and benefits of gas fracing in Sussex and NB is the topic. Let them lay it out in cold, hard facts. 

The fact that they don't leads reasonable people to suspect that the benefits are not as much as they're claimed to be, and the risks may be higher than that to which they will admit.

I'm one of those people that has no problem with fracing if done properly and if we -- NBers -- are adequately compensated for the resource and risk. But a succession of governments has done little or nothing to establish those facts, leaving me, and many others, to conclude that the activity is, in fact, not in the public interest at current market prices. I could be convinced otherwise, but the fact that the proponents don't even make a reasonable attempt to do so is troubling

Gary Spencer

@Ian Smyth This is hardly a fair comparison, road salt is a public safety issue (lives are saved), fracking is a private profits issue (corporations profit). If road salt is not applied government phone ring off the hook from public complaints. If fracking is not performed how many in the public would complain?

  

SarahRose Werner

So much for the PC's claim that fracking has widespread support in the Sussex area.

Ian Smyth

@SarahRose Werner you can find any people within a population that are for and against things. I wouldn't take CBC finding three people that will publicly comment against fracking as an indicator of the entire area's feelings.

Thomas Imber

@SarahRose Werner Widespread support exists, no one said it needs every single person to support it.

Rosco holt

@Thomas Imber
Higgs needs to put it (referendum) the people in the Sussex area to show a clear support.

Fred Brewer

@Ian Smyth
"I wouldn't take CBC finding three people that will publicly comment against fracking as an indicator of the entire area's feelings."

I agree. To find more people who are against fracking one only needs to do some Google research. Try searching for "Fracking nightmare in Penobsquis".

Fred Brewer

@Thomas Imber
"Widespread support exists,"

Proof please. (cue the crickets)

David Amos

@Ian Smyth "I wouldn't take CBC finding three people that will publicly comment against fracking as an indicator of the entire area's feelings."

Methinks Corridor Resources, Mr Higgs and definitely Bruce Northrup know why i share this story which appeared in the Kings County Record a local newsrag owned by the Irving Clan on June 22, 2004 I definitely mentioned natural gas then N'esy Pas?

The Unconventional Candidate
By Gisele McKnight

"FUNDY—He has a pack of cigarettes in his shirt pocket, a chain on his wallet, a beard at least a foot long, 60 motorcycles and a cell phone that rings to the tune of "Yankee Doodle."

Meet the latest addition to the Fundy ballot—David Amos. The independent candidate lives in Milton, Massachusetts with his wife and two children, but his place of residence does not stop him from running for office in Canada."

"Amos, 52, is running for political office because of his dissatisfaction with politicians. "I've become aware of much corruption involving our two countries," he said. "The only way to fix corruption is in the political forum."

"What he's fighting for is the discussion of issues – tainted blood, the exploitation of the Maritimes' gas and oil reserves and NAFTA, to name a few.

"The political issues in the Maritimes involve the three Fs – fishing, farming and forestry, but they forget foreign issues," he said. "I'm death on NAFTA, the back room deals and free trade. I say chuck it (NAFTA) out the window

NAFTA is the North American Free Trade Agreement which allows an easier flow of goods between Canada, the United States and Mexico

  

Douglas James

What is most disappointing is that with all the problems this province faces, Higgs decided it would be a good time to revive the already dismissed fracking option. All the time that his government will have to spend on this matter is time that could be better spent fixing everything the previous Liberal and Conservatives governments broke i.e. the healthcare and education systems.

David Amos

@Douglas James Methinks if you wish to recall Higgs and Northrup pounding on this drum all summer long hence this should be no surprise N'esy Pas?

Protesters crash MLAs' tour of shale gas fields

People’s Alliance leader suggests referendum as possible way to determine social licence

CBC News · Posted: Dec 04, 2018 10:21 PM AT

Shale protesters lined the road to shale gas fields near Penobsquis on Tuesday while MLAs were given a tour of the facilities. (Pierre Fournier/CBC)

Corridor Resources invited New Brunswick MLAs to tour shale gas fields in the Sussex area on Tuesday, but they were greeted by some unexpected guests.

Dozens of demonstrators lined the road in Penobsquis, holding signs and banners protesting the Progressive Conservative government's plan for shale gas development in the area.

With lawmakers present, many rural residents took the chance to make their voices heard.

"I wish Mr. Higgs would be a little bit more forward thinking instead of going backward, because the oil and gas industry is going backward, that's what's happening," said Carol Ring.

"The future is renewable energy."

Protesters took the opportunity Tuesday with MLAs in the area to make their voices heard. (Pierre Fournier/CBC)

The tour concluded with a presentation in Sussex, where demonstrators were able to get some facetime with the MLAs, including Kris Austin. The People's Alliance leader was criticized by a crowd of people for his NIMBY-ism shown toward fracking.

The Alliance MLAs say they have hesitations about allowing it in their own ridings and could vote against it. But they say they will not try to stop fracking in ridings they don't represent.

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"It's provincial legislation. If it's good enough here, it should be good enough everywhere," one individual told Austin. "You shouldn't be lifting a ban just on one region and putting us in the middle of it like this."

People's Alliance Leader Kris Austin speaks with shale gas protesters in Sussex on Tuesday. (Pierre Fournier/CBC)

Austin replied: "Well, again, that's why I stress local residents should talk to their local MLA to express those concerns."

He suggested a referendum might be the best way to determine if the government has the social licence, or community approval, to permit fracking.

The PC throne speech passed by the legislature last Friday included a sub-amendment that exempts "communities in and around the town of Sussex" from a shale gas moratorium. The precise area around Sussex wasn't identified.

Residents divided

The crowd that gathered Tuesday wasn't solely anti-fracking. There are residents who see shale gas development as a way to improve the local economy.

"I feel that in these rural areas, if we don't find work, there's not gonna be nothing, and I don't want to live in a big city," said Stewart Duncan.

"I love living in a rural community so my feeling is that if we could move forward with this, the surrounding areas would benefit from this, like our hospitals, our schools, education and money from this is actually what pays for these places to be open."

We're in a climate crisis and we can't be increasing the production of fossil fuels anymore.- Green Leader David Coon

Others are more skeptical about the economic benefits.

"We're saying if you follow the science you'll know that this cannot be done safely, and it's really questionable that there are any real employment or economic benefits to fracking, so what's the point?" said Roy Ries.

It appears the minds of the MLAs won't be changing as a result of the tour.

"All of the serious risks of fracking and shale gas development remain," said Green Party Leader David Coon.

Green Leader David Coon, right, and Green MLA Megan Mitton won't be changing their stance on fracking after Tuesday's tour of gas fields. (Pierre Fournier/CBC)

"We're in a climate crisis and we can't be increasing the production of fossil fuels anymore."
Liberal MLA Cathy Rogers says the current moratorium imposed by the former Gallant government should still be used as a guiding principal when in comes to shale gas development. It has five conditions that must be met before fracking can go ahead.

They are: social licence to extract shale gas; reliable data on health; environmental and water impacts; a plan to dispose of wastewater; proper Indigenous consultations; and a proper structure for the province to collect royalty payments.

 "We are not at that point," said Rogers.

With files from Tori Weldon

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Nobody asked us if we want fracking, Sussex LSD chair says

PCs accused of sacrificing Sussex-area communities for 'a few pieces of silver'

Tori Weldon · CBC News · Posted: Dec 04, 2018 6:30 AM AT 

When it comes to government's move to lift the shale gas moratorium, Gordon Kierstead, chair of the local service district of Sussex, said local communities shouldn't be sacrificed for a few pieces of silver. (Tori Weldon/CBC)

Some people in communities surrounding the town of Sussex are hoping the province slows down and asks the people who will be affected by fracking if they want it.

On Friday, the throne speech passed by the legislature included a sub-amendment that exempts "communities in and around the town of Sussex" from a shale gas moratorium. The precise area around Sussex wasn't identified.

The province hopes a cabinet order will happen in the next few weeks to make the amendment official.
Gordon Kierstead of Ward's Creek, chair of the local service district in Sussex, said no one has come to him to ask if the roughly 2,600 residents in the area support fracking.

"There's been no town halls," said Kierstead. "There's been meetings, no nothing to determine if there is a social licence or a willingness."

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Kierstead said it's easy for politicians to say they have community support, but he questions where the support is coming from.

"For a few pieces of silver, they're willing to sacrifice the surrounding area."

Energy and Resource Development Minister Mike Holland has said the government will make sure there's a "means and mechanism" for consulting people in the Sussex area before accepting people want fracking there.

Premier Blaine Higgs said in August that he'd measure support for development by listening to municipal councils, then let the consultations "spread out" to surrounding local service districts through open meetings.

On Friday, Higgs said passage of shale-gas language in the throne speech was a green light for a localized lifting of the fracking moratorium in Sussex-area communities that have demonstrated support for it. 

Needs more consultation

Kierstead is concerned the government will rely on the opinions of business and municipal leaders in Sussex, who he said are not in a position to make decisions for surrounding rural communities.

He pointed to a dust-up back in 2011, when Ralph Carr, the mayor of Sussex at the time, denounced a seismic surveying company for sending exploration trucks inside town limits without municipal approval.

Carr's stern reaction was reinforced by many councillors, with the mayor explaining that some people in his community are wary of the shale gas industry.

Stephanie Coburn, who lives on a beef farm in Head of Mill Stream, said it would be the 'thin edge of the wedge,' if fracking resumed in Penobsquis. (Tori Weldon/CBC)

Kierstead said it is frustrating to be the one area in the province where the moratorium could be lifted by 2019.

"There needs to be a lot more consultation. I mean they're rushing this through and they don't want to listen."

Twenty-five kilometres north of Sussex, Stephanie Coburn was disappointed by the proposed lifting of the moratorium in and around Sussex, and questioned if more communities will follow.

"I really feel this is the thin edge of the wedge, if they can frack in Penobsquis again," said Coburn, who lives on a beef farm in Head of Mill Stream.

Favours referendum for province

In 1999, natural gas wells were installed in Penobsquis, 14 kilometres west of Sussex, where they are still being met with a mixed reaction.

Bruce Northrup, the MLA for Sussex-Fundy-St. Martins, has said the community supports a resumption of drilling.

Coburn said she would favour a referendum but not just for Sussex and surrounding communities. She'd like to see the question put to the entire province because there is a larger question at play.

"Do we want to be taking carbon-based product out of the ground and burning it and increasing our carbon footprint?"

She'd rather see the province's financial resources go toward increasing the energy efficiency of homes so carbon-based energy wouldn't be in such high demand.

Coburn would also rather her own energy be spent elsewhere.

"I am 71 years old," she said. "I would love to be home playing with my grandchild instead of talking about fracking again."

Corrections

• An earlier version of this story suggested the government would not consult people in Sussex-area communities about fracking. In fact, Energy and Resource Development Minister Mike Holland has promised a "means and mechanism" for determining whether local people do support fracking.
  Dec 04, 2018 10:47 AM AT

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